1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and it's Monday. That's the day of the week. We 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: read back messages from the mail bag stuff you have 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: sent in to our account, which, if you'd like to 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: get in touch, is contact at stuff to Blow your 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: Mind dot com. You can write in for any reason, 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: if you've got feedback on a recent episode, if you 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: want to share something interesting, if you just want to 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: say hello, any of that's fair game. Email us at 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Let's 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: see here, Rob, would you like to kick us off 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: with this message about the Monster Fact? Sure? This one 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: comes to us from Tim. Tim says, Hi, Stuff to 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Blow your Mind team. I love the podcast, and I'm 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: particularly excited for the Monster Fact episodes featuring Warhammer forty 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: thousand or Warhammer forty k I've never been into the games, 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: but the lore of that realm is creepy cool and 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: fascinatingly weird, so I can't wait to hear more. And 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: then Tim goes on and says, when you make multi 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: part episodes. I'm always especially keen to listen to them 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: because you guys get really deep into the topic. I've 24 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: often heard about the concepts before, so a shorter, shallow 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: we're handling would just be rehashing. I let them stack 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: before listening to them all though, So if the name 27 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: could include part X of Y or part X slash, 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: why that would help my arrangement of listening time so 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: I can fully engage with the topic rather than being 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: left unsatisfied having jumped into a two parter only to 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: find out that there's a third part teasing my brain 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: with incompleteness if possible, practical Please and thank you. Keep 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: up the great work you make my monotonous hours at 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: a lab bench at work far more interesting. Regards Kim, 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Thank you Tim. I'd say if we could do that 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: with the episode numbering, we it, but we don't always 37 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: know how many parts we're gonna do when we start 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: a series, so sometimes we'll think that it's gonna be 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: two parts, but then you know we're recording part two. 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: We realized we've got a lot more stuff that we've 41 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: turned up and we'd like to get into, so it 42 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: ends up going to three. Uh So, yeah, but by 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: the time we published the first part, we don't always 44 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: know how deep we're gonna go. I guess I could 45 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: go in and add part X of Y to a description, 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: if not the title, then certainly the description after the fact, 47 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: like once we've completed a particular journey. Um, I hadn't 48 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: really thought to do that before, but I don't think 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: there's any practical reason why I couldn't do that, and 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: certainly why we couldn't do that when we re air 51 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: those episodes the following year. So yeah, there might there 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: might be some things we can do, but yeah, most 53 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: of the time, we just we do not know that's 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: gonna be. Sometimes we think it's gonna be one episode 55 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: and then it becomes three. Hey. Though, on the other hand, 56 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: to bring up something that we mentioned in last week's 57 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: listener mail, UH, tim you you know, you listen to 58 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: the show at your own pace. You listen whenever you 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: want to. That's all up to you. But we have 60 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: been told by people here at the company that there 61 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: are some cases where UH listeners may be affected by 62 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: waiting to catch up on episodes. That like some platforms 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: such as Apple Podcast may stop downloading episodes of our 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: show into your feed, even if you're subscribed, if you 65 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: haven't consumed the most recent x number of episodes, it 66 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: might be like five episodes or something, And so this 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: apparently sometimes affects numbers if people are waiting to catch 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: up or letting episodes stack up before they binge them. Obviously, 69 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: if that's the way you want to listen, that's fine. 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: But if you do want to help the show out 71 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: and make sure that nothing like that happens to you, 72 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: and uh, you know you're you're always getting new shows 73 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: of ours in your feed. It is apparently helpful for 74 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: you to be current on the show. So if you 75 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: want to help us out and help yourself out to 76 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: make sure you're always getting new stuff, that's the thing 77 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: you can do. Absolutely And uh and Tim, thanks for 78 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: the kind words on the Monster Fact episodes. Uh yeah, 79 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep I did a three partner on the 80 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: Tyra Aids of Warhammer and uh yeah, I heard some 81 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: nice things from some folks, so I might return to 82 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: the Warhammer World for future Monster episodes after skipping around 83 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: back into mythology and folklore and so forth. All right, 84 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: what's that I hear, Joe? It sounds like sleigh bells. 