1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, it's me Josh and for this week's 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: s Y s K Selex, I've chosen How Bigfoot Works. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: We released it on the very first day of the 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: very heady year of two thousand thirteen, and we explore 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: both sides of the issue, the very possibility that Bigfoot 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: might exist. Although here's a spoiler. We conclude it probably doesn't, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: but we don't poo poo the whole idea because it 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: is possible. So just listen with open ears, open mind, 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: and open heart. Enjoy. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works, Hey, 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: is always a Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and um that 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: makes this Stuff you should Know the podcast A right? 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: Is that a wookie? That is me Messing with Sasquatched? 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: It sounded more like um Frankenstein from Sarah. I remember that. 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: I love that bad Fonto and Tarzan Tarzan classic skit. 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: Have you seen the commercials Messing with Sasquatch? Yeah, Jack 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: Links It's pretty funny. Yeah, all of them are. It's 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: one of my favorite spots. Actually, well it contradicts um. 20 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: I witness reports that paint Bigfoot is kind of a benign, 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: shy creature. Now, as far as Jack Links is concerned, 22 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: he goes a gro when you um, when you mess 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: with him, I guess that's where it is. So I 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: have an actual intro for this one. All right, let's here, 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: we're talking big Foot, and very recently there was some 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: enormous huge news um and UM. We should probably preface 27 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 1: this one like, if you are a skeptic, don't worry. 28 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna give your side of this too. But we 29 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: have found over the years that UM, it's very respectful 30 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: to give voice to both sides. We try to and UM, 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: we're not insulting you by speaking the other person's side. 32 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: Will express your side as well, and when we do that, 33 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: we're not insulting the other side. And at the end 34 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: of the day, it's about Bigfoot. So let's not get 35 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: so worked up. Calm down, you know, it's all just fun. 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: There's a a self professed veterinarian with twenty seven years 37 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: experience including forensics named um Dr Melba Catchum Melba s 38 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 1: Catchum and she supposedly she claims got her hands on 39 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: some uh samples of bigfoot hair and has been testing 40 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: it do running genetic tests on it, and recently announced 41 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: and wrote a paper that's under pure view as it 42 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: stands now, UM that she she managed to isolate three 43 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: separate nuclear um d n A. Okay, uh, that that 44 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: came from three separate groups. So one is the nuclear DNA. Remember, 45 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: so you have um nuclear DNA is the mixture of 46 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: the mothers and the father's DNA. Mitochondrial DNA is strictly 47 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: from the mother. So the researcher found that the nuclear 48 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: DNA came from a human bigfoot, which is a hybrid 49 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: of the human and this third species, a non human species. 50 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: Doesn't know what it is yet, but supposedly that's what 51 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: this hair sample showed. Really, then this is just now right, Yeah, 52 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: I believe they made this announcement like in late November, 53 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: early December, which is now under it is under peer 54 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: of view. That doesn't mean that it's going to pass 55 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: peer of view. She submitted the paper for peer review. Um. Now, 56 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: she said that the the mitochondrial DNA in the sample 57 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: was human, which means that this third thing, bigfoot, is 58 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: the product of a female old woman and a this 59 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: non human species, the mystery species reproducing informing Bigfoot, and 60 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: she says that she isolated it to about fifteen thousand 61 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: years ago. Now, anybody who's followed Dr Ketchum's career can 62 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: poke holes all in this. There was apparently I read 63 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: an early draft of the paper that she said this 64 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: third this third um species was an angel. And people 65 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: skeptics love beating up on people like this. But my 66 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: hat is off to her for first of all, undergoing 67 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: this using the scientific method to root out um the 68 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: unexplained that's extremely forty in in nature and I love 69 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: that stuff um. And then secondly to put it up 70 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: for peer of view and to face that that kind 71 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: of criticism. One of the