Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, y'all? This is Questlove. Get ready to
Speaker 1: check out an episode of Historical Records executive produced by
Speaker 1: myself and the story pirates. It's an explosive fusion of
Speaker 1: hip hop and history, tailor made for music loving kids
Speaker 1: and families. You're that correctly something the entire family can
Speaker 1: listen to and enjoy together. In this episode, host Nemony
Speaker 1: creates a hip hop track about the civil rights activist
Speaker 1: Claudette Covid, who, as a teenager, refused to give up
Speaker 1: her seat on an Alabama city bus months before Rosa
Speaker 1: Park's famous protest. Get your kids, sit back and enjoy
Speaker 1: Historical Records, the show that proves that in order to
Speaker 1: make history, you have to make some noise.
Speaker 2: Hello, listeners, it's me Nemony. I'm here in my top
Speaker 2: secret underground bunker.
Speaker 3: As usual, I'm with my team of sound engineer Raccoons, Tina.
Speaker 2: Don't be rude.
Speaker 3: Hello, Now follow me everyone, and justin heads up. I
Speaker 3: want very quickly. Some say that the way I walk
Speaker 3: is nearly running, but we have no time to waste
Speaker 3: because today's historical figure is Clawet Colvin. Luckily, the conditions
Speaker 3: for historical research are perfect. It's a beautiful day inside
Speaker 3: my top secret underground bunker. It might even be a
Speaker 3: beautiful day outside my top secret underground bunker. To be honest,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: I haven't been outside in a Week's what, Tua?
Speaker 4: That's crazy?
Speaker 2: You want me to go outside right now?
Speaker 5: Why would I do that?
Speaker 2: Whoa Tina?
Speaker 4: When you're right? You're right, Going outside.
Speaker 3: Is critical for my mental health. We have a lot
Speaker 3: to do, but I should take a quick moment to
Speaker 3: look outside and feel the sun on my face. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll just peek out this emergency exit.
Speaker 2: And why did I do that?
Speaker 5: It's Historical Records.
Speaker 2: You are now listening to Historical We're to make history.
Speaker 2: You got to have struggles to make history. You got
Speaker 2: to show poised.
Speaker 3: Cannot be quiet loud as the riot to make history,
Speaker 3: you gotta.
Speaker 6: Make some noise.
Speaker 3: Listeners, welcome back to Historical Records, where we conduct highly
Speaker 3: experimental experiments combining history and hip hop. Today's episode is
Speaker 3: about the trailblazing civil rights activist CLAUW Deck Covin.
Speaker 2: Also, I just tripped the alarm. The alarm has been
Speaker 2: tripped there maybe and intruder. No, no, no, there's no intrudery.
Speaker 2: It was me.
Speaker 6: I cannot thank your word.
Speaker 2: Worry, I'll come on disembodied robot BOYD.
Speaker 3: Three that might come in one minute, or the authority
Speaker 3: will be old.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I hate bureaucracy. Also one meant that's not
Speaker 2: a lot of wiggle room.
Speaker 4: And I don't even know where to turn off the
Speaker 4: securities and stuff. Tina, why don't we got it down? Wait?
Speaker 3: We have a security center I passed yesterday. That must
Speaker 3: be where we have to turn this thing off. If
Speaker 3: I'm remembering correctly, it's directly below us, about forty stories down.
Speaker 3: Come on, raccoons, we'll take the stairs. Ah, you're right,
Speaker 3: we won't get there fast enough. Brilliant idea, Tina. We'll
Speaker 3: jump down the garbage chute and it'll take us straight there. Raccoon,
Speaker 3: you go first, now to fold myself in half and
Speaker 3: fit into the garbage suit.
Speaker 2: I'm really oh my lord, oh soft.
Speaker 4: Oh that's nice, Tina? How nice is this?
Speaker 2: Am? I? Right? Okay, no time, we got to turn
Speaker 2: this thing off.
Speaker 7: You have.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's open up the breaker and see what
Speaker 3: where were you with? Oh no, that is a lot
Speaker 3: of plugs and wires.
Speaker 8: Recommendation, do not run the wrong wire.
Speaker 4: Not good, Tina, Any ideas I got you? Honey, Mama?
Speaker 4: What are you doing here?