85 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got a straggler from the holidays that 86 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: this always happens when it's like February and we're still 87 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: getting episodes related to uh, just sort of a Christmas 88 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: time or whatever, which you know, we're always getting feedback 89 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: about stuff that came out a couple of months ago, 90 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: but it's just especially funny when it's Christmas themed. Well, 91 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: this time it has to do with eggnog, and in 92 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: a way it's fitting because, as we discussed in the 93 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: Eggnog episode, egg based alcoholic beverages used to be consumed 94 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: just year round. That's right, yet to protect you from 95 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: the fog drafts while you're walking to work in the 96 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: morning or setting out a long journey from an inn 97 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: in Maryland. So anyway, this is from Bianca. Bianca says, Hi, guys, 98 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm a bit behind my podcast listening. I just listen 99 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: to your eggnog episode and was quite surprised when you 100 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: mentioned that eggnog is considered a drink for everybody in 101 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: the US. I live in Austria, and I would say 102 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: that here it is mostly thought of as an alcoholic drink. 103 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: I've never encountered a non alcoholic version in the stores. 104 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: Although I'm sure it exists, I thought it interesting considering 105 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned that in the early days of eggnog, it 106 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: was also thought of as an alcoholic drink first and foremost. Yeah, 107 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: the the earliest references to eggnoga seemed to be exclusively 108 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 1: references to a hard, boozy drink, not not something that's 109 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: uh sold in cartons and given to children. Bianca says, 110 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: Although I am no expert, I would guess it has 111 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: at least partially to do with the German name for eggnog, 112 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: which is ier liquor. I think that means egg liquor. Uh. 113 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: The liquor part literally translates to liquor in English. The 114 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: alcohol is therefore already in the name, but I suppose 115 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: that's not the whole story. Also, people seem to have 116 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: an ambivalent opinion about eggnog. I do not drink out 117 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: the hall of myself, but I recall many people telling 118 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: me they do not like it, and people seem to 119 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: buy it in heaps when it's Christmas time, so there 120 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: must be something to it. I guess. Keep doing what 121 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: you're doing. Really enjoy listening to your show. Greetings from Austria. 122 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: Bianca well, um, I know, as a as a grown up, 123 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: when you have a glass of eggnog that is also spiked. Um. 124 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: It is often my experience that I will have this 125 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: beverage and I will find it lovely, but afterwards there's 126 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: almost a sense of shame for having consumed it because 127 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: you realize, oh wow, that was that was rich, that 128 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: was a lot, and I probably shouldn't have another glass 129 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: of that this year. It's just a nice, boozy mug 130 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: of melted ice cream. It's great, But I mean maybe 131 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: that has something to do with people being ambivalent about it. 132 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: And then I don't know, you know, it's easy to 133 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: be ambivalent about anything that's tied up. And they just 134 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: the the over celebration of the holidays um in many 135 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: parts of the U. S And the Western world. So uh, 136 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, everyone's going to have their own opinion of 137 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: the matter. Okay, we got a message about our episodes 138 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: on the reptiles of the Galapagos. This is from Sean. 139 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: Sean says, hey, guys, I'm an archaeologist in New York State. 