big problems that she she 72 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: isn't saying like where this sample, how she knows this 73 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: is a sample of Bigfoot's DNA. She didn't say where 74 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: she got it, not that not that I could find. 75 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: And I actually saw in one article that she's not 76 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: saying where where it came from. So there's a lot 77 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: of holes in it. But if you wanted big current 78 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: Bigfoot news, that's about as big as it gets. That's right, Uh, 79 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: not quite as current as our our own uh law 80 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: officer here in Georgia. Is that last year or the 81 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: year before the one up in the North Georgia. Yeah, 82 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: man with with his freezer, I didn't follow that very close. 83 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say that I really want 84 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: to believe in Bigfoot, or not want to believe. I 85 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: want to. I want there to be a Bigfoot. I 86 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: don't think there is that means you want to believe 87 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: in Bigfoot, but I still want to. I want to 88 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: believe it's out there because it's just it would be 89 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: so cool. And whenever, when I when I saw that story, 90 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: the sheriff and I think he was a sheriff or 91 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: deputy in North Georgia. It was a hoax, of course, 92 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: but he said he had a body in a freezer, 93 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: and they showed pictures of this uh uh what you know? 94 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: It was in a guerrilla suit, right, that's what ended 95 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: up being with and it had guts, had like animal entrails, 96 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: but it looked like initially like oh, man, that looks 97 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: like a dead big Foot, and then you look closer 98 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: and it's like a suit that you can get online. 99 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: I wish I had that kind of time to do 100 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, apparently portrayed a hoax. Apparently they 101 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: were trying to try drum up potential business for leading 102 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: big foot tours in North Georgia. It's a sound way 103 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: to do it until you get found out and then 104 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: ultimately either retire or get fired. No enforcement officer, things 105 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: could still work. Oh well, okay, he lost his day job, 106 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 1: is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, you can't do stuff 107 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: like that. If you're a cop, you can't pull a hoax. No, 108 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: you can't pull a hoax and try and snow people 109 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: for money. It's not it's not legal. I don't know 110 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: that it is illegal to uh to snow people for money, 111 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: to promise them something that's not true and charge This 112 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: guy says that you call it fraud, No, it's a hoax. 113 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: There's a big difference between fraud and a hoax. If 114 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: he had the business, it would be fraud. No. That 115 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: would be like if he promised that you're going to 116 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: see bigfoot, not a big foot tour, but he said 117 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna see bigfoot on this tour, and so he didn't, 118 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: then you could get him for fraud. I think he 119 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: would still be fraud if he founded that business and 120 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: advertise it on a false premise, which is I found 121 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: this thing, look at it. Yeah, I see your point. Yeah, 122 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: he's a jerk. Let's let's talk about Bigfoot. This guy 123 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: up in North George is pretty far from the only 124 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: person to pull a declared Bigfoot hoax. Um. What keeps 125 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: this thing going is that there's some stuff out there 126 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: that's considered this body of evidence of Bigfoot's existence that 127 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: hasn't been definitively debunked and right. One of them other 128 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: things that I think people who are believers in Bigfoot, 129 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: like the ones that are out there like looking for 130 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: Bigfoot and believe in Bigfoot. One of the things that 131 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: keeps them going also is this correlation between big Foot 132 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: sightings among people of European descent and big Foot legends 133 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: of Native American tribes long before the Europeans ever got here. 134 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: And if you, um, if you look at the names 135 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: of that these different tribes have and take a step back, 136 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: you're like, wow, these tribes were all over the place 137 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: there somewhere in the Pacific Northwest, somewhere in Florida, somewhere 138 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: in um the north, northeastern United States, and eastern Canada, 139 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: and all of them have this weird um tall giant 140 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: hairy man legend that they have a name for um 141 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: even though they're you know, geographically scattered all over the place. 