Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
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Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Tree Hill fans, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: You have me and Robert Buckley today and a very
Speaker 2: special guest. How you doing, rob.
Speaker 5: I'm doing well. It's good to see you.
Speaker 2: You too.
Speaker 5: You have you look kind of like you just stepped
Speaker 5: off the set of Grease. Right now you're out describe
Speaker 5: it to the people, because I'm a guy and I
Speaker 5: wouldn't be able to describe it.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 2: I've got a light pink satin headband and a light
Speaker 2: pink and orange satin shirt. This is uh. This is
Speaker 2: one of the wonderful things about knowing how to get
Speaker 2: ready really fast is you find you have glamorous things
Speaker 2: in your closet. And about ten minutes ago, I was
Speaker 2: laying in my bed with greasy hair and overnight T
Speaker 2: shirt because I've been working from my bed all morning.
Speaker 2: I just got up a flight yesterdam exhausted.
Speaker 1: I just put on the same black T shirt every day,
Speaker 1: the same black T shirt. That's it. I will say, though,
Speaker 1: that you guys were pretty cruel having me on right
Speaker 1: after the Golden Bachelorette premiere. It did a lot of
Speaker 1: crying last night.
Speaker 2: Oh no, well, actually, our audience doesn't even know who
Speaker 2: you are yet. We have to tell ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: the voice that you're hearing is Michael Grubbs aka Wakey
Speaker 2: Wakey aka Grubs, the bartender in One Tree Hill. Akay,
Speaker 2: got your ghost.
Speaker 1: Hi, it's me, It's me. It's so cool to be here.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, of course, buddy, thanks for being here. Listen,
Speaker 5: y'all gott to hop on the YouTube to check out
Speaker 5: a Joy's cool retrofit and be just the monster glow
Speaker 5: up that Grubs has had. I mean, he was a
Speaker 5: handsome guy before, but you got to see what he
Speaker 5: has going on now. He looks like a man who
Speaker 5: figured it out right.
Speaker 1: I would say, Robert Buckley, someone who is literally I mean,
Speaker 1: so many memes made of just your gorgeousness, and for
Speaker 1: you to say that to me, just based on how
Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's big, it's big words.
Speaker 2: So I am, why does your skin still look exactly
Speaker 2: the same like baby skin? What's going on?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, honestly what it is. It's a setting
Speaker 1: on Zoom that you can put on called make me
Speaker 1: not look like crap, and it's it's it's an add on.
Speaker 1: I got it's pretty expensive, but uh no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think honestly. My beard turns so white
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm allergic to die, so I can't dye
Speaker 1: my beard. It will it burns my face off. So
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a natural guy, and I kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that's it. It's it's because of
Speaker 1: the wild whiteness of my beard next to my face,
Speaker 1: and it makes me look better skinned.
Speaker 2: Do you still have the softest beard in the world.
Speaker 1: No, the softest beer in the world now belongs to
Speaker 1: my dog bus He's yeah, sitting here say he's way
Speaker 1: softer than I am. But that is very sweet of
Speaker 1: you to say. Now I'm blushing.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Rob, I was gonna say, Grubbs is using
Speaker 5: the filter that's called doesn't have kids.
Speaker 1: It is it is hound dogs instead of kids. It's
Speaker 1: the best way to stay young.
Speaker 5: Oh, sleep, it'll keep you youthful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been doing it lately. It's great.
Speaker 5: Thank you for being here today, buddy. I've been excited
Speaker 5: for you to be on. I kind of started on
Speaker 5: this podcast basically I left the show and then kind
Speaker 5: of never revisited it. So when I joined the podcast,
Speaker 5: I was sort of kind of watching the show as
Speaker 5: like a first time viewer, and so all of it.
Speaker 5: I remember some stuff, you know, but there's have been
Speaker 5: a lot of surprises, and you were such a fantastic
Speaker 5: surprise this season. And i've because the truth is like,
Speaker 5: we didn't interact very much, so I didn't really know
Speaker 5: your story, and it has been so much fun to
Speaker 5: watch you do your thing. And then when this episode happened,
Speaker 5: you know, and you play your first song, it was like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is we got we gotta bring him in for
Speaker 5: this man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have so many questions for you, but actually,
Speaker 2: would you do us the honors of reading the synopsis?
Speaker 1: Here we go synopsis by Grubbs. Episode seven hundred and twelve,
Speaker 1: or seven one two as the kids call it. Season seven,
Speaker 1: episode twelve, Some Roads Lead Nowhere. The air date was
Speaker 1: December seventh, two thousand and nine. As Nathan and Haley
Speaker 1: prepare for the Famili's move to Barcelona, Brooks struggles to
Speaker 1: accept Julian's reaction to Alex's crisis. Quinn helps Clay hatch
Speaker 1: a plan to win back Nathan as a client. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Millie's downward spiral puts her and Mouth at a crossroads,
Speaker 1: and Dan Scott's pronouncement shocks Rachel and his audience.
Speaker 5: Y nice, no notes?
Speaker 2: All right, so new kid in high school? How did
Speaker 2: it feel well coming onto the show for the first time?
Speaker 2: Wintree Hill? How did the job come about? How did
Speaker 2: it feel coming onto the set that was already kind
Speaker 2: of a well oiled machine at that point? Like? What
Speaker 2: was your vibe?
Speaker 1: I mean, my story is crazy. I might as well
Speaker 1: be like an astronaut that got dropped on the moon.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was walking into. I
Speaker 1: had never been on a film set, or a television
Speaker 1: set or anything. My origin story with the show involves
Speaker 1: me playing at an open mic in New York and
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and being spotted by Shane Fuel, one of the
Speaker 1: writers on the show. Yeah, and Shana, who has to
Speaker 1: this day like a good I sang at her wedding.
Speaker 1: But I when I I went to this open mic
Speaker 1: just to hang out and I saw Shana, and to
Speaker 1: be totally honest with everyone, I really wanted to flirt
Speaker 1: with her. I wanted, and I didn't know her, and
Speaker 1: I was scared of her. So I asked my friend
Speaker 1: that ran the open mic to set me up to
Speaker 1: sing next so she would like hear me sing and
Speaker 1: then I'd be confident enough to talk to her. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I've seen these songs. I went over and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of sauntered up, and she like, she
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna stop you right there. I'm wearing
Speaker 1: a giant engagement ring and I know that you don't
Speaker 1: see that because you're like a guy from Brooklyn, but
Speaker 1: this is this is it. I'm flattered that, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: but I want to talk to you about your songs
Speaker 1: and this show. And so the next week she brought
Speaker 1: the boss out to see the same open mic. I
Speaker 1: sang the same songs, and they started using the songs
Speaker 1: on the show. That led to basically me somehow having
Speaker 1: a relationship with a cast and I was a bartender
Speaker 1: at this plays Schiller's liquor bar that was like kind
Speaker 1: of like a cool spot in Brooklyn. And so anytime
Speaker 1: the cast came to New York for like you know,
Speaker 1: what's upfronts or stuff like that. I don't know, anytime
Speaker 1: they were in New York, a crew would always come
Speaker 1: to the bar and hang out.
Speaker 2: No way, no, wait, hold on a second.
Speaker 5: Yeah you actually you were grubs in real life before
Speaker 5: you were grubs on One Tree Hill.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you guys don't know the story. This
Speaker 1: story is, yeah, this is this is this is the
Speaker 1: coolest thing of the whole thing. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: like the craziest of luck ever. So they would come
Speaker 1: to the and it got to the point though, like
Speaker 1: the first time everybody like there was like maybe six
Speaker 1: or seven folks came and sat at the bar. And
Speaker 1: Schiller's was like an intense environment to be in, like
Speaker 1: it was a wild place. It was very cool. It
Speaker 1: was loud. Everyone came and sat down. I threw menus
Speaker 1: in front of everyone and everyone was like, uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I was super busy, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, guys, I know what. You
Speaker 1: all want to drink, I'm just gonna make your drinks.
Speaker 2: Stop it right now.
Speaker 1: This is real, Swear to god, it's a completely true story.
Speaker 1: And we talked, yeah totally, and so I just made
Speaker 1: drinks for everyone because it was like a great bar.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like a cocktail bar before
Speaker 1: cocktail bars like that really existed kind of in New York.
Speaker 1: So I made everyone just like really delicious, fancy cocktails
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, this is awesome, and like it
Speaker 1: was I think to the point where like James, I
Speaker 1: like cracked open a beer and gave him like a
Speaker 1: you know, everyone, I nailed it. It was awesome. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that became beyond the show grubs, the bartender that could
Speaker 1: guess everyone's strengths. But yeah, so fast forward to I
Speaker 1: made my first record and nobody knew who we were
Speaker 1: and it was clear we were never going to be successful.
Speaker 2: Wait wait wait, why why was it clear you wouldever
Speaker 2: going to be successful? Then you can't just skip.
Speaker 1: Over that nobody cared, nobody cared about our music whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It was wild. I mean, it's just I feel like
Speaker 1: this is probably the experience that so many musicians have too,
Speaker 1: because music is such a fickle thing, and I was
Speaker 1: the exact same guy that I am now is the
Speaker 1: exact same guy that played the music on the show.
Speaker 1: And I would go to bars and I would play
Speaker 1: my music and everyone would just talk over it and
Speaker 1: nobody cared. I remember, like before the first sync placement happened,
Speaker 1: I was already in my thirties, and I called my
Speaker 1: mom and I was like, you know what like and
Speaker 1: my parents were musicians too, and they were super proud
Speaker 1: of me that I was trying to be a musician
Speaker 1: in New York. And I called my mom and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know, I just can't make this work.
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't really want to do it
Speaker 1: anymore because I can't. Nobody cares, and it's it's so
Speaker 1: hard to care about something so much and I have
Speaker 1: nobody care. And then so I told her I was
Speaker 1: gonna quit and get another job. I hadn't variable with
Speaker 1: the other job was going to be yet. And then
Speaker 1: the first sync happened, which was on season six, and
Speaker 1: it was Worstweater was the song and they played it
Speaker 1: like front to back, and the next day that song
Speaker 1: was like number thirteen on the iTunes charts at the time,
Speaker 1: and I called my mom and I was like, suck.
