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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, y'all? This is Questlove. Get ready to

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Speaker 1: check out an episode of Historical Records executive produced by

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Speaker 1: myself and the story pirates. It's an explosive fusion of

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Speaker 1: hip hop and history, tailor made for music loving kids

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Speaker 1: and families. You're that correctly something the entire family can

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Speaker 1: listen to and enjoy together. In this episode, host Nemony

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Speaker 1: creates a hip hop track about the civil rights activist

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Speaker 1: Claudette Covid, who, as a teenager, refused to give up

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Speaker 1: her seat on an Alabama city bus months before Rosa

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Speaker 1: Park's famous protest. Get your kids, sit back and enjoy

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Speaker 1: Historical Records, the show that proves that in order to

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Speaker 1: make history, you have to make some noise.

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Speaker 2: Hello, listeners, it's me Nemony. I'm here in my top

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Speaker 2: secret underground bunker.

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Speaker 3: As usual, I'm with my team of sound engineer Raccoons, Tina.

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Speaker 2: Don't be rude.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Now follow me everyone, and justin heads up. I

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Speaker 3: want very quickly. Some say that the way I walk

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Speaker 3: is nearly running, but we have no time to waste

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Speaker 3: because today's historical figure is Clawet Colvin. Luckily, the conditions

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Speaker 3: for historical research are perfect. It's a beautiful day inside

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Speaker 3: my top secret underground bunker. It might even be a

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Speaker 3: beautiful day outside my top secret underground bunker. To be honest,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been outside in a Week's what, Tua?

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Speaker 4: That's crazy?

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Speaker 2: You want me to go outside right now?

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Speaker 5: Why would I do that?

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Speaker 2: Whoa Tina?

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Speaker 4: When you're right? You're right, Going outside.

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Speaker 3: Is critical for my mental health. We have a lot

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Speaker 3: to do, but I should take a quick moment to

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Speaker 3: look outside and feel the sun on my face. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll just peek out this emergency exit.

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Speaker 2: And why did I do that?

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Speaker 5: It's Historical Records.

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Speaker 2: You are now listening to Historical We're to make history.

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Speaker 2: You got to have struggles to make history. You got

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Speaker 2: to show poised.

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Speaker 3: Cannot be quiet loud as the riot to make history,

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Speaker 3: you gotta.

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Speaker 6: Make some noise.

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Speaker 3: Listeners, welcome back to Historical Records, where we conduct highly

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Speaker 3: experimental experiments combining history and hip hop. Today's episode is

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Speaker 3: about the trailblazing civil rights activist CLAUW Deck Covin.

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Speaker 2: Also, I just tripped the alarm. The alarm has been

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Speaker 2: tripped there maybe and intruder. No, no, no, there's no intrudery.

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Speaker 2: It was me.

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Speaker 6: I cannot thank your word.

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Speaker 2: Worry, I'll come on disembodied robot BOYD.

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Speaker 3: Three that might come in one minute, or the authority

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I hate bureaucracy. Also one meant that's not

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Speaker 4: And I don't even know where to turn off the

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Speaker 4: securities and stuff. Tina, why don't we got it down? Wait?

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Speaker 3: We have a security center I passed yesterday. That must

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Speaker 3: I'm remembering correctly, it's directly below us, about forty stories down.

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Speaker 3: Come on, raccoons, we'll take the stairs. Ah, you're right,

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Speaker 3: we won't get there fast enough. Brilliant idea, Tina. We'll

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Speaker 3: jump down the garbage chute and it'll take us straight there. Raccoon,

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Speaker 2: I'm really oh my lord, oh soft.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's nice, Tina? How nice is this?

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Speaker 2: Am? I? Right? Okay, no time, we got to turn

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Speaker 7: You have.

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Speaker 3: All right, Let's open up the breaker and see what

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Speaker 3: where were you with? Oh no, that is a lot

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Speaker 8: Recommendation, do not run the wrong wire.

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Speaker 4: Not good, Tina, Any ideas I got you? Honey, Mama?

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Speaker 4: What are you doing here?

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Speaker 8: Well, sweetie, for one, I thought I helped you turn

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Speaker 8: off the alarm.

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Speaker 5: Trust me, you do not want to deal with all

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Speaker 4: You're right about that.

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Speaker 5: I just got to pull out the right plug.

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Speaker 3: I did not see this coming, Mama. You sure you

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Speaker 5: It's this one, I think.

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Speaker 6: Shut down?

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Speaker 4: You did it?

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Speaker 5: Now, give me a second. I gotta boot it back up.

