Speaker 1: We got a brand new second date podcast for you today.
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Speaker 2: In the morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they say it couldn't be done. Men thought
Speaker 1: it was impossible. But yet twenty years one of our
Speaker 1: listeners finally got out of the friend zone. Wow, crazy,
Speaker 1: What do you do after?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well you like and stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah you end up here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bumpy ride.
Speaker 3: It's a bumby ride.
Speaker 1: You know that there's no roadmap for this one. Oh
Speaker 1: so that is happening in your second date here in
Speaker 1: just a second.
Speaker 2: But what do you see, Alexis that you like people? Yeah,
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Speaker 4: Alexis, my sister sent me a second ate update about
Speaker 4: a year ago. I have binged one and fifty seven
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Speaker 3: You got your what's next? Mitten? What's your next goal?
Speaker 3: You've heard everything you had?
Speaker 5: Alexis read a comment, Well, I mean we need to
Speaker 5: per I don't know a phone them or something.
Speaker 3: I think he gets it.
Speaker 2: He gets a spot on the show.
Speaker 4: We gotta start setting up plaques.
Speaker 3: I love that it'd be so rad Brook and Jeffrey.
Speaker 2: But if only we had a marketing budget, Yeah, or
Speaker 2: any budget. All right, Hey, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: being here. Your brand new Second Date Update starts right now.
Speaker 6: Second Date Update. What are the percentages of how people
Speaker 6: meet when they come to us? It's Brook and Jeffrey
Speaker 6: in the morning.
Speaker 2: There, I'd say like eighty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, dating apps, I think a couple of years ago
Speaker 6: that was up to like ninety. But lately people have
Speaker 6: been starting to grow tired of that. They're finding new
Speaker 6: ways to connect, and you hear about more people meeting
Speaker 6: at run clubs and yoga classes. One couple even met
Speaker 6: at the dentist's office in the lobby when they were
Speaker 6: both high on nitrous waiting for the rides to take
Speaker 6: them home.
Speaker 2: Maybe just your personal story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sexy and worth mentioning. But we don't get a
Speaker 6: lot of folks on this segment who already knew each
Speaker 6: other for years before they ever went out on a date.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know they'd be comfortable enough to like
Speaker 2: check in and see.
Speaker 3: What was going on.
Speaker 6: That's what you think. But we're doing it today with
Speaker 6: our listener Jillian. So, Jillian, welcome to the show.
Speaker 7: Hi, thank you for taking a call.
Speaker 2: I'm like, so, like, you got ghosted by someone who
Speaker 2: is your friend.
Speaker 6: Like, how that makes it worse? How how long were
Speaker 6: they were your friend for?
Speaker 7: So, Thomas and I have known each other for almost
Speaker 7: twenty years.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, how how do you guys know each other?
Speaker 7: So we grew up in the same neighborhood. We were
Speaker 7: on fourteen together, and our families were super close and
Speaker 7: did be hung out together all the time, you know,
Speaker 7: the barbecues and all that.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's like really interwoven.
Speaker 6: Yeah, was he your first kiss ever as a kid
Speaker 6: growing up?
Speaker 7: No, he did ask me out, like multiple times, like
Speaker 7: over the years he'd ask you out, and I said no,
Speaker 7: not because I don't like him, but just because I
Speaker 7: thought it might be awkward for our families, you know,
Speaker 7: like you he dated, it didn't work out. I didn't
Speaker 7: want to get weird.
Speaker 3: Families get that close.
Speaker 5: I had somebody who I thought was my cousin my
Speaker 5: whole life, and like literally like five ten years ago,
Speaker 5: my parents were like, that's not your cousin, a good
Speaker 5: family friend.
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, Lisa Marie is not my cousin. I
Speaker 3: just love grow up and then they feel like blood.
Speaker 2: They really on that one.
Speaker 6: Okay. So he was trying for it and you kept
Speaker 6: shooting him down for years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what changed?
Speaker 7: Well? I saw him a couple of weeks ago and
Speaker 7: picnic my family was hosting. It has been a while
Speaker 7: since I've seen him, and I'm just gonna lie.
Speaker 2: He looked really good, Thomas.
Speaker 6: Okay, and that changed your mind?
Speaker 7: Yeah, was like, forget weird, let's just go for this.
Speaker 3: Yah got hot.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's not shallow. You've known each other for a
Speaker 6: long time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I feel like it was safe. In
Speaker 7: these days, you find someone that's so safe with.
Speaker 6: Oh totally okay.
Speaker 1: So wait, how did you guys turn it into a
Speaker 1: romantic date though?
Speaker 7: Well? I hit him up. I hit him up, and
Speaker 7: I was just like, hey, you want to meet up
Speaker 7: hang out? And he kind of freaked up a little,
Speaker 7: you know, he was like, when are you free? Let
Speaker 7: me cook your dinner.
