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Speaker 1: H'm Manny Noah, and this is Devin and this is

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Speaker 1: no such thing the show where we set up our

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Speaker 1: dumb arguments and yours by actually doing the research. On

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Speaker 1: today's episode, why does everything suck?

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Speaker 2: No, there's no no such thing. No touch than no touch,

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Speaker 2: thank no touch, thank no touch thank.

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Speaker 1: All Right, fellas, Welcome to Devin Design Week, which is

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Speaker 1: not a week.

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Speaker 3: It's just one episode of the podcast. It will take

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Speaker 3: you a week. Break it up.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this is gonna be mostly me complaining about things

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Speaker 1: in my life that I hate the design of. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about Tesla door handles, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about Michael Waves, and we're gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: about couches.

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Speaker 3: So let's get right into it.

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Speaker 4: Let's dive in.

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Speaker 1: It's one am. You know, you're at a bar. It's

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Speaker 1: a little too late. You don't want to take the

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Speaker 1: subway home, Pull up the Uber and lift ap. You're

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Speaker 1: comparing prices. You call a car and Uber is a

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Speaker 1: little bit cheaper. And look what you got. I got

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Speaker 1: damn Tesla.

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Speaker 4: Helping the environment.

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Speaker 1: Helping the environment, sure, but why the fuck is it

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Speaker 1: so hard to open the door in the Dan Tesla?

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to open this.

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Speaker 5: I'm poor.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how to open that.

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Speaker 4: I want to see you open the door.

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Speaker 3: You gotta grab it by your thumb.

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Speaker 7: Try it again, try it again.

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Speaker 1: Look, this is politics aside for this conversation. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be neutral on Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: I love that, Okay, I love this.

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Speaker 4: The bumper stickers people get.

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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I got this before you shut the hell up.

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Speaker 3: No, it's where.

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Speaker 4: Do they buy those? Even?

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Speaker 3: It's like, what the hell? Anyway, So he's a genius.

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Speaker 3: This is great. What have you ever done? So?

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Speaker 1: And I will say this, you know, before I talk

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Speaker 1: all this ship about Tesla's I'm not a car guy

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Speaker 1: at all, you know, but people love to be like,

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Speaker 1: what what car like? If you could get your dream car,

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Speaker 1: what would you get? So for a while there, I

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Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, Tesla's look kind of cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be kind of cool to have a Tesla.

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Speaker 1: But then do y'all remember when Tesla started being on

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Speaker 1: like Uber and left, and I would when I would

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Speaker 1: see it, I'm like, oh, cool, it's a Tesla. But

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Speaker 1: then you get inside, I'm like, oh, these are not

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Speaker 1: like the inside of Tesla's are not that nice, like

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Speaker 1: they like you think of other luxury vehicles like Mercedia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, you get.

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Speaker 1: In, it's like comfortable, there's like, you know, cupholder. It's

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Speaker 1: like it just feels like more complete.

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Speaker 1: And I would get in these teslas and outside of

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Speaker 1: the screen showing like the street, I was like, this

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Speaker 1: feels kind of like a budget car, Like it's not comfortable, right,

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Speaker 1: Like it's maybe the ride is a little bit smoother,

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Speaker 1: but obviously the biggest issue is like what are we doing.

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Speaker 3: With the damn door handles? Yeah, to get in is

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Speaker 3: one thing.

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Speaker 1: All right, you're outside, You're like you got to push

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Speaker 1: it in a certain way to like for it to

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Speaker 1: come out, so you could pull it so that you

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Speaker 1: like your finger gets a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit of not much to grass. No, once you even

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Speaker 3: get it out.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Is it a like I always wonder, is it a

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Speaker 4: two hand operation where like you push one side, the

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Speaker 4: other side pops in and then you grab it with

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Speaker 3: But like every why do that? You know, every other door?

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Speaker 1: That's one one thing we don't really complain about with anymore.

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Speaker 3: How to open them. You know.

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Speaker 1: No one was like, yeah, it's like that. One was

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Speaker 1: like it's so hard to open a car door. It's like,

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Speaker 1: we got it. You know, like the handles pretty ergonomic.

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Speaker 1: You know, you kind of do it. It's pretty natural,

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Speaker 4: The weird thing is because like I remember hearing some

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Speaker 4: that the car handle is hidden. It's like flush now. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but but like so many cars do that like in

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Speaker 4: so it doesn't feel like a good excuse.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, getting in is one thing. What's

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Speaker 1: even worse is once you're in the car, I still

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Speaker 1: to this day have not figured it out, and you're

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Speaker 1: trying to get out, you gotta press the button. Every

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Speaker 1: time I do it, I'm putting the window.

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Speaker 4: Or like locking the car.

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Speaker 3: You got to press the button to like get out

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Speaker 1: And I still don't quite understand how to do it

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Speaker 1: because every time I'm doing it, I'm putting the window

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Speaker 1: down a little bit like you're saying it's locking unlocking,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do I just open the door.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've been trained growing up in like the early

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Speaker 4: two thousands, once cars were fine, like the ubiquity of

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Speaker 4: cars were electric in the windows and the door locks.

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Speaker 4: We've been trained to look at a button that shows

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Speaker 4: lock the door. Now, I mean, it does feel like

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Speaker 4: kind of self explanatory, but like that's just what we

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Speaker 4: think where we think we were locking it. So when

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Speaker 4: I see the button in the Tesla, I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: And every time, you know, it's when I get in there,

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Speaker 1: I get kind of doory brain where I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what did I do last time? I don't remember because

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Speaker 1: I'm like whatever I did last time was wrong. Whatever

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Speaker 1: the wrong thing. And it's just like, why, what is

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Speaker 1: the purpose? There must be some sort of purpose to this.

