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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolboxes of production of shondol and Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with our Heart Radio. Yes, Katie, gee, Katie, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's happening. Oh man, we are actually here. We're doing

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Speaker 1: the Scandal rewatch podcast, unpacking the toolbox together together. I mean,

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I am very excited to rewatch episodes,

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Speaker 1: which we have to tell you guys how it's been going.

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Speaker 1: And we've been wanting to do a rewatch podcast and

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Speaker 1: hang out with our fans. Are gladiators who we have

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Speaker 1: missed for far too long. But really, this is just

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Speaker 1: my excuse to hang out with my favorite person on

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Speaker 1: the planet. Same. We just want to hang out together

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Speaker 1: so we could talk shit and reminisce about one of

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Speaker 1: the best shows on television. Yes, do you remember when

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Speaker 1: the last time you watched like a Scandal episode? Are

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Speaker 1: you kidding? Okay, First of all, it has been ten years.

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Speaker 1: We just celebrated the tenure anniversary of the pilot area.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. I don't think I have watched like I

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Speaker 1: don't think I've watched any episodes of you. I don't

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Speaker 1: think so either. You know, there was a moment there

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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't I wouldn't stay. I would be I

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Speaker 1: I have to say again, like the biggest when I

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Speaker 1: was like, we're doing this scandal rewatch podcast. It's called

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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox, which, let's just take a moment. That

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Speaker 1: is a freaking great title. It is the best title.

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Speaker 1: I love it so much. It's so hucking Quinn. It's

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Speaker 1: so Huckleberry Quinn. It's so right for the Gladiators, the

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Speaker 1: o G Gladiators. You know about our toolbox, you know

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Speaker 1: about Huck and his tools. It's great. Okay, so I'm

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Speaker 1: packing the toolbox and there's a toolbox emoji now on

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Speaker 1: Instagram there's a toolbox emoji. So Gladiators, suit the fuck up.

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Speaker 1: Tell your friends about this fucking podcast, and make sure

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Speaker 1: you put the toolbox emoji when you do something. But

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Speaker 1: right quick, I was like mostly excited to hang out

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Speaker 1: with you. Because I'm obsessed with you and I think

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Speaker 1: you're the most special, perfect human and ever born, which

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Speaker 1: quinnin Huk had a very special connection. But I was

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Speaker 1: most freaked out about going back and watching the episodes.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, I was freaked out

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Speaker 1: I hate watching myself. You couldn't pay me. Well, you

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Speaker 1: like as ten years too long or too short, Like

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Speaker 1: And because of this podcast going back and rewatching these episodes,

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Speaker 1: But we were so in it when we were making

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Speaker 1: critically as claim shows right now, and Scandal is just

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Speaker 1: as good, if not better. Hew yourself a favor. Listen

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Speaker 1: Every episode is going to be such a fucking good time.

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Speaker 1: talk about every single amazing actor, guest star, co star,

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Speaker 1: Scandal fam is all back together again exactly agains all

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Speaker 1: the first podcast we've ever done. We are going back

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Speaker 1: in time. It's the ten year anniversary since the pilot

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Speaker 1: back to where you were in your life before Huck,

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Speaker 1: like I had been working, but not at the level

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Speaker 1: can hear about me and Garmo's affair. Um, I am

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Speaker 1: Olivia takes us in. But we also got the best scoop,

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Speaker 1: like me and me and you always had the scoop. Remember,

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Speaker 1: Rewatch podcast, Garmo and I can talk for a hundred

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Speaker 1: Unpacking the toolbox off and running to the races we

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Speaker 1: have got. Episode one on one, titled Sweet Baby, It

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Speaker 1: aired on April five in two thousand twelve. It was

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Speaker 1: written by Shanna Rhymes and it was directed by the

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Speaker 1: brilliant Paul McGuigan. Guest starring Wes Brown, is Selly st James, Amy,

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Speaker 1: Kay Harmon is Ario Massey, Brian Resmussen is Howie, Alan

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Speaker 1: you gladiators listening know that one of the most important

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Speaker 1: key elements of the special sauce that made Scandal scandal

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Speaker 1: was the scandal pace at which we told story. So

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Speaker 1: let us warm your ears up and your heart's up

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Speaker 1: by telling you weekly the synopsis of each episode that

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Speaker 1: the synopsis of that episode in Scandal paste give it

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Speaker 1: to him. Let's give it to him. When Quinn Perkins

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Speaker 1: James stumbles into the office, distraught and covered in the

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Speaker 1: been a while. G and I. We need to do

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Speaker 1: our vocal warming. Leather bands his fist against the post.

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Speaker 1: So we'll jog your memories. Every episode will tell you

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Speaker 1: the synopsis in Scandal Pace and some episodes we're going

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Speaker 1: to have guests. Some episodes we ain't gonna have guests.

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Speaker 1: But this episode we got to guest, and now we

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Speaker 1: excited the Queen of Television. For the inaugural episode, we

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Speaker 1: because this is a great wine Shanda, can you tell

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Speaker 1: gonna bring up what you brought up before, like like

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00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: the casting process for the rest of the of the cast.

427
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: I remember for going in for Houck and I remember

428
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: getting this gides and being like super piste off that

429
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: I was even being considered for this because I think

430
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: the character was described as like in his like fifties,

431
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: like mid fifties. I was like, I was like thirty

432
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: nine at the time, and I was like, now I'm

433
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: fifty one, I'm like the new twenty like, but at

434
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: the time, I was like, what the fun they wanted?

435
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: Why you like, how dare you think I'm fifty? Yeah?

436
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: I just felt I wasn't right for I remember going

437
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: into the audition to to read for for you Shawnda

438
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: and for Linda Loewey, and I think there was somebody

439
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: else in the room and just being like gonna do

440
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: do my best, and and you wrote this like brilliant

441
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: monologue and the character was obsessed with like little figurines

442
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: that were all over his desk. I don't know if

443
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: you remember that. Yeah, I had to write something just

444
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: to cast the role because I didn't say much and

445
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: I knew that eventually he would. Yeah, I knew eventually

446
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: he would. So I wrote this monologue. Oh it was

447
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: so good. And then so I did the monologue and

448
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: then we just all kind of sat there in silence

449
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: for a minute, and you looked at me and said,

450
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: you're a very interesting actor. Like I remember that so clearly,

451
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: and I was like thank you, and then I left.

452
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: And then you know, another odd thing that happened with

453
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: casting you was that you you cast I think most

454
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: of us, at least me, after just one audition. There

455
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of fanfare. You you know, we didn't

456
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: test for it, but you just knew. And the fact

457
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: that you got this whole cast together that has such

458
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: amazing chemistry and it all just freaking was it was

459
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: so special, Like but I know Kate Katie's stories like

460
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: Katie stories crazy. But didn't you first tell her that

461
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: she didn't get it? So they called me in and

462
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to test and they say, Shanda says, um,

463
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: you can see this on the behind the scenes DVD

464
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: of season that's right, that's right, see my audition. She

465
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: gave me the part and I cried, real, real, ugly cried,

466
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: and I loved it so much. It was like it

467
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: was like the most fun thing I ever got to

468
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: do is to deliver good news to somebody, you know.

