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Speaker 1: If you want Colts talk all year long, you're in

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Speaker 1: the right place. This is the Official Colts Podcast, giving

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Speaker 1: you an updated look at what's new with the Horseshoes.

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Speaker 1: Gets up the Taylor he said, touchdown? Why fires out? Way?

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Speaker 1: Terius letting at the five yard line, plants in the pocket,

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Speaker 1: up in the Antony throws go Pivan touchdown. Let's get

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Speaker 1: the podcast started. What's up? Everyone? Welcome into another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Official Colts Podcast, presented by wind Beat. I'm

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Speaker 1: JJ Stankobits, Matt Taylor's here, Lara Overton's here. We are

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Speaker 1: talking position battles on this podcast. Training camp starts in

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Speaker 1: a month. Guys. How about that? Nuts? It is nuts?

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Speaker 1: How fast this is? Where did this summer go? Has

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Speaker 1: the summer solstice. We're a weekend this summer. We got

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Speaker 1: a month until our summer comes training camp. That's still

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Speaker 1: summer though to me, summer last until Labor Day because

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Speaker 1: in the NFL it's it's a wonderful way to the

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Speaker 1: schedule falls in that. Yeah, you have that kind of crazy,

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Speaker 1: you get Labor Day weekend, so you get this like

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Speaker 1: Thank you to whoever at the NFL decided to get

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Speaker 1: The Saturday of Labor Day weekend used to be like

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Speaker 1: like the equivalent of tax day for accountants, but in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, Like that's how it would have it was

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Speaker 1: for all of us who work in the league. I

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Speaker 1: learned that lesson in twenty eighteen when I went Pops

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Speaker 1: Taylor would agree with that, right, yeah, he would, except

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Speaker 1: accounts probably aren't trying to drink on a boat on

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Speaker 1: in Indiana anywhere? The lakehouse is in Indiana? Okay, but

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Speaker 1: I learned the lesson the hard way that Labor Day

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Speaker 1: Labor Day weekend. I would actually like it if the

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Speaker 1: spend your summertime with friends and family, be outside, do vacations,

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Speaker 1: I just don't like sometimes that the most meaningful games

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Speaker 1: lot about, you know, where his talent lies and how

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Speaker 1: he has grown within football. So that's something that's really

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Speaker 1: intriguing to me. I think that you have a lot

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Speaker 1: of possibilities with to Michael Harris. They love his character.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy who has continued to impress when he's

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Speaker 1: been in the building. So he's one who I think

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Speaker 1: just watching how they use him in training camp is

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Speaker 1: going to be intriguing. But them, I hate it because

435
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Speaker 1: it seems like every year this is the group that

436
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Speaker 1: we talk about, right this is this seems to be

437
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Speaker 1: the toughest cuts are made in the wide receiver room.

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Speaker 1: And I'm also I think when we get into the

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Speaker 1: thick of things, it's going to be interesting to learn

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Speaker 1: how much, say Reggie Wayne has in some of these calls.

441
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Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately it's going to come down to Chris

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Speaker 1: Ballard and Frank Reich obviously will be in those conversations.

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Speaker 1: But you know what is the feedback that Reggie he

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Speaker 1: is giving what are because he's grading the guys. He's

445
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Speaker 1: grading them in every practice and every game. So to

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Speaker 1: tell you that this guy gets it and Reggie win,

447
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. Yeah, that's a great point, by

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Speaker 1: the way, unto Michael Harris, I did not consider that.

449
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Speaker 1: But if you're if you're building this role in your

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Speaker 1: offense and you are installing it for Niheem Hines, it

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Speaker 1: would make sense that you would have someone else who

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Speaker 1: could do it, who would beat to Michael Harris, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a really it's like playing with six running backs

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Speaker 1: or seven or eight wide receivers because those guys can

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Speaker 1: do both. Because at first, it's like, can you can

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Speaker 1: you kind of fool some people? Can you put some

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Speaker 1: people back in their heels? If Naim's not on the

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Speaker 1: field and they don't think that you're you know, they

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Speaker 1: think you're using they're not going to expect you to

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Speaker 1: use him necessarily those first few times in role. Michael

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Speaker 1: Harris special teams too. Michael Harrison College twenty nineteen, his

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Speaker 1: last year at Southern Miss. One hundred and thirteen rushing

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Speaker 1: attempts for five hundred and forty one yards. It's almost

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Speaker 1: five yards per carry. Thirty four receptions for three hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty six yards, ten point two yards per catch,

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Speaker 1: three touchdowns by the way, Mississippi State champ. Track guy,

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Speaker 1: track guy. We need we need like a track guy

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Speaker 1: airhorn or something. I know, some sort of a signal. Probably.

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Speaker 1: I love it. There, mate, did it all right? Let's

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Speaker 1: move on to the last group here, the running back

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Speaker 1: room behind Jonathan Taylor and the aforementioned nihem Hines. This

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Speaker 1: one's really interesting because the Colts this offseason added Philip

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Speaker 1: Lindsay and Tyson Williams in free agency. They added Davanta

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Speaker 1: Price and CJ. Verdell as undrafted free agents. Dion Jackson

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Speaker 1: is back as part of that room as well, an

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Speaker 1: undrafted free agent last year. This one, this one's interesting. See,

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Speaker 1: I think it's the least interesting, So I want to know.

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Speaker 1: To me, yeah, yeah, I don't know. To me, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting because last year the Colts carried four running backs

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Speaker 1: primarily throughout the season, JT. Niheim, Marlon Mack and then

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Speaker 1: Dion Jackson got on the roster during the season. Is

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Speaker 1: there a need for a Marlin mac type on this

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Speaker 1: roster where Marlin last year really was not used a

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Speaker 1: whole lot because the Colts didn't really need him. When

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Speaker 1: you have Jonathan, I think that was an exceptional situation.

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Speaker 1: Because of Marlin and coming back from the injury and

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Speaker 1: who he is, and now he is regarded and respected

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Speaker 1: and appreciated within this organization. I don't think that that's

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Speaker 1: going to be a template likely that you see moving forward. Mainte,

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Speaker 1: what do you think. I'm gonna say, yes, you do,

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Speaker 1: because you do need that insurance package because Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 1: takes what is that word that he uses, he does prehab? Prehab? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what twenty two year old talks like that. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's so a guy who could have gone

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Speaker 1: to the IVY League, could have played at Harvard sure

496
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Speaker 1: wise intelligent, also a new ESP nominee two time Jonathan Taylor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: breakout star and favorite NFL player. So we'd be able

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Speaker 1: to see him out in LA on Hollywood. Those two things.

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Speaker 1: He's taken home that hardware in those categories. So he's

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Speaker 1: up against some competition really quick. I'm sorry, I've totally

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Speaker 1: like taken this on a different round. This is breaking

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Speaker 1: news as of today. It's just a couple hours ago.

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Speaker 1: So he is up against for favorite or NFL Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year. I guess NFL player of the Year.

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Speaker 1: He's against Cooper Cup, t J Watt and Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's a that's a tough group. By the way,

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Speaker 1: you got the Offensive Player of the Year, the Defensive

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Speaker 1: Player of the Year in the MVP, and Jonathan Taylor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's incredible. And then for best Breakthrough Athlete, you

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Speaker 1: have Trinity Rodman from the Washington Spirit, daughter of Dennis Rodman,

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Speaker 1: who is an emerging soccer standout. Dan is awesome, She's awesome. Um,

512
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Speaker 1: and then Eileen goo Skier John Morant from the Memphis Grizzlies.