Speaker 8: Well, sweetie, for one, I thought I helped you turn
Speaker 8: off the alarm.
Speaker 5: Trust me, you do not want to deal with all
Speaker 5: that paperwork.
Speaker 4: You're right about that.
Speaker 5: I just got to pull out the right plug.
Speaker 3: I did not see this coming, Mama. You sure you
Speaker 3: know which wants to pull.
Speaker 5: It's this one, I think.
Speaker 6: Shut down?
Speaker 4: You did it?
Speaker 5: Now, give me a second. I gotta boot it back up.
Speaker 5: We don't want any in just getting in here.
Speaker 3: Systems intuders don't stand a can.
Speaker 4: How in the world did you know how to do that?
Speaker 5: Honey?
Speaker 8: I set up the whole security system. You did, Yes,
Speaker 8: you hit a lot on your plate at the time.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to hear way more about that, but
Speaker 3: right now I'm running a little behind, and I have
Speaker 3: to track down one of my historians. Of course, I'll
Speaker 3: see you later, okay, Mom, Bye, Honey.
Speaker 4: I'm proud of you.
Speaker 2: Listeners, keep up with me. We're walk running to the library,
Speaker 2: and while we're on the move, I need to level
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: The good news is that I have a truly sick
Speaker 3: be lined up for today. The slightly less good news
Speaker 3: is that I really do not know much about today's
Speaker 3: historical figure. I mean, I know Claudette Covin was a
Speaker 3: part of the civil rights movement, fighting for equal rights
Speaker 3: for black people in America, but.
Speaker 4: Obviously I need more than that.
Speaker 3: And here we are at the gigantic library.
Speaker 2: Gosh, I love it in here. So now we just
Speaker 2: need to find a lead so she can give us
Speaker 2: some historical help.
Speaker 3: That was a weird echo that sounded nothing like me anyway,
Speaker 3: like I was saying, because I don't have enough.
Speaker 2: Info right now. I guess you could say I'm stuck.
Speaker 4: I'm stuck.
Speaker 3: Okay, I can't be the only one hearing that bad
Speaker 3: echo that sounds nothing like my voice.
Speaker 4: Nimini, I'm not an echo. It's me Lee.
Speaker 7: I'm trapped under a giant book.
Speaker 4: WHOA look at the giant book. I'm coming one, two, three.
Speaker 2: You. Oh, that is much better, Lee. I know you
Speaker 2: like to bear your head in a book, but that
Speaker 2: was a bit much.
Speaker 7: It was actually really informative until the emotional weight of
Speaker 7: history and the actual weight of that huge book became
Speaker 7: too much. Anyway, are you ready to immerse yourself in history?
Speaker 2: As long as you know what I mean, trapping ourselves
Speaker 2: under that book.
Speaker 7: Absolutely well, then step into the history simulator.
Speaker 3: Lee, with respect, I wish the history simulator didn't look
Speaker 3: like a gooey alien pod.
Speaker 7: I'll consider that feedback for my next simulator.
Speaker 2: Okay, where are we hitting to see?
Speaker 7: A very brave young woman who refuses to give up
Speaker 7: her seat on the bus, Claudette Colvin.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait wait, I thought that was Rosa Parks.
Speaker 7: Rosa Parks refuse to give up her seat, But Claudette
Speaker 7: Colvin did it first.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a twist.
Speaker 4: I had no idea.
Speaker 2: You know what, before we.
Speaker 7: Go visit Claudette Colvin, let's bop around a bit, get
Speaker 7: the full context.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 7: Nineteen sixty four, Here we come.
Speaker 4: Whoo, Lee? Are we on a live TV set?
Speaker 2: You bet?
Speaker 4: We are?
Speaker 2: Oh cool? Look at those four dudes in suits.
Speaker 7: Those four dudes are the Beatles and this is their
Speaker 7: USA debut on the Ex Cullivan Show. There was so
Speaker 7: much exciting stuff at this time.
Speaker 3: Who you gotta warm me when we're taking off?
Speaker 2: Lee? Ah?
Speaker 4: So where are we now? What are all these buttons hoston?
Speaker 7: We are a gover, Lee, I'm on a spaceship not
Speaker 7: just any spaceship, the first one to ever land on
Speaker 7: the moon.
