WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Bigfoot Works 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.279 M Hey everybody, it's me Josh and for this week's 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.920 s Y s K Selex, I've chosen How Bigfoot Works. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.800 We released it on the very first day of the 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.800 very heady year of two thousand thirteen, and we explore 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:17.280 both sides of the issue, the very possibility that Bigfoot 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:22.119 might exist. Although here's a spoiler. We conclude it probably doesn't, 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.799 but we don't poo poo the whole idea because it 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.600 is possible. So just listen with open ears, open mind, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:37.040 and open heart. Enjoy. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:47.080 a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works, Hey, 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.559 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:53.200 is always a Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and um that 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.800 makes this Stuff you should Know the podcast A right? 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.720 Is that a wookie? That is me Messing with Sasquatched? 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.319 It sounded more like um Frankenstein from Sarah. I remember that. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:12.160 I love that bad Fonto and Tarzan Tarzan classic skit. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.840 Have you seen the commercials Messing with Sasquatch? Yeah, Jack 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.640 Links It's pretty funny. Yeah, all of them are. It's 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.960 one of my favorite spots. Actually, well it contradicts um. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.080 I witness reports that paint Bigfoot is kind of a benign, 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.479 shy creature. Now, as far as Jack Links is concerned, 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.280 he goes a gro when you um, when you mess 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.520 with him, I guess that's where it is. So I 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.000 have an actual intro for this one. All right, let's here, 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.560 we're talking big Foot, and very recently there was some 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:48.000 enormous huge news um and UM. We should probably preface 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.639 this one like, if you are a skeptic, don't worry. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.880 We're gonna give your side of this too. But we 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.600 have found over the years that UM, it's very respectful 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:04.360 to give voice to both sides. We try to and UM, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.240 we're not insulting you by speaking the other person's side. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.040 Will express your side as well, and when we do that, 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.360 we're not insulting the other side. And at the end 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.280 of the day, it's about Bigfoot. So let's not get 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.600 so worked up. Calm down, you know, it's all just fun. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:25.280 There's a a self professed veterinarian with twenty seven years 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:32.880 experience including forensics named um Dr Melba Catchum Melba s 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:37.839 Catchum and she supposedly she claims got her hands on 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:43.360 some uh samples of bigfoot hair and has been testing 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.560 it do running genetic tests on it, and recently announced 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.080 and wrote a paper that's under pure view as it 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:55.000 stands now, UM that she she managed to isolate three 0:02:55.280 --> 0:03:01.799 separate nuclear um d n A. Okay, uh, that that 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:06.760 came from three separate groups. So one is the nuclear DNA. Remember, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.040 so you have um nuclear DNA is the mixture of 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.320 the mothers and the father's DNA. Mitochondrial DNA is strictly 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:18.080 from the mother. So the researcher found that the nuclear 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:23.720 DNA came from a human bigfoot, which is a hybrid 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.520 of the human and this third species, a non human species. 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:31.000 Doesn't know what it is yet, but supposedly that's what 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:37.080 this hair sample showed. Really, then this is just now right, Yeah, 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.880 I believe they made this announcement like in late November, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.280 early December, which is now under it is under peer 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:44.880 of view. That doesn't mean that it's going to pass 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.040 peer of view. She submitted the paper for peer review. Um. Now, 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.560 she said that the the mitochondrial DNA in the sample 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:58.360 was human, which means that this third thing, bigfoot, is 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.280 the product of a female old woman and a this 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:08.200 non human species, the mystery species reproducing informing Bigfoot, and 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.040 she says that she isolated it to about fifteen thousand 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:17.560 years ago. Now, anybody who's followed Dr Ketchum's career can 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.360 poke holes all in this. There was apparently I read 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.279 an early draft of the paper that she said this 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:29.800 third this third um species was an angel. And people 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.919 skeptics love beating up on people like this. But my 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.680 hat is off to her for first of all, undergoing 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.880 this using the scientific method to root out um the 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.200 unexplained that's extremely forty in in nature and I love 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.240 that stuff um. And then secondly to put it up 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.720 for peer of view and to face that that kind 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.880 of criticism. One of the big problems that she she 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.240 isn't saying like where this sample, how she knows this 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.039 is a sample of Bigfoot's DNA. She didn't say where 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.960 she got it, not that not that I could find. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.160 And I actually saw in one article that she's not 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.720 saying where where it came from. So there's a lot 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.000 of holes in it. But if you wanted big current 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.840 Bigfoot news, that's about as big as it gets. That's right, Uh, 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.960 not quite as current as our our own uh law 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.240 officer here in Georgia. Is that last year or the 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.000 year before the one up in the North Georgia. Yeah, 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:26.360 man with with his freezer, I didn't follow that very close. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.360 I'm gonna go ahead and say that I really want 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.080 to believe in Bigfoot, or not want to believe. I 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.240 want to. I want there to be a Bigfoot. I 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.520 don't think there is that means you want to believe 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.520 in Bigfoot, but I still want to. I want to 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.080 believe it's out there because it's just it would be 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.920 so cool. And whenever, when I when I saw that story, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.240 the sheriff and I think he was a sheriff or 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.080 deputy in North Georgia. It was a hoax, of course, 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.560 but he said he had a body in a freezer, 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:58.000 and they showed pictures of this uh uh what you know? 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.720 It was in a guerrilla suit, right, that's what ended 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.040 up being with and it had guts, had like animal entrails, 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.760 but it looked like initially like oh, man, that looks 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.040 like a dead big Foot, and then you look closer 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:10.800 and it's like a suit that you can get online. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.800 I wish I had that kind of time to do 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.520 stuff like that. Yeah, apparently portrayed a hoax. Apparently they 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:21.040 were trying to try drum up potential business for leading 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.279 big foot tours in North Georgia. It's a sound way 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.600 to do it until you get found out and then 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:31.800 ultimately either retire or get fired. No enforcement officer, things 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.680 could still work. Oh well, okay, he lost his day job, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.679 is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, you can't do stuff 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.000 like that. If you're a cop, you can't pull a hoax. No, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.240 you can't pull a hoax and try and snow people 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.520 for money. It's not it's not legal. I don't know 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.839 that it is illegal to uh to snow people for money, 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.200 to promise them something that's not true and charge This 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.360 guy says that you call it fraud, No, it's a hoax. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.880 There's a big difference between fraud and a hoax. If 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.120 he had the business, it would be fraud. No. That 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.039 would be like if he promised that you're going to 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.680 see bigfoot, not a big foot tour, but he said 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.480 you're gonna see bigfoot on this tour, and so he didn't, 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:14.920 then you could get him for fraud. I think he 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.640 would still be fraud if he founded that business and 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.960 advertise it on a false premise, which is I found 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.120 this thing, look at it. Yeah, I see your point. Yeah, 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.000 he's a jerk. Let's let's talk about Bigfoot. This guy 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.000 up in North George is pretty far from the only 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:35.360 person to pull a declared Bigfoot hoax. Um. What keeps 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.240 this thing going is that there's some stuff out there 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.480 that's considered this body of evidence of Bigfoot's existence that 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:48.080 hasn't been definitively debunked and right. One of them other 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:52.160 things that I think people who are believers in Bigfoot, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.200 like the ones that are out there like looking for 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.120 Bigfoot and believe in Bigfoot. One of the things that 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.960 keeps them going also is this correlation between big Foot 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:05.400 sightings among people of European descent and big Foot legends 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.040 of Native American tribes long before the Europeans ever got here. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.720 And if you, um, if you look at the names 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.120 of that these different tribes have and take a step back, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:16.960 you're like, wow, these tribes were all over the place 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:21.000 there somewhere in the Pacific Northwest, somewhere in Florida, somewhere 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.800 in um the north, northeastern United States, and eastern Canada, 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.720 and all of them have this weird um tall giant 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.600 hairy man legend that they have a name for um 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.600 even though they're you know, geographically scattered all over the place. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.880 And it's possible that they these all of these different 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.520 um legends share a single common ancestor that it's further back, 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.679 maybe located on the steps of Eurasia. But it's also 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:55.040 kind of noteworthy that they all have different legends for it. Uh, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.640 the Himalays, even the Yeti, the acominable snowman in Asia 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.679 very popular. Um. Apparently you hear that one more than 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.679 you see it. Yeah, which I didn't know. But we 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.959 should call this thing sasquatch because that is the most 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.480 common name they use nowadays. And um, even though some 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:18.359 of the names from Native American tribes when Dago, yeah, yeah, 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:23.360 that was Ohma Rugaru and books is some of the 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.439 names that has gone by Native American lord, but sashquatch 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.200 shash squatch comes from I have no idea how to 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:36.880 pronounce that. It looks like sess shock anyway, that that 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.800 word in another word from the area around British Columbia 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.360 were similar enough that in the nineteen twenties, white school 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.960 teacher named J. W. Burns coined the term sasquatch, and 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.800 it's basically it's the umbrella term for any big foot 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:56.720 like man, right, so we should. Even though these sightings 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.640 have varied in their description over the years, they're a 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.000 few marks that pop up. One is that this is 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.560 a tall beast between seven and fifteen feet, which is 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:10.640 that's is enormous. Yeah, I haven't most of the ones 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.880 I've heard of between like seven and eight feet. Have 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.079 you seen the troll Hunter? I saw that recently. Actually, 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.400 that first troll that they watched, the guy zap and 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.000 trying the stone. That thing was about fifteen ft tall. 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.360 That's huge. Yeah. That was a pretty good movie. I 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.880 buy ten ft no way, no way. Yeah. Did you 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.240 like the movie? Hunter was excellent? Yeah? I kind of 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.839 got it, kind of wore on me towards the end. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.199 I thought it was a little long, but it was 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.480 pretty cool. Yeah, and the imagination that it used it 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:43.480 was just beautiful. Totally agreed. Hunter people. Um it walks 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.200 on two legs, that's a big one. Was that bipedal? 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.160 That what they say? Um, it's upright and has a 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:56.640 loping gate. Um, he's seen that elf? Right, the movie Elf? Yeah, 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.320 the one shot where they mimic the uh the famous 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.640 sixteen millimeter film where it's it's Will Ferrell and Central 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.839 Park and they like have that from frame three fifty 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.080 two of the sixteen millimeter film. It's pretty funny. So 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.599 Will Ferrell's doing sess it says like, you know, the 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.000 strange elf was seen wandering through Central Park and they 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:20.760 mimic that. Yeah, yeah, that's very good. Um. And then 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.120 long reddish fur. That's a big one, reddish brown that's 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.920 and that's really interesting that it's um that sasquatch is 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.320 typically described as having long, reddish brown fur. Yeah, that's 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.760 a really specific thing for everybody to report. And again 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.600 it's possible that like people have heard other reports and said, 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.400 you know, that's what they're expecting to see or that's 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.719 what they're reporting because that's what Sasquatch has. But it's 0:11:42.760 --> 0:12:13.360 still it's significant. Um, you said that the YETI uh 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.439 was more heard than seen. Yeah, Bigfoot is usually more 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:21.520 seen than heard. But when Bigfoot is heard, um, the 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:28.160 he makes gurgling noises, howling noises, noises that sound totally 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.600 alien to the people reporting it. Yeah, I've heard weird 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.920 noises in the woods camping all my life, and I've 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.200 never thought, oh, that's a big Foot. I just think 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.319 that's just something some animal making a strange sound that 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.959 I've never heard because you live in the city, that's right. Uh. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.480 Supposedly this uh sasquatch also has sort of a man 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.480 like face, and reports from either being really really really 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.960 smelly to not smelling at all. Oh, yeah, that's not 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.800 in this article. I forgot about how smelly Bigfoot is 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:02.520 supposed to be. Yeah, I supposedly have heard that many times. Um. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.360 They're also supposedly very wary of people, but also at 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:12.360 the same time intensely curious about us. Um and Uh. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.080 A lot of people who have made eyewitness reports say 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:20.000 that they weren't scared, which is weird. Yeah. Most people 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.400 say that, like I didn't feel threatened, right, and that 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:28.160 kind of jibes with UM. Most Native Americans legends about 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:33.439 Bigfoot that it was Um, it's a a benign creature. Uh, 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:38.080 and often it's it has intellect and um, it's given 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.680 spiritual powers in Native American lower So it wasn't something 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:47.320 to be afraid of tasquatches, your friend. Yeah. Uh. They 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.040 usually are by themselves, but there have been reports of 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.920 several of these sasquatches hanging out together and chatting. Yeah, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.720 but for the most part they're usually alone. Right. Um, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.800 So you put all this together and you've got like 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.599 a pretty good common It's like the A. K. C. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:10.800 Breed for sasquatch. These are its characteristics. I love it. Okay. Um, 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.480 if you take this at at face value, which you should, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.080 sure if you're a skeptic, you should always look at 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.680 things at face value, not just immediately dismissed her poop 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.280 po it. Yeah, try to get to the bottom of it. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.760 And that's what we're about to do now. The first 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:31.160 question is, um, could a creature that matches this description 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.600 possibly exist? Yeah, And it's important when considering this to 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.160 point out that we'd have never despite all the sightings 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.440 and little still shots and film clips and audio clips, 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.560 there's never been any conclusive evidence. They've never found bones, 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.200 but that's huge or anything like that. Um, a lot 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.760 of footprints and stuff like that. So moving forward, could 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:58.800 this exist perhaps in the giganto pithecus, right, because that's 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.440 a creature that that actually did exist at some point. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.080 And it says here in the article that the gigant 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:08.400 epithis Epipthecus, which was the largest primate in the fossil record, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.280 lived between one and nine million years ago. Actually, I 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.360 saw um an article that had updated that to about 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.320 a hundred thousand years ago, which meant that humans and 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.080 gigant Epithecus lived side by side. Have you seen this thing? 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.240 I have? It looks like a big foot, um, you know. Yeah, 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.320 and then like, oh, well, I guess if someone saw 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:29.360 that in the woods, I would think it was a 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:35.080 sasquat um. It lived in Southeast Asia or in Central Asia, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.720 and it's a relative of the orangutane yeah, big time, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.240 So it looks a lot like one. Yeah, this is 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:46.680 all extremely interesting stuff in case you didn't know, because orangutans, 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:52.880 for starters, have reddish hair, reddish orange hair, so that's 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.440 one connection to gigant Epithecus. Yeah. They've got the long 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.080 arms like that. Yeah. Um. They walked up right about 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:05.400 ten feet tall, usually about pounds um. And if since 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:11.120 orangutans are the closest modern relative of gigantapithe kiss it um, 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.000 it makes sense to kind of look at them, look 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.400 at their behavior. Does it match bigfoot stuff? Yeah? They 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.320 have teeth similar to humans, so that could account a 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.560 little bit for the man like look that people often 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:26.000 talk about, uh make occasionally will make a loud howling 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:31.160 calls uh that sound odd to other orangutans. Another thing 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.440 that kind of separates them too, aside from being um 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:39.880 Asian whereas most primates are African um, is that they 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:44.000 tend to live solitary lives, so they don't aggregate in groups. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.800 They live by themselves mostly. Okay, so chalk one up 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.600 for the big Foot enthusiasts. Yeah again, they're like, okay, 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.160 well that's it's gigantapithe kiss. Uh. They live a long time, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.080 and because they are widely dispersed, they may not even 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:02.720 see other orangutangs for many long stretches. So of course 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.879 they may not see a human either exactly, you know. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.120 And if they're intellectual or if they have intellect um, 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.720 as people who believe in Bigfoot like to point out, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.880 they would be able to successfully hide from humans, probably 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:22.560 especially if their habitat was the woods and the mountains. Um. 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.600 And so you put all that together that they have 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.959 a long lifespan, meaning there's not a lot of them 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:33.720 dying frequently. They live, they're spread out population wise, and 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:39.720 they tend to live in remote geographic regions that if 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.560 you add all that up, that's a pretty good reason 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.680 why you wouldn't have found any bones. Yes, because bones 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.119 can decay and the wild like that between five and 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.560 ten years. And um, the author of this was this 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.840 the Grabster. This is Tom Harris. I'm Harris. He's a 0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:00.200 good one to um. He points out that the Bob 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.880 never gone on bigfootbone hunting expeditions, so like people aren't 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.400 looking for these things, so they may not have found him. Well, yeah, 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.639 there is a guy actually who's um looking for Bigfoot, 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:16.560 his Idaho State anthropology professor, and he has he's crowdsourcing 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.879 blimp to hunt for Bigfoot with thermal imaging cameras and 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.119 stuff like that. And he's three and if you're interested 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.359 in it, you can check out that I thought it was. 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:30.040 But he's got his own website called Falcon Project UM 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:31.920 and that's what he's trying to do with it. So 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.040 there is at least one person trying to do a 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.239 rigorous scientific hunt for Bigfoot. But and then there's all 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.560 kinds of groups looking right. Yeah, there's even a show 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:45.320 on Animal Planet, one of our UH Discovery Channel stations, 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.040 one of our I would call it a sister station, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.760 but we're not a station one of our colleagues. And 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:56.439 it's uh, what's it called finding Bigfoot? And these people 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.959 are out there hunting Bigfoot. And I have even watched 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.199 bits of it because I just think it's cool and 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.800 interesting and uh, it's kind of a fun little show. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:06.960 So I recommend it. And weren't we weren't even asked 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.520 to plug that. I'm just plugging it go. You know, Um, 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:15.120 do you have a possible link between the orangutan, um right, 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:20.040 and Bigfoot? And that link might be a gigantopithecus. Question 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:26.040 is still remaining. Um, how did gigant Epithecus get here? Uh? Well, 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.040 we walked over the Uh was that the land bridge 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.640 bearing land bridge? Yes, yeah, just like we did. Sure, 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.600 not you and me, But you know, well that's one theory. Um. 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.120 But the big problem here, Chuck, is the absence of 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:45.720 proof doesn't prove anything. The fact that we haven't found bones, 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.160 even though you can explain it, we still haven't found 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.760 any bones, and it doesn't mean that something exists, and 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.679 that's a it's a big problem in this debate. You 0:19:54.720 --> 0:20:00.240 can also point to, though very happily, the Ceila canth right. Uh, 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.000 Cela Kanth was thought to have gone extinct sixty five 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.399 million years ago. It's a fish I thought to have 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.560 gone extinct in the Late Cretaceous period, and then they 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.800 found it swimming off the coast of Africa. So you 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.280 can point to that and say it's entirely possible that 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.880 gigantopith kists survived somehow and we just didn't know. Yeah, 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.560 and scientists are they'll point out that there are all 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:25.000 kinds of creatures that are still undiscovered, but most of 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.280 them are sea creatures. And that makes sense too because 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.280 we don't spend very much time under the sea now, 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.679 we don't, um, whereas you know, we spend a decent 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.000 amount of time in the woods. Um. Okay, So if 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:41.240 you're a skeptic, everything we just said probably made the 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.840 hair on the back of your neck bristle in irritation. 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.040 And um here's why, because, like we said, the absence 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.600 of proof doesn't prove anything true. Um. And it's entirely 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.880 possible that all of this evidence, this body of evidence, Um, 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.879 it's just basically a bunch of independent hoaxters fooling a 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:04.640 bunch of people over time. Yeah, or uh, innocent mistaken 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:09.520 identity they're not all hoaxters. Some people have perhaps gotten 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:14.560 confused about things, said, boy, that mangie bear doesn't look right. 