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Speaker 5: It's a Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black
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Speaker 5: in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. It is the
Speaker 5: final official Talking Cowboys of Training Camp twenty twenty five. Bye,
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Speaker 5: The preseason is almost over as well, and we will
Speaker 5: preview the final preseason match up.
Speaker 1: I have to say really quick, Lana Falcons, Yes, what's that? Sorry?
Speaker 7: Sorry, you want to just like interrupt my I do?
Speaker 7: I do because I'm concerned. Patrick looks a little pale
Speaker 7: this morning.
Speaker 1: I was getting there.
Speaker 7: Oh you're looking over this morning. I like the impression there.
Speaker 7: It's a pretty good show.
Speaker 5: Returning to the Talking Thank You Boys set for the
Speaker 5: first time in god knows how long. It's been one
Speaker 5: of the best hosts we've ever seen an high riser
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Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Nick Harris of the fort Worth starting.
Speaker 8: What's up me, It's great to be back. Don't tell anybody.
Speaker 8: This is my favorite show.
Speaker 9: Around these parts, round these parts, yeah, around these parts.
Speaker 9: So I missed this. I miss this little setting. I'm
Speaker 9: sure Chris Bean does not miss me showing up at
Speaker 9: nine oh one. But this is this is this is
Speaker 9: my This is how you get I'm good. I'm good
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Speaker 1: See beams good, We're all good. I'm good.
Speaker 8: Hap We're happy to have.
Speaker 6: You, buddy, Thank you man.
Speaker 7: I missed the dynamic. I miss chatting up with you.
Speaker 7: I missed the notes and newts every morning face Josh,
Speaker 7: I mean the eye candy of talking cowboys.
Speaker 6: That's why I'm on the show.
Speaker 5: The only rule of this is is if you're late,
Speaker 5: you got to bring coffee and donuts.
Speaker 7: Oh, especially on Halloween.
Speaker 1: Noted, where's the donuts.
Speaker 5: That's the big thing. Yeah, especially on Halloween. Sorry, guys,
Speaker 5: that was an actual thing that happened. I got stuck
Speaker 5: in traffic and the I had gotten donuts beforehand, because
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I'm good, like I brought these.
Speaker 5: I went and bought donuts at this little shot by
Speaker 5: my house. But then traffic was the worst traffic I've
Speaker 5: ever seen in my life, Like on my way in,
Speaker 5: I ended up being like fifteen minutes late, but I
Speaker 5: had donuts. Beam was convinced that I had gotten donuts
Speaker 5: after being stuck in traffic.
Speaker 1: It's like chance late. Yeah.
Speaker 5: He thinks I did it on purpose, but it was
Speaker 5: actually a pre emptive donut run that ended up in traffic,
Speaker 5: as opposed to like me being nice and saying, oh,
Speaker 5: I was already stuck in traffic, Like we love you, Kyle.
Speaker 8: You were just trying to head your bet.
Speaker 1: We get it. That's what it was. That's what it was.
Speaker 6: You can't be the guy that's late that didn't bring me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But yeah, Nick Harris four Orth Star Telegram
Speaker 1: is back.
Speaker 5: He was at open practice last night, Cowboys wrapping up
Speaker 5: training camp here at the Start in Frisco. A couple
Speaker 5: fun practices to cap things off. I saw really some
Speaker 5: really good stuff last night. Ceedee Lamb had an incredible
Speaker 5: grab back at the end zone.
Speaker 7: And to that point on dallascowboys dot Com, Kyle Yeomans
Speaker 7: was killing it on the broadcast. Thank you and on
Speaker 7: a twenty one thank you. Not to mention, but I
Speaker 7: just love the presentation that you guys had. I know
Speaker 7: we do it every year, but yeah, like Guessterday was
Speaker 7: particularly really great.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 5: The biggest thing about those broadcasts is you can't show
Speaker 5: anything because of the coaching staff restrictions.
Speaker 8: I felt like you could show more this year.
Speaker 1: Uh kind of okay.
Speaker 6: Then previous years.
Speaker 5: There were previous years where there were no numbers on
Speaker 5: the jerseys, no numbers.
Speaker 1: And names the jerseys.
Speaker 5: And we were doing this broadcast and we were at
Speaker 5: at and T Stadium, and we were up on the
Speaker 5: third level trying to decipher who we knew who CD
Speaker 5: Lamb was, Todown, we knew who Dak guy, we knew
Speaker 5: we knew who like the big name guys were.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, it was.
Speaker 7: Like insane pass breakup by Dak Prescott.
Speaker 5: I think I have no idea who that is. It's
Speaker 5: available online, right, yeah, oh y poadcast, So go back
Speaker 5: and watch it. If you didn't watch it. There was
Speaker 5: some good stuff last night that we were able to show,
Speaker 5: but they were still they had we had to make
Speaker 5: sure every everything was tight from a camera angle and
Speaker 5: so there were a couple of times where we weren't
Speaker 5: even showing the ball and I was just like, well,
Speaker 5: can't talk about what's happening on the field currently.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nate looked at me after we were done, He's like,
Speaker 1: we were a little quiet last night. I was like,
Speaker 1: I couldn't talk about what was on the field the
Speaker 1: same way.
Speaker 7: That's fair, But then again it is also open to
Speaker 7: the public, So there's just a fine line between all
Speaker 7: of that, right, It's all a balance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all a balance.
Speaker 5: But it is available online if you missed it last night.
Speaker 5: We had some good conversation, for sure. The CD Lamb catch,
Speaker 5: I thought his second foot was out of bounce, uh huh,
Speaker 5: And then we went back and replayed it and then
Speaker 5: of course he was totally in bounds.
Speaker 1: It was an incredible play, a.
Speaker 6: Beam in the back.
Speaker 9: It was a push off, it was definitely and he
Speaker 9: got flagged for it, but it was.
Speaker 5: It was still cool man, But I thought his foot
Speaker 5: was What were your thoughts Nick last night? As we
Speaker 5: got into the second open practice here.
Speaker 9: You know, Brian Schottenheimer on what is what is today
Speaker 9: Today's Thursday on Tuesday, Uh, he said that he wanted
Speaker 9: two practices that were ass kickers, and so I think, uh,
Speaker 9: you know, the physicality was certainly ramped up these these
Speaker 9: last two days.
Speaker 8: I thought it was a little bit more last night.
Speaker 9: You had more bodies on the ground as a result,
Speaker 9: but I thought, you know, the physicality was definitely ramped
Speaker 9: up in a positive way, in a positive way because
Speaker 9: I didn't see anybody leave the field yesterday. Luke scoon
Speaker 9: Maker did leave on Tuesday night, but I didn't see
Speaker 9: anybody depart the field last night.
Speaker 8: So I think overall, you know, they got what they
Speaker 8: wanted out of these two practices.
Speaker 9: And I caught Schottenheimer coming off the field and I
Speaker 9: was like, so it was was it an ass kicker?
Speaker 9: He just laughed, He's like, yeah, Well, I was like
Speaker 9: all right, And so, you know, I think that's just
Speaker 9: what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 9: The physicality is something that he's preached all training camp.
