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Speaker 1: All Right, fellas, Welcome to Devin Design Week, which is
Speaker 1: not a week.
Speaker 3: It's just one episode of the podcast. It will take
Speaker 3: you a week. Break it up.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is gonna be mostly me complaining about things
Speaker 1: in my life that I hate the design of. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about Tesla door handles, We're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about Michael Waves, and we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about couches.
Speaker 3: So let's get right into it.
Speaker 4: Let's dive in.
Speaker 1: It's one am. You know, you're at a bar. It's
Speaker 1: a little too late. You don't want to take the
Speaker 1: subway home, Pull up the Uber and lift ap. You're
Speaker 1: comparing prices. You call a car and Uber is a
Speaker 1: little bit cheaper. And look what you got. I got
Speaker 1: damn Tesla.
Speaker 4: Helping the environment.
Speaker 1: Helping the environment, sure, but why the fuck is it
Speaker 1: so hard to open the door in the Dan Tesla?
Speaker 3: I don't know how to open this.
Speaker 5: I'm poor.
Speaker 6: I don't know how to open that.
Speaker 4: I want to see you open the door.
Speaker 3: You gotta grab it by your thumb.
Speaker 7: Try it again, try it again.
Speaker 1: Look, this is politics aside for this conversation. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be neutral on Elon Musk.
Speaker 3: I love that, Okay, I love this.
Speaker 4: The bumper stickers people get.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I got this before you shut the hell up.
Speaker 3: No, it's where.
Speaker 4: Do they buy those? Even?
Speaker 3: It's like, what the hell? Anyway, So he's a genius.
Speaker 3: This is great. What have you ever done? So?
Speaker 1: And I will say this, you know, before I talk
Speaker 1: all this ship about Tesla's I'm not a car guy
Speaker 1: at all, you know, but people love to be like,
Speaker 1: what what car like? If you could get your dream car,
Speaker 1: what would you get? So for a while there, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, Tesla's look kind of cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be kind of cool to have a Tesla.
Speaker 1: But then do y'all remember when Tesla started being on
Speaker 1: like Uber and left, and I would when I would
Speaker 1: see it, I'm like, oh, cool, it's a Tesla. But
Speaker 1: then you get inside, I'm like, oh, these are not
Speaker 1: like the inside of Tesla's are not that nice, like
Speaker 1: they like you think of other luxury vehicles like Mercedia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, you get.
Speaker 1: In, it's like comfortable, there's like, you know, cupholder. It's
Speaker 1: like it just feels like more complete.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I would get in these teslas and outside of
Speaker 1: the screen showing like the street, I was like, this
Speaker 1: feels kind of like a budget car, Like it's not comfortable, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's maybe the ride is a little bit smoother,
Speaker 1: but obviously the biggest issue is like what are we doing.
Speaker 3: With the damn door handles? Yeah, to get in is
Speaker 3: one thing.
Speaker 1: All right, you're outside, You're like you got to push
Speaker 1: it in a certain way to like for it to
Speaker 1: come out, so you could pull it so that you
Speaker 1: can open up the door. It's a little bit awkward,
Speaker 1: like your finger gets a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of not much to grass. No, once you even
Speaker 3: get it out.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 4: Is it a like I always wonder, is it a
Speaker 4: two hand operation where like you push one side, the
Speaker 4: other side pops in and then you grab it with
Speaker 4: that side.
Speaker 3: But like every why do that? You know, every other door?
Speaker 1: That's one one thing we don't really complain about with anymore.
Speaker 3: How to open them. You know.
Speaker 1: No one was like, yeah, it's like that. One was
Speaker 1: like it's so hard to open a car door. It's like,
Speaker 1: we got it. You know, like the handles pretty ergonomic.
Speaker 1: You know, you kind of do it. It's pretty natural,
Speaker 1: opens up pretty easily.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The weird thing is because like I remember hearing some
Speaker 4: you know, Tesla super fans being like the point is
Speaker 4: that the car handle is hidden. It's like flush now. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but but like so many cars do that like in
Speaker 4: a way where like it's it looks invisible, but you
Speaker 4: can get under the handle and then pull it out,
Speaker 4: so it doesn't feel like a good excuse.
Speaker 1: And then you know, getting in is one thing. What's
Speaker 1: even worse is once you're in the car, I still
Speaker 1: to this day have not figured it out, and you're
Speaker 1: trying to get out, you gotta press the button. Every
Speaker 1: time I do it, I'm putting the window.
Speaker 4: Or like locking the car.
Speaker 3: You got to press the button to like get out
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: And I still don't quite understand how to do it
Speaker 1: because every time I'm doing it, I'm putting the window
Speaker 1: down a little bit like you're saying it's locking unlocking,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do I just open the door.
Speaker 4: Well, we've been trained growing up in like the early
Speaker 4: two thousands, once cars were fine, like the ubiquity of
Speaker 4: cars were electric in the windows and the door locks.
Speaker 4: We've been trained to look at a button that shows
Speaker 4: a car door and press that to lock the car
Speaker 4: lock the door. Now, I mean, it does feel like
Speaker 4: kind of self explanatory, but like that's just what we
Speaker 4: think where we think we were locking it. So when
Speaker 4: I see the button in the Tesla, I'm looking for
Speaker 4: a handle or something.
Speaker 1: And every time, you know, it's when I get in there,
Speaker 1: I get kind of doory brain where I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what did I do last time? I don't remember because
Speaker 1: I'm like whatever I did last time was wrong. Whatever
Speaker 1: I need to do now is but I didn't do
Speaker 1: last time, And every time I do it, I do
Speaker 1: the wrong thing. And it's just like, why, what is
Speaker 1: the purpose? There must be some sort of purpose to this.
Speaker 1: There must be a reason that he has redesigned the
Speaker 1: car door handle, right, They're like, they're not just doing
Speaker 1: it to fuck with us. Any theories as to why
Speaker 1: the outside makes sense to something like you're saying it
Speaker 1: could be flush a little bit more aerodynamic, you know,
Speaker 1: nothing sticking out?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, why are the inside Why on the inside?
Speaker 3: What is going on on the inside.
Speaker 1: I would imagine if this was my car, Yeah, imagine
Speaker 1: by now.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't understand how to use it.
Speaker 4: But especially like you were saying at one a m.
Speaker 4: Yes for me, oftentimes two, three, four am and I
Speaker 4: cannot put to I'm half asleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now I'm in the dark trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to open my door, like I'm a three year.
Speaker 4: Old and the driver's like yelling yeah.
