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Speaker 1: a fair fight, but you know Rory loved playing well

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Speaker 1: in front of Tiger. Put another log on the fire.

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Speaker 1: Nobody hears. Give the time. Hello, This is Alan schipknuck

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Speaker 1: back for another Fire Drill podcast. I am joined by

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Speaker 1: my my wingman for life, Michael Bamberger, And here we

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Speaker 1: are in front of a fire. It's a little outside.

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Speaker 1: It's a word on brand, as they say, I think

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Speaker 1: we've got some flops wet going already. I think you're

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Speaker 1: fit sing. Yes, that's a question for you. When was

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Speaker 1: August or today? Oh it was way hotter in oh

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Speaker 1: seven to today was uncomfortably warm. That was like being

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Speaker 1: How is it different from the from August to May.

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Speaker 1: They definitely put some water on the course last night,

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Speaker 1: and you saw some some really good scores. Obviously Rory

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll continue to dial up that difficulty and that's

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Speaker 1: It's it's not that long and there's a little with

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Speaker 1: it helps? For sure? Um today, We'll see what tomorrow brings.

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Speaker 1: But um, and definitely the and it was not unlike

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Speaker 1: But when when Roy's played his best golf, Tiger hasn't

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Speaker 1: But the point is there was you know, there's these

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Speaker 1: certain ghosts right where you go back to these venues

427
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Speaker 1: and how much his body's changed, his life is changed,

428
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Speaker 1: and his golf game has changed. And you know, you

429
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Speaker 1: think about the old course where he'll go this summer,

430
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Speaker 1: like two thousand, that was an incredible performance. He wins

431
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Speaker 1: there again. When Tiger goes there in you know, two

432
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Speaker 1: thousand and ten, the scandals still sort of smoldering. He

433
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Speaker 1: goes there in two thousand and fifteen, his body's breaking down.

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Speaker 1: He takes that horrendous gouge off the t on number

435
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Speaker 1: one that people were looking at like was a like

436
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Speaker 1: was a burnt out car after an accident. And um,

437
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: and now there's certain there's certain markers when you go

438
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Speaker 1: back to these things. So it would be curious to

439
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Speaker 1: know his inner life as he walks these fairways and

440
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Speaker 1: how much things have changed for him. You know, uh,

441
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're right on the math because at the

442
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Speaker 1: at the Hall of Fame induction, she seemed to be

443
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Speaker 1: about fourtune turning fifteen, so that that would I would

444
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Speaker 1: check out without even getting on the internet. She was

445
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Speaker 1: a spectacular at the at the Hall of Fame induction.

446
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and now it's she's a bright young woman. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 1: great presence. I mean it's and I must be neat

448
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Speaker 1: for I'm starting your up. Go ahead, No, No, you

449
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: could continue as well. I was just gonna say it

450
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Speaker 1: must be neat for Tiger any Lynn. Uh. And we

451
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Speaker 1: don't know the kids, and we're not pretending that we do,

452
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Speaker 1: but uh, but they are public kids, and it's not

453
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Speaker 1: easy to be the child of Tiger Woods and uh,

454
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Speaker 1: you know, to the green they make public appearances. I mean,

455
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: they're still just kids. But when they do make public appearances,

456
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Speaker 1: like like at the Rose Garden ceremony, in the father

457
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Speaker 1: son event, just um to see poised, intelligent, respectful uh kids. Uh.

458
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Speaker 1: And and Sam especially because she's really been sort of

459
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Speaker 1: under wraps to Ali, he's been out a little bit

460
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Speaker 1: because he's so like Tiger and so interested in sports

461
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Speaker 1: and other things. She seems like a shy girl. But um,

462
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just a little window into completely different

463
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Speaker 1: side of Tiger's life. Just it just comes brings to mind.

464
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Speaker 1: You know. Once I was interviewing Mark Steinberg by phone,

465
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Speaker 1: and I could tell that he was at a as

466
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Speaker 1: he was one of these interminable summer country club swim

467
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Speaker 1: meets and I've been there and they go on forever.

468
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Speaker 1: And he said you're at a swimming arch, he said, yeah,

469
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Speaker 1: like they will never end. But you know what, it's

470
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Speaker 1: also like the greatest moments of your life too, you're

471
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Speaker 1: watching your kids grow up. Yeah, yeah, no, it's true.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think Sam is part of and

473
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Speaker 1: I think especially Charlie is what keeps Tiger going because

474
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Speaker 1: that idea that, I mean, how many years are we

475
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: away from from Charlie getting his first sponsors exemption on

476
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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour three four or five tops? I don't know.