Speaker 9: And you know, when the when the Rams came into
Speaker 9: Oxnard for that joint practice, I think they they kind
Speaker 9: of got hit in the mouth a little bit, and
Speaker 9: the physicality I think probably took on a little bit
Speaker 9: more intention after that. And so you've you've seen that
Speaker 9: here in the last last couple of weeks as far
Speaker 9: as them, you know, trying to be a little bit more,
Speaker 9: you know, thudding and hitting. But it's been good to see,
Speaker 9: you know, this this last preseason game. There's a couple
Speaker 9: of position battles that are still up for grabs. I'm
Speaker 9: sure we'll dive into him. It's gonna be see to
Speaker 9: how some of these fifty three spots shake out. You're
Speaker 9: gonna see some surprises next week, and I'm curious to
Speaker 9: see what those are. I got a couple in mind,
Speaker 9: but I think this fifty three cut is going to
Speaker 9: be fascinating to evaluate.
Speaker 7: I was curious, and you guys would know better than me.
Speaker 7: Why was Doron Bland not out there? I know he was,
Speaker 7: he was stretching, but I didn't see him in any
Speaker 7: of the drills or anything thing like that.
Speaker 6: Wasn't in pads, wasn't in pads. Was there a reason why?
Speaker 9: Probably an undisclosed thing he's dealing with, but I wouldn't
Speaker 9: consider it anything major on.
Speaker 7: The d A D list again, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: That one up to Yeah, that one up to the interpretation.
Speaker 8: Three time D list yet yeah all day, uh.
Speaker 5: But uh yeah, at one time, yeah, The big thing
Speaker 5: for for Bland is if there was gonna be something major,
Speaker 5: I feel like it would have been a bigger storyline
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 6: And he was there.
Speaker 7: I mean, he was at practice, so that was the
Speaker 7: only thing that was really concerning to me. But I
Speaker 7: really loved specifically the blitz period and the red zone
Speaker 7: period yesterday. I mean, granted, that's that's whenever like practice
Speaker 7: really started, you know what I mean. Of course you
Speaker 7: have your special team's drills and all of that going
Speaker 7: for the first like ten to fifteen minutes of practice.
Speaker 8: Love special teams drills, man.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's great. It's just riveting television.
Speaker 5: Sure, what's your favorite the punting or the kicking, it's
Speaker 5: all of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, cool special teams.
Speaker 7: I don't know, man, Brian Inger hit some some gnarly
Speaker 7: douns in those punts. Yeah, he's a boomer, not in
Speaker 7: that way.
Speaker 1: We were up there.
Speaker 5: Of course, it's the same box that like we do
Speaker 5: Frisco isd games in and Nicky Eatman looked over, he's
Speaker 5: any of those high school kids from Frisco punting like that,
Speaker 5: And I was like, not in a million years. I
Speaker 5: was like, sorry, but no, they're kind of like Brian
Speaker 5: angers and dudes.
Speaker 8: They don't have bangers, they have dangers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: What were some of your takeaways from last night watching
Speaker 5: those red zone and those blitz periods.
Speaker 7: The blitz period was fascinating to me, and like of
Speaker 7: course you guys breaking it down was really fascinating. But
Speaker 7: in terms of like first team second team, I really
Speaker 7: noticed that Dak was just on one yesterday.
Speaker 6: He had a lot of zip on the ball.
Speaker 7: He was getting the ball out early to Ferg I mean,
Speaker 7: obviously relying on his security blanket out there.
Speaker 6: He had a great scene through yesterday.
Speaker 7: I felt that timing was off in some areas more
Speaker 7: often than others. With the second team, Joe Milton, I
Speaker 7: think you started off with a really good scramble and
Speaker 7: then he was kind of starting his aired passes, you know,
Speaker 7: throwing behind guys like Jalen Cropper. He was dead to
Speaker 7: rights on a corner blitz yet again by Izzy Israel mccuamou,
Speaker 7: but he had to go good throat of hold in
Speaker 7: at one point and then he kind of got into
Speaker 7: a rhythm towards the end of that blitz period. Of course,
Speaker 7: the bomb to Jalen Brooks was insane right before that,
Speaker 7: he had a great pass to hold in. So there
Speaker 7: was a bit of a progression yesterday that I haven't
Speaker 7: seen from Joe Milton in at least a few weeks.
Speaker 6: I was like, Okay, he's picking on to something here.
Speaker 1: What did you think about Milton in yesterday's practice.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I thought he was a lot more clean, and
Speaker 9: he was a lot more clean on Tuesday night as
Speaker 9: well as far as being consistent. You know, there were
Speaker 9: still some times where that bad footwork is showing up.
Speaker 9: And you know, in a situation where I think if
Speaker 9: you can break down Joe Milton and really kind of
Speaker 9: understand the footwork that he puts out on tape, it
Speaker 9: feels like on some throws he's putting like seventy five
Speaker 9: percent of his weight on his front foot and that
Speaker 9: just really allows him to push the ball a little.
Speaker 8: Bit further than you know he intends to.
Speaker 9: And that's such a big intention that him and quarterbacks
Speaker 9: coach Steve shimco Brian Shot, they're all trying to work
Speaker 9: on with him, and it's gonna take time.
Speaker 8: That's that's the that's the reality of it.
Speaker 9: You know, you hope that you don't need Joe Milton
Speaker 9: for an extended period of time this year because I'm
Speaker 9: not sure he's going to be ready for that. But
Speaker 9: if he can clean up these little footwork things, I
Speaker 9: think he does have potential moving forward.
Speaker 8: But you know, don't tell him he throws the ball hard.
Speaker 1: By the way, that was what was that?
Speaker 7: That was like an agro sort of response from him yesterday,
Speaker 7: And I'm tired of talking about it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something random cowboy jo he did.
Speaker 9: Said, he literally did say, let's clear the air. I
Speaker 9: don't throw the ball hard. We just kind of like
Speaker 9: look at each other like yeah, yeah, yeah, facts.
Speaker 1: Facts.
Speaker 6: Meanwhile, it's a sonic.
Speaker 5: But like every time he works one my favorite.
Speaker 8: Broken like fifteen fingers at camps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite tweet tell hundred Licky that about.
Speaker 5: The whole scenario is like, if you need somebody to
Speaker 5: throw the ball seventy five yards, Joe Milton can throw
Speaker 5: it seventy five yards. If you need somebody to throw
Speaker 5: the ball forty five yards, Joe Milton can throw.
Speaker 1: It seventy five yards. It's true. I mean that's what
Speaker 1: it looks like. Even last night when he released the ball.
Speaker 5: To Jalen Brooks, and we were sitting up there in
Speaker 5: the booth calling the practice.
Speaker 1: You can hear me on the broadcast. I went, wow,
Speaker 1: like it just it, It zips out of his hand.
Speaker 5: He has just the arm talent. I get it, I
Speaker 5: really do. Everything else is tough. That's the and so
Speaker 5: I get why there's there are NFL teams. Cowboys, of
Speaker 5: course are the number one interest here, but there are
Speaker 5: NFL teams that would be interested in Milton outside of
Speaker 5: the Cowboys because of the possibility there, because he does
Speaker 5: he has an unreal arm talent.
Speaker 1: But like you said, tying into the footwork.
Speaker 5: And that was a conversation I had with him early
Speaker 5: in camp was what are you working on after practice?
