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Speaker 2: And Kevin An. iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to you, and that's what you really miss podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited for today's film that thing you do.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into this, Kevin, I need to have

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Speaker 1: just a conversation about Tom Hanks for a second.

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Speaker 2: Oh please.

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Speaker 1: They say don't meet your heroes, they are wrong.

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Speaker 2: The only exception by Paramore was written about meeting Tom Hanks.

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Speaker 1: I met Tom Hanks and I was I don't usually

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Speaker 1: get starstruck by a lot of people. I actually get

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Speaker 1: more starstruck for my brother, who like freaks out about

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Speaker 1: the people I meet, which I love so like, but

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Speaker 1: this one was like very personal and deeply meaningful for

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Speaker 1: me to meet Tom Hanks.

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Speaker 2: The funny you meet him?

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Speaker 1: So I met him at Jeff Franklin's house, who was

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Speaker 1: Glee Brittany, and we went to Jeff Franklins house. Jeff

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Speaker 1: know everybody stayed friends. So I went over there one night,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't, because I got invited over every time you

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Speaker 2: got invited, but I could never go. For some reason,

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Speaker 1: And this time Tom Hanks was there, and I walk

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Speaker 1: like he's like, hey, how you doing in like full

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Speaker 1: You can't you can't detach the two. So I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: We were looking at the aquarium that Jeff has on

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Speaker 1: As always, You're like, well, I was on a show

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Speaker 1: called Glee. You may have heard of it. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's great. He watched Glee. Do you remember at the

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Speaker 2: Golden Globes he and Rita Wilson went up to Leah

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Speaker 1: What I'm life complute, Yeah, your dreams come true? Life

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Speaker 2: Because then we were all like, wait, they what.

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Speaker 1: It's beyond? I mean, I just I just really love

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that people speak of him highly. He's very engaged.

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Speaker 1: when that thing you do came out, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I like coord knows him.

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Speaker 2: I just love that, Like this that thing you do

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Speaker 1: Movie form yes, that's exactly right, Like that's what it

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Speaker 1: in the news, That Thing You Do premiered on October fourth,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the best year. That's Moore set, Smashing Pumpkinska.

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Speaker 1: It is the movie. Yes, it is the movie. Adam

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Speaker 1: I mean, you are correct, you are correct. Wow Wow,

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Speaker 1: Success totally and specifically. Tom Hanks felt like he needed

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Speaker 1: There's also nobody better to write a script like this

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Speaker 2: The pacing is great. Nothing is overloaded, nothing gets two

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Speaker 2: Like those little things are so nice because it's like

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Speaker 2: Blossoms and They Might Be Giants. Songwriters were given minimal

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is so generic. Obviously. The song that rose

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Speaker 2: I think when it's songs like this, songs that are

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Speaker 1: they really did put them through like camp basically to

438
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: turn them into like a believable band. They all did,

439
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: you know, individual lessons and then like you said, but

440
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: then they also like rehearse together to just find that,

441
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, the glue. I also appreciated that, like for Hank's,

442
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't Hank's for Tom, it wasn't about the perfection

443
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: of the music and them getting like complete, like all right,

444
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: but like that, it was more about the joy, which

445
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: I think was so right right, Like if they didn't,

446
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: if they were so stuck on the perfection of like

447
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: the music, it doesn't you know, it wouldn't have read

448
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: the way it.

449
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: I feel like that sentiment though, is like brought to

450
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: every single scene because I felt so often, like you know,

451
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: when you hear their song on the radio for the

452
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: first time, which is such a.

453
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: Good scene, Oh oh so good.

454
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: But I was expecting you know the owner of the

455
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: store to be like all upset and like tell them

456
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: to shut up and get out of the store. Like

457
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: at every turn there are opportunities to fall into those things,

458
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: and they never did it, like they let the joy

459
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: win in every scene. Yes, And I just it was

460
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: just so pleasant to not have to like worry about

461
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: any of those things happening. When Tom Hanks came into

462
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: the picture or when that manager came into the picture,

463
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: I was like, oh no.

464
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, No, it's

465
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: all good. I know, as many sense I've seen it,

466
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: they always come in and I'm like, they're gonna get

467
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: got because that's what you expect. That's what it's always been.