Speaker 8: He's like, whole life, get it.
Speaker 7: All with you.
Speaker 3: That'd be weird.
Speaker 6: It's because you rejected him for so long, No wonder
Speaker 6: he was like totally caught back by it.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought he'd be confused that maybe they were
Speaker 1: just going to hang out as friends. But his response
Speaker 1: definitely doesn't sound like that.
Speaker 3: You said the word date, obviously, you like made it clear.
Speaker 7: I think it was more like in my energy and
Speaker 7: my tone, and that kind of made it like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Let's hang out.
Speaker 6: The eighteen hard emojis at the end of the text
Speaker 6: message and the kissing emoji.
Speaker 2: That wasn't the emoji she was using.
Speaker 6: Okay, so that's cool. He wanted to cook for you.
Speaker 6: How did that go?
Speaker 7: Oh, it's great. We had a fabulous meal. You know.
Speaker 7: I did the whole like hanging out in the kitchen
Speaker 7: watching him cook. It was like a coconut curry cast role.
Speaker 1: Wh Is there any awkwardness because sometimes when you turn
Speaker 1: these friendships into something romantic like there can be I
Speaker 1: don't know, just funny moments, you know.
Speaker 7: To be honest, I was amazed at how comfortable it felt.
Speaker 7: The conversation was really good. We did end up like
Speaker 7: a little makeout fresh in herp me.
Speaker 3: So he picked up.
Speaker 5: It sounds weird to say, but it may be hard
Speaker 5: to get out of the friend zone, like when you've
Speaker 5: been friends for so long.
Speaker 1: Maybe his mind is just still blown and he hasn't
Speaker 1: like come to realize that this wasn't a dream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did that really happen?
Speaker 6: What happened after the kiss?
Speaker 7: Well, I did go home.
Speaker 8: I was a good girl, okay.
Speaker 7: But I got a couple of nice texts from him afterwards,
Speaker 7: you know, thanking me for coming over. But then I've
Speaker 7: texted him a few more times with just sort of
Speaker 7: like some invitations, what are you doing, want to grab
Speaker 7: a drink, et cetera. And he's been sending back the
Speaker 7: word busy.
Speaker 3: Oh, just the word.
Speaker 7: Yes. Like the total attitude and energy and all of
Speaker 7: it has just changed. And I have no idea what's
Speaker 7: going on with him?
Speaker 2: Do you think he's trying to play hard to get now?
Speaker 2: I think it's really bad at him?
Speaker 3: Yeap in the script?
Speaker 6: So does him just texting the word busy to you
Speaker 6: over and over? Is that worse than just getting straight
Speaker 6: up ghosted?
Speaker 7: I don't think he ghosts, because like our family is
Speaker 7: just raking like that would be really weird.
Speaker 6: But just saying one word busy it implies that he's
Speaker 6: mad at you or something's wrong. Though, so funny busy,
Speaker 6: We're actually kind of busy right now. So we should
Speaker 6: probably move on to the second part of this call,
Speaker 6: where we reach out to Thomas for you and try
Speaker 6: to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 5: Well, he's honestly not super busy.
Speaker 6: It's really important. We'll find out where we do your
Speaker 6: second date update right after this second date update if
Speaker 6: you're just joining us. Quick recap of Jillian's date with Thomas,
Speaker 6: a guy she's known for twenty years as a family
Speaker 6: friend and Thomas has actually asked her out several times before.
Speaker 6: She always would say no to him until he showed
Speaker 6: up to a family picnic looking like a total snack,
Speaker 6: and she gave Tommy boy the old green light after
Speaker 6: that when.
Speaker 3: I just sit down next to the potato salad.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it doesn't get any hotter. So eventually went
Speaker 6: over to his place. He cooked a meal for her
Speaker 6: so sweet. It sounds like a lot of their family
Speaker 6: gatherings are kind of based around food, so that sounds normal.
Speaker 6: But since then, he's only been replying to her text
Speaker 6: with one word busy.
Speaker 3: Ah h really.
Speaker 6: Cold, and Jillian doesn't understand why. So we're trying to
Speaker 6: help figure that out. Jillian, I'm curious, just going back
Speaker 6: to the date night you said he cooked like a
Speaker 6: coconut curry thing for you. When you bit into it,
Speaker 6: did you make a weird face or something that could
Speaker 6: have been taken the wrong way by him, where maybe
Speaker 6: he got offended.
Speaker 7: No, No, there's no way. Like his coconut curry was amazing.
Speaker 7: I was like gushing if anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had a makeout session after words.
Speaker 6: Well, I've made up with people angrily before when I've
Speaker 6: been doing mad at them. Sometimes we settle differences. Though.
Speaker 3: If you're a.
Speaker 5: Manager and Jeff asked for the manager, do not come
Speaker 5: yeah the way you.