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Speaker 1: He's certainly gonna get a whole lot of attention, rightfully,

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Speaker 1: so in that category. But I really think that Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 1: that's a very He makes a very strong case for

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Speaker 1: breakthrough act and rushing guards by like five fifty. And

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Speaker 1: he's so gosh darn likable too. Yeah well, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like all those other like John Morants super likable, Trinity

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Speaker 1: Rodman superlikable. I like. But okay, so I wrote an

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Speaker 1: article on colts dot Com just writing, you know, through

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Speaker 1: the sp nominations just this is fun. This is totally

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Speaker 1: off topic. But the thing the awards that Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 1: got last year, unanimous First Team AP All Pro. Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Writers Association First Team Allpro, Pro Football Focus First

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Speaker 1: Team Allpro, the Sporting News First Team Allpro. He was

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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowler, Sporting News Offensive Player of the Year.

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Speaker 1: He won the Burt Bell Award for Best NFL Player.

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Speaker 1: He was the October and November AFC Offensive Player of

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Speaker 1: the Month and the week eleven AFC Offensive Player of

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Speaker 1: the Week. Yeah, that's incredible. It's a big year, and

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Speaker 1: I hope Jonathan Taylor adds a couple more honors to

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Speaker 1: that list. They will may take to your point though,

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Speaker 1: about trending. You need that, you need that insurance policy,

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Speaker 1: you know JT J there's no reason to think JT

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Speaker 1: can't handle the workload again. Um No, But does that

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Speaker 1: mean no, it's it's yeah, No, it's not about Taylor

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Speaker 1: at all. No, it's not about Taylor not being able

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Speaker 1: to hand to the workload. It's about it's about should

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Speaker 1: he sustain an injury. Philip Lindsay has had a tremendous

540
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Speaker 1: amount of success in the NFL not that long ago,

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Speaker 1: and he's potentially looking for this stop at this opportunity

542
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Speaker 1: to sort of jump start his career again, just like

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Speaker 1: Marlon Mack last year. Was a tremendous insurance package for

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor. Had something that had happened to Taylor last year.

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Speaker 1: Marlon Mack was a one thousand yard guy, just like

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Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay is, and he was in some crumby situations

547
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Speaker 1: last year he was with the Texans, they stunk at

548
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Speaker 1: running the football. Same thing with Miami after he was

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Speaker 1: released by Houston, they were not good and also too

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Speaker 1: something that I did not realize when when looking up

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Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay for this conversation. Chris Strasser was the offensive

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Speaker 1: line coach in Denver those two years when he went

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Speaker 1: over a thousand yards. It's all about insurance policy in

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Speaker 1: this running game. Behind Jonathan Taylor, should something happen to

555
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best running back in the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And the question and then becomes can you get that

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Speaker 1: out of Dion Jackson while getting special teams? Can you

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Speaker 1: get that out of Tyson Williams while getting special teams?

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Speaker 1: But probably not? Philip Lindsay though ye, jon Jackson is

560
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Speaker 1: a warrior like that man is a beast when you

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Speaker 1: watch him go through some of the running back drills.

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Speaker 1: And also Scotty Montgomery, and I will say this if

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Speaker 1: he's sitting here, he is insane. That man I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know we say maniac about Darius Leonard a Lott

565
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: like Scotty Montgomery is like a running back drill maniac.

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Speaker 1: The stuff that he puts those guys through is some

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Speaker 1: of the most fun things to watch, you know, when

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Speaker 1: they're they're you know, uh doing a lot of vertical

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Speaker 1: type of things, doing a lot of lateral drills, different things,

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Speaker 1: and he's tossing medicine balls at him and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of crazy stuff. It's so much fun to watch. And like,

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Speaker 1: Dion Jackson is an absolute like bowling ball in some situations,

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Speaker 1: like he will break through tackles, he will power through

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, power. I mean he's outstanding, like and you

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Speaker 1: saw some of that on display in that route of

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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans down in Houston, that shutout victory that

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Speaker 1: the Colts had last season. You know, he finally got

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Speaker 1: at that point late in the game, finally got some

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Speaker 1: reps up there, and he started to get going and

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Speaker 1: started to find his stride. It started to get humming,

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Speaker 1: and you saw some of the potential that is there

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Speaker 1: with Dion Jackson. Yeah, that guy, he's a force like

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Speaker 1: give it in the right situations and some opportunities, he

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Speaker 1: can certainly be a force within this running back And

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Speaker 1: you have some turnover on special teams, you know, with

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Speaker 1: Matt Adams and George odom Yeah, leaving in free agency,

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Speaker 1: so there will be some openings for guys to take

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Speaker 1: on more of a load in special teams. That is

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Speaker 1: something you're going to need to keep an eye on

590
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Speaker 1: throughout training camp is you can't just kind of pencil

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Speaker 1: in the same four guys as your special team versus.

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Speaker 1: You're going to need to add a couple of guys

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Speaker 1: into that role. And that's where you know a guy

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Speaker 1: like doz Patman who has played in some special team situations,

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Speaker 1: how advantageous is that for him? Being that we know

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Speaker 1: that that's going to be one of those critical factors

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Speaker 1: when you start to look at those final few spots

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Speaker 1: how it comes into play. I know we're getting at

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Speaker 1: least I am. I'm getting way way way ahead of

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Speaker 1: ourselves here. But just hypothetically, like if we get to

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Speaker 1: week one and Philip Lindsay makes this team, I actually

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00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if he's inactive, right, just like Marlon Marlin.

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Speaker 1: I mean Marlon actually played in six games because of

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Speaker 1: this special teams. All things being equal, like if you're

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Speaker 1: living this football utopia where everybody's healthy for every game,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't wouldn't shock me at all if Dion Jackson

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Speaker 1: is active because of special teams over a guy like

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Speaker 1: Philip lindsay, yeah, I think that. You know, when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the third and fourth running backs, if you

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Speaker 1: have those defined roles for them, then yeah, the if

611
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 1: the third guy is the backup to Jonathan Taylor, then

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Speaker 1: he's probably going to be an active right on game days.

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Speaker 1: All right. Anyways, we're going to pivot here and go

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Speaker 1: with our chat with NFL Senior Vice President of Player

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Speaker 1: Operations Tracy Pearlman. We're talking about the annual Player Media

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Speaker 1: boot Camp. This is a really interesting conversation. Hope y'all

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Speaker 1: enjoy Pleased to welcome to the Colt's official podcast. Tracy Pearlman,

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Speaker 1: the NFL fell senior vice President of Player Operations, here

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Speaker 1: to talk about the league's player Media boot Camp and

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Speaker 1: getting some former players ready to explore careers in media.

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Speaker 1: It's a really interesting subject and we're really excited to

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Speaker 1: have Tracy on, So thanks for joining us. Here. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. So the first question is when

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Speaker 1: you get these players who come in and they want,

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Speaker 1: you know, like a Larry Fitzgerald for example, and they

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Speaker 1: come in and they say, hey, you know, I want

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Speaker 1: to get some media training. Do they understand what goes

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Speaker 1: into it, like the hours that have to go into it.

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Speaker 1: It's not just you show up in front of a

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Speaker 1: camera and you can just start talking about football. There's

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Speaker 1: so much more that goes into it. Two players get that.