Speaker 1: That's the power of this show for music. I mean,
Speaker 1: it would it was wild. It made my career. Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, like you were ready to give up, you were done?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was out. I was done. And it's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, at some point, I know we have to
Speaker 1: talk about some roads leading to nowhere.
Speaker 5: But the we'll get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, So anyway, fast forward, that placement happens.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. People start to know who my band is.
Speaker 1: The cast is coming to the bar to hang out.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing everybody's drinks. And then I finished my first record.
Speaker 1: I invite the boss of the show to come out
Speaker 1: to New York. I play him the record and he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna write you a role on the show.
Speaker 1: He's like, because these songs are too good for people
Speaker 1: not to know them, which is like very flattering, and
Speaker 1: I did not believe it for a second. He was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write you a role. You're gonna play yourself.
Speaker 1: Your character is gonna be grubs. You're gonna be a
Speaker 1: bartender that knows what everybody wants to drink. And then
Speaker 1: we're gonna set you up as like this hero character
Speaker 1: and everyone's gonna we're gonna make you really lovable, and
Speaker 1: then halfway through the season, we're gonna reveal that you're
Speaker 1: a musician. And I was like, sure, buddy, sounds great.
Speaker 1: I'll like awesome and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, wait by the phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'll be here waiting, And literally month later,
Speaker 1: I was i'd like played some shows on tour, and
Speaker 1: I was on my way back from like the saddest,
Speaker 1: most empty show in the world in the back of
Speaker 1: this van and my phone rang and it was a
Speaker 1: show and they were like, hey, we're doing this weekend
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I gotta work. I gotta
Speaker 1: you know, I'm at the bar and they were like,
Speaker 1: do you think you could cover it? And I was
Speaker 1: like maybe, and they're like, yeah, we really want you
Speaker 1: to come down and tape your first episode and I
Speaker 1: was like what. So then I went to the bar
Speaker 1: and told him that I had to start taking the show.
Speaker 1: Everyone was super scited. My manager at the bar, who
Speaker 1: was like kind of a jerk to be fair, like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I think it's really unfair to
Speaker 1: frame people that aren't here to protect themselves. But he
Speaker 1: was a tough manager, I guess is a good way
Speaker 1: to stay. Had always wanted to be an actor, and
Speaker 1: he got super nervous when I told him, and he
Speaker 1: was almost like, oh, like that's so cool, Like do
Speaker 1: you think they're you know, would love to hear more
Speaker 1: about that or whatever for me exactly. And I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: Does this bar have a manager? Yeah? We already do.
Speaker 1: They already do.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, fast forward then like we uh, I went
Speaker 1: down started taking the show, and I ended up quitting
Speaker 1: that job and becoming a musician for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's really awesome. So that's my My origin story is wild.
Speaker 1: It's wild, like I got struck by lightning.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: You're Marilyn Monroe getting discovered at the soda shop like
Speaker 2: that story, Harrison Ford in the constructions shop at at Warnerboro,
Speaker 2: Like that's amazing.
Speaker 5: But it's even cooler because I think the neatest part
Speaker 5: about your character. I was seeing this the other day
Speaker 5: was this. I genuinely had a moment of going, what
Speaker 5: a really clever idea the writers came up with with him.
Speaker 5: His thing is that he can guess people's drinks, So
Speaker 5: it's like you didn't just get discovered. They've kind of
Speaker 5: discovered the entire character in what you were doing. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: It so cool?
Speaker 1: Is it true? So I just heard this too, Like
Speaker 1: I was one of my friends. Did you guys watch
Speaker 1: the show Girls? You remember Girls?
Speaker 2: Only a few episodes?
Speaker 1: Okay, so Girls Elena Dunmaman show that was massive. Evidently
Speaker 1: there was a character on that show that was a
Speaker 1: singer songwriter in New York that got cast on One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill and was on One Tree Hill playing himself.
Speaker 1: And one of my friends came to his last week
Speaker 1: and told me that, and I was like, I've never
Speaker 1: heard about that, and I would have heard about that.
Speaker 1: And then my partner was like, that's a thing. Like
Speaker 1: that's a thing. And not only that, it's cousin from
Speaker 1: the Bear. The dude who plays cousin on The Bear
Speaker 1: played me on Girls. And I just found this out. Anyway,
Speaker 1: everyone at home, if you if you can get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of this, I'm I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: We need to see this episode. I need rest of
Speaker 2: my life. How do we find it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like a long character in the whole
Speaker 1: thing is that he was like on one Tree Hill,
Speaker 1: So he was like cool musician guy, and I'm like.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, those be like me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was dramatized on a show I dramatized myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's fun to this day. Anytime I'm at a
Speaker 1: party and someone asks anything about drinks, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: got you. And I was like, it's cool. I've played
Speaker 1: a Barts and Run TV and I can I can
Speaker 1: take it from there, so it's pretty cool.
Speaker 5: That's wild.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: What did you think watching this episode? Did you have
Speaker 5: any big takeaways?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I first off, like I am totally
Speaker 1: in your camp bluckily, Like I I really never watched
Speaker 1: the show, like because I came from like this weird
Speaker 1: little group of Brooklyn hipsters that was like I didn't
Speaker 1: even own a TV when the show came out, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like literally didn't own a TV.
Speaker 1: And it just like I knew that One Trial was
Speaker 1: the thing, but like I didn't know anything about it,
Speaker 1: and and like literally to the point of when I
Speaker 1: went down there the first time, we all went out
Speaker 1: for drinks and I knew James. I'd never met Stephen Kaletti,
Speaker 1: and James was like, hey, we're going to meet you
Speaker 1: the place me and Steven are coming down. I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: Didn't know who Stephen was, but just pretended that I
Speaker 1: did because I was so scared of everything at the time.
Speaker 1: So I was like, of course Stephen Klady's going to
Speaker 1: be there, having no idea met him, hung out with
Speaker 1: him all night long, and then halfway through the night,
Speaker 1: had a little aside with him and I was like, so,
Speaker 1: how do you know all these people? Like what brings
Speaker 1: you to a woman? He was like, I'm actually like
Speaker 1: a pretty big character on the show. And I was like, cool,
Speaker 1: That's always been my little secret with him that I yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And when the show aired, we would have like
Speaker 1: viewing parties in Brooklyn with a bunch of my friends
Speaker 1: and we would all just be drinking the whole time.
Speaker 1: And then anytime I was on TV, everyone would yell
Speaker 1: he's on, he's on, He's on, and everyone would like
Speaker 1: come over and have a little moment, and then the
Speaker 1: scene would end and everyone be like yay, and then
Speaker 1: we'd like go back to party mode. So I never
Speaker 1: really like took the show's in and I had this
Speaker 1: I thought I knew what this show was, and in
Speaker 1: watching this, what I've realized is that I had no
Speaker 1: idea what this show was. Like I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's like a hindsight twenty twenty thing, but I think
Speaker 1: like all the assumption that I had about this show
Speaker 1: were wrong. And I kind of want to go like
Speaker 1: engage with all the fans and be like, I didn't
Speaker 1: really know what you guys were watching, Like that's wild,
Speaker 1: like that show and it's funny because I thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be like like when you like bust open,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think it's exactly like busting open
Speaker 1: to Brittany Spears record. Like you're like, in your mind,
Speaker 1: you're like like this is kind of like a guilty pleasure,
Speaker 1: and then you open it and you're like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: this is pretty good. Actually, like this is actually like
Speaker 1: and it's fun. Like thinking about the show, it's like
Speaker 1: there's so there are a lot of things that the
Speaker 1: show got wrong right, but there's so many things they
Speaker 1: got right. Like the way it was showcasing music was wild.
Speaker 1: The way it was showcasing these things was awesome, Like
Speaker 1: and you know, I I see in this story, like
Speaker 1: the you know, there were so many times that they
Speaker 1: were trying to say positive things like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, all the mills and storyline they're trying to say,
Speaker 1: like hey, like don't kill yourself, Like that's stupid, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's a bad idea to go
Speaker 1: kill yourself, you know. Like the way that they were like,
Speaker 1: we're dramatizing this, but we're also trying to undramatize it
Speaker 1: at the same time. I saw the effort they were
Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing in that instance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a lot of times they really tried
Speaker 2: to deal with real issues, and it wasn't always right.
Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes I think they've used a lot of
Speaker 2: things that were real issues just as a dramatic device
Speaker 2: instead of actually dealing with them properly. But there were
Speaker 2: a lot of times too when they really made an
Speaker 2: effort and put time and care into the characters and
Speaker 2: those storylines. And I think this was a good episode
Speaker 2: for you to have watched in that case, knowing that
Speaker 2: you haven't really seen it much before, spent time with it,
Speaker 2: because it moved pretty fast and it felt like all
Speaker 2: the characters were really moving forward. There was a lot happening,
Speaker 2: and every scene felt like a coda for the whole movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole show felt like the end of
Speaker 2: an episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I found myself going this had to have
Speaker 5: been on mid season finale, right, Yes. It was my
Speaker 5: feeling like this episode tried to do the most in
Speaker 5: my opinion, you know, rather than like, let's hit a
Speaker 5: couple singles, a couple doubles, a couple of triples, maybe
Speaker 5: a home run or two, it was every single at bat,
Speaker 5: We're swinging for the fences, and I think it succeeded
Speaker 5: in a couple of them, and it really swung and
Speaker 5: missed on a few as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did feel like it was like my takeaway
Speaker 1: from this that my grand takeaway is like this episode
Speaker 1: was everybody's hero shot. Like everybody had their hero moment
Speaker 1: in this episode where it was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Like even like the first shot of you by the
Speaker 1: pool Buckley is just like this, it's just it's it
Speaker 1: feels like the end of a Tom Cruise movie, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like the sun setting in the background,
Speaker 1: you're like perfectly tan, and you're sitting there and you
Speaker 1: just like take your phone and flip it into the pool.