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Speaker 5: We don't want any in just getting in here.

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Speaker 3: Systems intuders don't stand a can.

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Speaker 4: How in the world did you know how to do that?

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Speaker 5: Honey?

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Speaker 8: I set up the whole security system. You did, Yes,

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Speaker 8: you hit a lot on your plate at the time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want to hear way more about that, but

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Speaker 3: see you later, okay, Mom, Bye, Honey.

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Speaker 4: I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 2: Listeners, keep up with me. We're walk running to the library,

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Speaker 2: and while we're on the move, I need to level

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Speaker 3: The good news is that I have a truly sick

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Speaker 3: be lined up for today. The slightly less good news

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Speaker 3: is that I really do not know much about today's

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Speaker 3: historical figure. I mean, I know Claudette Covin was a

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Speaker 3: part of the civil rights movement, fighting for equal rights

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Speaker 4: Obviously I need more than that.

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Speaker 3: And here we are at the gigantic library.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I love it in here. So now we just

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Speaker 3: That was a weird echo that sounded nothing like me anyway,

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Speaker 3: like I was saying, because I don't have enough.

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Speaker 2: Info right now. I guess you could say I'm stuck.

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Speaker 4: I'm stuck.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I can't be the only one hearing that bad

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Speaker 3: echo that sounds nothing like my voice.

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Speaker 4: Nimini, I'm not an echo. It's me Lee.

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Speaker 7: I'm trapped under a giant book.

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Speaker 4: WHOA look at the giant book. I'm coming one, two, three.

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Speaker 2: You. Oh, that is much better, Lee. I know you

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Speaker 2: like to bear your head in a book, but that

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Speaker 7: It was actually really informative until the emotional weight of

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Speaker 7: too much. Anyway, are you ready to immerse yourself in history?

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Speaker 2: As long as you know what I mean, trapping ourselves

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Speaker 7: Absolutely well, then step into the history simulator.

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Speaker 3: Lee, with respect, I wish the history simulator didn't look

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Speaker 7: I'll consider that feedback for my next simulator.

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Speaker 2: Okay, where are we hitting to see?

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Speaker 7: A very brave young woman who refuses to give up

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Speaker 7: her seat on the bus, Claudette Colvin.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait wait, I thought that was Rosa Parks.

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Speaker 7: Rosa Parks refuse to give up her seat, But Claudette

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Speaker 7: Colvin did it first.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a twist.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea.

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Speaker 2: You know what, before we.

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Speaker 7: Go visit Claudette Colvin, let's bop around a bit, get

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Speaker 7: the full context.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 7: Nineteen sixty four, Here we come.

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Speaker 4: Whoo, Lee? Are we on a live TV set?

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Speaker 2: You bet?

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Speaker 4: We are?

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Speaker 2: Oh cool? Look at those four dudes in suits.

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Speaker 7: Those four dudes are the Beatles and this is their

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Speaker 7: USA debut on the Ex Cullivan Show. There was so

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Speaker 3: Who you gotta warm me when we're taking off?

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Speaker 2: Lee? Ah?

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Speaker 4: So where are we now? What are all these buttons hoston?

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Speaker 7: We are a gover, Lee, I'm on a spaceship not

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Speaker 9: Actually Houston over about a second, it seems a weird

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Speaker 7: Uh, whoopspeed, gotta go, Niminy. We're taking off to March

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Speaker 7: twenty fifth, nineteen sixty five.

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Speaker 5: Lee.

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Speaker 4: This crowd we're in is huge.

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Speaker 3: There must be twenty five thousand people and we appear

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Speaker 7: Incredible, guest, Nimini, there are twenty five thousand people and

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Speaker 7: that building is the Alabama State Capitol in Montgomery.

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Speaker 8: Hm.

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Speaker 2: Why do I feel like we're witnessing one of the

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Speaker 4: Because we are.

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Speaker 7: You see, four days ago, about three thousand people had

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Speaker 7: the march to the capitol.

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Speaker 4: That's a law march.

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Speaker 2: And you're saying most of this crowd joined the march

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Speaker 7: For four days people came out all along the march route,

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Speaker 7: and At each town, more marchers of all ages join

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Speaker 2: And once this huge crowd gets to the capitol, what

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Speaker 7: They're going to deliver a petition signed by black voters

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Speaker 3: Wait, so you mean to tell me that even though

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Speaker 3: black people have the right to vote in nineteen sixty four,

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Speaker 3: some people would still try to stop them from voting.

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Speaker 7: Exactly, Many states would use racist strategies like intentionally confusing

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Speaker 4: That's horrible, it was.

