1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noelan. They call 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: Paul Mission Controlled deconds. Most importantly, you are you, You 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: you to know. Today we are investigating a mystery, and 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, it is not one that we are going 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: to solve in today's episode. What are we talking about, Well, 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: let's let's take a somewhat secuitous route here. Let's start 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: comparatively local and consider the sudden. You know it, you 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: might love it, You've definitely heard of it. It's the 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: closest star to uh, almost said the US. But it's 16 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: the closest star to Earth and the US. Uh. It's 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: wildly popular. It's one of the few fads that humanity 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: can largely agree is a good thing and should be 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: kept around. But the Sun is far from the only 20 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: star in the universe. Really quickly, Ben, you know who 21 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: doesn't like the Sun? Me Beavis and butt headon. Oh 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: remember that part in the movie where they're like, the 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: sun sucks. That's all I got. Sorry, please carry on. 24 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: I think I'm there in the desert exactly. The hydration 25 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: and my skin also is not a big fan, but 26 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: it is also the life giver of you know, it 27 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: is the light bringer. If you will, there we go. 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: So so, if you're you know, standing on Earth and 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: you look out, you see our sun. That's definitely the 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: most prominent star out there. But if you continue to look, 31 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: even with the naked eye, if you're far enough away 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: from a city, you can see that these things are everywhere. 33 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: And then you imagine just that there are billions of 34 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: galaxies out there in the vast nothingness. It's not really nothingness, 35 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: it's the everythingness. It's somethingness at the very least. But 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: within each of those billions of galaxies there are stars, right, 37 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: or spaces of hopes right? Maybe maybe I don't know. Well, 38 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: here are the facts. Let's talk about stars. Okay, so cool. 39 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: If you look in one very specific direction out there 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: into the cosmos, and then you travel let's say, seventy 41 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: five million light years away from the Earth, you will 42 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: find yourself in the Kinman dwarf galaxy. It's also known 43 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: as PHL two three B or phil b U. There 44 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: is a massive star inside this little dwarf galaxy, and 45 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: it's fairly dwarf galaxy um that is inside the constellation 46 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: of Aquarius. If you're looking out there and looking at constellations, Yes, 47 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: this object in question is known as a luminous blue 48 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: variable star or lbv UM. And part of me wants 49 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: to just pronounce that little lit move, but doesn't roll 50 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: off the tongue the way Phil does. Matt, you win 51 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: with that one, sir. But it's about two and a 52 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: half million times brighter than the Sun. At least at 53 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: one point in time, it was so Ben, what's the scanny? 54 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: What happened with this? Uh? This like big brother to 55 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: the Sun that is now no longer that thing. Yes, 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: astute listeners, you may notice that we have started speaking 57 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: in past tense about this star. Here here's what happened. 58 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: This star is already relatively well studied in the modern day. Astrophysicists, 59 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: astronomers and so on had investigated it for the better 60 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: part of a decade from about two thousand and one 61 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: to two thousand and eleven. There's nothing unusual about that. 62 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: That is the routine research that scientists will do. This star, however, 63 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: was different in that it was nearing the end of 64 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: its stellar life. That's right, Stars, just like people or 65 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: living things, uh, do have a finite span of time 66 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: in their existence. And this star was in its older days. 67 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: It was elderly. It was an elderly star for lack 68 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: of a better word. And it was also subject to 69 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: these weird, unpredictable variations and brightness. So nol you had said, Uh, 70 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: this LBV was about two point five million times brighter 71 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: than the Sun. It was, but it wasn't consistently at 72 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: that brightness, and this was pretty baffling. Uh. Stars like 73 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: this are candidly pretty rare, but they are not unknown. 74 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: So again, still, this star was not unique yet. A 75 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: handful of these have been discovered already. However, when people 76 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: saw these fluctuations in brightness, some enterprising astro physicists also 77 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: recognized it as an enormous opportunity for possibly groundbreaking research, 78 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: and so they said, out of the multitude of stars 79 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: in the sky, we want to turn the telescopes back 80 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: to this one and see if there's anything else we 81 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: can learn. Yes, a doctoral astrophysicist student at Trinity Dublin 82 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: College did just that. A gentleman by the name of 83 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: Andrew Allen was very interested in the star. So back 84 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: in nineteen he and his fellow star enthusiasts, um professional 85 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: star enthusiasts, decided to use something delightfully named the European 86 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: Southern Observatories very Large Telescope love it just to tell it, 87 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: tell it like it is. And they wanted to use 88 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: this device to get a us or look um at 89 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: this star as it started kind of approaching its twilight 90 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: years um, the end of its stellar life, and that 91 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: would potentially really offer some incredible research material, right And 92 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: and it's not as though they were going in, you know, 93 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: completely