469
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: It was just love. And then I said, what am

470
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: I supposed to do? When you said someone's going to

471
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: call you and there's going to be a wardrobe fitting

472
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: and there's going to be a table read, I was like,

473
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: there's gonna be okay. I didn't first tell her that

474
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: she didn't get it. What I said was she came

475
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: in to do the test, and then we brought her

476
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: in the room and we already had the camera rolling,

477
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: and I said, Kittie, you're you know, I just wanted

478
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: to let you know you're not going to be able

479
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: to test for this part. And she was like just

480
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 1: so politely, like like trying really hard, and you can

481
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: see her dying a little bit inside, and I was like,

482
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: you Gause, We're just gonna give it to you, and

483
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: she was like she's like went crazy. It was. It

484
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: was so much fun. I've never I mean, that's your

485
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, you've won the lottery, you know you've here's

486
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: your car and your I mean it was insane. It

487
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: was so but even bigger than that because it had

488
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: been something I'd wanted and worked for. I think when

489
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: I was twenty three or something, I said to someone,

490
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: I just want to work with Shonda Rye, Like, oh

491
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: my god, my start. But Shanna, most actors have to

492
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: go through nine like like pre reads, callbacks, producers, tests,

493
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: different sides, different looks, where's something else? Come meet this person?

494
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: It is awful, and then you start to shoot the

495
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: show and there's like not really that much chemistry or

496
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: this show is not that great after all that bs,

497
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's a good point. Yeah,

498
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: you put in all that work and then you're like,

499
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: uh no. For me, it was like I knew, and

500
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: I'm very honest, I knew when I saw you, like

501
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: what I was like, this is perfect, Like this is

502
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: exactly what I was looking for when I said same

503
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: with kat. I knew when I saw her that was

504
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: exactly what we're waiting for. And because she was newer, um,

505
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: the network was like she needs to test. And then

506
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Linda Lolowe and I went at the network and we're like,

507
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: we're not doing it, Like we're not doing that, Like

508
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: the only person who's getting getting offered this part. I

509
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: used a lot of I'm not making this pilot a

510
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: lot to get what I wanted, which is not very mature.

511
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: I love it, and I talked about this all the time.

512
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: So for you listening, Shanda is usually not on set

513
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: because she's really busy writing. Were a new number of

514
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: other reasons, um, But for our pilot, which I think

515
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: took three two or three weeks to make, Shonda was

516
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: there for every single frame we shot nights, it was cold.

517
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: We were in a really dank, downtown cool place that

518
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: we then built and made into Olivia Pope and associates

519
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: on a stage. Do you have any what are your

520
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: memories from being there? For those I mean we were

521
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: up all night loopy, Yeah, yeah, I remember like one.

522
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: I remember being there to make sure everybody talked fast

523
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: enough you know what I mean. It was really my

524
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: big word is everyone's not going to talk fast enough.

525
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: And part of that talk fast enough was simply that

526
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: I had written a really long pilot. You were like,

527
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: y'all gotta talk quick. We're not cutting this out. Yeah.

528
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: I feel like the pace of this show, like the

529
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: pace of how these people live their lives. You know,

530
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: White House could be slower, but Pulpit Associates was like

531
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: this speeding thing, and I wanted to happen. I mean,

532
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: it was so interesting because I just met Paul mcwigan.

533
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know him. I just had loved his pilot

534
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: Sherlock and the work he's done there, and we talked

535
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: for a long time. But I was also there to

536
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: like sort of go like, what what's he doing, what's

537
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: he choosing to do? What's the look going to be?

538
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: Because I really don't Yeah, I don't talk in visuals.

539
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: I really just you know, talking story and what I'm thinking.

540
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: And so to watch him translate that was great, you know,

541
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: it was really great experience. Yeah, I have in my

542
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: notes one of the one of the other characters on

543
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: the show was were these panels that are our DP

544
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: started to incorporate into shooting, do you remember, Katie. Like

545
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: we would do our traditional coverage of the scene and

546
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: then somebody would call out panels, and then they would

547
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: bring out these sort of beveled pieces of thick glass

548
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: and they would stand the characters be behind these glasses,

549
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: and the camera would sort of you know, travel, you know,

550
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: side side to side, and it just gave it this

551
00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: like sexy, like sort of dangerous like look, yeah, voyeuristic. Ill, yeah,

552
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: that's so true. And the colors like what they created,

553
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: the dark blues and grays, and like it just seemed

554
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: really not poppy. It didn't seem bright at all. It

555
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: seemed sort of like underground, like all this stuff we

556
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 1: were going and gore and like you mentioned, Katie, are

557
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: are where we shot the pilot. It was this amazing

558
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: location in downtown l A. And there were these these

559
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: cracked pieces of of windows that which which now looking

560
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: back at the watching the show again, watching it back,

561
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I was thinking, it's so symbolic of all the cast

562
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 1: of characters, right, because we're all cracked and broken and leaking.

563
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: Like I remember, we would have to put photos up

564
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: on those pieces of glass, and sometimes it was a

565
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: struggle because it was raining outside and they had to

566
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get the pictures to stick

567
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: because there were all these cracks. And then they created

568
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: that on the stages. Oh, it was so wonderful. They

569
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: replicated that so beautifully. That freaks me out how well

570
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: they did that. Yes, Oh my god, everybody. And you

571
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: know what's cool. Everyone really stuck with it, like seven years.

572
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't you know, we just really didn't have a

573
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: lot of turnover in terms of like head of wardrobe production,

574
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Like everyone believed in it. And I don't know how

575
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: you built this team. I know you've talked about this

576
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: like a no asshole policy, but like it really felt

577
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: like the cast and the crew was just a machine.

578
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: Like we were so tight. We still are. I mean

579
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: it's really when I see someone from Scandal, like a

580
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: Mary Howard or Line producing or Tom Erricker producing director

581
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: or someone I'm emotional like I'm it really felt like

582
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: a family early on. How did you do that? One?

583
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: I think Betsy and I did our homework. At least

584
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: two people had to say you weren't an asshole for

585
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: us to hire you. At least to two outside people

586
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: had to vouch for like your personality or who you

587
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: were as a person, because you know, people are always

588
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: lovely to me, but then I find out that they're

589
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: horrible to the p A s or there. You know,

590
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, that creates a bad set. And then we

591
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 1: had Mary Howard, who I've learned, if you want your

592
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: set to run the way you would run your set,

593
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: find somebody who shares the same mindset as you. And

594
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: Mary was all about creating like a family environment and

595
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: a comfortable environment for every working and making everybody feel valued.