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Speaker 7: Which is why activists were organizing and fighting to draw

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Speaker 2: And luckily this march did just that.

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Speaker 7: It did, but even that was a struggle. The first

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Speaker 7: two times they attempted a march to Montgomery, they were

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Speaker 7: met with violent resistance from Heckler's and state police. Awful

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Speaker 7: images broadcast on black and white TVs shocked people in

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Speaker 7: provide US Army troops and the Alabama National Guard to

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Speaker 7: protect the marchers On their third attempt.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it took so much organizing and fighting.

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Speaker 4: Is that Martin.

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Speaker 2: Luther King Junior giving a speech?

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Speaker 4: Indeed it is, Oh.

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Speaker 2: I know this parts, oh, and it gives me chills

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Speaker 2: every time.

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Speaker 4: This is where doctor King says, I come to.

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Speaker 3: Say to you this afternoon, however difficult the moment, however frustrate,

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Speaker 3: in the hour, It will not be long.

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Speaker 2: Because truth crust to earth will rise again.

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Speaker 4: How long? Not long?

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Speaker 2: Because no lie I can live forever.

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Speaker 4: How long?

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Speaker 2: Not long? Because you shall reap what you sew? How long?

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Speaker 4: Not long?

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Speaker 3: Because the arc of the moral universe is long, but

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Speaker 3: it bends toward justice.

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Speaker 2: Flown Emony, You really know that speech?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I have the whole thing memorized. But where does

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Speaker 4: Claudette Covin come into this?

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Speaker 3: And now did a southern city Liketgomery, Alabama become.

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Speaker 2: The center for the civil rights movement? Phenomenal questions.

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Speaker 7: It's nineteen fifty five, ten years before the Voting Rights March.

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Speaker 7: And in Montgomery, forty thousand black residents ride the buses.

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Speaker 3: But if we're in nineteen fifty five, didn't the federal

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Speaker 7: Right, Absolutely, that's what the law said. But the reality

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Speaker 3: Cool I know about the NAACP. Their goal is to

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Speaker 7: Precisely and recognizing the needs of black children in Montgomery,

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Speaker 2: Rosa Parks.

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Speaker 7: That's right, And what's really wild is that the thing

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Speaker 4: Ha haa bingo.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's all coming together.

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Speaker 7: So the movement chose to set up Rosa Parks to

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Speaker 2: I truly had no idea about all that behind the

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Speaker 7: Even though Rosa Parks famous protests seems spontaneous, everything was

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Speaker 7: March to Montgomery. It took several tries and a ton

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Lee. That was increas udibly helpful. I think

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Speaker 3: I have enough information now for the song. Now will

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 3: We're back, yes, Oh and I'm late for a recording session,

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Speaker 4: To roll finally. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, listeners, keep up, We are once again on the move,

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, still got it. And here we are.

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Speaker 3: Oh look, the musicians are ready to go. Time to

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Speaker 3: time Nemony's on the mic. Claudette, that's my name, Miss Alabama.

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Speaker 3: Born and raised this Montgomery to be specific, hope you

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Speaker 3: civil rights activistic catalysts to be Montgomery bus boycott again with.

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Speaker 2: Me, Montgomery bus boycott. That is correct. A lot of

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Speaker 3: Couldn't be the face of the movement because I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I'm never in the press just thinking I was only fifteen,

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Speaker 2: In to nurse it.

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Speaker 8: It began with me.

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Speaker 2: Nine before Rosa.

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Speaker 4: It was Claude Gorvin, and it began women. Did you know?

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Speaker 6: Did you know I wouldn't give up my seat? Nine

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Speaker 3: Let me start from the beginning. My dad left Mama's

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Speaker 3: But I had been learning about my ancestry and then

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Speaker 3: And this sudden I'm like, put me off the Plus,

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Speaker 3: I didn't fight work bus. I didn't feel fear because

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Speaker 4: And it began with me.

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Speaker 6: Nine before they was Clovin and it began with me.

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Speaker 2: Did you know I wouldn't give up my seat nine before.

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Speaker 2: One year later, we had brought a versus Gail.

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Speaker 3: I was one of five plaintifs talking about how the

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Speaker 6: Up the sea nine?

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Speaker 2: That's my name? This Alabama borner, mind your mind zwer

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Speaker 3: The city of Montgomery, Alabama declared Mark second Claudet Covid day.

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Speaker 7: WHOA.

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Speaker 4: That was incredible And while.

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Speaker 3: The circumstances couldn't be more different, it's really got me

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Speaker 2: Funny how history can inform the present. Holl listeners, Hey, Jena,

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Speaker 9: Look at Ah?