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Speaker 1: There must be a reason that he has redesigned the

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Speaker 1: car door handle, right, They're like, they're not just doing

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Speaker 1: it to fuck with us. Any theories as to why

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Speaker 1: the outside makes sense to something like you're saying it

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Speaker 1: could be flush a little bit more aerodynamic, you know,

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, why are the inside Why on the inside?

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Speaker 3: What is going on on the inside.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine if this was my car, Yeah, imagine

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't understand how to use it.

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Speaker 4: But especially like you were saying at one a m.

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Speaker 4: Yes for me, oftentimes two, three, four am and I

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Speaker 4: cannot put to I'm half asleep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now I'm in the dark trying to figure

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Speaker 4: Old and the driver's like yelling yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like in some some of them they put instructions.

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Speaker 1: You ever see They're.

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Speaker 3: Like, here's how you opened the door.

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Speaker 1: Study this, And I'm like, okay, we as adults can't

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Speaker 3: It's too complicated.

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Speaker 1: That's not something I should have to think about when

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Speaker 1: I'm getting into or out of a car. All right,

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Speaker 1: So that's the first thing. Then I'm gonna get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of so number two on the things that

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Speaker 1: I don't like. Microwaves. All right, I got a new

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Speaker 1: microwave about six months ago. My old microwave was randomly sparking. Oh,

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Speaker 1: so I just got like, okay, this is like a

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Speaker 1: that was the big thing I was concerned about, is

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Speaker 1: just like the sizing of it. So I got this

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Speaker 1: new microwave, and for the most part, it's fine. I'm

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Speaker 1: someone who relies heavily on just add thirty seconds a

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Speaker 1: button for most of this stuff I'm putting in there,

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Speaker 1: and just do add thirty seconds. Yeah, But over the

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Speaker 1: last week or two, I've been trying to be a

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Speaker 1: little bit more prescriptive with the microwave. Right, So, like,

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Speaker 1: for example, I was melting some butter. I was having

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Speaker 1: some butter for this. I was like, okay, there's a

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Speaker 1: soft oh yeah, melt button soft and meltain. So I

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Speaker 1: clicked that. Nothing happens, all right, okay, so that gay.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I clicked that and then hit another.

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Speaker 4: Button like it didn't turn on nothing, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It didn't turn on. So I hit the soft melt

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Speaker 1: then one. Then it's like there's an S two on

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Speaker 1: the on the microwave. What the hell does that mean?

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I just hit start. Nothing happens.

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Speaker 1: So then I'm just like, well, you know, clear it

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it just butter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But then you know they have the popcorn button.

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Speaker 3: There's other things on there. It's like potato button. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: like the frosty steak yehoa yep yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like anytime I try to do anything

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Speaker 1: rate a manual to use this. Why isn't it Like,

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Speaker 1: what's the point of the button If it's not simple? Right,

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Speaker 1: If you have a button, I should be able to

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Speaker 1: press it and then just do the thing.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's like the the Kevin Garnet and uncut jams.

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Speaker 7: What the fuck would you show me something? If I

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Speaker 7: couldn't have it, then what the would you bring it out?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: Know what's your experience been with microwaves? You have a

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Speaker 1: positive microwave experience?

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Speaker 5: I try not to on my Maha stuff, I try

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Speaker 5: to avoid the microwave oh less.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, growing up, my parents always had us cover the

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Speaker 4: things in the markets. Yes, yeah, I guess for health safety.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: No, it's to keep it from splashing all over the place.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, ours was like a health thing. I don't

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Speaker 4: know health of what. It was just like warming it

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Speaker 4: up without exposing it to the other things in there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Wait, okay, what are you covering it with?

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Speaker 3: Like another plate you had? Oh okay, another plate.

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Speaker 4: Or sometimes microwaves come with the yeah, the plastic cover.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, remember we did a microwave cover thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that was more it would heat up well

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Speaker 5: yeah and stop stop.

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Speaker 4: I could be wrong, but I think it was more

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Speaker 4: like we don't want to have it in their raw

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Speaker 4: to the microwaves.

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Speaker 3: We don't want that for a comedy.

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Speaker 1: We don't want the microwaves to do what they're supposed

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Speaker 1: to want all that.

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Speaker 3: Just like halfway use it.

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Speaker 1: We just like a spinning in there, don't be we

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Speaker 1: don't want the microwaves touching it.

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Speaker 3: Gross.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I just feel like, you know, back to

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Speaker 1: you know, the whole reason is Devin Design week. I

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Speaker 1: just feel like, why haven't we designed a more intuitive microwave?

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Speaker 1: See, this is another issue which I did not even

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Week two of Devin Design. Week.

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Speaker 1: Before the break, we were complaining about Tesla door handles

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Speaker 9: Okay, you know time is a constructs Yeah, before the break,

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Speaker 9: and we were complaining about three things got Tesla door handles,

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Speaker 1: So I tracked down some experts to help us get

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Speaker 1: first up, we're gonna tackle my issue with Tesla's annoyingly

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Speaker 6: My name is Arian Marshall, and I'm a staff writer Wired,

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Speaker 6: where I write about transportation and tech.

