WEBVTT - Why do Tesla door handles suck? (Devan Design Week) 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.080 H'm Manny Noah, and this is Devin and this is 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:04.880 no such thing the show where we set up our 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:08.520 dumb arguments and yours by actually doing the research. On 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.479 today's episode, why does everything suck? 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:20.079 No, there's no no such thing. No touch than no touch, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:26.920 thank no touch, thank no touch thank. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:38.479 All Right, fellas, Welcome to Devin Design Week, which is 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:38.920 not a week. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.279 It's just one episode of the podcast. It will take 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.320 you a week. Break it up. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.400 Uh, this is gonna be mostly me complaining about things 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.120 in my life that I hate the design of. So 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.080 we're gonna be talking about Tesla door handles, We're gonna 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.639 be talking about Michael Waves, and we're gonna be talking 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:57.280 about couches. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:00:59.840 So let's get right into it. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:01.480 Let's dive in. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.200 It's one am. You know, you're at a bar. It's 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:11.440 a little too late. You don't want to take the 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.679 subway home, Pull up the Uber and lift ap. You're 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.360 comparing prices. You call a car and Uber is a 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.960 little bit cheaper. And look what you got. I got 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:24.080 damn Tesla. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:26.480 Helping the environment. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.800 Helping the environment, sure, but why the fuck is it 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.960 so hard to open the door in the Dan Tesla? 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.680 I don't know how to open this. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:43.080 I'm poor. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:43.880 I don't know how to open that. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:45.240 I want to see you open the door. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.200 You gotta grab it by your thumb. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:50.200 Try it again, try it again. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:57.240 Look, this is politics aside for this conversation. I'm gonna 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:58.960 be neutral on Elon Musk. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:00.680 I love that, Okay, I love this. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:02.400 The bumper stickers people get. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:09.440 Oh, yeah, I got this before you shut the hell up. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:11.720 No, it's where. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:12.520 Do they buy those? Even? 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:18.880 It's like, what the hell? Anyway, So he's a genius. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:23.160 This is great. What have you ever done? So? 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.200 And I will say this, you know, before I talk 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.639 all this ship about Tesla's I'm not a car guy 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.560 at all, you know, but people love to be like, 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.880 what what car like? If you could get your dream car, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.440 what would you get? So for a while there, I 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.679 was like, I don't know, Tesla's look kind of cool. Yeah, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:41.680 that would be kind of cool to have a Tesla. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.720 But then do y'all remember when Tesla started being on 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.320 like Uber and left, and I would when I would 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.679 see it, I'm like, oh, cool, it's a Tesla. But 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.560 then you get inside, I'm like, oh, these are not 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.360 like the inside of Tesla's are not that nice, like 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.160 they like you think of other luxury vehicles like Mercedia. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.359 Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, you get. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.240 In, it's like comfortable, there's like, you know, cupholder. It's 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.240 like it just feels like more complete. 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:09.320 Yeah. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.080 And I would get in these teslas and outside of 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.079 the screen showing like the street, I was like, this 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:20.000 feels kind of like a budget car, Like it's not comfortable, right, 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.320 Like it's maybe the ride is a little bit smoother, 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.839 but obviously the biggest issue is like what are we doing. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.680 With the damn door handles? Yeah, to get in is 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:31.160 one thing. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.320 All right, you're outside, You're like you got to push 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.120 it in a certain way to like for it to 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.600 come out, so you could pull it so that you 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.040 can open up the door. It's a little bit awkward, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:41.480 like your finger gets a little. 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.119 Bit of not much to grass. No, once you even 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:44.600 get it out. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:44.880 Yep. 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.000 Is it a like I always wonder, is it a 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.480 two hand operation where like you push one side, the 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.600 other side pops in and then you grab it with 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:53.240 that side. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.520 But like every why do that? You know, every other door? 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.640 That's one one thing we don't really complain about with anymore. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.200 How to open them. You know. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.960 No one was like, yeah, it's like that. One was 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.680 like it's so hard to open a car door. It's like, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.120 we got it. You know, like the handles pretty ergonomic. 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.320 You know, you kind of do it. It's pretty natural, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:15.480 opens up pretty easily. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:16.480 Yeah. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.760 The weird thing is because like I remember hearing some 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.000 you know, Tesla super fans being like the point is 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.920 that the car handle is hidden. It's like flush now. Yeah, 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.640 but but like so many cars do that like in 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.039 a way where like it's it looks invisible, but you 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.480 can get under the handle and then pull it out, 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.640 so it doesn't feel like a good excuse. 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.560 And then you know, getting in is one thing. What's 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.559 even worse is once you're in the car, I still 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.680 to this day have not figured it out, and you're 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:51.360 trying to get out, you gotta press the button. Every 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.480 time I do it, I'm putting the window. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:56.560 Or like locking the car. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.280 You got to press the button to like get out 0:04:59.400 --> 0:04:59.840 or something. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.200 And I still don't quite understand how to do it 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.279 because every time I'm doing it, I'm putting the window 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.800 down a little bit like you're saying it's locking unlocking, 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.440 and I'm like, how do I just open the door. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.359 Well, we've been trained growing up in like the early 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.680 two thousands, once cars were fine, like the ubiquity of 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.520 cars were electric in the windows and the door locks. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.080 We've been trained to look at a button that shows 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.440 a car door and press that to lock the car 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.320 lock the door. Now, I mean, it does feel like 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.960 kind of self explanatory, but like that's just what we 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.760 think where we think we were locking it. So when 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.200 I see the button in the Tesla, I'm looking for 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:38.680 a handle or something. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.160 And every time, you know, it's when I get in there, 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.760 I get kind of doory brain where I'm like, Okay, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.440 what did I do last time? I don't remember because 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.599 I'm like whatever I did last time was wrong. Whatever 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.520 I need to do now is but I didn't do 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.719 last time, And every time I do it, I do 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.880 the wrong thing. And it's just like, why, what is 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.839 the purpose? There must be some sort of purpose to this. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:05.839 There must be a reason that he has redesigned the 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.240 car door handle, right, They're like, they're not just doing 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.520 it to fuck with us. Any theories as to why 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.640 the outside makes sense to something like you're saying it 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.760 could be flush a little bit more aerodynamic, you know, 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:21.960 nothing sticking out? 