blind about what may may happen. They had a 94 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: pretty rough idea of what's going to happen to this star, 95 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: because stars do a couple of general different things. But 96 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: usually when a star, you know that's this much larger 97 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: and brighter than the sun, begins to really end, truly end, 98 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: it's going to explode in some kind, in some form 99 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: or fashion. And there are several different types of these 100 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: explosions that we're going to talk about here, but there 101 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: it would it would explode, and we would notice because 102 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: we would see it. Even though it's seventy five million 103 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: light years away and it takes that light that long 104 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: to reach us, we would still be able to observe it. Yeah. Yeah, 105 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: And so we know that stars of this size tend 106 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: to have violent deaths. Uh. And and also you know, I, 107 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: I know I'm leaning into the comparisons here, uh and 108 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: I maybe anthropomorphizing a bit, but you'll see why these 109 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: comparisons are apt. So stars have Stars of this nature 110 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: tend to have violent deaths. Here's what happens. They run 111 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: out of hydrogen to fuse, right, and then the weight 112 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: of the star starts squeezing on its core. It gets 113 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: hotter and hotter and denser and denser. And then the 114 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: star uh, almost as if it is struggling to prevent 115 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: itself from dying. It begins to fuse heavier elements than usual, 116 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: and sort of a hail Mary, a last ditch effort 117 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: to keep from collapsing. So from carbon to silicon to iron, 118 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: each of these steps generates heat and pressure, but it's 119 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: never quite enough, and the fusion of these heavier elements 120 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: they don't give the star more energy, so boom, the 121 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: core collapses, and the resulting shock wave of protons and 122 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: neutrons colliding will rip the star apart. The outer layers 123 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: are thrown out into the ink, out into space, and 124 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: it becomes a supernova. Uh and for for very brief 125 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: time comparatively, the star is enormously bright. This massive amount 126 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: of chaos and and pandemonium makes for a beautiful display. 127 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: Actually it's it's weird that for us it's an amazing firework, 128 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: but you know, it's tremendously get damaging to the galaxies 129 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: in which it occurs. And it's one of those things 130 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: where if you are observing even the region around a 131 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: star that is going into supernova or beginning to supernova, 132 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: or has recently gone into that process, you'd be able 133 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: to see it because it's not just you know, um, 134 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: if you think about our son, it's not just kind 135 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: of that ball of gases that's burning, right, it's now 136 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: um if you imagine, you've seen it before depicted in 137 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: movies and and science fiction television probably, but it is 138 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: now kind of coloring the the uh space around it, 139 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: the darkness around it. Right, it looks like a splotch 140 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: now more than kind of spherical thing UM, because it's 141 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: the it's all those gases that Ben was talking about, 142 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: the radiation, it all just kind of looks to have 143 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: spilled out into the space around it for quite a while. 144 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't just explode and then it's done right. It 145 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: doesn't last for a few seconds the way it does 146 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: and maybe a star wars or you know, something like that. 147 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: It's there and you're observing it again over the worse 148 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: of several years. Man. Yeah, so after the blast um, 149 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: this dense core that's left behind UM from stellar material 150 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: might collapse into a black hole or a neutron star. 151 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: And those are two of spaces most head scratching kind 152 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: of mysteries that we really don't know what happens when 153 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: you get sucked into one of these, or at least 154 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: not as much as we would like. UM. But that's 155 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: not what happened to LBV. When Andrew Alan searched for 156 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: this um LBV, he stumbled across a bit of a 157 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: galactic mystery. UM sort of like a victim and some 158 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: kind of cosmic noir detective story. I love this, Ben Um. 159 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: The star just just you know, like they like Kaiser, 160 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: so's like that it was gone. Um. And in order 161 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: to investigate this mystery and kind of follow the clues, uh, 162 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: the researchers had to look back at previous observations and 163 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: snapshots of the star taken in two thousand two and 164 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: two thousand line, and they discovered something very interesting, which 165 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: was at the star had been undergoing a very strong 166 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: one of those outburst periods that matt was talking about 167 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: during that time, Um getting rid of throwing off enormous 168 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: amounts of of that stellar material at a much much 169 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: faster rate than normal. I would just like to point 170 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: out that is not a supernova that you're talking about there, Um, Like, 171 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: it's not an explosion. It's it's ejecting material the way 172 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: maybe you've seen the Sun with a coronal mass ejection 173 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: or some of the filaments that just will escape from 174 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: the surface of the Sun and head out into space. 