Speaker 5: What are you doing in your spare time and through
Speaker 5: your walkthroughs? He stood after in ox Nard a couple
Speaker 5: times after walkthroughs as well and.
Speaker 1: Was working with some receivers. What are you working on there?
Speaker 5: He said, I want to tie the timing of my
Speaker 5: receivers to my feet. He said, I want to try
Speaker 5: and piece this together and piece my footwork together to
Speaker 5: where it's steady and it's consistent. We haven't seen that consistency.
Speaker 5: We've seen some flashes. We've seen the right throws. Like
Speaker 5: you said, the timing this week I think has been
Speaker 5: the best out of any time point in camp. And
Speaker 5: maybe that's just a byproduct of reps. Maybe that's a
Speaker 5: byproduct of the system and learning the playbook a little
Speaker 5: bit more in depth. Whatever it may be, Milton has
Speaker 5: looked better this week than he has. It's not gonna
Speaker 5: matter if he goes out there and lays an egg
Speaker 5: on Friday. That's just playing and simple. He's got to
Speaker 5: have another really good preseason game or a really good
Speaker 5: preseason game.
Speaker 1: I should say it that way.
Speaker 5: Then we can talk about, Okay, is he ready for
Speaker 5: a quarterback two scenario or is this a situation where
Speaker 5: we need to go somewhere else.
Speaker 7: And to your point you just alluded to it too,
Speaker 7: is the timing. I think he's working on that obviously
Speaker 7: as he's going along. And that's why Brighton Schenheimer wants
Speaker 7: him to have more snaps and get the bulk of
Speaker 7: the snaps in preseason. But you see it a time
Speaker 7: and time again, and I think Babelffenberg was it on
Speaker 7: Twitter that broke down his play versus Will Greer and
Speaker 7: like getting uh, I think it was just an out
Speaker 7: route to Cropper.
Speaker 8: It was the scene.
Speaker 6: It was it was it was a seam sixteen to.
Speaker 7: Eighteen yards and that's where you want to hit it,
Speaker 7: and he broke it down perfectly. This is where you
Speaker 7: want to place the ball. And Joe Milton missed that
Speaker 7: timing window and it was glaring and it's obvious. And
Speaker 7: then you compare it to Will Greer, who did the
Speaker 7: exact same play in the fourth quarter and he nailed it.
Speaker 9: So let's say today, right, Dak Prescott's down for four weeks.
Speaker 1: Now, let's not say that.
Speaker 8: Let's let's just say that that's the reality.
Speaker 1: I hate saying.
Speaker 8: So you need do you throw out Will Creer? Do
Speaker 8: you throw out Joe Milton?
Speaker 9: I will agree I would throw out I think I'm
Speaker 9: probably throwing out Greer too at this point, and I
Speaker 9: think the comp staff would too. I think, and I
Speaker 9: think something very important that Brian Schenheimer's emphasized multiple times, like,
Speaker 9: we have.
Speaker 8: Not named a backup quarterbacks. We have not named a
Speaker 8: backup quarterback.
Speaker 9: And so whenever we follow up with okay, then why
Speaker 9: is Milton getting all these reps? He says, we need
Speaker 9: to learn more about Joe Milton. We know about Will Greer,
Speaker 9: which is understanding of Joe Milton, so I understand that,
Speaker 9: uh philosophy here in the preseason.
Speaker 8: Gosh, I had another point that I was gonna make
Speaker 8: just completely. You know, I'm not give you more, I'll
Speaker 8: give you time here.
Speaker 5: The one thing that plays off of that, the only
Speaker 5: person that doesn't benefit from the or actually there's a
Speaker 5: couple people that don't benefit, but one person that doesn't
Speaker 5: benefit from those reps for Milton his career because he
Speaker 5: wants to get in touch, he wants to get in rhythm,
Speaker 5: he wants to be there. The other people that might
Speaker 5: not have it is as Joe Milton's trying to figure
Speaker 5: it out. It makes it tougher for these wide receivers
Speaker 5: and for these pass catchers and for this offense to
Speaker 5: be evaluated accurately. That's the big thing that I think
Speaker 5: is being maybe not sacrificed, but at least hindered to
Speaker 5: a certain extent, because when you're two for eight in
Speaker 5: the first half against the Ravens in Week two of
Speaker 5: the preseason, are you getting a good look at this offense?
Speaker 1: Are you able to evaluate guys deeper on the roster like.
Speaker 5: A tree Shahn Holden or a Josh Kelly or a
Speaker 5: Ryan Flinoy or a Jalen Cropper. Not really, it's but
Speaker 5: you do have the practices to kind of supplement that.
Speaker 5: But in a preseason setting, in a preseason game setting,
Speaker 5: you don't get the good look because you're having to
Speaker 5: wait on your quarterback to try and figure it out.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, and this is something that Hole brought up after
Speaker 7: the game. Check her out on Twitter. She's amazing at
Speaker 7: it breaking down the film afterwards. But what she said,
Speaker 7: particularly when we're talking even in the booth, about how
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, he's calling a vanilla game, like he's
Speaker 7: calling a vanilla offense on offense and defense. Right, But
Speaker 7: you're supposed to be able to nail those things. You're
Speaker 7: supposed to be able to be in time, even if
Speaker 7: it is vanilla, and you're not doing those things with
Speaker 7: Joe Milton at quarterback right now.
Speaker 6: But again to shot Number's point.
Speaker 7: About we don't know enough about him, he needs to
Speaker 7: be out there, he needs to take the snaps because
Speaker 7: he needs his experience.
Speaker 6: He has had one game basically in the NFL.
Speaker 9: Let me throw another hypothetical at you on Friday, he
Speaker 9: has the same reform as he's had these first couple
Speaker 9: of preseason games. Do you maybe look to maybe trade
Speaker 9: a late Day three pick to go get somebody next week,
Speaker 9: a veteran that.
Speaker 1: Is trusted, A trusted veterans.
Speaker 7: How trusted we talking trusted back up?
Speaker 8: A trusted backup?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would The one pause I have on that
Speaker 5: is that you've done that the last couple of years
Speaker 5: with the Lance and done it, but you've done it
Speaker 5: with projects.
Speaker 8: Hence the dilemma.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like if I'm going to do it,
Speaker 5: I would like to have a couple of years of
Speaker 5: contract there, so maybe multiple years on his contract and
Speaker 5: whatever that may look like.
Speaker 1: But yes, but only because and the.
Speaker 5: Only reason we talk about the backup quarterback position as
Speaker 5: much as we do in the media and around this
Speaker 5: this Cowboys beat is because they've needed it the last
Speaker 5: few years. Out of the last five, they've needed the
Speaker 5: backup quarterback position. And that's that's sort of a knock
Speaker 5: on Dak Prescott, but it's the conversation we've always had.
Speaker 5: If Dak Prescott's healthy, great, but healthy is not always
Speaker 5: a given right. And so when we're looking at Joe
Speaker 5: Milton and we're looking at this backup quarterback competition. There's
Speaker 5: a reason, and you're gonna need it at some point
Speaker 5: in time, most likely, hopefully you don't. Hopefully it's somebody
Speaker 5: that's going to hold a clipboard all year. I'm good
Speaker 5: with that. However, that just hasn't been the reality in
Speaker 5: this franchise the last few years, and Nick just outlined it.