477
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Speaker 1: He's got to get a lot better. He's gotta get

478
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Speaker 1: bigger and stronger. But I mean, like Lebron James has said,

479
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Speaker 1: you know, whoever drafts his son Brawnie, he's gonna go

480
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Speaker 1: play for them. And there's there's funny. He's dead serious.

481
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Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna try and last another three or

482
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Speaker 1: four years to get there. And I could see that

483
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Speaker 1: factoring into Tigers like thinking and what was Jordan's comfort

484
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Speaker 1: level like today? From what you could see, he just

485
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: he was just doing his rehearsals and it just looked

486
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Speaker 1: like he was in his head, you know, and he

487
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Speaker 1: a couple of times he was in the fairway and

488
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Speaker 1: he flushed his shot like twenty yards over the green,

489
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Speaker 1: like you don't see, you don't see prose missed that much,

490
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Speaker 1: and especially in relatively benign conditions if the wind's blowing,

491
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: you do or do not get a gust maybe, But

492
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Speaker 1: and he looked totally befuddled. So I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going on with Jordan. I mean, he's playing with two

494
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Speaker 1: superstars like that, Uh Tiger Rory. Do you think he

495
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Speaker 1: can do his whole Growler Groller excuse me, Growler was

496
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Speaker 1: a caddy from yester year. Do you think you do

497
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Speaker 1: his whole Michael Griller thing to the same level? Do

498
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Speaker 1: you think he do you think he feels a little

499
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Speaker 1: self conscious, because I would be a little self conscious. Yeah,

500
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Speaker 1: for I mean, you don't want any side I from

501
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Speaker 1: from Tiger hit the ball, dude, it's not that complicated,

502
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Speaker 1: I know, it's I don't know. I mean, I mean

503
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Speaker 1: we haven't even really. I mean, here's Jordans trying trying

504
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Speaker 1: to win, you know, the last piece of the Grand Slam,

505
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Speaker 1: like he's uh the p g A. But this and

506
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Speaker 1: this one particularly, this just seem like a good fit

507
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Speaker 1: for him. I know. Yeah, the texts and pitched like

508
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Speaker 1: a madman. Uh, he's not. He didn't blow himself out

509
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Speaker 1: of it. I mean, if they let this course get

510
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Speaker 1: firmer and faster and scarier, I mean, five under could

511
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Speaker 1: win this thing. He's now he's gotta play perfect golf

512
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Speaker 1: from here on. But he's you know, he's plus two.

513
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Speaker 1: He's not totally out of it. But it was disappointed

514
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Speaker 1: considering how well he played last week and you know,

515
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Speaker 1: him winning X number of weeks ago, like it seemed

516
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Speaker 1: like he was really ascended. So it's a setback. But yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: it's tough. I mean, Jordan and Rory, you know, they've

518
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Speaker 1: always had a little dance, even though Rory's older by

519
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Speaker 1: a few years, but they you know, they're they're probably

520
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Speaker 1: I guess kept because he came up so fast and

521
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Speaker 1: kind of change that. But for a while looked like

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Speaker 1: Jordan Roy were going to own the sport for a

523
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Speaker 1: good long time. And um, between the two of them,

524
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Speaker 1: who do you think has a better chance of winning

525
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Speaker 1: the career Grand Slam? And there is a correct answer

526
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Speaker 1: to this question, Jordan, because it's easier to win a

527
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Speaker 1: PJ than the Masters, is I would think, so, yeah,

528
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Speaker 1: you know, the small fields of the Masters would tell

529
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Speaker 1: you otherwise. But in this particular case, for Rory twin

530
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Speaker 1: Masters versus Jordan to win a pH championship, I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be tough, very very tough for either

532
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Speaker 1: of them to do it. But of the two, I

533
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Speaker 1: would say Jordan's probably. Yeah. It's interesting though, because different

534
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Speaker 1: PG venues are they can They're so wildly different from

535
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Speaker 1: year to year, So it's a different challenge for Jordan's

536
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Speaker 1: whereas Rory knows what he has to do. It's just

537
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Speaker 1: the mandate is clear um at Augusta. But also there's

538
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Speaker 1: all those ghosts that now live within him from all

539
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Speaker 1: the squandered chances and all the setbacks. So that's a

540
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Speaker 1: good question. Actually, do you think, uh, do you think

541
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Speaker 1: that that's standing cliche about Rory is that you know

542
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Speaker 1: he's gonna win when the course is long and wet.