142 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: And it's possible that they these all of these different 143 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: um legends share a single common ancestor that it's further back, 144 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: maybe located on the steps of Eurasia. But it's also 145 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: kind of noteworthy that they all have different legends for it. Uh, 146 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: the Himalays, even the Yeti, the acominable snowman in Asia 147 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: very popular. Um. Apparently you hear that one more than 148 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: you see it. Yeah, which I didn't know. But we 149 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: should call this thing sasquatch because that is the most 150 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: common name they use nowadays. And um, even though some 151 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:18,359 Speaker 1: of the names from Native American tribes when Dago, yeah, yeah, 152 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: that was Ohma Rugaru and books is some of the 153 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: names that has gone by Native American lord, but sashquatch 154 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: shash squatch comes from I have no idea how to 155 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: pronounce that. It looks like sess shock anyway, that that 156 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: word in another word from the area around British Columbia 157 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: were similar enough that in the nineteen twenties, white school 158 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: teacher named J. W. Burns coined the term sasquatch, and 159 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: it's basically it's the umbrella term for any big foot 160 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: like man, right, so we should. Even though these sightings 161 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: have varied in their description over the years, they're a 162 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: few marks that pop up. One is that this is 163 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: a tall beast between seven and fifteen feet, which is 164 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: that's is enormous. Yeah, I haven't most of the ones 165 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: I've heard of between like seven and eight feet. Have 166 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: you seen the troll Hunter? I saw that recently. Actually, 167 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: that first troll that they watched, the guy zap and 168 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: trying the stone. That thing was about fifteen ft tall. 169 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: That's huge. Yeah. That was a pretty good movie. I 170 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: buy ten ft no way, no way. Yeah. Did you 171 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: like the movie? Hunter was excellent? Yeah? I kind of 172 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: got it, kind of wore on me towards the end. 173 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: I thought it was a little long, but it was 174 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, and the imagination that it used it 175 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: was just beautiful. Totally agreed. Hunter people. Um it walks 176 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: on two legs, that's a big one. Was that bipedal? 177 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: That what they say? Um, it's upright and has a 178 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: loping gate. Um, he's seen that elf? Right, the movie Elf? Yeah, 179 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: the one shot where they mimic the uh the famous 180 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: sixteen millimeter film where it's it's Will Ferrell and Central 181 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: Park and they like have that from frame three fifty 182 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: two of the sixteen millimeter film. It's pretty funny. So 183 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 1: Will Ferrell's doing sess it says like, you know, the 184 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: strange elf was seen wandering through Central Park and they 185 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: mimic that. Yeah, yeah, that's very good. Um. And then 186 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: long reddish fur. That's a big one, reddish brown that's 187 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: and that's really interesting that it's um that sasquatch is 188 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: typically described as having long, reddish brown fur. Yeah, that's 189 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: a really specific thing for everybody to report. And again 190 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: it's possible that like people have heard other reports and said, 191 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, that's what they're expecting to see or that's 192 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: what they're reporting because that's what Sasquatch has. But it's 193 00:11:42,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: still it's significant. Um, you said that the YETI uh 194 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: was more heard than seen. Yeah, Bigfoot is usually more 195 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: seen than heard. But when Bigfoot is heard, um, the 196 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: he makes gurgling noises, howling noises, noises that sound totally 197 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: alien to the people reporting it. Yeah, I've heard weird 198 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: noises in the woods camping all my life, and I've 199 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: never thought, oh, that's a big Foot. I just think 200 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: that's just something some animal making a strange sound that 201 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: I've never heard because you live in the city, that's right. Uh. 202 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: Supposedly this uh sasquatch also has sort of a man 203 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: like face, and reports from either being really really really 204 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: smelly to not smelling at all. Oh, yeah, that's not 205 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: in this article. I forgot about how smelly Bigfoot is 206 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be. Yeah, I supposedly have heard that many times. Um. 207 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: They're also supposedly very wary of people, but also at 208 