1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: You were listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Italy is an interesting place because it was for so 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: long these city states. There was the Vatican, of course 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: for thousands of years, which was Rome dominated by the 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: Roman Catholic Church, and then there were you know, in 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: the north there was a tremendous influence from German and 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: French foodte you have butter. Then Genoa they were fishermen, 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: of course, because they was on the sea. Did you 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: know that the Neapolitans make something called pastela Genovese, which 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: is a Neapolitan dish called pastase, and it's made one 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: hundred percent with onions. And the point the reason they 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: call it Allergendovese is because the Neapolitans think that the 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: Genovesi are real cheap skates. 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: They are apparently, well, I shouldn't say that, because one 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: of my best friend is yeah. 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: And so they Neapolitans make the cheapest dish they can, 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: which is onions and they call Jennavese. Uh. And of course, 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: as you know, every every region of Italy has a 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: different specialty, certainly its own pasta. So in the south, 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: in Pulia, they have orichuette, which are the little the 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: little ear like pastas, and then in Bologna they have 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: portalini or whatever. The story I like to tell about 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: pizza because people think that pizza is this American staple. 24 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is when I was 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: a little kid, you know, before about five years old, 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: we used to go to a pizza and have pizza 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: and no one knew what that was. Where was this 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: in New York were we lived in Queens, but we 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: my father would take us to a restaurant I remember 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: called Luis Gino's and it was a very authentic news. 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: This is the forties, This would have to be, yeah, 32 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: in the forties, you know, forty four, because but no 33 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: one knew in America, no one had ever seen a pizza, 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: knew it a pizza. The kids said, what are you 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: going to a pizzaio? What's that? And in fact I 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: remember for fifty sons they he would even make a 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: little pizza that I would get, and pizza, of course 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: was a Neapolitan dish. But the American soldiers came up 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: in World War Two through North Africa and up and 40 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: went right through Naples, so they brought coca Cola, and 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: they brought back pizza, and they brought pizza back to America, 42 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: and then two years later pizza was the rare new thing. 43 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: As a kid, everyone knew what pizza was and. 44 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: What was the food like in the forties. 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: What. 46 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: So, you grew up in a family that cooked Italian food, 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: But I think that there's a big difference between Italian 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: food and Italian American food, don't you know. 49 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: Well, none of my family the region we come from, 50 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: not my mother's side that was Naples, but my father's 51 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: side and my grandfather's side, and he dominated what kind 52 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: of food his wife would cook, and he loved the 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: classic Bernaldes food, which is Lucania. Lucania is if you 54 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: look at Italy as a map, the arch of the 55 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: that's Lucania between Pulia and over here is Calabria, and 56 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: then in the center on the water and what's called 57 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: the Medponto is this region where we're from. My grandfather 58 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: wanted to eat Vanlez food. So my grandmother didn't know 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: how to cook that food because, believe it or not, 60 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: she was from South Italy, but she wasn't born there. 61 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Her father was from South Italy and he went to Tunis, 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: because Tunis was a new city built in nineteen hundred 63 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: and it was all built by Italians. And so he 64 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: went there and he had three girls, my grandmother, and 65 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: then Tunas. You had to be in cahots with a 66 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: French partner because Tunas was a French protectorate, and the 67 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: French partner double crossed him, and he got mad and 68 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: left and took his daughters and went to New York. 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: So there were these three girls, very well educated. They 70 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: spoke Italian because they were from an Italian family. They 71 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: spoke French because Tunas was a French they spoke Arabic 72 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: because their school was Arabic, and they spoke English because 73 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: they were going to go to America. So my grandmother, 74 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: what this wonderful grandmother was actually born in Tunis, but 75 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: she married my Italian grandfather and he wanted to eat 76 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: this type of food. It turned out that in the 77 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: railway station of this region, the guy who cooked that 78 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: the railway also went to New York, and that man's 79 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: son taught her how to cook all this authentic what 80 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: we call vernals food. And these are these very strange dishes. 81 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: There's one I'll describe to you called new Marid New Marid. 82 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: What Marid is is you take you take all the 83 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: sort of sweetbreads and lungs and and and awful, and 84 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: then you package it in something with it, you know, 85 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: and then yeah, and you make these these new meriads, 86 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: which then you cook on a grill like more like 87 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: it's not but new Merid is this is nu Merid. 