Speaker 3: I like in some some of them they put instructions.
Speaker 1: You ever see They're.
Speaker 3: Like, here's how you opened the door.
Speaker 1: Study this, And I'm like, okay, we as adults can't
Speaker 1: figure this out.
Speaker 3: It's too complicated.
Speaker 1: That's not something I should have to think about when
Speaker 1: I'm getting into or out of a car. All right,
Speaker 1: So that's the first thing. Then I'm gonna get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of so number two on the things that
Speaker 1: I don't like. Microwaves. All right, I got a new
Speaker 1: microwave about six months ago. My old microwave was randomly sparking. Oh,
Speaker 1: so I just got like, okay, this is like a
Speaker 1: reasonably priced microwave that will fit in this slot, because
Speaker 1: that was the big thing I was concerned about, is
Speaker 1: just like the sizing of it. So I got this
Speaker 1: new microwave, and for the most part, it's fine. I'm
Speaker 1: someone who relies heavily on just add thirty seconds a
Speaker 1: button for most of this stuff I'm putting in there,
Speaker 1: and just do add thirty seconds. Yeah, But over the
Speaker 1: last week or two, I've been trying to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more prescriptive with the microwave. Right, So, like,
Speaker 1: for example, I was melting some butter. I was having
Speaker 1: some seafood thing. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna melt
Speaker 1: some butter for this. I was like, okay, there's a
Speaker 1: soft oh yeah, melt button soft and meltain. So I
Speaker 1: clicked that. Nothing happens, all right, okay, so that gay.
Speaker 1: Maybe I clicked that and then hit another.
Speaker 4: Button like it didn't turn on nothing, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It didn't turn on. So I hit the soft melt
Speaker 1: then one. Then it's like there's an S two on
Speaker 1: the on the microwave. What the hell does that mean?
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I just hit start. Nothing happens.
Speaker 1: So then I'm just like, well, you know, clear it
Speaker 1: all out. Yeah, just add thirty seconds and keep an
Speaker 1: eye on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it just butter.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But then you know they have the popcorn button.
Speaker 3: There's other things on there. It's like potato button. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: like the frosty steak yehoa yep yeah.
Speaker 1: And I feel like anytime I try to do anything
Speaker 1: outside of plus thirty seconds, I'm like, I got to
Speaker 1: rate a manual to use this. Why isn't it Like,
Speaker 1: what's the point of the button If it's not simple? Right,
Speaker 1: If you have a button, I should be able to
Speaker 1: press it and then just do the thing.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's like the the Kevin Garnet and uncut jams.
Speaker 7: What the fuck would you show me something? If I
Speaker 7: couldn't have it, then what the would you bring it out?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Know what's your experience been with microwaves? You have a
Speaker 1: positive microwave experience?
Speaker 5: I try not to on my Maha stuff, I try
Speaker 5: to avoid the microwave oh less.
Speaker 4: Honestly, growing up, my parents always had us cover the
Speaker 4: things in the markets. Yes, yeah, I guess for health safety.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, it's to keep it from splashing all over the place.
Speaker 4: Oh no, ours was like a health thing. I don't
Speaker 4: know health of what. It was just like warming it
Speaker 4: up without exposing it to the other things in there.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Wait, okay, what are you covering it with?
Speaker 3: Like another plate you had? Oh okay, another plate.
Speaker 4: Or sometimes microwaves come with the yeah, the plastic cover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, remember we did a microwave cover thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that was more it would heat up well
Speaker 5: yeah and stop stop.
Speaker 4: I could be wrong, but I think it was more
Speaker 4: like we don't want to have it in their raw
Speaker 4: to the microwaves.
Speaker 3: We don't want that for a comedy.
Speaker 1: We don't want the microwaves to do what they're supposed
Speaker 1: to want all that.
Speaker 3: Just like halfway use it.
Speaker 1: We just like a spinning in there, don't be we
Speaker 1: don't want the microwaves touching it.
Speaker 3: Gross.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just feel like, you know, back to
Speaker 1: you know, the whole reason is Devin Design week. I
Speaker 1: just feel like, why haven't we designed a more intuitive microwave?
Speaker 1: You know, if I need to rate a manual to
Speaker 1: understand how to use it, then it just shouldn't be it.
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be a button.
Speaker 1: And then my third scenario here right, this one is
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about for a long time. Like I've
Speaker 1: been in New York work gone on ten years. Right
Speaker 1: before I moved to New York, I moved with two
Speaker 1: other of my good friends. We stopped at some furnisure
Speaker 1: thrift store in Jersey on the way to like moving.
Speaker 1: We got like, okay, we got to make an Ikea
Speaker 1: run and we got to stop on one of these
Speaker 1: furniture stores and get a get a couch. So the
Speaker 1: couch we got was used. It's kind of like old school,
Speaker 1: got a kind of like a floral print. But We're like,
Speaker 1: this couch is so comfortable, and it was cheap. It
Speaker 1: was like two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 3: Wow. And so I've had that couch ever since.
Speaker 1: And I will say this, this, my couch is the
Speaker 1: one of the most comfortable couches I've ever sat on.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, but.
Speaker 1: It's had you know, it's had its it's fair share
Speaker 1: of wear in terms of like I've had, you know,
Speaker 1: multiple pets now on this couch.
Speaker 3: Ten years of people sitting on it.
Speaker 1: You know, things have spilled, you know, the threads are
Speaker 1: coming a bit unlose. It was used at the time,
Speaker 1: So this couch is probably twenty years old. If not that,
Speaker 1: but the structure of it, you know, this is an
Speaker 1: old school couch or the structure of it is solid. Right,
Speaker 1: you sit on it, it's comfortable, it's not falling apart.
Speaker 1: It's not like those Ikea couches where you like, if
Speaker 1: somebody sitting on one side, you're tilted over.
Speaker 3: But it's about time for a new couch to come
Speaker 3: to my life.
Speaker 4: Yepo.
Speaker 1: So I've been looking around, I would say for the
Speaker 1: last five years, it may be longer than that. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about getting a new couch. I've been going
Speaker 1: to places, I've been sitting on couches. I've been looking online.
Speaker 1: We are at a point in this country. I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is true across the world. Well, we
Speaker 1: have lost our way with couches. Wow, And I'm telling
Speaker 1: you why. We got basically two versions of couches nowadays.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: We either have a couch that looks beautiful, beautifully designed
Speaker 1: like aesthetically if no one's sitting on it, wow, take
Speaker 1: a picture lovely, right, and then we have couches that
Speaker 1: are comfortable, not good to look at. My couch not
Speaker 1: much to look at. But you sit on that thing,
Speaker 1: you don't want to get up. You're comfortable, like you know,
Speaker 1: you send in it, you could just you could fall
Speaker 1: asleep in it and your bus not hurting after sending
Speaker 1: it for twenty you know your back's not hurting. And
Speaker 1: no one has figured out a way to do both
Speaker 1: of these things at a reasonable price.