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: the same time intensely curious about us. Um and Uh. 209 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: A lot of people who have made eyewitness reports say 210 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: that they weren't scared, which is weird. Yeah. Most people 211 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: say that, like I didn't feel threatened, right, and that 212 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: kind of jibes with UM. Most Native Americans legends about 213 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: Bigfoot that it was Um, it's a a benign creature. Uh, 214 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: and often it's it has intellect and um, it's given 215 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: spiritual powers in Native American lower So it wasn't something 216 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: to be afraid of tasquatches, your friend. Yeah. Uh. They 217 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: usually are by themselves, but there have been reports of 218 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: several of these sasquatches hanging out together and chatting. Yeah, 219 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: but for the most part they're usually alone. Right. Um, 220 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: So you put all this together and you've got like 221 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 1: a pretty good common It's like the A. K. C. 222 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: Breed for sasquatch. These are its characteristics. I love it. Okay. Um, 223 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: if you take this at at face value, which you should, 224 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: sure if you're a skeptic, you should always look at 225 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: things at face value, not just immediately dismissed her poop 226 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: po it. Yeah, try to get to the bottom of it. 227 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: And that's what we're about to do now. The first 228 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: question is, um, could a creature that matches this description 229 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: possibly exist? Yeah, And it's important when considering this to 230 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: point out that we'd have never despite all the sightings 231 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: and little still shots and film clips and audio clips, 232 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: there's never been any conclusive evidence. They've never found bones, 233 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: but that's huge or anything like that. Um, a lot 234 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: of footprints and stuff like that. So moving forward, could 235 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: this exist perhaps in the giganto pithecus, right, because that's 236 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: a creature that that actually did exist at some point. 237 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: And it says here in the article that the gigant 238 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: epithis Epipthecus, which was the largest primate in the fossil record, 239 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: lived between one and nine million years ago. Actually, I 240 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: saw um an article that had updated that to about 241 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand years ago, which meant that humans and 242 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: gigant Epithecus lived side by side. Have you seen this thing? 243 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: I have? It looks like a big foot, um, you know. Yeah, 244 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: and then like, oh, well, I guess if someone saw 245 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: that in the woods, I would think it was a 246 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: sasquat um. It lived in Southeast Asia or in Central Asia, 247 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: and it's a relative of the orangutane yeah, big time, 248 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: So it looks a lot like one. Yeah, this is 249 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: all extremely interesting stuff in case you didn't know, because orangutans, 250 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: for starters, have reddish hair, reddish orange hair, so that's 251 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: one connection to gigant Epithecus. Yeah. They've got the long 252 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: arms like that. Yeah. Um. They walked up right about 253 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: ten feet tall, usually about pounds um. And if since 254 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: orangutans are the closest modern relative of gigantapithe kiss it um, 255 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: it makes sense to kind of look at them, look 256 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: at their behavior. Does it match bigfoot stuff? Yeah? They 257 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: have teeth similar to humans, so that could account a 258 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: little bit for the man like look that people often 259 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: talk about, uh make occasionally will make a loud howling 260 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: calls uh that sound odd to other orangutans. Another thing 261 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: that kind of separates them too, aside from being um 262 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: Asian whereas most primates are African um, is that they 263 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: tend to live solitary lives, so they don't aggregate in groups. 264 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: They live by themselves mostly. Okay, so chalk one up 265 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: for the big Foot enthusiasts. Yeah again, they're like, okay, 266 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: well that's it's gigantapithe kiss. Uh. They live a long time, 267 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: and because they are widely dispersed, they may not even 268 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: see other orangutangs for many long stretches. So of course 269 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: they may not see a human either exactly, you know. 270 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: And if they're intellectual or if they have intellect um, 271 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: as people who believe in Bigfoot like to point out, 272 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: they would be able to successfully hide from humans, probably 273 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: especially if their habitat was the woods and the mountains. Um. 274 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: And so you put all that