88 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: There's only someone who knows it says this is numerid, 89 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: This is not humrid. Also something called figurative. Will you 90 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: take the lining of the stomach that looks like lace, 91 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: and you put a pork liver and a and a 92 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: bay leaf, and then you wrap all these all these 93 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: It is so they ate that kind of food, even 94 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: though back in Italy that kind of food was getting 95 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: co opted and changed by modern influences. 96 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: I mean they still there's a restaurant that has been 97 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: around for centuries which only cooks awful. 98 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: They give spinals slaghetti. 99 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: The tragedy is in America, the food and the authorization 100 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: have just blanketly refused to prove any awful whatsoever. So 101 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: you really have to go to the butcher on your 102 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: own and say this is just a personal. 103 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: When I lived in Paris, Francis. 104 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: There was a if you wanted to eat brains, they 105 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: would bring you up the head of the veal. 106 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: Well that we have that in our town. It's called 107 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: kabutzel and kaboot cell is literally the half of a 108 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: lamb's head split with the eye and everything in it 109 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: and all, and then it's made of reganato like sort 110 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: of regonato. Would be with the regano and breadcrumbs and 111 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: stuff in the oven roasted and we would be They 112 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: would bring this, and I was funny because the big 113 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: challenge was no one that I knew, even my big 114 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: brother who was daring and my grandfather. No one I 115 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: ever knew. Did I ever eat the eye? But but 116 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: I would eat the brain? 117 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: But I would eat I would eat the. 118 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: Brain because I thought if I ate the lamb's brain 119 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: that I would become smart. You ever heard of something 120 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: called lambroshone. What it is is, in reality the bulb 121 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: of a hyacinth, and it's a dish that's it looks 122 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: like a little onion, but it's not an onion. It's lombars. 123 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: We called it lambashun. There's two hundred ways of cooking them, 124 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: and it's your well, the favorite one is when you 125 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: sort of you bar boil them and then you you 126 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: score them, and then you put them in hot oil 127 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: and they burst into flowers. 128 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: What I want to talk about as well, There's so 129 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: many things we should meet again. I'd like to know 130 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: why did you buy a vineyard? You directed all these movies, 131 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: you did great things. Why would you go and buy 132 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: vineyards and start a great vineyard? 133 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: Do you want to know why I bought a vineyard? Yeah? Okay, 134 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: because when I was I'm an Italian American, which means 135 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: I never saw a table that didn't have wine on it. Yet. 136 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: United States had prohibition. But there was a rule in 137 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: prohibition that a few people know about, is that wine 138 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: drinking families. If you were a European or Italian, or 139 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: French or Hungarian or German, you were allowed to buy 140 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: the grapes and if you made it in your home, 141 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: you could make two barrels of wine in your own 142 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: fermenter in your home. So most Italians continued drinking wine 143 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: during prohibition, but did so by buying the grapes and 144 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: making the wine themselves. My grandfather did. But my grandfather 145 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: had nine boys and no girls, so I had all 146 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: these uncles, and these uncles told me of the fun 147 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: of having the grapes come because they still used to 148 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: steal the grapes because they didn't have fruit. A poor 149 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: family like mine would take one orange and give each 150 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: kid a segment of the orange. So they was so 151 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: all I heard was how much fun it was when 152 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: Grandpa made the wine and Italian Harlem. So when I 153 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: made the Godfather and had a little bit of money, 154 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: I suggested to my wife, let's buy a small house 155 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: in Napa with grapes and we'll have like an acre 156 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: of grapes, so we'll make wine and give it to 157 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: the family. So we went with an agent and the 158 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: agent told us this isn't for you, but they're going 159 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: to auction the most beautiful wine property in a Napa 160 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: valley and it's a chance to see it because it's 161 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not what you want to do. It's 162 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: much more money, but it's it's the home of the 163 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: family used to own ingle Nook because Inglenook was getting 164 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: broken up at that So we went looked at it. Well, 165 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: what year was this? This must have been after with 166 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: the Godfather. What was the huh? So seventy five? So 167 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: we went to see this place, and it had two things. 