Speaker 9: Actually Houston over about a second, it seems a weird
Speaker 9: alien pond just appeared on our spaceship.
Speaker 7: Uh, whoopspeed, gotta go, Niminy. We're taking off to March
Speaker 7: twenty fifth, nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 5: Lee.
Speaker 4: This crowd we're in is huge.
Speaker 3: There must be twenty five thousand people and we appear
Speaker 3: to be marching toward that official looking building.
Speaker 7: Incredible, guest, Nimini, there are twenty five thousand people and
Speaker 7: that building is the Alabama State Capitol in Montgomery.
Speaker 8: Hm.
Speaker 2: Why do I feel like we're witnessing one of the
Speaker 2: biggest moments of activism in the civil rights movement?
Speaker 4: Because we are.
Speaker 7: You see, four days ago, about three thousand people had
Speaker 7: gathered in Selma, Alabama, fifty four miles away and began
Speaker 7: the march to the capitol.
Speaker 4: That's a law march.
Speaker 2: And you're saying most of this crowd joined the march
Speaker 2: along the way. Yeah.
Speaker 7: For four days people came out all along the march route,
Speaker 7: dressed in their Sunday best, to sit on their porches
Speaker 7: and wave at the marchers, cheering with support and admiration
Speaker 7: and At each town, more marchers of all ages join
Speaker 7: the group, waving American flags and making front page headlines
Speaker 7: in the newspapers.
Speaker 2: And once this huge crowd gets to the capitol, what
Speaker 2: do they do.
Speaker 7: They're going to deliver a petition signed by black voters
Speaker 7: demanding an end to discriminatory voting registration practices.
Speaker 3: Wait, so you mean to tell me that even though
Speaker 3: black people have the right to vote in nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 3: some people would still try to stop them from voting.
Speaker 7: Exactly, Many states would use racist strategies like intentionally confusing
Speaker 7: and misleading literacy tests to prevent black voters from successfully registering.
Speaker 4: That's horrible, it was.
Speaker 7: Which is why activists were organizing and fighting to draw
Speaker 7: attention to their cause.
Speaker 2: And luckily this march did just that.
Speaker 7: It did, but even that was a struggle. The first
Speaker 7: two times they attempted a march to Montgomery, they were
Speaker 7: met with violent resistance from Heckler's and state police. Awful
Speaker 7: images broadcast on black and white TVs shocked people in
Speaker 7: households across the country, and even motivated the President to
Speaker 7: provide US Army troops and the Alabama National Guard to
Speaker 7: protect the marchers On their third attempt.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it took so much organizing and fighting.
Speaker 4: Is that Martin.
Speaker 2: Luther King Junior giving a speech?
Speaker 4: Indeed it is, Oh.
Speaker 2: I know this parts, oh, and it gives me chills
Speaker 2: every time.
Speaker 4: This is where doctor King says, I come to.
Speaker 3: Say to you this afternoon, however difficult the moment, however frustrate,
Speaker 3: in the hour, It will not be long.
Speaker 2: Because truth crust to earth will rise again.
Speaker 4: How long? Not long?
Speaker 2: Because no lie I can live forever.
Speaker 4: How long?
Speaker 2: Not long? Because you shall reap what you sew? How long?
Speaker 4: Not long?
Speaker 3: Because the arc of the moral universe is long, but
Speaker 3: it bends toward justice.
Speaker 2: Flown Emony, You really know that speech?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I have the whole thing memorized. But where does
Speaker 4: Claudette Covin come into this?
Speaker 3: And now did a southern city Liketgomery, Alabama become.
Speaker 2: The center for the civil rights movement? Phenomenal questions.
Speaker 7: Let's stay in Montgomery, but go back a little further
Speaker 7: and take a look.
Speaker 3: I know where we are, but I don't know when
Speaker 3: we are. And why are black and white people drinking
Speaker 3: from different water fountains over there?
Speaker 7: It's nineteen fifty five, ten years before the Voting Rights March.
Speaker 7: A time when people were separated by the color of
Speaker 7: their skin. This is called segregation, and according to a
Speaker 7: set of laws called Jim Crow Laws that have been
Speaker 7: around since the end of the Civil War, it's legal.