Speaker 4: That is, I agree with you there.
Speaker 1: Couches are expenses. Thousands and thousands of dollars for couches.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you to how do you feel
Speaker 1: about your current couches? Where did you get them?
Speaker 4: So we got our couch. It's a Hay couch heard
Speaker 4: of Hey the company? Yes, nice, but we got to
Speaker 4: use so it wasn't as expensive.
Speaker 3: They're not cheap though, Hay couches are not cheap.
Speaker 4: I think we damn.
Speaker 3: I mean it was.
Speaker 4: I think it's fifteen hundred use more than one. But
Speaker 4: the guys who had it previously were giving it on
Speaker 4: a huge discount, and they hadn't used it that much.
Speaker 4: They hadn't use it two months or something. They had
Speaker 4: to leave the city for some for whatever reason, you
Speaker 4: got to go. So we got a really good deal
Speaker 4: on it. Looks great, It looks great.
Speaker 1: How comfortable is it I've only sat on it, y'all
Speaker 1: usually said it's really comfortable.
Speaker 4: I fall right asleep on this thing. The thing, the
Speaker 4: thing that makes it so comfortable is the depth. It's
Speaker 4: so deep in uh in the you know. The material
Speaker 4: is good.
Speaker 3: So your hay one you're happy with.
Speaker 4: We're happy with it. But it's too big to fit
Speaker 4: in that living room.
Speaker 1: See, this is another issue which I did not even
Speaker 1: mention living in New York.
Speaker 3: It's size.
Speaker 1: So I don't have that big of an apartment, so
Speaker 1: I need a couch, and like you said, I want
Speaker 1: a couch with a little bit of debt in the seat.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be sitting on my couch and
Speaker 1: half my leg is off the couch. I want to
Speaker 1: be able to sit in it. But it also can't
Speaker 1: have a huge footprint, right that. I have a small apartment,
Speaker 1: so it needs to I need to have a lot
Speaker 1: of room from my ass and everything else is pretty
Speaker 1: you know, to the couch. And that's that's another issue.
Speaker 1: So your hey couch, like you're saying, good seat, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of bag. No, it's your couch story.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think we bought a couch. I think
Speaker 5: maybe West mm hmm, maybe two years ago. Now it's
Speaker 5: it's comfy, it's it's big, and it's got like the
Speaker 5: extra little section. Okay, little Chase, Yeah yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 5: this is like, okay, we're actually gonna got a nice
Speaker 5: I had like a wayfair cheap little thing before. It's like,
Speaker 5: all right, we're gonna get a nice upgrade. This is
Speaker 5: something like we can move with us and like.
Speaker 3: Take care of how you feeling about two years later.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 5: It's it's comfy, it's it's got a good depth, and
Speaker 5: like I could lay down and sleep on this and
Speaker 5: be pretty like definitely once while I'm there at three
Speaker 5: o'clock just relaxing. Yeah, I got some music go on.
Speaker 5: I'm happy with it. I don't think it'll be my
Speaker 5: couch for my entire life, but.
Speaker 3: See, but that's the way it used to be.
Speaker 1: It used to be you buy a couch, my couch,
Speaker 1: and that's your couch until your kids, you know, are grown.
Speaker 3: But now I feel like we get couches. You've had
Speaker 3: this couch two years, you're already thinking about moving on
Speaker 3: from it, you know, you're talking about it.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have it by rest of my life.
Speaker 1: We used to have good couches. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is the couches the build nowadays suck. So many of
Speaker 1: the couches I see like because I'll see someone post
Speaker 1: a couch and I'll look up, Okay, this was son
Speaker 1: specific couch, someone who's had it for three or four years,
Speaker 1: and they're like, Oh, I love the couch when I
Speaker 1: first got it. Now it's singing in there's things falling apart,
Speaker 1: like the structures are in as good. And then the
Speaker 1: other issue you have is that if you want to
Speaker 1: get a couch, I know it's not as bad as
Speaker 1: it was during COVID, but you gotta wait a while. Also,
Speaker 1: how am I expected to buy a couch online that
Speaker 1: I've never sat in? Yeah, this is crazy anymore these places.
Speaker 1: If you're an online couch place, you got to have
Speaker 1: a showroom. I got to sit my ass on. I'm
Speaker 1: not buying a couch. I'm not sitting on all Right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break, and when we get
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear about why some people are calling Tesla's
Speaker 1: door handles deadly. We're gonna hear about the Steve Jobs microwave,
Speaker 1: and last but not least, we're gonna figure out what
Speaker 1: you should do if you're looking to buy a new couch.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Week two of Devin Design. Week.
Speaker 1: Before the break, we were complaining about Tesla door handles
Speaker 1: a podcast.
Speaker 9: Okay, you know time is a constructs Yeah, before the break,
Speaker 9: and we were complaining about three things got Tesla door handles,
Speaker 9: microwaves in modern day couches.
Speaker 1: So I tracked down some experts to help us get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of all of my design qualms. So
Speaker 1: first up, we're gonna tackle my issue with Tesla's annoyingly
Speaker 1: complicated door handles. So I called up to someone who's
Speaker 1: been following this issue very closely.
Speaker 6: My name is Arian Marshall, and I'm a staff writer Wired,
Speaker 6: where I write about transportation and tech.
Speaker 1: So I really wanted Arion to break down the difference
Speaker 1: between a regular door handle and a Tesla door handle.
Speaker 6: Automakers for many, many years have been showing off these
Speaker 6: kind of cool electronic door handles that only respond to
Speaker 6: you when you're close to them, and for a long
Speaker 6: time it was something you just saw on concept cars.
Speaker 6: So it was like one of these things that was
Speaker 6: like that'd be cool and sexy one day, but like
Speaker 6: not practical until Tesla did it and they started doing
Speaker 6: on production cars in the twenty tens, and from a
Speaker 6: design perspective, there were a lot of people really excited
Speaker 6: about that because it was like, Wow, this is something
Speaker 6: that we didn't think made any sort of practical sense
Speaker 6: and just kind of looks cool. Tesla likes to argue
Speaker 6: that it gives them a smidge more range because it
Speaker 6: makes the cars more aerodynamic because the door handles can
Speaker 6: be flat to the side of the car. Some people
Speaker 6: have done sort of back of the envelope calculations and
Speaker 6: it really only gives them like a mile of extra range,
Speaker 6: so not a big deal, but it was like a cool, sexy,
Speaker 6: exciting thing.