140 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: I just listened to the Galapagos reptile episodes. I was 141 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: struck by the urine intensive nesting I remember this was 142 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: in the section about the nesting habits of the Galapagos tortoises, 143 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: where they would when when one of the females would 144 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: come and lay a clutch of eggs, um, I don't 145 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: know if clutch is the right word, lay late some 146 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: number of eggs in the sand. They would like dig 147 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: out a hole and then lay the eggs and then 148 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: bury it and pe on it and use the urine 149 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: to form a kind of cement there So, Sean says, 150 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: I was struck by the urine intensive nesting. It reminded 151 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: me of the North American pack rat, whose burrows are 152 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: lined with urine to make almost a natural cement fall 153 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: soul burrows are handy for archaeology little time capsules. Maybe 154 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: you've done a show on these guys already, but if not, 155 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: might be interesting. Love the show, Sean, Sean, I think 156 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: that is a fantastic idea. The pack rat is a 157 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: really weird and interesting animal when you look at their middens. Yeah, Rob, 158 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've read about these guys. 159 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: With these little rats, so they'll often make nests in 160 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: like caves or crevices. But then I think they can 161 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 1: also find similar kinds of wedge like spaces in human 162 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: built structures, and they will just fill them up with these, 163 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: uh you know, with just junk, all different kinds of 164 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: things they find from the environment, packing them in and 165 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: then peeing on them to form a kind of cement. 166 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: I think like the sugars and other kind of chemicals 167 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: in the urine helped crystallize all the stuff together. And 168 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: it's like a it's it's like a p made skyscraper 169 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: in like a wedge in a rock. Yeah. I vaguely 170 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: remember researching something about them that I can't rememb number 171 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: if it was for a text based piece or for 172 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: a past episode of the show. At any rate, it's 173 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: it's it's certainly something that would be fun to explore 174 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: or re explore on the podcast. All right, here is 175 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: one that comes to us from Rusty in response to 176 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: our episode or episodes on animals and then ultimately humans 177 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: throwing things, Rusty says Robert and Joe. Thanks for all 178 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: your work on the pod. Wide selection of interesting topics 179 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: is appreciated as a lover of all things to do 180 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: with evolutionary biology. I enjoyed the series on animals throwing 181 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: things as I'm sure many other listeners are also animal lovers. 182 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: I thought i'd share with them my personal favorite example 183 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: of creatures tossing things around. Part of courtship among two 184 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: cans can involve an adorable game of catch. A gift 185 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: of a small barrier nut will be offered, sometimes being 186 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: passed back and forth multiple old times. In some species, 187 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: this can escalate into whipping their enormous beaks around to 188 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: catapult the object toward the potential mate from a distance. 189 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: Presumably the repeated throwing and catching acts as a fitness 190 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: test for eyebeak coordination and fine motor control. Thanks again, Rusty. 191 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: I will point out rob we we usually don't include 192 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: last names when people say them, but this is obviously 193 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: a pseudonym, because this listener wrote in under the name 194 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: Rusty Shackleford, which is the fake name that Dale Gripple 195 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,359 Speaker 1: always gives him King of the Hill. Oh okay, I 196 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. I don't think I've ever watched 197 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: too much King of the Hill, so I didn't catch 198 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: the reference. Oh it's great. Dale Gribble is the the 199 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: lovable paranoid sovereign citizen stry and so anytime somebody uh 200 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: in any official capacity asks his name, he gives a 201 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: fake one, and it's usually Rusty Shackleford. Okay, okay, I 202 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: know which character you're talking about. Yeah, well this is 203 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: a great example though involving two cans um too. Ends 204 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: have a lot of personality, so I enjoy watching them 205 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: whenever I have the chance. Usually it's you know, obviously 206 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: a a captive environment, but I have gotten to see 207 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: them in the wild on occasion, and uh yeah, amazing birds. 208 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: I had no idea about this throwing thing. I'm gonna 209 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: have to look this up, so thank you, Rusty. Alright, 210 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: this next message is from Scott. It's about our episodes 211 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: on Horror Vakaway or Fear of the Void. Scott writes, 212 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: at the end of your last episode on Horror Vakaway, 213 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: you mentioned that there are several possible meanings of nothing 214 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: which need to be distinguished, and that confusions might result 215 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: from not doing this. This perked my ears because it's 216 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: a common example of what in philosophy has has become 217 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: known as contextualism, the idea that the meaning of many 218 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: terms depends on their context, though often they can be 219 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: rigorously defined given that context. For example, the box is 220 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: empty may mean one thing if said in a class 221 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: discussing quantum physics, another in a physics lab attaching a 222 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: vacuum hose to the box, a third to a child 223 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: shaking a decorated cube under a Christmas tree. Furthermore, the 224 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: phrase this room is clean may mean one thing, from 225 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: a child to a parent after wiping up some spilled sugar, 226 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: another to a maid speaking to a house owner, and 227 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: a third to a manager of semiconductor factory. It's not 228 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: just that the word has metaphorical meanings which don't apply 229 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: across all contexts, like an FBI agent speaking of a 230 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: filthy bathroom where alas no drugs were found, but that 231 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: the word can in some sense mean the same thing 232 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: in each context devoid of something. But how clean or 233 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: empty it must be depends on the context. Another common 234 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: application is to the word knowledge. I know it is 235 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: safe to do X has one set of standards when 236 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: playing a game or a little as at stake. Another 237 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: wind spoke and in the control room of a nuclear reactor, 238 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: and a third one said in a philosophy class discussing 239 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: Cartesian skepticism. Scott, Yeah, I think that's a great point. Scott, Yeah, 240 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: so I think nothing would be subject to contextualism in 241 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: these different kinds of discussions, Like so a box that 242 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, you might say that there's nothing in a 243 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: box when actually it's just full of atmosphere, or you 244 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: might sort of meaning the same thing, but just applying 245 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: a higher level of rigor, say there's nothing in a 246 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: box when it is fully evacuated of of atmosphere and 247 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: just just a vacuum inside. I mean, assuming that we're 248 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: possible again, when you're talking about a vacuum inside a container, 249 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: it's always just lower and lower gas pressure. But then 250 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: you would also have another level of like there's nothing 251 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: in a box, meaning there's not even space in there. 252 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: And in that case, I don't even know what that 253 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: would mean. Maybe that's an oxymoron or not an oxymoron, 254 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, an incoherent claim. But I also think 255 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: this last example you use about knowledge is a right 256 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: one that like you can use the word no to 257 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: mean totally different things in different contexts, even are not 258 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: totally different things, but just having different levels of rigor 259 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: for what counts as knowledge, and people leverage exactly this 260 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: equivocation in arguments and conversations all the time. This is 261 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: a major type of argument by equivocation. Of course, equivocation 262 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: is using the same word two different ways in two 263 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: different steps of your argument. So you can basically try 264 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: to undermine or refute anything anybody believes by just saying like, well, 265 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: do you really know that for sure? And of course 266 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: any reasonable person like if you pride them like that, 267 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: we'll start admitting will like, no, I don't have a 268 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: hundred percent certainty on anything I think I believe, you know, 269 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: that kind of Cartesian skepticism level of certainty, where like 270 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: you can only believe things that are a logical necessity. Uh, 271 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: And then you try to leverage that against them, just 272 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: believing something to be true, believing they have knowledge about 273 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: something the same way we have knowledge about all kinds 274 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: of things in our everyday lives. And that's that's really 275 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: a kind of illicit move because the level of certainty 276 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: that you need for everyday knowledge is a lot lower, 277 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: and yet it still justifies all all the normal knowledge 278 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: beliefs you have. You know, how do you know, like 279 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: anything you see in front of you is actually there? 280 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no real reason to doubt that unless 281 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: you just put on a VR headset or something. Yeah, Well, 282 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you just have a you have a 283 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: bad potato or bad bad stew or something. Right, there's 284 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: something wrong with your gruel. Yeah, what does it? There's 285 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: more gravy than grave about you. Yes, all right. Should 286 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: we do a couple related to Weird House Cinema? Sure? Yes. 287 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: This one comes to us from Andrew. Andrew says, Hi, 288 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: guys love the show, etcetera, etcetera. I was a little 289 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,479 Speaker 1: disappointed in the both of you when you were discussing 290 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: instance is in film of normally populated areas being depopulated 291 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: for effect, and neither of you mentioned the airport in 292 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: the one Solid Gold classic TV mini series The Langoliers. 