468
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Kind of what you see in these films about music

469
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: is like the record label bad, the art is getting scammed,

470
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: you know, and to an extent, like there's you know,

471
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: some truth that people wouldn't have started writing about that,

472
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: right we know this, but like, yeah, what a nice

473
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: relief to see it's not actually about that at all.

474
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: It's more about the guys and how they handle this

475
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: and what they really want and did they want this

476
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: to begin with? Right?

477
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it is interesting to see, you know, you have

478
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: like the Ethan Embry character who randomly scientific had Disneyland

479
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: just like but like, okay watching this, Jenna, how relatable

480
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: was watching people success and see their reactions of what

481
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: they cared about?

482
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: Yes?

483
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: Did this not feel like we were looking into him?

484
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: For sure?

485
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

486
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: This is this people a Disneyland.

487
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: It's so realistic though, because you have people who only

488
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: care about the art, like Jimmy. You have people like

489
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: guy who just like, this is a good time. I

490
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: just want to keep doing this. Yeah, yeah, and I

491
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: like the music, but I'm not a genius like Jimmy.

492
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: Or then you have people like Son likes you know,

493
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 2: seems On, who was like in it for the party

494
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: and the fame.

495
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: And friend, you know, his buddy's in there, and then

496
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: he falls in love and is like onto the next thing, right,

497
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: And you have.

498
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: The other guy who was like never really cared about

499
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: being there and like this was not part of his

500
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: life plan and is like gonna go do other things

501
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: he actually cares about, like go to Disneyland, or go

502
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: to do two tours in Vietnam.

503
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: TV player the player yes, m h yeah, off to

504
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Disneyland he goes, Yeah, And it's such a there's a

505
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: way that Tom Hanks wrote this that is not so

506
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: in your face, like it's just for some reason, I

507
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: didn't feel like lectured by it or just like he

508
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: played it out for us and you're like, oh, here

509
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: it is where he drops it on you. But that

510
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: scene where he's like you're the smart one. I always

511
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: thought you were a smart one and he's like he's

512
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: the talent, right, Like there's something about that, like just

513
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: that brings the whole film together, like that scene but

514
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: isn't so obvious. Like I don't know if that was

515
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: the delivery or the writing or both, but it was

516
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: really well executed to a place where I didn't feel

517
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: like he ruined it.

518
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

519
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

520
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: You know, the only part of the movie. There's two

521
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: things in parts of the movie. I didn't like.

522
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me.

523
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: And they're at the end. Tell me when at the

524
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: end the guy looks into the camera.

525
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: He looks down the rails. It's giving POMPEII.

526
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: Yes, And I don't know. I don't I don't want it.

527
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

528
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't I don't get it. I don't like it.

529
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

530
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: And then I don't like the fake stories for where

531
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: these people ended up. But if they were inspired very

532
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: real people, then fun yeah cool, I just don't know.

533
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Fun fact, Jenna, do you know there's a director's cut

534
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: of this movie?

535
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: No?

536
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: And Tom makes character is gay?

537
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 4: What?

538
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's revealed. I have to look this

539
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: up after, but it's revealed, and like one of the

540
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: scenes that he's dating a man. There's also a lot

541
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: more scenes, but that I feel like is the that's

542
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: the most noteworthy.

543
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: Wait, I love that. I love that.

544
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: I think it was nice also to, like, especially in

545
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: this day and age, to reframe how we view like

546
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: a fame and success a little bit where this is

547
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: sort of what some of them wanted, happy accident for

548
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: others yep, and so like just because they didn't continue

549
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: with the band or like try to write off the

550
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: success doesn't mean they didn't have great lives.

551
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And also like I think it's okay

552
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: to to want fame, like if you know what you're

553
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: asking for, but then to also realize you didn't want it. Yes, absolutely,

554
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: I think there's that too, But yes, I yes, fame

555
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: is not everything. I mean, we can't really raid performances,

556
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: because like there's really only one song, yeah You and

557
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: everything is the music really just uplifts the story.

558
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: I have a question why hasn't this become a stage musical?

559
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: So I did a little research. There's been talk about it.

560
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: I think Tom Hanks has thought about it.

561
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: I don't think there's enough music, and you'd have to

562
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: create new music, and then you're taking a big risk there,

563
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: which I don't mind. But like, I don't know, why

564
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: would you touch something if it's like it's kind of

565
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: like for me, I love the New Seast Broadway. Of

566
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 1: course we have lots of friends who were in it

567
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: and et cetera. But it's different than the film, like

568
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: the word, the lyrics are all different. It's not the

569
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: same music to me, and it ruins it for me.