Speaker 1: You're like I have nothing for outside conversation. I'm fine alone. Like,
Speaker 1: it was just this hero shot of you, and that
Speaker 1: continued throughout the show. Everyone had their little like hero moment.
Speaker 2: You know that's great. Yeah. I liked the opening too,
Speaker 2: and I liked seeing let me, let's talk about Clay.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed watching Clay get to this point where
Speaker 2: he's happy. I mean, you've been so tortured since we
Speaker 2: met you. This was really cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I had fun with the Clay and Quinn stuff.
Speaker 5: I enjoyed all of that because, like last episode, it
Speaker 5: was odd because she was just making so much effort
Speaker 5: that wasn't being reciprocated by Clay, and I found myself going, okay,
Speaker 5: but this doesn't feel balanced. But I liked it because
Speaker 5: they kind of got on the same page on this one.
Speaker 5: One of the things I did remember was the dance tryout,
Speaker 5: which all of the gold Stars for Chantel because there
Speaker 5: is no there is no vanity in comedy, and she
Speaker 5: did not hold back, no one ounce. She went fall
Speaker 5: on and it works. It's hilarious and iconic because she
Speaker 5: committed like that. But I just I respect the hell
Speaker 5: out of the choice to like, I'm going to make
Speaker 5: myself look as silly as possible. Yes, that was also great.
Speaker 1: Were you guys there when they've Oh of course you
Speaker 1: were there, Buckley, But I don't like I was not.
Speaker 1: So I went to set that day for numerous reasons,
Speaker 1: which we'll get into, but I'm pretty sure I rode
Speaker 1: with Chantale to set, like for some reason, I was
Speaker 1: in their van or something. And I remember her being
Speaker 1: just terrified of having to like put on that outfit
Speaker 1: and go out there and do that stuff. Like this
Speaker 1: show really has a way of taking women and making
Speaker 1: them put on outfits they don't they're not comfortable, like
Speaker 1: forcing that. I remember it happened in India in the
Speaker 1: craziest way. Oh yeah, and so she I remember her
Speaker 1: feeling very stressed about that, but then the way that
Speaker 1: she did the dance everything, because it wasn't just like
Speaker 1: a close set. There was a whole crowd of cheerleaders
Speaker 1: standing there watching. The bleachers were full, like I remember
Speaker 1: there being a ton of people there and and just
Speaker 1: her being so stressed, and she was I mean, she
Speaker 1: pulled it off. She was so funny and great. I
Speaker 1: think we had extra drinks that night.
Speaker 2: I believe it now. She did. She committed wholeheartedly and
Speaker 2: that's why it worked. And the build up to that
Speaker 2: of her when you were parked with the car on
Speaker 2: the phone call and she's trying to feed the cow
Speaker 2: behind you, and there was all the.
Speaker 1: Incredible, incredible.
Speaker 5: I did have a moment again. There was some real
Speaker 5: head scratchers in this one for me, and one of
Speaker 5: them came early, pretty early on, when I don't know
Speaker 5: if it's early on, but Clay, whose house is literally
Speaker 5: on the beach, gets fully dressed for a day of work.
Speaker 5: I'm talking dress, shoes, sport coat, slacks, and walks straight
Speaker 5: from his house where he has swimming trunks and other
Speaker 5: outfit choices, and he walked straight into the ocean, leaving
Speaker 5: his coat on the beach. I'm just thinking, why put
Speaker 5: those clothes on, Bud. Your house is right, You didn't
Speaker 5: have to commute here from the office.
Speaker 6: It was a.
Speaker 2: Spontaneous thought, that's it. He wasn't planning on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his own rules.
Speaker 5: But there's stuff. The clack Quinn stuff I thought was nice.
Speaker 5: I like the way it ended, you know, that was
Speaker 5: very sweet.
Speaker 2: I was actually confused about that, and maybe I missed something.
Speaker 2: But when she says no, and then has this big
Speaker 2: kind of dramatic pause and then says, I'll come out
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You're like, I'll come in, and she says, no, I'll
Speaker 2: come out, as though she's been holding back and now
Speaker 2: she's somehow coming towards you.
Speaker 5: I didn't understand, yeah, because in a previous episode we
Speaker 5: talked about what we were afraid of and she said
Speaker 5: it's the ocean, and Clay goes why she says, because
Speaker 5: of the immensity. That's why earlier in the car I
Speaker 5: make a comment about I was thinking about the ocean
Speaker 5: and the immensity.
Speaker 2: And all that I missed it, thank you.
Speaker 5: The part that confused me about that was I don't
Speaker 5: think Clay knew she was coming. So it's like, again, bro,
Speaker 5: why are you fully dressed in the ocean? Again? What
Speaker 5: is happening in your house is literally right there and
Speaker 5: you are shoes, saws, the whole nine.
Speaker 1: Don't think too hard about it, Robert, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's yeah, you guys look great. I remember also,
Speaker 1: wasn't it like freezing cold that day? Yes? I remember
Speaker 1: that being a discussion. That was like when you guys
Speaker 1: were going into the water to tape you were like,
Speaker 1: it's it's like the waters like thirty degrees or something
Speaker 1: like that was.
Speaker 5: Like bar Dick, it was chilly the day Paul drowned
Speaker 5: me as well. It was cold there a lot. But yeah,
Speaker 5: speaking of having to sort of not like do any
Speaker 5: investigating or look too closely at it, I have issues
Speaker 5: with uh okay. So Alex obviously tries to unlive herself
Speaker 5: in the bathtub. She goes to the hospital when apparently
Speaker 5: Milly finds out. I'm assuming she got a call somehow.
Speaker 5: I was very curious as to why. Rather than go
Speaker 5: to the hospital, she chooses to go to the hotel room,
Speaker 5: which apparently the door is still wide open, and sit
Speaker 5: in the blood and cry. And then as I'm sitting there,
Speaker 5: going what the hell, mouth walks in, who is very
Speaker 5: rational at this point, unlike Milly, and I'm thinking, good,
Speaker 5: pick your girl up, get her out of the blood,
Speaker 5: and you know, go have a talk. No, no, he
Speaker 5: sits down in the bigger puddle of blood next to her.
Speaker 5: In what world would you not be either going to
Speaker 5: check on your friend cleaning up the blood, but instead
Speaker 5: you're like, I'm gonna I'm gonna take these dnim pants
Speaker 5: and pop them down in that blood.
Speaker 1: What I feel like, You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, get
Speaker 1: out of the blood, Milly, Milly, come on instead, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing this.
Speaker 2: This is the wrong place to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I totally agree. I thought it was really strange
Speaker 2: as well. Did she get a phone call? I missed
Speaker 2: the phone call? She got one.
Speaker 5: The reason why, here's the only way that makes sense
Speaker 5: to me, is because if she didn't get a phone call,
Speaker 5: that means she showed up to Alex's room. The door
Speaker 5: was open, no one was in there, there was blood everywhere,
Speaker 5: and she decided to cry and sit in the act
Speaker 5: of crime scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is worth us?
Speaker 5: Which is worse? So I just told myself, Okay, she
Speaker 5: had to get a phone call. The other confusing thing
Speaker 5: is so Julian's in the hospital with her, and I think, obviously,
Speaker 5: and he saves her life whatever I'm thinking. Okay, he
Speaker 5: checked his phone and got her voicemail at the end
Speaker 5: of last episode. Okay, I guess that makes sense. He
Speaker 5: kicked down her door. He asked the hotel phone room,
Speaker 5: a room key. Whatever. No, they make a point of
Speaker 5: saying I was coming by, he says, I was coming
Speaker 5: by your apartment to tell you we got financing. And
Speaker 5: then so I'm thinking to myself, Dude, if you just
Speaker 5: casually popped by her hotel room and not and no
Speaker 5: one answered, in.
Speaker 2: What world you went in?
Speaker 5: Would you a do you have a room key? If so, bro,
Speaker 5: your boundaries are horrible And if you don't, why would
Speaker 5: you think like, I should probably get the hotel to
Speaker 5: let me in. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: No, it's full of holes. There's so many problems. This
Speaker 2: was one of my biggest issues working on the show
Speaker 2: that I felt like I was constantly trying to help
Speaker 2: solve these problems. I thought I was helping, and I
Speaker 2: was really just exhausting everyone because nobody wanted to think
Speaker 2: about that hard but it is. It drives me crazy
Speaker 2: because when you watch it, you're like, this doesn't make sense,
Speaker 2: and it could like it's not that hard to make
Speaker 2: a few adjustments to make something make sense. And then
Speaker 2: you're not asking the audience to suspend reality further than
Speaker 2: they've already decided to by sitting down and turning on
Speaker 2: a television. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yes? I also felt like on the heels of last
Speaker 5: week's episode when we were talking about directing, and you
Speaker 5: asked me if I ever wanted to direct, and I said, yeah,
Speaker 5: but it's intimidating. Not gonna lie. Halfway through this episode,
Speaker 5: I found myself going, I think I could do this.
Speaker 5: If this is it, I can do it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely. Another questionable choice in this episode. You,
Speaker 2: I mean, Michael, you sit down, Michael. What do you
Speaker 2: prefer people to call you Grubs or Mike? Where do
Speaker 2: you go by?
Speaker 1: I go with all of it. I do Mike or
Speaker 1: I do Michael. And honestly, either way, I'm gonna judge you.
Speaker 1: If you call me Mike, I'll be like, okay, have
Speaker 1: you call me Michael. I'll be like, all right, that's
Speaker 1: a little you know what I mean. There's no right choice.
Speaker 2: No, but you sit down at the piano. You sit
Speaker 2: down at the piano, and I'm like, oh god, this
Speaker 2: is great. They're going to do the big reveal, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, this great shot that's set up
Speaker 2: for you to surprise us goes into an overhead crane
Speaker 2: shot and there's like six different setups of you playing
Speaker 2: the piano that is so distracting. It looks like it's
Speaker 2: not actually you play, saying because they keep cutting away
Speaker 2: from your face and your hands. I was I was
Speaker 2: frustrated watching that. It really was like as an audience member,
Speaker 2: it was one of those moments I thought, you can
Speaker 2: trust me. I'm here with the story, Like you really
Speaker 2: don't have to do all this stuff. Just leave the
Speaker 2: camera there and I would like to enjoy this moment.