293 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: You can make it up to me by featuring the 294 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: legal Ears on Weird House Cinema. There's a character whose 295 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: personality is that he's hungry. There are meatballs that eat 296 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: the past. It's a no brainer for Weird House. Please 297 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: and thank you Andrew. There are meatballs that eat the past. 298 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: That is. I think a literal description of the monsters 299 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: and the lango ears is that they are like c 300 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: g I hairy meatballs who fly around eating time. Now, 301 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: the weird thing is, I remember when this came out. 302 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: I was getting out TV mini series, and it has, 303 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: at least looking back on it now, as a pretty 304 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: solid cast. You've got the likes of Frankie Faison and 305 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Dean Stockwell and it David Morris Um and some others 306 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: of note um. But I never saw it. I read 307 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: the novella though, and I remember loving the novella, and 308 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 1: it came out one of those King collections of like 309 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: four novellas or something. I figure which one it was, 310 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: but I remember really digging the Langoliers. I totally pictured 311 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: the meatballs as the Critters from the Crits from the 312 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: Critters movies. I I don't think the the the the 313 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: original novella was very shy about this. It seemed like 314 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: they were just basically the crates. But I and I 315 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: remember enjoying it, it being kind of like this fun 316 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: Stephen King Twilight Zone episode sort of story. I don't 317 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: think I realized it was based on a novella, or 318 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: if I ever knew that, I had forgotten, I would 319 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: have assumed it was straight to TV. There was a 320 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: whole thing in the eighties through the nineties of this 321 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: vibe that was the TV adaptation of Stephen King. So 322 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Stephen King novels adapted into R 323 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: rated movies to go in the theater. But Stephen King 324 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: novels made as a multi as a like a mini 325 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: series to be on T and T or ABC or something. 326 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: Uh didn't they? They did the Stand I think, and 327 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: they did the Langal Years and wasn't even it wasn't 328 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: the original it movie and made for TV mini series. 329 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: He certainly was. Yeah, there was also Golden Years in 330 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: their Golden Years was like an original screenplay of Memory 331 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: Serves from Stephen King and was not finished. I remember 332 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: thinking it was amazing when it came out because I 333 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: was just really excited for Stephen King TV content, But 334 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: nobody else was excited about this. I don't think they 335 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: did one for Rose Red, uh that I think that 336 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: was into the two thousands. They did Let's see the 337 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: oh oh, the Shining not the one, not the Cooper one, 338 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: but the one that was quote more faithful to the book. 339 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: That was a TV mini series, wasn't it with the 340 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: guy from Wings on it? Yeah? Yeah, that was the 341 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: guy from Wings, not wings Houser. That would have been different. 342 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you should have had wings Houser as 343 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: Jack Torrence. The acting question is Stephen Webber, who is 344 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: a fine actor. He's he's been in some things I've 345 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: really left. He's an one of my favorite episodes of 346 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: Tales from the Crypt titled Morning Mess or Morning Mess 347 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: about Google's eating people in the cemetery. Um. And I 348 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: think he was maybe kind of a favorite actor of 349 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: of Stephen Kings, or is a favorite actor Stephen Kings 350 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: because I remember Stephen King. Uh. There's a Stephen king 351 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: episode of the nineties Outer Limits series and I think 352 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: he played memory serves on this. He plays the voice 353 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: of and the picture in a picture frame that keeps 354 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: talking to this lady after she gets shot in the head. 355 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: It's a Christmas episode. Wait, no, I'm still thinking even more. 356 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: Wasn't the Toby Hooper Salem's Lot adaptation actually a made 357 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: for TV mini series? I believe it was. Yeah, I 358 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: think that was. That was also not not a theatrical release. Um. 359 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: And Tommy Knocker was another. Oh my god, yes Tommy. 