Speaker 1: Is that like the thinking behind the redesign is like
Speaker 1: it's more futuristic, it looks cooler.
Speaker 3: Is that really?
Speaker 1: Is there any functionality that's better outside of like you're saying,
Speaker 1: maybe saving a mile on your electric range?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that kind of seems to be it. It's I mean,
Speaker 6: one of the big things that people are looking for
Speaker 6: in luxury vehicles in New ebs is this real car
Speaker 6: of the future sense, And it's kind of become a
Speaker 6: signal that like, this is a future car. It kind
Speaker 6: of feels like a spaceship, Like it feels like you're
Speaker 6: in the future. And that's one way that car designers
Speaker 6: have found to really say like, Hey, we're going for it.
Speaker 6: This this is a cool one.
Speaker 3: Look at us.
Speaker 4: I mean, why can't you have an aerodynamic car handle
Speaker 4: that is in a pain in the ass to open.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point, mister musk, get on that.
Speaker 1: So one thing I learned through this process too. Right
Speaker 1: last time we were talking about you're in the back
Speaker 1: of a Tuesla, you're trying to get out, You're pressing
Speaker 1: the button. The window's going down. What the hell's going on?
Speaker 1: So I learned that the window going down is a
Speaker 1: thing that actually happens on purpose. You know, when you
Speaker 1: press that button and the window goes down a little bit. Oh,
Speaker 1: when you're getting out of the car, that's the right button. Window,
Speaker 1: that's the right button you're hitting. I always thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I pressed the wrong button. The windows going down, that's
Speaker 1: the window button. I gotta press another button to get out.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: But no, So when you go to open the Tusla doors,
Speaker 1: whether you're in the outside or inside, the window goes
Speaker 1: down a little bit.
Speaker 3: So that it can clear the trim.
Speaker 1: So Tesla's have what's called like a tremless window, so
Speaker 1: the window goes right up to the roof, so ife
Speaker 1: weres to try to open the door while the window
Speaker 1: was completely up. The window could potentially break because there's
Speaker 1: a seal that the window forms with the top of
Speaker 1: the roof, So the window goes down a little bit
Speaker 1: to break that seal so that you can open the
Speaker 1: door easily.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 1: So this blew my mind because I thought every time
Speaker 1: I was leaving the car, I'm pressing the wrong but
Speaker 1: I'm putting the window.
Speaker 3: Then you're trying to go out too fast.
Speaker 1: Essentially, Yes, you know, I need to press the button,
Speaker 1: give it up, due, Okay, now I can continue. But
Speaker 1: I was pressing the button and thinking, oh shit, this
Speaker 1: is the wrong button. Then I just stop and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the private How do I get out?
Speaker 1: And He's like, no, you idiot, that's what's supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: But no one has ever explained that to me. This
Speaker 1: is the first time I'm hearing of it. That's why
Speaker 1: I love this podcast. You learned something new every day.
Speaker 1: All right, So Tesla does this thing that looks cool, right,
Speaker 1: they got these new door handles, they're automakers actually start
Speaker 1: copying them. But despite it looking cool, there are some
Speaker 1: real complaints about this Tussel door handle.
Speaker 3: Outside of me just being petty.
Speaker 6: Bloomberg published this big report that really went deep into
Speaker 6: the issues with these door handles because they're electronic. If
Speaker 6: the twelve volt battery that powers the car, so that's
Speaker 6: not like the big electric vehicle battery, but the littler
Speaker 6: battery that powers other little kind of incidental parts of
Speaker 6: the car, if it dies, you might not be able
Speaker 6: to get in or out of your car, really inconvenient.
Speaker 6: Tesla and other automakers do have mechanical releases, but where
Speaker 6: those mechanical releases are is different in every car. There's
Speaker 6: no kind of standard, and there have been complaints that
Speaker 6: in Tesla vehicles, particularly also in the vehicles from ribbyan
Speaker 6: another electric car maker, they are really hard to find,
Speaker 6: and that's like kind of inconvenient. But in an emergency situation,
Speaker 6: if your car's on fire, if your child is in
Speaker 6: the back of your if you've exited the car and
Speaker 6: you're going to get the car seat and they're locked
Speaker 6: in the car, they can't find a mechanical release, So
Speaker 6: there have been some complaints and now we've seen actually
Speaker 6: there have been at least two lawsuits fired where people
Speaker 6: have alleged that people have died because they've gotten stuck
Speaker 6: in tesla's while the teslas have been on fire and
Speaker 6: the people have been unable to accept the cars because
Speaker 6: they've been unable to find these mechanical releases in time
Speaker 6: to escape. So scary bad stuff, like something that looks
Speaker 6: cool but maybe has a serious downside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, because these handles are electric, if something happens
Speaker 1: to your car battery, if there's a fire, you have
Speaker 1: to use a mechanical release to open the door. And
Speaker 1: I was just poking around, like the mechanical cool releases
Speaker 1: are not like sometimes near the door, the sometimes under.
Speaker 3: Seats and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's not in a place that you would naturally
Speaker 1: think to look like, Okay, this door handle isn't working
Speaker 1: all right, right next to it, I press this button
Speaker 1: and then it will do the same thing. It's like
Speaker 1: you kind of need to know before you get into
Speaker 1: that situation what to do. And I imagine most people,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not researching where are a mechanical release
Speaker 1: is in educating everyone who's going to be in your
Speaker 1: car or.
Speaker 4: Do we know where the Tesla mechanical release.
Speaker 1: It's different for each car. There isn't like a standard
Speaker 1: for every single test. Last it's in this spot.
Speaker 4: Wow mm hmm, yep. I remember reading about this like
Speaker 4: a year ago. There was like some horrific crash.
Speaker 10: The family of one of the victims of last year's
Speaker 10: deadly cyber truck crash in Piedmont is now suing Tesla.
Speaker 10: Three college students died in the crash. A lawsuit filed
Speaker 10: by the family of Christazukahara claims she suffered only minor
Speaker 10: injuries in the crash, but couldn't get out of the
Speaker 10: car or be rescued after the vehicle's main battery caught fire.
Speaker 10: They say she died from either the flames or from
Speaker 10: smoke inhalation. The family blames the cyber truck's door design.