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Speaker 1: I would say Larry Fitzgerald definitely does. His dad's a journalist,

633
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, Larry was someone who is getting offers and

634
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: said I need to hone my craft, so he wanted

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Speaker 1: that kind of education and training. I would say there

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Speaker 1: were several guys who were there who said, there's as

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Speaker 1: much studying here as there is to play football. I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is almost the same schedule, except I'm

639
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: just not suiting up. So it was really interesting to

640
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: hear that feedback. And I think they walked in with

641
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: a preconceived notion of what the role is and walked

642
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: out with a real understanding of the time it takes

643
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: to really be good at it, even though you know

644
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: so much about football already. I'm going to go back

645
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: to back questions for you, Tracy. First off, Nate Burlison,

646
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: who is an absolute media star, not just in football broadcasting,

647
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: but we've seen him crossover mainstream with CBS Morning Show,

648
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: and in the article he was very candidate saying that

649
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: he struggled with the play by play and that was

650
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: an element that was a challenge for him. Do you

651
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: see a commonality of one area or another being kind

652
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: of the most challenging transition for most players or does

653
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: it very just player to player that some are naturally

654
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: very good on playback I play, some are very natural

655
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: in the analyst chair. What is that commonality for the guys?

656
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: I would say it really varied. I got to go

657
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: into the different control rooms while they were doing their

658
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: quote unquote on air testing. Several struggled with radio. I

659
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: have to be honest. You know you heard them say,

660
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: as you can see here, and then it was stopped,

661
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: they can't see here, And then you know, you had

662
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: several struggling with the play by play because their language

663
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: became the language that they know from a playbook versus

664
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: being relatable to what an audience knows. So I think

665
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: that it varied player by player. What I found really

666
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: interesting was several walked in saying this doesn't interest me

667
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: at all and walked out saying, hey, wait a minute.

668
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: I thought I wanted to be a studio analyst. I

669
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: really liked doing play by play, and we had some

670
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: guys saying the podcast base I thought was not for

671
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: me at all, and it really was for me. So

672
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: I think you had several different players saying, hey, I

673
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: came in here hoping to learn more about X, and

674
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: I really figured out. I like, why. What I did

675
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: hear from faculty this year was everyone was good at something.

676
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: You know, in years past they said they've had a

677
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: ton of guys struggling, But I think the way it

678
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: was set up, with the education being so specific, players

679
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: were really able to learn a lot and then go

680
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: do it. So we saw a lot of success. I

681
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: thought it was great to sit in there and watch.

682
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: It's so interesting too, because that's much like I know,

683
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: the advice that we give when any of us are

684
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: asked from college students what do I need to do

685
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: to get into sports broadcasting, and you want to tell

686
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: them do a little bit of everything, be multifaceted, be

687
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: able to do radio, be able to do play by play,

688
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: be able to do a podcast, be able to write

689
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: all of those things. So it's cool that that translates

690
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: to the professionals who are doing this as well. The

691
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: other question that I had was, are you seeing more

692
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: players who are still playing, still within their playing careers,

693
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: being proactive in exploring that this might be something they

694
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: want to do when their football career concludes, rather than

695
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: guys waiting until it's over and then having to figure

696
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: it out. So it's interesting. I run player engagement as

697
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: part of player operations, so I hope that we're being

698
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: really effective in saying to players, you really need to

699
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: start thinking now about what you want to do later.

700
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: And not only are they hearing it for a months,

701
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: I'd also run the Legends community, and people like Michael

702
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: Robinson and Maurice stones Drew who joined us as faculty,

703
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: tell current players all the time. I started doing this

704
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: while I was playing, so that when I walked off

705
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: the field, I had a direction on where my journey

706
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: was going to go. So we've been working really hard

707
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: with the heads of player engagement at the clubs to

708
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: continue to say to players start focusing on what areas

709
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: do I like, and if the NFL can for you

710
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: an education in that area or offer you an experience

711
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: in that area, you should take it. So I would

712
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: say this year we had more current players participating in

713
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: the Broadcast Workshop than in the past, and I do

714
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: think that we are seeing current players start to really

715
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: think about, Okay, what is it that I want to

716
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: do when I'm not playing anymore? And that doesn't have

717
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: to be now, it can be in ten years. But

718
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: you're going to have the reps, You're going to know

719
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: if you like it, and you're going to feel like

720
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: there is the next part of your journey. Tracy, how

721
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: long is the NFL, this NFL Broadcast Workshop boot Camp?

722
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: How long has it been in existence? This is fifteen

723
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: years now. It's taken It's had different iterations. It went

724
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: to the college levels, meaning that we were actually hosting

725
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: it at Bowling Green. But with the opening of the

726
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: new NFL Media Facility, we thought, number one, we have

727
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: a great place to do it it. Number two, we

728
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: have experts who can run all of the you know,

729
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: the different the different entities, so that the workshop to tech,

730
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: all the things that we needed to do could be

731
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: run by professionals and we have the partners who are experts,

732
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: so having a Fred Gidelli there was amazing for players.

733
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: So we started at NFL Films, we changed it to

734
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: go to the college level with Bowling Green, and then

735
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: we brought it to the NFL Media location. I think

736
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that's changed is media is now three

737
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: sixty it USBA Broadcasting Workshop, so you're essentially learning how

738
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: to be in front of the camera. We wanted to

739
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: make sure they learned about how to do a podcast,

740
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: how to host Twitter spaces or an ig live, how

741
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: to host something on YouTube, how to work in radio.

742
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: So we wanted to make sure it was a full

743
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: experience because now there are so many different ways you

744
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: can work in the media. And I think it just

745
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: for a little bit of context, Fred Goodelli has been

746
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: producing NBC Sunday Night Football, which is a fantastic broadcast

747
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: for a number of years now, so getting him in there,

748
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure has a big impact on those players just

749
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: from a yeah, there's from the standpoint of you know,

750
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: and something that was mentioned in the New York Times

751
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: article was trying to expand the pipeline of black play

752
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: by play announcers, and yeah, that's that's an area that

753
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: do you see the talents and the skills and the

754
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: desire from some of these players to go that route

755
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: and to not just be the you know, the color

756
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: analyst or the studio analyst, but to actually call play

757
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: by play. You know, I don't know if they know

758
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: they want to do that. That's the most interesting piece

759
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: all players. When they walked in there, like I said

760
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: to you, I think several of them were like this,

761
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna love this. And then guys

762
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: walked out and you know, the different faculty were like,

763
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: wait a minute. Richard Sherman was amazing at that. Thomas

764
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: STA student an amazing job there, and they walked out

765
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: and said, wow, that was fun. So my hope is

766
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: we can open a door to them that they may

767
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: not know is open and teach them something that maybe

768
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: they didn't even think they wanted to learn. Tracy, you

769
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: mentioned being able to cross platform things like maybe YouTube

770
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: or Instagram, live, Facebook, all of the different platforms that

771
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: there are four guys to utilize. And there are a

772
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: number of former cults who have had success post football

773
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: careers in broadcasting. Jeff Saturday and Matt Hasselbeck at ESPN,

774
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: Darius Butler and Antoine Bethet have their podcast which has

775
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: really launched them. And then of course you have Pat

776
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: McAfee who is pretty much putting on a clinic with

777
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: how to redefine and create your own audience and platform

778
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: and own a space. And it's interesting that you know

779
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: Pat has now been breaking news with Aaron Rodgers coming

780
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: on his podcast on his show every week, and then

781
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: in the article it cites Brandon Marshall and his I

782
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: Am Athlete podcast. Has there ever been a more powerful

783
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: time for these athletes to be able to cultivate their

784
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: brands with their social media platforms and utilize what they

785
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: already have to not necessarily rely solely on a network

786
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: for an opportunity, but being able to utilize the space

787
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: that they've already created to build a bit of a

788
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: resume tape. No, I think this is the time, and

789
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: that's why we wanted to be in this space teaching

790
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: this three sixty approach because we are charged as the

791
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: player operations group with elevating and amplifying players off the field.