596
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: And then we got Lin Paulo to do the costumes,

597
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: and she was already somebody that you know, I had

598
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: been really into and loving her work, and it was

599
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: great to get her too, So it was it was

600
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: just this nice building process. I still work with Lind

601
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: to this day. Everyone told me, because I was sort

602
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: of the baby that like, you know, you really better

603
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: enjoy this because this, you know, the Tony is and

604
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: the Jeff's like, this is this is rare. This is

605
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle. Like we've had very long careers

606
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: and we've moved from group to group and cast to cast,

607
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: and this is so magical. We used to get all

608
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: the press used to come up to us and be like,

609
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: come on, like each other, Come on, this cannot be real,

610
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it is real. I don't know what

611
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: to tell you. We're obsessed with each other. We go

612
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: to events and we only talk to each other. We

613
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: don't even want to talk to anybody else. We also

614
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: had so many amazing moments outside of of shooting the show, Like,

615
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: we went to so many events, and one memory that's

616
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: that's stuck out. I think Katie and I talked about

617
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: this a few days ago, was we went to this

618
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: GLAD Awards event where myself, Katie, and Carrie were presenting

619
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: an award to you. Shanda was a GLAD Award. I

620
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: forget uh. And we had so much fun. And I

621
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: know the thing that sticks out for me is we

622
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: were after the awards. We were on the dance floor

623
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: just dancing it up with you and me and and

624
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: Katie and my boyfriend Mike was there and at one

625
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: point broke. I don't think I ever told you this, Katie,

626
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: or maybe I did, but at one point we're dancing

627
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: Shaunda and this dude sort of shimmy's up and saddles

628
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: up in front of me and starts dancing and he's

629
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: getting a little flirty and you walked up to him

630
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: and you said, he got a man. Do you remember that?

631
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: And I remember at that moment thinking, oh my god,

632
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: this is such a down woman, like she's got my back.

633
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. But also cut to like

634
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: later on that night, me and Mike you had a

635
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: three something with that guy. Really, yes, yes, but but

636
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: me and Mike still talk about it to this day.

637
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: Mike adores you, and he was like, oh my god,

638
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: I fucking love Shawnda this. She did that and stepped

639
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: in and was like, no, he's got a minute. It

640
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: was so amazing. Um. So we do the pilot and

641
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: then we wait to hear about if we're going to

642
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: get a season one, and we get six episode order.

643
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: How did you feel about that? I was pissed. I mean,

644
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: I will just say that I was pissed. I was like,

645
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: did I not deliver you know, a hundred episodes of

646
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: scandal for I mean, grazing atomy for you? Did I

647
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: not give you a hundred episodes of private practice? Like?

648
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Why the fuck? And I was mad? I was really mad,

649
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: but I was also like, it's gonna keep going. And

650
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: so we had fun writing it that season because we

651
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: knew that we were like sort of writing the hell

652
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: out of the show for our lives, like get it

653
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: all in there just in case. But I also loved it,

654
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: so I was like, they're gonna, they're gonna pick it up.

655
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: Do you remember when the show was called was it

656
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: when the show was called Damage Control? Remember that it

657
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: wasn't the real name though, that was the name you

658
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: put on spots. You know, I didn't know that either.

659
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: I thought damage Control was the name that just didn't

660
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: get approved by the studio or not. No idea. I

661
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: learned that after you know Gray's that after that that

662
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: we called that the entitled to Rmes project called Practice

663
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: the entitled Tomes Project, And I was like, I need

664
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: a name that doesn't have my name, and you know

665
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I wanted to try to build

666
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: it out. I think now all of our shows have

667
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: code names. When I had no idea that it, damage

668
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: Control was just like a placeholder. And I think Quinn

669
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: Perkins was Quinn Riley and Harrison wasn't Harrison, right? It

670
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: was Harrison. Yeah. It was once I got to know

671
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: you guys that I decided where your last names were

672
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: I love it. Can we can we talk about like

673
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: rewatching the show. Me and Katie keep texting each other

674
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh my god, this show is so

675
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: freaking good. And but one one person that sticks out

676
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: for us is Columbus Short because he is like freaking

677
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: like magic on this show and it's just such a

678
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: thrill to watch him work, right, Katie, He's like genius

679
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: in front of the camera. Like I absolutely loved writing

680
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: for him and watching him work because he was he

681
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: was genius behind the camera. I mean in front of

682
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: the camera. The stuff he would do and it's just

683
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: the little tiny things were so great. Phone making A

684
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: did it like some sound with his Like he was

685
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: so musical and rhythmic, and which worked so well with

686
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: Scandal because you wrote such musical scripts where pace was

687
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: such a had such a musicality that he just leaned

688
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: into that and he had such a talent for that.

689
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: Huntil you were great. I remember watching you two the

690
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: first time doing that scene. It was great. I had

691
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: never been so nervous in my life, but you know,

692
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: he was nervous. He was very nervous. He was putting

693
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: on a front for me of being like I'm cool.

694
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm cool, and I'm like, you are shipping bricks, dude,

695
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: Like this is Shonda Rhymes is sitting over there and

696
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: Betsy Beers is sitting over there, and I think they

697
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: have a stop watch and we need to be cool

698
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: and we need to get this and it was absolutely terrifying.

699
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: Is it true that did you audition Columbus or is

700
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: he like the one actor that did not audition? I

701
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: thought I had heard something about that. I feel like

702
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: he was offered it, but maybe I'm wrong. That's what

703
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: I had heard too. You know, I feel like he

704
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: came in an auditioned, or at least came in and

705
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: met Oh. I think I know that he came in

706
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: and then the like like everybody else, I just knew

707
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: that he was right. Yeah, we thought when we you

708
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: were Now that we're embarking on the Scandal rewatch podcast,

709
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox, I'm so excited to hang out with

710
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: our Scandal family is really the point. And honestly, I'm

711
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: going to be real, real, honest right now, I was like,

712
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: the only thing I really don't want to do is

713
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: watch Scandal because I'm scared that I'm haveing to watch

714
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: something and I don't think I'm good or look at

715
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: what I used to look like, or look at it.

716
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're just it's all wrapped up in actor

717
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: bull crap and like whatever. And I don't know if

718
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be fun for me to do this.

719
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: I could not be more wrong. It's so much fun. Yeah.

720
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: I have experience of feeling like I've never actually seen

721
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: the show that everybody talks about because I was always

722
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: writing in or one episode ahead or editing one episode behind,

723
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: like and it was I was too worried about like

724
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: making everything perfect, so I couldn't really like I could

725
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: watch the show when we were all together and we

726
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: were like, you know, doing our Yeah, but I couldn't

727
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: watch it just like on my own, like it was

728
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: too much. And so when I sat down to watch again,

729
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: which was not that long. I'm probably right a little

730
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: bit before you started watching it again, it was surreal

731
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: because I could actually like see and enjoy the stories

732
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: that were told some of the some of the stories

733
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: have been so funny. I was like, that's what happened.

734
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, right to say when they say like

735
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: thorn Gate and like all these things, I don't even

736
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: think I understood what the hell was going on? Like

737
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: it's really this has been such a gift. This podcast

738
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: is such a gift, and all of you gladiators who

739
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: are listening right now, like, give yourself the gift of

740
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: going back and watching the show, or if you've never

741
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: seen it, tell a friend to watch it, because the

742
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: show holds up. It is better than all the shows.