175 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: It's yes, yes, star tantrum, It's yeah, that's essentially what 176 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about here, but at a much higher rate. 177 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: That's a very good point, Matt Um. And so what 178 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: happened next, Well, the researchers know that this kind of 179 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: star variable LBV like this can experience these space tantrums 180 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: as they age, uh, and that can cause them to 181 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: glow more brightly. But what they found was that the 182 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: outbursts they could prove and trace ended some time after 183 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: right when routine observation the star halted, and that meant 184 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: that they needed some They needed to do some space 185 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: detective work because sometime between eleven and this star simply vanished. 186 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: So what happened? That's our question today and will attempt 187 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: to find some answers afterward. From our sponsor. Here's where 188 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. Okay, jury is out. What happened? Well, 189 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: that's kind of the point of this episode, guys. Um, 190 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what happened, and scientists, even brilliant 191 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: younger people who are you know, getting pH d s 192 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: and astrophysics who are observing the thing directly, are trying 193 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: to figure out exactly what happened. But the cool thing 194 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: that occurs when you know, strange things go down is 195 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: that there are a bunch of explanations, proposed hypotheses, theories 196 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: about what perhaps occurred here. And what we're gonna do 197 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: from here on out is just explore some of the 198 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: things that may have happened with this star, and some, 199 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: of course, are a little more out there than others. 200 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: Some are a little more mundane, a little boring. But 201 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: it's okay because it could be any of these. Because 202 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: guess what's coming up in a second bend. Oh yeah, 203 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: strap In, I have a clear bias on this one, guys, 204 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: I have the one that I very much want to 205 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: be true. Uh. We're gonna get to aliens in a second. 206 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: But but right now, it's already spooky and disquieting enough 207 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: to note that stars do a lot of things. They 208 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: don't just disappear that that doesn't happen. They leave a trace. 209 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: Like you said, No, there will be a black hole, right, 210 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: there will be there will be some sort of detritus. 211 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: But this one seems to have just vanished. So if 212 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: we look at the possibilities, I suggest we start with 213 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: the mundane, or, as you said, Matt, maybe the more 214 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: boring a k plausible stuff. First, Uh, we have to 215 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: remember to a point I think one of us made earlier, 216 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: that we're looking at something from a long, long, long 217 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: way away. There's a lot of space in between us 218 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: and this star, so much space that there's a lot 219 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: of time in between us in this star and in 220 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: that space, that geographic space between us and this star. Uh, 221 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: there are plenty of things that get in the way. 222 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: To preface this, I want point out something that Matt 223 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: mentioned off air that you know, in that that gap 224 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: between the observation period nineteen, there's anything could have All 225 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: bets are off, anything could have happened in that time, 226 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: to just keep that in mind. But one uh, pretty 227 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: simple and a little bit mundane explanation could be that 228 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: the star dimmed considerably after its outburst and was then 229 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: further obscured by um a thick kind of cluster of 230 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: cosmic dust. UM. If that's the case, then the star 231 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: could reappear in future observations because again these clouds, uh, 232 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: this kind of veil could drift through space, and that's 233 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time for something like that. You know, 234 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: things move very slowly in space, at least far away 235 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: when you're observing it. That absolutely would be a scenario 236 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: where the star didn't actually go anywhere, It just wasn't 237 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: observable at the time. Just what I would say here 238 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: that this one feels a little odd to me is 239 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: just how bright the star was in question here the LBV, 240 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: because you know, we mentioned at the top. It was 241 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: two and a half million times is brighter than the sun. Right, 242 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: that's some robust cosmic dust right there. You know, well, 243 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: well it is for sure. Um, it's just we don't 244 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: know how far away you know, where that veil would 245 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: be located in between the two points right on that 246 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: on that line, Um, I mean, would that be sort 247 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: of like an asteroid belt or something like like a 248 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: cluster of like closely knit together material that would potentially 249 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: obscure something from view. This is what I find hilarious 250 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: about this. This is classic human this this series basically 251 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: that UH is saying that seventy five million light years 252 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: is is a lot of space and that there could 253 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: be something in front of the telescope. We're dressing it 254 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: up to sound fancy and we're going to talk about 255 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: some weirder stuff, but this is like uh possibility and 256 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: feels like the exact kind of delightful hijinks are Specie 257 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: gets itself into. It's like the cosmic equivalent of accidentally 258 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: having your thumb slightly over the corner of the camera 259 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: on your phone when you're taking a selfie or something 260 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: like that. You know, if your thumb was let's say 261 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: forty million light years away gay exactly exactly. So we 262 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: let's get into what we you know, what we like 263 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: to talk about. Here the weirder and more exciting explanation, Ben, 264 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: I think I leave this d you, my friend. Oh 265 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: this is um this is on the way to weird. 