168 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: That had a mountain, a whole mountain, beautiful mountain. It 169 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: had one hundred acres of wine. And then there was 170 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: the rest of it was that where the owner lived, 171 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: and it was separate from the winery. And it had 172 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: what had been a lake that was now with a dam, 173 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: but it was sort of dried up, and it had 174 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: a little swing on a tree, and I thought my 175 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: daughter Sophia could swing on that swing. So I just 176 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: my wife thought I was crazy, but I made an 177 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: offer for it, and we didn't get it. Then everything 178 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: we looked at seemed ridiculous compared to this gorgeous thing. 179 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: So someone said that the people who did get it 180 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: were going to build sixty homes on the mountain, but 181 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: they ran into trouble with nap Is agricultural zoning. So 182 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: I went before I was going to make apocalypse, I 183 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: went to them and said, you know, I heard that 184 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: your owners can't build these sixty homes, would be be 185 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: interested in selling it to me? And they said yes, 186 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: and I said okay, And so to borrow the money. 187 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: It was about a million and a half dollars, which 188 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of money for me, but I had 189 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: made the Godfather, so they gave me the loan and 190 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: I went and made Apocalypse. 191 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: Now do you think that having a vineyard and producing 192 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: wine had parallels to making Oh? 193 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: Definitely. When I came back after I had tried to 194 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: buy an island in the Philippines, and my wife said, wisely, 195 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: when you you know you'll never come back here again. 196 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: It takes nine hours. And besides, you bought a winery 197 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: and they're all asking what do you want to do 198 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: with it? So I said, oh, you're right, And so 199 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: it had one hundred acres of vineyards and then NAPA 200 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: people come and try to put contract on. Other words, 201 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: other wine makers want to get those grapes, and they'll say, okay, 202 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: we'll pay for it, and we'll pay you a month. 203 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: So I said, well, if everyone wants our grapes, maybe 204 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: we shouldn't sell them. Maybe we should make wine ourselves. 205 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: And she said to me, well, how do you know 206 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: how to make wine? 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Now, 222 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 2: if we wanted to learn about wine, how do people 223 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: learn about wine? 224 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to ever be one of those 225 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: guys who. 226 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: Talks like that I wanted to smell. 227 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: The No, I don't. I don't want that. I just 228 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: want to appreciate it so I enjoy it. 229 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: So this is oscar ursa Milier, which is a cabinet 230 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: blend that's. 231 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: Probably seven cabinet three percent lowe something like that. Smell it, 232 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: put your nose. 233 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: Are you going to have one too? 234 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: So you look at it. It has a beautiful color, 235 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: it's this red. What do you smell well, beautiful bouquet, 236 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: A real wine. Guy goes, this is my laboratory. 237 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 3: You're pointing to your nose. 238 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: This is a classic book. Yeah, and new Bordos do 239 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: not or not they don't want a lot of alcohol, 240 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, like less than fourteen percent of. 241 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what is a classic border. 242 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: Classic Bordeaux is blending of cabinet with mellow and then 243 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: sometimes some others. 244 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: So Pett, this was actually made the man who makes 245 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: Chateau Margo and his is this your own? Chateau Marco 246 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: is our head of our fantastic he does both. But 247 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: this is a baby. 248 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: Okay, so this is the twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen. Do 249 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: you think it is too soon to be drinking? 250 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure. 251 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: When would you drink it? Then? 252 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: In twenty years? 253 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: In twenty years? Okay, but it's good, it's good. 254 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: We just have a little shake that we'll see you 255 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: here years. So what are you drinking now? What year 256 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: would you be drinking now? 257 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: Two thousand and five, two thousand and five. 258 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you how to drink it. 259 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: Okay, smell it, yeah, family, smell it. 260 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: Then when you take it, you put enough of it 261 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: so your mouth is full, but don't swallow it, and 262 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: you judge the mouthfield that it's a pleasure. Then slowly 263 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: you let it go and you see how long the 264 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: finish is a good wine that takes a long time 265 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: to finish. So this has a nice nose, pretty color. 266 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: Now now the mouthfeel h and a long finish. So 267 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: that is, but that will become much softer in four years. 268 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: It will become softer if you just. 269 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: That's good. 270 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: Now, you know it's enjoyable. Now. But let me let 271 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: me tell you something incredible. 272 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: Okay. 273 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: I had a taste of seventeen eighty three, seventeen seventy 274 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: three eighty three Margo, which was a wine that Thomas 275 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: Jefferson drank and you go on take it was unbelievable. 276 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: Where did teach. 277 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: Margo had a big tasting in la years ago? 278 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: Okay? 279 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: And I tell you this wine was incredible. And then 280 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: also I tasted nineteen ten, same tasting. 