543
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Speaker 1: Do you think that is really a true thing? Because

544
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Speaker 1: if if so, then that it wouldn't bode very well

545
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Speaker 1: for for this week and it's gonna get cool or

546
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Speaker 1: on the weekend. But it's good, of course, is gonna

547
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: get fast. It's not gonna get long and wet, that's

548
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, I mean I think those are advantageous conditions,

549
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: no question for Rory. But like he hit a couple

550
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Speaker 1: of sawed off wedges today that were beautiful, Like it

551
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: was really you know, the power off the tea and

552
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: then the finesse with the short irons was was That's

553
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: such a deadly combination. That's what Dustin did during that

554
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: great like five year run which appears to have. Yeah,

555
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: but you know Roy's always kind of struggled with with

556
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: that and putting too much spit on the ball and

557
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: hoisting it too high and just these a little controlled

558
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: half swing wedges. If he gets that dialed in and

559
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: he's feeling that touch and then um, you know, I

560
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: think he can win anywhere, any time. And so uh

561
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: there's such a psychological hurdle. You know, his his scoring

562
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: average on Thursdays the Major so abysmal, and he just

563
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: shattered that. So now the question is can he keep going,

564
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Speaker 1: Can he maintain that aggressiveness and keep the pedal down

565
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Speaker 1: or do you getting that that mode of trying to

566
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Speaker 1: protect And he talked about that after his round. He said,

567
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Speaker 1: when you off to such a hot start, it just

568
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Speaker 1: it is tempting to kind of change a game plan

569
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Speaker 1: and just try and hold on. But he said, I

570
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: was proud of myself because I stuck to the game plan.

571
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: I kept hitting driver, I kept cutting dog legs, And

572
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Speaker 1: so he was a little mental test that he passed.

573
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Speaker 1: And I think that's sad. That really is big. You

574
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Speaker 1: catch any of Shuffler today, Uh No, I didn't get

575
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Speaker 1: to see him live. I saw him on TV a

576
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: little bit, I mean, missing like a two and a

577
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Speaker 1: half foot put that they showed. But um, he's the

578
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: law of averages suggests he just can't keep winning these things,

579
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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's he is going to be. You know,

580
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: he's going to going to go on a monster run.

581
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: But um, he's super impressive and he's not out of it.

582
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Speaker 1: But um, you know he didn't. He didn't play his

583
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Speaker 1: best today. He does seem like someone who could sneakily,

584
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Speaker 1: sneakly get in there and my Sunday an afternoon be there,

585
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: you know for this N nine, this nine wonder for

586
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: this sign nixt thing you know right there? Yeah, he

587
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: what I like, I mean, ever, seems to panic, which

588
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: is an underrated thing in major championships. Like that's what's

589
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: affected Roy, Like there was an element of panic on

590
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: those Thursdays he make a few bogies, and then you'd

591
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Speaker 1: like try and start stuffing shots to get him back,

592
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: and then he'd make more bogies and then we would

593
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Speaker 1: just slip away. But Scheffler just seems so at ease.

594
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: It's really impressed. Secret to his success would seemingly have

595
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: been the secret to lose house Tuivesen's success, which is

596
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: doesn't really care that much, I know, even though he

597
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: cried like a baby Sunday morning. And I guess we

598
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: all heard the charming story. Cute story more than cute. Really, actually,

599
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Speaker 1: I don't mean it to me in any way. It's

600
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: a meaning story, meaningful story. But let me word another way.

601
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Speaker 1: Golf is not the highest thing. This party list just isn't.

602
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: And that's a great way to go into major championship golf, unless,

603
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: as Jeff Ogilvy and others have told us, uh, those

604
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: external factors are getting so deep in your head that

605
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Speaker 1: even though you don't want golf important, it becomes that important,

606
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Speaker 1: and that it's hard to do if you've been playing

607
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: the kind of golf he's from plane, I know, but

608
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: it's Marco might be finding the same thing. Yeah, that's true.

609
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: I know, it's that's gotta be the biggest challenge for

610
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Speaker 1: all these guys. It's just golf. And yes, the crowds

611
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: are triple, and the energy is huge, and the press tense, gigantic,

612
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Speaker 1: and is this ridiculously big trophy sitting there on the

613
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Speaker 1: first tea And ultimately none of that matters. You just

614
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: have to hit golf shots. And but to get in

615
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: that that frame of mind, like you know, it's hard.