360 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: Now there were so many of them. Yeah, I mean 361 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: part of it's probably these are some some long books, 362 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: so if you can you start adapting them and then 363 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: you quickly realize I don't think this is the film, guys, 364 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: I think this is a mini series, and I'm sure 365 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: we're missing some prime examples as well. Yeah, I just 366 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: think that's so funny that, like a popular author noted 367 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: for very R rated grotesque ory, and the source material 368 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: it was so associated with made for TV content. Yeah. Like, 369 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: coming back to the line leers for example, it's a 370 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: TV mini series. It's two episodes, so, um, again, I 371 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I'm not even sure how long each 372 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: episode is. Off the top of my head, i'd have 373 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: to look at the and and I'm not I'm not 374 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: finding Oh here it is. It looks like each episode 375 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: is an hour and thirty minutes. So we're talking a 376 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: three hour movie here, which I guess nowadays especially people 377 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, aren't all movies three hours? Um? That 378 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: seems like like how how long I spend in the 379 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: movie theater if I go to one, um, not counting 380 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: the commercials in the three and a half hours once 381 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: the trailers are in there. But you know, it's if 382 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna tell the whole story, you're either gonna have 383 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: to know you're gonna have to cut it down, or 384 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to figure out how you're gonna fit it, 385 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: and at the time, maybe they just didn't fit into 386 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: the movie theaters. I don't know. Maybe the argument could 387 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: be maybe the Lango Leaders is not something you want 388 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: to actually have in theaters. Maybe it is more ultimately 389 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: the tv um TV project. And certainly it's very Twilight 390 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: Zones and its styling, so maybe it makes sense. Do 391 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: do we have Peter Jackson to thank for that that? 392 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: Like it's just normal for movies to be three hours long? Now? 393 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: I don't know, Uh, that would be an interesting um 394 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: discussion to look at, you know, long films and especially 395 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: I guess key to what we're talking about here, long 396 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: major US releases as opposed to like long art films 397 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: and so forth. Mhm. So I don't know, open question 398 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: at least for for us. Okay, Rob, I think you've 399 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: got to do this one from Eric because it's on 400 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: the subject that I know is dear to your heart. 401 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, this one's from Eric. This is be 402 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: a discord um. So if you want to join the 403 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: stuff to blow your mind discord, just email us. We're 404 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: going to share the email address in a bet and 405 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: we'll send you the link that seems to be the way, 406 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: it works best for folks to join it. But anyway, 407 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: Eric writes and says, I started listening to the last 408 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Starfighter episode and I have to pay respects to your 409 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: kind words about Underworld three. I feel like I never 410 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: see anyone praising any of those movies. I myself am 411 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: a fan of the first three actually, uh the three 412 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: Underworld films, but I agree with your comments about it 413 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: actually being a good prequel. I usually have a disdain 414 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 1: for many prequels right out of the gate, since they 415 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: typically seem to exist only to be a cash grab. 416 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: The powers that be need to make another buck, but 417 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: don't know how to push a story forwards, so they 418 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: go backwards. No doubt Underworld three exists for these reasons. However, 419 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: Underworld three, I thought did a really good job at 420 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: making a good prequel, expanding on a little bit of 421 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: info we got in the first film. All so, Michael 422 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: Sheen's Lucien is a great character. Sorry, a little random 423 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: ha ha. I was listening and was like, WHOA someone 424 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: else actually likes an Underworld movie exclamation point. I have 425 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: seen no Underworld movies, but Rob, I I really appreciate 426 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: how you know the the some of the camp movies 427 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: that you champion are not only like the ones that 428 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: have become cult classics that like folks, you should know that. 429 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: I was once invited to Rob's house to watch Chronicles 430 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: of Rittick and we it was a good time. Yeah, yeah, 431 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: I still stand by Chronicles of Rittick, and this I 432 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: think feels this is I would put this into some 433 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: of these films in a similar category. So I still 434 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: need to rewatch Underworld three this decade, so I'm not 435 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: super fresh on it, but I do remember it fondly. 