Speaker 6: Think you're about to get a piece of my mind
Speaker 6: and my tongue.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that their first kiss was like crazy
Speaker 1: because it's like.
Speaker 2: Twenty years in the baking.
Speaker 6: That's wild.
Speaker 5: You even said it all felt natural, the kids felt natural,
Speaker 5: the chemistry, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: There is potential in this if we can get weird
Speaker 2: keep going.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So let's just dial his number. Hopefully he's not
Speaker 6: too busy to pick up, and we'll see if we
Speaker 6: can get some answers.
Speaker 1: Out of him.
Speaker 6: But I'm dying you right now. Hello, Hey is this Thomas?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Who's this?
Speaker 6: Hey man? We're a radio show We're called Brook and
Speaker 6: Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 3: Hello, good morning.
Speaker 8: Okay, we're just going to brag.
Speaker 2: We're yeah, we are very excited to talk to you.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 6: Anyway, We've actually we've heard a lot about you from
Speaker 6: someone who asks us to reach out to you named Jillian.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, okay. We know you know her for a
Speaker 6: long time, and this is a segment we do call
Speaker 6: the second Date Update, because we're trying to figure out
Speaker 6: why after you two hung out the other night and
Speaker 6: had dinner together. I mean, she feels like there should
Speaker 6: be another hangout session and you're not responding. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't really know if I'm comfortable talking about this.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I gotta she had the date went so well?
Speaker 3: Did it not go well in your eyes?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a cute story you two.
Speaker 3: Yeahs been like in the making.
Speaker 1: Right twenty years you finally get out of the friend zone,
Speaker 1: which impresses every man.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I had. I was looking forward to it
Speaker 8: and it went really well.
Speaker 7: But well, there's just a violation of trust.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I don't think she's aware.
Speaker 2: Of that at all.
Speaker 8: Yeah, she probably isn't.
Speaker 6: Well, if you are such good family friends going back
Speaker 6: twenty years. I feel like you should be comfortable enough
Speaker 6: to reach out and talk to her if there was
Speaker 6: an issue, a violation of some sort.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not sure like how malicious it was,
Speaker 8: but it's just it's complicated. Unfortunately, and because of her,
Speaker 8: my grandmother won't talk to me.
Speaker 6: Right now, Wait, what what.
Speaker 2: What does your grandma have to do with Jillian?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I didn't realize at the time, but she
Speaker 8: came over and I wanted to treat her right, right,
Speaker 8: So I busted out grandma's secret recipe.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 8: It's like this amazing dish that we always make for
Speaker 8: special occasions of coconut curry castle role right. And I
Speaker 8: guess while I was in the kitchen, cooking and doing
Speaker 8: my thing, at some point, I must have had my
Speaker 8: back turned and the family recipe book is just sitting
Speaker 8: there open. It's not supposed to be shared with anybody
Speaker 8: or anything like that. Apparently, at some point she must
Speaker 8: have taken in a photo of the recipe and forwarded
Speaker 8: it to her grandmother.
Speaker 3: Oh no, she's not a recipe.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't. I don't know if she meant to
Speaker 8: steal it. Like maliciously or for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: But the picture of it.
Speaker 8: It's now a thing where her grandmother is holding it
Speaker 8: over my grandmother's head. Now my grandmother's mad at me.
Speaker 8: She's like, why would you share that? You know, she's hissed.
Speaker 6: Some petty grandma right going.
Speaker 2: Dude, this feels not that petty to me though.
Speaker 1: You get a signature dish that you bring to every
Speaker 1: event and everybody wants to know what it is, and
Speaker 1: you can't tell them because then they're going to bring it,
Speaker 1: and then you have to ask like, oh are you
Speaker 1: bringing it?
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring it. It's a whole thing.
Speaker 5: Some restaurants have literally started based on someone's secret family recipe,
Speaker 5: Like can't you see yeah, a secret recipe?
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I just I feel like, at the very least you
Speaker 8: should have like said something or asked me before, but
Speaker 8: like now because of the way it went down and
Speaker 8: I didn't realize. And then like, you know, these these
Speaker 8: grandma's they can they if they got claws.
Speaker 4: You did you tell her it was a secret recipe
Speaker 4: before the photo, like.
Speaker 8: She knew Oh yeah, oh yeah, she knows it's my
Speaker 8: grandma's secret recipe. Okay, Now my grandmother's like you let
Speaker 8: some temptress come in and you.
Speaker 7: Okay, sat Hello, Hello, Hello, I'm here, Thomas, okay.
Speaker 6: Hell shoot all right, yeah Thomas, that's Jilly and she's
Speaker 6: been waiting on the other line wanting to talk to you.
Speaker 8: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's how this segment works. It's kind of sneaky,
Speaker 6: just like grandma.
