1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Car Stories 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: with Sun. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: King and Amelia Hartford. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: And today we get to talk to our dear friend 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Die Yoshihara, living legend, his story of how he came 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: to the United States, how he got into drifting. 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a story about where he came from nothing, 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: having moved from Japan, coming to the US, winning a 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: championship and more than that, he raises gript driving, has 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: done Pike's Peak, which is a famous mountain course in 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: Colorado Springs, and he's. 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: Just so zen. 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: You know, he just has this piece about him and 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: it's very hard for him to talk about himself and 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: maybe that's the Japanese thing. But having this conversation to 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: hear his story, you learn about why the community respects 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: him so much. 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think a good takeaway is to treat 19 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: others with kindness. 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you'll be able to surround yourself with 21 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: the people that that will help you pursue your dreamy. So, 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: without further ado, mister Dai Yoshihara, So let's talk about 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: your your origins with drifting. Yeah, can you tell us 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: how you started and where'd you learn it? Like, where'd 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: you fall? In love with it. How you became a 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: professional jurist driver. 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 4: It's kind of long story, but uh, you know, I'm 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: from Japan and I was one of those street racer 29 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 4: back in the days. But also I've been always looking 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: up to US culture ever since I watched Top Gun, 31 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 4: like back in that was eighty six, but I watched 32 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 4: the movie like maybe early nineties. But anyway, it's like 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: those are two like my interests, like driving and you know, 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 4: US culture. Right after Fast Inferiors in Japan spoke compact 35 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 4: culture was kind of popping. It's kind of like a 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: us DM custom cars, not just like a you know, 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: like drift cars or anything like that. It's more like 38 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 4: Honters and so basically the cars from the past and furious. 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 4: So around that time, I was like really into that. 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: And then I met the guy from the US and 41 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 4: who did the car show in the US at the time, 42 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, maybe drifting will be the next thing, 43 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 4: And I took me to the Japanese Mountain Road. 44 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: He really liked it. 45 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 4: A few months later he invited me to compete in 46 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 4: the US drifting competition. 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: That was my beginning. So can you give us your 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: history of your first car. Were you always into cars 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: growing up? And like where did you learn how to drive? 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: Because and also togay for the listening audience, can you 51 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: first let's explain what togay is. 52 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 4: Okay, So togay is basically a mountain roll. So yeah, 53 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 4: I will stay tokay as a Kenyon road, I guess. 54 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: So my first car was eighty to eighty six Corolla 55 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: and yeah, I always wanted to, you know, get a 56 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 4: car ever since I was a kid. So as soon 57 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: as I get a driver license, I already had the car, 58 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 4: which was two hundred bucks. And then just every now 59 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 4: I just put like ten ten liter gas because gas 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 4: is the most expensive thing, you know, at the time 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 4: for me, So just put like a ten litter which 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 4: is like four garrow maybe, and then just drive mountain 63 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 4: all night until it gets empty and then come back. 64 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 4: So that's how I practice myself, maybe like a year 65 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: or so. 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: So you're self taught pretty much. Really, Yeah that's crazy. 67 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: Yeah wow, Well but I watched a lot of videos. 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 4: One of the popular one is the Drift Bible from 69 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: ka Who is who is people called drifting? 70 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: Maybe you guys can explain who he is? Kg Suchiya 71 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: is he's actually in Tokyo Drift yes, all right, so 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: he is essentially known as the drift King. And he 73 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 1: started driving the A eighty six when he was young. 74 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: And there's a manga called Initial D very famous manga, 75 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: and it's about this character Takumi that lives in the 76 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: Togay mountains and he delivers Tofu and he was a 77 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: consultant on this manga. And that's why this you know, 78 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five eighty six Hachiroku Corola A eighty six 79 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: has become the grandfather of drift cars, right, and so 80 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: Suchiya san is still alive, and he would be like 81 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan of drifting. All right, that's a very 82 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: good way to say. Yeah, I mean, did he inspire 83 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: you to get the A eighty six? Was he like 84 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: a hero of yours? Yes? 85 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean at the time I didn't really like 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 4: it was like more like no choice because it was 87 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 4: super cheap. It's not like this is a car I 88 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: wanted to drive back in the days, right, But now 89 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 4: this is still my favorite cars just because that's the 90 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 4: car I learned how to drive. But yeah, so for sure, 91 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 4: suggestn't helped a lot of people to you know, knowing 92 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 4: this car, it's so different and be inspired. 93 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now where are you from in Japan? 94 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 4: I'm from Tokyo but east I'm sorry, west side of Tokyo, 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 4: which is a little bit countryside in a way, so 96 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 4: it's pretty easy to access to the togi which is 97 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: a canyon roads. 98 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: Which toga would you drive? 99 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: I have a few different, but it's called those togi 100 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 4: and then old that me. 101 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: So is that like saying Mulholland canyon out there much? 102 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so there's a few in the area, so 103 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: just go there, like and. 104 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: Would you drift or would you just drive really fast? 105 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 4: I did drift specifically in the beginning. Now is it 106 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 4: Are there a lot of police up there? Yeah? I 107 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 4: don't know if this kind of touchy subject, but because 108 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: I think we should say like no street driving, right absolutely, 109 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 4: But yeah, back in the days there's a. 110 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: Lot of cops. 111 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: But you know, we of course run away, and here 112 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 4: in japan's a little different like here, I think it's 113 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: more more crazy, but Japan, like if you run away, 114 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 4: then I don't think most police will really chase you 115 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 4: too hard because it's it gets dangerous for the driver 116 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 4: and then other people as well, right, so they just 117 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 4: let you go you know where. But also we never 118 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: really do, you know, when you have a lot of 119 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: traffic with a lot of people around. So I mean 120 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: there's a you know, a few people do that too, 121 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 4: but most of the time I try to pick most 122 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 4: like like quiet like thing around no home, so trying 123 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: not to like, you know, kissed people off kind. 124 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: Of thing, not to like disturb the piece. 