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.080 Okay, yeah, why are the inside Why on the inside? 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:27.279 What is going on on the inside. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.440 I would imagine if this was my car, Yeah, imagine 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:32.679 by now. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.160 I wouldn't understand how to use it. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.760 But especially like you were saying at one a m. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.080 Yes for me, oftentimes two, three, four am and I 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.279 cannot put to I'm half asleep. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.520 Yeah, and now I'm in the dark trying to figure 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.040 out how to open my door, like I'm a three year. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.960 Old and the driver's like yelling yeah. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.760 I like in some some of them they put instructions. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.680 You ever see They're. 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:01.520 Like, here's how you opened the door. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.960 Study this, And I'm like, okay, we as adults can't 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:05.640 figure this out. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:06.600 It's too complicated. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.360 That's not something I should have to think about when 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.440 I'm getting into or out of a car. All right, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.080 So that's the first thing. Then I'm gonna get to 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:21.840 the bottom of so number two on the things that 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:28.000 I don't like. Microwaves. All right, I got a new 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:32.760 microwave about six months ago. My old microwave was randomly sparking. Oh, 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.920 so I just got like, okay, this is like a 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.000 reasonably priced microwave that will fit in this slot, because 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:39.440 that was the big thing I was concerned about, is 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.480 just like the sizing of it. So I got this 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:48.440 new microwave, and for the most part, it's fine. I'm 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.200 someone who relies heavily on just add thirty seconds a 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.720 button for most of this stuff I'm putting in there, 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.560 and just do add thirty seconds. Yeah, But over the 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.200 last week or two, I've been trying to be a 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:04.360 little bit more prescriptive with the microwave. Right, So, like, 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.480 for example, I was melting some butter. I was having 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.520 some seafood thing. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna melt 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.320 some butter for this. I was like, okay, there's a 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:16.080 soft oh yeah, melt button soft and meltain. So I 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.200 clicked that. Nothing happens, all right, okay, so that gay. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:21.880 Maybe I clicked that and then hit another. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.080 Button like it didn't turn on nothing, Yeah. 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.240 It didn't turn on. So I hit the soft melt 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.440 then one. Then it's like there's an S two on 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.720 the on the microwave. What the hell does that mean? 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.400 So I'm like, all right, I just hit start. Nothing happens. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.720 So then I'm just like, well, you know, clear it 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.040 all out. Yeah, just add thirty seconds and keep an 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:45.520 eye on it. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:46.880 Yeah yeah, it just butter. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.959 Yeah. But then you know they have the popcorn button. 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.080 There's other things on there. It's like potato button. Yeah yeah, 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.400 like the frosty steak yehoa yep yeah. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.160 And I feel like anytime I try to do anything 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.559 outside of plus thirty seconds, I'm like, I got to 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.880 rate a manual to use this. Why isn't it Like, 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.000 what's the point of the button If it's not simple? Right, 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:10.719 If you have a button, I should be able to 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.240 press it and then just do the thing. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:13.640 Mm hmm. Yeah. 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.560 It's like the the Kevin Garnet and uncut jams. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.400 What the fuck would you show me something? If I 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.640 couldn't have it, then what the would you bring it out? 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:21.959 Exactly? 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.080 Know what's your experience been with microwaves? You have a 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:26.600 positive microwave experience? 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.080 I try not to on my Maha stuff, I try 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.240 to avoid the microwave oh less. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.680 Honestly, growing up, my parents always had us cover the 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.680 things in the markets. Yes, yeah, I guess for health safety. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:39.240 I don't know. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.640 No, it's to keep it from splashing all over the place. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.080 Oh no, ours was like a health thing. I don't 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.240 know health of what. It was just like warming it 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.120 up without exposing it to the other things in there. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.160 I don't know. Wait, okay, what are you covering it with? 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.359 Like another plate you had? Oh okay, another plate. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.080 Or sometimes microwaves come with the yeah, the plastic cover. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.080 Yeah, remember we did a microwave cover thing. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.600 Yeah, but that was more it would heat up well 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.480 yeah and stop stop. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.440 I could be wrong, but I think it was more 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.600 like we don't want to have it in their raw 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.000 to the microwaves. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:15.880 We don't want that for a comedy. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.520 We don't want the microwaves to do what they're supposed 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:19.400 to want all that. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.080 Just like halfway use it. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.719 We just like a spinning in there, don't be we 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.480 don't want the microwaves touching it. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:27.000 Gross. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.640 But yeah, I just feel like, you know, back to 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.760 you know, the whole reason is Devin Design week. I 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:40.400 just feel like, why haven't we designed a more intuitive microwave? 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.160 You know, if I need to rate a manual to 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.960 understand how to use it, then it just shouldn't be it. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:46.800 It shouldn't be a button. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:57.040 And then my third scenario here right, this one is 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.480 I've been thinking about for a long time. Like I've 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.520 been in New York work gone on ten years. Right 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.559 before I moved to New York, I moved with two 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:10.000 other of my good friends. We stopped at some furnisure 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.840 thrift store in Jersey on the way to like moving. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:14.640 We got like, okay, we got to make an Ikea 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.600 run and we got to stop on one of these 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.400 furniture stores and get a get a couch. So the 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.680 couch we got was used. It's kind of like old school, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.520 got a kind of like a floral print. But We're like, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.800 this couch is so comfortable, and it was cheap. It 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:30.360 was like two hundred and fifty bucks. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.480 Wow. And so I've had that couch ever since. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.720 And I will say this, this, my couch is the 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.120 one of the most comfortable couches I've ever sat on. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:39.600 Wow. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.320 Okay, but. 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.240 It's had you know, it's had its it's fair share 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.120 of wear in terms of like I've had, you know, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:50.840 multiple pets now on this couch. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.600 Ten years of people sitting on it. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.240 You know, things have spilled, you know, the threads are 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.400 coming a bit unlose. It was used at the time, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.760 So this couch is probably twenty years old. If not that, 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:04.680 but the structure of it, you know, this is an 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.439 old school couch or the structure of it is solid. Right, 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.600 you sit on it, it's comfortable, it's not falling apart. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.520 It's not like those Ikea couches where you like, if 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.240 somebody sitting on one side, you're tilted over. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.640 But it's about time for a new couch to come 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:20.200 to my life. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:20.679 Yepo. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.800 So I've been looking around, I would say for the 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.920 last five years, it may be longer than that. I've 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.320 been thinking about getting a new couch. I've been going 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.200 to places, I've been sitting on couches. I've been looking online. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.200 We are at a point in this country. I don't 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.120 know if this is true across the world. Well, we 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.160 have lost our way with couches. Wow, And I'm telling 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:52.600 you why. We got basically two versions of couches nowadays. 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:52.839 Right. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:57.719 We either have a couch that looks beautiful, beautifully designed 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.360 like aesthetically if no one's sitting on it, wow, take 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.800 a picture lovely, right, and then we have couches that 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:10.120 are comfortable, not good to look at. My couch not 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.160 much to look at. But you sit on that thing, 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.880 you don't want to get up. You're comfortable, like you know, 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.040 you send in it, you could just you could fall 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.679 asleep in it and your bus not hurting after sending 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.640 it for twenty you know your back's not hurting. And 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:26.920 no one has figured out a way to do both 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.000 of these things at a reasonable price. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.320 That is, I agree with you there. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:39.560 Couches are expenses. Thousands and thousands of dollars for couches. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.120 So let me ask you to how do you feel 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.640 about your current couches? Where did you get them? 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:49.480 So we got our couch. It's a Hay couch heard 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.680 of Hey the company? Yes, nice, but we got to 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.240 use so it wasn't as expensive. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.440 They're not cheap though, Hay couches are not cheap. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:57.640 I think we damn. 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:58.400 I mean it was. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.079 I think it's fifteen hundred use more than one. But 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.720 the guys who had it previously were giving it on 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.640 a huge discount, and they hadn't used it that much. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.200 They hadn't use it two months or something. They had 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.760 to leave the city for some for whatever reason, you 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.400 got to go. So we got a really good deal 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:15.920 on it. Looks great, It looks great. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.839 How comfortable is it I've only sat on it, y'all 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:19.080 usually said it's really comfortable. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.800 I fall right asleep on this thing. The thing, the 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.560 thing that makes it so comfortable is the depth. It's 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.200 so deep in uh in the you know. The material 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:25.840 is good. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.240 So your hay one you're happy with. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:29.960 We're happy with it. But it's too big to fit 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:30.840 in that living room. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.120 See, this is another issue which I did not even 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:35.480 mention living in New York. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:37.320 It's size. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.520 So I don't have that big of an apartment, so 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.480 I need a couch, and like you said, I want 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.480 a couch with a little bit of debt in the seat. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.160 I don't want to be sitting on my couch and 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.640 half my leg is off the couch. I want to 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.680 be able to sit in it. But it also can't 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.040 have a huge footprint, right that. I have a small apartment, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:55.640 so it needs to I need to have a lot 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.280 of room from my ass and everything else is pretty 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.320 you know, to the couch. And that's that's another issue. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.720 So your hey couch, like you're saying, good seat, but 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.120 it's kind of bag. No, it's your couch story. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.080 I'm trying to think we bought a couch. I think 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:15.160 maybe West mm hmm, maybe two years ago. Now it's 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.240 it's comfy, it's it's big, and it's got like the 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:23.640 extra little section. Okay, little Chase, Yeah yeah, So yeah, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.600 this is like, okay, we're actually gonna got a nice 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.200 I had like a wayfair cheap little thing before. It's like, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:30.800 all right, we're gonna get a nice upgrade. This is 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:32.360 something like we can move with us and like. 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.720 Take care of how you feeling about two years later. 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:37.720 I like it. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.840 It's it's comfy, it's it's got a good depth, and 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.240 like I could lay down and sleep on this and 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.680 be pretty like definitely once while I'm there at three 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.160 o'clock just relaxing. Yeah, I got some music go on. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.440 I'm happy with it. I don't think it'll be my 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.160 couch for my entire life, but. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.200 See, but that's the way it used to be. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.480 It used to be you buy a couch, my couch, 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.600 and that's your couch until your kids, you know, are grown. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.160 But now I feel like we get couches. You've had 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.000 this couch two years, you're already thinking about moving on 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:08.960 from it, you know, you're talking about it. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.080 I'm not gonna have it by rest of my life. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.040 We used to have good couches. And the other thing 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:18.240 is the couches the build nowadays suck. So many of 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.280 the couches I see like because I'll see someone post 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.400 a couch and I'll look up, Okay, this was son 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.720 specific couch, someone who's had it for three or four years, 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.280 and they're like, Oh, I love the couch when I 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.960 first got it. Now it's singing in there's things falling apart, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.760 like the structures are in as good. And then the 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.440 other issue you have is that if you want to 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.040 get a couch, I know it's not as bad as 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.440 it was during COVID, but you gotta wait a while. Also, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.440 how am I expected to buy a couch online that 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:49.040 I've never sat in? Yeah, this is crazy anymore these places. 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.040 If you're an online couch place, you got to have 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.440 a showroom. I got to sit my ass on. I'm 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.960 not buying a couch. I'm not sitting on all Right, 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.240 we're gonna take a quick break, and when we get 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.600 we're gonna hear about why some people are calling Tesla's 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.480 door handles deadly. We're gonna hear about the Steve Jobs microwave, 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.639 and last but not least, we're gonna figure out what 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.520 you should do if you're looking to buy a new couch. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.200 Welcome to Week two of Devin Design. Week. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:35.600 Before the break, we were complaining about Tesla door handles 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:36.520 a podcast. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:44.240 Okay, you know time is a constructs Yeah, before the break, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.720 and we were complaining about three things got Tesla door handles, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.400 microwaves in modern day couches. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.640 So I tracked down some experts to help us get 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:58.040 to the bottom of all of my design qualms. So 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:02.560 first up, we're gonna tackle my issue with Tesla's annoyingly 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.760 complicated door handles. So I called up to someone who's 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.000 been following this issue very closely. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.560 My name is Arian Marshall, and I'm a staff writer Wired, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.080 where I write about transportation and tech. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.360 So I really wanted Arion to break down the difference 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.600 between a regular door handle and a Tesla door handle. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.920 Automakers for many, many years have been showing off these 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:31.200 kind of cool electronic door handles that only respond to 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.240 you when you're close to them, and for a long 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.600 time it was something you just saw on concept cars. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.320 So it was like one of these things that was 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.080 like that'd be cool and sexy one day, but like 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.600 not practical until Tesla did it and they started doing 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:48.399 on production cars in the twenty tens, and from a 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.600 design perspective, there were a lot of people really excited 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.359 about that because it was like, Wow, this is something 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.240 that we didn't think made any sort of practical sense 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.960 and just kind of looks cool. Tesla likes to argue 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.119 that it gives them a smidge more range because it 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.399 makes the cars more aerodynamic because the door handles can 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.280 be flat to the side of the car. Some people 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.600 have done sort of back of the envelope calculations and 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.880 it really only gives them like a mile of extra range, 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:14.960 so not a big deal, but it was like a cool, sexy, 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:15.560 exciting thing. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.720 Is that like the thinking behind the redesign is like 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.160 it's more futuristic, it looks cooler. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:23.080 Is that really? 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.280 Is there any functionality that's better outside of like you're saying, 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:31.160 maybe saving a mile on your electric range? 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.840 Yeah, that kind of seems to be it. It's I mean, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.960 one of the big things that people are looking for 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.120 in luxury vehicles in New ebs is this real car 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.199 of the future sense, And it's kind of become a 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.160 signal that like, this is a future car. It kind 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.000 of feels like a spaceship, Like it feels like you're 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.240 in the future. And that's one way that car designers 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.800 have found to really say like, Hey, we're going for it. 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:56.680 This this is a cool one. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.440 Look at us. 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.240 I mean, why can't you have an aerodynamic car handle 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:06.800 that is in a pain in the ass to open. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.120 That's a really good point, mister musk, get on that. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.199 So one thing I learned through this process too. Right 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.000 last time we were talking about you're in the back 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.000 of a Tuesla, you're trying to get out, You're pressing 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.280 the button. The window's going down. What the hell's going on? 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.320 So I learned that the window going down is a 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.199 thing that actually happens on purpose. You know, when you 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.560 press that button and the window goes down a little bit. Oh, 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.600 when you're getting out of the car, that's the right button. Window, 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.440 that's the right button you're hitting. I always thought, oh, 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.600 I pressed the wrong button. The windows going down, that's 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.240 the window button. I gotta press another button to get out. 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:44.840 Wow. 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.680 But no, So when you go to open the Tusla doors, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.800 whether you're in the outside or inside, the window goes 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:51.640 down a little bit. 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.680 So that it can clear the trim. 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:58.320 So Tesla's have what's called like a tremless window, so 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.280 the window goes right up to the roof, so ife 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.920 weres to try to open the door while the window 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:09.200 was completely up. The window could potentially break because there's 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.960 a seal that the window forms with the top of 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.400 the roof, So the window goes down a little bit 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.280 to break that seal so that you can open the 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:19.000 door easily. 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:19.919 Wow. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.520 So this blew my mind because I thought every time 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.440 I was leaving the car, I'm pressing the wrong but 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:26.240 I'm putting the window. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:27.600 Then you're trying to go out too fast. 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.600 Essentially, Yes, you know, I need to press the button, 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.040 give it up, due, Okay, now I can continue. But 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.520 I was pressing the button and thinking, oh shit, this 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.600 is the wrong button. Then I just stop and I'm like, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.200 I don't know what the private How do I get out? 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.080 And He's like, no, you idiot, that's what's supposed to happen. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.960 But no one has ever explained that to me. This 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.080 is the first time I'm hearing of it. That's why 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:54.440 I love this podcast. You learned something new every day. 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.080 All right, So Tesla does this thing that looks cool, right, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:01.320 they got these new door handles, they're automakers actually start 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.000 copying them. But despite it looking cool, there are some 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.200 real complaints about this Tussel door handle. 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.080 Outside of me just being petty. 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.160 Bloomberg published this big report that really went deep into 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.680 the issues with these door handles because they're electronic. If 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.680 the twelve volt battery that powers the car, so that's 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.240 not like the big electric vehicle battery, but the littler 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.800 battery that powers other little kind of incidental parts of 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.440 the car, if it dies, you might not be able 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.960 to get in or out of your car, really inconvenient. 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:35.280 Tesla and other automakers do have mechanical releases, but where 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.680 those mechanical releases are is different in every car. There's 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.600 no kind of standard, and there have been complaints that 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:45.320 in Tesla vehicles, particularly also in the vehicles from ribbyan 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.000 another electric car maker, they are really hard to find, 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:53.360 and that's like kind of inconvenient. But in an emergency situation, 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.520 if your car's on fire, if your child is in 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.240 the back of your if you've exited the car and 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.640 you're going to get the car seat and they're locked 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:05.160 in the car, they can't find a mechanical release, So 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.119 there have been some complaints and now we've seen actually 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.520 there have been at least two lawsuits fired where people 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:15.720 have alleged that people have died because they've gotten stuck 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:20.639 in tesla's while the teslas have been on fire and 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:22.760 the people have been unable to accept the cars because 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.680 they've been unable to find these mechanical releases in time 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.359 to escape. So scary bad stuff, like something that looks 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.480 cool but maybe has a serious downside. 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:36.520 Yeah, So, because these handles are electric, if something happens 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:38.959 to your car battery, if there's a fire, you have 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:43.480 to use a mechanical release to open the door. And 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.720 I was just poking around, like the mechanical cool releases 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.119 are not like sometimes near the door, the sometimes under. 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:50.840 Seats and stuff. 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.720 So it's not in a place that you would naturally 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.000 think to look like, Okay, this door handle isn't working 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.000 all right, right next to it, I press this button 0:23:58.000 --> 0:23:59.560 and then it will do the same thing. It's like 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.600 you kind of need to know before you get into 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.080 that situation what to do. And I imagine most people, 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.280 you know, you're not researching where are a mechanical release 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.280 is in educating everyone who's going to be in your 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:11.080 car or. 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.360 Do we know where the Tesla mechanical release. 