436 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: It has the two best actors from the first Underworld movie, 437 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: Michael Sheen and Bill Knight, who are both marvelous actors 438 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: and and but very versatile. They can both play I 439 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: mean Michael Sheen, for example, we think of him for 440 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: playing more dramatic or certainly even over the top comedic roles, 441 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: but in Underworld three, he's like this ripped action star um. 442 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: And of course Bill Night is the same way. You 443 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: can play a very relatable, compassionate figure. He can be 444 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: uh uh, he can play comedy, and he can also 445 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: play just a vile vampire lord anyway, So those those 446 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: actors get to have a lot of screen time um, 447 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: and I feel like the plot of the movie works 448 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: well with the inherent limitations of a prequel, at least 449 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 1: in my recollection. I was just thinking about what I 450 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: know Michael Sheen from I realized I think he's read 451 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: at least one audio books that I really enjoyed, but 452 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was. I associate him with 453 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: being a good audio book reader. May have to come 454 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: back to that, but I know he's also he's in 455 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: some of those Twilight sequels where he he like, hang, 456 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: isn't he Am I wrong about that? No? No, he is. 457 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: He plays a vampire lord in in those movies, okay, 458 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: but a very like a aristocratic and fancy uh that 459 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: it is regrettable that we must kill you that kind 460 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: of Uh. Yeah. He has some sort of over the 461 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: top character in that that Tron remake Slash sequel that 462 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: they did as well, so he can go, we're very 463 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: broad and his performances, but can also like really, you 464 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: know again, very versatile performer. Uh. He had a fun 465 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: role on thirty Rock playing um a character by the 466 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: name of Wesley Snipes who was a British man that 467 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: Liz Lemon dates and it was it was a fun 468 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: uh fun. I guess lower key kind of comedic performance. 469 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe maybe maybe we'll come back 470 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: around Underworld. But I couldn't just throw you right into 471 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: Underworld three. If we were to do weird House, you'd, 472 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: I guess you'd have to see Underworld one through two, 473 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: and and then there are additional Underworld I think he 474 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: goes up to five, but I only saw the first three. 475 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: After the third one, I was like, Okay, this is 476 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: this is as good as it's gonna get. So I'm 477 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: done as good as this franchise can get. I need 478 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: to add that caveat. I'm not talking about cinema in general. 479 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: Well wait, this is kind of country. The last time 480 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: you were talking to me about the Underworld movies, you 481 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: said skip one, skip two, and go to three, and 482 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, this is the same thing you 483 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: should do with the Fast and the Furious movies. Well, 484 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: I guess you could. It is a prequel. But then again, 485 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean I look back and I remember really enjoying 486 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 1: the first one when it came out, and and a 487 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: lot of people did not enjoy it. Um so, and 488 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if I would be 489 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: up for rewatching the first one at this point, but 490 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: I remember liking it back in the day. I remember 491 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: the second one was I was less into and found 492 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: it kind of um and I just couldn't immerse myself 493 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: in it. And then I enjoyed three. So yeah, I'm 494 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: not sure. Maybe I'll still I'll still stick with that. Yeah, 495 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: just just skip to three or start with two. I 496 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: don't know you can. You can forge your own path 497 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: through the franchise. Okay, do we need to wrap up 498 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: there for today? Yeah, I think that's probably a good 499 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: place to go ahead and close everything out. But we'll 500 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: be back with more. We have more listener mail that 501 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: we didn't get to do in this episode, and more 502 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: of it we'll keep coming in thanks to you find listeners. 503 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, lets let us have it. Keep sending in 504 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: your listener mail, send in your thoughts on past, present, 505 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: and future episodes of Stuff to Blow your Mind, Weird 506 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: House Cinema, The Monster Fact, or just other episodes of 507 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: listener mail. 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