Speaker 2: Please stop doing things.
Speaker 1: It felt like it was like almost like to for
Speaker 1: the time. So two things. One, in their defense, the
Speaker 1: opening to that song is not to a click, so
Speaker 1: it is not actually it's like you know, typically I
Speaker 1: guess for people at home, the arm familiarly. Typically when
Speaker 1: you record music, there's a click track on so you
Speaker 1: can recreate the performance over and over. So that was
Speaker 1: just a live single take of me doing that. So
Speaker 1: it's really hard to match that. So maybe they were
Speaker 1: trying to match it with my fingers and I was
Speaker 1: doing a poor job. In their defense. One two, I
Speaker 1: think they go into this this is what a show
Speaker 1: does when music is played mindset, where it's like we're
Speaker 1: bouncing around, we've got moving things, we've got whatever he's
Speaker 1: got to shake. I remember like playing it and being
Speaker 1: like can you move more? And I was like not
Speaker 1: in play the piano successfully, and it's like the cuts
Speaker 1: of it, it's just like I'm shaking my head when
Speaker 1: I'm like not doing anything and I'm like doing And
Speaker 1: I remember, like when I hit the first note, they
Speaker 1: were like, make it dramatic, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, but like when you actually play
Speaker 1: a piano, you don't just like smack it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I like did the first like thing.
Speaker 1: I hit it and I felt like I like, I
Speaker 1: was like, did I just break my finger? My finger?
Speaker 1: And I was like, uh, just keep going power through.
Speaker 1: I was fine, but I hit it so hard I
Speaker 1: almost hurt myself. Yeah, But I mean they're like, wait, you.
Speaker 5: Could just if you could just like kiss your hand
Speaker 5: before you slap the keys and blow on it like
Speaker 5: it's on fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly perfect.
Speaker 5: But joy, You're right. There were again, there was so
Speaker 5: there were some shots where I felt the same way
Speaker 5: where it was like, oh my gosh, just trust the audience.
Speaker 5: There was a moment in Clay's kitchen where she goes
Speaker 5: where Quinn says, hey, I talk to your old assistant.
Speaker 5: I don't even know why. But then she goes you know.
Speaker 5: The piece of news I got was so and So's
Speaker 5: mom is sick. And it pans to like like a
Speaker 5: cowboy shot, meaning like down to like a little like
Speaker 5: between my knees and my waist of Clay and it
Speaker 5: zooms into my face for an aha moment. Oh god,
Speaker 5: And I couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: It's commercial directing tied.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, oh, Clay just had a thought. It was
Speaker 5: like did you did you need to what? It just
Speaker 5: it took me out of the moment, like what are we?
Speaker 5: What are we doing?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I really really loved the stuff with Dan.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that was so good.
Speaker 2: Such a winning storyline for me in this episode.
Speaker 5: He's a master of stillness.
Speaker 2: I have that too. Paul is where is it? I did?
Speaker 2: Paul is so good at stillness. I wrote it down.
Speaker 2: He is. He was just so dropped in and centered
Speaker 2: and didn't have to do anything, did everything with his eyes.
Speaker 2: Oh so underrated. I love him.
Speaker 1: He always scared me so much.
Speaker 2: In real life or on the show.
Speaker 1: In real life and scared me so much. There were
Speaker 1: certain actors on the show I was scared. I think
Speaker 1: it was just because they were so good, Like, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean they were so like I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was definitely one of those Antoine also skills, like
Speaker 1: I felt, I was like, he's so he just lives
Speaker 1: this character so much. I remember having a scene with
Speaker 1: him and being terrified to do.
Speaker 2: It because have you ever done any acting before?
Speaker 1: I mean, so I got a degree in musical theater
Speaker 1: in college. Yeah, and I was gonna I was on
Speaker 1: like the Broadway route for a long time. I actually
Speaker 1: like did touring musical theater for a minute. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that was my thing. So I was
Speaker 1: going to be the singing actor. And I hated it though.
Speaker 1: I was very It just was doing the same thing
Speaker 1: every single night. But you guys know, acting on a
Speaker 1: stage and acting on a set are such completely different
Speaker 1: skill sets. And I yeah, I didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what a mark was like the first time. Like
Speaker 1: the mark is a little expert you have to stand on.
Speaker 1: And they were like, you should stand on that. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll work on it, and they were like, no,
Speaker 1: you really should. You should stand right on that. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, cool, And yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 1: a there's a real technicality to screen acting that I
Speaker 1: think i'd never ever gotten. Luckily, you guys were such
Speaker 1: saints with me about explaining what everything was, and you
Speaker 1: were all so patient with me and wonderful me. I remember,
Speaker 1: it's so India, my you know, who played Miranda on
Speaker 1: the show, my love interest, like her her now husband
Speaker 1: would actually like fly in and they would give me
Speaker 1: like acting lessons and we would do like scene work
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 3: Did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we tried so hard to make me not a
Speaker 1: bad actor for this show.
Speaker 2: Great. That's what was so fascinating that. I mean now
Speaker 2: knowing that you had musical theater training that is informative,
Speaker 2: but you were so natural, you were so comfortable. It
Speaker 2: seemed like you were completely unaware of the camera, unaware
Speaker 2: of yourself, and you were just there in the moment
Speaker 2: with the other people in the scene. That's actually it
Speaker 2: seems to be very hard to do for a lot
Speaker 2: of people. You were great.
Speaker 5: I wish i'd know they literally wrote you into the show.
Speaker 5: I think trying to act would have really been a mistake.
Speaker 5: The best thing you could do is to not act
Speaker 5: and just be like, what would I do in this situation? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, because they just took you and put you
Speaker 5: on the show. They didn't even take the time to
Speaker 5: change your name, like this is Gavin. It was like, no,
Speaker 5: he's grubs. He picked strings in your life, that's him.
Speaker 1: When I got to set the first time, I remember,
Speaker 1: I went into the hair and makeup trailer and they
Speaker 1: were like, you're not allowed to They were like we
Speaker 1: were We've been told we're not allowed to touch you
Speaker 1: when I first walked in, Like we're not allowed to
Speaker 1: cut your hair, we're not allowed to do anything. We
Speaker 1: have to wait or whatever until like the boss came
Speaker 1: and like signed off on everything, and like it was
Speaker 1: funny because the reason I had long hair on the
Speaker 1: show is because I was so poor that I hadn't
Speaker 1: I just was like haircuts. I can't really afford haircuts
Speaker 1: at this point in life, so I had not gotten
Speaker 1: my haircut in like eight months or something, so my
Speaker 1: hair had just grown out and I had like long
Speaker 1: hair on the show. And then I got there and
Speaker 1: they were like, we love what you've done with your hair,
Speaker 1: and I was like, actually, like the cruel, the cruel
Speaker 1: you know, society and the world exactly. Yeah, it's so wild,
Speaker 1: Like I mean talk about like feeling like I was
Speaker 1: on me Like I remember like my power got cut
Speaker 1: off at my apartment at one point before I like
Speaker 1: went to shoot because I was just so poor and
Speaker 1: like and you know, it's just that's but you know,
Speaker 1: then I got that uh that uh one Tree Hill.
Speaker 2: Did you think you were going to stay longer than
Speaker 2: an episode? Like once? Once the episode was over, were
Speaker 2: you like, Wow, that was cool, but there's no way
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep doing this, Like yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I I never knew exactly what was going on,
Speaker 1: and I was always so terrified of everything and everyone
Speaker 1: to ask you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember one time I betany you'll you'll you'll love Like
Speaker 1: I remember seeing that you got a cucumber sandwich one
Speaker 1: time from Crafty and I was like, yeah, that looks dope.
Speaker 1: That sandwich looks awesome, Like it's like cucumber is a
Speaker 1: little like something. I don't know what it was, but
Speaker 1: I was like and I went over to Crafty and
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, can I'm one of those and
Speaker 1: they're like, we we really only do that for her,
Speaker 1: and I was like, OK. Things, and I like there
Speaker 1: were like a few things that happened like that that
Speaker 1: just kind of like smacked me into place, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, cool, I'm definitely like basically a glorified extra.
Speaker 2: That makes me so mad. I wish you had just
Speaker 2: been like, they won't make me your sandwich? Can I have?
Speaker 2: When I've been like, yeah, here eat this, I'll go
Speaker 2: get a different one.
Speaker 5: I know that you would too, in the audacity that
Speaker 5: it's not like a like a faux grass sound word,
Speaker 5: like it's not like you know, like sliders, it's cucumbers.
Speaker 2: It's not hidden in the back of the fridge.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's wild. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were so many wa things like that, but just yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't remember what your initial question was,
Speaker 1: but the answer is, yes, well.
Speaker 2: We were talking about pup Paul scared you. But then
Speaker 2: oh yeah, but let's talk about Dan and Rachel because
Speaker 2: I think that I feel like it's finally happened. I hope.
Speaker 2: I don't eat my words, but I think Dan actually
Speaker 2: might really be turning a corner this time.
Speaker 5: I I agree again, I don't know anything, I like,
Speaker 5: I genuinely don't member I remember there. I remember two
Speaker 5: things that happen in the rest of the series with him,
Speaker 5: and neither of them, well one of them is admirable
Speaker 5: and the other one I don't remember why it happens,
Speaker 5: but I'm with you, so I don't know either. But
Speaker 5: to give away all of his money and just walk
Speaker 5: away from his show, that's that's walking the walk. That's
Speaker 5: not just talking.
Speaker 2: I mean, look it to play Devil's Advocate. It is
Speaker 2: the only way that he could win with Rachel, win
Speaker 2: over Rachel. So you know, if you want to look
Speaker 2: at it that way, where he's kind of like, I'll
Speaker 2: always make more money. I've got my mind. I can
Speaker 2: think of new ways to make money and new schemes.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to let her win. I'm going to
Speaker 2: give everything away. He could be doing that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he also goes over to Jackson though at
Speaker 1: the end, and it's like I've done bad things like
Speaker 1: saying to your little child, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like your little grandchaw being like I'm a bad dude,
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's that's.