792
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: We're trying to tell them you can do it on

793
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: your own, we can support you in doing it, we

794
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: can use everything that we have, but you have assets

795
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: in front of you that you can utilize. So now

796
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: definitely the time we want to make sure we have

797
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: what they need to support them in doing that, and

798
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: that includes education as well as our own accounts. You

799
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: probably have seen players take over our Instagram, players doing

800
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: Twitter spaces with US players doing stuff on our YouTube channels,

801
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: and what they walked away from him with the broadcast

802
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: workshop was you need reps, keep getting reps, and you

803
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: can get reps by creating your own entity. Tracy a

804
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: little bit of a two parter from me. Do you

805
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: know a natural when you see it? You know like

806
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: this guy gets it, this guy's gonna be He's gonna

807
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: be something. And then I guess the second part of

808
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: that is who is the best former player to kind

809
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: of kill it through the workshop? So I would say

810
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: I am not an expert, although I have been here

811
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: for almost thirty years and watched a ton of football,

812
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: But it was very obvious to me. Somebody who I

813
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: didn't know was going to be amazing at this was

814
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Jason Cabinda detroit lyon five years in the league, unbelievable

815
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: smile as soon as he sat down in the studio

816
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I can't stop watching this guy.

817
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: I thought he was amazing. And you know Thomas Davis,

818
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: who NFL man in the year, I've seen him do

819
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: a ton of stuff. Man, he was serious about this,

820
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: and you know, after he did the radio everybody was like,

821
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this guy is pretty amazing at the

822
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: radio piece. So I think that there were some guys

823
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: when you watched them or you heard them, or like,

824
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: you had to stop stop what you were doing and

825
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: really listen in and you're on set with experts. So

826
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: Steve Wish and Michael Robinson and mjd were all there

827
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: and the conversation was really easy with a lot of

828
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: these guys. So I thought it was great coming through

829
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: the broadcast workshop. Naprilson again, amazing Michael Robinson. These guys

830
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: have worked with US NFL media platforms for a long time.

831
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: Danial Lovsky, you know, I think when you see the

832
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: tapes from their original workshop, you can see that there

833
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: was something there. But wow, have they grown and done

834
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: amazing things. And I'm so proud to be a part

835
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: of it. When you have these players go through training,

836
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: whether they're current players or maybe they're players at the

837
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: back end, of their careers are recently retired, how how

838
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: do you notice them getting comfortable talking about maybe players

839
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: they played with or played against, or coaches they were

840
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: coached by. Because something I think about I was thinking

841
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: about as listening to this conversation is Mitchell Schwartz on

842
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: The Athletic Football Show. He did a weekly segment and

843
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: it was so informative because it felt very real and authentic,

844
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: even though he's a year removed from playing in the NFL,

845
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: and I feel like I learned a lot and came

846
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: to trust his opinions and his analysis on those things.

847
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: How do you notice players kind of walking that line

848
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: in some of these boot camps or whether they're just

849
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: starting off in their media careers. It was really interesting

850
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: because the question was asked several times by several players

851
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: and legends several different ways, and everyone answered it the same.

852
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: Be factual. Players, know that you now have a job

853
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: to do. Be factual. You know, as long as you're

854
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: stating the truth, you can have an opinion. Don't ever

855
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: go after someone's character. I think it was really clear

856
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: that everybody in the room wanted to ensure that the

857
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: people that trust them now would still trust them when

858
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: they were on air or on radio or whatever they

859
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: were doing, because that was really important to all of

860
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: those guys. And it was interesting to listen to Michael

861
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: Robinson and MJD talk about how sometimes they have to

862
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: talk about something that might not be that pleasant for

863
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: a player, but as long as they're reporting the fact, hey,

864
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: this guy had a bad game, here's why, and they're

865
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: not attacking his character or what he's doing off the

866
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: field or his family, they're going to keep that trust.

867
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: And you want to keep the trust of the players

868
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: that you have because this isn't it's really important to

869
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: your job, but it's so important to them personally, because

870
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: once you walk away from the game, that brotherhood is

871
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: still there and it's always going to be there. Tracy,

872
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: I know we have a lot of aspiring media, whether

873
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: it's broadcasters, writers, journalists in various forms who listen to

874
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: the podcast. Who we get questions from. Being that we

875
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: work for an NFL organization, What are some of the

876
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: points of feedback, the strongest tips that are given to

877
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: the guys who go through your boot camp that can

878
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: also relate to anyone who is interested in this, who

879
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: wants to pursue this profession. Number one was study. They

880
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: every single night that we were there, they were given

881
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: a game that they were going to have to do.

882
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: They needed to know the players, the numbers, the backgrounds,

883
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, a tidbit of information. Really educate yourself, educate

884
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: yourself on the game, make sure you know the players,

885
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: and really make sure you know your information. That was

886
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: number one for me. Number two for me was also,

887
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: you have to be relaxed. And it was very hard

888
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: some of the guys. As soon as that light went on.

889
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: You could see the nerves, and we had a coach

890
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: there who was talking them through the things that they

891
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: could do to actually relax. And then I thought the

892
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: be factual was really the biggest point, because you don't

893
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: want your opinion to taint the facts, and you want

894
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: to watch somebody who cares about the game and the players,

895
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: even if they're reporting something that you know isn't that pleasant.

896
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: So those are the three things that stood out for me.

897
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: And the other thing that stood out for me more

898
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: than any of it was be yourself. And a lot

899
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: of feedback was you may have a producer tell you

900
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: they want you to do X, Y and Z, don't

901
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: be yourself And as long as it's not changing yourself.

902
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: If they tell you you need to articulate better, if

903
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: they tell you you need to dress a little different,

904
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: whatever those things are, but never change who you are.

905
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: And the example. And it's interesting because Rich Eisen was

906
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: one of our faculty and all of you know Rich Eisen.

907
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: He's the host of Game Day Morning. He started to

908
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: last as he was the first person ever on the

909
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: NFL network. He said, Hey, Stuart Scott heard over and

910
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: over again that he needed to do things different. And

911
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: Stuart Scott is probably one of the most recognized ever

912
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: sports center hosts. And he never did anything that changed

913
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: who he was as a person. And that stood out

914
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: with every single player who was in that room. Don't

915
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: change who you are. Fascinating stuff, Tracy. Last one for me.

916
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: I guess this kind of piggyback. Saw something that JJ

917
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: asked a while back ago. But how much of a

918
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: demand or a need do you see from viewers from

919
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: the networks, from radio stations for more diverse broadcast boots,

920
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: more diverse shows, studio shows, things like that. And then

921
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: what kind of role does the NFL workshop, the broadcast

922
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: boot camp, what kind of role does that play in that?

923
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. We also book all the player appearances

924
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: for the league, so we're always getting requests for diverse candidates.

925
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: We want to make sure that we're helping the networks

926
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: keep you know, a diverse set of people on their airs.

927
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: So we got a lot of questions, Hey, do you

928
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: know if X y Z does this? Do you know

929
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: if this player does that? And they're looking for diverse candidates.