Speaker 10: A statement from the family reads, quote, her death was preventable.
Speaker 10: We are filing this lawsuit not just for accountability, but
Speaker 10: because there are other families out there who may never
Speaker 10: know the risks until it's too late.
Speaker 1: But it does seem like some changes are coming to
Speaker 1: the Tesla door handles.
Speaker 6: Earlier this year, the Chinese regulator that that looks over
Speaker 6: like technology in the country put out a memo that
Speaker 6: they were going to be finally regulating these door handles.
Speaker 6: So it seems like it will require Tesla to redesign
Speaker 6: make the mechanical release kind of next to or like
Speaker 6: right with the electronic door handles, so if, for example,
Speaker 6: the battery dies, you can still use the door handle
Speaker 6: really easily. Tesla has now said that they're redesigning their
Speaker 6: door handles. They came out and said this in September,
Speaker 6: and they're head of design went on TV and said, hey,
Speaker 6: we want to make this more intuitive to use.
Speaker 11: Have you considered a redesign or a fix for these issues.
Speaker 11: We actually have a mechanical release that's you know, basically
Speaker 11: right at the electronic one two, and we're combining the
Speaker 11: two so you know, in the moments that you're in
Speaker 11: a panic situation, the muscle memory to go to you know,
Speaker 11: what you know is right there, so you just pull
Speaker 11: a little bit further on the lever and you have
Speaker 11: the mechanical release.
Speaker 3: So that's something that we're working on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the reason why China is doing it is
Speaker 6: because they had a highly publicized incident where a Chinese
Speaker 6: automaker with these door handles, someone was driving in one
Speaker 6: of these cars. They got into a crash and it
Speaker 6: seems that, uh, the person got trapped in the car
Speaker 6: and died while it was on fire. And there's kind
Speaker 6: of an interesting dynamic here because I think a lot
Speaker 6: of people still have the idea that like things are
Speaker 6: underregulated in China. It's the wild West in terms of products,
Speaker 6: like they're doing whatever, they're putting out whatever. But actually
Speaker 6: China has been really at the fore run of auto
Speaker 6: regulations specifically, so we're now getting to this place where
Speaker 6: like the rest of the world might be taking cues
Speaker 6: from what China is doing.
Speaker 3: And you said there was some news that broke today
Speaker 3: on this what was that news.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So the news this morning is that the NITSA,
Speaker 6: the US regulator, put out a letter that said that
Speaker 6: they have gotten even more complaints from consumers about this
Speaker 6: door handle issues since they first announced their probe a
Speaker 6: few weeks ago, so they're basically like expanding the probe.
Speaker 6: And then the other news that came out today is
Speaker 6: that there is a the family of a Wisconsin couple
Speaker 6: who died last year after their Tesla caught fire. Are
Speaker 6: actually suing Tesla because they say that they were unable
Speaker 6: to There were actually five people in that car, and
Speaker 6: they say they were unable to escape because the door
Speaker 6: handles got stuck or didn't work.
Speaker 12: The lawsuit claims Tesla's door design trap the couple inside
Speaker 12: the burning car. The family is seeking to hold Tesla
Speaker 12: accountable for allegedly designing vehicles that make survivaal crashes fatal.
Speaker 3: That's horrible. It's like, looks cool, but yeah, you can
Speaker 3: get trapped in it. You know, if your car's on fire.
Speaker 3: Maybe not worth the cool design to ye.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And there's a I think there's a a sort
Speaker 6: of interesting balance and I'm sure you see this not
Speaker 6: only in cars, but like the entire tech world, where
Speaker 6: it's like, we can do this with engineering. Is it
Speaker 6: worth it? Is it better than the stuff we have
Speaker 6: right now? Like, it looks cool, it's fun, but does
Speaker 6: it like does does the wheel Like should we just
Speaker 6: stick with the wheel? Do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Speaker 3: Maybe we should just stick with the wheel that was working.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like with the car innovations, it made
Speaker 4: sense when windows stopped being like the roll up thing
Speaker 4: switched to the button because I don't know, it's like easier,
Speaker 4: it's like us easier. But but for the door, it's
Speaker 4: like it hadn't solved the problem. Like it's electric, but
Speaker 4: we're still pushing it with our you know, with physical force.
Speaker 3: But it looks cool. Couch for something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Next on things I hate for Devin design a week,
Speaker 1: we have microwaves, So we're actually gonna call up a
Speaker 1: fellow member of the Kaleidoscope family and three times Emmy
Speaker 1: Award winning journalists and hosts of the hit podcast Kill
Speaker 1: Switch Extra, Thomas.
Speaker 3: All Right, Dexter, thank you for joining us. I'm very
Speaker 3: happy to be here.
Speaker 8: What's going on here?
Speaker 1: You know, we just got done talking about Tesla door handles,
Speaker 1: and now we're on to number two on my list
Speaker 1: of things I don't like, which are microwaves. Yes, we've
Speaker 1: all talked about our own microwave journeys, but I'm curious
Speaker 1: to hear about your own microwave journey.
Speaker 8: So I hate my microwave. There's like two branching thoughts here,
Speaker 8: like I really hate my microwave. I bought it, I
Speaker 8: want to say I bought on an eBay or something
Speaker 8: like that, and there's so many buttons on it like
Speaker 8: that you can't really tell what's going on at a glance.
Speaker 8: Like I think any kind of good design, you should
Speaker 8: be able to understand what's going on immediately. Here's what
Speaker 8: you got to do with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: And it's like the start button is exactly the same
Speaker 8: size as the zero button, and it's also close to it,
Speaker 8: and there's all these different mode buttons, and so you
Speaker 8: walk to it, and you know you're tired or you're
Speaker 8: you know, inebriated. You're tired and inebriated, and you don't
Speaker 8: know what to do with the microwave, and like you
Speaker 8: should be able to. It's a microwave. It's meant to
Speaker 8: make your life simple. So why am I having difficulty
Speaker 8: when I want to warm up some soup? So I've
Speaker 8: been thinking about that a lot. And then at the
Speaker 8: same time, have y'all heard of the Steve Jobs microwave?
Speaker 4: No, every once in a while, a revolutionary product comes
Speaker 4: along that changes everything.
Speaker 8: The Steve Jobs microwave is Steve Jobs famously said we're
Speaker 8: gonna get to this, but famously said that any microwave
Speaker 8: should only have I think, like two buttons, which is
Speaker 8: the plus thirty second button and the start button, and
Speaker 8: that's it. And I saw that online somewhere and I said,
Speaker 8: you know what, this actually makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 8: And then I got curious and I started looking it up.
