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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Donald. They called me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: with our returning guest super producer, Casey Pegram. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Today we are diving

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Speaker 1: into something that many of you and your fellow conspiracy

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Speaker 1: realists have asked us to do for a number of years.

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Speaker 1: We're touching on the concepts of conspiracy and music. The

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Speaker 1: music industry is cutthroat, it's brutal. It's often described as

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Speaker 1: a z grow some game. But wait, Matt, Noel, Ben,

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Speaker 1: you might be saying none of you are kings of

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Speaker 1: a music empire. Sorry, as if you will, We're not

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Speaker 1: even really that cultured, right, So, as we know on

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Speaker 1: this show, the best way to get closest to the

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Speaker 1: truth is to go to a primary source, and luckily,

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Speaker 1: As a whole. Yeah, somebody who has been at the

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Speaker 1: this industry. And I guess the best way to introduce

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Speaker 1: little bit of background. Noel, would you do the honors? Yes?

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Speaker 1: So today we interview a guy um who I was

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Speaker 1: James Prince or j Prince. But when you start digging

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Speaker 1: mogul and trend setter and just all around forward thinking guy,

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Speaker 1: you realize that he laid some of the groundwork for

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Speaker 1: many of the hip hop record labels that we know today,

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Speaker 1: especially from the nineties and early two thousand, things like

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Speaker 1: like we know can be such a problem with big

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Speaker 1: record labels, and we talk a lot about that with

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Speaker 1: Mr Prince. But he founded um a label called rap

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Speaker 1: a Lot Records in and then the first album was

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Speaker 1: lot that he owned and braided. And he did it

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Speaker 1: to get his brother, who was a rapper who went

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Speaker 1: they lived in in Houston, Texas, in a neighborhood called

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Speaker 1: the Fifth Ward. And he talks a lot about that,

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Speaker 1: and so he um kind of assembled a group called

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Speaker 1: the Ghetto Boys. The most famous of their tracks that

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Speaker 1: he also managed Devin the Dude. If you're if you're

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Speaker 1: that I Got High. Actually, Devin the Dude has a

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Speaker 1: this interview, But I think That's an excellent way to

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Speaker 1: by himself. He was always kind of hustling and investing

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Speaker 1: a little guy the named of Floyd Mayweather a minute. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so this guy's been around and in that in those

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Speaker 1: journeys that he's been through in his life, he's seen

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Speaker 1: some stuff. Specifically some stuff they they the record industry,

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Speaker 1: the music industry, the government, the government, the boxing industry,

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Speaker 1: all of these people do not want you to know.

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Speaker 1: So let's you know, they'll take our word for it.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear from HM. Let's jump right in. Our guest

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Speaker 1: today is James Prince. He's the founder of rap a

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Speaker 1: His memoir, The Art and Science of Respect, is available

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Speaker 1: now as you're listening to this. You can get the

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Speaker 1: book today on Amazon, or you can head over to

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Speaker 1: Apple Music and listen to James Prince read the entire

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Speaker 1: work in audio book format. Thank for coming on the show, sir,

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Speaker 1: h Yeah, it's a privilege and honor to be here.

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Speaker 1: Uh what what do we call you? James? You called

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Speaker 1: me James, Jay Prince. I'm gonna go with Prince. Is

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Speaker 1: that okay? Yeah? The studio where we're recording this is

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Speaker 1: name of James Page, who you know wasn't being treated

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Speaker 1: fairly at all. You know, he had to deal with

432
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Speaker 1: with showtime where two million a fight was coming his

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Speaker 1: way because of you know, James Page. And you know

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Speaker 1: James Page is only getting a hundred and some thousands

435
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Speaker 1: of that money. So, you know, I went to Don King.