125 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very Japanese. Yeah, I guess you're 126 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: breaking the law, but you're doing it. What drew you 127 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: to start drifting opposed to like drag racing or track racing, 128 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: track driving? Like what was the thing that called to 129 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: you to become a drifter? 130 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 4: So before I get a driver's license, I got a 131 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 4: I was riding a motorcycle. In Japan, you get the 132 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: license driver's license when you get eighteen, but you you 133 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: can get a motorcycle license at sixteen. So those two years, 134 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: I was riding a motorcycle and I was riding on 135 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 4: the mountain one night and then I just saw the 136 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 4: call is drifting coming at me, which is kind of 137 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: kind of scary, but it was so cool to see that, 138 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 4: and from that moment, I'm like I have to do this. 139 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: So that's how I got into it. 140 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: Was that car in a eighty six. 141 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: No, I can't remember what was, but it was super 142 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 4: cool moment, right, So and then I started like watching 143 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 4: those videos and kind of like study the culture. 144 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: What did your parents think about you getting into cars 145 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: and pursuing this like journey and. 146 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course they were like a typical parents, so 147 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 4: they didn't like it at all. 148 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: A long time. What were they hoping you were going 149 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: to do with your life, just. 150 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: Like the regular stuff, like, you know, go to the 151 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 4: college and you know what got I don't know, like 152 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 4: some cool big company or something like that. 153 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: What did your parents do for work? 154 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 4: Actually, my dad was working with his brother who had 155 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 4: the used car dealer. Okay, so he likes cars as well, 156 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: so he kind of understood. But at the same time 157 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 4: he was key telling me like just get the you know, 158 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: normal job and kind of things. 159 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: So, so, how did they feel about you coming to 160 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: the United States and giving up your life in Japan? 161 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: I mean, for the for our listeners too, I'd love 162 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: you to maybe share like that journey of how you 163 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: ended up in America, right, because it is like an 164 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: almost an American dream. Success story. 165 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, so kind of back to what I told 166 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: you guys, I had one chance to come to the 167 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 4: stage to compete for drifting. So actually a guy named 168 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: Kim Yoshi who had the car show back in the days, 169 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: and he you know back in the days. Of course, 170 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: I didn't have money, so he got me a ticket 171 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: to fly here, and he got me a place to stay, 172 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 4: which is his house. And then I did one competition 173 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: and I did pretty good. I got like top eight, 174 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 4: So that kind of opened up my opportunity. And back 175 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 4: back then, I was working for used car dealer in Japan, 176 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 4: but I thought that was a good opportunity. So after 177 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 4: that I quit the job and then I started coming 178 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: to the States, but of course I didn't have a visa, 179 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 4: so I have to stay here for like two months 180 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 4: and go back to Japan. I was basically back in 181 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 4: a fall at what it was, I was twenty four 182 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 4: and then slowly getting sponsors and stuff, and maybe a 183 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: few months after a former drift just started. So that 184 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: was back in two thousand and three, and then Formula 185 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 4: D was started at the two thousand and four and 186 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 4: I got sponsors and the team to compete for the season. 187 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 4: So that was kind of a second chance, and I 188 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: just keep back in forth and yeah, it's a long 189 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 4: story show. Four years after I finally got a visa 190 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 4: and then around that time, finally I was able to 191 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 4: make some money. And so that's kind of like when 192 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, this is my this is going to 193 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 4: be my career. Until then, I wasn't even sure. And 194 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 4: then back to your question, my parents are like, what 195 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 4: the hell you're doing. They understand that I like cars 196 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 4: a and I like the US, but they didn't think 197 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 4: it's going to be a career. So it was kind 198 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 4: of tough time to be honest. 199 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you say sponsors, like, because I have 200 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: no experience on like what it takes to get a sponsor, right, 201 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: And do they pay? Do they give you a salary 202 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: so you're able to like pay rent and eat or 203 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: do they just pay for your racing season to maintain 204 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: the car? Like how does that work? Especially when you're 205 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: starting out right to do a race, it's going to 206 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: cost you, right. So I was driving for a team 207 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: the team called Pacific RIM. So some are just the part. 208 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: For example, like the tires. 209 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 4: I was sponsored by Yokohama Tire back in the day, 210 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 4: so they surprise tires and then some company give you 211 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: some budget as well, so those are like the beginning 212 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 4: of the drifting. And then I think slowly the dollar 213 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 4: amount got bigger so that the left doorver will be 214 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 4: the team owners salary. 215 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, so you're not making money really for 216 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: a long time, a long time. Now, Yeah, there are 217 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: professional drifters today actually making a good living. 218 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say all of them. Maybe in the States 219 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 4: is still one of the biggest series, so I think 220 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 4: maybe half who we're making some money. 