281 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: I want to go back to the seventeen eighty three wine, 282 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: so that they would have taken that wine out of 283 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: the bottle many many times, not really. 284 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: If it was, it was obviously kept at Bargo, so 285 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: it was perfectly. They might have recooked it a few times, 286 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: but now this is a This is an interesting wine 287 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: here because this. 288 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: Was okay, say what it is. 289 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: That's nineteen seven and nine knee Bomb couple. So that 290 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: was the first wine I made when I told my 291 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: wife that I was going to make. Uh, you want 292 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: to taste it? 293 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course this is nice. We should It were 294 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 3: seventy eight. 295 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: Okay, that's seventy eight. That's the first one we made. 296 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: I bought it last night. Beautiful wine. 297 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: Be interesting. It be interesting to compare that with this 298 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: because this is made by a master winemaker in perfect conditions, 299 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: and that was made by jerk me back well, who 300 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: didn't know anything. When I want but the grapes will 301 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean the terells, Yeah, yeah, If the grapes were great, 302 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: the wine will be greally. 303 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: How are you finding climate change effect? 304 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: So far? Our last years have been wonderful, but climate 305 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: change is coming and then there's going to be some 306 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: devastating events. That's what I wonder how Trump is going 307 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: to explain you know, he's saying there is it's a hoax. 308 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: I don't know how he's going to explain some of 309 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: the disasters they're. 310 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: Going to have. 311 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: But the one I was talking to the people that 312 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: we buy wine from in Kianti, and you know it's 313 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: agriculture and it's just changing. 314 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: Well, but you buy the super Tuscans, right they are 315 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: competing with these that's the Tinianello and. 316 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: Actually came to the Elson. 317 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 2: But they a lot of those young winemakers came to 318 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: you to learn their fathers were farmers, and the new 319 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 2: Italian winemakers are coming to California to learn what you're 320 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: doing in that. 321 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: But also you know there was a lot of wine 322 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: made in areas like Salento or down in Leche that 323 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: they that they used to put in the super Tuscans 324 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: and benefit them now that they're coming out as wines 325 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: from Salento, you know from the south, like have you. 326 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: Had the wine from Metna from Sicily? 327 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: No? 328 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: Oh we have? Do you like them? Oscar? 329 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: They're real, they're they're they're growing the wine on the 330 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: slopes of this is just open. 331 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: But if you'll find that if you let this sit 332 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: open all that I bet you this could go either way. 333 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: We don't know. 334 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 3: This is the seventy seventy eight, this is the one 335 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: I made. 336 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, let's see. 337 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: For yourself. 338 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: It's got a lot of nose. 339 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: Yes, and you see immediately the color is so much, 340 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 3: I mean brown. 341 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: See when I invited you to come and do this, 342 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: you didn't know you'd be drinking. 343 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: It's got a beautiful nose. 344 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 3: This is really this is fantastic. 345 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: You get how old is it? If it's seventy eight, 346 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: eighty eight, ninety eight, it's forty years old. 347 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: No more, forty six wow, six years old and it 348 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: still has this this horrible freshness today. 349 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: And we just opened her, yeah, and we and we 350 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: just opened this. This is so much. This is August 351 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: as well. Imagine when this is forty. 352 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: Years somebody bought me a nineteen forty eight bottle of 353 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: Santa Mio which come in and he wouldn't decant it. 354 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 3: He just opened it up, poured it out and said, 355 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 3: just let's drink it right now. 356 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: Said he said, it doesn't need to breathe, it doesn't 357 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: need to that hold of canter myths, he said, it's 358 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: a myth. 359 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: Well, that's a myth. It only pertains the cabernet. I mean, 360 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: if it's these other grapes, sirah or whatever, you're drinking 361 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't rowan wines. This is a pretty good for 362 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: some of you. This was the wine that I told 363 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: my wife, well, I don't know, I shall take this. 364 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: Then the River Cafe, when you said lunch is now 365 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: running from Monday to Thursday. Reserve a booking on www. 366 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: Rivercafe dot co dot uk or give us a call. 367 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: The thing to understand about me and cooking is that 368 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: I love to eat. I just that's the most wonderful thing. Well, 369 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: and I was very poor, so rather than be able 370 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: to go to a restaurants, I couldn't afford that. So 371 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: whenever I wanted to eat something, I would call my 372 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: mother and say, Mom, how do you make spaheti with clams? 