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:16.440 It's different for each car. There isn't like a standard 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.600 for every single test. Last it's in this spot. 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:22.720 Wow mm hmm, yep. I remember reading about this like 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:27.840 a year ago. There was like some horrific crash. 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.080 The family of one of the victims of last year's 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.680 deadly cyber truck crash in Piedmont is now suing Tesla. 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:36.680 Three college students died in the crash. A lawsuit filed 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:40.560 by the family of Christazukahara claims she suffered only minor 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.000 injuries in the crash, but couldn't get out of the 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.040 car or be rescued after the vehicle's main battery caught fire. 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.800 They say she died from either the flames or from 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:52.399 smoke inhalation. The family blames the cyber truck's door design. 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.760 A statement from the family reads, quote, her death was preventable. 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.439 We are filing this lawsuit not just for accountability, but 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.000 because there are other families out there who may never 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.000 know the risks until it's too late. 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.679 But it does seem like some changes are coming to 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:08.920 the Tesla door handles. 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:14.520 Earlier this year, the Chinese regulator that that looks over 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:20.119 like technology in the country put out a memo that 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:24.400 they were going to be finally regulating these door handles. 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:30.560 So it seems like it will require Tesla to redesign 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:36.800 make the mechanical release kind of next to or like 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:39.680 right with the electronic door handles, so if, for example, 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:42.760 the battery dies, you can still use the door handle 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:47.000 really easily. Tesla has now said that they're redesigning their 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.760 door handles. They came out and said this in September, 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:53.680 and they're head of design went on TV and said, hey, 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:55.800 we want to make this more intuitive to use. 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.360 Have you considered a redesign or a fix for these issues. 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.359 We actually have a mechanical release that's you know, basically 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.960 right at the electronic one two, and we're combining the 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.240 two so you know, in the moments that you're in 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:15.479 a panic situation, the muscle memory to go to you know, 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.400 what you know is right there, so you just pull 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:19.520 a little bit further on the lever and you have 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:21.200 the mechanical release. 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:22.560 So that's something that we're working on. 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:26.040 Yeah, and the reason why China is doing it is 0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:29.720 because they had a highly publicized incident where a Chinese 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.679 automaker with these door handles, someone was driving in one 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:34.480 of these cars. They got into a crash and it 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.240 seems that, uh, the person got trapped in the car 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:45.360 and died while it was on fire. And there's kind 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.720 of an interesting dynamic here because I think a lot 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.280 of people still have the idea that like things are 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.360 underregulated in China. It's the wild West in terms of products, 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.760 like they're doing whatever, they're putting out whatever. But actually 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.680 China has been really at the fore run of auto 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.520 regulations specifically, so we're now getting to this place where 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.840 like the rest of the world might be taking cues 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.200 from what China is doing. 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.119 And you said there was some news that broke today 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:13.320 on this what was that news. 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:19.080 Yeah, So the news this morning is that the NITSA, 0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:24.760 the US regulator, put out a letter that said that 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.399 they have gotten even more complaints from consumers about this 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:31.399 door handle issues since they first announced their probe a 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.680 few weeks ago, so they're basically like expanding the probe. 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:36.679 And then the other news that came out today is 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:41.719 that there is a the family of a Wisconsin couple 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.680 who died last year after their Tesla caught fire. Are 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:50.160 actually suing Tesla because they say that they were unable 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.159 to There were actually five people in that car, and 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.080 they say they were unable to escape because the door 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.160 handles got stuck or didn't work. 0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:00.960 The lawsuit claims Tesla's door design trap the couple inside 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.520 the burning car. The family is seeking to hold Tesla 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:08.320 accountable for allegedly designing vehicles that make survivaal crashes fatal. 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.320 That's horrible. It's like, looks cool, but yeah, you can 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.879 get trapped in it. You know, if your car's on fire. 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.520 Maybe not worth the cool design to ye. 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:25.040 Yeah, And there's a I think there's a a sort 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:29.159 of interesting balance and I'm sure you see this not 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.680 only in cars, but like the entire tech world, where 0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:36.439 it's like, we can do this with engineering. Is it 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.760 worth it? Is it better than the stuff we have 0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:43.520 right now? Like, it looks cool, it's fun, but does 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.200 it like does does the wheel Like should we just 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.840 stick with the wheel? Do we need to reinvent the wheel? 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.560 Maybe we should just stick with the wheel that was working. 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:52.680 Yeah. 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.480 Yeah, it feels like with the car innovations, it made 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:59.480 sense when windows stopped being like the roll up thing 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:03.280 switched to the button because I don't know, it's like easier, 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:07.040 it's like us easier. But but for the door, it's 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.560 like it hadn't solved the problem. Like it's electric, but 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.800 we're still pushing it with our you know, with physical force. 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.280 But it looks cool. Couch for something. 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:25.720 Yeah, Next on things I hate for Devin design a week, 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.160 we have microwaves, So we're actually gonna call up a 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:33.320 fellow member of the Kaleidoscope family and three times Emmy 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:37.400 Award winning journalists and hosts of the hit podcast Kill 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.960 Switch Extra, Thomas. 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.560 All Right, Dexter, thank you for joining us. I'm very 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:45.200 happy to be here. 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:45.920 What's going on here? 0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:50.200 You know, we just got done talking about Tesla door handles, 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.000 and now we're on to number two on my list 0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:57.000 of things I don't like, which are microwaves. Yes, we've 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.560 all talked about our own microwave journeys, but I'm curious 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.560 to hear about your own microwave journey. 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.080 So I hate my microwave. There's like two branching thoughts here, 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.400 like I really hate my microwave. I bought it, I 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:09.960 want to say I bought on an eBay or something 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:15.440 like that, and there's so many buttons on it like 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:17.880 that you can't really tell what's going on at a glance. 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:19.760 Like I think any kind of good design, you should 0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:22.960 be able to understand what's going on immediately. Here's what 0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:24.560 you got to do with it, you know what I mean. 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.920 And it's like the start button is exactly the same 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.680 size as the zero button, and it's also close to it, 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.560 and there's all these different mode buttons, and so you 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.360 walk to it, and you know you're tired or you're 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.840 you know, inebriated. You're tired and inebriated, and you don't 0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:44.520 know what to do with the microwave, and like you 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.240 should be able to. It's a microwave. It's meant to 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:49.800 make your life simple. So why am I having difficulty 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.040 when I want to warm up some soup? So I've 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:54.680 been thinking about that a lot. And then at the 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.320 same time, have y'all heard of the Steve Jobs microwave? 