WEBVTT - Introducing Killer Thriller 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.600 Hey there, everybody, Welcome to Amy and TJ Presents. But 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:19.759 now we have something after the presents TJ Killer. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.440 Thriller, Killer Thriller. That sounds Is it too dramatic? 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.560 I wondered if no, No, you don't think that Tyler's dramatic. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:27.200 You think so. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.720 Yes, that's what we're talking about, Killer Thriller. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.920 And yes we have an aunt which is exciting because 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.480 it's not just Amy and TJ Presents Killer Thriller. It's 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:43.760 Amy and TJ Presents Killer Thriller with Alisa Donovan. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.200 Oh yes, and a lot of people know that name 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:48.519 and I don't know that history. But a lot of 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.000 people haven't done what we have now been able to do, 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.080 which is be stuck in LA traffic. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.240 Which is what we just did all the way here. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.840 Yes, was that not the best way to get to 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:00.520 know each other. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.480 It was not that we wanted to have to do 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.440 it again, but like it kind of was. 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.880 We made the most of La traffic, one of the 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.600 things that La is known for, but we turned it 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:11.440 into lemonade. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.959 It's like we had fifteen different conversations and looked out 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:15.440 the window. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.240 We were in the same place. 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.160 We really go anywhere out of the car. Anyone who 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.399 lives in La probably has experienced this as well. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:24.160 Even in New York. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.680 We've done this too, Get out of the cab because 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.880 you aren't going anywhere, and we walked it, and we 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.280 are so excited because we're talking about a new true 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:40.080 crime podcast and you are obviously a well we're of 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.120 a certain age. So the nineties you were everywhere. For 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.920 those who need an introduction to Alisa Donovan. If you 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:52.400 loved the movie Clueless, who didn't, you might remember her 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:57.440 as Amber from Clueless. And also we were this was 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.120 so funny Beverly Hills nine o two one zero. I 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.680 was a huge fan and you played I love you 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:05.920 played like the bad. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.400 Ginger Leah Monica, who sounds that it's like that, what 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.000 is it when a word sounds like what it is? 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.600 Yes, that's close to that character. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:15.320 How close? 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.040 When I did Tory and Jenny's podcast over there rewatching 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.280 it and so they send me the episodes that I 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:26.360 was like a little I'm a little embarrassed by my behavior. 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:31.679 Like again, she really has like she had some balls attitude. No, 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.440 I wish I had her confidence. I wish I had 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:39.120 her confidence. I mean maybe on the inside in the car. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.480 Ride here, you seem to have that confidence I did. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.200 Isn't that we got to? 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.360 That is an interesting way in all Seriously, this is 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.240 a true story, folks. The way we have just gotten 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:54.840 to know is stuck in LA traffic and we literally 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.160 got out and walked down the street with her. This 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.480 is our introduction how we got to It's. 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.480 Kind of amazing, right, Like it's never gonna not be great, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.720 just know igue we couldn't remain. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.600 Up all right, So A Lisa, tell us your fascination 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.240 what your connection is to true crime? 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.959 I I mean, I think I am not alone here. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:21.240 I have a like a borderline disturbing obsession with it, 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.640 and I'm not quite sure, you know, I've tried to 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.240 figure out what this is, and then I realized, well, 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.400 it's not just me. So I think we have such 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:37.640 a desire to understand human behavior, and like we human 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:42.120 beings are are like just we can't explain so much 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.280 about how we behave and I think we find it 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.520 absolutely impossible to believe sometimes that someone could commit some 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:55.200 of these truly heinous crimes. And then when you kind 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.119 of put all the pieces together and you walk down 0:03:58.120 --> 0:03:58.920 the path. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.480 You say Oh, oh wow. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.320 I guess I can sort of imagine. That's how I 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.240 look at it, like, oh, I want to understand how 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.000 someone could get to this place, you know, and so 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.960 often these things like certainly mental illness is one thing, 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.239 but sometimes these things are based in other issues, you know, where. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.599 It's really about loss or passion or. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.200 True like really needing to survive. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:28.360 You know. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.520 There are so many different things that we come across 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:38.240 that cause people to do these things, and so I 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.200 am truly obsessed and I feel like there is you know, 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.159 as an actor, I've never played a real person before 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.599 who has existed in history, and I think you know, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.280 any kind of prep you're doing as an actor, you're 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.240 always trying to understand who they are, where they come from, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:56.480 why they do the things they do. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:58.800 And if you're playing. 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.239 A real person, it's just a whole other level, right 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.000 of how do you get inside that person? Yes, how 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:09.679 do you find the positive things to a person who's 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.840 done catastrophic things? How do you humanize them on all 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.520 of that but also then show them respect? Right, there's 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.560 something And if you're playing the other family members, lawyers, 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:28.000 people who have this really specific and unique experience with 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:34.600 these situations. There's like a real amount of of. 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.360 Just respect that you have to show. 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:41.200 And I'm so interested to talk to the people from 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.680 the creative side of how they approach these characters. Do 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.839 they get to go to the places where these things happen? 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.520 How much real access? How much license do you give 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.440 yourself to say I am playing this real person. But 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.200 I also have to kind of do my own version 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.920 of that. So it's just I'm really excited to go 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.839 down that path. And then also I get to it's 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.760 my job. I have to watch these things. I have to, 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:09.040 oh my job to. 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:13.440 Watch True Crime Specialists, which is just so laborious and boring. No, 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.520 that's exciting to get to consume what you love and 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.880 then talk about the process of how you portray this. 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.960 Explain to us or at least to the listeners, what 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.800 this new show format is going to be. How are 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.200 you approaching true crime in this podcast form? 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:37.000 So we're approaching it from the standpoint of the series 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.320 and the films that are recreating and telling. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.680 The story of these crimes. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:42.440 I e. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.160 The Murder Murders is one that has recently been right 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:51.400 been on TV and that series is obviously goes through 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.760 the process of Alec Murda and the murder of his 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:59.120 wife and his son. And so we will interview one 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.400 of the actors from the SHO show, talk to them 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:05.120 about their their process, how how involved in the case 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.520 did they did they get how did they sort of 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.640 separate themselves, how did they prepare for this, and how 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.600 did it impact their own lives? You know, because so 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.160 much of this Also when we're watching as viewers, I 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:25.040 think for myself anyway, you you know, you're you're looking 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.120 at your own life, but you're you're looking at it 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.880 from this standpoint of as I said, kind of you know, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.400 how do we how can we do these things? Like 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.440 how can human beings be so profoundly beautiful and kind 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:45.040 and loving and then so profoundly dark? And how do 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.720 we how do we keep existing as human beings? You know, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.760 we see these things, We have children, we have people 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.320 we care about, Like it's I feel that there was 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.520 really a way to humanize these things that will make 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:02.400 us less uh sensitized, because that's also something that I 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.000 think about a lot that you know, we can't there 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:11.600 are terrible things that happen, you know, and it's important 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.480 for us to really understand these things and not become 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.200 desensitized to them. And I feel like if we can 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.640 talk about it, kind of breaking down how you approach 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:29.240 these people and how because telling these sorts of stories is, uh, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.520 it's a lot of weight to carry, you know, and 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.120 it's not it's not simple. And so I'm interested in 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.760 that crossing of the creative and the real life because 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.440 I think as artist, certainly myself as an artist, the 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.199 older that I get and the more work that I do, 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.360 it's like you sort of incorporate your life into everything, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.120 Like my creativity is inherently part of my life and 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.360 vice versa. So it's sort of I'm really interested in, 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.000 you know, talking about those things and merging them. 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.640 Do you think some of the stuff we see a 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.680 lot of the stories we see and we all watch 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.760 a lot of true crime, is it your opinion that 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.520 most of us are capable of some of this stuff 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:14.920 just were not in those circumstances. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:16.760 Or I think a lot of what. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.600 We're seeing is these people are anomalies, because it doesn't 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.000 feel like that to me necessarily. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:22.320 It doesn't feel that way to me either. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.880 I think that we want, we want to believe that, 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.080 we want to say these are outliers. These these are 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.760 the exceptions to the rule. But is this a part 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.480 This is a part of human nature. It is a 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.240 part of all of us, and it is really it's 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.559 just like I mean, I bring everything. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.960 Back to Harry Potter, that there is there is a 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:43.800 good and bad. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.480 It's a choice, right, and we are all driven by 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.120 the We all have the good and the bad in us. 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:55.000 And certainly, you know, things are they're extreme ends to 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.360 both of those things. But I don't think it's an anomaly, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.040 you know, especially when we. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.439 Life is hard. You know, life is hard. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.719 Life is really beautiful too, but it's not easy, and 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:13.560 dependent upon how you respond to those things, how the environment, 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:18.160 your environment responds to you, the pressure can build. And 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.600 I always feel like, I don't know if it's because 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.600 I'm an actor that you sort of have to be 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.640 able to imagine all these things. But I always feel 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.600 like anyone is capable of anything, great things and small, 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:37.520 you know, And I think it's shortsighted to say otherwise, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.679 to sort of put people in buckets, right, they go, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.280 this is a great person, they only do great things 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.360 that it's terrible person, you know, And part of it 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.160 is like judgment we all have to have good judgment 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:49.840 right where we try to have good judgment. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:51.800 So, but they're that great. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:57.040 The middle, the middle bit is really where you know 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:57.839 most of us are. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.000 What do you find you're drawn to? What type of 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.520 true crime stories? We We do a thing we call 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.599 murder in the Morning. We just started calling because we 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.400 wake up first thing in the morning, it's two, three, 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.160 four or five in the morning, and we turn the 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.319 TV on and we don't want to watch cartoons or news. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.600 We turn on something to where a white has killed 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:22.160 her husband. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.280 We are weird when the spouse kills. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:30.000 So we're hoping I'm interested in that. I'm very interested in. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:34.640 Spousal disputes, yes, and family sort of disputes, because. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.360 I think that's like so ripe. 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.520 I mean, we all know it's all it's so relatable, 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.040 it's so relatable, and then it. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:40.920 Just becomes to work. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.920 Yes, women are always what it's nurses or nurses they 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.880 have a gambling addiction, yes, or credit. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:54.520 Card corre and nurses have access to drugs. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.280 But I feel like, look in that's some prime stories 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.040 that we watch. I feel like women are so sadistic, 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.200 like if a man's going to kill you it's just 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.560 going to be like quick, brutal, but quick women, we 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.079 will torture. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.079 What you suffer. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:18.320 And we've been planning it and planning it for ages and. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:27.439 Watching it unfold because we can MULTITASKI. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.280 Oh my goodness, it is funny that we do love 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.360 some of these true crime stories. In fact, where we're 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.200 staying here in Brentwood, we did notice we were walking 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.400 to go pick up something and we were on Bundy, 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.840 so and of course, obviously o J. We looked it 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.000 up and we couldn't believe how close we were to 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.160 where the murders happened. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.520 And I'm we're going on a run tomorrow. I was like, 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.160 I might have to run. I have to run by that. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:57.920 I mean, I'm telling you. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.439 I remember in high school my English teacher called it 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.839 fascination with the abomination. I know, I had it from 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.319 the moment I was a kid. 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.720 So don't you think that's partly why you got into journalism, 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.560 I'm sure of course. And then also it's about having 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:17.880 a real curiosity about humanity and life, right, it's not 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.240 so this is this is the thing, like it doesn't 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.360 have to be exploitative, right in this way, it's actually 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.319 a true fascination that we have. It's like a curiosity. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.240 If you're paying attention at all, you know, and have 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.680 a pulse, you can't be not affected by these things. 