Speaker 5: Over the last five years, you've needed it, So yes,
Speaker 5: I would do it. I would trade a late day
Speaker 5: three pick and go get somebody that I trust.
Speaker 7: At this point, I'm not willing to give up any
Speaker 7: more capital on a backup quarterback situation at this point.
Speaker 7: And that but that's right now because the problem hasn't
Speaker 7: presented itself exactly.
Speaker 9: Like if you're six and one and you need four games,
Speaker 9: it gets me a lot different then exactly.
Speaker 10: See.
Speaker 5: But then the price goes up and instead of a
Speaker 5: six or seventh round pick, we're talking about a fourth
Speaker 5: or a fifth round pick to go get you a
Speaker 5: guy if you're.
Speaker 1: Going to make a deal, and that sucks.
Speaker 5: If we're going to make a deal and that sucks,
Speaker 5: and go get a quarterback that's trusted, that can take
Speaker 5: over this.
Speaker 1: Team and ultimately take you to the playoffs and have
Speaker 1: some success.
Speaker 7: But I don't want to rely on that problem occurring.
Speaker 7: I want to at least for now. Yeah, you want
Speaker 7: to be banking on the fact that back on the
Speaker 7: fact that you're okay and deal with that problem when
Speaker 7: it comes. And like you said, the price is going
Speaker 7: to go up. But at that point, you know you
Speaker 7: might be desperate enough to do it.
Speaker 1: You're already in a spot at that.
Speaker 7: Exactly exactly, so I'm not willing to invest any more
Speaker 7: draft capital into that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break here on Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 6: I like it.
Speaker 1: Camp is over a month worth.
Speaker 5: Of practices, both split through Oxnard, California and Frisco, Texas
Speaker 5: have now come to a close. So I want to
Speaker 5: start with most improved from the beginning to the end
Speaker 5: of camp. It does include the preseason games. I want
Speaker 5: the whole picture here. Okay, who's the most improved.
Speaker 1: Off of this roster for the Dallas Cowboys in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 6: This feels to me like a second.
Speaker 1: Year award, right, second year jump.
Speaker 6: A second year jump.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 8: I know where you're going with this.
Speaker 6: I mean, how could you not.
Speaker 7: I mean Marshall Neeland could be on the list, you
Speaker 7: could say, and not a second year person.
Speaker 6: You could say.
Speaker 7: Dimon Clark could be on this list as far as
Speaker 7: improved last year over this year. But I'm going Maris
Speaker 7: lea Fais. I love what he's done. I love the
Speaker 7: size that he's put on since last year. He's just
Speaker 7: absolutely giving an attitude on the defense that we've desperately
Speaker 7: needed since last season, since of the past three or
Speaker 7: four or five, maybe six seasons. But I love what
Speaker 7: I'm seeing from Marsleefault, and it was indicative in the
Speaker 7: very first play of the first preseason game when he
Speaker 7: absolutely on special team just knocks a dude over dude.
Speaker 6: You'd love to see.
Speaker 7: It for me, Mary Cleefaul at this point, I like it.
Speaker 9: If you had told me at the beginning of training
Speaker 9: camp that Tyler Geiiton would go down with a knee
Speaker 9: injury early on and somebody would have to come into
Speaker 9: his place for the rest of training camp, I would
Speaker 9: have given you about six names before I would have
Speaker 9: gotten to Nate Thomas.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's gonna be the one for me.
Speaker 9: Just more of an overall offseason picture for him, but
Speaker 9: specifically at training camp, he's been a huge surprise for
Speaker 9: me stepping into that left tackle role. Now there's still
Speaker 9: some green to him, and there's still some things, you know,
Speaker 9: he's clearly got to learn, and boy, you hope he
Speaker 9: doesn't have to go out there week one against Philadelphia
Speaker 9: or even Week two against New York. But I think
Speaker 9: when you talk about his rise and you talk about
Speaker 9: the confidence that he's built in his coaching staff, I
Speaker 9: got to turn to Nate Thomas, another second year guy
Speaker 9: technically in his first year playing, but in a second
Speaker 9: year in the program.
Speaker 13: No.
Speaker 1: I like that a lot.
Speaker 5: And I think when you put it the way you did,
Speaker 5: where Nate Thomas was on IR for much of his
Speaker 5: rookie season, the entire of it, he wasn't even a
Speaker 5: part of these practices. This is really a training camp
Speaker 5: for him to find out how to play NFL football.
Speaker 5: And then he's thrown into the left tackle spot and
Speaker 5: he's done a good job. Is he NFL ready to
Speaker 5: be a seventeen game NFL left tackle? Probably not, But
Speaker 5: are you able to get a couple spot starts out
Speaker 5: of him if you need to, which is kind of
Speaker 5: what you need here with Tyler Geitton.
Speaker 6: I think he's ready for and you need out of
Speaker 6: a swing tackle.
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely, And so yeah, I agree with you on
Speaker 5: both of those.
Speaker 1: Those are great. Just to keep the names rolling, I'm
Speaker 1: going to say Damoon Clark. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Dmone entered this offseason unknowing or without knowing what his.
Speaker 1: Future possibly in this franchise would be, and a.
Speaker 5: New staff, new coaching staff that he did like, and
Speaker 5: we've had conversations where.
Speaker 1: He says I feel like I can play free.
Speaker 5: Again in this system. Didn't really fit in Mike Zimmer's system.
Speaker 5: He's put together a great camp. We put a rank
Speaker 5: them on dallascowboys dot com of the top twenty players
Speaker 5: of Dallas Cowboys training camp.
Speaker 1: He was top fifteen. He was number fourteen on the list.
Speaker 5: So to see him have some success, to see him
Speaker 5: play well in the preseason games, and to continue to
Speaker 5: take steps forward after possibly being off of the roster
Speaker 5: and because of the contract situation, it might have been
Speaker 5: easier for this team to let go of de mone
Speaker 5: Clark saved themselves about three million in cash. Instead, he's
Speaker 5: on the roster squarely and he'll be in the rotation
Speaker 5: at linebacker. I think he's taken a big step forward.
Speaker 7: From a guy that was totally lost in Mike Zimmer's scheme.
Speaker 7: For him to come back after that and like still
Speaker 7: gain that confidence and translated onto the practice field, not
Speaker 7: necessarily as much for the preseason games, but I feel
Speaker 7: like that's coming.
Speaker 6: I think that's coming for him, and.
Speaker 5: It may not be like a most improved he may
Speaker 5: have always had this, it's just because we've seen flashes
Speaker 5: of de Moone Clark.
Speaker 1: Being great in the past.
Speaker 5: It's piecing it all together in the situation that he
Speaker 5: had in front of him, because other guys that were
Speaker 5: under pressure going into the training camp practices weren't necessarily
Speaker 5: as successful.
Speaker 1: Demone Clark did his job and he came in and
Speaker 1: had a good camp.
Speaker 5: Honorable mention Sam Williams just because one's coming back from
Speaker 5: injury and yesterday the speed that he has he tracked
Speaker 5: down Dak Prescott on a bootleg and just was in
Speaker 5: his hip pocket. That was a sack for It was
Speaker 5: totally a sack. And Sam Williams looks like he's going
Speaker 5: to be a dude. I didn't want to give him
Speaker 5: Most Improved, but I think it needs to be mentioned
Speaker 5: how impressive he's been.