930
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to make sure that their sets are relatable,

931
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: and so we're working with them on that. The twenty

932
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: four who went through the workshop are veried diverse, and

933
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 1: we've had you know, networks reach out to us already

934
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: to have some of these players work with them for drafts. Yeah,

935
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: so we're hoping that the twenty four that we had

936
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: as the students for this workshop are actually a set

937
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: of players that networks, radio stations, you know, even some

938
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: of the social accounts come to us and say, hey,

939
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: I'd love to tap into Marlon Humphrey, I'd love to

940
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: tap into Sebastian Joseph Day. So the idea for us

941
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: was to ensure that we had a group of players

942
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: that over the next entire season, all of our different

943
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: partners could utilize throughout everything that they were doing, and

944
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: it's a diverse set of players and it's because that's

945
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: who really wanted to be a part of it, and

946
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: we wanted to make sure that they had the opportunity

947
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: really interesting stuff, Tracy. That's you know, we could we

948
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: could sit here and talk about this for a while

949
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: because there's so many different ways to think about this

950
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: boot camp and just the way that players look to

951
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: continue keeping their foot in football after getting out of

952
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: their playing careers. But what you just said about getting

953
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: getting guys like hey, tapping into Marlon Humphrey in Baltimore,

954
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: you know, and the skills that he has while they're

955
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: still playing is a really interesting way to look at

956
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: it too. I guess the last term for me is

957
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: just is there a general type of player or personality

958
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: trait that these guys have that you generally see kind

959
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: of flowing through these fifteen years of doing these boot camps.

960
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: They love the game of football. It's unbelievable to the

961
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: point where you sit there and you don't want them

962
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: to stop being a part of it. Gerald McCoy was

963
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: amazing at this boot camp, and what came through for

964
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: me with Gerrolds was I love this game. All I

965
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: want to do is be a part of it somehow.

966
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: And I would say every player who has gone through

967
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: this boot camp. I think players sometimes default to, oh, well,

968
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: I need to stay in football. This is what I know.

969
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: But everyone that you see on air you know, and

970
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: again I'll de fault to Michael Robinson specifically, they love

971
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: this game. Michael runs youth football in Virginia for over

972
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: six thousand kids. He also has a job on the

973
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: NFL network. He's also on the Legends Youth Advisory Committee.

974
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: He'll do anything he can to pay it forward for football.

975
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: And every guy that I have seen go through this

976
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: boot camp that has been a part of this workshop,

977
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: they love this game and they want to pay it

978
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: forward and they want to be a part of it. However,

979
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: they can final one for me. And when I talked

980
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: about all of those former colts, and media neglected Peyton

981
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: with Peyton's places, which I mean a huge error on

982
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: my part. But I'm interested if there is a current

983
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: active player in the league who you would love to

984
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: see in broadcasting in some capacity, whether that's in a studio,

985
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: in a booth or on his own Verius streaming platform

986
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: kind of like what we have seen Peyton do or

987
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: Peyton and Eli on the Mega Cast Cam Jordan. Cam

988
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: Jordan is funny. He loves the game. He loves to

989
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: have fun. You know, anytime we have something to do,

990
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: Cam raises his hands. He wants to be a part

991
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: of everything. And the reason I love Cam is he

992
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: was also a part of it as a kid because

993
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: his father played, so he actually has all of this

994
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: history in the game. On top of the amazing fact

995
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: that he's one of the members of the hundred Sack Club.

996
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a current player. There are only like

997
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: nine of those guys. He's an amazing player. He loves

998
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: the game, he does an amazing job when he's on air,

999
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: and he's just a ton of fun. I don't know

1000
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: if you follow him on social media, but watching him

1001
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: in the Mardi Gras parade go down the street in

1002
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: a recliner was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

1003
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: And he's just an amazing person. Well, I certainly I'm

1004
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: following now because before, but I want to see that, yes,

1005
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: follow immediately. It worked. Wouldn't we all want to go

1006
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: down Marti Grass in a recliner? Tray? Thank you? So

1007
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: much for joining us. That's Tracy Pearlman, the NFL Senior

1008
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: vice president of Player Operations. We really appreciate the time.

1009
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: Thank you. All right. So, piggybacking on that conversation, guys,

1010
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: who's your favorite recent former player turned NFL analyst? We

1011
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: got some good options here. You know, Tony Romo kind

1012
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: of top of the list in my mind just in

1013
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: terms of the analysis that he does. But you know

1014
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: some other guys who have done it. Drew Brees, Greg Olsen,

1015
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick's joining Thursday Night Football, Richard Sherman's done some

1016
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: stuff that's been good. Tony Gonzalez obviously, we have to

1017
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: talk about Pat McAfee, who's also top of the list

1018
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: in my book for the stuff he's done post playing career.

1019
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: But who's on your list? Who do you like? Lara?

1020
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: Start with you? You know who I think is heavily

1021
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: underrated and I think that he is going to have

1022
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: a meteoric rise here when he gets in to the

1023
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: right regular situation. He's made a few kind of supporting

1024
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: role appearances on a number of different broadcasts, but Darius

1025
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: Butler is a rising star to me as an analyst

1026
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: in football, as just in broadcasting in general, because he

1027
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: doesn't just talk football. He can talk about anything and everything.

1028
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: Despite the fact obviously his career is greatly you know,

1029
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 1: well documented his success within the NFL as a defensive player,

1030
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: but he can do just about anything. I like would

1031
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: lead the charge for Darius Butler to get like a

1032
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: primary regular role on any like studio broadcast or game broadcast,

1033
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: whatever it happens to me, I think Darius Butler is

1034
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: is outstanding. I think one of the things that I

1035
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: love about watching Tony Romo is that there is an

1036
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: authentic love and joy and excitement that comes out of

1037
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: his voice, like when he's in the booth, like yeah,

1038
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: it's it's isn't over the top. It's a little over

1039
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: the top, but it's just to me, it makes it

1040
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: so ine the screen gym, they're gonna do it over

1041
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: the tone of lifebackers. I love it. I love it,

1042
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: but I'm cheesy and you know, I mean, let's not

1043
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, like that's I cackled infamously in

1044
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: the background of a broadcast because I was having so

1045
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: much darn fun to mate on a call one time.

1046
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: So I just feel like Tony Romo is having so

1047
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: much fun up there, and let's be honest, like Tony

1048
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: Romo's kind of set the bar for the way networks

1049
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: are now bidding for guys on their broadcast. The the

1050
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: you know deal that Tom Brady has now signed with

1051
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: Fox whenever he does retire from football or stops flip

1052
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: flopping on whether or not he's retiring from football and

1053
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: actually hangs it up. Uh you know that happens because

1054
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: Tony Romo has been so gone and so coveted. Uh So,

1055
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Tony's probably one of my

1056
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: my favorites. And then the other thing is guys with

1057
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: the Manning cast, Like, let's be honest, we all love right,

1058
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: how do you not being this organization? Eli man carries

1059
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: that show. Eli carries that show because Peyton's well, well,

1060
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: Peyton's so professional and really wants to like analyze and

1061
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: talk game. But like Eli's the like kid brother who's

1062
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: out there just like making chokes and having fun and

1063
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: taking shots at people. Like what I think above all that,

1064
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: like in this conversation is so wonderful is that there

1065
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: are now more and more different avenues for people to

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00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: thrive in media. When you have things like podcasts and

1067
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: game broadcasts, and now you have the Manning cast, the simulcast,

1068
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: the Pat McAfee style shows. Like it's not just you

1069
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: have to be on one of the you know, the

1070
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: three or four major networks that that carries NFL broadcasts

1071
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: to be someone who's regarded as a very talented, skilled

1072
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: broadcaster anymore. But yeah, gush, Jarnett, I'm rude. I want

1073
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: Darius Butler to get like a role on like Good

1074
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: Morning Football or NFL Lived or something like that. Um yeah,

1075
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: I just I think he's deserving. Like, dude works his

1076
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: butt off and he's he's so freaking good. Nice guy too.