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Speaker 2: Of course the personal history room. Where else would she be?

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Speaker 10: Eh?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Tina, I know we have an interview lined up

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Speaker 4: Now, do you mind if I borrow your scooter? Thanks?

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Speaker 2: Tina? Right opposite of sticks.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, still good.

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Speaker 2: And here we are, Hi mom, Hey, sweetheart, what you're

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Speaker 5: Just looking at old pictures? Look at this one?

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Speaker 4: Oh it's me as a teenager.

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Speaker 5: Honey, that's a picture of me.

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Speaker 2: Wow, we really do look alike.

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Speaker 5: Huh strong jeans baby.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, MoMA, I wanted to ask more about you setting

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Speaker 4: I still can't believe you did that.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 8: Get in a top secret bunker up and running, it's

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Speaker 4: You low key paved the way for my dream.

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Speaker 8: You're not the first person in this family to love

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Speaker 2: I had no idea you did so much to make

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Speaker 8: In my experience, whenever something big happens, it takes a

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Speaker 8: Some people have to set up the security system.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Mom, I love you and I really appreciate your support.

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Speaker 5: I love you too.

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Speaker 4: Oh look my old rollerblades. I'll use those to get

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Speaker 5: Don't forget your helmet here.

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Speaker 4: Great call.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listeners, it's time to go meet two totally extraordinary people.

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Speaker 2: Down the hole and.

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Speaker 3: Left and right and avoid the stairs this time by

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Speaker 3: And speaking of learning, we have arrived at the room

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Speaker 3: where I have video calls.

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Speaker 2: Today we're meeting two incredible people. Hi, Roxanne and Stella.

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Speaker 9: My name is Roxanne Gay. I'm a space cowboy and

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Speaker 9: I'm kidding. My name is Roxanne Gay. I am a writer,

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Speaker 10: My name is Della Carolina and I am six years old.

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Speaker 10: My favorite thing in life is TV.

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Speaker 4: Hi, not sane?

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Speaker 2: Hi, Stella, Stella? What were you hoping to learn from

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Speaker 2: Roxanne about Claudette Coulfin?

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Speaker 10: Why do kids learn about Rosa Parks but not Claudet

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Speaker 10: How much has changed with civil rights since Claudet Colvin

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Speaker 9: When Claudette Colvin first refused to give up her seat

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Speaker 9: I'll tell you what, cell phone cameras have done an

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Speaker 9: incredible amount of good because now we can provide evidence

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Speaker 9: of the issues that we deal with, particularly with police

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Speaker 9: getting better, but we shouldn't get comfortable because we have

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Speaker 10: To do, Like how much to do? You know?

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Speaker 9: I think about that every single day. Every single day

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Speaker 9: I wonder like, hmm, is this something we're going to

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Speaker 9: to continue to fight for civil rights until lawmakers can

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Speaker 2: Stella, do you have any questions for Roxanne about her

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Speaker 2: work or career?

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Speaker 10: How are you Roxane? Part of making change now?

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Speaker 9: Well, one of the key things I try to do

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Speaker 9: to bring attention to the people who are taking the

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Speaker 9: challenging things that can come along with living the life

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Speaker 9: of an activist.

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Speaker 10: How can I be an activist?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 9: One of the best ways that you can be an activist,

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Speaker 9: especially at your age, is to pay attention to the

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Speaker 9: news and ask questions about the world and the people

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Speaker 9: we should all be caring about.

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Speaker 2: Wow, does this mean that anyone can be an activist?

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Speaker 9: Anyone can be an activist. All you have to do

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Speaker 9: that we live in. If you do that, you are

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Speaker 9: already well on your way to being an activist.

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Speaker 10: I already do that, Yes see.

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Speaker 4: I mean look at you.

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Speaker 9: You're an activist already, and I think that's amazing. I

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Speaker 9: think more people should be willing to be an activist

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Speaker 9: because there are a lot of problems in this world

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Speaker 9: and it's going to take all of us to solve them.

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Speaker 2: This husband so great. Thank you both for being here.

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Speaker 10: Thank you for answering oh my question.

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Speaker 9: Well, thank you for asking the questions. It's been just

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Speaker 9: the highlight of my day talking to you.

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Speaker 3: Stella listeners, thanks for joining in today and for going

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Speaker 3: on a journey with me to learn about the great

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Speaker 3: Claudet Colvin and a giant. Thank you to today's guests

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Speaker 3: back next week to make another historical record. Until then,

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Speaker 3: remember to make history, you gotta make some noise.

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