WEBVTT - Listener Mail: The Rhythm is Below Me 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.360 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:11.000 Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.960 Listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.000 and it's Monday. That's the day of the week. We 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.439 read back messages from the mail bag stuff you have 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.759 sent in to our account, which, if you'd like to 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.280 get in touch, is contact at stuff to Blow your 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:28.680 Mind dot com. You can write in for any reason, 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.520 if you've got feedback on a recent episode, if you 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.519 want to share something interesting, if you just want to 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.239 say hello, any of that's fair game. Email us at 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:40.880 contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Let's 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.400 see here, Rob, would you like to kick us off 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.800 with this message about the Monster Fact? Sure? This one 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:54.600 comes to us from Tim. Tim says, Hi, Stuff to 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.560 Blow your Mind team. I love the podcast, and I'm 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:01.440 particularly excited for the Monster Fact episodes featuring Warhammer forty 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.560 thousand or Warhammer forty k I've never been into the games, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.840 but the lore of that realm is creepy cool and 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.399 fascinatingly weird, so I can't wait to hear more. And 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.679 then Tim goes on and says, when you make multi 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.560 part episodes. I'm always especially keen to listen to them 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.360 because you guys get really deep into the topic. I've 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.440 often heard about the concepts before, so a shorter, shallow 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.200 we're handling would just be rehashing. I let them stack 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.400 before listening to them all though, So if the name 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.080 could include part X of Y or part X slash, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.240 why that would help my arrangement of listening time so 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.520 I can fully engage with the topic rather than being 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.959 left unsatisfied having jumped into a two parter only to 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.800 find out that there's a third part teasing my brain 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.640 with incompleteness if possible, practical Please and thank you. Keep 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.560 up the great work you make my monotonous hours at 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.600 a lab bench at work far more interesting. Regards Kim, 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.480 Thank you Tim. I'd say if we could do that 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.600 with the episode numbering, we it, but we don't always 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.640 know how many parts we're gonna do when we start 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.560 a series, so sometimes we'll think that it's gonna be 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.760 two parts, but then you know we're recording part two. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.720 We realized we've got a lot more stuff that we've 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.720 turned up and we'd like to get into, so it 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.880 ends up going to three. Uh So, yeah, but by 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.920 the time we published the first part, we don't always 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.680 know how deep we're gonna go. I guess I could 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:25.120 go in and add part X of Y to a description, 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.520 if not the title, then certainly the description after the fact, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:33.080 like once we've completed a particular journey. Um, I hadn't 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.919 really thought to do that before, but I don't think 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.200 there's any practical reason why I couldn't do that, and 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.160 certainly why we couldn't do that when we re air 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.760 those episodes the following year. So yeah, there might there 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.280 might be some things we can do, but yeah, most 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.239 of the time, we just we do not know that's 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.600 gonna be. Sometimes we think it's gonna be one episode 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.519 and then it becomes three. Hey. Though, on the other hand, 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.760 to bring up something that we mentioned in last week's 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.560 listener mail, UH, tim you you know, you listen to 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.400 the show at your own pace. You listen whenever you 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.080 want to. That's all up to you. But we have 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.720 been told by people here at the company that there 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.880 are some cases where UH listeners may be affected by 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.639 waiting to catch up on episodes. That like some platforms 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:18.640 such as Apple Podcast may stop downloading episodes of our 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.600 show into your feed, even if you're subscribed, if you 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.840 haven't consumed the most recent x number of episodes, it 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.800 might be like five episodes or something, And so this 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.240 apparently sometimes affects numbers if people are waiting to catch 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.600 up or letting episodes stack up before they binge them. Obviously, 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.360 if that's the way you want to listen, that's fine. 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.160 But if you do want to help the show out 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.440 and make sure that nothing like that happens to you, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.920 and uh, you know you're you're always getting new shows 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.760 of ours in your feed. It is apparently helpful for 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.920 you to be current on the show. So if you 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.680 want to help us out and help yourself out to 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.480 make sure you're always getting new stuff, that's the thing 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.360 you can do. Absolutely And uh and Tim, thanks for 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.360 the kind words on the Monster Fact episodes. Uh yeah, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.280 I'm gonna keep I did a three partner on the 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:03.120 Tyra Aids of Warhammer and uh yeah, I heard some 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.960 nice things from some folks, so I might return to 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:11.760 the Warhammer World for future Monster episodes after skipping around 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.760 back into mythology and folklore and so forth. All right, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.320 what's that I hear, Joe? It sounds like sleigh bells. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.839 Oh yeah, we got a straggler from the holidays that 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.599 this always happens when it's like February and we're still 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.320 getting episodes related to uh, just sort of a Christmas 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.480 time or whatever, which you know, we're always getting feedback 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.080 about stuff that came out a couple of months ago, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.960 but it's just especially funny when it's Christmas themed. Well, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.720 this time it has to do with eggnog, and in 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.599 a way it's fitting because, as we discussed in the 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.800 Eggnog episode, egg based alcoholic beverages used to be consumed 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.360 just year round. That's right, yet to protect you from 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.520 the fog drafts while you're walking to work in the 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.080 morning or setting out a long journey from an inn 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:59.000 in Maryland. So anyway, this is from Bianca. Bianca says, Hi, guys, 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.720 I'm a bit behind my podcast listening. I just listen 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.800 to your eggnog episode and was quite surprised when you 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.800 mentioned that eggnog is considered a drink for everybody in 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.640 the US. I live in Austria, and I would say 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.680 that here it is mostly thought of as an alcoholic drink. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.000 I've never encountered a non alcoholic version in the stores. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.520 Although I'm sure it exists, I thought it interesting considering 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.440 you mentioned that in the early days of eggnog, it 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.360 was also thought of as an alcoholic drink first and foremost. Yeah, 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.560 the the earliest references to eggnoga seemed to be exclusively 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.679 references to a hard, boozy drink, not not something that's 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.440 uh sold in cartons and given to children. Bianca says, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.760 Although I am no expert, I would guess it has 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.040 at least partially to do with the German name for eggnog, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:47.440 which is ier liquor. I think that means egg liquor. Uh. 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.680 The liquor part literally translates to liquor in English. The 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.440 alcohol is therefore already in the name, but I suppose 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.520 that's not the whole story. Also, people seem to have 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.920 an ambivalent opinion about eggnog. I do not drink out 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.320 the hall of myself, but I recall many people telling 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.520 me they do not like it, and people seem to 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.640 buy it in heaps when it's Christmas time, so there 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:08.960 must be something to it. I guess. Keep doing what 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.200 you're doing. Really enjoy listening to your show. Greetings from Austria. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.400 Bianca well, um, I know, as a as a grown up, 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.600 when you have a glass of eggnog that is also spiked. Um. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.000 It is often my experience that I will have this 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.920 beverage and I will find it lovely, but afterwards there's 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.880 almost a sense of shame for having consumed it because 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.320 you realize, oh wow, that was that was rich, that 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.440 was a lot, and I probably shouldn't have another glass 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.440 of that this year. It's just a nice, boozy mug 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:44.400 of melted ice cream. It's great, But I mean maybe 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.719 that has something to do with people being ambivalent about it. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.599 And then I don't know, you know, it's easy to 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.000 be ambivalent about anything that's tied up. And they just 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.280 the the over celebration of the holidays um in many 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.080 parts of the U. S And the Western world. So uh, 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.040 you know, everyone's going to have their own opinion of 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.960 the matter. Okay, we got a message about our episodes 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.240 on the reptiles of the Galapagos. This is from Sean. 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.640 Sean says, hey, guys, I'm an archaeologist in New York State. 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.360 I just listened to the Galapagos reptile episodes. I was 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.600 struck by the urine intensive nesting I remember this was 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.280 in the section about the nesting habits of the Galapagos tortoises, 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.360 where they would when when one of the females would 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.640 come and lay a clutch of eggs, um, I don't 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.040 know if clutch is the right word, lay late some 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.680 number of eggs in the sand. They would like dig 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.760 out a hole and then lay the eggs and then 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.280 bury it and pe on it and use the urine 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.120 to form a kind of cement there So, Sean says, 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.720 I was struck by the urine intensive nesting. It reminded 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.520 me of the North American pack rat, whose burrows are 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.880 lined with urine to make almost a natural cement fall 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:04.000 soul burrows are handy for archaeology little time capsules. Maybe 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.720 you've done a show on these guys already, but if not, 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.440 might be interesting. Love the show, Sean, Sean, I think 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.960 that is a fantastic idea. The pack rat is a 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:17.240 really weird and interesting animal when you look at their middens. Yeah, Rob, 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:18.920 I don't know how much you've read about these guys. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.480 With these little rats, so they'll often make nests in 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.640 like caves or crevices. But then I think they can 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:30.679 also find similar kinds of wedge like spaces in human 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.679 built structures, and they will just fill them up with these, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.080 uh you know, with just junk, all different kinds of 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.880 things they find from the environment, packing them in and 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.800 then peeing on them to form a kind of cement. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.120 I think like the sugars and other kind of chemicals 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.440 in the urine helped crystallize all the stuff together. And 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.679 it's like a it's it's like a p made skyscraper 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:57.520 in like a wedge in a rock. Yeah. I vaguely 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.240 remember researching something about them that I can't rememb number 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.880 if it was for a text based piece or for 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.160 a past episode of the show. At any rate, it's 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.880 it's it's certainly something that would be fun to explore 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:20.440 or re explore on the podcast. All right, here is 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.480 one that comes to us from Rusty in response to 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.720 our episode or episodes on animals and then ultimately humans 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.320 throwing things, Rusty says Robert and Joe. Thanks for all 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.960 your work on the pod. Wide selection of interesting topics 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.600 is appreciated as a lover of all things to do 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.320 with evolutionary biology. I enjoyed the series on animals throwing 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.920 things as I'm sure many other listeners are also animal lovers. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.720 I thought i'd share with them my personal favorite example 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.880 of creatures tossing things around. Part of courtship among two 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:55.400 cans can involve an adorable game of catch. A gift 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.480 of a small barrier nut will be offered, sometimes being 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.080 passed back and forth multiple old times. In some species, 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.280 this can escalate into whipping their enormous beaks around to 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.640 catapult the object toward the potential mate from a distance. 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.400 Presumably the repeated throwing and catching acts as a fitness 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:18.840 test for eyebeak coordination and fine motor control. Thanks again, Rusty. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.000 I will point out rob we we usually don't include 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.320 last names when people say them, but this is obviously 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.800 a pseudonym, because this listener wrote in under the name 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.439 Rusty Shackleford, which is the fake name that Dale Gripple 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:35.359 always gives him King of the Hill. Oh okay, I 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.720 I didn't realize that. I don't think I've ever watched 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.280 too much King of the Hill, so I didn't catch 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.360 the reference. Oh it's great. Dale Gribble is the the 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:48.480 lovable paranoid sovereign citizen stry and so anytime somebody uh 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.120 in any official capacity asks his name, he gives a 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.440 fake one, and it's usually Rusty Shackleford. Okay, okay, I 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.839 know which character you're talking about. Yeah, well this is 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.280 a great example though involving two cans um too. Ends 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.959 have a lot of personality, so I enjoy watching them 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.400 whenever I have the chance. Usually it's you know, obviously 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.840 a a captive environment, but I have gotten to see 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.240 them in the wild on occasion, and uh yeah, amazing birds. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.640 I had no idea about this throwing thing. I'm gonna 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.920 have to look this up, so thank you, Rusty. Alright, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.640 this next message is from Scott. It's about our episodes 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:29.120 on Horror Vakaway or Fear of the Void. Scott writes, 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.720 at the end of your last episode on Horror Vakaway, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.640 you mentioned that there are several possible meanings of nothing 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.240 which need to be distinguished, and that confusions might result 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.000 from not doing this. This perked my ears because it's 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.480 a common example of what in philosophy has has become 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:48.480 known as contextualism, the idea that the meaning of many 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.960 terms depends on their context, though often they can be 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.880 rigorously defined given that context. For example, the box is 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.960 empty may mean one thing if said in a class 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.920 discussing quantum physics, another in a physics lab attaching a 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.040 vacuum hose to the box, a third to a child 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.040 shaking a decorated cube under a Christmas tree. Furthermore, the 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:15.120 phrase this room is clean may mean one thing, from 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.240 a child to a parent after wiping up some spilled sugar, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.720 another to a maid speaking to a house owner, and 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.800 a third to a manager of semiconductor factory. It's not 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.000 just that the word has metaphorical meanings which don't apply 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.920 across all contexts, like an FBI agent speaking of a 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.800 filthy bathroom where alas no drugs were found, but that 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.160 the word can in some sense mean the same thing 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.760 in each context devoid of something. But how clean or 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.960 empty it must be depends on the context. Another common 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.840 application is to the word knowledge. I know it is 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.680 safe to do X has one set of standards when 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.440 playing a game or a little as at stake. Another 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.400 wind spoke and in the control room of a nuclear reactor, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.920 and a third one said in a philosophy class discussing 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:10.720 Cartesian skepticism. Scott, Yeah, I think that's a great point. Scott, Yeah, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.800 so I think nothing would be subject to contextualism in 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.640 these different kinds of discussions, Like so a box that 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.200 you know, you might say that there's nothing in a 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.679 box when actually it's just full of atmosphere, or you 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.600 might sort of meaning the same thing, but just applying 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.720 a higher level of rigor, say there's nothing in a 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.800 box when it is fully evacuated of of atmosphere and 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.040 just just a vacuum inside. I mean, assuming that we're 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.959 possible again, when you're talking about a vacuum inside a container, 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.240 it's always just lower and lower gas pressure. But then 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.960 you would also have another level of like there's nothing 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.520 in a box, meaning there's not even space in there. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.160 And in that case, I don't even know what that 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.360 would mean. Maybe that's an oxymoron or not an oxymoron, 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:57.000 I don't know, an incoherent claim. But I also think 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.200 this last example you use about knowledge is a right 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.280 one that like you can use the word no to 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.880 mean totally different things in different contexts, even are not 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.040 totally different things, but just having different levels of rigor 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:13.440 for what counts as knowledge, and people leverage exactly this 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:18.160 equivocation in arguments and conversations all the time. This is 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.280 a major type of argument by equivocation. Of course, equivocation 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.120 is using the same word two different ways in two 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.360 different steps of your argument. So you can basically try 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:33.440 to undermine or refute anything anybody believes by just saying like, well, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.360 do you really know that for sure? And of course 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.160 any reasonable person like if you pride them like that, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.040 we'll start admitting will like, no, I don't have a 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.000 hundred percent certainty on anything I think I believe, you know, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.880 that kind of Cartesian skepticism level of certainty, where like 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.800 you can only believe things that are a logical necessity. Uh, 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.360 And then you try to leverage that against them, just 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.480 believing something to be true, believing they have knowledge about 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.520 something the same way we have knowledge about all kinds 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.080 of things in our everyday lives. And that's that's really 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.200 a kind of illicit move because the level of certainty 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.760 that you need for everyday knowledge is a lot lower, 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.040 and yet it still justifies all all the normal knowledge 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.200 beliefs you have. You know, how do you know, like 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.880 anything you see in front of you is actually there? 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.560 I mean, there's no real reason to doubt that unless 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.160 you just put on a VR headset or something. Yeah, Well, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.840 you know, sometimes you just have a you have a 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.840 bad potato or bad bad stew or something. Right, there's 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:36.400 something wrong with your gruel. Yeah, what does it? There's 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.440 more gravy than grave about you. Yes, all right. Should 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:45.120 we do a couple related to Weird House Cinema? Sure? Yes. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:53.080 This one comes to us from Andrew. Andrew says, Hi, 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.560 guys love the show, etcetera, etcetera. I was a little 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.479 disappointed in the both of you when you were discussing 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:04.320 instance is in film of normally populated areas being depopulated 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.680 for effect, and neither of you mentioned the airport in 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:12.800 the one Solid Gold classic TV mini series The Langoliers. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.360 You can make it up to me by featuring the 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.600 legal Ears on Weird House Cinema. There's a character whose 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.320 personality is that he's hungry. There are meatballs that eat 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.320 the past. It's a no brainer for Weird House. Please 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.640 and thank you Andrew. There are meatballs that eat the past. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.720 That is. I think a literal description of the monsters 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.920 and the lango ears is that they are like c 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:41.280 g I hairy meatballs who fly around eating time. Now, 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.160 the weird thing is, I remember when this came out. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:48.320 I was getting out TV mini series, and it has, 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.240 at least looking back on it now, as a pretty 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.880 solid cast. You've got the likes of Frankie Faison and 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:57.040 Dean Stockwell and it David Morris Um and some others 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.640 of note um. But I never saw it. I read 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.520 the novella though, and I remember loving the novella, and 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.239 it came out one of those King collections of like 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.240 four novellas or something. I figure which one it was, 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.119 but I remember really digging the Langoliers. I totally pictured 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.879 the meatballs as the Critters from the Crits from the 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:20.440 Critters movies. I I don't think the the the the 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.560 original novella was very shy about this. It seemed like 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.919 they were just basically the crates. But I and I 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.040 remember enjoying it, it being kind of like this fun 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:33.359 Stephen King Twilight Zone episode sort of story. I don't 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.639 think I realized it was based on a novella, or 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.640 if I ever knew that, I had forgotten, I would 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.280 have assumed it was straight to TV. There was a 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.040 whole thing in the eighties through the nineties of this 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.280 vibe that was the TV adaptation of Stephen King. So 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.560 I'm not talking about Stephen King novels adapted into R 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.760 rated movies to go in the theater. But Stephen King 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.400 novels made as a multi as a like a mini 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.679 series to be on T and T or ABC or something. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.359 Uh didn't they? They did the Stand I think, and 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.240 they did the Langal Years and wasn't even it wasn't 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.200 the original it movie and made for TV mini series. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.919 He certainly was. Yeah, there was also Golden Years in 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.320 their Golden Years was like an original screenplay of Memory 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.199 Serves from Stephen King and was not finished. I remember 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.919 thinking it was amazing when it came out because I 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.919 was just really excited for Stephen King TV content, But 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.600 nobody else was excited about this. I don't think they 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.080 did one for Rose Red, uh that I think that 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:35.000 was into the two thousands. They did Let's see the 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.120 oh oh, the Shining not the one, not the Cooper one, 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.200 but the one that was quote more faithful to the book. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.080 That was a TV mini series, wasn't it with the 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.159 guy from Wings on it? Yeah? Yeah, that was the 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.080 guy from Wings, not wings Houser. That would have been different. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.760 Oh my god, you should have had wings Houser as 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:57.359 Jack Torrence. The acting question is Stephen Webber, who is 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.360 a fine actor. He's he's been in some things I've 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.119 really left. He's an one of my favorite episodes of 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:05.040 Tales from the Crypt titled Morning Mess or Morning Mess 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.959 about Google's eating people in the cemetery. Um. And I 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.200 think he was maybe kind of a favorite actor of 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.160 of Stephen Kings, or is a favorite actor Stephen Kings 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.080 because I remember Stephen King. Uh. There's a Stephen king 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:21.720 episode of the nineties Outer Limits series and I think 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.040 he played memory serves on this. He plays the voice 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.440 of and the picture in a picture frame that keeps 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.600 talking to this lady after she gets shot in the head. 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:37.520 It's a Christmas episode. Wait, no, I'm still thinking even more. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.640 Wasn't the Toby Hooper Salem's Lot adaptation actually a made 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.520 for TV mini series? I believe it was. Yeah, I 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:49.119 think that was. That was also not not a theatrical release. Um. 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.399 And Tommy Knocker was another. Oh my god, yes Tommy. 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.920 Now there were so many of them. Yeah, I mean 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.399 part of it's probably these are some some long books, 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.359 so if you can you start adapting them and then 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.800 you quickly realize I don't think this is the film, guys, 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:05.679 I think this is a mini series, and I'm sure 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.760 we're missing some prime examples as well. Yeah, I just 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.480 think that's so funny that, like a popular author noted 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.320 for very R rated grotesque ory, and the source material 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.119 it was so associated with made for TV content. Yeah. Like, 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.240 coming back to the line leers for example, it's a 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.800 TV mini series. It's two episodes, so, um, again, I 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.640 haven't seen it. I'm not even sure how long each 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.439 episode is. Off the top of my head, i'd have 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.040 to look at the and and I'm not I'm not 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:33.960 finding Oh here it is. It looks like each episode 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:35.560 is an hour and thirty minutes. So we're talking a 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:40.359 three hour movie here, which I guess nowadays especially people 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.119 were like, yeah, aren't all movies three hours? Um? That 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.480 seems like like how how long I spend in the 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.440 movie theater if I go to one, um, not counting 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.760 the commercials in the three and a half hours once 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.600 the trailers are in there. But you know, it's if 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.840 you're gonna tell the whole story, you're either gonna have 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:57.359 to know you're gonna have to cut it down, or 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.920 you're gonna have to figure out how you're gonna fit it, 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.480 and at the time, maybe they just didn't fit into 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.720 the movie theaters. I don't know. Maybe the argument could 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.280 be maybe the Lango Leaders is not something you want 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.840 to actually have in theaters. Maybe it is more ultimately 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.040 the tv um TV project. And certainly it's very Twilight 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:18.639 Zones and its styling, so maybe it makes sense. Do 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.119 do we have Peter Jackson to thank for that that? 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.240 Like it's just normal for movies to be three hours long? Now? 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.119 I don't know, Uh, that would be an interesting um 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.920 discussion to look at, you know, long films and especially 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.560 I guess key to what we're talking about here, long 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.480 major US releases as opposed to like long art films 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.480 and so forth. Mhm. So I don't know, open question 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:51.520 at least for for us. Okay, Rob, I think you've 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.600 got to do this one from Eric because it's on 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.600 the subject that I know is dear to your heart. 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:57.879