266 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: I won't say this is We're not full weird yet 267 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: on this one. But what if the star never really 268 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: recovered from its space tantrums when it was bleeding out 269 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: all that material. What if it just somehow collapsed into 270 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: a black hole, not with a bang, but with a whimper. 271 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: What if no supernova occurred? In short, like, what if 272 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: what if there wasn't an explosion like that for us 273 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: to see, It just sort of became a black hole. 274 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: This is pretty crazy. This would be a rare event. 275 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: And if it did happen, then the star would have 276 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: made a enormous black hole. It would have a mass 277 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 1: that was five to a hundred and twenty times the 278 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: mass of Earth's Sun And we have no idea how 279 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: that would have happened. That's like, that's at the stage 280 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: of you know, spitballing and speculation where someone says, maybe 281 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: this could have happened, and then someone says, well, how 282 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: do you think it would have occurred? And everybody has 283 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: to kind of throw up their hands and shrug because 284 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. It violates what we understand about 285 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: the rules of physics. Well, you know what they what 286 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: they really would have to do, Ben, and it's something 287 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: that would be completely beyond my understanding is throw up 288 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: a bunch of physics equations that there's no way I 289 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: could ever understand. But I've read some some papers on this. 290 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: We've all read some scientific papers on this now at 291 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: this point and trying to wrap my head at least 292 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: around the math that goes into calculating how it could 293 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: become a black hole like that. People are doing it 294 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: and they're checking it out and they're checking you know, 295 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: their maths. But uh, I certainly couldn't explain it to 296 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: you on this podcast. But but like you said, Rare, 297 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: what could have happened? Could have there there's another possibility 298 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: that comes to us through some research, some pretty recent 299 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: research at Cornell University. Right, is this a step up 300 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: in the weird spectrum? This one, this is a weird 301 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: one where it feels more plausible and a little less 302 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if this one rise the line between 303 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: mundane and strange. So let's let's just get into it. 304 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm good with that. Yeah. They it was a project 305 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: UM through an article submission to our x of dot 306 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: org that is a mouthful a r x I a 307 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: v dot org, which is like a database UM, and 308 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: that's through Cornell University in February. They weighed in on 309 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: different potential outcomes UM that we just mentioned so far, 310 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: and they added this one as another possibility UM positing 311 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: what if the light that these astronomers were observing all 312 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: that time UM and observing that it had dimmed so 313 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: significantly wasn't actually from an LBV star but from the 314 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: explosion of of of an LBV star from you know, 315 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: a supernovo LBV star. The scientists show that a type 316 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: two end supernova could account for some of these previous 317 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: misinterpretations of that light. That would you know, in theory, 318 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: have been coming from an active star rather than an explosion. 319 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: Your user error, then, is a good way to sum 320 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: up that argument. It's that it's not that the results 321 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: were wrong, we're necessarily mysterious at that point. It's that 322 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: our interpretation of those of that data was incorrect. And 323 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: these scientists, you know, they make a pretty good case 324 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: for this theory. Yeah. And if you you know, you 325 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: may think to yourself, what, no, man, there's no way 326 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: brilliant people could mistake a star just being there physically 327 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: somewhere and an explosion. Well, maybe think again. Here, I'm 328 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: gonna read a couple of quotes here from this article 329 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: that was published. It says it is possible the s 330 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: N supernova two end like event occurred some sometime between 331 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: September and September when no photometry is available, so no 332 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: actual pictures of this star and of the light being 333 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: emanated from that area. Going back to the quote, in 334 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: some cases supernova light curves exhibit bumps several years after 335 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: the explosion. Now that would account for you know, early 336 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: on Ben was talking about how this star or wherever 337 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: this light was coming from, it was very bright at 338 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: time times and then seemed to dim of it and 339 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: then be very bright, even brighter, and then a little 340 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: more dim um And that's what they're describing here as 341 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: these bumps in output of light. And here's another quote here, 342 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: the most plausible explanations for the recent dissipation of the 343 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: broad emission after an unusually persistent phase are an LBV 344 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: outburst followed by a slow, weakly variable phase, or a 345 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: very long lived s N two end event. That's a 346 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: supernova event. Um, so again exactly what we described before. 