221 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: So then how do they actually stay competitive with the 222 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: guys that are making money? What do they do? 223 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's kind of like a tough part of 224 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 4: you know competition, right, because if you're good, you get 225 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 4: more support, so yeah, you can get even better. But 226 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 4: if you don't have a supports, it's hard for you 227 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 4: to improve for you know, doing a practice and getting 228 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 4: better cars. It just everything is cost you, right. I think, 229 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: you know a lot of new guys and watching the 230 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 4: Formula drift drift these days, a lot of new talented 231 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 4: driver and they're doing good. So I think eventually they're 232 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 4: going to get bigger sponsors, and then that's how you 233 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: kind of rotate. 234 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: I guess. 235 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 3: Mm. 236 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: A lot of drivers also on top of driving, do 237 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: they not also run their own businesses to try to 238 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: help supplement the cost, right. 239 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 4: Right, So I think that's a lot of a lot 240 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 4: of people like that. If they have a shop, they 241 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: have a brand, and that's kind of like, yeah, offset 242 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 4: some of the cost of doing the race. 243 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: So when you moved over to America, did you experience 244 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: America being what you thought it was going to be 245 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: in your head? Yeah, I guess so, yeah, Yeah, it 246 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: was it easy transition. No, no, because I couldn't really 247 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I still I'm not really good at English, 248 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: but even worse back in the day, so it was 249 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: hard to even communicate. Just to go to drive through, 250 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, it took me a while to order some 251 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: stuff that I wanted to But yeah, it was really 252 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: cool to be here. 253 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think at one point 254 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 4: also I realized, you know, Japan is such a cool 255 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 4: country too, Like you know, sometimes you kind of like 256 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: look back and kind of see from the outside. 257 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: It's like a different perspective. 258 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, I remember, like one time I was like, oh, 259 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: maybe I should go back to Japan. 260 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: How come we never went back. 261 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why, but yeah, that was like 262 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: one of the phase. And then after a while, I'm 263 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: now I'm more comfortable in a state. So it's been 264 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 4: like fourteen fifteen years since I moved to the states. 265 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: Now and you started a family now right right? 266 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? 267 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: How many how many kids? 268 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: Ye? 269 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: Two boys? 270 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: How old are there? 271 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: Eight and a five? 272 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: Are they into driving? 273 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: Not really? 274 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 4: No, you know, And I'm not really trying to push 275 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: them to do it neither. And again it's you know, 276 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: it's an expensive hobby and it's really hard to make 277 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 4: living out of it, So I don't want to push them. 278 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 4: If they want to do it, I would try to 279 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 4: support as much as I can, but it's not cheap. 280 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the saying is in racing, it takes a big 281 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: fortune to make a small one. 282 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 283 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: But you know, die, you're fairly still very young. Like 284 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: why did you retire? Like how old are you? Like 285 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: forty forty five? 286 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 287 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean that is that like way beyond like the 288 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: prime of a drift drivers? Like is that why you retired? 289 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Like I don't understand why you retired. When you announced 290 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: your retirement, I was like, where's it going? That's I 291 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: gonna do. 292 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: So I retire from Formula Drift, one of the biggest 293 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 4: drifting series in the world, and I've done since day 294 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 4: one and it's been eighteen years for me, so you know, 295 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 4: I'm doing the same thing for a long. 296 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: Time, and I kind of wanted to change it up. 297 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: So, I mean, I still love drifting driving wise, but 298 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 4: the format of competition. 299 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: You knows, there's. 300 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 4: A lot lot of stuff going on like sponsors and 301 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 4: judges and everything. So I kind of wanted to stay 302 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 4: away for a little bit at least and see what 303 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 4: the other opportunity. So, for example, I did a movie 304 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 4: as a stunt driver last year and then with you. Yeah, 305 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: that wouldn't happen if I was still competing in the 306 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: Formula dred because you know, like we're on a shoe 307 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 4: for like a few months, yeah, and you. 308 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: Can be out for that long. 309 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 4: Like, once you're into this in a series, you have 310 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 4: to commit, right. 311 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: And bless your heart, you were telling me when you're 312 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: out there that you go straight from the movie to 313 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: then go back for Sema for a car that you built, 314 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: to then go to another project, right right. Definitely keeping 315 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: busy with with a lot of things yeah. 316 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: So, yeah, those are actually kind of new thing to me. So, yeah, 317 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: how was your experience like working on a movie? It 318 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: was super cool. 319 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 4: One of the coolest experience as I had, especially that 320 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 4: was a racing movie, so like on the truck, driving 321 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 4: with a lot of people, and every single day on 322 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 4: the race car and getting paid. 323 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: That was super dope. People think, like, you know, they 324 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: watch a movie, they think, like all the driving stuff 325 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: must be so fun, but there's a lot of waiting around. 326 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is kind of boring at times. 327 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: So the sayings, hurry up and wait right now. 328 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think this movie was one of the 329 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 4: fun one because this was my first movie. 330 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: I've done many commercials, but. 331 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: This was your first movie. 332 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah for the movie? 