Speaker 7: That's about one hundred years of laws invented to make
Speaker 7: life harder for Black Americans. There are separate drinking fountains, elevators, hospitals,
Speaker 7: bathrooms and breakrooms, swimming pools, churches, lunch counters.
Speaker 4: The list goes on and on.
Speaker 3: And buses. Black Americans were forced to sit in the
Speaker 3: back of buses.
Speaker 7: And in Montgomery, forty thousand black residents ride the buses.
Speaker 7: That's seventy five percent of the total riders in the city.
Speaker 7: And yet they are legally forced to enter through the
Speaker 7: overcrowded back door of the bus, sit in the back seats,
Speaker 7: and give up their seats for any white passengers who
Speaker 7: want to sit down.
Speaker 3: But if we're in nineteen fifty five, didn't the federal
Speaker 3: government at least order schools to be integrated in nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty four everyone should be allowed to go to school together.
Speaker 7: Right, Absolutely, that's what the law said. But the reality
Speaker 7: in Montgomery and almost everywhere in the South is that
Speaker 7: some white people were still fighting to keep people apart,
Speaker 7: and the schools black children are forced to attend are
Speaker 7: almost always the least funded, with the poorest quality supplies, books,
Speaker 7: and classrooms.
Speaker 4: How are those kids supposed to learn?
Speaker 2: Luckily?
Speaker 7: There's an organization called the N DOUBLEACP, the National Association
Speaker 7: for the Advancement of Colored People. The branch here in
Speaker 7: Montgomery was the first in all of Alabama and was
Speaker 7: founded way back in nineteen thirteen.
Speaker 3: Cool I know about the NAACP. Their goal is to
Speaker 3: educate and organize folks in the community to fight back
Speaker 3: against segregation and other types of discrimination so that black
Speaker 3: people can get the respect and opportunities they deserve.
Speaker 7: Precisely and recognizing the needs of black children in Montgomery,
Speaker 7: the n DOUBLEACP started a youth group and guests who
Speaker 7: they put in charge of shaping young minds.
Speaker 2: Rosa Parks.
Speaker 7: That's right, And what's really wild is that the thing
Speaker 7: Rosa Parks is most famous for was actually done by
Speaker 7: a fifteen year old girl from her youth group, Claudet Covin.
Speaker 4: Ha haa bingo.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's all coming together.
Speaker 3: But Lee, why didn't Quadette Covin get to be as
Speaker 3: famous as Rosa Parks.
Speaker 7: Well, even though she was the first to do it,
Speaker 7: the movement knew that she was super young and had
Speaker 7: other things going on.
Speaker 4: Like being the kid.
Speaker 7: So the movement chose to set up Rosa Parks to
Speaker 7: be nationally recognized for protesting on a bus.
Speaker 2: I truly had no idea about all that behind the
Speaker 2: scenes stuff that made the civil rights movement possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Even though Rosa Parks famous protests seems spontaneous, everything was
Speaker 7: meticulously planned.
Speaker 4: Same with the.
Speaker 7: March to Montgomery. It took several tries and a ton
Speaker 7: of organization.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Lee. That was increas udibly helpful. I think
Speaker 3: I have enough information now for the song. Now will
Speaker 3: you take us back to my top secret bunker.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 3: We're back, yes, Oh and I'm late for a recording session,
Speaker 3: but luckily I brought my skateboard, helmet and he pads
Speaker 3: and am ready.
Speaker 4: To roll finally. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Okay, listeners, keep up, We are once again on the move,
Speaker 3: right down instead of stairs.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, still got it. And here we are.
Speaker 3: Oh look, the musicians are ready to go. Time to
Speaker 3: make another epic shining song for the ages. And this
Speaker 3: time Nemony's on the mic. Claudette, that's my name, Miss Alabama.
Speaker 3: Born and raised this Montgomery to be specific, hope you
Speaker 3: don't mind beat on the risk. Six zero nine zero
Speaker 3: five thirty nine the birth date of a future leader
Speaker 3: civil rights activistic catalysts to be Montgomery bus boycott again with.
Speaker 2: Me, Montgomery bus boycott. That is correct. A lot of
Speaker 2: people don't know about the juicy tid bit.