1077
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: I like Greg Olson. I mean, I think everybody in

1078
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: the list is obviously really good, you know, in terms

1079
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: of player turn broadcaster, but Olson in short order has

1080
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: really mastered the art of being succinct and to the point,

1081
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, he speaks the modern game well, he knows

1082
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: the modern players. He relates to the players. But also too, Lara,

1083
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: you can appreciate this. He understands TV. Yeah, that's so key.

1084
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to understand what you're supposed

1085
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: to be doing and what your role is. And he

1086
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: also understands it appears what everybody else around him is

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00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: doing and what their roles are. Right Understanding the producer,

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00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: the director, knowing what they need out of you each

1089
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: moment of the broadcast. That's a really hard thing to do.

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00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: So he understands football, but he also understands TV and

1091
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: meshing the two, which I think is probably what you know,

1092
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: as we talked to Tracy about, probably the toughest thing

1093
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: for some guys to to learn and be educated on.

1094
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: They can sit there and talk ball all day, but

1095
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: you've got time constraints, and you've got windows and ads

1096
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: and sponsors and things you've got to take into consideration.

1097
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: And so when you can marry those two things, that's

1098
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: when I think you really got it figured out. And

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00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: Greg Olson, what two three years away from playing, and

1100
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: he's already figured that out and he's the number one

1101
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: guy on Fox for good reason. Do you think that

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00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: part of the way he's been able to master that

1103
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: so well is because as a tight end like the

1104
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: versatility is critical to your success and the position everything.

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00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: That's why, you know, that's part of how he had

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00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: so you know, such sustained success over you know, so

1107
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: many seasons as a player was because of how you

1108
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: could utilize him within your offense in a number of

1109
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: different situations because of the nature of the tight end position.

1110
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: So it makes maybe that translation over to TV, where

1111
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, in this situation, I'm doing this. In

1112
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: this situation, I'm here. Maybe that goes back to just

1113
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: those you know, those things that are grained in you

1114
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: from from playing that position. In particular. I'm very excited

1115
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: for the Thursday night football coverage lineup this year with

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01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: Amazon taking it over, so we know Ryan Fitzpatrick's joining it. Um.

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01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: He's a guy who seems like an absolute natural. I

1118
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: randomly saw Ryan Fitzpatrick. We were in in LA doing

1119
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: a shoot form for an upcome, upcoming interviews that you'll

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Speaker 1: see here coming up very soon ahead of this season,

1121
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: and uh, Ryan Fitzpatrick's just walking down the street and

1122
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm like poking some of the people who are with

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: us from here. I'm like, guys, yeah, I'm like, guys,

1124
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: it's Ryan for Patrick. No, No, I just gotta because

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01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick. Like, we're in LA, you know, like it's

1126
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: not unusual, you know, it's not like we're in like,

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01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, like Louisville, Kentucky and he's walking down

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Speaker 1: It's like, LA was like where can I say, like,

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01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: where's where? It's like random, like I was also just

1130
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: ho no, but I was just back home in Louisville.

1131
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: So but yeah, yeah, just walking around me. Yeah so

1132
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: and cal So Ryan Fitzpatrick is rocking the Beard is

1133
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: going to join it. Um just announced today Andrew Whitworth

1134
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: and low key one of my favorites a keep to

1135
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: leeb are going to be a part of the Thursday

1136
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: of football coverage and Keep to Leib is just different

1137
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: on it and I kind of appreciate it. I know

1138
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: he's not for everyone. Um, I appreciate how just again

1139
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: just how different listening to a game or listening to

1140
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 1: his analysis, because like that dude keeps it very real

1141
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that about him. And I think it's

1142
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: really interesting though, Like with Whitworth and with like Ryan Let'spatrick,

1143
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,479
Speaker 1: these guys are have never had a rep never quote

1144
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: unquote taken a snap of television and broadcast boot camp. Yeah,

1145
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: it's just it's really interesting to me. I'm like, I

1146
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: would be very curious to know, like what was the

1147
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: audition process like for this to note, Like because it's

1148
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: not something that everyone can do, is just make that

1149
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: immediate leap like Wolson has done. Like, so this is

1150
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: a gamble on some of these guys, especially to see

1151
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: how they mesh together. Because in a studio show, kem

1152
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: history is key. That's why the good studio shows are

1153
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: so good. Like the Fox Studio Show is incredible. You know,

1154
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: CBS's pregame show really really strong because a lot of

1155
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: those guys have been together for a really long time. Yeah,

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01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: And I think it just depends on you know, the

1157
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: personalities of the room and that. But um, some strong

1158
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: personalities and that one a lot of strong personalities. But

1159
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, Larry, it doesn't always work out.

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean there's a guy who I mentioned there not

1161
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: to you know, throw Ane under the bus, who got

1162
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: a big deal from a network and it hasn't quite

1163
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: worked out. And now you might not see him a

1164
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: whole lot on that network on NFL coverage. So it

1165
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: is a bit of a balancing act when you're trying

1166
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: to project, all right, is this guy I mean Tom Brady, Yeah,

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01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean Tom Brady got like he's gonna make a

1168
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: billion dollars as a broadcaster. Is he gonna be good.

1169
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: We don't really know. Yeah, at anything. Yeah, he's gonna

1170
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: be good to I mean Tom Brady, the last Montreal

1171
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: Expos draft pick to play tional sports. Still there you go.

1172
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: Anthill probably hit a home run. I don't know, probably,

1173
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: but he could still. Like, if you gave Tom Brady

1174
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: a baseball bat today and say, go hit a home

1175
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: run at Tropicana Field, he probably could. Here's the thing

1176
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: about Tom Brady is, even if it's something he's not

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01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: naturally good at, he has like it ingrained in him

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01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: that it did work to make it happen. Like, even

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01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: if it's like doesn't come naturally. That's a guy who's

1180
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: going to pour himself into mastering what it to be good.

1181
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: And let's be honest, if he wants anyone to help

1182
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: coach him, he has everyone at his disposal. He picks

1183
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: up a phone. Hey, you know, like Jim nance you

1184
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: want to come and sit and you know this time

1185
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: next year at his house game together. Yeah, they're gonna

1186
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: be hosting like a boot camp at his house. Yeah,

1187
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, like thirty six straight hours on rewatching cell

1188
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: phone footage of him trying to be the best broadcaster

1189
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: he can be. Gotta watch the tape. Hey, let's go

1190
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: to the mail bag. Let's play the jingle. Here's the

1191
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,479
Speaker 1: mail It never fills and makes me want to wag

1192
01:03:55,560 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: my tail. This week's mail bag question comes from at

1193
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: cn price four six four six on Twitter. I'm expecting

1194
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan to be a significant upgrade over Carson Wentz.