Speaker 2: Pretty committed for Forgiveness is like the through line for
Speaker 2: him though so far, and it seems like it's sincere.
Speaker 5: I think the biggest show of the sincerity is the
Speaker 5: fact and of the guilt is the fact that he
Speaker 5: chose to take a commuter bus rather than buy a
Speaker 5: plane ticket, because that is going to be a long
Speaker 5: drive as opposed to a short flight.
Speaker 2: Do we even know where he's going?
Speaker 5: No, I don't know why. I kept feeling like he
Speaker 5: was going to go like Guatemala, That's.
Speaker 2: What I thought too, But I thought he was going
Speaker 2: to South America.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Why did I think that?
Speaker 5: I don't know. That's so strange. I hope we get
Speaker 5: more of Rachel because the one thing that I loved
Speaker 5: that story in this episode, but the one thing I
Speaker 5: wanted more of was her to have some recourse or
Speaker 5: some I just want to see more of her. She
Speaker 5: was so dynamic this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if she sticks around like now, she's
Speaker 2: stuck in Tree Hill. She doesn't have anything. She's going
Speaker 2: to have to figure something else out now, So maybe
Speaker 2: they kept her around. I don't remember. There Oh so
Speaker 2: many things I don't remember.
Speaker 5: I thought all of the stuff with uh Haley and
Speaker 5: Nathan and Jamie was was lovely.
Speaker 2: The tomato was so much fun, so.
Speaker 5: Fun him doing the Mada door stuff, the Coca del Toro.
Speaker 2: We had to have a story. I have a story
Speaker 2: about this so so Jackson's mom was always on set
Speaker 2: with him and the shot with him with the bar
Speaker 2: of soap in his mouth. They had they had crafted
Speaker 2: this glycerine flavored you know it was. It was a
Speaker 2: bar of soap that could you actually could put in
Speaker 2: your mouth. It probably tasted like strawberry or something. It
Speaker 2: was totally edible. And they showed it to him and
Speaker 2: he and they were like, this is the bar of soap.
Speaker 2: It's edible. Don't worry about it. There's no soap in here,
Speaker 2: no nothing. And and our boss asked Jackson's mom if
Speaker 2: it was okay if we saw switched it out for
Speaker 2: a real bar of soap to get a real reaction
Speaker 2: out of him. Sure, And she thought, she was like, oh, sure,
Speaker 2: that'll be funny. And poor Jackson is I don't know
Speaker 2: how old he was at the time. I think it
Speaker 2: was eight or nine, But that age is kind of
Speaker 2: fragile with like it could go either way. You don't
Speaker 2: know if they're just gonna like be like, oh if
Speaker 2: somebody played a joke on me, or if they they
Speaker 2: take it personally. Like my daughter at that age was
Speaker 2: still having a like figuring out humor and so would
Speaker 2: take things personally that weren't meant to be personal because
Speaker 2: you're just your brain is starting to compute the world
Speaker 2: and how people joke. Anyway, Sorry, long story boring. I
Speaker 2: get this bar of soap and it's my responsibility to
Speaker 2: shove it into the kid's mouth, and I'm like, here,
Speaker 2: eat this, and we shove it in his mouth and
Speaker 2: he does. You know, he has to sit there for
Speaker 2: a moment with it in his mouth and they're getting
Speaker 2: the straight shot of him. I'm holding it and then
Speaker 2: when he takes it out and it ended up in
Speaker 2: the show where he goes, let's see what I say
Speaker 2: is nasty, it's yucky. He's like, eh, eh, that reaction
Speaker 2: with the real bar so and we all start laughing
Speaker 2: and he's like what what. We're like, we switched it out.
Speaker 2: It's a real bar so, you know, and it was
Speaker 2: supposed to be really fun, and he just did not
Speaker 2: compute the idea of a practical joke and just burst
Speaker 2: into tears, ran off the set, you know, went into
Speaker 2: his mom's arms, and she felt horrible because you know,
Speaker 2: she took the gamble. She was like, oh, let's see
Speaker 2: I felt I felt so bad. I could not believe
Speaker 2: I made that kid cry.
Speaker 1: How does it.
Speaker 5: Feel joy knowing that sometime in the future that sweet
Speaker 5: boy is going to be a man in therapy talking
Speaker 5: about this very experience of you deceiving him.
Speaker 2: It does not feel good, Robert, it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1: I remember during the tomato fight. I remember that was
Speaker 1: like really stressful for me because I'm not an athlete
Speaker 1: I think is the word that they say, athletic person.
Speaker 1: And they would be like, hey, we need you to
Speaker 1: throw this and hit Jamie like right in the head
Speaker 1: with this tomato, and it would and I would throw
Speaker 1: the tomato and it would hit like two feet to
Speaker 1: the right, and I would be like, you, guys, should
Speaker 1: really get someone that's like an athlete to do this
Speaker 1: because I'm not. This isn't remember when I played the
Speaker 1: piano and Normone was like, wow, how do you do that?
Speaker 1: That's how I feel when people throw that. And there
Speaker 1: were some like there was like one particularly humiliating moment
Speaker 1: where it was like the an it's like the last
Speaker 1: shot we're getting. I don't know if you remember this.
Speaker 1: We're all standing there and he has this, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got his gear on. He's there it's like his
Speaker 1: hero shot where he's going to take it right in
Speaker 1: the chest and then die. And they're like, you just
Speaker 1: need to throw this right in that little kid's chest.
Speaker 1: And I'm like maybe four feet away, like I'm like
Speaker 1: as close as I can get with being out of
Speaker 1: cap out of shot, and I'm like, yeah, I got this,
Speaker 1: and they're like action and I throw it and hit
Speaker 1: him in the knee. Cap are like no, the reset
Speaker 1: reset like action and I throw it. I hit him
Speaker 1: in like the you know, shoulder or something, and they're like, nope,
Speaker 1: we got to redo it.
Speaker 2: And you're off camera.
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm off camera.
Speaker 2: Why didn't they just have James do it exactly?
Speaker 1: And they made We did it so many times and
Speaker 1: I'm having a mental breakdown. I feel like Jackson with
Speaker 1: the bar of soap in my mouth and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not an athlete. And then finally our boss was like,
Speaker 1: I'll actually, I'll just throw it. It's fine, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we could have done this from shot one.
Speaker 1: There's no reason for me to be here. Then he
Speaker 1: hit him and like the first time, but yeah, there
Speaker 1: was always moments like that. There's a great line in
Speaker 1: that scene when you walk in joy you say to
Speaker 1: Grubs and James, or you know, to Grubs and Nathan,
Speaker 1: you say, what kind of grown men stand around throwing
Speaker 1: tomatoes at a seven year old? And there's a beat
Speaker 1: and he goes, you want to throw one, don't you?
Speaker 1: And you say, yes, I do.
Speaker 2: It's fun. That's really fun.
Speaker 1: After the after seeing everyone's sitting there covered in tomatoes
Speaker 1: as well, and there's I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: I'm behind it's actually the second time they do a
Speaker 1: behind shot gag, Like there's the one where Buckley you're
Speaker 1: talking on your phone and then behind you Chantelle's feeding
Speaker 1: the cow. Like that was when this was the second
Speaker 1: one like that where you guys are all sitting there
Speaker 1: covered in tomatoes, kind of like living in the joy
Speaker 1: of that fight. And I walk behind you guys, and
Speaker 1: I'm drinking a bloody Mary and I picked a piece
Speaker 1: of tomato off of my shirt, put it in the
Speaker 1: bloody Mary, and then continue to drink it.
Speaker 2: And what I did not notice that I must have
Speaker 2: been looking.
Speaker 1: Down a little easter egg for you guys.
Speaker 2: Was that your idea was that where you directed to
Speaker 2: do that, or was it like, let's just let me.
Speaker 2: Let me I got an idea, let me jump in.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty sure I was directed to do that.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that. I I can't imagine I would
Speaker 1: be so bold as to say I got a funny
Speaker 1: joke that it'd be like cool. The other old I
Speaker 1: should tell you, guys, the other outstanding moment of athleticism
Speaker 1: that happened on this show so for me, was at
Speaker 1: the scene where Chancel does the dance in the gymnasium.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, Buckley. This was
Speaker 1: a scarring moment for me in life in general. So
Speaker 1: I went to set that day because my friends, the
Speaker 1: Frasers were there and my manager, and they basically worked
Speaker 1: them all into the shot. So if you see right
Speaker 1: when Chantelle is getting ready to go to the dance,
Speaker 1: this woman's stay inside her You young girl turns in,
Speaker 1: She's like, you're up or whatever. That is friend of
Speaker 1: a friend of the show, Shelby Fraser, who would come
Speaker 1: hang out and her mom, Debbie Fraser, is one of
Speaker 1: the judges and the other judge is my old manager,
Speaker 1: west Arhuva. So when they showed the managers there, so
Speaker 1: I went to hang out with them on set. There's
Speaker 1: a time where there's a break. Mind you bleachers full
Speaker 1: of people, all these people me on the show, full
Speaker 1: of athletes. I'm basically like a lifelong music nerd, never
Speaker 1: able to do any kind of sports stuff. Terrified on
Speaker 1: the show because all of the actors on the show
Speaker 1: are basically like the alpha versions of the guys that
Speaker 1: used to pick on me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like the guys that would shove me into a locker.
Speaker 1: The actors on this show are the guys that would
Speaker 1: shove them into a locker, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: These are like the biggest best dudes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And they're all being nice to me and
Speaker 1: I don't know why. And so we are all ut
Speaker 1: set and we're all hanging out and everyone's like, start
Speaker 1: shooting basketballs. And it's like it's a basketball show, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So everyone's shooting basketballs. Some basketball
Speaker 1: bounces to me. I'm wearing no it's literally terrified, but
Speaker 1: I'm like I can do this. I'm wearing this very
Speaker 1: hipster coat that's like very tight fitting, and I go
Speaker 1: to shoot the basketball and my coat won't allow my
Speaker 1: arms to finish the motion. And so I go to
Speaker 1: shoot the ball, arms freeze like halfway through. The ball
Speaker 1: flies like two feet into the air and then falls down,
Speaker 1: and everybody stopped what they were doing the entire like.