Speaker 3: Couldn't be the face of the movement because I wasn't.
Speaker 2: Ridging because of my complexion.
Speaker 3: I'm never in the press just thinking I was only fifteen,
Speaker 3: followed with my routine and a segregat of see. Years
Speaker 3: after that occur went. I couldn't find work, and I
Speaker 3: moved to New York and he got.
Speaker 2: In to nurse it.
Speaker 8: It began with me.
Speaker 2: Nine before Rosa.
Speaker 4: It was Claude Gorvin, and it began women. Did you know?
Speaker 6: Did you know I wouldn't give up my seat? Nine
Speaker 6: months before Rosa it was Claude Gorman.
Speaker 3: Let me start from the beginning. My dad left Mama's
Speaker 3: wallet was sim mean. See, I was born Claude Dede Austin.
Speaker 3: Then I went to live with my uncle and my aunt,
Speaker 3: and that's how I got the name. Calvin had a
Speaker 3: little sister e. I was the oh that lost her
Speaker 3: Napoli yog. God only knows my pain. I was so
Speaker 3: cyo logically strange looking to Washington High School. I started
Speaker 3: going there in ninety fifty two. I was in the city,
Speaker 3: a place I couldn't walk to, so ride in the
Speaker 3: bus is what I had to do. It was nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty five and they didn't give up my seed.
Speaker 4: They called the.
Speaker 2: Police and they arrested in me.
Speaker 3: But I had been learning about my ancestry and then
Speaker 3: the youth count up with ina a sea paint, so
Speaker 3: I said, I know my constritutional rights. There was an
Speaker 3: empty rubberside and me, so this isn't right. Jimmy Crosses,
Speaker 3: black skin said across from the white.
Speaker 2: We always got to be behind them.
Speaker 3: And this sudden I'm like, put me off the Plus,
Speaker 3: I didn't fight work bus. I didn't feel fear because
Speaker 3: I was young and tough. To put me in an
Speaker 3: adult fell with no phone call. But my friends went
Speaker 3: to find my mom.
Speaker 4: And it began with me.
Speaker 6: Nine before they was Clovin and it began with me.
Speaker 4: Did you know?
Speaker 2: Did you know I wouldn't give up my seat nine before.
Speaker 8: Vin.
Speaker 2: One year later, we had brought a versus Gail.
Speaker 3: I was one of five plaintifs talking about how the
Speaker 3: law had failed by the bust and we wasn't gonna
Speaker 3: take a fighter record. They made the decision in the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court. They made that decision that the bus deegregation.
Speaker 4: Was against the constitution and they ended it permanently. And
Speaker 4: to begin with me nine fours it was Covid and
Speaker 4: the beginning with me, did you know? Did you know
Speaker 4: I wouldn't give.
Speaker 6: Up the sea nine?
Speaker 2: That's my name? This Alabama borner, mind your mind zwer
Speaker 2: o'clock time again with me? Oh, I almost forgot.
Speaker 3: The city of Montgomery, Alabama declared Mark second Claudet Covid day.
Speaker 7: WHOA.
Speaker 4: That was incredible And while.
Speaker 3: The circumstances couldn't be more different, it's really got me
Speaker 3: thinking about my own life.
Speaker 2: Funny how history can inform the present. Holl listeners, Hey, Jena,
Speaker 2: do you know where my mom is?
Speaker 9: Look at Ah?
Speaker 2: Of course the personal history room. Where else would she be?
Speaker 10: Eh?
Speaker 3: Yes, Tina, I know we have an interview lined up
Speaker 3: in five minutes, but I've got to do something first.
Speaker 4: Now, do you mind if I borrow your scooter? Thanks?
Speaker 2: Tina? Right opposite of sticks.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, still good.
Speaker 2: And here we are, Hi mom, Hey, sweetheart, what you're
Speaker 2: doing in here?
Speaker 5: Just looking at old pictures? Look at this one?
Speaker 4: Oh it's me as a teenager.
Speaker 5: Honey, that's a picture of me.
Speaker 2: Wow, we really do look alike.
Speaker 5: Huh strong jeans baby.
Speaker 2: Anyway, MoMA, I wanted to ask more about you setting
Speaker 2: up the security system.