743
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: And I'm taking myself out of it. I'm saying when

744
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: I just sit and watch like Carrie Washington and Tony

745
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: Goldwin do their thing. I mean, because what's cool about

746
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: the show. There's a white House half and there's an

747
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: opa A half, so I can you know, I'm watching

748
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: the show. I don't really remember the opay stuff. But

749
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: then there's a whole part of the show that I

750
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with, and it so freaking good.

751
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe what you made, Johonna.

752
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: I can't. But also you have to remember that, like

753
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: I had this the writing the writing staff for that

754
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: show was like every best writer I had ever worked with.

755
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: That was really what that was. How did you people

756
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: in johnn stay? They tend to stay because ay, they

757
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: know they're gonna have a job, but be like they

758
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: tend to stay because they I hope that they liked

759
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: it there. But what happened was is we'd have like

760
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: we'd have like Sevy who went to m I T

761
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: and was like telling us all the technical stuff we had.

762
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: We had a journalist Matt had been a journalist, you know,

763
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: on the press pool, and tell us all that stuff

764
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: and the things that that room came up with just

765
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: by themselves. I'd I'd leave and I'd come back to

766
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: the room and I'd be like, holy crap, that's amazing.

767
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: Like they just had a gift for building that show.

768
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: It was brilliant, brilliant minds that were just again sort

769
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: of like the cast, they just really and most of

770
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: them stuck with us. I mean when we when we've

771
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: been doing research on the show. In the series, I mean,

772
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm reading names of writers and directors who you've taken

773
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: from a million episodes of Scandal. But then I worked

774
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: with most of them on inventing Anna, Like you know

775
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's really um even even guest stars,

776
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: guest stars that came on Scandal. When I would do

777
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: research and google people for for the podcast and be like,

778
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, they did a bunch of Grays episodes,

779
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of Private Practice episodes like yeah, like you said,

780
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: they keep they you bring them back, it's and they

781
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: want to keep coming back. I like to work with

782
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: people who I like to work with, you know what

783
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Like if I've had a great experience with you,

784
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean I work with Jeff Perry like any day

785
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: of the week, every day. Yeah, you know what I mean?

786
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: Like so would all of us? Right, God, Mr Magood

787
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: that he had to play such a different character than

788
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: he played before and was like so amazing. Yes, And

789
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: him at the table reads he has like eight thousand glasses,

790
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: like he's near sighted and far sighted. I don't know

791
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: what's going on, and he has to hold his cell

792
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: phone as script test to be a certain way. But

793
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is it all looks wild and then

794
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: you sit down for the table read and you're getting

795
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: a three D and fifty dollar ticket front row seed

796
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: to a Broadway show where is even his table read

797
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: acting is epic, epic and just absolutely incredible. I'm gonna

798
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: say this. I remember the episode where he gives that

799
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: long monologue to Fits about what's going to happen to

800
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: him if he lets go check out that pencil that

801
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: your father deaveut and you're gonna shoot yourself like that

802
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: whole thing, And I was I remember the table read

803
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: being like I wrote that, Holy sh it. I never

804
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be that. Like, never it

805
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: was going to be that. I had a lot of

806
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: that with you guys, though. I had a lot of

807
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: experiences where I was like, they just elevated the material

808
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: in a crazy amazing way. How did you know that

809
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: monologues we're going to work on the show? I mean,

810
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: monologues are very rare. I I don't think I've ever

811
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: seen TV shows with the amount of you know, you

812
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: would have a character talk, single space page for to page,

813
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, but in a lot of ways, because you

814
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: said everything so fast, it didn't make it work, because

815
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: there was none of that like overacting that people accidentally

816
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: do when they have a monologue, or the long pauses

817
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: that they think means something like you guys just threw

818
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: yourselves into it. We're so natural about it totally. Who

819
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: came up with the camera shutter sound, I don't even remember.

820
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: I think mcgwigan came up with it with the editor

821
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: in the editor directors cut. I'm pretty sure because it

822
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: was already there. It was already there when I got it.

823
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you have to ask Scott Collins, who

824
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: does all our post production. He will remember exactly. Oh,

825
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: we have to have him on, we have to have

826
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: him on. But that is so iconic whenever I heard like, yeah, yeah,

827
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: did you know the music was going to be like seventies? Yeah,

828
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: Like it was the music I was listening to while

829
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: writing the pilot. I listened to a lot of Stevie

830
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: Wonder and I listened to a lot of ARMETHA. Franklin

831
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: and I don't know, Like Washington is such a it's

832
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: such a political city, but it's also like a very

833
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: black city, do you know what I mean? Like the

834
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: population of people of color is huge, And it felt

835
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: like there was like that was the soul of Washington

836
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: to me, Like it felt well and it resonated me.

837
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: And I enjoyed using that music. And I love how

838
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: the music sort of plays against what's happening on screen,

839
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because Huck will be Huckey

840
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: Quinn will be torturing someone you're hearing, you know, like

841
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: be like yeah, like the Temptations or whatever. So it

842
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: works so so well no. We would always say when

843
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: we would start to like solve a case at O

844
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: T A, I would always be like at ther or

845
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: like very superstitious, you know, just be like like this

846
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: is what's going to come on right now. And it

847
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: was so iconic. I think I use literally every last

848
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: one of Cebe Wonder songs in the show, and almost

849
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: without without with the exception of like her True like

850
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: gospel Church singing, every last one. I read the Franklin songs,

851
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: are you kidding? I love that? Didn't Stevie Wonder write

852
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: something specifically for Scandal At the very end, he wrote

853
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: the song for the finale. And when you keep talking

854
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: about the finale, I will come back on and tells Wonder,

855
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: which was insanely amazing. I mean, just to do You're

856
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to come on and tell us about the

857
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: ending of the show. We'll be right back, guys. Things

858
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: that were in the middle of the seven years get

859
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: a little mushy, and I'm so excited to be watching

860
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: these episodes again to remind myself of what was going on.

861
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: But what stuck so much in my head is the pilot.

862
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: I can it's and then the finale. I just remember

863
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: so much about the beginning and the end of this show,

864
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: and a few episodes I remember really vividly, um, just

865
00:44:54,360 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: really vividly UM. That episode so dear to me and

866
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: I I was so proud of it and the way

867
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: it came out and the work everybody did. That was

868
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: a big one. Yeah. That was another one that you

869
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: came to set and you sat on set for those

870
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: monologues that every character did to to Huk and I

871
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: remember all of us being like, well, I was like,

872
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: I just got to sit on the ground and keep repeating.