347 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: The most plausible things are that it just had that 348 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: weird outburst, that space tantrum we talked about then just 349 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: dimmed very significantly after that, or it was a long 350 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: lived supernova that we've just been observing as though it 351 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: were a star. Uh. And they say the latter is 352 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: more likely given the lack of short time scale variability 353 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: and the slowly fading light curve. The language just scientists, everyone, Yeah, 354 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: you did a really good job of unpacking that, Matt, 355 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: I applaud you. And now I think we're we're to 356 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: Ben's favorite part of today's episode, when we get legitimately 357 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: uh into the weirdest sphere here. Oh. I yeah, I'm 358 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: excited about this one. Guys. I think it's I think 359 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be our I think we'll be unanimous in 360 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: deciding this is our favorite part, this is our favorite 361 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: possible explanation. But let's hold the tension just a bit longer. 362 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: Will pause for a word from our sponsor. We'll be 363 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: right back, Noel Matt fellow conspiracy realists. Let's dream big. 364 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: What if this mysterious star was never destroyed at all. 365 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: What if reports of its death are exaggerated. What if 366 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: instead of being annihilated, this star was simply tamed. Which 367 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: sounds crazy, right, I'm anthropomorphizing left right here. But to 368 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: put a very fine point on it, what if somewhere 369 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: out there in the ink and extraterrestrial civilization has somehow 370 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: mastered the art of taming stars and using them for energy. Oh, 371 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: now we're talking, Ben, this is what I'm talking about. 372 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: Taming a star. How do you How does one do that? Well, 373 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: it's not like you can lasso it or capture it 374 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: in a trap of some sort, right you know, uh, 375 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: we know that we haven't done it yet officially. But 376 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: this is this is something I think we've talked about 377 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: on on stuff that I want you to know before, 378 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: the concept of the Kardashiev scale and this this is 379 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: this is very interesting. But we we have to explore 380 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: just a little bit about this so it doesn't sound 381 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: so the idea of someone taming a star doesn't sound 382 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: absolutely bonkers, which maybe it is that sounds like something 383 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: Dr Manhattan would do, or like maybe four you know, 384 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 1: fighting a star or taming a star. But no, this 385 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: is yeah, we can we can put this in UM 386 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: relatively grounded terms UM. So. In nineteen sixty four, Soviet 387 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: astronomer named Nicolai Cardischef proposed that a civilization's level of 388 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: technological advancement UM is like a direct correlation to the 389 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: amount of energy that the civilization is able to utilize. 390 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: And he's got three. He categorized the civilizations into three categories, 391 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: type one, Type two, type three. In a burst of creativity, 392 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: as Ben would say, a type one civilization can manage 393 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: the entire energy UM output and material resources of a planet. 394 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: A Type to civilization is capable of harnessing the energy 395 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: and material resources of a star and its entire planetary system. 396 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: And a type three UH civilization is able to wrangle 397 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: all of the energy and material resources of an entire galaxy. 398 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: Let's just try to simplify this ever so slightly, so 399 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: within this scale, it's theoretically possible that some intelligent civilization 400 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: somewhere out there in space has reached the level of 401 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: a type to civilization UM. Type three is just beast 402 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: mode um, and this would mean the construction of something 403 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: called a Dyson sphere. No, that is not a ball 404 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: vacuum cleaner, but I do believe that's where the name 405 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: came from. If I'm not mistaken, or is the guy's 406 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: name actually Dyson. I think it's I think it's a 407 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: connection because there's that Dison vacuum that has the sphere. 408 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just conjecturing here. Yeah, it's the 409 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: Dyson spear is named after Freeman Dyson, but I don't 410 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: think he's affiliated with the vacuums. No, that's Sir James Dyson. 411 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: Who does happen? Is this parallel thinking? He's James decided 412 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: to keep his scientific smarts in the realm of of 413 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: of keeping your home nice and tidy. But they're both 414 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: working with vacuums. When you think about it, that's very true, 415 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: terrible point. So I think it's perfectly spot on, and 416 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: it's certainly helped help me look a little less foolish, 417 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. Oh no, no, no chumps in 418 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: the squad. I just want to put out there that 419 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: I think we're talking about type to civilization, building a 420 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: dicen sphere here, we'll get into it. I think we're 421 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: actually talking about a type three civilization, gentlemen, here best mode. 422 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: I think we're talking about beast mode because of the 423 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: time frame where the demmi occurred. But let's continue forward. Yeah, yea. 424 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: So it's interesting that scale is a tremendously humbling one. 425 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: If you are familiar with Cardassiev, or if you have 426 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: read his work, or if you you know, if you're 427 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: thinking about this and putting humanity in this context, we 428 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: are yet to become a type one civilization. We are 429 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: below the bottom barrel of energy. We're Cardashev made a 430 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: scale that is a little bit difficult for the average 431 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: human to relate to, perhaps where the average to soxiety. 