616
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Speaker 1: Everyone says it's hard, So uh yeah, I think it's

617
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Speaker 1: better to care a little too uh, not as much

618
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: as trying first is trying too hard, because seems like

619
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Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are trying too hard. And

620
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Speaker 1: Scheffer's like, yeah, whatever, you know, what's the uh the

621
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Speaker 1: the carring year thing been like for you for this week?

622
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: In other words, um and Ogilvy was talking about this

623
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Speaker 1: the other day. There's so much preamble before the major

624
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, and we are this

625
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Speaker 1: year this week. In our careers, we haven't been, but

626
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: but this week we have. Um, what's it like for

627
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: you to be here? You got here early and now

628
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: finally you're here and they're playing some live golf and

629
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Speaker 1: you're seeing some live golf and it matters hallelujah. Like, yeah,

630
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: I've never enjoyed the Monday, Tuesday Wednesdays because you have

631
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: to manufacture stories and it's like, eventually there will be

632
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: a story. Let it come to you. So it's great

633
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: and you couldn't ask for anything more. I mean, you

634
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Speaker 1: had this supergroup. Rarely do you do you send out

635
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: that kind of group and one of them turns out

636
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Speaker 1: to be the leader. Like that's just very fortuitous. And

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Speaker 1: so that was that was too easy as a Thursday story.

638
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Speaker 1: But um alright, we we gotta we we didn't even

639
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Speaker 1: we didn't even tip our cap to this at the

640
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Speaker 1: top of the show. But speaking of stories, like, let's

641
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Speaker 1: just let's just talk about what you dropped on fire

642
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Speaker 1: Pick collective dot com today, um as as most of

643
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Speaker 1: you should know by now, but maybe don't, Michael, is

644
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Speaker 1: a reason who you're looking at. I was looking at

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Speaker 1: the camera. That was interesting. Okay, there's a camera here

646
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Speaker 1: that's weird. Don't that weird you out? And most people

647
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Speaker 1: are just gonna listen to this, Michael, But most most

648
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Speaker 1: folks who are going on this journey with us know

649
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Speaker 1: that that your recent addition to the collective, which you know,

650
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Speaker 1: I was like signing Babe Ruth in his prime. But

651
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Speaker 1: UM dropped the story your first big one whatever week ago.

652
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: That got into all the Trump and Saudi and Phil

653
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Speaker 1: and Jack and Gregg and a lot of star power.

654
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Speaker 1: In that story. You want to hear a shocker. That

655
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Speaker 1: was Monday, That was this week. That's what I thought

656
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Speaker 1: I would seem like forever ago. I was like, oh

657
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Speaker 1: my god, it was money. It was just four days ago,

658
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Speaker 1: three and a half days ago. And so now yesterday

659
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Speaker 1: you're driving, You're on your way to Tulsa and your

660
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Speaker 1: phone rings, and what happened? The phone rings and it

661
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: says no caller ID. I've been trying to reach Trump,

662
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: uh for the story that ran on Monday. The story

663
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Speaker 1: that ran on Monday is about how how the PA

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Speaker 1: Championship was supposed to be held of Trump Beadminster, selected

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Speaker 1: by the PHA of American two thousand and fourteen to

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Speaker 1: go there, and then after the January six riots, the

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Speaker 1: p j CEO South Walk conjunction with the board moved

668
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: it and they didn't know where they're going to move,

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Speaker 1: and they finally decided to move it here. So for

670
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Speaker 1: that story, I've been trying to reach UH President Trump

671
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: and UH. And I heard from his people that he

672
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: might call you, but you know, he's got other things

673
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: going on, especially with the primaries going on. I didn't

674
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: hear from him. I wasn't really expect him to. UH.

675
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Speaker 1: And then I do pick up the phone when it

676
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Speaker 1: says no caller, I d because sometimes your friends or

677
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: your family members will put it on that notch. I

678
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: would of course have no idea how to do it myself,

679
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: but I I just literally had had had had filled

680
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Speaker 1: up of the car at a Philip sixty six on

681
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: Root sixty six and uh, and the phone rang. And

682
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Speaker 1: I think the man's first words were, but I'm not

683
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: sure about this good it's your friend Donald Trump. And Uh.

684
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: I think that's what he said. And he's being funny.

685
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: But Trump and I have spent a lot of time together.