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Speaker 1: So I really wanted Arion to break down the difference

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Speaker 6: Automakers for many, many years have been showing off these

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Speaker 1: Is that like the thinking behind the redesign is like

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Speaker 1: Is there any functionality that's better outside of like you're saying,

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Speaker 6: This this is a cool one.

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Speaker 3: Look at us.

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Speaker 4: I mean, why can't you have an aerodynamic car handle

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Speaker 1: That's a really good point, mister musk, get on that.

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Speaker 1: So one thing I learned through this process too. Right

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Speaker 1: I was leaving the car, I'm pressing the wrong but

442
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Speaker 1: I'm putting the window.

443
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Speaker 3: Then you're trying to go out too fast.

444
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Speaker 1: Essentially, Yes, you know, I need to press the button,

445
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Speaker 1: give it up, due, Okay, now I can continue. But

446
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: I was pressing the button and thinking, oh shit, this

447
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: is the wrong button. Then I just stop and I'm like,

448
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the private How do I get out?

449
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: And He's like, no, you idiot, that's what's supposed to happen.

450
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Speaker 1: But no one has ever explained that to me. This

451
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Speaker 1: is the first time I'm hearing of it. That's why

452
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Speaker 1: I love this podcast. You learned something new every day.

453
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Speaker 1: All right, So Tesla does this thing that looks cool, right,

454
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Speaker 1: they got these new door handles, they're automakers actually start

455
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Speaker 1: copying them. But despite it looking cool, there are some

456
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Speaker 1: real complaints about this Tussel door handle.

457
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Speaker 3: Outside of me just being petty.

458
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Speaker 6: Bloomberg published this big report that really went deep into

459
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Speaker 6: the issues with these door handles because they're electronic. If

460
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Speaker 6: the twelve volt battery that powers the car, so that's

461
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Speaker 6: not like the big electric vehicle battery, but the littler

462
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Speaker 6: battery that powers other little kind of incidental parts of

463
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Speaker 6: the car, if it dies, you might not be able

464
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Speaker 6: to get in or out of your car, really inconvenient.

465
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Speaker 6: Tesla and other automakers do have mechanical releases, but where

466
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Speaker 6: those mechanical releases are is different in every car. There's

467
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Speaker 6: no kind of standard, and there have been complaints that

468
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Speaker 6: in Tesla vehicles, particularly also in the vehicles from ribbyan

469
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Speaker 6: another electric car maker, they are really hard to find,

470
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Speaker 6: and that's like kind of inconvenient. But in an emergency situation,

471
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Speaker 6: if your car's on fire, if your child is in

472
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Speaker 6: the back of your if you've exited the car and

473
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Speaker 6: you're going to get the car seat and they're locked

474
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Speaker 6: in the car, they can't find a mechanical release, So

475
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Speaker 6: there have been some complaints and now we've seen actually

476
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Speaker 6: there have been at least two lawsuits fired where people

477
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Speaker 6: have alleged that people have died because they've gotten stuck

478
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Speaker 6: in tesla's while the teslas have been on fire and

479
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Speaker 6: the people have been unable to accept the cars because

480
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Speaker 6: they've been unable to find these mechanical releases in time

481
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Speaker 6: to escape. So scary bad stuff, like something that looks

482
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Speaker 6: cool but maybe has a serious downside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, because these handles are electric, if something happens

484
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Speaker 1: to your car battery, if there's a fire, you have

485
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Speaker 1: to use a mechanical release to open the door. And

486
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Speaker 1: I was just poking around, like the mechanical cool releases

487
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Speaker 1: are not like sometimes near the door, the sometimes under.

488
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Speaker 3: Seats and stuff.

489
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Speaker 1: So it's not in a place that you would naturally

490
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Speaker 1: think to look like, Okay, this door handle isn't working

491
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Speaker 1: all right, right next to it, I press this button

492
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Speaker 1: and then it will do the same thing. It's like

493
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Speaker 1: you kind of need to know before you get into

494
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Speaker 1: that situation what to do. And I imagine most people,

495
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Speaker 1: you know, you're not researching where are a mechanical release

496
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Speaker 1: is in educating everyone who's going to be in your

497
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Speaker 1: car or.

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Speaker 4: Do we know where the Tesla mechanical release.

499
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Speaker 1: It's different for each car. There isn't like a standard

500
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Speaker 1: for every single test. Last it's in this spot.

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Speaker 4: Wow mm hmm, yep. I remember reading about this like

502
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Speaker 4: a year ago. There was like some horrific crash.

503
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Speaker 10: The family of one of the victims of last year's

504
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Speaker 10: deadly cyber truck crash in Piedmont is now suing Tesla.

505
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Speaker 10: Three college students died in the crash. A lawsuit filed

506
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Speaker 10: by the family of Christazukahara claims she suffered only minor

507
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Speaker 10: injuries in the crash, but couldn't get out of the

508
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Speaker 10: car or be rescued after the vehicle's main battery caught fire.

509
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Speaker 10: They say she died from either the flames or from

510
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Speaker 10: smoke inhalation. The family blames the cyber truck's door design.

511
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Speaker 10: A statement from the family reads, quote, her death was preventable.

512
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Speaker 10: We are filing this lawsuit not just for accountability, but

513
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Speaker 10: because there are other families out there who may never

514
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Speaker 10: know the risks until it's too late.

515
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Speaker 1: But it does seem like some changes are coming to

516
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Speaker 1: the Tesla door handles.

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Speaker 6: Earlier this year, the Chinese regulator that that looks over

518
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Speaker 6: like technology in the country put out a memo that

519
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Speaker 6: they were going to be finally regulating these door handles.