436
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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, man, you know the same right we

437
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Speaker 1: have to eat. You know, I'm representing this guy now,

438
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Speaker 1: so you know, show some respect and allow us to

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Speaker 1: eat a little more. And King said to me, brother,

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Speaker 1: if you want him to eat, then you need to

441
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Speaker 1: go and figure out a way from him. Need you

442
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Speaker 1: know this is what I'm so I understood that, and

443
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Speaker 1: uh I made some for next Moves, which caused me

444
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Speaker 1: to get sued by Don King for like twenty million dollars,

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Speaker 1: you know, because he felt like I had took his fighter,

446
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Speaker 1: and which I did and created a belt opportunity. I

447
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: got him the biggest pay day that he had ever made.

448
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Speaker 1: To make a long story short, you know, I I

449
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Speaker 1: warn that lawsuit and you know the headlines read at

450
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Speaker 1: the Prince, the thrones, the King, which you know caused

451
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Speaker 1: my business to try, um to a different level than

452
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Speaker 1: that's a good headline. Yeah. And often in both of

453
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Speaker 1: these businesses which just described as cut through, often we

454
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Speaker 1: see various artists, various even boxers and fighters referring or

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Speaker 1: maybe I should say, deferring to you your opinion to take.

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Speaker 1: Do you see these especially these younger people want to

457
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Speaker 1: follow in your footsteps. Do you see them learning from

458
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Speaker 1: you or I guess what the mask is. Do you

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Speaker 1: see them listening? Yeah? Yeah, most definitely. Uh. When I speak,

460
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Speaker 1: they normally listen. A lot of them reach out to

461
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Speaker 1: me all the time, which you know caused me to

462
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Speaker 1: want to write the book The Art and Science of

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Speaker 1: Respect because of the demand of questions that um I

464
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Speaker 1: be asked all the time. And uh, yeah, they definitely listening,

465
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Speaker 1: and you know that they are wiser, you know, because

466
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Speaker 1: of the information they have access to. You know, a

467
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Speaker 1: lot of them are weaker but wiser. Yeah, you know,

468
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Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, I I actually like some of the

469
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Speaker 1: things that they are doing. You know. I think that

470
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Speaker 1: they are more content where ownership is concerned, more alert

471
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Speaker 1: and on guard then then our generation. So yeah, they

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Speaker 1: some of them. Listen. Speaking of that, you're here in

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Speaker 1: town in Atlanta for the A three C Conference and

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Speaker 1: festival festival. In conference, excuse me, and you're gonna be

475
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Speaker 1: speaking about your booking about a lot of these lessons

476
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Speaker 1: that you've learned and what people are learning from you.

477
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Speaker 1: And uh, this episode comes out today's Friday. You can

478
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Speaker 1: go right now to A three C Festival dot com

479
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Speaker 1: and check out what's going on. There's still a few

480
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Speaker 1: days left. You can go do some things this weekend,

481
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Speaker 1: so check that out for sure. We got a couple

482
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: of quick, rapid fire questions for you just to to

483
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: close this thing out. Um, what's it like owning an island?

484
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Speaker 1: How's that working out for you? Man? That's a that's

485
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: a beautiful feeling to to be uh in a place

486
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Speaker 1: like this around it by water and I never saw

487
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Speaker 1: a darkness that exists the way it exists around water

488
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Speaker 1: And yeah, doll is a beautiful Do you have a

489
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Speaker 1: secret hideout on your eye? Yes? I do. That's cool.

490
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: How much like what do we have to do to

491
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Speaker 1: come hang out with you sometimes? Oh? Man, you know,

492
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: just just ring me, stop giving me a call and

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Speaker 1: we'll make it happy. Alright, cool you gonna take you

494
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: up on that? Um one more what you got? Oh yeah? Sure? Um.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of rumors about you man obviously. Yeah,

496
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Speaker 1: do you have a pig farm or some sort? No,

497
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Speaker 1: I don't have a pig farm, but I do have

498
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Speaker 1: a rant with a lot of black angles, cattle and

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Speaker 1: horses on. That's awesome. Yeah, so we ya. James Prince,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time to to

501
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Speaker 1: come by our studio and fill us in on a