686
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: We've played a lot of golf together, and and I

687
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: have spent hours and hours interviewing him long before he

688
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: uh sought the nomination for the presidency. Uh. But he

689
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: is a very enjoyable person. This part of what I'm

690
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: saying here is not political in any way, and I

691
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: really mean it. I'm just separating Donald Trump. It's golf

692
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: life from the rest of his life. He's knowledgeable golf,

693
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: he loves golf, He owns a bunch of golf courses,

694
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: he knows a bunch of golfers. And if you're not

695
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: going to enjoy talking golf with Donald Trump, there's actually

696
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: something wrong with you. Unless you're so clouded by everything

697
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: else you can't let that happen. And believe me, I

698
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: do understand that. But you know, our responsibility is just

699
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: to get the news. And uh, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: anything here about my own person politics, but away, So

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Speaker 1: I did talk to uh, Donald Trump for about forty

702
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: five minutes, and it was exactly what he was like,

703
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: you know in two thousand, two thousand five, two two

704
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Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, when I talked to him quite regularly, which

705
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: is to say, he's a very easy person to have

706
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: a golf conversation with. And if we know, at one

707
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: point he was talking about Tom Watson and the suggestions

708
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: that Watson what was making to the Turnbury course, or

709
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Speaker 1: Trump would say, you know, but fabulous Trump Turnber of course,

710
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, because he's always got to be so referential

711
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: and in personal but anyway, but at one point he said, uh, uh,

712
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: I he said you know what a great links player

713
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: is And I said, and I was looking for her name,

714
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: and the name that came out of my mouth was

715
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: Bob Charles, you know, the great New Zealand golfer wonder

716
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: British Open, three Senior Open championships. And Trump said, uh,

717
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: pub Rolls And I said, oh no, no, excuse me,

718
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: I mean Peter Thompson. But in other words, who's going

719
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: to catch something like that? You know? So he's like, yeah,

720
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: he's knowledge able. My friend, our friend, Jimie Diaz makes

721
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: this point from time to time. It's so hilarious and

722
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: it's so insightful, and it comes from Trump, but Heimie

723
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: is the one who picked up on him. Trump says,

724
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: a difference between match play and stroke play is the

725
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: difference between the electoral college and the popular vote. And

726
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: if you get that, and Trump obviously gets that, it

727
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: shows you actually really understood understand something about match play

728
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: versus stroke play. Electoral college versus the popular vote was

729
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: the most insightful thing he said about the in two

730
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Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen election by far, because I heard him

731
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: say that and it was like, it makes perfect sense,

732
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: it's amazing. So and Trump was great when that kid

733
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Speaker 1: came to mow the White House along if you remember that,

734
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: he was great. He likes grass, he likes he said

735
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: some years ago, So Michael, for yours, I never understood gardening.

736
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Speaker 1: People took me about gardon, what's gardening, but then sorted

737
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Speaker 1: by golf, Trump golf courses, and then Trump started to

738
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: understand gardening, the appeal of gardening. Yeah. Well but his

739
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: thing now just that I'm started. But just just because people,

740
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: you may not want to read another what four thousand

741
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: words in Donald Trump? So here it is a nutshell.

742
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: He's down in the PGA, down in the PGA of

743
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: America for moving his tournament. He's down in the U

744
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: SJ because they haven't gone to the US Open. He's

745
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: down on the R and A because they haven't shown

746
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: any signs of having a British Open. Trump Turnberry or

747
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: or as we like to call it, Turnberry. Uh, but

748
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: he's up on Alan. Can you fill in the blank? Uh?

749
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Speaker 1: Live golf, Live golf, dinks, live golf. They've got eight

750
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: events this year, as many of our listeners will know,

751
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: two of them. Two of those tournaments are going to

752
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: be at at Trump courses. Is it's amazing. I mean

753
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: strange bedfellows and uh and he but there's a piece

754
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: of news room meeting like that that he told you

755
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: he's not gonna watch this PG Championship because you know

756
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: this should have been in his course, and he's actually

757
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: boycotting the p G A maybe what were that with

758
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: one slight change he says he's not watching it. The

759
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: chances of Trump not watching this tournament or zero in

760
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: my opinion. Yeah, he played the other day with Scottie

761
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: Shuffler and he says, I understand show very well. You know,

762
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: they told me he'll watch. Yeah. I mean in those

763
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Speaker 1: moments when you're you're talking about golf, like, do you

764
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: forget that he was an exceptionally polarizing president and does

765
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: it just take you back too when you could just

766
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: talk golf innocently with him? Yes, yes, I I did

767
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: find myself doing that. I found myself very much enjoying

768
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: talking golf with Donald Trump. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well, and

769
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: like you said, like, there's there's an important news in

770
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Speaker 1: this story. You know, his embrace of the Sudies is

771
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: a big thing, and it's helped legitimize the whole, uh,

772
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Speaker 1: the whole circuit. And I'm I'm sure that that's a

773
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: bit of propaganda they love to use back there, like, hey,

774
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Speaker 1: it's working. We're on these Trump courses and there there's

775
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: a box office there and um, so you know that's

776
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: a really interesting view because of course, what he's also

777
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: doing by endorsing live golf, he's dissing the PGA Tour.

