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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Exactly Yeah. Just a student's colleagues and

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Speaker 1: loved ones gathered at the Oregon Culinary Institute tonight to

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Speaker 1: I hope you're all sitting down. A woman, a very

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Speaker 1: successful novelist rights How to Murder Your Husband, just arrested

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Speaker 1: for allegedly murdering her husband. I'm Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. What happened? Who? What? Where? When? Why?

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Speaker 1: I mean? Could she be that stupid a brilliant novelist

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Straight out to Chuck Robert's

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Speaker 1: Crime one dot com investigative reporter, where you can find

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Speaker 1: this in every other crime and justice story, Chuck, was

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Speaker 1: she that dumb? What happened? I don't know. She wrote

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Speaker 1: not only that essay how to Murder your husband, but

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Speaker 1: got me drinking from a fire hydrant. Here she wrote, Okay,

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Speaker 1: a superstar lineup. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of La Kenya. Johnson,

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Speaker 1: veteran felony prosecutor out of Atlanta. Ashley Wilcot, judge, lawyer,

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Speaker 1: founder of childcrimewatch dot Com and a new guest joining

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Speaker 1: us but not new to the crime business, Fulton County

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Speaker 1: medical examiner doctor Jan Gorniett. Give me those names one

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Speaker 1: more time, Chuck Roberts. Well, she authored a lot of

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Speaker 1: romance suspense novels, a lot of young virile heroes. Got

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Speaker 1: The wrong hero, the wrong lover, wrong hero, wrong lover,

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Speaker 1: I'm totally gonna have to steal that now, Chuck Robberts

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Speaker 1: Fulton County Medical Examiner, doctor Jan Gorniat. You know, doctor Gornia,

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Speaker 1: how to Murder Her Husband by Nancy Brothy, she writes,

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Speaker 1: don't know the caliber of the gun, right, so there's

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Speaker 1: a difference between the twenty two versus forty five, right,

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Speaker 1: So depending and those are the pieces of puzzle that

427
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Speaker 1: are missing. And that's what's so fantastic about medical, legal

428
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Speaker 1: and death investigation. It's a bunch of puzzle pieces where

429
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Speaker 1: we see parts of the picture. But once we have

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Speaker 1: all the pieces together, then we can see the total

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Speaker 1: picture and put it together. So depending, like you said, yes,

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Speaker 1: good pending on the gun and strip to the back

433
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Speaker 1: of the head could have been instantly fatal or depending

434
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Speaker 1: on how high up low, to the right up down.

435
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Speaker 1: It can make a world of a world of difference.

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Speaker 1: You know another, Kenya Johnson, I just wish that you

437
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Speaker 1: had a case like this. Listen to what else she writes, quote,

438
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Speaker 1: I find it it's easier to wish people dead than

439
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Speaker 1: to actually kill them. I don't want to worry about

440
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: blood and brains splattered on my walls. And really I'm

441
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: not good at remembering lies. Well, it wasn't on her walls.

442
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: It was at the culinary institute walls, so her home

443
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: was completely pristine. And who really sits around wishing somebody

444
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: was dead? Believe me, as you well know, Kenya Johnson.

445
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: I've had my plenty about most of them in court,

446
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: a few at TV Networks. But long story short, I

447
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: honestly do not sit around and have never wished somebody

448
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: dead or even really given it much thought. It's such

449
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: a huge waste of time. Well, it goes toward her disposition,

450
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: her thinking patterns. This is something that she clearly thought

451
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: about a lot, and this is something that she was

452
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: capable of doing. Me And see, you're in the crime

453
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: and punish that business if something helps them, forbid, we're

454
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: to ba ball your husband. The first person they would

455
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: look at is you because you've discussed crime all your

456
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: life or all your career, and so you would know

457
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: tricks and ways to get under the radar and to

458
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Speaker 1: perform certain acts. And so this is oh, Kenya, Kenya,

459
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: You're so funny. Because in my last novel, Murdering the Courthouse,

460
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to give the whole thing away, but

461
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: one person does make an unfortunate trip to Gatorland or

462
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Speaker 1: gator World and dies. Well this summer or last spring, right,

463
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: we went to what is it, Jackie not Disney, the

464
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: one beside Universal, Yes, Universal, and we just happened to

465
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Speaker 1: stop by Gatorland. David would not get within ten feet

466
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Speaker 1: from me the entire time. I wonder why, Hey, guys,

467
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: listen to this. He was really tough. He was really hard.

468
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: He would call out some of the flaws that you

469
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: had so you can correct them. There was a big

470
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: flood that came down here and it buried a bunch

471
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: of things. Knowledge, knowledge, beyond belief. You think you come

472
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: into culinary school like wide eyed, with like the stream

473
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Speaker 1: of being a chef, and he realizes, like, you can

474
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Speaker 1: do that, but there's a lot of things you need

475
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Speaker 1: to know in between. That guy speaking of murder. If

476
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Speaker 1: you have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers, do

477
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Speaker 1: not miss the new documentaries on Oxygen, The true story

478
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: of a teen girl, a cheerleader from Mississippi, burned alive

479
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: and the story of the man accused of the heinous crime.