Speaker 8: I don't think this dude said that.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, got a classic Mark Twain situation.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yes.
Speaker 8: Yes, So I've been spending way too long on this,
Speaker 8: like way too long on this, and like the best
Speaker 8: that I can find is a bunch of people posting
Speaker 8: this on LinkedIn.
Speaker 3: Oh it's a classic LinkedIn post.
Speaker 8: Exactly.
Speaker 1: This has the energy of like that quote as the
Speaker 1: energy of like very much.
Speaker 8: It'll be like Steve Jobs famously said that a microwave
Speaker 8: should only have two. It's really all about getting down
Speaker 8: to what's important. And that's why I've laid off seventy
Speaker 8: percent of the people who I employed. And it's really
Speaker 8: all about being powerful, Yeah, down to the essentials. I
Speaker 8: really think this dude didn't say it, but there is
Speaker 8: maybe he did. Maybe he did. I just can't find
Speaker 8: the source of it. Like I see it on Twitter,
Speaker 8: I've seen it on LinkedIn. I've gone back as far
Speaker 8: as I can maybe I could do more research. I
Speaker 8: don't know. But whoever came up with this I think
Speaker 8: actually is correct. I think they're actually right. And so
Speaker 8: what I did, and just just as an experiment, like
Speaker 8: I tried looking around to see, okay, is there a
Speaker 8: microwave that only has a thirty second like a thirty
Speaker 8: plus thirty seconds stop and start? Yeah, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean? Those three I think, yeah, those are those?
Speaker 3: Are it?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 8: I tried it. I tried making my own Steve Jobs microwave.
Speaker 3: What yeah, yeah, like not. I can't.
Speaker 8: I can't build microwaves like that. I'm not no, no, yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, I three D print in my own microwaves.
Speaker 8: No got a kickstarted going, yeah exactly, maybe maybe after
Speaker 8: this maybe we should started.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: The Steve Jobs microwave, no such things.
Speaker 3: Steve Jobs microwave sounds pretty good.
Speaker 8: But so what I did was I honestly just duct tape.
Speaker 8: I just put tape over everything I don't want. And
Speaker 8: so the number pad blacked out, like all the different
Speaker 8: options blacked out, the logo blacked out. I forgot who
Speaker 8: makes it?
Speaker 3: The lawn.
Speaker 8: I can't even diss the microwave manufacturing more because I
Speaker 8: forgot who made it. It's just my microwave now everything
Speaker 8: every so it's not dug tape is like black tape.
Speaker 8: But I've had it like that for like a year.
Speaker 8: It's great.
Speaker 1: So you blacked out everything. But thirty seconds start and stop.
Speaker 8: That's it. Wow, that's it life changing. You can walk up,
Speaker 8: you can be tired, you can be anebriad, you can
Speaker 8: be a combination of the above. And there's only three
Speaker 8: buttons of press. And it's not stop because it's not running.
Speaker 8: It's not start because there's no time on it. I
Speaker 8: guess I've better push thirty one option? Really, like, do
Speaker 8: you only have one option? And really, really you could
Speaker 8: pull out you could take out the stop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can just open the.
Speaker 8: Door because we could get it down to one button. Frankly,
Speaker 8: there's one big button right there. You could punch it
Speaker 8: just like you're mad.
Speaker 7: Kind of.
Speaker 8: In Yeah, this is perfect.
Speaker 3: It's just a door. Yeah, why I mean is on
Speaker 3: the is the door that way?
Speaker 5: It could be you know a little smaller, Yeah, get
Speaker 5: more space for other things.
Speaker 1: More viewing, Yeah there yeah, yeah, but we need to
Speaker 1: patent this before this episode comes out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to be listening to this.
Speaker 5: That's like true Nirvana, right, yeah, Singularity.
Speaker 3: That was Dexter Thomas from the podcast kill Switch.
Speaker 8: I absolutely want to see all this like email inbox
Speaker 8: or discord or whatever.
Speaker 3: You guy.
Speaker 8: Like like a week later, somebody's like, hey, y'all, I
Speaker 8: got it.
Speaker 3: It's like a working prototype. Stay tuned after the break. Couches. Couches, couches.
Speaker 1: Third on the list for Devin Design Week was couches
Speaker 1: as a reminder. I've been on the market for a
Speaker 1: couch for you know, last four or five years now.
Speaker 7: Was this man sitting.
Speaker 3: I have a couch. I just want to get a
Speaker 3: new one.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: I've been struggling to find something that's both comfortable and affordable. Huh.
Speaker 1: So I had to figure out why is it so
Speaker 1: hard for me to find a couch? So I called
Speaker 1: out Sammy Reese.
Speaker 13: My name is Sammy res I write the Snake Newsletter,
Speaker 13: which is on furniture and design, with mostly a focus
Speaker 13: on vintage furniture pieces. I moved into the apartment i'm
Speaker 13: still in about twelve thirteen years ago, and it wasn't
Speaker 13: a time where it was very easy to get information
Speaker 13: on design if you were just kind of a regular consumer.
Speaker 7: And I knew a little bit about you know, emes
Speaker 7: and so on, but not that much.
Speaker 13: And I was convinced that there was good stuff out
Speaker 13: there because I needed to buy furniture, you know, sofa, couch,
Speaker 13: coffee table, all this stuff from my apartment.
Speaker 1: So he spent some time doing some research, reading some
Speaker 1: design books, and talking to people in the design world,
Speaker 1: and soon he became known by people in the media
Speaker 1: industry as the design Guy. And one thing that Sammy
Speaker 1: has written a lot about is this idea that although
Speaker 1: we as a society have gotten better in terms of
Speaker 1: fashion as a whole, it seems like we're lagging behind
Speaker 1: when it comes to design.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's controversial.
Speaker 13: I think probably I don't want to speak for a
Speaker 13: lot of people, but most people in design would agree
Speaker 13: with that. Some of it, I think is just a
Speaker 13: function of the logistics of you know, furniture and clothing.
Speaker 13: You can only have one couch at a time in
Speaker 13: your house. Couches are more expensive than even a pair
Speaker 13: of you know, wildly expensive designer. But one thing I
Speaker 13: think that's happened with why fashion has sort of gotten
Speaker 13: the head so much of design is that in the
Speaker 13: last kind of fifteen years, what we've seen a lot
Speaker 13: is sort of a vernacular understanding of fashion, either through
Speaker 13: street style or through Instagram photos of people's outfit.