Speaker 4: I still can't believe you did that.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 8: Get in a top secret bunker up and running, it's
Speaker 8: no small tasks, and I was thrilled to be able
Speaker 8: to pitch in. So I pulled some permits, got the
Speaker 8: security system running, Hiatina and the other raccoons, and taught
Speaker 8: them how to use all the sound equipment, just some
Speaker 8: behind the scene details.
Speaker 4: You low key paved the way for my dream.
Speaker 8: You're not the first person in this family to love
Speaker 8: history and hip hop, and I thought your idea to
Speaker 8: combine them was genius.
Speaker 2: I had no idea you did so much to make
Speaker 2: this happen.
Speaker 8: In my experience, whenever something big happens, it takes a
Speaker 8: lot of people to pull it off. I'm learning that yeah,
Speaker 8: and not everyone can be the face of a movement.
Speaker 8: Some people have to set up the security system.
Speaker 2: Thanks Mom, I love you and I really appreciate your support.
Speaker 5: I love you too.
Speaker 4: Oh look my old rollerblades. I'll use those to get
Speaker 4: to the interview.
Speaker 5: Don't forget your helmet here.
Speaker 4: Great call.
Speaker 2: Okay, listeners, it's time to go meet two totally extraordinary people.
Speaker 2: Down the hole and.
Speaker 3: Left and right and avoid the stairs this time by
Speaker 3: using the elevator. Not sure what I didn't take the
Speaker 3: elevator before, but you know you'll have an new learn.
Speaker 3: And speaking of learning, we have arrived at the room
Speaker 3: where I have video calls.
Speaker 2: Today we're meeting two incredible people. Hi, Roxanne and Stella.
Speaker 2: Can you kick things off by introducing yourselves.
Speaker 9: My name is Roxanne Gay. I'm a space cowboy and
Speaker 9: I'm kidding. My name is Roxanne Gay. I am a writer,
Speaker 9: a teacher, and an editor.
Speaker 10: My name is Della Carolina and I am six years old.
Speaker 10: My favorite thing in life is TV.
Speaker 4: Hi, not sane?
Speaker 2: Hi, Stella, Stella? What were you hoping to learn from
Speaker 2: Roxanne about Claudette Coulfin?
Speaker 10: Why do kids learn about Rosa Parks but not Claudet
Speaker 10: co That's a.
Speaker 9: Great question, Stella. You know, there are a couple reasons. One,
Speaker 9: when Claudette Colvin refused to give up to her seat
Speaker 9: to a white woman, she was a teenager and at
Speaker 9: the time, and quite frankly, even now, people don't always
Speaker 9: take kids seriously. So Rosa Parks when she refused to
Speaker 9: give up her seat, she was older, she was a professional,
Speaker 9: she had, you know, the right skin tone, she had
Speaker 9: the right kind of hair, and so leaders of the
Speaker 9: civil rights movement thought that Rosa Parks might be a
Speaker 9: better person to represent the entire movement. But you know
Speaker 9: that doesn't take away from what Claudette Colvin did.
Speaker 10: How much has changed with civil rights since Claudet Colvin
Speaker 10: was the key.
Speaker 9: When Claudette Colvin first refused to give up her seat
Speaker 9: on that bus in Alabama, things were really different, and
Speaker 9: we still deal with racism and other forms of bigotry now.
Speaker 9: But most of the laws that made it possible for
Speaker 9: Claudette Covin to be arrested no longer exist. We no
Speaker 9: longer live ideally in a segregated society. Everyone gets to
Speaker 9: live together and share our communities together. We are more
Speaker 9: able to point out injustice when we see it. And
Speaker 9: I'll tell you what, cell phone cameras have done an
Speaker 9: incredible amount of good because now we can provide evidence
Speaker 9: of the issues that we deal with, particularly with police
Speaker 9: and other sort of forms of public racism that we
Speaker 9: see on a day to day basis. So things are
Speaker 9: getting better, but we shouldn't get comfortable because we have
Speaker 9: so much left.
Speaker 10: To do, Like how much to do? You know?