570
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you hear all these other songs in there, right,

571
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: like the B sides that Jimmy keeps talking about. Sure,

572
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: there's opportunities to show some of those. I think you

573
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: can add to it without taking anything away, okay, And

574
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: I feel like there's also room to explore some of

575
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: these relationships a little deeper.

576
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: You do risk going and I'm not saying you can't

577
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: execute this well, right, I'm not saying that you can't

578
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: risk in the sixties in this world going cheesy correct

579
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: and the cheesy will overtake the story and it screams

580
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: like hairspray to me, like it look feels like that's

581
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: the that's the jump, and I just can't see it now.

582
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'd love to be proven wrong, but that's my

583
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: take on it is like you just air on like

584
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: everything feeling a little too but what.

585
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: If it looked a little more like stereophonic and less okay?

586
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Yeah, see, I'm open to it. I'm open

587
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: to it. What happened with the musical though, yes, Hanks

588
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: didn't want.

589
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: To do it, I don't know.

590
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if it came back.

591
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: I mean, so, like, you know, there's threadit boards and

592
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: things saying there are over a dozen songs, but none

593
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: of them advanced the plot. Fair so it's considered a

594
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: play instead of a musical.

595
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, I get it, But I don't know if

596
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this on stage, like there has to

597
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: be more music, right, I.

598
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: Mean there was an article in two thousand and one

599
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: on Playbuild that Tom's Tom Hanks that thing you do

600
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: may become musical.

601
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: Okay, that was a long time ago.

602
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, very long time ago.

603
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: So let's do some party takes, okay, cringe roments.

604
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't know, I know, I don't know, because

605
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: it's almost like every turn where I expected something cringe

606
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: or it didn't happen.

607
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay with that, mm hmm

608
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: nothing glaring. No, I'm sure there's buried. Yes, But best

609
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: dance move I mean the choreography.

610
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: But when there's a girl group on stage and they're

611
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: performing on one of the State Fair dates, Oh, hold

612
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: my hand, hold my Heart?

613
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: Oh maybe, yes, yes, yes, okay, and also some shooters dance. Yes,

614
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: obviously the.

615
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: Best song the only one that.

616
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 1: You do obviously hold my Hand, hold my Heart? Yes, okay,

617
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: performance by a prop.

618
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean I think the Wonders like first

619
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: print of their single on the.

620
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: Right cute I'm going with guys sunglasses?

621
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, excellent.

622
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: The journey of the the uh best line I quit,

623
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: I quit?

624
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: Why couldn't you have dumped in Pittsburgh?

625
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: Or when? Oh wait, I actually live? This is my

626
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: favorite line from the whole movie. Shame on me for

627
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: kissing you with my eyes closed so tight that whole monologue,

628
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: you see what.

629
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: I mean, Like that could have been so corny, and.

630
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: So I know, I know, you're right, You're so right.

631
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: It just but it's perfect. There's something about the mixture

632
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: of the actor and Tom and the groundedness that he

633
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: brought out of these people and they kept throughout the film,

634
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, because it really could have the whole world

635
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: could have looked you know, it could have went that way.

636
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, MVP Tom Hanks.

637
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: No, I think we're just going actor.

638
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: Okay, we're just going actor.

639
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: I'm giving it to Tom Everett Scott too.

640
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Definitely.

641
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: I now have a crush on him, so I always have.

642
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know. Okay, should we found

643
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: a TikTok? Jenna, do you know the impression of an

644
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: owl trend that's going on so people? Okay, this one

645
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: is my impression of an owl, but it's glee.

646
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: But like, what are people doing?

647
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: You'll just just watch it and you'll understand. So this

648
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: one goes.

649
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: Very cute, jessin where what other people doing?

650
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: I saw what was jay z? If he wasn't, I

651
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: was like, oho, I saw one if Soljia boy was

652
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: now this you.

653
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is so funny.

654
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: It's very good. People do some incredible impressions on there.

655
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: This is good. Okay, how fun.

656
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 2: So coming up, we're talking to the one and only

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Speaker 2: Jimmy from The Wonders himself, Jonathan Sheck Yay, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And so next week we're gonna try something a

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