373 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: And she would tell me how to make spaghetti of clams. 374 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: And then I developed a technique of every time I 375 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: loved something, whether it was in a restaurant, I would 376 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: always if I loved it, I would go back and 377 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: say how do you make it? So if I went 378 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: to a Moroccan restaurant and they had a bastilla, I 379 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: said how do I make it? And I learned how 380 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: to make bustilla. 381 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: With the almonds and yeah. 382 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: So in other words, over the years, all my favorite dishes. 383 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: I knew how to make most of my life. I 384 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: was much heavier than I am now. But there was 385 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: a time when Anthony Bourdain visited the a palazzo I 386 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: have in the south of Italy, in the region of Basilicata, 387 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: and it was film that I was part of it. 388 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: I was there, my granddaughter was there, and I tell you, 389 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: I looked like a whale. And I looked at myself 390 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: in this Anthony Bourdaine segment, and all I could see 391 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: was the enormity of myself, and I said, well, I 392 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: have got to do something about that. And this was 393 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: well about four years years ago, I guess five years ago, 394 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: and he passed away since then. And you know, my 395 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: wife was very petite when I married her, and she 396 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: was through the sixty years of our marriage, and she 397 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: was always telling me, you know, you got to do 398 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: something about your weight, because you know, it's a life threat. 399 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: We all know. You don't see many three hundred pound 400 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: eighty five row men walking around because they don't survive. So, 401 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: seeing myself so gigantic, I went to a wonderful place 402 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: that existed in North Carolina, part of the Duke Duke Schools. 403 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: It was the Duke Fitness Center, and it wasn't really 404 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: a spot. It wasn't like you go there and get 405 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: pampered and get massages and stuff. It's more like going 406 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: to college and taking your major in health so that 407 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: you're taking courses in nutrition, in psychology. You know, there's 408 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: like a lot of psychological reasons why you might might 409 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: be obese. Your culture, your your family, what your traditional 410 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: food is of your Mike case, I'm Italian Americans, so 411 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of pasta and pizza. And 412 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: it was a fabulous experience. I was there almost four 413 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: months and had a very interesting system. You learn a 414 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: lot about the different food groups and what they contribute 415 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: and then the balance between them, and then you sort 416 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: of decide what your caloric intake is going to be. 417 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: Yourself say well, I'm going to live on two thousand 418 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: calories or eighteen hundred cal whatever it is. And you 419 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: make your own menu a week before and you say, 420 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to have you see the options, and you 421 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: make your menu and then you hand it in and 422 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: when you hand it in the next week, when you 423 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: go for your meals. Because you won't lead together with 424 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: the other people in the program, they give you exactly 425 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: what you had specified, and you can't say, well, give 426 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: me a little bit more of that or a little 427 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: of essen. Instead, you can't fudge with it. You did 428 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: it and you have to stick to it. And so 429 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: you become accustomed to what you have decided is the 430 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: sensible and you have advice. I mean, you have a 431 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: balance of elements, and basically you start, you know, at 432 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: first you lose a lot of weight because most of 433 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: it's water, and then you start traditionally losing weight, and 434 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: then over what was four months, I lost about forty 435 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: five pounds and continued. And this is also in goots 436 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: with an exercise with so part of the day you 437 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: do exercise part of the day, you go to classes 438 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: part of the day. The psychological aspects are very interesting 439 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: because there's some logic of why you might keep yourself 440 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: overweight that you never may have considered. There were people 441 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: there who were over four hundred pounds and it was 442 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: so heartbreaking because you know that they're not going to 443 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: live and they're prisoners of this addiction to eating. 444 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: The interesting thing is that this is five years ago 445 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 2: that you haven't gone off it. 446 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: That is that your discipline. Do you think or there's. 447 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: More to it than that. The human being is a 448 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: marvelous creation, as you can imagine. And when you lose 449 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: a lot of weight, suddenly your body thinks you're dying 450 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: because traditionally rapid weight loss happens because you have some 451 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: illness or you have some condition that's causing it. So 452 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: the body does anything it can, and it has a 453 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: lot it can do to get you to put that 454 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: weight back on, so it manipulates your metabolism, so you 455 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: start gaining weight. So most people who lose a lot 456 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: of weight and comment about it on how they suddenly 457 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: start gaining it back again. So what you have to 458 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: do when you lose a lot of weight, you have 459 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: to just keep it, keep it off for three years 460 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: and then you reach your point. If you can manage 461 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: to keep the weight off for three years, it sort 462 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: of stabilizes and it becomes the new level. And that's 463 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: what I did. So now it's been four or five years. 