0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:02.800 No, every once in a while, a revolutionary product comes 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.800 along that changes everything. 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:10.920 The Steve Jobs microwave is Steve Jobs famously said we're 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.720 gonna get to this, but famously said that any microwave 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:18.400 should only have I think, like two buttons, which is 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:23.560 the plus thirty second button and the start button, and 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:27.000 that's it. And I saw that online somewhere and I said, 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.640 you know what, this actually makes a lot of sense. 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.040 And then I got curious and I started looking it up. 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:35.920 I don't think this dude said that. 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.760 Oh wow, got a classic Mark Twain situation. 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:41.440 Exactly. Yes. 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:45.440 Yes, So I've been spending way too long on this, 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:50.040 like way too long on this, and like the best 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.560 that I can find is a bunch of people posting 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:53.320 this on LinkedIn. 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.320 Oh it's a classic LinkedIn post. 0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:57.000 Exactly. 0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.240 This has the energy of like that quote as the 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.280 energy of like very much. 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.520 It'll be like Steve Jobs famously said that a microwave 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:08.080 should only have two. It's really all about getting down 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.680 to what's important. And that's why I've laid off seventy 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:15.160 percent of the people who I employed. And it's really 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:19.200 all about being powerful, Yeah, down to the essentials. I 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.880 really think this dude didn't say it, but there is 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:24.760 maybe he did. Maybe he did. I just can't find 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:26.760 the source of it. Like I see it on Twitter, 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.479 I've seen it on LinkedIn. I've gone back as far 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.240 as I can maybe I could do more research. I 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:35.000 don't know. But whoever came up with this I think 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:39.120 actually is correct. I think they're actually right. And so 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.720 what I did, and just just as an experiment, like 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:45.680 I tried looking around to see, okay, is there a 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.040 microwave that only has a thirty second like a thirty 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:54.400 plus thirty seconds stop and start? Yeah, you know what 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:57.200 I mean? Those three I think, yeah, those are those? 0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:57.440 Are it? 0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:57.640 Oh? 0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:58.080 Yeah? 0:32:58.360 --> 0:32:58.719 Yeah? 0:32:58.760 --> 0:32:59.200 And so. 0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:04.280 I tried it. I tried making my own Steve Jobs microwave. 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.720 What yeah, yeah, like not. I can't. 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.920 I can't build microwaves like that. I'm not no, no, yeah, 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:20.480 you know, I three D print in my own microwaves. 0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:26.880 No got a kickstarted going, yeah exactly, maybe maybe after 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:28.360 this maybe we should started. 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:28.840 I don't know. 0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.720 The Steve Jobs microwave, no such things. 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:35.280 Steve Jobs microwave sounds pretty good. 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:40.160 But so what I did was I honestly just duct tape. 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:43.280 I just put tape over everything I don't want. And 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.640 so the number pad blacked out, like all the different 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:51.640 options blacked out, the logo blacked out. I forgot who 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.320 makes it? 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:52.640 The lawn. 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:55.640 I can't even diss the microwave manufacturing more because I 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.600 forgot who made it. It's just my microwave now everything 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.080 every so it's not dug tape is like black tape. 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:03.800 But I've had it like that for like a year. 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:05.000 It's great. 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:09.160 So you blacked out everything. But thirty seconds start and stop. 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:13.560 That's it. Wow, that's it life changing. You can walk up, 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.520 you can be tired, you can be anebriad, you can 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.799 be a combination of the above. And there's only three 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:22.800 buttons of press. And it's not stop because it's not running. 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.719 It's not start because there's no time on it. I 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:30.040 guess I've better push thirty one option? Really, like, do 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.120 you only have one option? And really, really you could 0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:34.840 pull out you could take out the stop. 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:37.799 Yeah, you can just open the. 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:40.080 Door because we could get it down to one button. Frankly, 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:42.919 there's one big button right there. You could punch it 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:44.000 just like you're mad. 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:46.000 Kind of. 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:51.000 In Yeah, this is perfect. 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.520 It's just a door. Yeah, why I mean is on 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:56.560 the is the door that way? 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.319 It could be you know a little smaller, Yeah, get 0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.120 more space for other things. 0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:07.120 More viewing, Yeah there yeah, yeah, but we need to 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.680 patent this before this episode comes out. 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:11.799 Yeah, we're going to be listening to this. 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.640 That's like true Nirvana, right, yeah, Singularity. 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.760 That was Dexter Thomas from the podcast kill Switch. 0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.760 I absolutely want to see all this like email inbox 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:23.680 or discord or whatever. 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:24.000 You guy. 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.160 Like like a week later, somebody's like, hey, y'all, I 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:28.720 got it. 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:35.240 It's like a working prototype. Stay tuned after the break. Couches. Couches, couches. 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.680 Third on the list for Devin Design Week was couches 0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:52.719 as a reminder. I've been on the market for a 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:57.960 couch for you know, last four or five years now. 0:35:58.040 --> 0:35:59.160 Was this man sitting. 0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:03.800 I have a couch. I just want to get a 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:04.280 new one. 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:04.640 You know. 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:09.560 I've been struggling to find something that's both comfortable and affordable. Huh. 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:11.920 So I had to figure out why is it so 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:15.320 hard for me to find a couch? So I called 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:16.480 out Sammy Reese. 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.799 My name is Sammy res I write the Snake Newsletter, 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:26.120 which is on furniture and design, with mostly a focus 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:30.399 on vintage furniture pieces. I moved into the apartment i'm 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.200 still in about twelve thirteen years ago, and it wasn't 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:37.000 a time where it was very easy to get information 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.480 on design if you were just kind of a regular consumer. 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.440 And I knew a little bit about you know, emes 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.000 and so on, but not that much. 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:47.239 And I was convinced that there was good stuff out 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.279 there because I needed to buy furniture, you know, sofa, couch, 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.320 coffee table, all this stuff from my apartment. 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.719 So he spent some time doing some research, reading some 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.520 design books, and talking to people in the design world, 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.839 and soon he became known by people in the media 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:05.400 industry as the design Guy. And one thing that Sammy 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.600 has written a lot about is this idea that although 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.960 we as a society have gotten better in terms of 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:16.040 fashion as a whole, it seems like we're lagging behind 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:17.400 when it comes to design. 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:20.200 I don't think that's controversial. 