1195
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: What concerns me is that the Falcons traded him for

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01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: only a third rounder and absorbed forty plus million in

1197
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: dead cap money, where the Falcons trust just trying to

1198
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: accommodate Ryan Army high expectations warranted. I thought this was

1199
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: interesting because I've seen this question from a couple of people,

1200
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: and I've got it a couple of times just from

1201
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: talking to friends about you know, why did the Colts

1202
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: only get it only have to trade a third round

1203
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: pick for Matt Ryan. Why were the Falcons willing to

1204
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: absorb such a dead cap hit to get Matt Ryan

1205
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis? And these are very much unprecedented circumstances in

1206
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: terms of the background of this trade. With the Falcons

1207
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Speaker 1: pursuing Deshaun Watson, Matt Ryan starting to think about, hey,

1208
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: if if Watson comes to Atlanta, what does my career

1209
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: look like after that getting you know, his arms wrapped

1210
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: around own. Maybe the cults are a good option. And

1211
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: the big part of this that we need to just

1212
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: mention is that Matt Ryan had a roster bonus due

1213
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: and he I believe it was due the Thursday before

1214
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: the Browns traded for Watson, so before Watson made that decision,

1215
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,919
Speaker 1: and Matt Ryan said to the Falcons, hey, let's push

1216
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: it back to next week. So when once he did that,

1217
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: it gave the Falcons a little bit more time to

1218
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: continue their pursuit of Deshaun Watson. And who does that,

1219
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: by the way, too, I mean what a class move,

1220
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: like one hundred one percent class moved by Marian. He

1221
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: could have held that over their head and been like, well,

1222
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: too bad, you owe me my money. But so because

1223
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: he pushed it back to money, you can't keep indefinitely

1224
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: pushing it back, like eventually that's going to become due.

1225
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: So because of that, Deshaun Watson says, all right, I'm

1226
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: picking the Browns on Friday. Matt Ryan then over that weekend,

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01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, the Falcons basically have to trade him. At

1228
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: that point, it's over. It's over, and they have to

1229
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: trade him by Monday, so there wasn't like there's this

1230
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: long negotiating window. At that point in March, a lot

1231
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: of teams had already made their move at quarterback. One

1232
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: of the teams that didn't would have been the Carolina Panthers.

1233
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: But you're probably not trading a fourteen year veteran in

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01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: your own division. So at that point you kind of

1235
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: feel like the Falcons, okay, you only trade him for

1236
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: a third rounder, but they didn't have a ton of leverage,

1237
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: Like if Matt Ryan got traded two weeks earlier, he

1238
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: would have probably fetched or draft compensation, but the way

1239
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: that it played out was a third rounder at that

1240
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: point was fair compensation. So you go ahead and you

1241
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: do it, absorbing the dead cap money. I think you

1242
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: probably do that anyway. Dead cap is this kind of

1243
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: it's something that I think gets a little too much

1244
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: attention these days, where you're talking about trading a guy

1245
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: or releasing a guy but still having his cap charge

1246
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: on your salary cap. Right. It's something a lot of

1247
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: teams have. A lot of teams have a lot of

1248
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: dead cap on their their ledgers. It's not as big

1249
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: of a issue as it was previously, so That's how

1250
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: I kind of feel about it, Matey. On the expectations

1251
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: part of it, I don't think that the compensation for

1252
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and the way that it went down should

1253
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: change our expectations after seeing him during OTAs in mini camps. No,

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01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean, well, he's been so precise, so money with

1255
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: the football. I mean, yeah, he looks something. He's got

1256
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: two years left in the contract. I mean, based on

1257
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: the way he played. And again, I know it's mini camp,

1258
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: it's not live, there's no pads. I understand that, but

1259
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: he looks he looked incredibly sharp. And when when this

1260
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: didn't happen for the Falcons getting Deshaun Watson, it was

1261
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: so incredibly public. Is like your girlfriend putting out on

1262
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: Twitter or Instagram, all these social media matches I had

1263
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, it's like, hey, I want to date

1264
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: the captain of the football team. I'm going after him.

1265
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if I can get it. And then

1266
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: when that doesn't happen, when she can't land a date

1267
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: with the captain of the football team, you don't want

1268
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: to get back together with her. She doesn't want to

1269
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: get back together with you. So I think the Falcons

1270
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: did right by Matt Ryan. Just as you said, you

1271
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: know the week of that pursuit of Deshaun Watson. He

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Speaker 1: did right by Atlanta. They sent him to a place

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01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: where he wanted to go. They got what they could

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Speaker 1: for him, and they did right by a guy that

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01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: has poured his heart and soul into that franchise, took

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01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: him to two NFC title games, took him to a

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01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: super Bowl, he won an MVP there with Atlanta. He

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01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: was the face of the franchise. So they took care

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01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: of him and his next destination while they continued to

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01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: overhaul their roster. They got a third round pick, probably

1281
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: could have gotten more, but they did right by Matt Ryan,

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01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: because he's Matt Ryan. When you have that kind of

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01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: a split after fourteen years in such a successful time,

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01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: not every team owes it to the quarterback, and not

1285
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: every team or the player. Not every team follows through

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01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: on it. But kudos to the Falcons for respecting where

1287
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan wanted to go. Like Matt Ryan had earned

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01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: the right to say I really want to go to

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01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: Indianapolis by the years that he put in for that

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01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: franchise and the impact he had on that franchise. And

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean and just the public stuff he went through

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01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: those two weeks of March. Yep, I really, I mean

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01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: that that was a hard thing. It really was. That's

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01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: not an easy thing to go through. Hey, let's get

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01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: to the random thought of the week. All right, we're

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Speaker 1: going right after it. It's fourth of July coming up

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: next week, guys, or I should say a Monday before

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01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: the July weekend on the near horizon lair. I love

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Speaker 1: the fourth of July. It's my favorite holiday because it's hot,

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01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: you're outside, you can do everything. You're fourth of July

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01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,759
Speaker 1: beyond Thanksgiving, Christmas, beyond Super Bowl Sunday, which I consider

1302
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: a national holiday. You can do everything old cotton. You

1303
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: can be out there. You can swim. I know, you know,

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01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: gifts are not exchanged. There's you know, it's you don't

1305
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: get together typically with your extended family. But I love

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01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: it because it's just the all American day. You can swim, boat, grill,

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: you're outside listening to music, you're playing games. You got baseball,

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01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: you got fireworks. You're staying up till eleven o'clock at

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01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: nine around the fire pit, staying wait what I'm sorry,

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01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: staying up until eleven o'clock like that's that's like, really,

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: that's really going wild buck wild step till eleven j J.

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01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: You want to back me up here, I actually do

1313
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: want to back Mattay up eleven o'clock as a late

1314
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: night kid. Men's about it midnight last night. It was

1315
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: a Monday kids, that was a money day. You require

1316
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: like four hours of sleep. You're probably up at five o'clock.

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01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: Come over to my house for ten minutes and then

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01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 1: we'll talk. Holy mind, I love him too. It's like,

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: I mean, it's great you stay up until eleven o'clock

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01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: at night. You got you got a lot of kids

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01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: served up from the dads, and you got a lot

1322
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 1: of from people. All these millennials are throwing tomatoes at

1323
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: they're Bluetooth speakers right now. I get it, trust me,

1324
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm in a bucket. Can you can you just tell everyone?

1325
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 1: Share with everyone what your Fourth of July entails? Like

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01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of just I just did I just I'm outside

1327
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: from you're just like barefoot with your fred Flintstone feet

1328
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: up around like mine, Like, hey, I like my feet.

1329
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: I got I take care of my feet all right?