Speaker 9: There's some people out there on the Twitter sphere that
Speaker 9: are trying to not include Sam Williams on their final
Speaker 9: fifty three.
Speaker 6: That's crazy.
Speaker 8: Blows my mind, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: They haven't blutched my practice exactly.
Speaker 8: I mean took it out of my mouth, all right.
Speaker 5: Going on to Rookie of the year in training camp,
Speaker 5: who was your standout rookie?
Speaker 9: Then come on, come on, you answer, come easy answer.
Speaker 9: Donovan as Aku for me.
Speaker 1: For listeners of the Draft show, this is not a surprise.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I you know, I'm a big, big fan of
Speaker 9: this kid, and you know, early on at camp I
Speaker 9: felt like, you know, he wanted to throw everything that
Speaker 9: he has in his arsenal out there and show what
Speaker 9: he can do. And so you saw the bend, the athleticism,
Speaker 9: the flash off the edge, and you saw him getting
Speaker 9: into the backfield. You saw him dropping back in coverage
Speaker 9: to taking running backs out of the backfield and running
Speaker 9: with him step for step.
Speaker 8: You saw all of that early in camp.
Speaker 9: And it was funny because we were talking to Matty
Speaker 9: Eberflus and he was talking about his his development, and
Speaker 9: he's like, you.
Speaker 8: Know how, He's like, it's it's when rookies come in.
Speaker 9: It's kind of like potty training a baby, and you
Speaker 9: know you got to go through like step at a time,
Speaker 9: step at a time. It's like when as Araku got here,
Speaker 9: like he had it all figured out. So let's think
Speaker 9: of the back of my head.
Speaker 8: So I was like, so he was. He was pooping
Speaker 8: in the.
Speaker 9: Toilet, all right, and so he's like, now we're like
Speaker 9: really trying to work on the things that we know
Speaker 9: he can be better at. And so if you watch
Speaker 9: these first two preseason games and you go back and
Speaker 9: look at as Iraku, I do not think it's a
Speaker 9: fair or not necessarily fair. I don't think it is
Speaker 9: going to be an accurate representation of what you are
Speaker 9: going to get in the regular season because there is
Speaker 9: so much power moves that Asraku is trying to get
Speaker 9: better at, and you see him working on that in
Speaker 9: these preseason games, and I've talked to him a little
Speaker 9: bit about it. Of course, he has the speed. He's
Speaker 9: trying to turn the speed to power. And when you
Speaker 9: can add that element to your pass rush arsenal as
Speaker 9: a two hundred and forty five pound pass rusher, that's
Speaker 9: where you can take that step from great to elite.
Speaker 9: And that's what Michael Parsons was able to do so
Speaker 9: well his rookie year. He was able to figure out,
Speaker 9: you know, how to turn that speed to power. And
Speaker 9: now you see Michael Parsons driving through guys like Tristan
Speaker 9: Wurf's and Lane Johnson now in the NFL. And if
Speaker 9: Donovan has Araku can bring that same type of ability
Speaker 9: with power, he's going to be incredible in this league. Again,
Speaker 9: he has the speed bendefolot to be a speed rusher.
Speaker 9: I think he's going to be a guy who has
Speaker 9: six seven sacks this year for this defense. But if
Speaker 9: he can add the power element to his game, Look,
Speaker 9: I feel confident saying this, he will be in the
Speaker 9: defensive Rookie of the Year conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because what was Micah's sack total?
Speaker 5: Twelve his rookie year, I think, and so if you
Speaker 5: get anywhere close to that, let's just imagine he gets nine,
Speaker 5: he gets right under the ten sacks in the double
Speaker 5: digit sack category. I would be ecstatic about that edition,
Speaker 5: absolutely ecstatic if he got there. And honestly, tackles for
Speaker 5: loss were more of an impressive number that he had
Speaker 5: last year because what he had he had seven or
Speaker 5: twenty tackles for loss with Boston College. He had sixteen
Speaker 5: and a half sacks with Boston College. If you had
Speaker 5: eleven twelve tackles for loss to go along with eight
Speaker 5: nine sacks.
Speaker 1: That's an incredible rookie year. And you can build on
Speaker 1: top of that.
Speaker 5: Micah parcels on the other side, notwithstanding who knows what
Speaker 5: his numbers will be, that's one of the top sack
Speaker 5: rushing duo in all.
Speaker 9: Of you take back to Sam Williams's rookie year, he
Speaker 9: had four sacks and he finished fifth and defensive Rookie
Speaker 9: of the Year voting, which is crazy to think about,
Speaker 9: that is why.
Speaker 8: And then last year's defensive.
Speaker 9: Rooie the Year, Jerry Versusly had four and a half sacks,
Speaker 9: So I mean, wow, that was more is an impact
Speaker 9: on the run game and his quarterback threshers and things like.
Speaker 3: That, which that would be welcome to I would be
Speaker 3: okay with that too.
Speaker 9: So that's that's what I'm saying, Like, if he can
Speaker 9: get to like six and a half seven sacks, he's
Speaker 9: in the conversation.
Speaker 7: This passworst group is going to be exciting once we're
Speaker 7: full go oh for sure, it's gonna be fun to watch.
Speaker 7: And like, once we're finally like live bullets out there,
Speaker 7: it's gonna be awesome for me. Just to change up
Speaker 7: the conversation a little bit.
Speaker 8: But you agree with me, I agree.
Speaker 1: I have three for three across the board. It would
Speaker 1: be as a optic, but just.
Speaker 7: To bring in another name as far as Rookie of
Speaker 7: the Year goes a Rookie of Training Camp, I have
Speaker 7: to say Shamar James, because as we've gone along, I wasn't.
Speaker 6: A big draft expert. I didn't necessarily.
Speaker 7: See him in college and watch a ton of college,
Speaker 7: but I just kept seeing fifty out there. I just
Speaker 7: kept seeing fifty flying all over the place. And the
Speaker 7: guy that wasn't quick to necessarily diagnose the play, but
Speaker 7: quick to get to the play. If he didn't see
Speaker 7: it right away, if he didn't diagnose it, he was
Speaker 7: gonna get there no matter what because he has that speed.
Speaker 7: Once he's able to actually diagnose what's going on before
Speaker 7: everybody else, it's gonna be insane. Like this guy's going
Speaker 7: to continue to make plays. And he was making plays
Speaker 7: even whenever he read the wrong play.
Speaker 5: And that happened a lot of Florida. Because for somebody
Speaker 5: that watched the tape, I mean, you can agree with
Speaker 5: this too. Diagnosing was never his thing. The athleticism was
Speaker 5: his thing. And would it translates to the NFL level.
Speaker 5: It looks like it's translating just fine.
Speaker 7: It's translating just fine because of his natural gifts at
Speaker 7: just being incredibly fast and getting people down to the ground.
Speaker 6: Yeah, granted we haven't seen.
Speaker 7: A whole lot of that in practice obviously, but you're
Speaker 7: seeing in preseason games now and just seeing him fly
Speaker 7: across the board is it's really encouraging and a guy
Speaker 7: that you need. And we've talked about how much of
Speaker 7: a strength so far linebackers have been for this team.
Speaker 7: He's definitely one of them.