502
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Speaker 1: lot of things that the music industry maybe doesn't want

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Speaker 1: artists and fans to know. Absolutely, thank you all for

504
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: having me dude. Courtesy message was awesome. Thank you. All right,

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Speaker 1: we're back here with just the three of us in

506
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Speaker 1: the studio. That was pretty intense, huh, I was intense

507
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Speaker 1: and a lot of lots I mean, Mr Prince rolled

508
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Speaker 1: in with a sizeable posse, and that was amazing and

509
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: slightly intimidating, but ultimately cool because they were all super cool, kind,

510
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: nice people, as was Mr Prince himself, very generous with

511
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Speaker 1: his time. It was a bit of a crunch, and

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Speaker 1: we felt like we covered most of the bases that

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Speaker 1: we wanted to. Absolutely, we didn't really talk about how J.

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Speaker 1: Prince is kind of a scary figure in a way,

515
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Speaker 1: at least according to a lot of rumors and a

516
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Speaker 1: lot of the legends about him. I I had a

517
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Speaker 1: I had a great time speaking with him. Reminds me

518
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Speaker 1: of some people that in my family that were older

519
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: than meat that I grew up with. And obviously has

520
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: been asked some of these questions before, but I think

521
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Speaker 1: it's horton, especially if you're listening to this and you

522
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Speaker 1: want to pursue a career in the music industry, and

523
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Speaker 1: it's important to know a lot of this stuff because,

524
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Speaker 1: as as we have brought up for in in the

525
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Speaker 1: earlier interview, the music industry is notorious for doing terrible

526
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Speaker 1: things to people who are pursuing a career in music

527
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: in one way or another, and that's stuff with Don

528
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Speaker 1: King a hundred thousand dollars out of two million. That

529
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Speaker 1: blew my mind. Dude, I know well, and I didn't

530
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Speaker 1: want to get too deep into it, but the same

531
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Speaker 1: thing is happening with big, big organizations like the UFC

532
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Speaker 1: and their fighters, where they're making just millions and millions

533
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Speaker 1: of dollars and the fighters get paid like fifty two

534
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: sometimes less unless you're a Connor McGregor. That's record. And

535
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, it might not surprise the people that there

536
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: are rumors fletting around about this guy, you know, having

537
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: to maybe crack some some heads in his day or

538
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: have them cracked on his behalf because you don't get

539
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: to the top as a one man show by being

540
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: a sweetheart to everyone. Um, yeah, no, you're absolutely right,

541
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Speaker 1: the most dangerous person. Let's go to weird analogy here

542
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: talking about bread and making bread some of the old

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Speaker 1: sayings here. I am interested. Okay, Well, the idea for us,

544
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: The idea is that, uh, you can eat bread. That's great, right,

545
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: you can. If you know how to make bread, you

546
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: can feed yourself. And if you can make bread like

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Speaker 1: in your house, that's great. You can feed a couple

548
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Speaker 1: of your friends and your family. But if you build

549
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: a bread factory. Give me like a bakery, a bread

550
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: factory where you can literally start feeding everyone in your

551
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Speaker 1: your area. That makes you a very dangerous person because

552
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Speaker 1: the people that usually sell the bread, they can't sell

553
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: it anymore because you're making it, probably at a little

554
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: cheaper price, and you're giving it, maybe you're giving some away.

555
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: Just that whole idea of being controlled by an outside

556
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: force versus owning the means of production not to that. Yeah,

557
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying, was that stupid? And that's

558
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: a big part about his struggle with the record industry too,

559
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: is because this is a guy that kind of came

560
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: in build his own model where he owns the means

561
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: of production, he does it himself, or he leagues up

562
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: with just the bits of the bigger distros and labels

563
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: that that he needs and then says, I don't need

564
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: the rest of this, you know. And that is a

565
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: model that's kind of coming back around now in terms

566
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Speaker 1: of independent labels doing well, in terms of um individual