1330
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: Your feet are everything. When your feet hurt, your whole

1331
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: body hurts. Uh, No, I mean more, Jerrytric, I just

1332
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: parked further away from the curb, how about it? No,

1333
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: I just I just love the Fourth of July. So

1334
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: where I want to know? I want to know, do

1335
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: you like fireworks? And if so, what's the best fireworks

1336
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: show that you've ever seen? I really do love the

1337
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: Fourth of July because I am one who I go

1338
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: all in on a theme like so, I really like

1339
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: a little red, white, and blue paraphernilia like I I

1340
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: actually do several like wardrobe changes. On the Fourth of

1341
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: July we have we go to a friend's house and

1342
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, our best friends who live out

1343
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: at Geist host the party of the year fourth. So

1344
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: I always go out there and stay the night and

1345
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: it's fantastic. We stay up later than eleven Mayta. If

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01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: you can only believe that, Well, right, if I get

1347
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: on my calendar, fireworks, I'm fine with like yeah, sure,

1348
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: like it's it's fine. Um the best fireworks show I

1349
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: would think. I'm probably obligated to say because I grew

1350
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: up in southern Indiana Louisville area. There is thunder over Louisville,

1351
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: which for many many years was known as the world's

1352
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: largest fireworks display. It kicks off Derby season in Kentuckiana

1353
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: and it is massive. I mean the entirety of the

1354
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, um of the border there on the Kentucky side,

1355
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: in the Indiana side, everywhere there along the Ohio River.

1356
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, people start setting up their chairs hours and

1357
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: hours and hours ahead of time. So I actually witnessed

1358
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: the very first one, like as a child, and I'm

1359
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 1: not sure that you know anything kind of surpasses that

1360
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: when you're so little and this is all high up

1361
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: and then that's kind of the big first fireworks display

1362
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: that you see. So that was probably the best one.

1363
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: But I will say something I love if if people

1364
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,520
Speaker 1: are in town on the fourth of July. The Indianapolis

1365
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: Indians do an outstanding job. They play a game on

1366
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: fourth of July and they do fireworks at the end

1367
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: of the night. It's such a wonderful family event. You

1368
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: can sit on the lawn if you want to. For

1369
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: many years when I worked at Fox fifty nine, we

1370
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: would do a live show out there on the fourth

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01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: of July and I would do some live hits out

1372
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: there and it was always a blast. So if anyone

1373
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: is in town and doesn't have plans or you're someone

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01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: who doesn't have kind of a Fourth of July tradition,

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01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: that's a great one to take advantage of. Mate. You're

1376
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: actually out doing a little doing a little baseball last

1377
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: week and they had fireworks. Yeah, they're they're fantastic. Absolutely

1378
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: going along with that. The best baseball fireworks I ever saw.

1379
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: I was in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in the middle of July

1380
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: about six seven years ago at a Tulsa Drillers game

1381
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: double A team. Don't ask me who they're an affiliate of,

1382
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: but they had fireworks after the game, and I think

1383
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: they were also so related to like the city. The

1384
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: city was putting them on as well. So after the

1385
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: game was over, it turn the lights off like you

1386
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: typically see it a major league baseball game or a

1387
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: minor league baseball game. Fantastic show, probably twenty five minutes,

1388
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 1: so I'll sync to music, of course. The best overall

1389
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 1: fireworks show I ever saw or have ever been to

1390
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: probably no surprise, Disney World. That's tough to top. Yeah,

1391
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: they project the images on the castle there in the

1392
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: Magic Kingdom. And you know, just if you're a little kid, hell,

1393
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: if you're a thirty six year old, big kid like me.

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01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: It was phenomenal, huge, huge into the night into the

1395
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: trip with the fireworks show. Did you have to take

1396
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: a five hour energy to stay up for it because

1397
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: you have to wait until it gets dark down back

1398
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: in March? Back in March, and it also gets darker

1399
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: there on the East coast Larra. So it was it

1400
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: was about nine, it was. It was within the threshold

1401
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: of the bedtime. Oh boy about you JJ to quote

1402
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: Kanye West. Fireworks on Lake Michigan. Yeah, that's it. I

1403
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: mean Chica, I go Chicago's Fourth of July fireworks show

1404
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: is outstanding. It's really cool. Um, always super crowded, but um,

1405
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: that's a that's a really cool thing I got to do.

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01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: I used to live right by the lake, so you

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01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: could kind of just walk over to the lake, go

1408
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: catch some fireworks, walk on back to your house. It

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,879
Speaker 1: was great. It was great. It was a no traffic,

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01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: A lot of people, I would assume a lot of

1411
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: people go out on boats probably on that night. Yeah,

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01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: I did that whole area. I did a boat for

1413
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,879
Speaker 1: the Air and Water show in Chicago once. Oh yeah, awesome.

1414
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: Oh that that was really cool. Yeah. Yeah, you talk

1415
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: about American pride, right there that was all in on

1416
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: that you have fighter jets going over this is great. Um, yeah,

1417
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: that'd probably be mine. Not surprising again anyone who knows me. Hey,

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01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: speaking of Americana, guys, The Jim Rsay Collection is coming

1419
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis. The Collections making a stop at Lucas Oil

1420
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: Stadium September ninth and tenth. The event will be open

1421
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,480
Speaker 1: to the public and while tickets are free, advanced registration

1422
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 1: will be required to attend. You can follow Jim Rsay

1423
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: Collection on Facebook and Twitter for additional details. Is the

1424
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: event gets closer, I mean you talk about I'm there,

1425
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: I'll be there September ninth. I am going to be there.

1426
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see that. And I had a

1427
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: chance to see the collection at a previous stop or

1428
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: lure this summer and it is incredible. It is so

1429
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: worth your time. I'm going to try to maybe get

1430
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: my dad up here at Joan would enjoy walking around

1431
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: and check the thing. And how awesome is it too

1432
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 1: that this is something that you could easily charge admission for,

1433
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: but it's it's open to the public, it's it's free.

1434
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: It's something that you know no one has access to

1435
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: be able to see these type of things and enjoy

1436
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: this type of history in this collection. Very very cool

1437
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: that Jim Say, the owner and CEO of the of

1438
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: the Colts, is kind of sharing all this stuff with

1439
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: everyone and for free. So be sure to again follow

1440
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: the Jim Say Collection on Facebook and Twitter for additional

1441
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: details as we get closer to the event. As we

1442
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: get closer to the end of the week and fourth

1443
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: of July weekend. On Friday, The Last Word will bust

1444
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: out the burning questions on the defensive line you guys

1445
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 1: at a chat with DeForest Buckner that you can listen

1446
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: to that on well as well. On Wednesday, the Colts

1447
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: Reunion Podcast will have a sit down with Colts Ring

1448
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: of Honor member Dwight Freeney. That's with Jeffrey Gorman and

1449
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: Bill Brooks again. Next week we are off for the

1450
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: fourth of July. The podcast the Official Cults Podcast. We'll

1451
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: be back on July twelfth. We'll have a sit down

1452
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: with Quitty pay talking about his trip to Africa for

1453
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: the NFL's involvement in an NFL Africa event. They're really

1454
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: cool stuff, really neat that Quitty got to go to

1455
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: his home continent for the first time. Since his family

1456
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: had to flee. I believe it was Sierra Leone, Liberia,

1457
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: well as Liberia through Guinea through I think Sierra Leone,

1458
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: then on to Rhode Island when he was, you know,

1459
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: just a little infant. So that's gonna be a really

1460
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: interesting interview. Be sure to tune in for that. Anyways,

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01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to us here on

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01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: the Official Colts Podcast presented by Winbett. I'm JJ stankovits

1463
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: for Matt Taylor and Lara Overton. Thank you so much

1464
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: for listening. We will talk to you next time.