Speaker 1: It was like they were like quiet on set, quiet
Speaker 1: on set. Michael did something stupid quite on set and
Speaker 1: everyone and I was like, it's my coat. It's my
Speaker 1: coat's too tight. I can't shoot because of my coat.
Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. So anyway, that's my my athleticism story
Speaker 1: from the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for Oh I wish I'd been there that
Speaker 2: day in the gym that would have been It looks
Speaker 2: like a fun day.
Speaker 5: It was. It was a fun day. Uh, you know,
Speaker 5: watching Chantel be silly the line I have the the
Speaker 5: the line out on that scene sucks to be next.
Speaker 1: It was just an ad lib.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was wondering actually because that's just that just
Speaker 2: seems like you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I remember just watching her thinking like dude,
Speaker 5: I I, I and Clay need to cheer her on
Speaker 5: so hard, and so I was just going for it.
Speaker 5: I think on the last take yet that's my scream
Speaker 5: sucks to be next or whatever. Yeah, and then it
Speaker 5: made it.
Speaker 2: In Yeah, and then Clay saves the day comes in again.
Speaker 2: They're having this super formal signing in the living room
Speaker 2: at Haley getting stressed up for I guess you know,
Speaker 2: and and here comes Clay and Quinn. But I have
Speaker 2: to tell you I got emotional. I really it was.
Speaker 2: It was beautifully done. The revelation of all the things
Speaker 2: that he had done, and the way that he had
Speaker 2: put all the pieces together and saved the day and
Speaker 2: kept them. And then he's they're going to stay in Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It was so exciting.
Speaker 5: I love that he pieced the puzzles together. This was
Speaker 5: another one of those moments where I found myself going
Speaker 5: or doing We're doing too much guys. Like, first of all,
Speaker 5: it's a why would the agents be in your home
Speaker 5: at night time to sign a deal? Again? Do these
Speaker 5: guys work around the corner? Why are they always in
Speaker 5: your house?
Speaker 2: At least they weren't standing this time, right.
Speaker 5: But what killed me was it's like again formal meeting
Speaker 5: in your house for some reason that even your child
Speaker 5: is in attendance for. Yeah, and then as like it's
Speaker 5: a good deal, Nathan. You hear the slow clap from
Speaker 5: off camera and Clay walks in, and I just found
Speaker 5: myself going, this is already such a great moment. You
Speaker 5: don't need to build in a cheesy device like this,
Speaker 5: Like it just felt so stage to me. Like, first
Speaker 5: of all, the front door's in the shot, So the
Speaker 5: only thing that makes sense to me is maybe we
Speaker 5: pulled up and I said, that's the agent's car, and
Speaker 5: Quinn said, let's go in the side door. Don't know why,
Speaker 5: but otherwise you would have seen us walk in.
Speaker 2: But also if you knew he was there to sign it,
Speaker 2: you would have tried to get there and like stop it,
Speaker 2: get in there and not yes, let him sign. So
Speaker 2: the fact that you're slowly sauntering in, yes, that's so dumb.
Speaker 2: They made you do that.
Speaker 1: Also, you're fairly estranged at this point, right, you just
Speaker 1: into his house unannounced, Like that's another boundary issue that
Speaker 1: we have from the show.
Speaker 5: Like there's so many Oh buddy, this is I was
Speaker 5: saying last week, if if there had been a therapist
Speaker 5: character on the show, it would have been such a
Speaker 5: Lorraine Brocco. It would have been incredible, But it would
Speaker 5: have been so much more effective if like y'all were
Speaker 5: just sitting around having dinner and just Clay, and Clay
Speaker 5: walked in, you know, absolutely, and so there wasn't any
Speaker 5: performative aspect to it.
Speaker 2: Why do the agents have to be there for that scene?
Speaker 2: Because what he's getting one over on the agents? Like
Speaker 2: ha ha, who cares about them? We don't even know them,
Speaker 2: we don't follow their storyline, Like who gives The only
Speaker 2: people I care about in this scene are you and
Speaker 2: Quinn and Nathan and Haley, Like that's what's going on.
Speaker 5: And the to me, this was another choice where I
Speaker 5: went like what are you doing? When they actually have
Speaker 5: a moment, Whereas I'm like, I have the great deal.
Speaker 5: I saved the day and the agent's other agents abviously
Speaker 5: realize we've lost this one. As they're walking out, they
Speaker 5: do a special shot of the agent over my shoulder
Speaker 5: and I turn around and he turns around back to
Speaker 5: me and nods at me, like good one kid. It
Speaker 5: was like I just professed my love to this character.
Speaker 5: I just saved my friend's career, and this is the
Speaker 5: moment we want, we want to.
Speaker 2: Spend time here. Yeah. I think our boss just really
Speaker 2: had a pensiance for revenge, like he really enjoyed it
Speaker 2: in all different forms, And so I think that was
Speaker 2: It just seeped in in random places like that.
Speaker 5: He wrote and directed this episode, and this episode it
Speaker 5: was funny. There's a there's a quote in it that
Speaker 5: I had to stop the show and just say to
Speaker 5: Jenny out loud. I was like, you're not gonna just
Speaker 5: said no. This was Julian when he says, I'm mad
Speaker 5: at you. You know what happens when you die, Alex,
Speaker 5: You're dead, That's what happens. I said that. I go, Jenny,
Speaker 5: this was This was an unroonic line in the show.
Speaker 5: And she says it sounds like it was written by
Speaker 5: someone who was really feeling themselves. And I went, that's
Speaker 5: wildly appropriate.
Speaker 1: Actually, honey, nothing as far as like strong lines go,
Speaker 1: nothing beats the Millie. Ever. Whenever I see that mirror,
Speaker 1: all I want to do is cut up a line
Speaker 1: of coke on it that way.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, she said what I want
Speaker 2: to do. I just want to cut a line and
Speaker 2: snort it. Oh, she had to say those words out loud.
Speaker 5: And mind you grubbs, because just a little backstory, she's
Speaker 5: been she's been a model for two weeks. This is
Speaker 5: the most expedited tale of drug addiction that you've ever seen,
Speaker 5: and so the fact this has been ever since it started,
Speaker 5: this has been the thing I have just railed on
Speaker 5: every single episode of this podcast because I just can't.
Speaker 5: Lisa is so good and this story is so garbage
Speaker 5: the way it's done. And this episode when she says
Speaker 5: this presumably thirty year old person who's been doing coke
Speaker 5: for two weeks can't look at a mirror at that
Speaker 5: loan to snore a line off it, Yeah, and then
Speaker 5: she sneaks out of rehab like she can't hack it. It
Speaker 5: was just she's so good and I just watch it, going, oh,
Speaker 5: you deserve so much better, Lisa Goldstein.
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, that's probably why nobody fought back the
Speaker 2: scene where they walk you were talking about where they
Speaker 2: walk in and they're sitting in the blood. I think
Speaker 2: Lisa and Lee were both exhausted from the absurdity of
Speaker 2: this storyline and having to just deal with it on
Speaker 2: a regular basis. That that just seemed to me like
Speaker 2: two actors that walked in the room and the director
Speaker 2: told them what to do, and they were like, really
Speaker 2: can't we you know what, never mind, just tell us
Speaker 2: where to be. We'll just do it. Let's get it
Speaker 2: over with.
Speaker 1: I have a quick side step and then I have
Speaker 1: a question. Really quickly. Side step is one to go
Speaker 1: back to the house for one seconds. I don't want
Speaker 1: to leave this, I was saying this. I was just
Speaker 1: so happy that you got there alive, luckily, because I
Speaker 1: was sure when a French cinema has taught me anything.
Speaker 1: When a young couple that is falling in love drives
Speaker 1: around in a car like that, so many scenes in
Speaker 1: the car, that car is going off the road. There's
Speaker 1: no way we're making it that house in one piece.
Speaker 1: And when you made it there, I was like, that
Speaker 1: is brave to go against cinematic trope at that level.
Speaker 1: That and the other thing when you're at the house
Speaker 1: when she I love the moment when he says this
Speaker 1: is a good deal. It's going to be seven million dollars.
Speaker 1: I see, Joy. You go there all right like that.
Speaker 1: Then you come in here like how about fifteen million
Speaker 1: dollars and Joy's like all right, Like so you make
Speaker 1: this whole face like okay, we'll take the fifteen Like
Speaker 1: it was just like yeah, such the little in your
Speaker 1: face like I'm rich Like it was. It was awesome.
Speaker 1: I loved your b.
Speaker 2: To be talking about it in front of the kid.
Speaker 1: Too, Like, but so this, so this takes me back.
Speaker 1: Now I'll return to our previous discussion. I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: had to take us away for it, but that I
Speaker 1: had to do. I had to say those things. When
Speaker 1: did you got what was your biggest moment where you
Speaker 1: got a script and there was a line in it
Speaker 1: and you were like no way, Like did you get
Speaker 1: Like was there a moment where you had like a
Speaker 1: line that you were like, I don't know how I
Speaker 1: pulled this.