567
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Speaker 1: artists more owning the means of production, in terms of

568
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Speaker 1: being able to afford to press their own stuff more cheaply,

569
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Speaker 1: or release it digitally, or make money touring and I

570
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: guess the the issue is there's maybe not millions and

571
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Speaker 1: billions to be made as much anymore as there were

572
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Speaker 1: in the old days, except for a very small elite

573
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Speaker 1: group of people that are still largely controlled by the

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Speaker 1: big record labels. But it's still interesting to see that evolution, uh,

575
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Speaker 1: and to see how he looks at the way things

576
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: are now. It sounds like he doesn't have a completely

577
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: bad outlook on it, but it also doesn't sound like

578
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: he's a huge fan of the current digital you know,

579
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: artists driven right. Yeah, there there were a ton of

580
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Speaker 1: questions that we didn't get to, and we wanted to

581
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Speaker 1: make sure we got to the things that were more

582
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: in the in the realm of cover ups, the things

583
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: that would be helpful to you and your fellow listeners.

584
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: But we left the interview with with several questions still there.

585
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to take time to say, oh, what do

586
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: you think of this seific artist? What do you think

587
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: of this person? I wanted to ask him honestly about

588
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: Kanye in his recent SNL appearance. There's this whole He

589
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: gave this whole speech at the end after the show stopped. Well,

590
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: it was it was the third performance, like at the

591
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Speaker 1: end where you know, everybody comes out on stage and

592
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: everything kind of did another song and they had to

593
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: cut it off because it was like one oh two

594
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Speaker 1: or something. Uh, it ends at one o'clock the morning,

595
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: and then he gave just a really long speech. Anyway,

596
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: if you haven't watched that, you can find it online.

597
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: There's some interesting stuff in there that I think we

598
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: should probably explore, having to do with accusations about Democrats

599
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: setting up the black community to fail. Right, Yes, I

600
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: do remember that part. You can see the speech on YouTube,

601
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: but it might be in a bootleg version. I think

602
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: SNL cut it for their West Coast Chris Rock actually

603
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: filmed a lot of it. Seriously, so let us know

604
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: what you think about cover ups in the music industry,

605
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: about the ways in which the US government or other

606
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: governments may persecute musicians or entertainers. You know, how do

607
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: how do governments navigate or negotiate with uh cultural power centers?

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Speaker 1: You know, and we want to hear your thoughts. We

609
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Speaker 1: also want to give you a brief brief spoiler. We

610
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Speaker 1: are going to have some more music industry episodes along

611
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: the way. You might be surprised by who writes your

612
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: favorite pop song. That's a that's all we got. That's

613
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: a good spoiler. Should we just go ahead right now

614
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: while we have a chance and just call out the

615
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: culture kings, like officially, what do you mean? And just

616
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: say we we heard it, We heard what you said.

617
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Speaker 1: That's all. Oh yeah, I'm having fun with that. We

618
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: heard what you said. And this aggression will not stand.

619
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Speaker 1: No no, it will not Oh no. Yeah, but we

620
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Speaker 1: love you guys, and you know, we look forward to

621
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Speaker 1: putting out the episode that we just did together. Yeah,

622
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Speaker 1: and that loves you. I'm playing so yeah, Jake, Key,

623
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Speaker 1: Segar that's their names. Thanks so much for the Thanks

624
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: so much for the shout out, Thanks for the call out.

625
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Speaker 1: Great to be on the air, and uh We're talked

626
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Speaker 1: with you soon. In the meantime, you can find us

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, Face, Twitter, can find us on Here's where

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Speaker 1: it gets crazy. You can call us directly. We are

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Speaker 1: one eight three three st d w y t K,

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Speaker 1: so you can put the hype on STD it's always

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Speaker 1: gross and I'm sorry we do that. And if you

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00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: don't want to do any of those things, go ahead

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Speaker 1: and write us in good old fashioned email. We are

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Speaker 1: conspiracy and how stuff works dot com,