873
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: Y'all got to remember, like you know, f you, I

874
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: got my monologue at six pm the night before and

875
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: I was first up. I used to take hits like

876
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: that all the time. But honestly, I was so I

877
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: was like I can do it. Like I can do it,

878
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: you know. Like they used to call me the closer

879
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: because I was the youngest, and they would give me

880
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: the like eleven pm scene on a Friday night. Didn't

881
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: give that to Jeff, give it to me. I can

882
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: do it. I can do it. But Shaunda, what were

883
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: your other episodes that you that sort of stick out

884
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: the remember Um the trail Um to oh eight Happy birthday, Mr. President,

885
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: where we shot the President. Oh my gosh, that was

886
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: one of my most favorite things that we did, just

887
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: because of what I got to do with the information

888
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: of what happens when the president is shot, and because

889
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: of just the paint it played out for everybody, which

890
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: was so great, and what happened to talk and all

891
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: that stuff. White Hats back on, which was the finale

892
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: of season two where at the end she says, Dad, Dad, Yeah,

893
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: remember that the public reading we did during while the

894
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: finale was airing. We did you guys did a reading

895
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: like in front of an audience. Yeah. Every single person

896
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: that I've talked to that was in the audience that night,

897
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: who was like friends or family or Adam, my husband,

898
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: they remember it as one of the most special and

899
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: out of body like theater experiences they've ever had. When

900
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: we were reading the script, Joe Morton, Olivia Pope says

901
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: dad to pop U Pope and came out of their seats.

902
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember Debbie Allen being like, oh

903
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: Dee Allen's up and the audience was screaming, pointing at us.

904
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,959
Speaker 1: We were pointing at them. Everybody was screaming. I lost

905
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: my voice for like a month. It was so great

906
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: and so special. I also remember the abortion episode. Oh,

907
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: that's on my list, that's on my list. That's that

908
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: Christmas episode. Babe, it's cold outside. That was my It

909
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: was but also because of what like it was our

910
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: Christmas episode and we got to watch Mellie filibuster and

911
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: like it just felt like we were already women in

912
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: so many different ways. It was great, And because you know,

913
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: I feel like I write a show where I'm deconstructing

914
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: what love is, like I'm trying to rip the lid

915
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: off the fairy tale. And what's funny is is that

916
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: everybody buys the fairy tale when I tell it every time,

917
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: and then when I ripped the lid off, and they're like,

918
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He isn't happy? Like did you

919
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: not see the way he treats her? Like stuff? And

920
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: also that's real life, right, Like real life isn't tied

921
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: up in a pretty bow. Yeah. No, they're not fairy tales.

922
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: It's just not fairy tales. Randy read super freaking Julia.

923
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: Do you remember that one that was That was when

924
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: Olivia comes back and you have, first of all, you

925
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: have the Harrison's funeral um hawk is working as like

926
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: an Apple genius or something. That's right. That's right, Katie.

927
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: Your character was the only one trying to like pull

928
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: everybody together. Yes, I remember that you would become like

929
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: a mini Olivia. Pope, you become like a mini Olivia.

930
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: I loved that episode. That made me really happening. I

931
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: can't wait to get to all these episodes. I can't

932
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: even stand it. On chair, run chair and run when

933
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: she gets unapped. That was amazing episode. The guest stars

934
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: and the stories that you tell us a little bit

935
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: about how you always felt, and we always felt like

936
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: you you in the writer's room more ahead of the

937
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: news cycle, like why would you write something? And then

938
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: some ship would happen and we would be like wait what, Well,

939
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: part of that is that, like the people in my

940
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: room were crazy intelligent, and so they would they would

941
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: like extrapolate something to its extreme degree and be like,

942
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: what if there was this thorn Gate thing that was

943
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: spying at everybody through their computers in their phone And

944
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: we were like, that can never happened, and so he

945
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: was like, technically it can, and tell us all why

946
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: I could, and then we'd do it. And then literally

947
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: we'd find out that that's something that actually happened. They

948
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: unveiled that they had done something like that. There were

949
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: so many times that happened, with so many different stories,

950
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: and it was so weird to us because we felt

951
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: like we were making up the crazies stuff we could

952
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: think of, and then it was just yeah, it got

953
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: when we had to. We were making up like crazy

954
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: presidential candidates, and then that stuff happened. But yes, yes,

955
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: Hollis Doyle, it was great. You know, we've we've heard

956
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: some of your most memorable episodes of the series. But

957
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: she and I have some questions that came up from

958
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: watching the pilot. First of all, where does gladiator in

959
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: suit come from? I made that up. I made that up.

960
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: I just love the way it sounded, and one day

961
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: in my head I was like glad and like it

962
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: just sounded good to me. What I loved was how

963
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: we got to like put that information down and that

964
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: we told the story through the eyes of Quinn. What

965
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: was important about that was nobody who was watching the

966
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: show knew anything about this world, you know what I mean.

967
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: They didn't know what a fix, they didn't know how

968
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: any of it worked, and so we had a new

969
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: person there to learn everything for us, which I thought

970
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: was really important. Did Judy Smith say things I trust

971
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: my gut or is this stuff you also made up?

972
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: Judy Smith says, trust your gut. Your gut will tell

973
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: you everything you need to know. That was one of

974
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: the first things I wrote down in my notes from

975
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: my meeting with her. That's the thing she always said.

976
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: She said that, and she said stand in your truth.

977
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: Those are the two that I always held onto. Yeah,

978
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: never like don't lie. It's that same thing, don't lie.

979
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: I never tell a lie. Yeah, And then I loved

980
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: like and it's I don't know if it was aired

981
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: in the broadcast show because it was too long, but

982
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: made them put it in for the DVD. In any

983
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: subsequent errings, Huck basically says to her, you know, we're

984
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: all damaged. You know, like everybody here is damaged to like,

985
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: get used to it, and I've seen that. Yeah, that

986
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite scenes. And when I loved

987
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: about it wasn't just told you who everyone was like.

988
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: And when I wrote that scene, I was just gonna say,

989
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 1: he says, we're all stray dogs. That's right. Oh my god.

990
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: What I loved about that was when I wrote it,

991
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking as much about that, but the minute

992
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: I wrote that line, I was like, Oh, what are

993
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: what's everybody's problems? Like, how did they come to a living?

994
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Everyone's from the misfits, everyone's from and boy did you deliver?

995
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: Did you give it to us? And that whole speech

996
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: that Olivia gives to Amanda Tanner. You think she's this

997
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: lovely person and then she just decimates her and you

998
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: see what her job really is. She's the devil. It's horrible.

999
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: She's the one who she needs to make things happen.

1000
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: She's the person who handle stuff, so she has to

1001
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: handle it whatever way works. And I just remember like

1002
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: the devastation on Quinn's face and the way it was shocked. Yeah,

1003
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: I had no idea that scene was like that. I

1004
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: remember being like, oh, you know, my your line, your line,

1005
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: your line, my line. I didn't work that hard on

1006
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: that scene because I don't have any lines, which is

1007
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: the worst doctor ever. I understand that. I remember standing

1008
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: back there and Liza, you know, she's so good at

1009
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: being emotional, and she's working on her so upset, and

1010
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, Carrie has this this epic monologue that you

1011
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: were talking about about, Oh, this is a nice dog.

1012
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: And then she goes through like, oh that stint where

1013
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: your mom was in the nuthouse and it would be

1014
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: easier and better for you if you just got the

1015
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: hell out of here type of thing. And then I

1016
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: remember Paul coming up to me and being like, this

1017
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: is obviously my acting wasn't that great, but he came

1018
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: up to me and said like, this is shut out said.