480
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Speaker 1: Is the right guy on trial? Who is he? And

481
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Speaker 1: who is Jessica Chambers? How does such a horrific crime occur?

482
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Speaker 1: With more questions than answers, It is a case that

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Speaker 1: has captured national headlines, taken over social media, and leaving

484
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Speaker 1: a small town divided. It is a must see TV event,

485
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Speaker 1: Unspeakable Crime, The Killing of Jessica Chambers. It premiere is Saturday,

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Speaker 1: September fifteenth, seven sixth Central on Oxygen. New episodes every

487
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Speaker 1: Saturday on Oxygen, the new network for crime. Death by

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Speaker 1: Pineapple Chutney, peach chutney, rubarb ketchup Today. One cuisine for

489
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Speaker 1: the rest of my life, I would opt for Time Cuisine.

490
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: I think I'll look more professional. And you've got that

491
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: diameter of chicken breast all the way around, nice internal

492
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Speaker 1: varnish scattered through there. You know, the eye catches all

493
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: that color in shape as being more flavorful. Wow. If

494
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Speaker 1: I were not already married and had the twins, I

495
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Speaker 1: would totally hunt this guy down. Did you hear that,

496
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Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts, reporter with Crime online dot Com. He's talking

497
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Speaker 1: about his pineapple chutney, his homemade pineapple shutney, about whether

498
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Speaker 1: the chicken breast or the same size. I think that's

499
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Speaker 1: what he was talking about. I mean, look, asking about murder,

500
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Speaker 1: I'm fine, But for me cooking, you put it in

501
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: the crock pot and then somehow it turns out great

502
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: in about eight hours. Chuck, I would go after him,

503
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: but he's dead of a gunshot wound, with no burglary,

504
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Speaker 1: no robbery, theft from his body, no ransacking. His place

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Speaker 1: of business, the Oregan Culinary Institute. At eight thirty in

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Speaker 1: the morning. Somebody was waiting on him. I mean, typically

507
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: you don't see break ins and deaths of this manner.

508
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Speaker 1: Happened first thing in the morning. That's usually happening after midnight. So,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts, what happens now? You've got to find a motive.

510
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Speaker 1: Why did she do it? Why did she plan this?

511
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Speaker 1: What was her Did she have an alibi? Was it

512
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: because he was more successful than she was? Insurance inheritance,

513
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: spiking her book sales. How did she think she could

514
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Speaker 1: get away with it assuming she's guilty. Well, another thing

515
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: to Ashley Wilcot, as you well know, and we've discussed

516
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: many times, the state has no burden to prove a motive.

517
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: We don't have to crawl into a killer's mind and

518
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Speaker 1: stomp around in there in the darkness and the killer's

519
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: brain and figure out why. Although practically speaking, Ashley, juries

520
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: want to hear that motive, sure, but they don't have to.

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00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: Like you said, it just got to show that you

522
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Speaker 1: have the intent to kill the person. That doesn't matter

523
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Speaker 1: why you into the guild of person. And so in

524
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Speaker 1: this particular case, who knows what her motive is? I

525
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Speaker 1: stand by living in a romance model. I mean, I

526
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Speaker 1: just don't think there's going to be any motive that

527
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Speaker 1: we can discover. And who cares? Why If a criminal

528
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Speaker 1: person does it, and there's evidence to proof beyond a

529
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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, why doesn't matter? Nancy?

530
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: What about it? Kenny Johnson? Motive necessary? Not necessary? But

531
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Speaker 1: if the police keep digging, get gonna find something either

532
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: in the novel and the finances and something she said,

533
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: and it always helps the jury if they know why

534
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: the defendant killed the victim. Well another issue to doctor

535
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. We hear in her writing. We read in

536
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Speaker 1: her writings, even if you marry for money, shouldn't it

537
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: all be yours? Why would you want to give up

538
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: everything you've got a lot of husbands go missing on

539
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: cruise ships. Why not yours? And you know what, maybe

540
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: even if they had very little money, she would still

541
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: have wanted to keep it all for herself. But you

542
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: know what, Hey, people kill over the strangest things. Maybe

543
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: he forgot to drop an extra strawberry into her class

544
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: of champagne. Maybe the soufflet didn't rise, Maybe he did

545
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: not serve her perfectly. Maybe he deviated from the script

546
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Speaker 1: of her romance novel. You know it can you know,

547
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: people kill over minor things, not major things. You know,

548
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: the stories that make it onto your show, you know,

549
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: are often, you know, when there's a huge insurance policy,

550
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: or there's a fight over who owns the house or

551
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: something like that. But what I see in my clinical

552
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: practice is it's the small, simmering resentments that build up

553
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: over time, and it's the wish to wall off the

554
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: other person instead of seeing them as a whole human

555
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: being with thoughts and feelings and motivations of their own.