333 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, really, I don't know that. 334 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was super cool. 335 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 4: But I worked with a lot of the movie industry 336 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 4: stunt drivers, the guys that done so many like Fast 337 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 4: Inferiors and all the big movies. But they say this movie, 338 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 4: the one we did was really fun to do because 339 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 4: not so much waiting. Pretty much every day was driving, 340 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 4: so and once we were off, like a couple of 341 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 4: days off and just don't even go to the set. 342 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: We had some free times and stuff like that. Did 343 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: you get to drive in the movie? 344 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: I did not? 345 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: You didn't, no. 346 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: I so how they shot it? And I imagine they've 347 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: done things similar for Fast was there was a cage 348 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: on the roof of the car and there'd be a 349 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: driver on the roof controlling everything and the gas steering 350 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: and put and then I'm an actor in the driver's 351 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: sept and I can't see in front of me because 352 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: they have like screens to protect light from being too 353 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: harsh on the face, and a bunch of cameras and 354 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: I'm turning the steering wheel trying not to get nauseous, 355 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: acting like I'm driving when there's actually a driver on 356 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: the roof of the car. 357 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: How did that feel? Actually? 358 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 4: I was curious about that, especially you know how to drive. Yeah, 359 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 4: it seems like it's hard to act because you don't 360 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 4: know what really the car is going to do. 361 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: Right. 362 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: It was definitely nauseating, And there'd be times where the 363 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: director would be like, all right, someone's passing you on 364 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: your right, and because you can hear everything, the director 365 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 2: in our case, Neil blomb Camp, was saying, yeah, but 366 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't natural and racing for someone to pass 367 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: you on the right in this turn, so you'd still 368 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: be acting that's the job. But as a driver, you're like, 369 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: but no one would pass me on the right. This 370 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. 371 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: It was like perfect casting to have Amelia in that movie, right, 372 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: But it's frustrating that you don't get to actually drive. Yeah, 373 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: did you tell them you drive? 374 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: Oh? 375 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: They trust me. I tried to let them. I wanted 376 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: to drive the cage car. I wanted to be on 377 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: the roof and get to drive, do donuts, no matter. 378 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: Something for the listening audience. A cage car that you 379 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: want to kind of explain what that is. 380 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's basically where the driver's sitting on the roof. 381 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: Nowadays throttle and break. It was an automatic car, so 382 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: throttle and brake are now it's called drive by wire. 383 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: It's basically electronics, so they can move the pedals wherever 384 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: they want on the car and it still does the 385 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: same thing as if it were in the car and 386 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: someone's just driving on top of the roof with steering wheel, 387 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: and you have a steering wheel that doesn't really do 388 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: anything on the inside. 389 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: And they have to make like seven versions of the 390 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: car because they you know, they if you need like 391 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: a rear view, they cut the back of the car, 392 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: They cut the roof of the car. Sometimes the cars 393 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: like lift it up onto like a frame and then 394 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: the camera's on the floor to get all these reactions right. 395 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: And it's funny because people, you know, they meet me 396 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: and they go because of the fast and fears movies, 397 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: they just assume that I'm this, i'mute, like I. 398 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: Can drift, and then what do you mean you can't? 399 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: But the movies make it look like I know what 400 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: I'm doing right, But it's all pretending. So I mean 401 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: for the listeners out there, it's like, you know, they 402 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: do a great job with the special effects to make 403 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: us look like, you know, we know what we're doing. 404 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: But you know, I think, you know, stunt drivers they 405 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: do not get the credit that they deserve because when 406 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: you see the cars actually drifting on the track or 407 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: on the on the togay. I mean, there are real 408 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: people like yourself driving and putting their you know, lives 409 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: at risk. So I always try to give the people 410 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: that make us look good, you know, the credit. We 411 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: had Samuel Hubinet, he was my double for Tokyo Drift, 412 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, and he would always have a wig on 413 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: and they put all this like brown makeup on him 414 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: to make him look like me. But he's the one 415 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: that made me look like Han look great at drifting, 416 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: you know. So you know, thank you for what you're doing. 417 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: And you guys deserve so much credit. 418 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, you guys are put in your lives 419 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 2: in danger. 420 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know there's this, there's these conversations about you know, 421 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: people talking about how hard it is to pursue your dreams, right, 422 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: and that the idea, the notion of like the American 423 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: dream is over right, that you know, it's impossible to 424 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: like pursue your dreams today, right, And for those people 425 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: that have those type of like complaints like you are 426 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: a perfect example of the American dream happening, right, And 427 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: if you were to give advice or share some of 428 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: your philosophy of how you approach things in your life 429 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: and how you go and attack it. 430 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very hard, right. Even like myself, I didn't 431 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 4: really have like specific goal I want to be here 432 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 4: so I want to do this. I was like super 433 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 4: lucky to know a lot of people that who were 434 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 4: able to help me. At the end, I was I 435 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 4: got to the you know the spot that I wanted 436 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 4: to be, which was I'm super fortune. But I guess 437 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 4: you got to be out there and you got to 438 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 4: tell what you want to do or you know, many 439 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 4: people as possible, and promote yourself in a way because 440 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 4: you can't really achieve by yourself. 441 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: You got to tell people what you want. Yeah, I'm 442 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: not saying like begging to help. 443 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: But surround yourself with good people. Yeah, not be afraid 444 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: to share what you're trying to do. You must have 445 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: had different mentors throughout your life. 446 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 4: I guess yeah, yeah, but I have. I always have, 447 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 4: like a lot of good people helping me for some reason. 