1019
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: He basically was like, we are understanding the stakes of

1020
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: this scene and how fucked up this is through you

1021
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: and your eyes. And I was like, oh, I do

1022
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: at her lap. And then Olivia does the SloMo in

1023
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: the white jacket from Lynn Palo and gets on the

1024
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: phone and she just says it's handled, and then it

1025
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: goes to Quinn's face and she just is like I

1026
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: can't even believe I'm working for this woman. She's this

1027
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: is this is all like that she's kind of the

1028
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: devil but also the hero. Which is how the fact

1029
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: that was an exterior scene and that everybody, everybody, Bob Woodward,

1030
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 1: everybody was like, when are you in DC shooting the show?

1031
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, We're never in DC shooting the show.

1032
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: That's all fake and how amazing did that department do.

1033
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: Like people would come up to us all the time

1034
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: and be like, Yo, when are you guys going to

1035
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: be in d C again? Why are you here? Don't

1036
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: you guys shoot the show in d C? And we'd

1037
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: always be like, no, it's all green screen and that

1038
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: that team that did that, that work was just stellar.

1039
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, people really Washingtonians really believe we're shooting

1040
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: in d C. And I remember, I mean, my favorite

1041
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: thing that we got to do was, Hey, it's awesome

1042
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: to have a job where you get to right inter

1043
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: your white House and then they build you a white house.

1044
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: I literally played in the Oval Office for like a

1045
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: billion years. But even better was like writing like the

1046
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: interior resident on the White House Residents, and then like

1047
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: the Balcony and we got to go to the White

1048
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: House and film what it actually looked like from the

1049
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: balcony and you've never been done before, which was so cool. Wow.

1050
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: I thought we didn't shoot the show in d C

1051
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: because when we did go there, it was so cold.

1052
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: We would complain about being in Wildcats and it being

1053
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: so hot, But honestly, I prefer that to the one

1054
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 1: episode we didn't you see where I was holding gear

1055
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: mos ears from become from the Huck's ears from turning

1056
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: into icicles. Also, you could have never shot the show

1057
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: there Scandal. The cast of Scandal, I could hide, but

1058
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: it was like you were a beatle when we got

1059
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: when the cast of Ndal got dropped into d C,

1060
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: or when Shawanda Rhymes gets dropped into d C and

1061
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: you're on a political show. It was crazy watching the

1062
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: reactions there. That was amazing. One of the best things

1063
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: Form for me was like I was I was all

1064
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: about a shooting in l a everything because I had kids,

1065
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: People had kids, people, and it's the show went on,

1066
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: people had more and more kids, and I just felt

1067
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: like people's lifestyle should not be like standing in the

1068
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: middle of Washington, d C. In the middle of the

1069
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: night hoping you can get home at somebody. And it

1070
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: was It wasn't only like fans on the street or

1071
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: fans that watched the show. It was it was like

1072
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: people in d C. Like when we went and met

1073
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: like Obama and the first Lady Michelle Obama, like her

1074
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: hearing her tell me and tell all of us. Oh

1075
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: my god. I was just watching an episode as they

1076
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: were doing my hair and makeup. I was like, what,

1077
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: like the people that were in that world we're watching

1078
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: our show. It was so surreal to me, so surreal

1079
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: that like actual washingtony and people. I mean I remember

1080
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: George Bush Jr. Calling up Jatie Smith and saying, you know,

1081
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: we didn't really have an affair, right, and like them

1082
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: laughing about it. Yeah, I was. My mind was blown.

1083
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: My mind was blown that. Oh my god. I think

1084
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: it was such a gift that we sort of Also

1085
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: that scandal was sort of a slow burn that people

1086
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: caught onto the show. I mean, it really wasn't It

1087
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: was very helpful. I think we got to a place

1088
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: where we weren't this like overnight thing, so we had

1089
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: sort of but we were obsessed with the show and

1090
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: doing a good job and doing the best we could,

1091
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 1: and we got to really make it in this sort

1092
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: of bubble where people weren't looking. And then by the

1093
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: time everyone started looking. I can remember being on red

1094
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: Carpet and they would say, like, what does it feel

1095
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: like to be on a hit show? Like wait are

1096
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: we Like? I just was so like, what right? Because

1097
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: it was such a slow burn. It was such a

1098
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: slow burn. But also, yeah, I feel like Katie, Like

1099
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: none of us ever got cocky about it, Like no

1100
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: one ever got cocky. Every season we'd be like, oh

1101
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: my god, I hope we get picked up. It was

1102
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: never like we're we're working in like this is whatever.

1103
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: We're a hit, this ship, We're the best we wanted to.

1104
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: How do you think, like everyone says the show why

1105
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: it was so magical a lot, is that because our

1106
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: lead showrunner, Boss Shawnda Rhymes, and our lead actor Carrie

1107
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: Washington are number one, the two of you. You know,

1108
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: ship rolls downhill and that just never happened on our show.

1109
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: How did you and carry make a world where that

1110
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: was the case for so long? Because everyone would say

1111
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: in the beginning, wait till season four, you're all going

1112
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: to funciate each other, Like do you remember on the

1113
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: pilot the first day we ever shot the show. On

1114
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: the pilot, we're on the Graves anatomy set street in

1115
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: the hospital scenes, and you said, or maybe it wasn't

1116
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: the pilot, maybe it was episode two. No, I think

1117
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: it was pilot. It was the pilot. And yeah, you say,

1118
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm never ever going to be like going to not

1119
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: be grateful, And I remember pulling out my phone and

1120
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: being like, can you say that again into my camera.

1121
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: I was so sure that like in four years she

1122
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: would be like complaining about her trailer or something. We

1123
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: none of us were like that, none of us, I really,

1124
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: but yes say it. So I was just gonna say.

1125
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: Carry would do stuff like, uh, when we were done

1126
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: shooting a scene, she would stop everyone and ask for

1127
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: silence and thank all the background, thank our crew. Like

1128
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: the stuff that that Carry would do just made the

1129
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: sets so special and so inviting and so warm and kind,

1130
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: and that's so rare, you know. I think, in my opinion,

1131
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: I feel like and I don't remember that Carry actually

1132
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: said this to me or not, but this is what

1133
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: I assumed that she had been on a lot of

1134
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: sets and seeing all kinds of behavior and knew when

1135
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: when it was good and when it was bad, Like

1136
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: knew the feeling because if you're like just starting out,

1137
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: you know what that feels like when something number one

1138
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: is horrible and sort of had bowed to never be

1139
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: bad number one. And also I think she felt the

1140
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: entire weight of the pressure of being like the first

1141
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: black lead actress in a drama and not wanting that

1142
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: to be like and she was a bit, you know,

1143
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: I thought about that. And she was just a lovely

1144
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: person to begin with, but she really worked hard to

1145
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: remain humble and to keep everybody around her like feeling

1146
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: good about what they were doing as well, to make

1147
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: sure it felt like a group effort. The fact that

1148
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: she never complained about those fucking shoes, I would have

1149
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: lost my mind, like for seven years cramming her little

1150
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: foot into six in shy heels. I but Shanna, you

1151
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: never you were always the same. You and Betsy would

1152
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: call these meeting, we would do table reads and then

1153
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: you would say, okay, I'd like all the actors to

1154
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: stay after for ten minutes, to which we would all

1155
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, oh my god, we're in trouble.