together that they have 275 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: a long lifespan, meaning there's not a lot of them 276 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: dying frequently. They live, they're spread out population wise, and 277 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: they tend to live in remote geographic regions that if 278 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: you add all that up, that's a pretty good reason 279 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: why you wouldn't have found any bones. Yes, because bones 280 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: can decay and the wild like that between five and 281 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: ten years. And um, the author of this was this 282 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: the Grabster. This is Tom Harris. I'm Harris. He's a 283 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: good one to um. He points out that the Bob 284 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: never gone on bigfootbone hunting expeditions, so like people aren't 285 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: looking for these things, so they may not have found him. Well, yeah, 286 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: there is a guy actually who's um looking for Bigfoot, 287 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: his Idaho State anthropology professor, and he has he's crowdsourcing 288 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: blimp to hunt for Bigfoot with thermal imaging cameras and 289 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And he's three and if you're interested 290 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: in it, you can check out that I thought it was. 291 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: But he's got his own website called Falcon Project UM 292 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: and that's what he's trying to do with it. So 293 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: there is at least one person trying to do a 294 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 1: rigorous scientific hunt for Bigfoot. But and then there's all 295 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: kinds of groups looking right. Yeah, there's even a show 296 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: on Animal Planet, one of our UH Discovery Channel stations, 297 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: one of our I would call it a sister station, 298 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: but we're not a station one of our colleagues. And 299 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: it's uh, what's it called finding Bigfoot? And these people 300 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 1: are out there hunting Bigfoot. And I have even watched 301 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: bits of it because I just think it's cool and 302 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: interesting and uh, it's kind of a fun little show. 303 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: So I recommend it. And weren't we weren't even asked 304 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: to plug that. I'm just plugging it go. You know, Um, 305 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: do you have a possible link between the orangutan, um right, 306 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: and Bigfoot? And that link might be a gigantopithecus. Question 307 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: is still remaining. Um, how did gigant Epithecus get here? Uh? Well, 308 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: we walked over the Uh was that the land bridge 309 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: bearing land bridge? Yes, yeah, just like we did. Sure, 310 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: not you and me, But you know, well that's one theory. Um. 311 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: But the big problem here, Chuck, is the absence of 312 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: proof doesn't prove anything. The fact that we haven't found bones, 313 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: even though you can explain it, we still haven't found 314 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: any bones, and it doesn't mean that something exists, and 315 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: that's a it's a big problem in this debate. You 316 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: can also point to, though very happily, the Ceila canth right. Uh, 317 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: Cela Kanth was thought to have gone extinct sixty five 318 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: million years ago. It's a fish I thought to have 319 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: gone extinct in the Late Cretaceous period, and then they 320 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: found it swimming off the coast of Africa. So you 321 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: can point to that and say it's entirely possible that 322 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: gigantopith kists survived somehow and we just didn't know. Yeah, 323 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: and scientists are they'll point out that there are all 324 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: kinds of creatures that are still undiscovered, but most of 325 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: them are sea creatures. And that makes sense too because 326 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: we don't spend very much time under the sea now, 327 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: we don't, um, whereas you know, we spend a decent 328 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: amount of time in the woods. Um. Okay, So if 329 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: you're a skeptic, everything we just said probably made the 330 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: hair on the back of your neck bristle in irritation. 331 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: And um here's why, because, like we said, the absence 332 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: of proof doesn't prove anything true. Um. And it's entirely 333 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: possible that all of this evidence, this body of evidence, Um, 334 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: it's just basically a bunch of independent hoaxters fooling a 335 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: bunch of people over time. Yeah, or uh, innocent mistaken 336 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: identity they're not all hoaxters. Some people have perhaps gotten 337 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: confused about things, said, boy, that mangie bear doesn't look right. 