448 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: But what I mean for some reason? 449 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 450 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: What is the reason? I mean? I know it's hard 451 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: to talk about yourself die, but you're going to help 452 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: the listening audience kind of find a template or a 453 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: road that they could follow to pursue their dreams. Right, Like, 454 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: how did you surround yourself with these good people that 455 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: helped you? 456 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 4: I don't want to say I'm lucky, but I guess 457 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 4: you know, i'd be cool to those people. Try to 458 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 4: be cool so that people can cool back to you. Right, 459 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 4: That's one thing I've been trying to be nice to 460 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 4: you know, all the people, I admit, I don't know 461 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 4: if that's just the reason. 462 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: You're also a championship driver. So there's more than networking, right, 463 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: there's hard work that goes into it. Do you feel 464 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: like you have a different front work ethic than others 465 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: which helps you to be as successful as you are? 466 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 4: When I won a championship was twenty eleven, which is 467 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 4: a long time ago, so maybe the level was not 468 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 4: as crazy as these days, which is kind of lucky 469 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 4: for me, right, I was there in the beginning, like 470 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 4: learning drifting as the series growing up. 471 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: So so if. 472 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 4: I even me compete now, there's no way I can 473 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 4: do well. 474 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: I think you're just really humble, am I? 475 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's so hard to talk about yourself 476 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: when I've gotten to know you over the years. Die 477 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: and the people that surround you, you know, they have 478 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: so much respect for you. You know, not only are 479 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: you like easy to just hang out with and you 480 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: know it's nice to like crack a beer with you 481 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: and to shoot the ship and just hang out, there 482 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: is this like reverence. There is this like wow, this 483 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: is dye, you know, and I think it's like something 484 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: and in the way that how you carry yourself and 485 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: your kind of approach to like, you know, not only driving, 486 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: but then your approach as a person. That's something that 487 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: for any aspiring like professional driver or anybody with like 488 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: a dream in their life. It's not just how you 489 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: conduct yourself on the track, but how you conduct yourself 490 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: in daily life. 491 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: You know. 492 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: And something that I've always like really respected about you 493 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: is this balance that you have with your family, you know, 494 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: and like how did you like I know a lot 495 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: of people when they career oriented, they just think about 496 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: their career and they pretty much abandoned like their family responsibilities. 497 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: Can you speak on that, like how you approach balancing 498 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: your career and your family. 499 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's been like almost ten years being the 500 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 4: family man, so it definitely changed. Back back then, I 501 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 4: was more focusing on my career. But also I have 502 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 4: a really uh, well understanding wife, so that's a good 503 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: help as well. She's basically dealing with the kid like 504 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 4: twenty four seven. I mean, of course I help as 505 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 4: much as I can, but it's it's really compared to 506 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 4: her nothing. So I realized I have a really good 507 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 4: understanding wife. Yeah, in this kind of career, that's kind 508 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: of like a necessary way because you're always away. 509 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, has having kids changed you in any way? 510 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, having a kid, it's basically your priority, right So 511 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 4: to me, in a way, when I was competing, in 512 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 4: a way, I lost my hunger a little bit. So 513 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 4: that's kind of part of the reason why I decided 514 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 4: to quit competing inn FD as. 515 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: Well, hunger for winning or racing. No, no, I shouldn't 516 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: say that. It's Maybe it's different. 517 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: Hunger to stay up at four o'clock in the morning 518 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: making sure the cars. 519 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: Got Yeah, maybe something like that. 520 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 4: Like now it's a balance, right, Like if you if 521 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 4: I was when I was single and when I was 522 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 4: like hunting for the championship, but now I have a 523 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 4: family and kids, so in a way, I couldn't be 524 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: like as hungry or as like focused on this. Maybe 525 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 4: that's a bad thing, but it's not a bad thing. 526 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 4: I think that's a that's a wonderful thing. 527 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah, shows your priorities with your family, not 528 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 2: with winning and racing. 529 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean that's what I might. I would say I 530 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: have very few regrets in life, right, Like I try 531 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: to live in the moment and just keep moving forward. 532 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: But when I was in my thirties. You know, my 533 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: wife had asked me, she said, you know, do you 534 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: think we're going to have children? And I will never 535 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: forget what I told her. I looked at her in 536 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: her eyes and her parents. Her mother actually said that 537 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: if you guys have kids now or a child now, 538 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: I'll help you raise this child because I know you 539 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: guys still have to go and pursue your career and 540 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: you know, and and time is tight, money is tight. 541 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: And I looked at my life and I said, do 542 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: you think I came to like La or I'm staying 543 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: in La to like have a family, Like I came 544 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: here to like make it in Hollywood. And until I do, 545 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: I am not going to have children. And that's why 546 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: I have no kids. And I wouldn't say like I've 547 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: made it, but you know, now the fact that you know, 548 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: like I've had a career and you know, and I 549 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: can afford to like raise a family, the fact that 550 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: I don't have it. In hindsight, I go, this was 551 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: like the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life 552 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: having kids. Yeah, And I think about like legacy, like 553 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: you go, what is my legacy? It's going to be 554 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: being in a bunch of like fast and furious movies. 