1156
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 1: Please dont let us be in trouble. But we would

1157
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: sit there and you would always say it would be like,

1158
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, if anything comes up, or you want to

1159
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: talk about anything, or we should be your first call.

1160
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: Like I never had somebody look in the middle of

1161
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: the night like you need help. Someone gets in next

1162
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: and somebody to like, calm us, let us help you.

1163
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: We are all in this together. And it was just

1164
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: seemed like a very supportive I don't know. I learned

1165
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: so much. I think you've sent us all out into

1166
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: our other jobs to really expect nothing less than the

1167
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: behavior and the vibe that we created for ourselves on

1168
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: that show. I feel really lucky because I had the

1169
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: experience of never working in TV before writing a show

1170
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: and having it be like a crazy out of the

1171
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: box hit where all of these actors became famous overnight

1172
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: and chased by paparazzi and stuff, and that was great,

1173
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: and I didn't I didn't know how to handle any

1174
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: of that, you know what I mean. Like, I learned

1175
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: that through the process of like working there every day,

1176
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: and it was great to be able to bring that

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: knowledge to the table, you know, and say this is

1178
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: what it is. And that was so much. It just

1179
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: made it so much better. I want to also credit

1180
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: Mary Howard, because really the line producer really does have

1181
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: everything to do with the feel and the atmosphere on

1182
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: a set, and I think that she was incredibly valuable

1183
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: in that process. Yes, and you were also like, this

1184
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: show is so important and your health is so important.

1185
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: But you all and Mary Howard were also like, and

1186
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: your families are super important. Like it was always like,

1187
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, she was working, if someone was going through

1188
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: anything at home, or you know, people had things going on.

1189
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: She was very much She's a very family oriented. I

1190
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: think every press on the show, I think that was

1191
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: the thing. Like she was family oriented, we were family oriented.

1192
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: It felt normal, it really did. Um is there anything

1193
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: in closing? Can you please come back on the Scandal

1194
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: Rewatch podcast? Whatever you guys want me to like? I

1195
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: love this, I love that you're doing it. I'm well,

1196
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: I think it's going to give I think that our

1197
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: gladiators who have been just laying dormant for years, looking

1198
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: for a place to go and geek out and wear

1199
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: their gladiator shirts and drink out of their gladiator ups

1200
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: and eat their popcorn and wine and rewatch the shows

1201
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: and tell people who haven't seen it to sit their

1202
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: asses down and go watch it. And it's been such

1203
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: a gift to Gammo and I to go back and

1204
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: watch this show beyond I think for I think for

1205
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: like Gladiators, I always just want to say, like Gladiators,

1206
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: like this is where you're going to get the inside scoop,

1207
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, like stuff that was that we've never talked about. Yeah,

1208
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: don't you want to know that Garmo Diaz had a

1209
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: threesome the night that we've presented Shonda Rhymes with her

1210
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: glad Award. That's amazing. Everyone didn't know things we didn't know.

1211
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: So since Twitter was such a massive thing for Scandal, Shawonda,

1212
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: We're going to finish this episode and do this in

1213
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: many episodes by reading some of the best tweets surrounding

1214
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: the Scandal momentetet, tweet at the time, tweets at the time, Yeah,

1215
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: tweets at the time. On April four, in two thousand twelve, actually,

1216
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: Shonda Rhymes tweeted, this is the best ad for scan ever,

1217
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: thank you for the Scandal cake. And it's a picture

1218
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: of a cake and they actually drew Carrie Washington on

1219
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: the cake and it says, my gut tells me everything

1220
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: I need to know. Watch Scandal Thursday's ten at ten.

1221
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: Who made that cake? Remember, had no idea. It literally

1222
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: just appeared in her office as again, shut up, and

1223
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: we were so excited by it. And then and then

1224
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: you tweeted again, Shawanda. A few minutes later or later

1225
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: that day, the Grace Anatomy Scandal writers couldn't take it.

1226
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: They had to eat the Scandal cake and it's a

1227
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: picture of half of the cake gone. Yeah. I was like,

1228
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: let's just preserve it as this beautiful thing, and then

1229
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: he just had to eat it and it looks delicious.

1230
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: It was quite good. I think everybody thought it was

1231
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: quite good. That's hilarious. Then you also tweeted on April twelve,

1232
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: Gender Rhymes tweeted, meet at Judy Smith, the woman behind

1233
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: at scandal abcs Olivia Pope, and get your copy of

1234
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: her new book Good Self, Bad Self at Amazon. Wow.

1235
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: When we already had this shirt, Marco, who is a

1236
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: who is a key player at Shondalan Mark Marco Esquivel

1237
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: already posted a picture of gladiator and sweatshirts and it

1238
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: was a sweatshirt picture that says do you want to

1239
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: be a gladiator in a suit? We were all ready

1240
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: having marches. We were having march from the beginning, which

1241
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: is crazy. And can you talk about how they named

1242
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: us our fans became our gladiators, right, Like someone on

1243
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: Twitter just ran with that and then all of a

1244
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: sudden it was like the Gladiators and that's that's that's so.

1245
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: That was such a memorable moment, right, and that that

1246
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: has stuck around too because people will still come up

1247
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: to me on the street now and be like, yeah,

1248
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm a Gladiator, I'm a Gladia. Oh yeah, I get

1249
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: that all the time. What I loved about that, and

1250
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: I thought was so at the time, especially Twitter, was

1251
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: about the fans coming together and deciding things like now.

1252
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: I think they put out like for other shows, they

1253
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: put out like tested hashtag, which I didn't understand, like

1254
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: we we don't didn't decide the hashtags. Yeah, they came

1255
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: up with Huckleberry Quinn, they came up with yes, got

1256
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: our job. No, it's their community. I forget. Was it

1257
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: your idea or Carry's idea for all of us to

1258
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: be on Twitter? I think that Carry I remember correctly.

1259
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: I think Carrie came to me and said it would

1260
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: be really cool if we all got on Twitter and

1261
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: tweeted the shows. And then I remember then she said

1262
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: like that and like backed away, and then I remember

1263
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: staying at a table and being like, you're all going

1264
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: to get on Twitter. We're gonna help you do something.

1265
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: And we did. We were like, we gotta get on Twitter.

1266
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: But once again, as usual, Carrie was right. It was right,

1267
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: she was right, She was right. Do you remember, do

1268
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: you remember us following I started following everybody on Twitter, Katie,

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Speaker 1: like even like fans. I was like follow and but

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Speaker 1: now you know you can't do that. But but I

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Speaker 1: remember fans. We had no idea what we were doing.