338 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: It's standing up on its back legs too. Or the 339 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: recent photo that was that still image captured at night 340 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: and that's what they said it was, was a mangie bear. 341 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: But that thing was kind of weird looking, I think. Yeah, 342 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: it was like a Knight image shot and it was 343 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 1: on it was on four leg or four you know, 344 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: I don't know if their arms or what. Um. And 345 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, it looked odd, but they, you know, they 346 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: explained it away as a mangie bear. Um. But yeah, 347 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: lots of hoaxes over the years. Yeah. And if you 348 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: go into the woods and you're even the least bit 349 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: familiar with any kind of big foot lore and you 350 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: see something that's that possibly fits it, you may be 351 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: the victim of wishful thinking or being impressionable or what 352 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: have you. Yeah, that's a that's a pretty good accusation, 353 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: a skeptical level against somebody reports a big foot siding. 354 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: And the first, um, an easiest way to hoax someone, 355 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: to pull a hoax on someone is the old fake footprint. Yeah, 356 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: not too hard to do, you make a fake foot, 357 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: you wear it on your feet and you perhaps run 358 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: along in the woods, maybe lope, maybe leap to make 359 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: the footsteps you know, the gate correct, Um, and then 360 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: you make a plaster mold of it. Uh. The problem 361 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: with these is there hares in so many over the 362 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: years that it's like clear that they're hoaxes, because this 363 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: one is two toes, this one has claws, this one 364 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: has eight toes, And you know there are people aren't 365 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: getting together on these and making them consistent. Um. Probably 366 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: the most contentious bit of Bigfoot evidence was that sixteen 367 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: millimeter film you mentioned that was made seven by a 368 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: guy named Roger Patterson, the Patterson Gimblin Film, and it's 369 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: from Bluff Creek, California, and basically it shows Bigfoot walking 370 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: across basically a clearing into the woods, and Bigfoot is 371 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: aware that he's being watched, and he turns and looks 372 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: at the camera. Like you said, Will Ferrell didn't help. UM. 373 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: And I remember years ago like watching this and when 374 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: I was back in my time life books phase like 375 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: I'll believe anything, just tell me, um. And they were 376 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: saying that one of the reasons that this thing was 377 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: so convincing that it was Bigfoot? Was that and he 378 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: looked over his shoulder rather than looking with just his head. 379 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: Just turning his head, Bigfoot turns his whole shoulder and 380 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: torso along with his head, which is something that a 381 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: primate would likely do, and non human primate, I should 382 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: or someone in an ape suit shad possibly that's another 383 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: possibility to They also point out that bigfoots walking with 384 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: his knees bent in this that's another sure sign of primate, 385 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: whereas I did that today. By the way, is it hard? Well, 386 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: it's not the easiest thing, but what it makes you 387 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: do is sort of lope along with a kind of 388 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: a funny gate, a loping gate. Yeah, yeah, um, that's 389 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: That's something that bigfoot enthusiast point too, is that this 390 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: thing was walking with knees bent um. And I didn't 391 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: realize this until I read this in the article. But 392 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: humans lock their knees with each step. We don't walk 393 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: with our knees bent um. And then also the lastly 394 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: that the creatures fur is clearly rippling, like the skin 395 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: beneath his rippling, and like some costumes, some ape suit 396 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: isn't going to do that on its own. Put all 397 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: this together, and if you're a big Foot believer, this 398 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: is irrefutable evidence that there's such thing as big foot. 399 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: If you're skeptic, you can shoot a hole in all 400 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: of those, can't you. Sure? Um? Since this film came 401 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: out in seven it's been like the most reviewed and 402 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: made fun of or backed piece of evidence ever for 403 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Bigfoot or Sasquatch. And um, Roger Patterson it turns out 404 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: was making trying to make a movie about Bigfoot. Yeah. Yeah, 405 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: so he wasn't just some guy out there that happened 406 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: to have a camera. He was trying to put together 407 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: a film. Um. Since this has come out, there have 408 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: been various people. One guy came out and said, you 409 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: know what, I made the suit for him. He paid 410 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: me a thousand