555 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: Like I thought that was important, but today I realized, like, yeah, 556 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: that's cool, but it's not every day I wake up, 557 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, and I have to like search for like 558 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: a purpose to like continue. You know. I think when 559 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: you have children, naturally, priorities change or focus change. The 560 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: way you see the world changes. You know, for most people, 561 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, they have their head on straight right, and 562 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: that's something that on a daily basis, like I'm looking 563 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: for to go, like what is my reason to be 564 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: alive on this earth? And definitely being in a bunch 565 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: of fast and furious movies is not it? 566 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: You know. 567 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: And I have a wife that, just like your wife, 568 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: would have been supportive even if we had no money, 569 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: even if I was working at McDonald's. I mean, she 570 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: would still support me pursuing my dream, you know. And 571 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, I share this with a lot of people 572 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: that you know that are younger and say, well, you know, 573 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: I'll wait till one day, but one day we'll show 574 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: up and it's going to be too late. 575 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: You know. 576 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: My wife, we can't have kids because she got cancer 577 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: and that put her into menopause and life, you know, 578 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: fucking punches you in your face and then kicks you 579 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: in your balls, and then you wake up one day 580 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: and you go, yeah, I might have this, but I 581 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: don't have the stuff that is important. And a lot 582 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: times I feel like completely like lost guys is really 583 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: because and I that's why I search for people like you, right, 584 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: and like ask these questions of like, you know, how 585 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: did you change? Like and I can see that there's 586 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: just this natural peace with you, you know, because I'm 587 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: sure your children and your family give you like this, 588 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, like sure footing. They give you a foundation, 589 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, and they give you like this north star, right, 590 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: which I feel like I don't have, you know. I 591 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: meet you know, men that are good fathers and they 592 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: walk differently than I do, you know, and I'm still 593 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: searching for it, you know. And people say, yeah, you know, 594 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: why don't you adopt and stuff, But you know, I'm 595 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: in my fifties now, and my wife she does not 596 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: want to adopt because she doesn't know if the cancer 597 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: is going to come back, you know, and she doesn't 598 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: want to have a child go through this stuff like 599 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, with a parent. And it's it's really weird 600 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: because I think about it and I go, you know, 601 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: when I become older, right, and I become like a 602 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: senior citizen, and let's say I get sick or you know, 603 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: I can't even wipe my butt one day, like you 604 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: know who's going to be there? Right, And that's really scary. 605 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 3: Right. 606 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: That's why in many ways, like if my wife passes 607 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: away before me, I don't really want to be around 608 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: too long because I don't have a reason to be alive. 609 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: And that's why I'm always searching. That's why the whole 610 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: point of this podcast is to like find these answers 611 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: because I don't have them, you know what I mean? Well, 612 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: thanks for sharing that. Yeah, I mean I urge people 613 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: out there if like they're afraid to have kids and 614 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: they're using excuses like you know, I have to wait 615 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: till I make money or I have this, and that 616 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: one day it's going to be too late. 617 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll admit that that's a weight on my shoulders 618 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: about about having kids or not because I don't think 619 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: I'm ready and I don't know what that ready is. 620 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 2: I weigh those same options that I'm scared to get 621 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: older or not have anyone someone to raise or take 622 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: care of, and also to take care of me when 623 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: I get to old, and it is the legacy of 624 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: what you want to leave behind on this earth, because 625 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like a lot of 626 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: stuff that you think matters when you're young, like it 627 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. 628 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: That's true. 629 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 2: I fortunately still have time. I just turned thirty. I 630 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: don't know look at that, but it's definitely something that 631 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: as I'm getting older, I'm like, Okay, I need to 632 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: put this on my radar if it's going to happen, 633 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: and make sure I'm conscious of it, because I'd rather 634 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: want the opportunity to have children and choose not to 635 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: then want them and not be able to I think 636 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: that's my biggest fear, so weighing that. So it's interesting 637 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: to hear you talk about that being when your larger 638 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 2: regrets in life. Yeah, because I fear that time going 639 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: by too quickly and I'm so excited about what I'm 640 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: doing today that as a guilder, that window closes or 641 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: that door closes. 642 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: And you know, outside looking in, like, how amazing would 643 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: it be to have you as a mother? Really? I mean, 644 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like what you represent just as a person, right, 645 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: and you know, like you know how you approach your 646 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: life and what you also represent to other women, and 647 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: you know the car community, and you know, I think 648 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: like if you had some daughters, man, they would be 649 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: like they would have like a badass mom. 650 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 3: Right. 651 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 2: So growing up I used to always think I'd want 652 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: a boy, But now that I go older, I'm like, yeah, 653 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: I'd want to raise some badass checks. 654 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 655 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: Are you hard on your sons? Are you strictening still? 656 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah? 657 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 2: Are you going to make them by their for car? 658 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? 