778
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: He used to have a Pug Tour event, of course,

779
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: at at Trump Dray and he doesn't now. And no

780
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: matter what you want to say about the man, he

781
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: does represent a very solisible portion of the average show

782
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: golf fan who watches golf on TV. And um, that

783
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: group be sweede. Uh you know, Jay monahans trying to

784
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: sway him, and uh understandably so, but put Trump will too.

785
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: You know, I had a housekeeper at Trump National, and uh,

786
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: he calls the Trump I think he calls the Trump

787
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: National Philadelphia, but it's actually it's down the road from

788
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: from Pine Valley. But I was interviewing a housekeeper who

789
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: worked there, or she maybe she worked in the kitchen.

790
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: And forgive me for not remembering right now, but you

791
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: know she said in Spanish, no, he's crazy like a fox,

792
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: and uh, it's about right. He knows what he's doing,

793
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: and he's signing up with Live Golf here. Uh, and

794
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: you know one of the things he said in the

795
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: stories is just you know, the super rich, you know,

796
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: don't want to lose a hundred million year after hear

797
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: the Saudias don't care. They don't care. There in for

798
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: the long haul here, Yeah, they're playing the long game.

799
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean, this is wild. Are our golf loving Republicans

800
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: gonna become pro Russia and pro Saudi Arabia? Like can

801
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: you imagine like they did Supply fifteen with the nine

802
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: eleven hijackers or like, but you know, you hear certain

803
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: politicians talk about the the pro Putin wing of the

804
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: Republican Party like because of Trump are folks and become

805
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: pro Saudi Arabia. It's a wild turn of events. Yeah,

806
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: it really is. It's it's depressing when you're work it

807
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: that way that you know, NI golf should be falling

808
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: down this rabbit hole. It's actually it's depressing. Yeah, it's

809
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: it's just another wild twist and turn in this whole story.

810
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: And there is a Phil Nicholson villa at Trump Darral

811
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Speaker 1: and now they're both bedfellows with the saudiast I mean,

812
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: could Trump is very effectively turned as a relationship with

813
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas around uh Trump years ago, Trump told me

814
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: the story Trump's first golf course. I believe this is correct.

815
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Speaker 1: If it's not his first, it was one of his first.

816
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: But I think his first golf course is the Trump

817
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: West Pond Beach Course. And at the time that he

818
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: built it, uh a long time ago now I'm probably

819
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Speaker 1: getting on thirty years. I would think uh, Um, Nicholas

820
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: owned a construction and golf course construction company. I believe

821
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Speaker 1: it was called Octagon. I'm not sorting to have that

822
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: correct either, but anyway, he did definitely owned a company,

823
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: and uh and Trump put up bids for the job.

824
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: Nicholas got the job, and then I can remember to

825
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: this day Trump making Trump making this motion with his hand.

826
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Speaker 1: He said, Nicholas came in with these little Tonku trucks,

827
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Speaker 1: you know, mocking the fact that Trump had that Nicholas

828
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: had not bid the project properly and wasn't really ready

829
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: in Trump's to do the project. Anyway, it didn't go well.

830
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: There was there were problems all the way around. Eventually

831
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: they got worked out, but in that period, I know,

832
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: it's really from Trump's perspective, he was very dismissive of Nicholas. Uh.

833
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: In the years since then they become very close friends.