bucks to make him the suit. Well, 411 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: the guy who supposedly did make the suit is never 412 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: admitted to. Well, now there's a bunch of guys that's 413 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: not the same guy. There's Chambers, and then there's this 414 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: other dude. They aren't the same people. That's why it's 415 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: it's kind hinky because multiple people have claimed they made 416 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: the suit. This one guy says that he was the 417 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: guy in the suit, and um, but his suit story 418 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: didn't match up with the guy who claimed he made 419 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: the suit did match up with his suit story. But 420 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: then people said, you know what, Patterson could have altered 421 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: that original suit to match the guy who said he 422 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: was in the suit. Then there's Chambers who other people 423 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: say it made the suit, but he says he didn't 424 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: make the suit. Well, it's a longstanding Hollywood rumor that 425 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: actually John Landis, the director of American Werewolf in London. 426 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: Um came out and and and said, yeah, this is true. Um. 427 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: When he was a young pup, he was working at 428 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: one of the studios and he became friends with John Chambers, 429 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: who did the ape suits for Planet of the Apes, 430 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: which came out right around that time, right, Um, and Uh, 431 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: he had heard that Chambers had done this, and he 432 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: befriended Chambers and said, yes, it's true. This is John Chambers. 433 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: And Chambers never has never taken credit for it. He's 434 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: never come out and said, yeah, I did it. But 435 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: if you ask the average special the effects guy or 436 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: makeup guy these days, if you show them that, they're like, yes, 437 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: this is ape suit. There's a water bag underneath that's 438 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: making the skin ripple. Um and I like, that's a guy. 439 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: That's a man. Right, I watch it again today, like 440 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: five times. Yeah, I mean too, it's really neat. Yeah, 441 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of fun. I mean just the detail they 442 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: went into, like the the crooked legs, the bent knees. Yeah, 443 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: the shaky cam like it looked like someone scared and 444 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: discovering something. Yeah, it's it's perfect. If it's a fraud, 445 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: it is perfect because think about it. The thing was 446 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: shot in nineteen sixty seven. It's two thirteen, and people 447 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: are still debating whether or not it's authentic. Oh yeah, 448 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: and it's it's gone through lots of rigorous testing by 449 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: people that study whether or not the film was tampered, 450 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: and they have determined that nothing was tampered post shooting. 451 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: Like if it was anything, it was a dude in 452 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: ape suit and they really went out there in the 453 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: woods and shot it. Uh. But like I said, this 454 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: is all just kind of fun to me. People get 455 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: so worked up over this. I don't get it. You know, Yeah, 456 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: what's the harm unless someone's like defrauding people out of money? 457 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: You know. Um, there are people who dedicate their careers 458 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: to this. There's a woman named um Kathy moscowitz Strain, 459 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: and she is a forest archaeologist for the U. S 460 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: Forestry Service who basically became an anthropologist and an archaeologist 461 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: so that she could hunt for Bigfoot. And she's very 462 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: respected even among skeptics who counter all of our arguments. Um, 463 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: but she is very much searching for Bigfoot and has 464 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: been for many years, and she believes or just wants 465 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of it. She believes that 466 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: there's a bigfoot, that there's another species out there, some 467 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: primate species that is what we call sasquatch or bigfoot. Yeah, 468 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: the arguments against like, to me, if you can't say 469 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: something like, well, somebody would have definitely seen it, Mike 470 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: by now and proven it, Like you just can't say that, 471 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: like the Pacific Northwest is so vast that an animal 472 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: could probably hide if there was only a few of 473 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: them left from people, you know. But on the other hand, 474 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: you also like, I can't say it exists because of 475 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: this these hoaxes and these sounds, and like you need 476 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: some sort of like scientific evidence. Bones, bones would help. 477 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: You do need that unless you're just enjoying thinking about it. Yeah, Um, 478 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: another thing you can enjoy that's kind of related is 479 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: watching the Mystery Science Theater three thousand of the Legend 480 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: of Boggy Creek to se that one. It's arguably the 481 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: best episode that. Oh my god, it's hilarious. Strong statement, 482 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: but it's related. It's a based on a big foot 483 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: like creature. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Tom points out to that 484 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: the reason people want to believe in stuff like this 485 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: is the same reason some people want to believe in aliens. 486 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: Um that like, the sense of adventure is seemingly lost 487 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: these days. There's nothing new to discover. And God, if 488 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: we could just discover a big foot, that would be 489 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: so huge and so monumental. Um. And I get that 490 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: that's probably why I want to believe. You know, yea, 491 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: it would rock the world of science. Oh it totally one. 492 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: But then we'd put it in a zoo. Yeah, poke 493 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: it with electricity we humans. Yeah. Um, all right, well, uh, 494 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: let's see, if you want to learn more about bigfoot, 495 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: you can type that word into the search part how 496 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: stuff works. Um, there's an adorable picture of a baby 497 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: oranguting in this article, so you want to take that out. Um, 498 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: that's b I G F O O t um. And 499 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: it'll bring that up and since I said search parts 500 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: time for listen to mail, I'm gonna call this. Uh. 501 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't even remember what this was. Oh, meth showers, 502 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: H Josh Chuck and Jerry A k A L. Chuck Tran. 503 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: My name is Jimmy Griffith from leon Or, South North Carolina. 504 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: Uh or linoiff I'm not sure you pronounced that. I'm 505 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: originally born in Brazil, A relatively young listener, and after 506 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: listening to how meth works reminded me of a story 507 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: from my college days. I used to know these identical 508 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: twin brothers that went to Appalachian State with me. You 509 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: know what goes on that school? Yeah, they beat Michigan 510 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: with a bunch of hippies, a bunch of party kids 511 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: at friends that went there. Uh. At one time, one 512 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: of them was having um explained hallucinations see what I mean, 513 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: and other weird psychological issues. That twin with hallucinations feared 514 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: that he might have schizophrenia, but that did not make 515 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: sense since his identical twin did not share the symptoms. 516 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 1: As I understand, if one had the disorder, the other 517 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: would also have it since they are identical. And that's right, 518 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: that's true. It's probably like a percentage fail. I think 519 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: it's automatic um. After dealing with his issue for a 520 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: little while, the twin with hallucinations decided to see a 521 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: doctor and, after running a few blood tests, tested positive 522 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: for meth. This made no sense since he had never 523 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: used meth. Uh. After a few questions about the daily routine, 524 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: they found out that most of what they did was similar, 525 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: except one of the twins preferred to take baths, the 526 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: one suffering hallucinations, and the other preferred showers. This led 527 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: to further investigation of the rental house they lived in. 528 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: They found out there was a high concentration of meth 529 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: on the bathtub on the porcelain of the bathtubs, which 530 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: indicated whoever lived there previously made meth in the bathtub. 531 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: As you would expect, they shut down the house, the 532 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: twins moved out, and cleaning crew with has met suits 533 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: moved in. The twin with issues ceased to have hallucinations involuntarily. 534 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: He says, I probably need to point that out, and 535 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: he came back to his old self. I just wanted 536 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: to share that if you're having a great week, someday, 537 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: I hope to visit the studio in Atlanta and meet Jerry. Yeah, 538 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: and that right here is Jimmy Griffith from North Carolina 539 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: originally from Brazil. Dude, thanks, thanks Jimmy. We hope you're 540 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: having a good week too, and we're glad your friend 541 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: turned out. Okay, geez, can you imagine tested for meth? 542 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: It's like elaine? Yeah, testing positive for poppy seed bagel yeah, 543 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: opium yeah, or puppy see more heroin? Yeah, good stuff opium? Um. Yeah, 544 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: that's a good one man. What that signild? Yeah? 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