659 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to buy them. 660 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 661 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 4: Kind of back to like, you know, if you ask, 662 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 4: like if my kids likes cars, I say, if they 663 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 4: if they like it, I want to support, But financially 664 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 4: I don't think I would. It's just the way, you know, 665 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 4: my parents didn't help me, so I don't think that's 666 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 4: the way to do. 667 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's how that's my style in a way. 668 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because seeing what happened to me growing up, 669 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 2: I almost would prefer my children to want to learn 670 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: the value of a dollar, to want to understand what 671 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 2: hard times are and to have to go through it 672 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: to ground themselves, because I'd be too scared of having 673 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 2: someone who is just expectant of things. 674 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one for sure. 675 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: Like I like, I wouldn't want to expect a first car, 676 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: to expect the new mom the Nintendo switches out and 677 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: I have to get it, but you already have one. 678 00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 3: You know. 679 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: It's like, well, if this is how much it would cost, 680 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: this is how you'd have to work, This is what 681 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 2: minimum wage is now, if you work to X amount 682 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: of hours, how long until you could afford? This is 683 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: this where you'd want your money to go? Or do 684 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: you think it's better to invest? But it's also hard 685 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 2: to do because I know they give you little puppy 686 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 2: eyes and they're like book please. 687 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: But who taught you that? Like fiscal responsibility, I. 688 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: Had to teach myself when my dad took his life. 689 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 2: I went to school the next day because I didn't 690 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 2: know what else to do. You know, no one tells 691 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: you those things. And I was actually sitting in a 692 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 2: finance class, but I just had this very vivid thought of, 693 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: oh God, like I don't have a parent to teach 694 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: me these things. I don't have someone that I can 695 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 2: go to who knows finances, Like I'm on my own 696 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 2: when it comes to money. And then shortly after that, 697 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 2: the principle came and pulled me out of class. I 698 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I just found out what 699 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 2: had happened. And I started calling therapists and to come 700 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 2: talk to me and all that. But that was a 701 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 2: very pivotal point, was sitting in that class and being 702 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: like I got to start learning because no one's going 703 00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: to teach me. 704 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: That's good. You learned that really young. 705 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thankful for that. 706 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was I was raised like to be 707 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: afraid of money, right, and as soon as like I 708 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to have some money, like I would 709 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: spend it all. Oh really yeah, because I was raised 710 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: in scarcity. You know, like my mother was so like 711 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: afraid of not having money because you know, she was 712 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: a war child from like the Korean War, so they 713 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: grew up super poor. Like her idea of having like 714 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: white rice was like a luxury, right, so you know 715 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: she made sure like we had nothing, and like everything 716 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: was about saving. But then saving for what, right, Like 717 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: it's not we're not going on family vacations or anything, 718 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: and it's you know, there's there's no purpose for that 719 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: money except for just to hoard it. Because because you're 720 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: living in scarcity. And then I remember in college they 721 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: were giving out like these five hundred dollars credit cards 722 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: to students just like this, and I spent that day, 723 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: really and it took seven years to fix my credit 724 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: because I didn't have the money to pay that back. 725 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: It was just five hundred dollars. I mean five hundred 726 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 1: dollars when you're in college is a lot of money, right, 727 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: And it ruined my credit and it took seven years 728 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: to fix that. And that's where you know, having a 729 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 1: responsible like partner like my wife, who was raised with money, 730 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: so she was not raised in scarcity, so she's not 731 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: afraid of money, but she knows how to use money 732 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: to make money, right, which that concept that never made 733 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: sense to me. 734 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 3: Right. 735 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: I think I'm the opposite where I'm actually very scared 736 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 2: to spend money because I'm scared of not having it. 737 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 2: But obviously for what I do, I also have to 738 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 2: buy cars to modify them. And it's so hard for 739 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,959 Speaker 2: me to check out on sumit or wherever I'm buying 740 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 2: my car parts or whenever I'm buying a car, because 741 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 2: it's it's just so difficult to spend it. 742 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: How about you die. Is it hard to spend money 743 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: on your cars? H? Yes and no. Yeah. I guess 744 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm more like your site in a way irresponsible. 745 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. And my wife is opposite. Yeah, she's like saving 746 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 4: and saving kind of thing. So yeah, maybe because of that, 747 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 4: I have a good balance. 748 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 2: So you spend until she tells you, hey, maybe you 749 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 2: should put your money down a little. 750 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. I wish somebody had taught me like how to 751 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: invest and how to spend money and what where to 752 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: spend money when I was younger, because it took a 753 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: long time. Like that credit thing, like people. 754 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 2: That's a scary thing to have. 755 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, people don't realize like how important credit in 756 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: America is. I mean you're trying to like buy a 757 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: house or trying to like go get a a new car. 758 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 2: Credit card scared me. I didn't get a credit card 759 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 2: until maybe five years ago. I debit or cash everything. 760 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 2: So then when I needed the money to buy like 761 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 2: a reliable priests to drive around, I couldn't get a 762 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 2: loan for four or five thousand dollars because I had 763 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 2: no credit. 764 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, credit, guys, is so important in this country, right, 765 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: So what are you doing now that you've retired? 766 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 4: So I still race cars and drifting demos. So for example, 767 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 4: I'm going to a Formula drift event and then do 768 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 4: ride along. And also I've been competing this series called 769 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 4: TC America, which is a road racing series, and I'm 770 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 4: doing the whole season. 771 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: So this is like an amateur like it's a professional 772 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: such per So you're still racing. Yeah, so that's what 773 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: You're not. 774 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 2: Retiring retired from Formula drift specifically. 