834
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Speaker 1: Uh and uh Trump has hired Nicholas to build uh,

835
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: definitely the Ferris Point Corps soon. I think he's probably

836
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: done other work for for Trump, although I can't think

837
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: of what that would be immediately. And Uh and Nicholas's

838
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: uh just being with Trump on numerous occasions, and uh

839
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: of course endorsed him and endorsed him. It was a

840
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: polarizing moment for Jack Nicholas. You know, nobody made him

841
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: do that, like he he just he just decided to

842
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: do it. And I mean Mike Pence's staff wrote the statement, right,

843
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: and it's uh, it's um. I will say this to Nicholas,

844
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: he has the courage of his convictions. Uh, you know

845
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: he he seems to be a real believer. I mean

846
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say seems, I say he is. He is. Yeah,

847
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: And of course all roads lead through Saudi Arabia, so

848
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: Nicholas has gotten mixed up in this. They offered him

849
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: the job that Greg Norman now has and that was

850
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: another bit of news in your first story, and that

851
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: that that that Jack turned it down. And um, although

852
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: even that in dispute because this this lawsuit has been

853
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: filed by our old friend Howard Milstein against against Jack Nicholas,

854
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: and part of that contention is that they sort of

855
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: made him turn it down to protect the brand and

856
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: his image. And it's like, this story has so many layers.

857
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, yeah, you know, and it's it's these stories

858
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: are all rooted in one thing, which I mean, it's

859
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: easier for us to say as middle class writers, but

860
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: there really are rooted in greed. You know, everybody wants

861
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: more and more and more. Whatever they have, it's not enough.

862
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: And uh, those stories never end. Well. I agree with that.

863
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: I had this radio guy say to me, hey, if

864
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: someone offered me a hundred million dollars, I would take

865
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: the matter. What I said, well, sure, you know, you're

866
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: just a humble radio guy, like I'm a humble reporter,

867
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: and a hundred million dollars IS's fantastical money. But if

868
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: you've if you're Jack Nicholas and you're an icon and

869
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: you've been you've been making huge money for sixty years,

870
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: it should have less allure. I mean, if you've done

871
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: if you've done it, right, and you're eight two years old.

872
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: You should be worried about money at this point. So

873
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: the chance of that a hundred million dollars improving Jack

874
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: Nicholas's life or his children's life, I would say his zero,

875
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: no chance. Yeah, exactly make a life worse. Yeah, because

876
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: of all the blowback, like who needs it? You know? Amazing? Well,

877
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: what cheerful thing can we conclude on here, Alan? Or

878
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: is that not our obligation? It's our obligation. It would

879
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: be nice. I mean, well, how about the unusual genery

880
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: had tonight? Unusual in what regard? Well, I never know

881
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: what nationality was being music, it's this is a regular thing.

882
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: A man of your sophistication has never had a bond

883
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 1: me sandwich, I have possibly having a call from Riley

884
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: in the middle of dinner. Yeah, yeah, that was our

885
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: friend Rick Riley just calling to like check in and

886
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: say out of boys like that was that was cute. Well, okay,

887
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: let's just let's end it like this. What what is

888
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: our dream winner at this point? Now we've we've got

889
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: some data. There's there's some long shots on the leaderboard.

890
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: There's a Matt Coucher. Justin Thomas made a nice run

891
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: you've got. It's so obvious. It's Roy Smullinari. I respect

892
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: your dedication to the bit. You've you've been in a

893
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: Maulinari stand for for years. The ultimate dedication to the

894
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: bit was definitely John Garrity, Robert Carlson, Robert. If any

895
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: listeners that we're talking about, then you you get a

896
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: goal prize. Yet we'll take the Vietnamese restaurant of your

897
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: choice wherever it may be, because no one will know,

898
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: no one will get the rest. There's some sickos out there. Michael,

899
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: and we love you. Thank you for listening. Uh. I

900
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: think we're gonna conclude this Fire Drill podcast. As always

901
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: we have to think part points golf our favorite golf

902
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: app which, as you know, God and the guys are great.

903
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: Met the guys last night. Yeah, the guy and the

904
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: other guy, Kevin Quinley and Brandon. One of them was

905
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: very good, or maybe both are. They're both good. Kevin Scratch.

906
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: They took me to Prairie Dunes, which is wow. Was

907
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: that where you you played Prairie Yeah, thirty six in

908
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: a day. It was yea and it was cold. Those

909
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: guys get on Prairie Dunes. Their members are you kidding me?

910
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: I think they were great. They're wonderful human beings and

911
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: we love the par points app you've heard us talk about.

912
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: It's a cool new way to think about golf. Now

913
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: they live there, Why do you? How did they just

914
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: nice Kansas boys who have done well fare Wow? I know,

915
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: but they get around there with the US Open. I

916
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: never played. I heard you rave about it the other day.