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Speaker 6: So it seems like it will require Tesla to redesign

521
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Speaker 6: make the mechanical release kind of next to or like

522
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Speaker 6: right with the electronic door handles, so if, for example,

523
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Speaker 6: the battery dies, you can still use the door handle

524
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Speaker 6: really easily. Tesla has now said that they're redesigning their

525
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Speaker 6: door handles. They came out and said this in September,

526
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Speaker 6: and they're head of design went on TV and said, hey,

527
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Speaker 6: we want to make this more intuitive to use.

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Speaker 11: Have you considered a redesign or a fix for these issues.

529
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Speaker 11: We actually have a mechanical release that's you know, basically

530
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Speaker 11: right at the electronic one two, and we're combining the

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Speaker 11: two so you know, in the moments that you're in

532
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Speaker 11: a panic situation, the muscle memory to go to you know,

533
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Speaker 11: what you know is right there, so you just pull

534
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Speaker 11: a little bit further on the lever and you have

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Speaker 11: the mechanical release.

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Speaker 3: So that's something that we're working on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the reason why China is doing it is

538
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Speaker 6: because they had a highly publicized incident where a Chinese

539
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Speaker 6: automaker with these door handles, someone was driving in one

540
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Speaker 6: of these cars. They got into a crash and it

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Speaker 6: seems that, uh, the person got trapped in the car

542
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Speaker 6: and died while it was on fire. And there's kind

543
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Speaker 6: of an interesting dynamic here because I think a lot

544
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Speaker 6: of people still have the idea that like things are

545
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Speaker 6: underregulated in China. It's the wild West in terms of products,

546
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Speaker 6: like they're doing whatever, they're putting out whatever. But actually

547
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Speaker 6: China has been really at the fore run of auto

548
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Speaker 6: regulations specifically, so we're now getting to this place where

549
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Speaker 6: like the rest of the world might be taking cues

550
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Speaker 6: from what China is doing.

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Speaker 3: And you said there was some news that broke today

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Speaker 3: on this what was that news.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So the news this morning is that the NITSA,

554
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Speaker 6: the US regulator, put out a letter that said that

555
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Speaker 6: they have gotten even more complaints from consumers about this

556
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Speaker 6: door handle issues since they first announced their probe a

557
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 6: few weeks ago, so they're basically like expanding the probe.

558
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Speaker 6: And then the other news that came out today is

559
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Speaker 6: that there is a the family of a Wisconsin couple

560
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Speaker 6: who died last year after their Tesla caught fire. Are

561
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Speaker 6: actually suing Tesla because they say that they were unable

562
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Speaker 6: to There were actually five people in that car, and

563
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Speaker 6: they say they were unable to escape because the door

564
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Speaker 6: handles got stuck or didn't work.

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Speaker 12: The lawsuit claims Tesla's door design trap the couple inside

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Speaker 12: the burning car. The family is seeking to hold Tesla

567
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Speaker 12: accountable for allegedly designing vehicles that make survivaal crashes fatal.

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Speaker 3: That's horrible. It's like, looks cool, but yeah, you can

569
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Speaker 3: get trapped in it. You know, if your car's on fire.

570
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Speaker 3: Maybe not worth the cool design to ye.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And there's a I think there's a a sort

572
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Speaker 6: of interesting balance and I'm sure you see this not

573
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Speaker 6: only in cars, but like the entire tech world, where

574
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Speaker 6: it's like, we can do this with engineering. Is it

575
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Speaker 6: worth it? Is it better than the stuff we have

576
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Speaker 6: right now? Like, it looks cool, it's fun, but does

577
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 6: it like does does the wheel Like should we just

578
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 6: stick with the wheel? Do we need to reinvent the wheel?

579
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Speaker 3: Maybe we should just stick with the wheel that was working.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like with the car innovations, it made

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Speaker 4: sense when windows stopped being like the roll up thing

583
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Speaker 4: switched to the button because I don't know, it's like easier,

584
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: it's like us easier. But but for the door, it's

585
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Speaker 4: like it hadn't solved the problem. Like it's electric, but

586
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Speaker 4: we're still pushing it with our you know, with physical force.

587
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Speaker 3: But it looks cool. Couch for something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Next on things I hate for Devin design a week,

589
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Speaker 1: we have microwaves, So we're actually gonna call up a

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Speaker 1: fellow member of the Kaleidoscope family and three times Emmy

591
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Speaker 1: Award winning journalists and hosts of the hit podcast Kill

592
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Speaker 1: Switch Extra, Thomas.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Dexter, thank you for joining us. I'm very

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Speaker 3: happy to be here.

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Speaker 8: What's going on here?

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Speaker 1: You know, we just got done talking about Tesla door handles,

597
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Speaker 1: and now we're on to number two on my list

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Speaker 1: of things I don't like, which are microwaves. Yes, we've

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Speaker 1: all talked about our own microwave journeys, but I'm curious

600
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Speaker 1: to hear about your own microwave journey.

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Speaker 8: So I hate my microwave. There's like two branching thoughts here,

602
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 8: like I really hate my microwave. I bought it, I

603
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 8: want to say I bought on an eBay or something

604
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 8: like that, and there's so many buttons on it like

605
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Speaker 8: that you can't really tell what's going on at a glance.

606
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Speaker 8: Like I think any kind of good design, you should

607
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Speaker 8: be able to understand what's going on immediately. Here's what

608
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Speaker 8: you got to do with it, you know what I mean.