432 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: But a Dyson sphere is even cooler than a dyson 433 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: um vacuum. Clear the technology, if it exists, would um 434 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: would would be like that Arthur C. Clark quote, you know, 435 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: it would be indistinguishable from magic to the average human 436 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: being here on our ball of mud. The Dyson sphere 437 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: is a theoretical structure that's just like the kind of 438 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: trap you described, Matt. It's something that would be built 439 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: or constructed somehow around the entirety of a star. Imagine 440 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: putting the Sun in a box and then this sphere. This, uh, 441 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: this contraption would capture all of the energy emitted by 442 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 1: the star, and most importantly, it would be able to 443 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: transfer that energy converted into some sort of usable form. 444 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: For the enigmatic constructors of the Dyson sphere, this thing 445 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: would be huge. It would be without exceptions, without hyperbole, 446 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: it would be the biggest thing ever built as far 447 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: as humanity could understand. It was like, do you think 448 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: the Death Star is a big deal in Star Wars? 449 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a huge plot point, doesn't have the 450 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: best design, get it, sure, but but it's massive. This 451 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: would absolutely dwarf this we have We have no idea 452 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: how it would be built. Absolutely at least the Dyson's 453 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: fear that was put forward, as you said, by Freeman 454 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,239 Speaker 1: Dyson in nineteen sixty because you're talking about bigger than 455 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: a star, right, it's some constructed thing that's larger than 456 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: a star. Um certainly boggles of the mind there. But 457 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: there have been several theoretical, obviously very theoretical types of 458 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: solar grids almost that would consist of smaller essentially machines 459 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: and solar captured devices that would be placed close to 460 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: a star um but not in the same way as 461 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: a Dyson sphere wouldn't encapsulate the entire thing. But there 462 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: are some really fascinating concepts out there right now about 463 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: how you could begin down the road to a Dyson sphere. Yeah. Yeah, 464 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: and I do want to give credit where it's d 465 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: Dyson formalized this idea back in nineteen sixty, but we 466 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: believe he was he was inspired by earlier works of 467 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: science fiction by authors like Olaf Stapledon and H. Fellow 468 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: named J. D. Bernal. It's weird. The cool thing about 469 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: science fiction is that, uh, sometimes it ends up being prescient, right, 470 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: Like the US government True story has hired science fiction 471 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: writers in the past and just said, okay, yeah, pitch 472 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: this to us. Uh, this is a real thing we're 473 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: working on. How should we handle it? And they get 474 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: some wild answers. But yeah, Dyson, Uh, Dyson had a 475 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: pretty solid logic. He said, Look, if humanity can continue 476 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: our merry and mad experiments uh of existence, eventually we 477 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: are going to expand our energy demands so much so 478 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: that we're going to need to figure out a way 479 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: to get the total energy output of the Sun. How 480 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: do we do that? How do we make that happen? 481 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: He came up with the Dyson sphere. As you said, Matt, 482 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: there are it sounds with bonkers, but there there are 483 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: pretty I don't want to say conclusive, there are compelling 484 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: and tantalizing arguments for the legitimacy or the feasibility of 485 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: a dice and sphere. The craziest thing about this whole 486 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: notion is that theoretically it's possible. Theoretically it is possible 487 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: to build something around a start. I really quickly just 488 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: want to make a pop culture reference in the one 489 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty episode of Star Trek the Next Generation 490 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 1: and called relics uh the Enterprise, you know, as they 491 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: typically do response to a distress call and they discover 492 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: a dice and sphere. So a fun way to kind 493 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: of see it sort of fictionalized because it is there's 494 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: some science behind it, but it also it's one of 495 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: those things that's a little nebulous, right, Like it's conceptually possible, 496 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: but it's also like a thing in Star Trek that 497 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: they're presenting as though it's real, but we're not really 498 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: there yet technologically To actually make that happen. And just 499 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: to reiterate, that was Star Trek The Next Generation Season six, 500 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: episode four, a k a. The onety episode of the 501 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: show called Relics Relics. I like, hey, man, I love 502 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: Star Trek. YouTube. Parts of it corny, but oh man, 503 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: I find it very relaxing and comforting. I'll put it 504 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: on before bed. Sometimes it sort of lulls me into 505 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: a nice space trance. I'm super into the Borg, the queue, 506 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: all the villains. Oh yeah, totally. I want to put 507 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: this out there because I maybe I just have not 508 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: fully understanding. I oppose it to you guys as a 509 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: full off a cool question. I don't understand why an 510 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: intelligence at that level would want to fully encapsulate a star, 511 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: knowing that effects that that would have on all of 512 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: the solar system that you know is surrounding that star. 513 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: Like it feels like you'd want to capture the energy 514 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: or enough of the energy of that star while still 515 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: allowing it to keep you know, the functionality of the 516 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: solar system um. And maybe it's just my misunderstanding of 517 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: how that would actually affect it, because you certainly wouldn't 518 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: be sending heat anywhere throughout the Solar system anymore. If 519 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: you put a dicensephere on the thing, you're saying it 520 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: would affect like gravitational balance or something like that. Or well, 521 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if if there's any I guess you'd want 522 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: to identify a star that