Speaker 2: I just always changed them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was scared to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it pissed people off for sure, but
Speaker 2: I was like, this is stupid. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say I probably skipped over some lines that maybe could
Speaker 2: have worked well because I was a little cocky about it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of times I just was like, yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I don't remember any specific lines, but I had
Speaker 5: some story stuff where I just kind of went, what, yeah,
Speaker 5: what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Really? I just remember like getting the scripts and just
Speaker 1: thinking like they're they're just telling me what I'm going
Speaker 1: to do. Like that's a there's a wild level of
Speaker 1: trust with like you and your in the character and
Speaker 1: they and luckily I feel like I was. This has
Speaker 1: been kind of like discussed around with me and some
Speaker 1: of other folks. I feel like when I was cast
Speaker 1: on the show, I was the character version of the Boss,
Speaker 1: like he basically wrote me to He was writing himself
Speaker 1: into the show in his mind. He made me this
Speaker 1: like lovable guy that everyone comes to for advice or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it set me up and they were always really
Speaker 1: nice to me. But I can't tell you how many
Speaker 1: times I thought like they could easily have made me
Speaker 1: someone who like can't even go to the store to
Speaker 1: get groceries without someone being like, you're bad. You know,
Speaker 1: Like if I think about like like Jeffrey from Jeffrey
Speaker 1: from like Game of Thrones, and it's like, man, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough walking around that all the time. Anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 1: a bit of a bit of a side step.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there's so many different ways that
Speaker 2: things could go, which is why when storylines like this
Speaker 2: Millie and Alex thing kind of gets through and slips
Speaker 2: through the cracks, you're just like hat or Robert, what
Speaker 2: you're talking about, where you're reading storylines going, why are
Speaker 2: we you know, the one that's coming up with the
Speaker 2: look alike and all that. That's one of those ones
Speaker 2: You're just like, what are what are we doing? Why
Speaker 2: are we running out of ideas? There's so many of them.
Speaker 5: The fact that we actually did the soap opera thing
Speaker 5: of hiring back the same actress Amanda Schule to play
Speaker 5: a different random girl who just looks like my wife
Speaker 5: and becomes fatally obsessed with me. The fact that that
Speaker 5: isn't the craziest storyline that Clay has tells you something.
Speaker 2: It sure does mid Shure does.
Speaker 5: We were like the classier or more bougie version of
Speaker 5: do you remember that show Passions?
Speaker 2: Of course I remember Passion like Witches.
Speaker 5: And like it was queer.
Speaker 2: People loved it, they did.
Speaker 5: I thought that Janna and Austin did well, did very well.
Speaker 5: They did as well as you could have with that material. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I just thought, and there was a couple like
Speaker 5: when Dan's giving a great speech, the fact they added
Speaker 5: in the gunshot sound when he's talking about Keith dying.
Speaker 2: Paul committed to that so hard because he was like,
Speaker 2: I want you to kneel down and like say goodbye
Speaker 2: to your brother down in the ground. It's like me, man,
Speaker 2: all right, okay, I'll make it work.
Speaker 5: I mean, and they made such a meal of it.
Speaker 5: And then when uh or yeah, when Julian holds Alex's hand,
Speaker 5: the fact that at that very moment, Brooke walks up
Speaker 5: and that's what she sees, and it.
Speaker 2: Was just, yeah, it's heavy handed, very it's too much.
Speaker 2: I really this the sort of pat answer of Julie
Speaker 2: Brooke helping Julian realize that he's trying to save his
Speaker 2: mom by saving all these girls. I think it's a
Speaker 2: very real issue that people struggle with. I think it's
Speaker 2: actually one of the most common things in relationships that
Speaker 2: we are constantly trying to work out childhood things on
Speaker 2: the people that we're with. So we're trying to save
Speaker 2: our mom or make a have a good relationship with
Speaker 2: our dad or whatever, and then we pick people that
Speaker 2: are going to make that difficult so that we can
Speaker 2: resolve the issue. And then you know, Freud tells us, hey,
Speaker 2: now you've fixed it. I mean, it's it's pretty textbook. However,
Speaker 2: the answer that he gives her, I can't remember the
Speaker 2: very last quote that he says there, but but her
Speaker 2: not having a response, it was something about like if
Speaker 2: I can Oh, he says something about if I can
Speaker 2: help her, maybe I can help her before her light
Speaker 2: goes out, before it's too late or something.
Speaker 5: Before her fire goes out. And even if it doesn't,
Speaker 5: at least I try.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and Brooke doesn't respond, and I keep thinking,
Speaker 2: why are you not saying I'm the one you're dating,
Speaker 2: worry about my fire, put my fire out? I mean,
Speaker 2: help me keep my fire going or whatever, like this
Speaker 2: is not This is not healthy. So the fact that
Speaker 2: she recognized it but then wasn't willing to call him
Speaker 2: on it, I thought was really strange. But maybe that's
Speaker 2: coming up. Maybe they're just setting it up for the
Speaker 2: next episode.
Speaker 5: So for an episode where every scene was trying to
Speaker 5: just do the most, it was odd that the last scene,
Speaker 5: this random dude walks into close over bros. My first
Speaker 5: thought was boring entrance. I thought, Holy, does she get
Speaker 5: assaulted again?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And then okay, because his vibe is weird Yeah, And
Speaker 5: then it's not and he's just like, I'm the new
Speaker 5: designer that said Victoria hired and she's like oh, And
Speaker 5: it cuts to black, so I'm thinking it's fizzile there
Speaker 5: wasn't even a vibeer were trying to introduce a new
Speaker 5: potential suitor, because if so, that was the That was
Speaker 5: the worst first encounter. Like for an episode where every
Speaker 5: single scene was a ten, they randomly chose a thirty
Speaker 5: second scene that was a four.
Speaker 2: It's just so dumb. It was so dumb. Why would
Speaker 2: they not get into a fender bender when he's pulling
Speaker 2: up outside and start screaming at each other and then
Speaker 2: she's like, who the hell are you? Anyway while I'm
Speaker 2: your new designer? Okay, interesting, I don't know if she's
Speaker 2: closing up the store and he's stumbling in and I
Speaker 2: mean it's an dark and he's like, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: find the light. Victoria told me to come in. Who
Speaker 2: the hell are you? I'm your new design like something.
Speaker 2: He just walks in the door. Anything.
Speaker 5: Have him being charming, have him maybe I think Brooke
Speaker 5: is anything like it's not a time, but he brought coffee, Like.
Speaker 2: Walk in eating a bowl of spaghetti and I would
Speaker 2: be interested.
Speaker 5: Anything would have been good.
Speaker 1: He just looks at the camera and he's like, I'm handsome.
Speaker 5: That was the Seriously, my note is just jawline in
Speaker 5: an accent. Yeah, no disrespect to those actors. Handsome, but
Speaker 5: I just thought it was sort of like they thought
Speaker 5: he was just so good looking that they were like,
Speaker 5: we don't need to put anything on this handsome hot dog.
Speaker 5: It's a perfect plain. It's like, no, give him some
Speaker 5: dialogue something.
Speaker 1: Bitch is his name? It's super sweet guy, super sweet Mitch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Aussie stud.
Speaker 5: This show really has done, at least since I've started watching,
Speaker 5: has done a really good job of sticking the landing
Speaker 5: with introlling new characters, except so far, on this one,
Speaker 5: it felt like an actual afterthought. It felt like this
Speaker 5: should be the first scene of the next episode, but
Speaker 5: they were like forty seconds short, and they took like
Speaker 5: the forty seconds off the top of that scene and
Speaker 5: just put to the end of this episode.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 5: We're so good.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they did. Wait, Mike, are you still
Speaker 2: in touch with him? With Mitch? You guys still friends?
Speaker 1: No, I think we became Facebook friends on that time,
Speaker 1: and then his name comes up because we're Facebook friends.
Speaker 1: We haven't really had interaction or whatever.
Speaker 2: So, but you stayed in touch with a lot of
Speaker 2: people on the show. I mean you, you and Kate
Speaker 2: Vogel are in a band now, Your Future Ghost, which
Speaker 2: I want to hear all about. Can you tell us
Speaker 2: about that? And also I want to hear about everyone's
Speaker 2: doing great your show that you're scoring with James Lafferty
Speaker 2: or James's show.
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking about these things. They are so
Speaker 1: important to me.
Speaker 5: That's all the time we have folks. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about it. Yes.
Speaker 1: So, Kate and I started writing together during the pandemic
Speaker 1: and we were writing over Zoom a lot, and suddenly
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, this is really cool. And Kate
Speaker 1: and I were always buds, but we never had like
Speaker 1: deep deep budded down like you know, like band style,
Speaker 1: and suddenly we found we're riding together and we're like,
Speaker 1: this is really good stuff. And it suddenly it was like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's release the song together. And then it began like, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't we do a couple of songs? And then
Speaker 1: we're like, this doesn't really feel like my music, doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like your music. This feels like our music. And
Speaker 1: then it grew and grew and grew, and now we
Speaker 1: are a band called Your Future Ghost, and it's the
Speaker 1: coolest music anyone who's ever made in the world and yeah,
Speaker 1: we actually just had it crazy. We filmed a music
Speaker 1: video in the desert, and I mean, hindsight kind of
Speaker 1: scary at the time. Like Kate literally ended up in
Speaker 1: the emergency room. She got she got what they called
Speaker 1: water intoxication. She drank too much water, right, she drank
Speaker 1: too much water and ended up in the hospital with
Speaker 1: an IV and I couldn't talk. It was wild. She's
Speaker 1: fine now and we just from the rest of that. Yeah, there,
Speaker 1: it's true.
Speaker 5: Typically only happens in people doing like ultra marathons and marathons,
Speaker 5: they overhydrate and that's Kate. She rocks so hard.
Speaker 1: She rocks so hard.
Speaker 5: That's so hard, she rocks.
Speaker 1: She uh yeah, but she's good. And we just don't
Speaker 1: finished filming that. And so we have another We have
Speaker 1: another single coming out soon. So if fans at home,
Speaker 1: you can go to our Instagram your Future Ghosts and
Speaker 1: you can find out more about that. There's going to
Speaker 1: be a link there to get news about our upcoming single,
Speaker 1: like a pre save please do it. So James and Steven,
Speaker 1: James Laferna and Stephen Clettie made this wonnerful show called
Speaker 1: Everyone's Doing Great I did the score for the first
Speaker 1: season and then came one for the second season to
Speaker 1: do the score again, and it just keeps getting better
Speaker 1: and betterssed so so much fun. It's the best thing
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 2: It's such a good score. By the way, Mike, I mean,
Speaker 2: it really gives the show so much character. I feel like,
Speaker 2: in the same way that the town was the character
Speaker 2: in One Tree Hill, it was its own character. Your
Speaker 2: music has created that environment for everyone's doing great. It's
Speaker 2: it's it's just grounding, sophisticated, interesting, complex, but it makes
Speaker 2: the goofy comedy really work. And the sarcasm. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's great, it's great.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I mean, it's my dream to,
Speaker 1: like my if I got to pick a career, I
Speaker 1: would score Stilman TV and movies and stuff. It's my
Speaker 1: favorite thing I do. And yeah, and these guys have
Speaker 1: been awesome.