464 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: But it's a struggle. 465 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: I love to Yeah. I always think that if you 466 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 3: deny yourself. 467 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: Sometimes if you say no to food, sometimes you're saying 468 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: no to just being there, the pleasure of table and 469 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: talking to friends and being with them. So it does 470 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: take a lot of but you can eat very very well. 471 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: I said to you a few minutes ago. It's not 472 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 2: how much you eat, but I just want to make 473 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: sure that you're eating food. 474 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. But aside from that, look, I've been in a 475 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: food business and the wine business, and I'm happy to 476 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: talk about the similarities between the wine business and the 477 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: hotel business and food business with the. 478 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 3: Film business making a movie, yeah. 479 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,239 Speaker 1: Because there are many similar parts of it. But we 480 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: have a lot of needs and appetites, and unfortunately, food 481 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: and alcohol are one that have been commercialized the most, 482 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: and they are fortunes made in food and drink, both 483 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: in quality food and drink and in junk food as 484 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: they call it. So that you know, you're constantly being 485 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: pitched to have you know, let's have lunch, let's do 486 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: let's celebrate. Well, this is going to be Thanksgiving, We're 487 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: going to have the big Thanksgiving dinner. Or this is 488 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: the big Christmas dinner. We're gonna have plumb pudding. So 489 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: most of our celebrations are tied into something that's connected 490 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: to other people, the business they're in. So, you know, 491 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: I looked at all of the all of the pleasures 492 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: that we have. And I realized that of the many 493 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: pleasures that I used to overindulge in, really the only 494 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: two I'm allowed to do now, which I can do 495 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: as much as I want. It has no bad result. 496 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: Is learning. Learning is a great pleasure, and you can 497 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: do that without limitation, and you get no bad reaction. 498 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: If you drink too much, you get sick, and it 499 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: will be not you. If you chase ladies too much, 500 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: your wife will get mad and abandon you. If you 501 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: eat too much, you'll get obese and die. But you 502 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: can't learn too much, and you can't listen to music 503 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: too much that they don't have a payback of unless 504 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: you listen to music too loud. But you can listen 505 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: to music all you want and not pay the price, 506 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: and you can learn all you want. And so you know, basically, 507 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: over the last five six years, I've become since I 508 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: really lost a lot of this way that became an 509 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: incredible reader. I just at night, I always have a 510 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: book of my bed waiting for me, my companion. I'm 511 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: actually reading. How do you pronounce it? A lot of 512 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: stuff I read I can't pronounce the Greek, ancient Greek theogony, theogeny. Yeah, 513 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: that sounds better inod right, Yeah, that's who I'm reading. 514 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: It's the story of the birth of all the gods 515 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: and how how in Greek mythology there were all these 516 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: creatures and they were just involved in the most erotic 517 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: activities you cannot but gave birth chaos, made it with 518 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: the goddess of this and that and and it's an 519 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: incredible story of love making, which is what about the 520 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: earth as we haven't. 521 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 3: That's so pretty good. 522 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: Did you know that there are people alive living in 523 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: the south of Italy and in Sicily who still speak 524 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: ancient Greek. They call it Greco, but I mean it's 525 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: a living language. The town is they speak ancient If 526 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: you a Greek person were to go there, they wouldn't 527 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: be able to talk to them. Wow, isn't that amazing? 528 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 3: I mean that must be quite a small No, No, 529 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: there are. 530 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: There are whole little communities throughout throughout the south. It's 531 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 1: called Magna Grecia because Greece when it sent its colonies 532 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: to the south of Italy, it didn't they didn't come back, 533 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: they stayed. My father I was a terrible student, and 534 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: my father said, if you're not. If you don't shape up, 535 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to send you to a Jesuit school. And 536 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: Jesuit schools would terrify because they beat you if you 537 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: didn't learn. And I said, you know, I wish he had, 538 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: because then I would have had Greek and Latin. 539 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: Thank you, Francis, Thank you for 540 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership 541 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: with Montclair