609
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Speaker 8: And it's like the start button is exactly the same

610
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Speaker 8: size as the zero button, and it's also close to it,

611
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Speaker 8: and there's all these different mode buttons, and so you

612
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Speaker 8: walk to it, and you know you're tired or you're

613
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 8: you know, inebriated. You're tired and inebriated, and you don't

614
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Speaker 8: know what to do with the microwave, and like you

615
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Speaker 8: should be able to. It's a microwave. It's meant to

616
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Speaker 8: make your life simple. So why am I having difficulty

617
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Speaker 8: when I want to warm up some soup? So I've

618
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Speaker 8: been thinking about that a lot. And then at the

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Speaker 8: same time, have y'all heard of the Steve Jobs microwave?

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Speaker 4: No, every once in a while, a revolutionary product comes

621
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Speaker 4: along that changes everything.

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Speaker 8: The Steve Jobs microwave is Steve Jobs famously said we're

623
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Speaker 8: gonna get to this, but famously said that any microwave

624
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Speaker 8: should only have I think, like two buttons, which is

625
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Speaker 8: the plus thirty second button and the start button, and

626
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Speaker 8: that's it. And I saw that online somewhere and I said,

627
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 8: you know what, this actually makes a lot of sense.

628
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 8: And then I got curious and I started looking it up.

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Speaker 8: I don't think this dude said that.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, got a classic Mark Twain situation.

631
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Speaker 3: Exactly. Yes.

632
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Speaker 8: Yes, So I've been spending way too long on this,

633
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 8: like way too long on this, and like the best

634
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Speaker 8: that I can find is a bunch of people posting

635
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Speaker 8: this on LinkedIn.

636
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Speaker 3: Oh it's a classic LinkedIn post.

637
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Speaker 8: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: This has the energy of like that quote as the

639
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Speaker 1: energy of like very much.

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Speaker 8: It'll be like Steve Jobs famously said that a microwave

641
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 8: should only have two. It's really all about getting down

642
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Speaker 8: to what's important. And that's why I've laid off seventy

643
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Speaker 8: percent of the people who I employed. And it's really

644
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 8: all about being powerful, Yeah, down to the essentials. I

645
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 8: really think this dude didn't say it, but there is

646
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Speaker 8: maybe he did. Maybe he did. I just can't find

647
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Speaker 8: the source of it. Like I see it on Twitter,

648
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Speaker 8: I've seen it on LinkedIn. I've gone back as far

649
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Speaker 8: as I can maybe I could do more research. I

650
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Speaker 8: don't know. But whoever came up with this I think

651
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Speaker 8: actually is correct. I think they're actually right. And so

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Speaker 8: what I did, and just just as an experiment, like

653
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Speaker 8: I tried looking around to see, okay, is there a

654
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Speaker 8: microwave that only has a thirty second like a thirty

655
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Speaker 8: plus thirty seconds stop and start? Yeah, you know what

656
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Speaker 8: I mean? Those three I think, yeah, those are those?

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Speaker 3: Are it?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 8: I tried it. I tried making my own Steve Jobs microwave.

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Speaker 3: What yeah, yeah, like not. I can't.

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Speaker 8: I can't build microwaves like that. I'm not no, no, yeah,

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Speaker 8: you know, I three D print in my own microwaves.

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Speaker 8: No got a kickstarted going, yeah exactly, maybe maybe after

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Speaker 8: this maybe we should started.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: The Steve Jobs microwave, no such things.

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Speaker 3: Steve Jobs microwave sounds pretty good.

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Speaker 8: But so what I did was I honestly just duct tape.

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Speaker 8: I just put tape over everything I don't want. And

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Speaker 8: so the number pad blacked out, like all the different

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Speaker 8: options blacked out, the logo blacked out. I forgot who

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Speaker 8: makes it?

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Speaker 3: The lawn.

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Speaker 8: I can't even diss the microwave manufacturing more because I

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Speaker 8: forgot who made it. It's just my microwave now everything

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Speaker 8: every so it's not dug tape is like black tape.

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Speaker 8: But I've had it like that for like a year.

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Speaker 8: It's great.

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Speaker 1: So you blacked out everything. But thirty seconds start and stop.

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Speaker 8: That's it. Wow, that's it life changing. You can walk up,

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Speaker 8: you can be tired, you can be anebriad, you can

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Speaker 8: be a combination of the above. And there's only three

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Speaker 8: buttons of press. And it's not stop because it's not running.

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Speaker 8: It's not start because there's no time on it. I

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Speaker 8: guess I've better push thirty one option? Really, like, do

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Speaker 8: you only have one option? And really, really you could

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Speaker 8: pull out you could take out the stop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can just open the.

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Speaker 8: Door because we could get it down to one button. Frankly,

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Speaker 8: there's one big button right there. You could punch it

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Speaker 8: just like you're mad.

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Speaker 7: Kind of.

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Speaker 8: In Yeah, this is perfect.

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Speaker 3: It's just a door. Yeah, why I mean is on

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Speaker 3: the is the door that way?

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Speaker 5: It could be you know a little smaller, Yeah, get

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Speaker 5: more space for other things.

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Speaker 1: More viewing, Yeah there yeah, yeah, but we need to

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Speaker 1: patent this before this episode comes out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to be listening to this.

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Speaker 5: That's like true Nirvana, right, yeah, Singularity.

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Speaker 3: That was Dexter Thomas from the podcast kill Switch.

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Speaker 8: I absolutely want to see all this like email inbox

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Speaker 8: or discord or whatever.