Speaker 5: I also want to say before we hop off the
Speaker 5: episode that Miss Lauren and Skills were so sweet and
Speaker 5: I wish we had a lot more of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that whole thing where she was where she says,
Speaker 5: you didn't even ask me, and he's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry. You have come and she says no,
Speaker 5: but it's nice to be asked. Oh yeah, it's so sweet.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 5: I miss She's so good. She's so good and the
Speaker 5: two of them together are great. Always want more of them.
Speaker 2: Ashley wants to know the question is for whenever you
Speaker 2: get grubs on the podcast, A Ashley, it's your lucky day. Okay, me,
Speaker 2: Sof and Rob are sitting down at your bar, what
Speaker 2: is our drink of choice?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, First off, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: double the security at the bar because I got three
Speaker 1: super bids sitting down at my bar. Whoa crowd control?
Speaker 1: Crowd control is gonna be of essence for you three guys.
Speaker 1: I feel like, for for So, For Soph, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: something like, I feel like she's always very on trend
Speaker 1: and very aware of like what's going on. She's very
Speaker 1: like like amazing, uh at, She's always just like the
Speaker 1: coolest And I feel like, right now, I see a
Speaker 1: lot of espressal Mark teenies, Yeah, she's with the times.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of Espresso Martinez around. I think
Speaker 1: i'd make her something espresso based that would be like
Speaker 1: an up cocktail. It would be sophisticated. It would style, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little vodka a little bit like like and but
Speaker 1: it chilled up drink that she could have that would
Speaker 1: then I think, Joy, I think for you, we're looking
Speaker 1: at and I don't know because I've seen you backstage
Speaker 1: have different drinks, So this is this is just a
Speaker 1: single drink moment. I don't know if this is like
Speaker 1: for your forever cocktail, but I would love to make
Speaker 1: you something very sophisticated with gin and a coup that
Speaker 1: would be like almost gone in like four SIPs kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Maybe top it with a little shampers, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like.
Speaker 2: A little Bee's knees or like an aviation or something.
Speaker 1: Oh totally exactly. That's what I'm talking. A little French
Speaker 1: seventy five energy, you know what I mean, like something
Speaker 1: that's like, uh, that sizzles, but also that goes with
Speaker 1: your outfit.
Speaker 2: Wow, you nailed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Buckley, I'm thinking for you, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a little more on the healthy side, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm seeing I'm seeing something that's going
Speaker 1: to be like like soda based, you know, like there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of like really good bubbles in there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get some some herb, some herbal kind of
Speaker 1: things going on in there, and then uh, maybe something
Speaker 1: really just really fresh. I wanted to just feel fresh
Speaker 1: and healthy. I want in a tall glass that's got
Speaker 1: lots of ice in it, and I wanted just to
Speaker 1: feel like, like, you know, like this is this is Buckley,
Speaker 1: Like it's a sexy it's a sexy tallboy drink.
Speaker 5: Dude. That's actually because I'm a soda water guy. So
Speaker 5: if you throw some soda water, you muddle up a
Speaker 5: little herb or food in their power. Do you actually
Speaker 5: have a gift grubs?
Speaker 2: This is cool. You got to use this. I feel
Speaker 2: like this is like Joey on Friends when he finds
Speaker 2: his hand twin and he goes to Vegas and he's like,
Speaker 2: we got to do something with this. I don't know
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do with this, but this is a
Speaker 2: real skill.
Speaker 1: I mean that's just say I'm good at parties, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm good at parties.
Speaker 5: If you're not doing this when you do shows, you
Speaker 5: are wasting. What you should do is offer an experience
Speaker 5: where people can pay to meet you after the show,
Speaker 5: and you guess their drink wow, and then maybe you
Speaker 5: have a bar there to make it for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they also make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll just write down what they should order at
Speaker 1: the next bar that they go to. Like it, like
Speaker 1: be like, this is what need to drink, this is
Speaker 1: what you need to have.
Speaker 5: Great. So we do a thing every episode where we
Speaker 5: pick an honorable mention from each episode. My honorable mention
Speaker 5: is it's Chantel dancing. Oh, yes, that's just that was
Speaker 5: team player to the core right there. Yes, she had
Speaker 5: to do a lot of that on this show actually,
Speaker 5: but this was the first one.
Speaker 2: I'll give it to Chantell Trying to feed the cow
Speaker 2: behind you. That just was my favorite.
Speaker 5: It was so hysterical, which, by the way, that was
Speaker 5: scripted that she goes to feed the cow and the
Speaker 5: cow chases her, and the cow was not chasing her
Speaker 5: at all. So what you see is she's just she's
Speaker 5: just making it work as best she can. The cow
Speaker 5: stays perfectly still, and she still runs away even though
Speaker 5: the cow has done nothing. That's her just really committing
Speaker 5: to the bit. So good grubs. How about you?
Speaker 1: I love the you flipping the phone into the pool
Speaker 1: at the top Bucks. Oh, I love that I think
Speaker 1: also though, I really I always appreciate anytime that India
Speaker 1: is on screen. India played Miranda, my love interest on
Speaker 1: the show India the Before, and she is such a
Speaker 1: rock star. And the moment where she comes in and
Speaker 1: suddenly I can't actually guess her drink.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh that's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it's like I can guess everyone's drink
Speaker 1: but hers, because it's like, what's going on with these two?
Speaker 2: And you show up with all the bottles in your arms, Yeah,
Speaker 2: tell me what do you want?
Speaker 1: And she just takes one, pours herself a shadow with you,
Speaker 1: and then like hands it back, right.
Speaker 5: You see, that is a that's a perfect example of
Speaker 5: how you introduce chemistry. Yes, like that was so effective.
Speaker 5: I thought the same thing. I'm like, oh, she's his
Speaker 5: kryptonite and he's flustered for the first time ever. There's
Speaker 5: something here Like that was a great use of showing
Speaker 5: there's something to start, whereas like the scene at the
Speaker 5: end with Brook and the guy, there's literally nothing except going.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, Like he's not a bad guy, right,
Speaker 1: he's to do anything bad? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, truly?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I love it. Well, it's been a wheel, folks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I hope we find out that Dan did go to
Speaker 2: Guatemala or too gosh, Chile or something really cool.
Speaker 1: GRIBs, go ahead and read it most likely to skydive
Speaker 1: out of a hot air balloon.
Speaker 2: That feels like it would be very stupid, because don't
Speaker 2: you have to be up much higher to skydive and
Speaker 2: get the velocity that you need for safe landing.
Speaker 5: I think it's around thirteen thousand feet?
Speaker 2: Is it the same? Do they go up the same height?
Speaker 1: That's a guy fact, Rob, The fact you dropped thirteen
Speaker 1: thousand feet just like that, that's a guy fact. That's
Speaker 1: like knowing what the population of Australia is just out
Speaker 1: of your Yeah.
Speaker 5: Listen, I've done it once. And when they open up
Speaker 5: a giant door on the plane and they say we're
Speaker 5: thirteen thousand feet, we're gonna fall out. Now you remember
Speaker 5: that moment?
Speaker 1: Yes, you do? Oh my god?
Speaker 5: I would I mean Alex because she's just an absolute
Speaker 5: wild card. I think if Julian said I'd like you
Speaker 5: to go skydiving, she would say.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yes, out of time.
Speaker 5: I don't even need a parachute, Julian, you tell me
Speaker 5: to do it, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: I'll jump. I would go. I would go skydiving out
Speaker 2: of a hot air balloon only for one reason, if
Speaker 2: the hot air balloon was going down and I needed
Speaker 2: a way out.
Speaker 5: And you were just that prepared.
Speaker 2: Well, do you know? I actually was dating somebody at
Speaker 2: one point who was like, tried to wakem up really
Speaker 2: early and was like, I got a surprise. I'm going
Speaker 2: to take you in a hot air balloon. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, there's a there's a parachute
Speaker 2: in it, right? He was like, no, no, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not going in a hundred ballion with had a parachute.
Speaker 2: There's just there's no way. I'm a single mother. I
Speaker 2: can't die.
Speaker 5: I love the idea. The picture of you still on
Speaker 5: the pillow, Oh my god, that's so sweet. Is there
Speaker 5: a parachute? No, okay, I'm not going and you just
Speaker 5: roll back over. He's like, oh, oh.
Speaker 2: I'll cancel that. Then they're outside, but no problem.
Speaker 1: Can you get your hope you can get your money back, right, honey?
Speaker 1: All right? Yeah? I could see mouth jumping out and
Speaker 1: it would be to save like a kitten or something,
Speaker 1: because he's such a sweet guy. He'd be like, I'm
Speaker 1: I see something in danger down there. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: see He's such a good guy, that's what I see.
Speaker 5: But seriously, Grubbs, thank you for joining us today because,
Speaker 5: A it's so good just to see your face, buddy,
Speaker 5: it's been so long, and it's really just so lovely
Speaker 5: to catch up with you. You look great. I'm glad you're
Speaker 5: doing great. This was awesome.
Speaker 1: Thank you right back at you guys. You guys are
Speaker 1: such I mean, like literally total rockstars, and it's so
Speaker 1: great to get to chat with you guys for an hour.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel just so full of joy and
Speaker 1: so grateful to be here and be part of this
Speaker 1: amazing thing you guys have felt so Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't wait to keep tabs on what you're
Speaker 2: doing too. I'm gonna go, everybody, go check out your
Speaker 2: future ghost and go watch. Everyone is doing great and
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to keep up with Michael Grubbs.
Speaker 2: Next episode, Season seven, episode thirteen. Weeks go by like days.
Speaker 2: I wonder what will happen next. Bye, everybody, Bye, Hey,
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