doesn't have any life on 523 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,239 Speaker 1: any of the planets, or observable life on any of 524 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: the planets, if you're anything like the you know this 525 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: crew of the starship Enterprise and you know the Federation 526 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: and all that, or maybe if you don't give a 527 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: crap and you're just you need that star energy, you 528 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: just put a Dicen sphere on that thing, and I 529 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: everybody else, Well, here's the here. This is a great question, 530 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: and it's also, unfortunately uh a good argument against a 531 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: Dicen sphere being responsible for the disappearance of this star. 532 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: And it's this, it's a question of efficiency. Why build 533 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: an entire box or an entire sphere around a star 534 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: when you can get all the energy you need from 535 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: an alternative design like a Dyson ring. Think about how 536 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: much we save in terms of great now we're space engineers, 537 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: think about all the cost cutting we could institute if 538 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: we just got a a Dyson um what's sometimes described 539 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: as a diceon swarm, and that would be instead of 540 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: one contiguous sphere, we have, uh, we have like satellites 541 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: in these positions, right, these immovable or static positions arranged, 542 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: and maybe a ring that would be the simplest form, 543 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: or in a series of rings, like the lines of 544 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: longitude on a globe. Right, we would still be harvesting 545 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of energy, but we would also you know, 546 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: energy would be leaving the mechanism as well. And to 547 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: your point, Matt, I think it's more dangerous for us 548 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: to anthropomorphize alien life than it is to anthropomorphies stars, 549 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: because uh, it leads us down these dark these dark roads, 550 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: these dark paths. To your question about why why someone 551 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: or some entity would build us fhear knowing that it 552 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: could wreak havoc on a solar system. Um, all we 553 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: can say is that if an aliens or anything like us, 554 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: if an extraterrestrial mind is anything like our own, uh 555 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: that and we can look at our human past and 556 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: every time we have had a chance to do the 557 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: right thing for the environment during you know, energy rushes, 558 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: we have decided to go with the short term profit. Yeah, 559 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Groulp needed that star energy, man, right right, 560 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: we need that star energy. You know, the other other 561 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: life forms will just have to deal with it. It's 562 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: true though, Um, there's no proof of this. It's just 563 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: a fascinating idea. And you know, as we've discussed in 564 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: previous episodes, whenever the concept of aliens somewhere out there 565 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: in space comes up, they are more or less a 566 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: mathematical certainty. And that makes this theory so fascinating for 567 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: a few different reasons. If if a dicens fear, we 568 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: know it can be built, but if there is a 569 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: civilization capable of building one, that makes the possibility of 570 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 1: finding intelligent extraterrestrial lie so much easier. There's a big 571 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: thing that we can find, you know what I mean. Uh. 572 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: And then second, if we find something like this, it 573 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: would prove a powerful commonality because it would mean that 574 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: these entities, these minds, whatever they are, would mean that 575 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: they use energy in a way similar to us, That they, 576 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: like us, uh, derive nourishment and existence from a star. 577 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: And that that that sounds small, but philosophically that's astounding. 578 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: That's that's kind of beautiful. I mean, we have to 579 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: remember every single thing, uh that about discovering a Dycen 580 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: sphere would be historic, It would be mind blowing, It 581 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: would be no small way terrifying. Uh. But we also 582 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: have to remember, you know, when we think about life 583 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: and planets that carry life, we are stuck with a 584 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: sample size of one. So we have no idea this 585 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: this would be I would rarely say this, guys, but 586 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 1: this would be a revolution of a spiritual level as 587 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: well as a scientific and circular one. I really want, 588 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: I really quickly want to point out that Popular Mechanics 589 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: has a fantastic article called could we Build a Dicen Sphere? 590 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 1: By Adam Hatizie from February twenty if of this year, 591 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: And so it is, you know, theoretically possible, but you know, 592 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: from everything that I've read, it would take like eighty 593 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: years to build one, just with the metrics of what 594 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: we know of how much material it would take, and 595 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: just like the you know, the time frame of constructing 596 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: such a thing and just the logistics of it. But 597 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,479 Speaker 1: there's also a few pretty cool videos on YouTube about 598 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: conceptually what it would take to build a Dicen sphere. 599 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: But it's it's I love the stuff that like this, 600 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: that's conceptually possible, but we're just not there yet because 601 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: it really scratches that sci fi it's for me, and 602 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: I think this is exactly that it's such an interesting story. Well, 603 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: we're in this scenario. We're talking about roughly nine years 604 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: or a little than that, some short period of time 605 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: where this star went from extremely bright to disappearing. Right, So, 606 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: if a Dicen sphere was installed, I'm thinking, You've got 607 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: two halves of a Dicen sphere and you ram them 608 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: together and now it's gone i Keia style, all right, 609 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: I love I love it. Some assembly required, right, Yeah? 610 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: That that that would be like a one million page 611 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: i Kea manual. You Uh, maybe it's also super simple. 