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.360 I think probably I don't want to speak for a 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.400 lot of people, but most people in design would agree 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.480 with that. Some of it, I think is just a 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:32.440 function of the logistics of you know, furniture and clothing. 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:34.560 You can only have one couch at a time in 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.879 your house. Couches are more expensive than even a pair 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:42.759 of you know, wildly expensive designer. But one thing I 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.640 think that's happened with why fashion has sort of gotten 0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:50.200 the head so much of design is that in the 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.439 last kind of fifteen years, what we've seen a lot 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.439 is sort of a vernacular understanding of fashion, either through 0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:00.200 street style or through Instagram photos of people's outfit. 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.400 Here are three things that you will find in my 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:04.759 closet this fall in winter, let's. 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.800 Make the best lava that you've seen all fall. 0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.000 So far, or through you know, photos of people on 0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:14.000 the runway, as opposed to let's say twenty years ago 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:19.080 when there wasn't really any vernacular regular people dressing and 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.799 then so that becoming more popular as well as the 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.960 rise of vintage, and the rise of vintage effectively is 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:30.600 all the clothing ever made is now available as opposed 0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:34.680 to just what is popular this season or what's being 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:38.480 sold this season. Has just kind of created a massive marketplace, 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.640 i think for clothing and has allowed just people to 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.160 dress better, which is a long long way of saying 0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:46.520 that there really isn't anything like that. For design, it's 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:51.200 very difficult to see different examples of people's homes that 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:55.399 are outfitted in you know, really either point of vieways 0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:59.279 or beautiful ways or impressive ways. For the most part, 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:03.080 what we see are professionally interior designed. 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:04.120 Homes Hey day. 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.440 It's kindall general, welcome to my house, come on in, 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:08.800 And those are going to be designed a little differently 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:12.000 than someone who you know, goes to the flea market, 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.720 you know, every week, or has been. 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:15.480 Gifted a couch. 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.440 And then some of it too is I think, you 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.560 know again, fron Chow is more expensive. 0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:26.759 The comparison to the popularity of like vintage clothing makes 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.040 a lot of sense, because you don't really go to 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:31.319 someone's apartment and see that they have a couch that's 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.960 like from a different era, like on purpose, like they 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:39.239 didn't seek out some old era couch. I guess some like. 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:43.719 Right, ye, but it's not to your point, it's not 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.560 as common as like everyone has some sort of you know, 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:50.560 rift store vintage peer of something at this point. 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:52.640 And then if it's a couch from all the way back, 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.359 then it probably is, you know, the integrity of it 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:59.720 is like way less quality, like if it's actually from. 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:01.600 Back the I think you're going to learn something. I 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.560 think you're gonna learn some things. Many good thing you're on. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:08.160 Good thing you're on. No such thing. Yeah, now, I 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.360 think there's just fewer. I agree with him completely. I 0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:13.800 think there's fewer examples of like, you know, if someone 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:17.000 has like a really nice house, we've all seen it 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.279 and talked about it at lant. You know, it's like 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.920 we are all sharing the same five references over and 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.719 over again. Yeah, all right, So getting back to couches, 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:29.839 I wanted to know why do modern day couches suck. 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:34.560 The main explanation for this from you know, working on this, 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.840 looking at this stuff talking to people in the industry 0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:40.960 is that material costs and labor costs are so much 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.839 higher now than they were in the nineteen sixties, when 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:48.320 maybe that was the last gasp of original American furniture 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:51.279 that was designed really with a point of view, but 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:55.040 it was also aimed towards you know, working people, young families, 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.239 which is another way of saying it was very affordable. 0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.800 And since then, if you were to make a sofa 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:02.680 that was similar to I know, let's say the Eames 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:06.720 Executive sofa, it's a nice, almost simple, you know, leather sofa, metal, 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.600 you know, chrome legs, nothing really crazy. We've all seen 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.840 it like one hundred times. And if you were to 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.360 make something like that new, it sells. It's got a 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:19.080 sofa like I'm fifteen k now, but it's that's an emes. 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.759 There's no way to get that cost down to something reasonable, 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.520 or that's what they say anyways. And the other kind 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:31.080 of more almost even granular explanations is that, well, you know, 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.879 the wood has to be shipped in from China, and 0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:40.360 the timber is more expensive now and they're using lousier 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.000 pieces of timber compared to the wood that they were 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:48.280 using sixty years ago, which is why it's almost counterintuitive. 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.920 But you know, you buy an eight thousand dollars sofa 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.759 in twenty twelve and it's not going to last, and 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:57.920 this five hundred dollars sofa that your grandparents bought in 0:41:57.960 --> 0:41:59.040 the fifties. 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:00.520 Is a show room piece. 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:04.440 Still there you go, man, have any apologies to me? 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:07.799 I meant more, if you're getting a couch that was 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:10.560 made in the eighties, it's been used so much that. 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:15.520 No, that's what that that's Yeah, I hear exactly what 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:16.560 you're saying, and I disagree. 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:18.680 Okay, I think it holds up that. 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.600 If you put the twenty twelve couch in nineteen eighty, 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:26.600 it'd be dull party. Yes, we can at least have 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:29.280 a conversation about the eighties couch. 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:34.239 So I wanted to ask him, you know, Sammy's an 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:38.759 expert on design, what should someone like me do who's 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:40.439 out on the market for a couch would be saying 0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:45.920 these new couches suck. What What would your guidance to 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.600 be for someone who like me who's looking to get 0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:50.960 a new couch. Do we just got to buy advantage? 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:52.319 Is that the workaround? 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:52.759 Yeah? 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.400 I mean so selfishly because of my newsletter, which just 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:59.319 guides people towards, you know, vintage furniture that you can 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.480 buy it like normal accessible price. Either that means you know, 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:04.800 soelfa that sells for you know, four hundred five hundred 0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.359 bucks on an auction site. And then the reason why 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.080 it's so cheap is because you have to go through 0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:14.040 the little bit of a headache of setting up the auction, 0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.800 getting the shipping towards you. And that's not too difficult. 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.400 I guide people through that. But also even if I 0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:25.000 weren't writing this newsletter, it's effectively that's that's that's what 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.920 I believe is the really it has the best value. 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:31.640 Vintage has the best value, but also has the most variety. 