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Speaker 1: We sent Jeff Perry out onto Teter and I did

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Speaker 1: did great, great without I'm like sitting next to Jeff

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Speaker 1: being like this is how you do it? Or Joe Morton,

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Speaker 1: I mean people, and they came up with their own

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Speaker 1: sort of Twitter personalities, like Joe Morton tweeted sort of

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Speaker 1: like popa Pope, these like very like cryptic big posts. Um,

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Speaker 1: my favorite Twitter thing that ever happened wasn't I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody else really knows this, But

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Speaker 1: Scott Foley had been playing Jake, this bad guy for

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Speaker 1: a while and the audience hated him and he didn't

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Speaker 1: complain about it or anything, but like the tweets were

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Speaker 1: clearly the audience just wanted him dead. And so I

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Speaker 1: wrote this episode where he gets thrown into that the

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Speaker 1: basics certain, the whole or whatever, and you know, and

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Speaker 1: then Olivia comes in because it's like the president thinks

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Speaker 1: that he killed his son, and then Olivia comes in

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Speaker 1: and he gives a speech that like he says, it's

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Speaker 1: okay if you don't choose me, and then he gives

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Speaker 1: her the number of the account that he wants her

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Speaker 1: to get the money to his mom and all the stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I literally, I'm needs got sick with me. And

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Speaker 1: like when the scene came on, I was like, watch

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Speaker 1: your Twitter feed, just watch it. Like I was like,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna go from I hate this dude to oh

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Speaker 1: my god, Jake is amazing. And it literally happened just

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Speaker 1: like that. It took three minutes. Twitter to entirely change

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Speaker 1: its too, and I was like, Twitter is a powerful,

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Speaker 1: powerful force. It was past tense. If your character was

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Speaker 1: against Olivia Pope, you were getting Twitter death threats, or

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Speaker 1: if your character was coming at all in the middle

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Speaker 1: of fits and Olivia you are my god. That was

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Speaker 1: so crazy. It was just it was a movement. It

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Speaker 1: was just. But then people like Oprah Winfrey and like

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Speaker 1: bet Middler's and Rihanna started tweeting also about this show.

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Speaker 1: Mariah Carey ya, and we were like, what is happening.

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Speaker 1: Prince Once put on a suit and send a picture

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Speaker 1: of himself that said gladiator in a suit. You know,

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Speaker 1: that didn't, I'm would send it to you because I

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Speaker 1: have a because I went, you know, Prince was everything.

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Speaker 1: He also sent me a list of songs that would

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Speaker 1: be okay for me to use on the show. Did

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Speaker 1: you ever use one? Yes? When well, it's so sad

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Speaker 1: because when Prince died, I did an episode that was

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Speaker 1: all my whole the whole night of television that Thursday

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Speaker 1: night was all Princes. Yeah. Man, that is the loveliest thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean when that's how we also started to feel like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the show is happening when someone would come into work

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Speaker 1: and be like, did you see Like Rihanna tweeted that

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Speaker 1: she's watching the show. I can remember being it carries

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Speaker 1: l women in Hollywood dinner and I was sitting next

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Speaker 1: to him mom, and she was like, my husband and

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Speaker 1: I sit and we watched the show. I'm like, are

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Speaker 1: you talking about David Bowie? David Bowie is sitting and

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Speaker 1: watching Scandal. I mean, this is crazy. I freaked out

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Speaker 1: when when Mrs Obama and the President were like, like,

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Speaker 1: we have some we have some things to tell you

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Speaker 1: about the show about the White House, because Mrs Mom

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Speaker 1: was like, you're not getting it right. You gotta get

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Speaker 1: it right and it was great. She was like, this

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Speaker 1: is what the private residents look like. This is where

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Speaker 1: the stairs are like, this is like, this is how

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Speaker 1: the White House is set up. Show me how we

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Speaker 1: were making the door using the doors incorrectly, like doing

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Speaker 1: the window panes on the doors incorrectly, and I came

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Speaker 1: back to change them. Yeah, oh my god, that is amazing.

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Speaker 1: My god, this show man, the things we learned on it,

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Speaker 1: that people it brought together. Shanda, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: the first guest on the Scandal Rewatch podcast. I will

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Speaker 1: show up for you anytime, you know. I love you, guys,

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Speaker 1: Scandal fan. So yeah, Scandal, that's right, yea for life

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Speaker 1: and we love you. Thank you for writing this show

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01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: that turns out when you watch it all over again,

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Speaker 1: it's still great. Yeah, thank you, thank you. Of course,

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Speaker 1: it's our pleasure. You kidding. O. God, I'm just so

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Speaker 1: we're so filled up that I need to keep going

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Speaker 1: with my gladiator. Right, I'm gonna pour some whiskey in

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Speaker 1: my Emma. It's only ten fifteen. Is that too early

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Speaker 1: to have a shot to move? No, it's also a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. But here's another sea,

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Speaker 1: it's t G I T I'll have you all this

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Speaker 1: that the first episode is going to rewatch podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: packing the toolbox with guests Shanna Rhymes. Was recorded on

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Speaker 1: a fucking Thursday, and Katie has a shirt that says

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Speaker 1: hashtag T G I t oh and we're drinking out

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Speaker 1: of our gladiator cups. And I cannot remember for the

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Speaker 1: life of me. What was the name of the made

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Speaker 1: up wine on Scandal? Oh, I don't know. I knew

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Speaker 1: Betsy Beers would know this. See this whole This whole

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Speaker 1: podcast is not about me texting people, but it is

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Speaker 1: because I want to find out the correct things I wrote.

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Speaker 1: Sorry about you so early doing Scandal podcast. What was

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Speaker 1: the fake made up name of the wine? Again? Because

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Speaker 1: I'm going to pretend to drink it on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: It was shot to move to Pop and it was

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Speaker 1: called Chateau do Ballet, which is complete bullshit and not

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Speaker 1: made up. I love that Betsy. Remember that Bets knew

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Speaker 1: that well because she was the person who they went

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Speaker 1: She's she's she knows a lot about fancy wine. And

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Speaker 1: I think the story goes is like the writer's weom

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Speaker 1: reached out to her and was like what would be

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Speaker 1: a really fancy, insanely priced bottle of wine that Olivia

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Speaker 1: Pope drinking mine this morning is cranberry juice that's old

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Speaker 1: as fuck and I found in the back of my

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Speaker 1: and Carrie never drank cranberry juice onunset. She drank grape juice,

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Speaker 1: really right, I don't know whatever had the less sugar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think her fake wine was grape juice, which I

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Speaker 1: think she like loved. I remember carry being like this

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Speaker 1: crape juice is so delicious. I love this. But Yo,

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Speaker 1: this Scandal Rewatch podcast, you guys better to tell your friends,

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Speaker 1: because it's fire. We have every single guest, an amazing

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Speaker 1: person you could want who start on Scandal or start

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes on Scandal, some secret guests coming up

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Speaker 1: that you are not going to want to miss. You're

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Speaker 1: going to get all the scoop on the scoop from

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Speaker 1: are so grateful to have this show and it's been

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Speaker 1: such a gift and we're so excited to be on

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Speaker 1: this ride with you guys, and we love you and

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Speaker 1: we want you guys to get hooked on rewatching the

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Speaker 1: show like we are now Oh my gosh. Everyone tune

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Speaker 1: in next week to episode one oh two of Scandal,

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Speaker 1: Dirty Little Secrets. We all got him, We all got him.

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