Speaker 9: We're going to look back in a couple of years
Speaker 9: and look at this three draft stretch that they've had
Speaker 9: where they've gone to Marven, Overshown, Mayer, Leah f Alshamar James,
Speaker 9: and we're gonna be like, damn, that was a run.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Hopefully, especially with Demo coming back to he stays healthy,
Speaker 5: that could be a fun core for the future.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna do a deep blue on that in like
Speaker 7: ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be the twenty Yeah. The linebacker, Yeah, the linebacker.
Speaker 1: Back to backers. Uh, that's good, right, that's good.
Speaker 8: Back back to back down.
Speaker 1: Great, All right, let's move on to who's George?
Speaker 5: You have time, I said as Roku, Okay, yeah, let's
Speaker 5: let's move on to defensive player of the year in
Speaker 5: training camp or defensive player of the camp.
Speaker 1: I should say. I'll start with you, Josh, you got Kyer.
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 7: I mean, how could you, how can you not be
Speaker 7: impressed but needed him, you needed him desperately, and Granton
Speaker 7: when the trade happened, I wasn't like, yeah, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean, Like you saw the AFC Championship gave me,
Speaker 7: You're like, oh no, yeah. But since camp started, he
Speaker 7: has been the best corner that we've had.
Speaker 8: I would say I would go back to ot as even.
Speaker 7: Since ot I agree, yeah, I wouldn't argue that. Uh,
Speaker 7: just he's he's a flash out there. I love seeing
Speaker 7: how he's able to just just past breakups have been insane.
Speaker 7: He did one yesterday against CD, who's a nice comeback
Speaker 7: route that he just has fun eliminated. I love seeing that,
Speaker 7: love the attitude that he brings for me easily.
Speaker 8: It's got your just to switch it up. I would
Speaker 8: go Elam as well, but just to switch it up.
Speaker 9: And this is a guy that you know, I think
Speaker 9: has just had a really strong training camp, maybe has
Speaker 9: flown under the radar a little bit of how good
Speaker 9: of a camp he's had. He's playing confident in the system,
Speaker 9: he's playing well as Millie Cooker, and I like what
Speaker 9: he's put together from a camp perspective because to be
Speaker 9: completely honest, completely transparent.
Speaker 8: Going into this camp, I was like, man, when can
Speaker 8: you get rid of these two safeties?
Speaker 9: Yeah, like it's it's you know, you got Wilson on
Speaker 9: the books for one more year, you got Hooker on
Speaker 9: the books for two more years. It just felt like
Speaker 9: you could be so much better at the position group
Speaker 9: if you look back at the defense's last couple of years.
Speaker 9: But they have both proved me wrong, and so Hooker especially,
Speaker 9: I think he's he's looked really good under this eberflu system.
Speaker 5: I agree, And if I had to rank it defensively,
Speaker 5: it would be Elam Hooker.
Speaker 1: And then the guy that I'm about to name as
Speaker 1: kind of my extra Ohsa, Diggy Zooa.
Speaker 8: Really I thought.
Speaker 1: He's been great. I think he's been great.
Speaker 6: Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Speaker 1: Especially you talk about yesterday blowing up practice. Yesterday, he
Speaker 1: was really good.
Speaker 5: There are times where he has disappeared a little bit,
Speaker 5: but it's practice.
Speaker 8: It's tough in these environments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the.
Speaker 5: Thing is you're gonna see ups and downs from the
Speaker 5: trenches at different points throughout camp. I thought consistently he
Speaker 5: was the best interior defensive lineman that should be the
Speaker 5: case with the money that he's getting in the type
Speaker 5: of praise that he's gotten throughout his career. But I
Speaker 5: would I would say, I mean outside of that, and
Speaker 5: we've mentioned Marius Leah Fowl and some of these linebackers
Speaker 5: as well that that have played well edge rushers, you
Speaker 5: haven't had really the same splash from guys outside of
Speaker 5: Ezraku maybe Fowler. I think Osa has been good throughout
Speaker 5: training camp and I'm gonna stick with that. Yeah, let's
Speaker 5: take our second break when we come back. I want
Speaker 5: to flip it too. The offensive side of the football.
Speaker 5: Offensive Player of the Camp are MVP of camp so far.
Speaker 5: And then we'll give you a quick preview of the
Speaker 5: Cowboys and Falcons final preseason game of twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 5: As training camp has come to a close, it's time
Speaker 5: to get back into regular season talk pretty soon. Alongside
Speaker 5: Nick Harris, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam in the back, I'm
Speaker 5: Kyle Yeoman's let's get into offensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: We've given our player camp. Yeah, player of Camp.
Speaker 6: Sorry.
Speaker 5: Uh, We've done the most improved player, We've done the
Speaker 5: defensive player of Camp, We've done the Rookie of Camp,
Speaker 5: and now offensive player of Camp.
Speaker 6: I'll let you start, Josh, darn it, dude.
Speaker 5: And this is I'm kind of thinking this as what
Speaker 5: the DPOY voting is at the end of the year.
Speaker 5: Like usually there's a different offensive player, the different Player
Speaker 5: of the Year as opposed to the MVP.
Speaker 1: You can double it up if you want to, but
Speaker 1: really it's a yeah, I don't want to scrap it seed.
Speaker 7: Thing because I know you guys are gonna go off
Speaker 7: and I don't want to steal this from anybody. So
Speaker 7: I'll just pick sort of the standard, the gold standard
Speaker 7: of the Cowboys offense currently, and that's Ceedee lamb mm.
Speaker 6: I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 8: He did have a great camp, He really did.
Speaker 7: He excellent camp, And seriously, that is that is who
Speaker 7: your offense starts and ends with. It runs through him
Speaker 7: one A and it's solidified. I kind of wish I
Speaker 7: could touch on one B, but I feel like that
Speaker 7: might come up here in the segment. Yeah, there might
Speaker 7: be one there too, But Ceedee Lamb. He's the gold
Speaker 7: standard of your cowboys.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going with the guy.
Speaker 9: He had the most receptions of any pass catcher in
Speaker 9: training camp and has really added a big time element
Speaker 9: to this, to this offense.
Speaker 8: It's not George Picktts, it's Cavante Terrapin.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 8: I'm taking Avante.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree that Dermi.
Speaker 9: He added offensive element that he has provided to this system.
Speaker 9: If it can translate into the regular season, watch out,
Speaker 9: I'm serious, watch out. You talk about what he's been
Speaker 9: able to do from lining up in the slot, lining
Speaker 9: up outside, lining up as as a running back as well,
Speaker 9: and getting carries. It's been it's been really cool to
Speaker 9: see him him kind of finally put it together on
Speaker 9: the offensive side.
Speaker 8: Of the ball.
Speaker 9: And you get why he's got that six million dollar
Speaker 9: price tag. Now, you know you can't just be a
Speaker 9: returner with that kind of with that kind of money,
Speaker 9: so you know they're there. They have added an increased
Speaker 9: effort to get him involved offensively and that really manifested
Speaker 9: a training camp.
Speaker 1: I like it. And remember we've talked about it on
Speaker 1: this show before.
Speaker 5: Josh, the conversations that shot he had even before becoming
Speaker 5: head coach was we need to get Turpin involved.