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Speaker 3: You guy.

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Speaker 8: Like like a week later, somebody's like, hey, y'all, I

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Speaker 8: got it.

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Speaker 3: It's like a working prototype. Stay tuned after the break. Couches. Couches, couches.

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Speaker 1: Third on the list for Devin Design Week was couches

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Speaker 1: as a reminder. I've been on the market for a

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Speaker 1: couch for you know, last four or five years now.

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Speaker 7: Was this man sitting.

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Speaker 3: I have a couch. I just want to get a

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Speaker 3: new one.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: I've been struggling to find something that's both comfortable and affordable. Huh.

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Speaker 1: So I had to figure out why is it so

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Speaker 1: hard for me to find a couch? So I called

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Speaker 1: out Sammy Reese.

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Speaker 13: My name is Sammy res I write the Snake Newsletter,

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Speaker 13: which is on furniture and design, with mostly a focus

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Speaker 13: on vintage furniture pieces. I moved into the apartment i'm

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Speaker 13: still in about twelve thirteen years ago, and it wasn't

727
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Speaker 13: a time where it was very easy to get information

728
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Speaker 13: on design if you were just kind of a regular consumer.

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Speaker 7: And I knew a little bit about you know, emes

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Speaker 7: and so on, but not that much.

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Speaker 13: And I was convinced that there was good stuff out

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Speaker 13: there because I needed to buy furniture, you know, sofa, couch,

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Speaker 13: coffee table, all this stuff from my apartment.

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Speaker 1: So he spent some time doing some research, reading some

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Speaker 1: design books, and talking to people in the design world,

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Speaker 1: and soon he became known by people in the media

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Speaker 1: industry as the design Guy. And one thing that Sammy

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Speaker 1: has written a lot about is this idea that although

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Speaker 1: we as a society have gotten better in terms of

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Speaker 1: fashion as a whole, it seems like we're lagging behind

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Speaker 1: when it comes to design.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that's controversial.

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Speaker 13: I think probably I don't want to speak for a

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Speaker 13: lot of people, but most people in design would agree

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Speaker 13: with that. Some of it, I think is just a

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Speaker 13: function of the logistics of you know, furniture and clothing.

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Speaker 13: You can only have one couch at a time in

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Speaker 13: your house. Couches are more expensive than even a pair

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Speaker 13: of you know, wildly expensive designer. But one thing I

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Speaker 13: think that's happened with why fashion has sort of gotten

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Speaker 13: the head so much of design is that in the

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Speaker 13: last kind of fifteen years, what we've seen a lot

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Speaker 13: is sort of a vernacular understanding of fashion, either through

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Speaker 13: street style or through Instagram photos of people's outfit.

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Speaker 5: Here are three things that you will find in my

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Speaker 5: closet this fall in winter, let's.

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Speaker 3: Make the best lava that you've seen all fall.

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Speaker 13: So far, or through you know, photos of people on

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Speaker 13: the runway, as opposed to let's say twenty years ago

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Speaker 13: when there wasn't really any vernacular regular people dressing and

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Speaker 13: then so that becoming more popular as well as the

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Speaker 13: rise of vintage, and the rise of vintage effectively is

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Speaker 13: all the clothing ever made is now available as opposed

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Speaker 13: to just what is popular this season or what's being

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Speaker 13: sold this season. Has just kind of created a massive marketplace,

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Speaker 13: i think for clothing and has allowed just people to

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Speaker 13: dress better, which is a long long way of saying

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Speaker 13: that there really isn't anything like that. For design, it's

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Speaker 13: very difficult to see different examples of people's homes that

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Speaker 13: are outfitted in you know, really either point of vieways

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Speaker 13: or beautiful ways or impressive ways. For the most part,

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Speaker 13: what we see are professionally interior designed.

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Speaker 3: Homes Hey day.

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Speaker 13: It's kindall general, welcome to my house, come on in,

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Speaker 13: And those are going to be designed a little differently

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Speaker 13: than someone who you know, goes to the flea market,

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Speaker 13: you know, every week, or has been.

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Speaker 7: Gifted a couch.

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Speaker 13: And then some of it too is I think, you

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Speaker 13: know again, fron Chow is more expensive.

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Speaker 4: The comparison to the popularity of like vintage clothing makes

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Speaker 4: a lot of sense, because you don't really go to

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Speaker 4: someone's apartment and see that they have a couch that's

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Speaker 4: like from a different era, like on purpose, like they

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Speaker 4: didn't seek out some old era couch. I guess some like.

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Speaker 1: Right, ye, but it's not to your point, it's not

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Speaker 1: as common as like everyone has some sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: rift store vintage peer of something at this point.

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Speaker 4: And then if it's a couch from all the way back,

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Speaker 4: then it probably is, you know, the integrity of it

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Speaker 4: is like way less quality, like if it's actually from.

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Speaker 1: Back the I think you're going to learn something. I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna learn some things. Many good thing you're on.

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Speaker 1: Good thing you're on. No such thing. Yeah, now, I

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Speaker 1: think there's just fewer. I agree with him completely. I

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Speaker 1: think there's fewer examples of like, you know, if someone

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Speaker 1: has like a really nice house, we've all seen it

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Speaker 1: and talked about it at lant. You know, it's like

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Speaker 1: we are all sharing the same five references over and

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Speaker 1: over again. Yeah, all right, So getting back to couches,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to know why do modern day couches suck.