Speaker 7: No. No, so listen. I did not I think it
Speaker 7: was going to be that big of a deal. I
Speaker 7: had no idea that my grandma was going to share
Speaker 7: it with your grandma like that and like literally taunt her.
Speaker 7: I did not know that she was going to do that.
Speaker 8: Well, you've met our grandmothers. They they are like, oh,
Speaker 8: they got like old school beef with each other.
Speaker 7: Oh, but I'm thinking it was going to be more
Speaker 7: like like a funny thing, Like I didn't realize there
Speaker 7: was going to be like that elevated emotionally.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's hilarious. Now she won't even like answer my
Speaker 8: phone calls.
Speaker 4: Oh that's bad.
Speaker 6: Well you don't really want to answer any grandma phone calls.
Speaker 6: To be honest, I.
Speaker 2: Think you should check the will because somebody may be
Speaker 2: written out.
Speaker 7: I mean, maybe I could talk to her. Maybe I
Speaker 7: can talk to her.
Speaker 8: Trust me, she does not want to talk to you.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that, but.
Speaker 1: But I think there's only one way out of this,
Speaker 1: and that's Julian. You have to go get your grandmother's
Speaker 1: secret recipe and give it to Thomas's grandmother.
Speaker 2: It's like tit for tat.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, wait, wait, guys, I don't know. Maybe that's a
Speaker 7: little too far.
Speaker 6: Oh that's too far. But what you did was innocent.
Speaker 8: I think that might actually work. I think I know
Speaker 8: what recipe my grandmother would want.
Speaker 3: Really tell us.
Speaker 7: Don't say it, please, Thomas, Please don't say it.
Speaker 8: Grandpa Joe's bourbon pecan pie.
Speaker 6: I want pecan pie would be a solution to balance
Speaker 6: things out and restore peace to the neighborhood, into the
Speaker 6: grandma versus.
Speaker 2: If you have to sneak it, I think it's worth it.
Speaker 2: Remember how hot Thomas got?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, oh.
Speaker 6: You didn't hear that, Thomas.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: By the way, never mind, I mean, are we really
Speaker 6: doing this right now? Are we just swapping old family
Speaker 6: recipes to resolve a dating dispute? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, somehow I find it sexy, the whole thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't want Jillian's grandma to now be
Speaker 6: mad at us for encouraging this, and now we're caught
Speaker 6: up in this neighborhood feud.
Speaker 3: Oh, we'll just give her one of Alexi's recipes.
Speaker 6: Butter, no milk.
Speaker 3: Water maybe?
Speaker 6: Okay? Well, I mean, I can't believe we're doing this,
Speaker 6: But Jillian, is it possible that you'd be able to
Speaker 6: give one leash, one family recipe in order to make
Speaker 6: things good with Thomas Camp That's.
Speaker 2: Right, the peacm pie.
Speaker 8: It's possible, she di Wow, Just quick correction. It's not
Speaker 8: just the pecan pie recipe. It's a bourbon pecan pire. Yeah,
Speaker 8: all right, that's the one we want, all right.
Speaker 6: Jillian says she's willing to betray her own grandmother and
Speaker 6: give it up to you.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm gonna have to ask her, and I'm gonna
Speaker 7: take some work, but I'm willing to give it a try.
Speaker 6: Well, there you go. Will you say yes to a
Speaker 6: second date? Because if you do, we would pay for it.
Speaker 8: I mean, how how can I say no?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Of course? All right, after that pecan pie cry, there
Speaker 6: you go.
Speaker 2: I'm hungry and turned on.
Speaker 3: That's normal.
Speaker 7: Thanks, I'm looking forward to it cute.
Speaker 2: You guys are going to be cute.
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course. And if you come over again, I
Speaker 8: got the rec of your book out. Just promise me
Speaker 8: you'll you'll ask me to close it or no? No
Speaker 8: wandering eyes right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you temptress. Jeffrey in the morning missed opportunity, not
Speaker 6: for Thomas, not for Thomas, and not for Jillian, for us.
Speaker 6: How did we not get a pie order in At
Speaker 6: the very end we discussed pies for like the last
Speaker 6: three minutes, not one of us asked for it to
Speaker 6: be delivered to the dude.
Speaker 1: What I want is an awkward Tuesday phone call with
Speaker 1: those two petty grandmas.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's where the real drama is.
Speaker 3: I want to I want to be part of a
Speaker 3: bake off.
Speaker 8: Dude.
Speaker 1: I feel like her grandma set her up, put it
Speaker 1: in her mind to go out with him just so
Speaker 1: she could get that rest.
Speaker 3: I kind of thought that too. She was like, let's
Speaker 3: just go on one date.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but then she would have been asking us dirty
Speaker 5: work for me.
Speaker 6: Drama still, but we love it. Whatever drama is happening
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