Speaker 1: More, and that's why you extended more. That's why you
Speaker 1: extended him.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, That's why he's here, and that's why when Schottenheimer
Speaker 5: was hired as head coach, he had a plan in
Speaker 5: place to get Turpin.
Speaker 1: Involved and they did a lot.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned the receptions there, Nick, I think that's
Speaker 5: an interesting point because he was out there constantly and
Speaker 5: they were trying to give him the ball constantly. I
Speaker 5: think I tweeted two or three times while I was
Speaker 5: out there, like they are getting Turp in the football.
Speaker 1: They're getting it to him in space.
Speaker 5: Whether it's in the flat as a screen over the
Speaker 5: middle of the field, didn't matter. They were getting the
Speaker 5: football to nine and he was running with it.
Speaker 7: There are scheming plays for one Comante Turpan, and that
Speaker 7: is apparent. That's why they extended him, and you saw
Speaker 7: that in flashes.
Speaker 6: Last season.
Speaker 7: Obviously had his best season overall last season, which was
Speaker 7: returning the ball right as a kick returner, as a
Speaker 7: punt returner. But you see that, and I don't think
Speaker 7: the offense or just the coaching staff necessarily didn't do
Speaker 7: a great season, a great job last season of involving
Speaker 7: him in the offense. I mean, you saw him run
Speaker 7: a few times. You saw a couple of passes to
Speaker 7: him that ended up in touchdowns. But to me, it
Speaker 7: wasn't a conscious effort towards like this is the fastest
Speaker 7: man in the NFL.
Speaker 6: K I of loves that call.
Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, I do love that call.
Speaker 7: And you're not scheming plays to get this guy the ball.
Speaker 7: He's not the best receiver that we have, but you
Speaker 7: have to get the ball in his hands no matter what.
Speaker 6: And that's what it feels like they're doing.
Speaker 1: I love it. And he's gonna have to try and
Speaker 1: find what he is.
Speaker 7: That's why they call him that, dude, Why they call
Speaker 7: him that?
Speaker 8: Why they do it? Gosh, you do That's just show,
Speaker 8: you know, that's just them.
Speaker 1: It's the torpedo guy, stop it beam stop.
Speaker 8: I actually love the Torpedo's It's it's.
Speaker 1: A great name.
Speaker 5: But Turpey Turpy Speed Speed is a talking Cowboys staple. O.
Speaker 1: G It's we're the only show that does it.
Speaker 5: And if you say Turpy Turpey speed Speed, then we
Speaker 5: know they're.
Speaker 9: Last year what uh when Nick It went up to
Speaker 9: the Turpey. He's like, he's got a nickname for Turpy
Speaker 9: Turby speed speak. Come on, was like, yeah, he loved it,
Speaker 9: like great, But now every time they want to play by,
Speaker 9: Twitter blows up.
Speaker 1: That is true.
Speaker 9: I get comments on her my posts whenever Turpin doesn't
Speaker 9: like Turbet turbot speed speed at Josh wr You're darn right.
Speaker 6: Your darn Tuton, dude.
Speaker 1: It's the best. It's the best.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna there's a point I'm gonna make on going
Speaker 5: into the MVP conversation. You said cdee Lamb for offensive
Speaker 5: player of camp, you said Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say George Pickens. Yeah, just because again.
Speaker 5: Added element to this offense, contested ball downfield, exactly what
Speaker 5: you've missed and what you've needed in this passing game
Speaker 5: for quite some time. I'm gonna say Pickens.
Speaker 10: There.
Speaker 5: I would rather say Ceedee Lamb in this conversation, but
Speaker 5: just to keep it going.
Speaker 9: Can I add an offensive player that maybe didn't get
Speaker 9: talked about enough as having a.
Speaker 8: Pretty solid camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: No, Moving on, Terrence Steele, I thought Terror Steel had
Speaker 7: a good camp, Okay.
Speaker 1: Not an MVP yor offensive player exact camp exactly.
Speaker 9: I just thought he had a good camp, and I
Speaker 9: think it's it's definitely a point of optimism going into
Speaker 9: the year.
Speaker 6: I like, I love to hear it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was steady too.
Speaker 5: He had that little hiccup early with the ankle or
Speaker 5: was it an ankle or shoulder ankle? I thought it
Speaker 5: was an ankle, missed a couple of practices right back in.
Speaker 1: It had no problem.
Speaker 5: So I agree with you there going into MVP conversation.
Speaker 6: I mean, who's your MVP?
Speaker 7: You just said it in a way, Oh yeah, in
Speaker 7: a way. You listed three wide receivers that are having
Speaker 7: excellent camp.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 6: Who's getting them the ball?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who's throwing them the football?
Speaker 7: Willy Wonka and Chat is gonna He's gonna blow a gasket,
Speaker 7: But it's uh, it's Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6: What are we doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: What are we doing?
Speaker 1: You ever heard of wins above replacement in baseball?
Speaker 6: Explain this to me.
Speaker 1: War so war.
Speaker 5: Is an analytic used in baseball that it puts together
Speaker 5: the amount of impact that a certain player has at
Speaker 5: their position group and it takes into effect how much
Speaker 5: their production as a team would drop off without that
Speaker 5: player in the lineup. And there have been some great
Speaker 5: players with really high wars throughout their their baseball career.
Speaker 5: The wins above replacement for Dak Prescott and training Camp
Speaker 5: is through the roof. I mean you talk about what
Speaker 5: you've seen from him, you've seen from Joe Milton, and
Speaker 5: not even just Joe Milton, but any other quarterback that's
Speaker 5: even possible to be your backup quarterback behind Dak Prescott.
Speaker 5: It's a significant drop off. So yes, we're talking about
Speaker 5: in I don't think Dallas Cowboys dot Com as a
Speaker 5: staff disagrees because in that top twenty ranking of campers
Speaker 5: for three of the four top players were all wide
Speaker 5: receivers Ceede. Lamb, George Pickens, Cavant de Turpin. That's not
Speaker 5: an incorrect statement, but somebody has to throw them the football,
Speaker 5: and it wasn't Joe Milton, it was it was Dak Prescott.
Speaker 5: So I have Dak as my MVP for that reason
Speaker 5: and that reason alone. Was he the best, most electrifying,
Speaker 5: most incredible player of training Camp? Probably not, but we're
Speaker 5: talking most valuable. Dak is that valuable player.
Speaker 8: I'll just go see that's fair, That's okay.
Speaker 6: Wow, Dak hate on Dallas.
Speaker 9: Was no, no, at all. I did think Dak had
Speaker 9: a fine camp. I mean, he only had the two
Speaker 9: interceptions in pads. I thought that was really important towards,
Speaker 9: you know, his turnover progression, because those numbers were starting
Speaker 9: to get a little wonky before he got hurt last year.
Speaker 8: So yeah, Dak is for sure a service.
Speaker 5: It's pretty impressive in practice to only throw two picks
Speaker 5: and pads. Yeah, I mean, I know they're doing things
Speaker 5: and they're trying to do a lot of passing reps
Speaker 5: without pads on, But in pads, you're trying to fit
Speaker 5: a football into a tight window. You're trying to force
Speaker 5: it a couple different times into windows you wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 5: force it into in a game. So the fact that
Speaker 5: he only had two interceptions in practice, the fact that
Speaker 5: one we're charting that is just crazy that we're at
Speaker 5: the day and age of sports media.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I feel like you're responsible for that.