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Speaker 13: The main explanation for this from you know, working on this,

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Speaker 13: looking at this stuff talking to people in the industry

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Speaker 13: is that material costs and labor costs are so much

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Speaker 13: higher now than they were in the nineteen sixties, when

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Speaker 13: maybe that was the last gasp of original American furniture

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Speaker 13: that was designed really with a point of view, but

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Speaker 13: it was also aimed towards you know, working people, young families,

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Speaker 13: which is another way of saying it was very affordable.

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Speaker 13: And since then, if you were to make a sofa

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Speaker 13: that was similar to I know, let's say the Eames

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Speaker 13: Executive sofa, it's a nice, almost simple, you know, leather sofa, metal,

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Speaker 13: you know, chrome legs, nothing really crazy. We've all seen

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Speaker 13: it like one hundred times. And if you were to

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Speaker 13: make something like that new, it sells. It's got a

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Speaker 13: sofa like I'm fifteen k now, but it's that's an emes.

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Speaker 13: There's no way to get that cost down to something reasonable,

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Speaker 13: or that's what they say anyways. And the other kind

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Speaker 13: of more almost even granular explanations is that, well, you know,

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Speaker 13: the wood has to be shipped in from China, and

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Speaker 13: the timber is more expensive now and they're using lousier

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Speaker 13: pieces of timber compared to the wood that they were

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Speaker 13: using sixty years ago, which is why it's almost counterintuitive.

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Speaker 13: But you know, you buy an eight thousand dollars sofa

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Speaker 13: in twenty twelve and it's not going to last, and

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Speaker 13: this five hundred dollars sofa that your grandparents bought in

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Speaker 13: the fifties.

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Speaker 7: Is a show room piece.

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Speaker 3: Still there you go, man, have any apologies to me?

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Speaker 4: I meant more, if you're getting a couch that was

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Speaker 4: made in the eighties, it's been used so much that.

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Speaker 1: No, that's what that that's Yeah, I hear exactly what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, and I disagree.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think it holds up that.

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Speaker 5: If you put the twenty twelve couch in nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 5: it'd be dull party. Yes, we can at least have

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Speaker 5: a conversation about the eighties couch.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask him, you know, Sammy's an

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Speaker 1: expert on design, what should someone like me do who's

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Speaker 1: out on the market for a couch would be saying

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Speaker 1: these new couches suck. What What would your guidance to

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Speaker 1: be for someone who like me who's looking to get

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Speaker 1: a new couch. Do we just got to buy advantage?

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Speaker 1: Is that the workaround?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: I mean so selfishly because of my newsletter, which just

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Speaker 13: guides people towards, you know, vintage furniture that you can

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Speaker 13: buy it like normal accessible price. Either that means you know,

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Speaker 13: soelfa that sells for you know, four hundred five hundred

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Speaker 13: bucks on an auction site. And then the reason why

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Speaker 13: it's so cheap is because you have to go through

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Speaker 13: the little bit of a headache of setting up the auction,

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Speaker 13: getting the shipping towards you. And that's not too difficult.

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00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 13: I guide people through that. But also even if I

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Speaker 13: weren't writing this newsletter, it's effectively that's that's that's what

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Speaker 13: I believe is the really it has the best value.

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Speaker 13: Vintage has the best value, but also has the most variety.

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Speaker 13: You ultimately have to buy a couch for yourself you're

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Speaker 13: not buying something that you see, you know, on someone

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Speaker 13: else's Instagram or in a magazine or you know, in

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Speaker 13: a storefront or something like that. It has to really

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00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 13: click and you know, speak to you. I guess maybe

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Speaker 13: if you're a creative, esthetically minded person, let's say you

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Speaker 13: want to kind of feel in your solar plexus or

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Speaker 13: you want to have some sort of connection that you

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Speaker 13: like when you're rifling through a racket a store or

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Speaker 13: on eBay, you see something and you hear the click,

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Speaker 13: and you're like, these are the pants for me? And

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Speaker 13: there's you know, one hundred pants on the rack, and

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Speaker 13: they're all, if we're being honest with each other, they're

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Speaker 13: all pretty much the same.

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Speaker 7: But one of them just speaks to you.

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Speaker 13: And there is that exists in design and furniture. There's

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Speaker 13: so much out there it's it's almost mind boggling.

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Speaker 3: So I hear this, it makes sense to me.

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Speaker 1: I think of like, all the couches that I see

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Speaker 1: that I like the most are some sort of vintage pieces,

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Speaker 1: especially like if I go to like you know, like

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Speaker 1: furniture shore rooms or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But my one concern, which we kind of talked about

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Speaker 1: with the online couches. Is like, you don't get to

883
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Speaker 1: do the sit tests. Yeah, so it might look cool,

884
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: no solve for that yet, But then I get delivered

885
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Speaker 1: to my house. What if it's not What if I

886
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Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't love it in person?

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Speaker 13: Well so there isn't a test, and that is a thing.

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Speaker 13: And it's also you can sort of eyeball it a

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Speaker 13: little bit. Yeah, yeah, you know, you can email, you

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Speaker 13: can email the highles and just be like, hey, is

891
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Speaker 13: this a puffy couch?

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Speaker 7: Is you know, like is it comfortable.

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Speaker 13: A lot of this is my bias saying like, hey,

894
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Speaker 13: look just buy vintage.

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Speaker 7: It's not a big deal, you know. Or it is

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Speaker 7: a big deal.