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:34.960 You ultimately have to buy a couch for yourself you're 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:38.240 not buying something that you see, you know, on someone 0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:41.120 else's Instagram or in a magazine or you know, in 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.040 a storefront or something like that. It has to really 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.759 click and you know, speak to you. I guess maybe 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.040 if you're a creative, esthetically minded person, let's say you 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.279 want to kind of feel in your solar plexus or 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:54.759 you want to have some sort of connection that you 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:57.279 like when you're rifling through a racket a store or 0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.960 on eBay, you see something and you hear the click, 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.560 and you're like, these are the pants for me? And 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.480 there's you know, one hundred pants on the rack, and 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.640 they're all, if we're being honest with each other, they're 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:08.719 all pretty much the same. 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:10.319 But one of them just speaks to you. 0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:15.879 And there is that exists in design and furniture. There's 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.080 so much out there it's it's almost mind boggling. 0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:29.840 So I hear this, it makes sense to me. 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.200 I think of like, all the couches that I see 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.600 that I like the most are some sort of vintage pieces, 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:37.680 especially like if I go to like you know, like 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:39.080 furniture shore rooms or whatever. 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:39.600 Yeah. 0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:45.000 But my one concern, which we kind of talked about 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.799 with the online couches. Is like, you don't get to 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.840 do the sit tests. Yeah, so it might look cool, 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.840 no solve for that yet, But then I get delivered 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.719 to my house. What if it's not What if I 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.240 don't you know, I don't love it in person? 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:01.319 Well so there isn't a test, and that is a thing. 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.239 And it's also you can sort of eyeball it a 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.600 little bit. Yeah, yeah, you know, you can email, you 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.319 can email the highles and just be like, hey, is 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:09.680 this a puffy couch? 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:11.360 Is you know, like is it comfortable. 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:13.800 A lot of this is my bias saying like, hey, 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:14.960 look just buy vintage. 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.840 It's not a big deal, you know. Or it is 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:18.279 a big deal. 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.680 It's a pain in the butt, but it's not the 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.200 world's biggest deal, especially if you're buying a vintage piece 0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:24.920 that's effectively liquid. 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:25.000 You know. 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:26.880 So so if you buy a pair of Levi's on 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.239 eBay and they don't really fit you, but they're old 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.120 Levi's with the you know, biggie, you can sell tomorrow, 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:32.640 you know. 0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:34.960 And it's the same thing with this furniture. 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:37.920 If you're willing to sort of take an l and 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:39.560 get rid of a couch that you hate, for a 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:41.799 couch that you think is like pretty. 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.480 Cool, there's sort of an endless supply. 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:46.480 Like if you were to buy one of these live 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:50.480 octioneer couches and it's passes the eye test that it's 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:54.640 pretty comfortable, and if you know, in April you decide 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:58.000 you don't like it, you could sell it all my classifieds. 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.799 You'll get most of some of your money back, and 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:05.640 then also you'll have the added advantage of you'll have 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:06.720 leveled up your taste. 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:07.400 M h. 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:11.160 And that's the big thing I think is, you know, 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.440 to level up your style, you you go through you know, 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:18.040 four different style you know, evolutions and variations, and you 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.080 go from this gene to this gene to this shoe 0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:24.359 to this shoe. And the key I think to having 0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:29.560 a bigger, more robust kind of design understanding is people 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:30.040 doing that. 0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:32.600 It makes sense too. And when thinking about like I, 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.040 you so always think I would never order clothes online 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.000 because I would have to try it first, but I've 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:39.960 completely gotten used to it and yeah, obviously much different 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.880 than like a giant couch. But what he's saying makes sense. 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.920 It is interesting, like after having talked to him, you know, 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.560 like someone who's so passionate about this stuff and actually, 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:51.880 you know, does it for a living or whatever? He 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.040 does kind of change your mindset of like, yeah, why 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:56.880 don't I just like take a risk and like do 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.440 the thing. And I think that like you was saying that, 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.759 like you got to try some shit out to see 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:04.360 like what works makes so much sense. I think with 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.360 like designed and furniture in our homes, we're just so like, 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:09.640 all right, I get one shot at this. If it 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.000 doesn't work out, I'm stuck with it and I can't change. 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.680 My mind at least five or sixty Yeah, it's. 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.920 Like until it breaks essentially right, And it's like, no, 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:19.360 why don't you buy something? 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:19.719 You know? 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:22.000 He was saying like, especially if you do your research 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.360 and stuff ahead of time. If I buy a couch 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.439 that's say fifteen hundred dollars if I don't like it, 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:29.719 but I've done my research and know it's like a 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.200 couch that's going to hold up like on the market. 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.600 He's like, you can sell it for aenty twelve hundred 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:36.800 and it's like, yeah, you're going to lose some money 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:38.239 for it, but you got to sit on the couch 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:39.000 for six months. 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:43.000 Or happier when you get your Ultimately it works, and like, 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:45.160 especially when you're living in New York, like, if you 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:46.960 don't want to deal with a real shipping thing, I'm 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:48.920 sure there's people here like, yeah, easier here. 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:50.959 Probably there's a local furniture place. 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:52.839 Someone can take it off your hands and deal with 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:57.359 most the most annoying actually pick it. So it seems like, 0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:01.200 especially someone like you who's been wait, it would probably 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:02.719 be worth taking the risk. 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:07.360 Yeah, all right, that's it for Week two of Devon Design. 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:07.640 Week. 0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:13.480 Yeah, this is a lot of fun. I will say, 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:16.719 I'm gonna tease it for the newsletter. I did ask Sammy, Okay, 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:20.520 you got to pick a new couch that you would recommend. 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.040 What is it? You're not gonna find out here? You 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:27.480 gotta go to that show. You look at it. 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:29.239 You're not gonna it doesn't even make sense. I'm gonna 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:30.799 say it. Then you gotta have to google it so 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:34.279 that show you'll see the. 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:35.320 Couch to semi recommends. 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:40.120 And this guy's got taste, So uh, I'll tease it. 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:43.880 Consider yourself teased. I think you've teased them. 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:52.719 More than I'm feeling teased. So that was Week one 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:54.160 of Devon Design. 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.839 I guess not Week one, the first annual Devon Design Week. 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.399 I'm gonna do number one of these, so email us 0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:04.919 at Many Noah Devin at gmail dot com, or call 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.080 us at the number in our show notes and tell 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.600 us the designs that you hate. Our guest this week 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.200 where Arion Marshall at Wired. I'm going to link to 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:18.640 her recording. 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