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.760 I was going to ask, do you think people are 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:39.840 born evil? 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.560 Are inherently evil? Maybe? 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.560 And selfish and you have to learn otherwise. I'm curious 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.760 where you fall on that. Is it a learned thing? 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.520 Are you born with it? Do you choose it? 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.200 This is, you know, one of the age old questions, right, 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:01.120 the eternal question. I feel like we are It is 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.720 based in the soul. So we come into this life 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.760 with a soul, and the soul's in the body, so 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.880 you're you know, you come with that, everybody you come with, 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:10.480 but the. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:11.480 Soul is really there. 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:16.480 This is my personal belief and that you're here on 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.800 earth to work through things, and you have to work 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.520 through those things in a human way. So what you're 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.200 working through is going to be different than what I'm 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.960 working through. There might be some crossover, you know, but 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.480 sort of like the big task of being alive is 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.560 individual with all sorts of crossovers. So the good or 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.440 bad thing, you know, and I think about this, you know, 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.680 when you have a child, when I have my daughter. 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:42.840 I remember thinking. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:46.200 Before I was like, oh, you know, I mom and 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.320 I have adore in my mother, but we have a 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.480 complicated relationship, you know. So I was always like, oh, 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.080 I'm gonna have a boy. It's better, I'm gonna have 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:53.320 a boy. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.320 I'm definitely having a boy. I was like, he's gonna 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:56.880 wear bow ties. I was like doing things. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.760 And then when I was pregnant in the middle of 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.160 like maybe like four or five months, I remember we 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.440 were on this vacation, my cousin and I and I 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.720 was like, oh, I think I'm having a girl. I 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.160 think I'm having a girl. And we hadn't found out yet, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.920 like at that time she's thirteen. Now you couldn't. It 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.680 was later when you could find out the gender. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.480 Yes, so at any rate. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.920 And I was like, I feel like I had this 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.240 and to me, I know you're going to be like 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.480 I'm looney Tunes. I feel like that was like the 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.880 moment where it's like her soul came, chose me, here 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.240 we go, and it like shifted. Now you might have 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.400 always been the case, and my mind was like I'm 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.440 just gonna have a boy because it'll be easier for me. 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:35.240 It'll be better for me. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.000 We all have girls, yes, And now, of course I 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.440 wouldn't change this for the world, you know. But so 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:48.120 my point being that she like, once she came out 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.480 and was here, I fully understood. Oh, I'm like the 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.880 vessel that brought her here. But she is her own thing, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.680 and we are like here, I'm here to give her 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.440 my moral guidelines and to give her my support and 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.560 show her how, you know, my husband and I how 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.640 we feel about the world now we do things. But 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:17.360 she is her own person, like one hundred percent her 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.760 own person, and I don't ever want to change that. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.880 Like I celebrate that, you know. Sometimes that's why we 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.880 butt heads and why we have, you know, sort of 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.080 some trouble. But it's like you just go, oh, we really. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.800 Are all individuals, you know, we really are. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.600 So I think it's that was a really long winded answer, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:35.760 but that's what I think. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:36.480 You know. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.760 My last question on the podcast and covering true crime 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:45.280 is I just want to hear your take. And sometimes 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.040 it's a criticism of it's a morbid curiosity, and people 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.880 take it as sometimes you are profiting or using someone's 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.280 pain or painful story as a part of entertainment, and 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.640 I get that to a certain degree. I never feel 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.960 like that and I'm watching true crime. But for folks 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.399 when that's out there, where do you come down in 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.320 that idea that what we're seeing is sometimes more of 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.960 a curiosity, sometimes entertainment. But I see it and it 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.120 sounds like you see it a little differently, And why 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.280 it's important to be telling it because there's so much 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.080 true crime out the stories, I mean, the shows are 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:23.880 a little ridiculous coming they are out there. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.679 But take on that idea, I. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:27.639 Would say two things. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.880 One, when people are in pain, and I have known 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:41.600 people who have gone through just unimaginable, unspeakable pain. They 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:42.640 don't want to not. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.320 Talk about it, they actually have to. And the more 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.160 that people ignore it or say like. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:50.600 Oh, don't bring it up, don't bring it up, you know, like, 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.679 let's not upset her, it's you're doing them a disservice 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:55.560 because they're thinking about it all the time. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:56.200 Right. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.000 So if there's a part of this that can be very, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.320 very healing to people, I think when it's done respectfully 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.920 and well. And then the other part of it is 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.840 as a creative person, it's like it's a it's a 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:13.879 calling to be a creative person as an actor and 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.440 not to get to like get my violin out here, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:21.200 but truly, so we're like doing a service, like it's 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.240 a calling. We're artists, So you really are imbuing this 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.399 with humanity and with truth. And you know, in a 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:33.399 prit not everything is you know, Shakespeare or oscar Worthy, 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.800 but you know, I think everybody that's the goal is 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.040 to do good work and to show respect for something, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.879 and I think that it can be revelatory for people 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:55.840 and you know, even healing at sometimes. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:02.400 And to get people excited about this new podcast, Killer Thriller, 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.000 which we're very excited about. Can you give us an 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.560 idea of the stories that you're interested in right now 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.760 that you're hoping to tell. I know you're going to 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.239 focus on some of the actors who portray some of 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.600 the worst people in the world and what that's like 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.360 to walk in those bodies and to try to get 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.280 into those mindsets, which I can't imagine what that's like 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.480 as an actor. But what are the stories that you're 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:32.720 hoping to share or some of the true crime elements 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:34.840 that folks can look forward to on this podcast. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.280 So we're going to do new shows that are very topical, 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.520 like the Murder Murderers, the Menendez Brothers A week don't 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.919 ever seem to want to let them go, but something 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:50.600 is always shifting in their story, dis fascinating the new ones. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.440 Who is the one the guy? There are a few 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.120 that I would like to just put it out there 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.600 that I hope they will make soon. I'm sure there's 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:03.960 going to be an Epstein series of some kind. Diddy 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:14.360 and uh right, Brian Walsh is we can't stop watching it. 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.399 We have watched it all day every day. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.080 I hope somebody is writing that right now. I really 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:20.840 hope that they are. 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:22.639 And OJ s O J. 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.720 Simpson never goes away, never never, and that those shows 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.119 the versace some of these people like Jason Clark and 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:35.800 Murder Murders that series. He is like otherworldly. He is 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.400 so phenomenal in this show. Everybody is, the whole cast 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.080 is really quite wonderful, but he is like. 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.119 On another level. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.159 And the transformation that this guy does from the first 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:51.240 episode to the end, it's like you it's. 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.200 Like you're watching a mad man. I just it is. 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:57.679 He's so spectacular and they're all great, Like everybody is wonderful, 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.920 isn't it whisht All that like, it's a terrific cast, 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.800 but he's amazing. And in the the OJ series People 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.440 Versus OJ, Sarah Paulson is like also Marcia Clark, she 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:12.720 nails credible. She's so good at. 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.120 Lobby for Courtney b Vance to get an oscar for 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:16.440 a show that was on TV. 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:19.720 Yes, incredible. 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.720 Yes so, And these are people that really are imbuing 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.520 these people with humanity, you know. 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:29.320 And I think that's one of the cool parts about 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:33.840 it because it's not just the killer or the evil doers. 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.360 The people, it's the people around around. 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:40.679 Yes, these stories and in many ways those people are 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:44.919 especially particularly in the murder murders in that series, the 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:52.000 way they show it, the family and the police officers 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.639 and all of those people, like they have such a 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.480 unique importance because many of them were either afraid to 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.240 speak up we're like a party to the whole thing, 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:09.480 or just really you know, had no resources and had 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.119 no other opportunity, like didn't how to sort of do 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.440 what was in front of them. And that's another piece 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:18.920 of these things. I think that's really important to see. 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.680 Sometimes people it's like their circumstances. 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.280