Speaker 1: I know it might be.
Speaker 5: I don't know, we're all jerks, but but I do
Speaker 5: think that's that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: Cowboys Falcons On Friday, seven o'clock kickoff, six o'clock countdown
Speaker 5: to kick off from AT and T stadium, Nick, what
Speaker 5: are you looking for in the final preseason game.
Speaker 8: The Ben Denucci revenge game.
Speaker 5: He's signed to the Falcons this week.
Speaker 7: Just get me to week one, man.
Speaker 9: I am The last preseason game on Saturday completely changed
Speaker 9: my opinion about an eighteen game season, because if it
Speaker 9: means we take away a preseason game, I'm all, I'm all,
Speaker 9: You're down, But no, for real, there's a couple of
Speaker 9: position battles that I think, you know, Friday is going
Speaker 9: to be a big determining factor in you know, you
Speaker 9: think about this RB two situation. I think Javonte Williams
Speaker 9: is pretty much penciled in as a starter. Who's going
Speaker 9: to be behind him? I think that's still up in
Speaker 9: the air. Who's going to be the last tight end
Speaker 9: on the roster? I think that's a I think that's
Speaker 9: a much bigger conversation than people think. I think Jake
Speaker 9: Ferguson and Brevin span Ford are the only safe ones,
Speaker 9: and I think Rivaldo Fairweather has started to factor himself
Speaker 9: into the conversation. He got a lot of run with
Speaker 9: the ones. Yeah, yesterday and the day before whenever Luke
Speaker 9: Schoonmaker came out with injury. So if Schoonmaker is not
Speaker 9: playing on Friday, and Rivaldo Fairweather shows up yet again.
Speaker 8: That could be big time.
Speaker 9: He has the only receiving touchdown from Joe Milton in
Speaker 9: this preseason and he's had a couple of big time receptions.
Speaker 9: Show some value in the block run blocking game as
Speaker 9: well on the defensive side of the ball, the slot corners.
Speaker 9: But you know is going to be keym on Hall,
Speaker 9: Zion Childress, Israel mcwhalma, even though mcwamah has gotten some
Speaker 9: a lot of reps at safety. But I'm curious to
Speaker 9: see who comes out of that battle on top. There's
Speaker 9: some fun ones still still to be you know, evaluated.
Speaker 9: Who's that last receiver on the roster. You know, I
Speaker 9: not not to kill the hopes of all the Trey
Speaker 9: shon Holden fans out there, but Trey shon Holden just
Speaker 9: does not bring enough special teams value, I'm afraid. And look,
Speaker 9: if it were from a pure receiving standpoint, Trey shon
Speaker 9: Holden would be on this roster.
Speaker 8: I agree with.
Speaker 1: He's got some of the best hands that I've seen.
Speaker 9: And he's been consistent every day. He's shown up night,
Speaker 9: made a great play last night in the end zone.
Speaker 9: But from a special team's perspective, he's still learning, and
Speaker 9: Jalen Brooks is a top five special teams player on
Speaker 9: this roster. Jalen Brooks is going to be that last
Speaker 9: guy before Treyshawn Holden, and I would say Ryan Flinoy
Speaker 9: would be that last.
Speaker 8: Guy before Trey Shawn Holding as well.
Speaker 9: So but I you know, theoretically that last spot is
Speaker 9: still up for grabs, especially now that Mingo is going
Speaker 9: on IR theoretically to start the season. You know that's
Speaker 9: going to open up a spot for at least one guy.
Speaker 9: But yeah, I'm curious to see what happens with these
Speaker 9: position battles man.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm particularly running back and how we've sort of
Speaker 7: discussed the three that you're going to have full four
Speaker 7: if you count lipkey. Shouts to Nick Harris for the
Speaker 7: weak love. But yesterday and the day before here at
Speaker 7: first goes training camp after do sort of got over
Speaker 7: that hamstring injury. I love what I've seen from him
Speaker 7: so far. Yesterday he had a really good practice. I
Speaker 7: don't know that he makes this team, but I want
Speaker 7: to see. I want it to be a hard decision,
Speaker 7: and I think part of that is him balling out
Speaker 7: tomorrow and just the running back room just getting a
Speaker 7: little more interesting.
Speaker 9: You know what it kind of reminds me of was
Speaker 9: when Will Greer had his like going away party in
Speaker 9: twenty twenty three, and it was like, look, man, you're
Speaker 9: out of here after this, like.
Speaker 8: But here's your shryout after it. So I Spon just
Speaker 8: goes out there and runs for like one hundred and
Speaker 8: sixty yards.
Speaker 6: I would love that.
Speaker 8: I would genuinely love that because I would be incredible.
Speaker 8: I love him to write about. Please.
Speaker 7: I want the best for him because I really do
Speaker 7: believe that he will. He will figure some things out
Speaker 7: and contribute in a lot of ways. And I mean,
Speaker 7: just if we had more of a receiving running back situation,
Speaker 7: I think that would be great. But that's just not
Speaker 7: our offense at the moment. And hopefully he shows out
Speaker 7: maybe a practice squad situation, but I really hope he
Speaker 7: has a great game.
Speaker 5: They asked me that question last night on the broadcast,
Speaker 5: where does Deuce Vaughan fit on this roster? I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't know if he does, and it's just because
Speaker 5: of the room that they have. You're either going to
Speaker 5: keep two rookies, or you're gonna keep two veterans, and
Speaker 5: that's just kind of what it's gonna be. It's either
Speaker 5: gonna be Sanders and Williams uh and then pick Blue
Speaker 5: or MafA, which I think is a pretty easy case
Speaker 5: in Blue, or you're gonna pick Sander or excuse me,
Speaker 5: you're gonna pick Williams, and then you're gonna pick.
Speaker 1: Blue and MafA. To try and grow into those spots.
Speaker 5: I just don't know where running back another running back
Speaker 5: fits into that, especially.
Speaker 7: With his skill set keep lip key and yeah, with.
Speaker 1: His current skill set. He had an incredible practice last night.
Speaker 5: It was always good to hear the fans kind of
Speaker 5: chanting Duce and getting them in there.
Speaker 6: This is the guy you want to root for.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I hope he does go off in the
Speaker 5: in the matchup, and if it's not here, I hope
Speaker 5: he lands somewhere great and has an incredible career.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't look like it's gonna happen.
Speaker 9: You gonna throw one more question on and say before
Speaker 9: we get one more, we're trying to extend the show,
Speaker 9: you know, real quick, gotta go all right.
Speaker 1: I'm then you got ten minutes left all right, that's
Speaker 1: it for Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Chris Beam is kicking us off the air because he
Speaker 5: thinks he has more important things to do.
Speaker 1: When we come back on Monday, we will wrap up
Speaker 1: the preseason. Hopefully we'll have Isaiah.
Speaker 5: I know Isaiah is doing Good Morning Football next week,
Speaker 5: but he is currently on the couch watching from home.
Speaker 5: All the best wishes Isaiah. Gilbert gets our comment of
Speaker 5: the day. He said, has Isaiah been placed on ir
Speaker 5: or is he on pup? Best wishes for speedy recovery.
Speaker 1: He's just on pup. Don't worry.
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