Speaker 9: I think about that every single day. Every single day
Speaker 9: I wonder like, hmm, is this something we're going to
Speaker 9: solve in my lifetime? I will say that we have
Speaker 9: to continue to fight for civil rights until lawmakers can
Speaker 9: no longer decide which rights we're allowed to have. And
Speaker 9: so right now we have quite a ways left to go,
Speaker 9: but at least we know where are headed.
Speaker 2: Stella, do you have any questions for Roxanne about her
Speaker 2: work or career?
Speaker 10: How are you Roxane? Part of making change now?
Speaker 9: Well, one of the key things I try to do
Speaker 9: in my work is to talk about the issues that
Speaker 9: I find to be most pressing in ways that everyone
Speaker 9: will be able to connect to. And I always try
Speaker 9: to bring attention to the people who are taking the
Speaker 9: really big risks by protesting and sometimes even having to
Speaker 9: engage with law enforcement and doing some of the really
Speaker 9: challenging things that can come along with living the life
Speaker 9: of an activist.
Speaker 10: How can I be an activist?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 9: One of the best ways that you can be an activist,
Speaker 9: especially at your age, is to pay attention to the
Speaker 9: news and ask questions about the world and the people
Speaker 9: that we elect as our leaders and the issues that
Speaker 9: we should all be caring about.
Speaker 2: Wow, does this mean that anyone can be an activist?
Speaker 9: Anyone can be an activist. All you have to do
Speaker 9: is care about yourself and other people and the world
Speaker 9: that we live in. If you do that, you are
Speaker 9: already well on your way to being an activist.
Speaker 10: I already do that, Yes see.
Speaker 4: I mean look at you.
Speaker 9: You're an activist already, and I think that's amazing. I
Speaker 9: think more people should be willing to be an activist
Speaker 9: because there are a lot of problems in this world
Speaker 9: and it's going to take all of us to solve them.
Speaker 2: This husband so great. Thank you both for being here.
Speaker 10: Thank you for answering oh my question.
Speaker 9: Well, thank you for asking the questions. It's been just
Speaker 9: the highlight of my day talking to you.
Speaker 3: Stella listeners, thanks for joining in today and for going
Speaker 3: on a journey with me to learn about the great
Speaker 3: Claudet Colvin and a giant. Thank you to today's guests
Speaker 3: Stella and ro sand Gek Remember parents and teachers. You
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Speaker 11: Historical Records is produced in partnership with story Pirate Studios,
Speaker 11: Questlove's two on five Entertainment, John Glickman and iHeart Podcasts
Speaker 11: Executive produced by Emir Questlove Thompson, John Glickman, Lee Overtree
Speaker 11: and Benjamin Salka. Executive produced for iHeart Podcasts by Noel Brown.
Speaker 11: Producers for story Pirate Studios are Isabella Riccio, Sam Bear,
Speaker 11: Eric Gerson, Andrew Miller, Lee Overtree, Peter McNerney and niminy Ware.
Speaker 11: Producers for two one five are Sean G. Britney, Benjamin
Speaker 11: and Sarah Zolman. Hosted by niminy Ware. Our head writer
Speaker 11: is Duke Doyle. Our historians are Gabe Pacheco and Lee Polus.
Speaker 11: Music supervision for two one five by Stroe Elliott. Scoring
Speaker 11: and music supervision for Story Pired Studios by Eric Erson.
Speaker 11: Sound designed and mixing by Sam Bear at the Relic
Speaker 11: Room in New York City, Song mastering by Josh Hahn.
Speaker 11: Theme song by Dan Foster and Eric Gerson and produced
Speaker 11: by Eric Erson. Production coordination by Isabelle Riccio. Production management
Speaker 11: by Maggie Lee. The line producer for Story Pired Studios
Speaker 11: is Glennisprawl. Pr for Story Pired Studios is provided by
Speaker 11: Naomi Shaw. Episode artwork by Camilla Franklin. This episode was
Speaker 11: written by Duke Doyle. The song Claude at Colvin was
Speaker 11: written by Niminyware and produced by Stroe Elliott with additional
Speaker 11: production by Eric Gerson. Special guests Rock sand Gay and
Speaker 11: kid interviewer Stella. This episode features performances by Barbara Currn,
Speaker 11: Tessa Hirsch, Peter McNerney, Lee Overtree, and Lee Polus. Special
Speaker 11: thanks J T.
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