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.720 It's standing up on its back legs too. Or the 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.680 recent photo that was that still image captured at night 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.200 and that's what they said it was, was a mangie bear. 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:27.040 But that thing was kind of weird looking, I think. Yeah, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:28.520 it was like a Knight image shot and it was 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.239 on it was on four leg or four you know, 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.119 I don't know if their arms or what. Um. And 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.800 you know, it looked odd, but they, you know, they 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:40.400 explained it away as a mangie bear. Um. But yeah, 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.679 lots of hoaxes over the years. Yeah. And if you 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:44.800 go into the woods and you're even the least bit 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:46.960 familiar with any kind of big foot lore and you 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.840 see something that's that possibly fits it, you may be 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.000 the victim of wishful thinking or being impressionable or what 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.280 have you. Yeah, that's a that's a pretty good accusation, 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.359 a skeptical level against somebody reports a big foot siding. 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:06.720 And the first, um, an easiest way to hoax someone, 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:11.800 to pull a hoax on someone is the old fake footprint. Yeah, 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.320 not too hard to do, you make a fake foot, 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:19.400 you wear it on your feet and you perhaps run 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:23.000 along in the woods, maybe lope, maybe leap to make 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:27.040 the footsteps you know, the gate correct, Um, and then 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:29.800 you make a plaster mold of it. Uh. The problem 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:32.280 with these is there hares in so many over the 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.919 years that it's like clear that they're hoaxes, because this 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.720 one is two toes, this one has claws, this one 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.440 has eight toes, And you know there are people aren't 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:45.480 getting together on these and making them consistent. Um. Probably 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:51.360 the most contentious bit of Bigfoot evidence was that sixteen 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:55.760 millimeter film you mentioned that was made seven by a 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.440 guy named Roger Patterson, the Patterson Gimblin Film, and it's 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:04.280 from Bluff Creek, California, and basically it shows Bigfoot walking 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:09.199 across basically a clearing into the woods, and Bigfoot is 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.640 aware that he's being watched, and he turns and looks 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.720 at the camera. Like you said, Will Ferrell didn't help. UM. 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.840 And I remember years ago like watching this and when 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:21.040 I was back in my time life books phase like 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.480 I'll believe anything, just tell me, um. And they were 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:26.480 saying that one of the reasons that this thing was 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.800 so convincing that it was Bigfoot? Was that and he 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:34.200 looked over his shoulder rather than looking with just his head. 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.679 Just turning his head, Bigfoot turns his whole shoulder and 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.520 torso along with his head, which is something that a 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.680 primate would likely do, and non human primate, I should 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:49.280 or someone in an ape suit shad possibly that's another 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.639 possibility to They also point out that bigfoots walking with 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.399 his knees bent in this that's another sure sign of primate, 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.520 whereas I did that today. By the way, is it hard? Well, 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:01.760 it's not the easiest thing, but what it makes you 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:05.560 do is sort of lope along with a kind of 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.480 a funny gate, a loping gate. Yeah, yeah, um, that's 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:12.000 That's something that bigfoot enthusiast point too, is that this 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.080 thing was walking with knees bent um. And I didn't 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.159 realize this until I read this in the article. But 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:20.600 humans lock their knees with each step. We don't walk 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.880 with our knees bent um. And then also the lastly 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:29.359 that the creatures fur is clearly rippling, like the skin 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.440 beneath his rippling, and like some costumes, some ape suit 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.080 isn't going to do that on its own. Put all 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:38.960 this together, and if you're a big Foot believer, this 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.280 is irrefutable evidence that there's such thing as big foot. 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:10.879 If you're skeptic, you can shoot a hole in all 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:14.400 of those, can't you. Sure? Um? Since this film came 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:18.480