Speaker 5: Here are three things that you will find in my
Speaker 5: closet this fall in winter, let's.
Speaker 3: Make the best lava that you've seen all fall.
Speaker 13: So far, or through you know, photos of people on
Speaker 13: the runway, as opposed to let's say twenty years ago
Speaker 13: when there wasn't really any vernacular regular people dressing and
Speaker 13: then so that becoming more popular as well as the
Speaker 13: rise of vintage, and the rise of vintage effectively is
Speaker 13: all the clothing ever made is now available as opposed
Speaker 13: to just what is popular this season or what's being
Speaker 13: sold this season. Has just kind of created a massive marketplace,
Speaker 13: i think for clothing and has allowed just people to
Speaker 13: dress better, which is a long long way of saying
Speaker 13: that there really isn't anything like that. For design, it's
Speaker 13: very difficult to see different examples of people's homes that
Speaker 13: are outfitted in you know, really either point of vieways
Speaker 13: or beautiful ways or impressive ways. For the most part,
Speaker 13: what we see are professionally interior designed.
Speaker 3: Homes Hey day.
Speaker 13: It's kindall general, welcome to my house, come on in,
Speaker 13: And those are going to be designed a little differently
Speaker 13: than someone who you know, goes to the flea market,
Speaker 13: you know, every week, or has been.
Speaker 7: Gifted a couch.
Speaker 13: And then some of it too is I think, you
Speaker 13: know again, fron Chow is more expensive.
Speaker 4: The comparison to the popularity of like vintage clothing makes
Speaker 4: a lot of sense, because you don't really go to
Speaker 4: someone's apartment and see that they have a couch that's
Speaker 4: like from a different era, like on purpose, like they
Speaker 4: didn't seek out some old era couch. I guess some like.
Speaker 1: Right, ye, but it's not to your point, it's not
Speaker 1: as common as like everyone has some sort of you know,
Speaker 1: rift store vintage peer of something at this point.
Speaker 4: And then if it's a couch from all the way back,
Speaker 4: then it probably is, you know, the integrity of it
Speaker 4: is like way less quality, like if it's actually from.
Speaker 1: Back the I think you're going to learn something. I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna learn some things. Many good thing you're on.
Speaker 1: Good thing you're on. No such thing. Yeah, now, I
Speaker 1: think there's just fewer. I agree with him completely. I
Speaker 1: think there's fewer examples of like, you know, if someone
Speaker 1: has like a really nice house, we've all seen it
Speaker 1: and talked about it at lant. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: we are all sharing the same five references over and
Speaker 1: over again. Yeah, all right, So getting back to couches,
Speaker 1: I wanted to know why do modern day couches suck.
Speaker 13: The main explanation for this from you know, working on this,
Speaker 13: looking at this stuff talking to people in the industry
Speaker 13: is that material costs and labor costs are so much
Speaker 13: higher now than they were in the nineteen sixties, when
Speaker 13: maybe that was the last gasp of original American furniture
Speaker 13: that was designed really with a point of view, but
Speaker 13: it was also aimed towards you know, working people, young families,
Speaker 13: which is another way of saying it was very affordable.
Speaker 13: And since then, if you were to make a sofa
Speaker 13: that was similar to I know, let's say the Eames
Speaker 13: Executive sofa, it's a nice, almost simple, you know, leather sofa, metal,
Speaker 13: you know, chrome legs, nothing really crazy. We've all seen
Speaker 13: it like one hundred times. And if you were to
Speaker 13: make something like that new, it sells. It's got a
Speaker 13: sofa like I'm fifteen k now, but it's that's an emes.
Speaker 13: There's no way to get that cost down to something reasonable,
Speaker 13: or that's what they say anyways. And the other kind
Speaker 13: of more almost even granular explanations is that, well, you know,
Speaker 13: the wood has to be shipped in from China, and
Speaker 13: the timber is more expensive now and they're using lousier
Speaker 13: pieces of timber compared to the wood that they were
Speaker 13: using sixty years ago, which is why it's almost counterintuitive.
Speaker 13: But you know, you buy an eight thousand dollars sofa
Speaker 13: in twenty twelve and it's not going to last, and
Speaker 13: this five hundred dollars sofa that your grandparents bought in
Speaker 13: the fifties.
Speaker 7: Is a show room piece.
Speaker 3: Still there you go, man, have any apologies to me?
Speaker 4: I meant more, if you're getting a couch that was
Speaker 4: made in the eighties, it's been used so much that.
Speaker 1: No, that's what that that's Yeah, I hear exactly what
Speaker 1: you're saying, and I disagree.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think it holds up that.
Speaker 5: If you put the twenty twelve couch in nineteen eighty,
Speaker 5: it'd be dull party. Yes, we can at least have
Speaker 5: a conversation about the eighties couch.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask him, you know, Sammy's an
Speaker 1: expert on design, what should someone like me do who's
Speaker 1: out on the market for a couch would be saying
Speaker 1: these new couches suck. What What would your guidance to
Speaker 1: be for someone who like me who's looking to get
Speaker 1: a new couch. Do we just got to buy advantage?
Speaker 1: Is that the workaround?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 13: I mean so selfishly because of my newsletter, which just
Speaker 13: guides people towards, you know, vintage furniture that you can
Speaker 13: buy it like normal accessible price. Either that means you know,
Speaker 13: soelfa that sells for you know, four hundred five hundred
Speaker 13: bucks on an auction site. And then the reason why
Speaker 13: it's so cheap is because you have to go through
Speaker 13: the little bit of a headache of setting up the auction,
Speaker 13: getting the shipping towards you. And that's not too difficult.
Speaker 13: I guide people through that. But also even if I
Speaker 13: weren't writing this newsletter, it's effectively that's that's that's what
Speaker 13: I believe is the really it has the best value.
Speaker 13: Vintage has the best value, but also has the most variety.
Speaker 13: You ultimately have to buy a couch for yourself you're
Speaker 13: not buying something that you see, you know, on someone
Speaker 13: else's Instagram or in a magazine or you know, in
Speaker 13: a storefront or something like that. It has to really
Speaker 13: click and you know, speak to you. I guess maybe
Speaker 13: if you're a creative, esthetically minded person, let's say you
Speaker 13: want to kind of feel in your solar plexus or
Speaker 13: you want to have some sort of connection that you
Speaker 13: like when you're rifling through a racket a store or
Speaker 13: on eBay, you see something and you hear the click,
Speaker 13: and you're like, these are the pants for me? And
Speaker 13: there's you know, one hundred pants on the rack, and
Speaker 13: they're all, if we're being honest with each other, they're
Speaker 13: all pretty much the same.