917
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: It will blow your It's like Royal Dornick. It just

918
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: set down in the plains. It is absolutely spectacular. I mean, well,

919
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: Perry Maxwell, right, Yeah, we'll do a little Perry Maxwell

920
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: swing not we can come back and play this place,

921
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: which obviously looks like a hell of a lot of

922
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: fun old do p D. Maybe we'll go to sand

923
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: Hills would be nice. Never been there? Have you played

924
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: the never been? Have you played the Crystal Downs? Course,

925
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: of course I have, Michael, How good is it? Crystal

926
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: Town is unbelievable Crystal Downy Maxwell had a hand in

927
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: that too, So I did not know that. But that's terrific. Yeah,

928
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: it's like I think it's a little Alsair kind of

929
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: drew it up, but I believe Perry oversaw the construction,

930
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: so do you still have that lovely phrase on your

931
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: your Twitter page. Halfway between You Tampa. That is one

932
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: of the best sentences ever. I think that was the

933
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: last round of golf. I play as a pasta. It's

934
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: so good, it's so pure. And you know they're gonna

935
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: actually redo the greens and and take them back to

936
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: how they were, because the greens are wonderful, but there's

937
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: a few that there's almost no place you can put

938
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: a pin. They've they've gotten so extreme over time. And

939
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's a scrappy upstart media company called the

940
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: Firepit Collective that's gonna chronicle this whole evolution of these greens,

941
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: like we're gonna be there, very very cool. Super who's

942
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: gonna write that up? Probably me? I mean I live

943
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: in five minutes away. How do you feel about the

944
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: use of the word pinnable pinnable? It's kind of golf snobby,

945
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: which makes me like it. You know, I'm not a

946
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: golf snob, but I want to pretend to be. I

947
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: can tell you have some disdain. I think it's bad.

948
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Mr Hogan? Oh bar, what

949
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: did Mr hogans? You're here in fifty eight anyhow? Not

950
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: check that out. I don't know, I don't know. We'll

951
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: see what Ben Hogan shot. Yeah, do you know who

952
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: finished second here in fifty eight? I believe in his

953
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: first US Open, Gary player. That's impressive. Who could a

954
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Gary player? Probably was very tall, and then tells the

955
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: hot mom, those were the hot Yeah. The whole Mr. Thing.

956
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: It's like he's dead. Yeah, he doesn't care what you

957
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: call him. And even like would would would Mr Palmer

958
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: wanted to be called Mr Palmer the way he was Arnie.

959
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: And when Curtis won the second time, he said, move

960
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: over Ben, And that was what made the coke cool

961
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: cool when Curtis won, Uh, what do you do? One

962
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: eight and at the country club? And eight nine? That

963
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: kills a good golf course. I know this is a

964
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: good golf course. There's some damn good golf courses in

965
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: this country. Play them all. You gotta try harder. You

966
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: haven't haven't played p D. I mean, I thought we

967
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: were ending this podcast. Save some material. It's only Thursday.

968
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: Pace yourself. We gotta run through the tape, all right, Well,

969
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: thanks for indulging. Michael and I were a little punch

970
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: drunk in case you couldn't tell, and um, it's late here,

971
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: but as always, it was a pleasure. We'll do this again,

972
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: I think tomorrow on Friday, for on the second round.

973
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: We're gonna try and get Jeff Oogill be back, which

974
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: was always a razure. Alan, you have a stray sock

975
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: that I have placed at the top of the dryer. Okay,

976
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: I was looking for that sock. Yeah, it's there. This

977
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: is the intimacy we bring to major championship. We we're

978
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: doing laundry together, I mean together dining, that's the real thing.

979
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna be so tired of each other by Sunday,

980
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 1: but hopefully you the listener will not be so thank

981
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: you for listening. I don't think it really happens, because

982
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: at this point in our friendship, like we'll just go

983
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: off and do our own thing. Yeah, and there's no whatever. No,

984
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I mean, actually we haven't

985
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: well we didn't. Did we do a little cheers at dinner?

986
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: We did? We did we click our paper cups? I

987
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: think I think I feel like we did. This is

988
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: kind of a big deal, Like it was weird to

989
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: be separated for a year, and it was actually it

990
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: was on the same masthead and uh one of meals

991
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: and episode type together. Do you know what's amazing is

992
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: all these incredible meals we've had. No, we didn't pay

993
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: for them ourselves. It was a company money. And boggles

994
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: the money there is. The politicians in Philadelphia say, well,

995
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: a jail now, so al right, what a life? Alright, alright,

996
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: so the people can go right, yeah, all right, thank

997
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: you for listening. This is the end of this fire drill,

998
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: and we'll do it again tomorrow. Good night, put another

999
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: log on the fire. Nobody here is get the time.