556
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Speaker 1: And you know, one final thing, this is a study

557
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: in contrast these two. She lives in a fantasy world.

558
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: He's in reality. He looks at what's on the plate.

559
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: He looks at the diameter of the chicken breast, he

560
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: looks at the garnishes. He has a scientific methodology behind

561
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Speaker 1: the cooking. He cares about his students. I would think

562
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Speaker 1: that at a very unconscious level, she's envious of him

563
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: because he's a more evolved human being than she is.

564
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, he's a lot nicer, he's a lot more accomplished,

565
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Speaker 1: and he's living a better life than she has. Well,

566
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Speaker 1: you know what's interesting, You know when you take into

567
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Speaker 1: the human dynamic. Brothi's mother, Karen Brophy, says the family

568
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: is and shock at the fact her daughter in law suspected.

569
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: And we also learned that they are saying. We're not

570
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: swayed by the allegations against her. None of us believe it.

571
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's just not true. People that know the

572
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: couple are shocked because they saw no suggestion of any

573
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Speaker 1: type of problem between them. A neighbor Heidie Hutchinson, who

574
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: lives near them, says that she, the suspect, said just

575
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Speaker 1: this summer, just said her husband's death had lingered and

576
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: a move seemed her best chance at escape. She said

577
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Speaker 1: his side of the bedroom was haunting her and the

578
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: memory of him was upsetting her, and she wanted to

579
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: move very quickly and get out of the house. What

580
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Speaker 1: does that mean, doctor Bethany, Because I tried to hold

581
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Speaker 1: on to every single object, lock of hair, everything I had,

582
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Speaker 1: of my fiances and of my dad's So this tells

583
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: me that she is still writing her romance novel right

584
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: Because she says his side of the bed is haunting me.

585
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: That has such an idealized quality to it, because, as

586
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: you just pointed out, when a loved one dies, you

587
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: want to hold on to every single piece of that

588
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: person as long as possible. I've had patients tell me

589
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: after they've lost a spouse or a child that they

590
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: will sleep with that person's t shirt just because it

591
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: has the smell of that person on them. But this perpetrator,

592
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: this alleged perpetrator, is still living in the fantasy world

593
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: that everybody is going to cling to every word that

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00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: she's writing, even if it's on Facebook and not in

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00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: a novel anymore, that his side of the bedroom is

596
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: haunting her. So one of the things that I know

597
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: to be true in my field is that reality is curative.

598
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: If a person does not have a preference for reality,

599
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: then they are very pathological. And what I see is,

600
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: despite all these adverse circumstances, despite the fact of appending charges,

601
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: that this alleged perpetrator is still living in a reality world.

602
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: I wonder what that reality, if that reality or that

603
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: fantasy world, is going to come crashing in once she's

604
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: behind bars. You know, another issue to Ashley Wilcott the

605
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: mindset it takes to shoot someone you know and have loved,

606
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: whether you still love them or not, in the face

607
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: or in the head versus in the chest. You know, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I can't even and I didn't mean to interrupt you, Nancy,

609
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: I apologize. I just get excited because I can't even imagine.

610
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Speaker 1: Even though I'm a judge on the fence and watch

611
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: trials and hear all the evidence of the crimes that

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00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: are committed, I cannot imagine the mindset that you would

613
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: have to have to kill someone, to shoot them in

614
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: the chest and kill them dead, much less your husband

615
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: want to kill our husband. Nancy. Let's admit there are

616
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: times that I think, oh my gosh, I'm gonna kill

617
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: him if he does that one more time. But we're

618
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: not literally going to kill them. I cannot imagine the mindset.

619
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Speaker 1: And again, these gases are outliers. Not everybody's going to

620
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Speaker 1: murder or shoot their husband. And I just have to say,

621
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Speaker 1: even with the outline cases, I don't understand the mindset

622
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Speaker 1: to say, hey, I'm going to shoot this person. I'm

623
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: going to murder this person. But I think that's what

624
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: happened here. Listen to this. It is a twist that

625
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: Dan Brophy students and friends say has them stunned. Tonight,

626
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: friends of chef Dan Brophy, rocked by his killing, are

627
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: now reeling with the allegation that Brophy's wife murdered sixty

628
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: three year old Nancy Crampton. Brophy showed no emotions during

629
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Speaker 1: her brief court appearance watching the proceedings over the domestic

630
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: violence murder charges involving her husband unfold That from KATU

631
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Speaker 1: TV in Portland, We wait as justice unfalls Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: crime story signing off good Bye friend,