Speaker 7: But one of them just speaks to you.
Speaker 13: And there is that exists in design and furniture. There's
Speaker 13: so much out there it's it's almost mind boggling.
Speaker 3: So I hear this, it makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: I think of like, all the couches that I see
Speaker 1: that I like the most are some sort of vintage pieces,
Speaker 1: especially like if I go to like you know, like
Speaker 1: furniture shore rooms or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But my one concern, which we kind of talked about
Speaker 1: with the online couches. Is like, you don't get to
Speaker 1: do the sit tests. Yeah, so it might look cool,
Speaker 1: no solve for that yet, But then I get delivered
Speaker 1: to my house. What if it's not What if I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't love it in person?
Speaker 13: Well so there isn't a test, and that is a thing.
Speaker 13: And it's also you can sort of eyeball it a
Speaker 13: little bit. Yeah, yeah, you know, you can email, you
Speaker 13: can email the highles and just be like, hey, is
Speaker 13: this a puffy couch?
Speaker 7: Is you know, like is it comfortable.
Speaker 13: A lot of this is my bias saying like, hey,
Speaker 13: look just buy vintage.
Speaker 7: It's not a big deal, you know. Or it is
Speaker 7: a big deal.
Speaker 13: It's a pain in the butt, but it's not the
Speaker 13: world's biggest deal, especially if you're buying a vintage piece
Speaker 13: that's effectively liquid.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 13: So so if you buy a pair of Levi's on
Speaker 13: eBay and they don't really fit you, but they're old
Speaker 13: Levi's with the you know, biggie, you can sell tomorrow,
Speaker 13: you know.
Speaker 7: And it's the same thing with this furniture.
Speaker 13: If you're willing to sort of take an l and
Speaker 13: get rid of a couch that you hate, for a
Speaker 13: couch that you think is like pretty.
Speaker 7: Cool, there's sort of an endless supply.
Speaker 13: Like if you were to buy one of these live
Speaker 13: octioneer couches and it's passes the eye test that it's
Speaker 13: pretty comfortable, and if you know, in April you decide
Speaker 13: you don't like it, you could sell it all my classifieds.
Speaker 13: You'll get most of some of your money back, and
Speaker 13: then also you'll have the added advantage of you'll have
Speaker 13: leveled up your taste.
Speaker 3: M h.
Speaker 13: And that's the big thing I think is, you know,
Speaker 13: to level up your style, you you go through you know,
Speaker 13: four different style you know, evolutions and variations, and you
Speaker 13: go from this gene to this gene to this shoe
Speaker 13: to this shoe. And the key I think to having
Speaker 13: a bigger, more robust kind of design understanding is people
Speaker 13: doing that.
Speaker 4: It makes sense too. And when thinking about like I,
Speaker 4: you so always think I would never order clothes online
Speaker 4: because I would have to try it first, but I've
Speaker 4: completely gotten used to it and yeah, obviously much different
Speaker 4: than like a giant couch. But what he's saying makes sense.
Speaker 1: It is interesting, like after having talked to him, you know,
Speaker 1: like someone who's so passionate about this stuff and actually,
Speaker 1: you know, does it for a living or whatever? He
Speaker 1: does kind of change your mindset of like, yeah, why
Speaker 1: don't I just like take a risk and like do
Speaker 1: the thing. And I think that like you was saying that,
Speaker 1: like you got to try some shit out to see
Speaker 1: like what works makes so much sense. I think with
Speaker 1: like designed and furniture in our homes, we're just so like,
Speaker 1: all right, I get one shot at this. If it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, I'm stuck with it and I can't change.
Speaker 3: My mind at least five or sixty Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Like until it breaks essentially right, And it's like, no,
Speaker 1: why don't you buy something?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: He was saying like, especially if you do your research
Speaker 1: and stuff ahead of time. If I buy a couch
Speaker 1: that's say fifteen hundred dollars if I don't like it,
Speaker 1: but I've done my research and know it's like a
Speaker 1: couch that's going to hold up like on the market.
Speaker 1: He's like, you can sell it for aenty twelve hundred
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you're going to lose some money
Speaker 1: for it, but you got to sit on the couch
Speaker 1: for six months.
Speaker 5: Or happier when you get your Ultimately it works, and like,
Speaker 5: especially when you're living in New York, like, if you
Speaker 5: don't want to deal with a real shipping thing, I'm
Speaker 5: sure there's people here like, yeah, easier here.
Speaker 3: Probably there's a local furniture place.
Speaker 5: Someone can take it off your hands and deal with
Speaker 5: most the most annoying actually pick it. So it seems like,
Speaker 5: especially someone like you who's been wait, it would probably
Speaker 5: be worth taking the risk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's it for Week two of Devon Design.
Speaker 3: Week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a lot of fun. I will say,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tease it for the newsletter. I did ask Sammy, Okay,
Speaker 1: you got to pick a new couch that you would recommend.
Speaker 3: What is it? You're not gonna find out here? You
Speaker 3: gotta go to that show. You look at it.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna it doesn't even make sense. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say it. Then you gotta have to google it so
Speaker 1: that show you'll see the.
Speaker 3: Couch to semi recommends.
Speaker 1: And this guy's got taste, So uh, I'll tease it.
Speaker 4: Consider yourself teased. I think you've teased them.
Speaker 3: More than I'm feeling teased. So that was Week one
Speaker 3: of Devon Design.
Speaker 1: I guess not Week one, the first annual Devon Design Week.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do number one of these, so email us
Speaker 1: at Many Noah Devin at gmail dot com, or call
Speaker 1: us at the number in our show notes and tell
Speaker 1: us the designs that you hate. Our guest this week
Speaker 1: where Arion Marshall at Wired. I'm going to link to
Speaker 1: her recording. Dexter Thomas from the podcast kill Switch, make
Speaker 1: sure you take a listen to that, and Sammy Reese
Speaker 1: from the Snake Newsletters. We recorded this a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: so I've already spent way too much money on these
Speaker 1: live auction sites, so thank you, Sammy. No such thing
Speaker 1: as a production of Kaleidoscope content. Our executive producers are
Speaker 1: Kay Osborne and Manyesh Hadi Kudur. The show was created
Speaker 1: by Many Fidel, Norah Friedman and me Devin Joseph.
Speaker 3: Our theme in credit song is by Manny.
Speaker 1: Mixing for this episode by Steve Bone.
Speaker 3: All right, y'all, we'll be back next week. We a
Speaker 3: new episode.
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