612 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the equivalent of one very vague assembly 613 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: sheet and it says take Dycen sphere half A, noted 614 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: as A and attached to be not to just be. 615 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I've been assembling a lot 616 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: of a lot of furniture from sketchy places recently and 617 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: and I'm loving I'm loving the genre of writing that 618 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: the instructions are in. But but you guys are right, uh, 619 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,919 Speaker 1: we we can find this inspiring. The dicensephere is still 620 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: kind of a I mean, it's a thought experiment. There's 621 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: a great YouTube video about this called in a Nutshell. 622 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: If you guys are familiar with this series, they do animated, 623 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: excellent explanations of various things of this nature. But the 624 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: jury is still out. If you want a dicense fear 625 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: to be real, and you want this LBV to be 626 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: evidence of one, then we have somewhat good news for you. Currently, 627 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: this star has yet to reappear. No one has confirmed 628 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: whether it transformed into a black hole, whether there's some 629 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: kind of uh cosmic flotsam and jetsam in between the 630 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: telescope and the star, and we don't know if it 631 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: got bound into a dicense fhere. We don't know what happened. 632 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: There was no supernova, there was no sudden burst of light, 633 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: no dying scream of admitted energy. Instead, like a drowning sailor, 634 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: this enormous star are just sort of slipped beneath the waves. Also, 635 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: on a somewhat depressing philosophical note, because of the passage 636 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: of time, we have to realize that if this civilization existed, 637 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: they existed seventy five million years ago. So even if 638 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: they were, there are odds of finding them now are 639 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: very very very very very low as we understand them. 640 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: We should end it on a higher note. Sorry, it's 641 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 1: all good. I do like that we're in. That we're 642 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: ending here with a mystery because it gives us, you know, 643 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 1: something to look forward to, because we will find out 644 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: what happened to this start or the supernova. It's just 645 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: gonna take time. Thankfully, it won't take seventy five million 646 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: years light years, but it will, you know, we'll get there. 647 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: What if? What if? What if there's some deep space 648 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: equivalent of a Leviathan or kracking and it's like a 649 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: life form and it like eat stars. What if there's 650 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: a star eater out there? Not that's just swimming past 651 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: the star for an elongated period of time. Stuff of 652 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: nightmares right there, gentlemen. But we want to hear from you, folks, 653 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: think you as always so much for tuning in. What 654 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 1: do you think happened to this LBV? Can you solve 655 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:35,280 Speaker 1: the mystery of a star that again just disappeared? We've posed, uh, 656 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: we posed various theories again, as Matt said, ranging across 657 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: the spectrum of plausibility, But what do we miss? What 658 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: do you think what would be the wildest thing that 659 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: could happen, What do you think is the most likely 660 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: thing that could happen? And what should what should we 661 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 1: be looking for when we searched the sky at night? 662 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. This besides giant space whales? Are space whales? Yeah? Yeah, 663 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,879 Speaker 1: I do. Now, I just want to see that has 664 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: that ever been depicted? We're gonna I'm gonna start just 665 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: a Google search where giant space whales. We're gonna build 666 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: it somewhere. Didn't we talk about space whales in a 667 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: recent episode, and I and I incorrectly said that Mobius 668 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: was a big purveyor of space whales and he maybe 669 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: did one space whale. But we looked up pictures. It's 670 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: definitely a popular sci fi trope, but it wasn't Mobius. 671 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 1: But I don't know. Oh the art, yes, I believe so, Yeah, 672 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: they're amazing. Well, let us know what your take on 673 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: a space whale is also. I'm interested. Um. I was 674 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,800 Speaker 1: thinking about this earlier. If we think about the universe 675 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: just in terms of size, there could easily be life 676 00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: forms that are larger than our entire planet. Uh and 677 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: we might never know. It's just what do they breathe? Man? 678 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: Does that work? Just just just energy, bro, just straight 679 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: space dust. I have no idea man, space radiation. Maybe 680 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: maybe they're like, uh, you know how whales have bailey 681 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: that allows them to filter krill. Maybe they're doing something 682 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: like okay, like this has nothing to do with this 683 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: disappearing star. We haven't solved the mystery. We want to. 684 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: We want to hear from you, folks. Let us know. 685 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: You can find us on Facebook, you can find us 686 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: on Instagram. You can find us on Twitter, not just 687 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: as a show but as individuals. Yes, if you wish, 688 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: you may find me on Instagram, which is where I 689 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: hang out. I'm not really a tweeter, um, but I 690 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: do look occasionally and I'm trying to get more into 691 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: it because of because of all the smart folks out 692 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: there on Twitter making crazy weird Twitter communities out there 693 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: that I feel excluded from. 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