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Speaker 13: It's a pain in the butt, but it's not the

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Speaker 13: world's biggest deal, especially if you're buying a vintage piece

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Speaker 13: that's effectively liquid.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 13: So so if you buy a pair of Levi's on

902
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Speaker 13: eBay and they don't really fit you, but they're old

903
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Speaker 13: Levi's with the you know, biggie, you can sell tomorrow,

904
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Speaker 13: you know.

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Speaker 7: And it's the same thing with this furniture.

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Speaker 13: If you're willing to sort of take an l and

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Speaker 13: get rid of a couch that you hate, for a

908
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Speaker 13: couch that you think is like pretty.

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Speaker 7: Cool, there's sort of an endless supply.

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Speaker 13: Like if you were to buy one of these live

911
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 13: octioneer couches and it's passes the eye test that it's

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Speaker 13: pretty comfortable, and if you know, in April you decide

913
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Speaker 13: you don't like it, you could sell it all my classifieds.

914
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Speaker 13: You'll get most of some of your money back, and

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Speaker 13: then also you'll have the added advantage of you'll have

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Speaker 13: leveled up your taste.

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Speaker 3: M h.

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Speaker 13: And that's the big thing I think is, you know,

919
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Speaker 13: to level up your style, you you go through you know,

920
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Speaker 13: four different style you know, evolutions and variations, and you

921
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Speaker 13: go from this gene to this gene to this shoe

922
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Speaker 13: to this shoe. And the key I think to having

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Speaker 13: a bigger, more robust kind of design understanding is people

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Speaker 13: doing that.

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Speaker 4: It makes sense too. And when thinking about like I,

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Speaker 4: you so always think I would never order clothes online

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Speaker 4: because I would have to try it first, but I've

928
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Speaker 4: completely gotten used to it and yeah, obviously much different

929
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Speaker 4: than like a giant couch. But what he's saying makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting, like after having talked to him, you know,

931
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Speaker 1: like someone who's so passionate about this stuff and actually,

932
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Speaker 1: you know, does it for a living or whatever? He

933
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Speaker 1: does kind of change your mindset of like, yeah, why

934
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Speaker 1: don't I just like take a risk and like do

935
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Speaker 1: the thing. And I think that like you was saying that,

936
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Speaker 1: like you got to try some shit out to see

937
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Speaker 1: like what works makes so much sense. I think with

938
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Speaker 1: like designed and furniture in our homes, we're just so like,

939
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Speaker 1: all right, I get one shot at this. If it

940
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Speaker 1: doesn't work out, I'm stuck with it and I can't change.

941
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Speaker 3: My mind at least five or sixty Yeah, it's.

942
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Speaker 1: Like until it breaks essentially right, And it's like, no,

943
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Speaker 1: why don't you buy something?

944
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Speaker 3: You know?

945
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Speaker 1: He was saying like, especially if you do your research

946
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Speaker 1: and stuff ahead of time. If I buy a couch

947
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Speaker 1: that's say fifteen hundred dollars if I don't like it,

948
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Speaker 1: but I've done my research and know it's like a

949
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Speaker 1: couch that's going to hold up like on the market.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you can sell it for aenty twelve hundred

951
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you're going to lose some money

952
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: for it, but you got to sit on the couch

953
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Speaker 1: for six months.

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Speaker 5: Or happier when you get your Ultimately it works, and like,

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Speaker 5: especially when you're living in New York, like, if you

956
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Speaker 5: don't want to deal with a real shipping thing, I'm

957
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Speaker 5: sure there's people here like, yeah, easier here.

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Speaker 3: Probably there's a local furniture place.

959
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Speaker 5: Someone can take it off your hands and deal with

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Speaker 5: most the most annoying actually pick it. So it seems like,

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Speaker 5: especially someone like you who's been wait, it would probably

962
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Speaker 5: be worth taking the risk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's it for Week two of Devon Design.

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Speaker 3: Week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a lot of fun. I will say,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tease it for the newsletter. I did ask Sammy, Okay,

967
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Speaker 1: you got to pick a new couch that you would recommend.

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Speaker 3: What is it? You're not gonna find out here? You

969
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: gotta go to that show. You look at it.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna it doesn't even make sense. I'm gonna

971
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Speaker 1: say it. Then you gotta have to google it so

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Speaker 1: that show you'll see the.

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Speaker 3: Couch to semi recommends.

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Speaker 1: And this guy's got taste, So uh, I'll tease it.

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Speaker 4: Consider yourself teased. I think you've teased them.

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Speaker 3: More than I'm feeling teased. So that was Week one

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Speaker 3: of Devon Design.

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Speaker 1: I guess not Week one, the first annual Devon Design Week.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do number one of these, so email us

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00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: at Many Noah Devin at gmail dot com, or call

981
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Speaker 1: us at the number in our show notes and tell

982
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Speaker 1: us the designs that you hate. Our guest this week

983
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Speaker 1: where Arion Marshall at Wired. I'm going to link to

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Speaker 1: her recording. Dexter Thomas from the podcast kill Switch, make

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Speaker 1: sure you take a listen to that, and Sammy Reese

986
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Speaker 1: from the Snake Newsletters. We recorded this a few weeks ago,

987
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: so I've already spent way too much money on these

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Speaker 1: live auction sites, so thank you, Sammy. No such thing

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Speaker 1: as a production of Kaleidoscope content. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Kay Osborne and Manyesh Hadi Kudur. The show was created

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00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,280
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Speaker 3: Our theme in credit song is by Manny.

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Speaker 1: Mixing for this episode by Steve Bone.

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Speaker 3: All right, y'all, we'll be back next week. We a

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Speaker 3: new episode.

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