775 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 1: I just retired from forma drift. That's it. I'm still 776 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: doing everything the same. I do pikes Peak. Okay, for 777 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: the listening viewers that don't know what pike Speak is, 778 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: can you share explain. 779 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 4: Pike Speak is the hill crime race held in Colorado 780 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 4: Springs once a year. It's one of the biggest hill 781 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 4: crime in the world. 782 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 1: Can you explain to me what the deal with pikes 783 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: Peak is, Like, why why is this so famous and 784 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: why is it part of like motor sport law and history. 785 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: Why is it such a big deal. Pike Speak is 786 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: one of the oldest race in the States, I think 787 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: a second oldest or something. So they just did the 788 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: one hundred times, so it's been over one hundred years 789 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: and they used the street. Basically it's a like I 790 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: said that toge the canyon road. They just closed that 791 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: from nine thousand feet to the summit. The Pikes Peak 792 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: is the name of the mountain and the summit is 793 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: like fourteen hundred feet, which is pretty high, fourteen. 794 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 4: To fourteen thousand. So yeah, because I think it's using 795 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 4: the street, not the race druck. And then one of 796 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 4: the oldest racing in the US. That's why I think 797 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 4: the Pike Speak is one of the famous race in 798 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 4: the world. 799 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 2: I think too when cars were carb rated and there's 800 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 2: so basically the elevation of air as you know people 801 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 2: listening no, just as a reminders of the higher you 802 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: get an elevation, the less oxygen there is. So it's 803 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 2: also a test to the engineering the mechanics of the 804 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 2: car too, because you can't just pull over and tune 805 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 2: it for different oxygen or airflow as you get higher. 806 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,959 Speaker 2: So I think that was a big part of the 807 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 2: difficulties of racing Pike's Peak. Am I right in saying that? 808 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. 809 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 4: So that's one of the biggest challenge for the race. 810 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 4: And also you have to deal with the weather and 811 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 4: from the start to the finish like a big difference 812 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 4: on the weathers and even like a temperatures and stuff 813 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 4: like that, and you don't know until the day off, 814 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 4: So there's a lot of like unknown boundaries compared to 815 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 4: like a racing on the truck, and very often people 816 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 4: die racing this. Back in the day, always hear about 817 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 4: somebody like yeah. 818 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 1: Going off, going off the class. 819 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 2: I've seen videos of it. 820 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 4: But now there's cars are a lot safer too, So 821 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 4: I think square less than back in the days, I. 822 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 2: Hope, assuming you have someone who did a good cage. 823 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, the page is very important. 824 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,479 Speaker 2: Right, cage seats harnessed, But now you're looking at that. 825 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 4: More exactly, so therese like a little detail. I start 826 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 4: more paying attention because that's like saving my life. 827 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: What makes a great driver die? 828 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 4: In your opinion, I think that who can perform your 829 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 4: best anytime you wanted to, Like you say, you kind 830 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 4: of have to be in the zone and you can 831 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 4: control that. That's very like internal thing I think, especially 832 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 4: like a drifting, you only have a one shot. If 833 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 4: you have a mistake in the one run, you're out. 834 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 4: You have to like put you one hundred percent to 835 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 4: the run. So put people who can provide that when 836 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 4: they need to, which is like a strong inside. I 837 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 4: think that makes you a great driver. 838 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, when young folks talk about, like, you know, like 839 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: how hard things are in life, it's supposed to be hard, 840 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 1: and just like you know, you know, in driving, it's 841 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: like if it was easy, all these weekend warriors on 842 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: the track would be doing what you're doing. Right, That's right, 843 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be hard. 844 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 2: I do you think a lot of hard work has 845 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 2: gone into where you are today, whether you talk directly 846 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 2: about it or not. I don't think you give yourself 847 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 2: enough credit. But I think a lot of people look 848 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 2: up to you because you're a phenomenal driver, not just 849 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,359 Speaker 2: with drifting but with also road racing. Thank you, And 850 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 2: that's not that doesn't you don't just wake up one 851 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 2: day with that skill. You know, you got to learn it. 852 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 2: You're self taught. You come from another country, and you've 853 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 2: really built this successful family and business and career that 854 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 2: you have. 855 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting with you, Die is that you know, 856 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: you're so resistant on talking about yourself, right, And the 857 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: reason we wanted you as a guest is because there's 858 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: this like patience with you. There's this like kind of 859 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, stoic, kind of zen to you, and it's 860 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,919 Speaker 1: you just do instead of talking, right, And I think 861 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: that's why, like, you know, so many people in the 862 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: community like respect you and look up to you. You know, 863 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: when you bring up Die, there's never like, you know, 864 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: a response of like I hate that fucking guy. Think 865 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: I was full of shit? No, there isn't people respect you. Yeah, 866 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think the more people and you know, 867 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,240 Speaker 1: younger folks that are around you that are aspiring to 868 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: like be like in the driving community or go into 869 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: professional driving, you know, it's just to be patient, right 870 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: and just you know, just keep doing instead of talking. 871 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, I guess I guess I don't have 872 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 4: a confidence and I'm still searching you know, who am 873 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 4: who I am? So maybe that's why I couldn't really 874 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 4: talk about myself. And I really think I have a 875 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 4: lot of what do you call it, right right moment, 876 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 4: right people, right timing kind of thing. Just appreciating all 877 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 4: the people around around, including you guys as well. 878 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, appreciate you, We appreciate you. 879 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: Awesome