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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's me Rod and I'm back again with

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Speaker 1: another very special medium talk.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Elite sa Gen Charles, who is a

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Speaker 1: graphic designer, illustrator CEO of Healthy Roots, which is a

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Speaker 1: company that is all about helping little black girls loved

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Speaker 1: a natural hair by giving them dolls with natural hair,

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Speaker 2: Talked about owning your own business, the.

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Speaker 1: Hurdles of being black in America, and sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: great conversation. She's very funny, very engaged in very dynamic.

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Speaker 2: I say that as to say that that's how impressive

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Speaker 1: Wasted your life if you're older than her, and maybe

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Speaker 1: if you're younger too, but step your game up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, get like get like her, Get like yjac that's

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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to another episode of Medium Talk on the

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Speaker 1: Blackout Tests Premium podcast network. I'm your host, Rod, and

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Speaker 1: as always I try to bring very interesting people on

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Speaker 1: I have a woman who has so many jobs, I mean,

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Speaker 2: What's going on you, Lisa is nice to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Hi, nice to be on the show.

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Speaker 4: My hair looks great, my edges are on peak, and

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Speaker 1: Right, and don't I mean, And for the record, land

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you need to.

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Speaker 4: They save all that money by you know, just eating

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Speaker 1: Right, of course, that's I mean, listen, the money gotta

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Speaker 4: So running a business is really really hard, especially when

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Speaker 4: So my challenge is like again raising money and you know,

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Speaker 4: To draw pretty pictures essentially, like I'm a very talented illustrator.

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Speaker 3: I've had to I've had to learn how to hustle.

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Speaker 4: Like I knew how to hustle, you know, like I

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Speaker 4: He was like, you know, I think black women their

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Speaker 1: That will take millions of dollars probably, and if there's

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Speaker 4: before somebody talks. I will say that just the way

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Speaker 4: that they're connected. Black people in this space are connected

445
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Speaker 4: as well. I know people will be like, do you

446
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 4: know so and so? Like you should talk to them?

447
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 4: Is like, I've known her sinceigh school. We actually went

448
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 4: to summer camps together when it's really weird and.

449
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Speaker 1: What was school like, man for the Rhode Island School

450
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Speaker 1: of Design, what was what was that like?

451
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 2: And what was the experience as a black person there?

452
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Speaker 3: Do you know you know Chyenne right, Chayenn Jo?

453
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Hey, we were actually roommates in school. It's

454
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 4: really funny because she's not this fine artist and I'm

455
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 4: not this business person, even though we both went to

456
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 4: the same art school for like similar things.

457
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: But so Rizzi is an incredible school. It will pick your.

458
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Speaker 4: Ass and make you wonder if it's even worth it.

459
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 4: I like, I cannot remember ever being that sleep deprived.

460
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 3: Like I can't believe I did it.

461
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 4: So we have our foundation year where you take these

462
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Speaker 4: three courses Drawing, special Dynamics, and design. I think it's

463
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Speaker 4: called Yeah, I think it's called and I went in

464
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 4: the illustration track. It's a highly selected school, it's but

465
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Speaker 4: it's also very small. It's like two thousand and four

466
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 4: people including graduate and undergrad and our class was like

467
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 4: four hundred people, you know, nine black kids as.

468
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 3: Pre usual because you know, diversity.

469
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Speaker 1: And everyone looking at you like you know, you only

470
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Speaker 1: got it here because you're black.

471
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Speaker 4: I had a conversation my freshman year with a girl

472
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Speaker 4: who said, I don't want to I don't want a

473
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Speaker 4: black person to get in and like take my place

474
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Speaker 4: just because they're black. And I was like, did you

475
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 4: think I got into this school because I'm freaking black?

476
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Speaker 2: Right?

477
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Speaker 3: Yeah? And that's what you think?

478
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Speaker 2: And like, did you think there were only nine of

479
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: you were replacing? You know what I mean?

480
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Speaker 1: Like if that was the plan, like we just love

481
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Speaker 1: diversity so much, then I feel like, you know, when

482
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Speaker 1: they could have got up to a couple hundred.

483
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Speaker 2: Man, I don't think you're that special. No one's that special.

484
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Speaker 4: Like there's only nine black kids in this year, and

485
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Speaker 4: you think some of us got in here just because

486
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Speaker 4: we're black.

487
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Speaker 1: Like I've always whenever that comes up in a conversation,

488
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Speaker 1: because it's normally from quote unquote well meaning white people,

489
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Speaker 1: it's always just like liberal, Like.

490
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Speaker 2: I'm on your side, but I just think it's a

491
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Speaker 2: little un.

492
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Speaker 1: And I have to be like, so ultimately, the extension

493
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Speaker 1: of your logic is that this should be a completely

494
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Speaker 1: white space, right, yeah, just obviously right, you know, And

495
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Speaker 1: how does that make you any different than some make

496
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Speaker 1: America grade again, hat wearing motherfucker. I'm supposed to look

497
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Speaker 1: at you differently and have respect for you. No, fuck you,

498
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Speaker 1: you're my enemy as well.

499
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Speaker 2: But they they hate, but they hate.

500
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Speaker 1: They still will, like I walk them up to that

501
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Speaker 1: sometimes and they still always kind of come back like.

502
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Speaker 2: No, it's not what I mean, And like that's what

503
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Speaker 2: you mean.

504
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Speaker 1: Every office space, every college, every place you see a

505
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Speaker 1: black person, you think we stole someone's spot unless you

506
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Speaker 1: know us, then then it's just that we're so special

507
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: that we're not like the other black people who obviously

508
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Speaker 1: stole their spots fuck out of here.

509
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Speaker 4: So it's like a lot of me and my black

510
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: peers felt so much pressure because of these ideas that

511
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 4: we didn't deserve to be there, that we had to

512
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Speaker 4: work so much. Like not only do I have to

513
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Speaker 4: work hard because my parents are Haitian and if I

514
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Speaker 4: don't bring home good grades and accomplishments, they'll be like

515
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Speaker 4: why did I even give.

516
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Speaker 3: Birth to you?

517
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Speaker 4: As I also have to work hard because white people

518
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 4: think I don't deserve to be here.

519
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: Right and and like so then does that cause you

520
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: nine black people to like sort of group together during

521
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Speaker 1: at ours at r s D.

522
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's weird because there have you ever seen

523
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Speaker 4: those videos where it's like the different types of black

524
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 4: people at college?

525
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Rizzy Is.

526
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Speaker 4: Is predominantly white school. We have a lot of international students.

527
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Speaker 4: We have like South Asian students, Black students and like

528
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Speaker 4: kids from like all over the all over the world,

529
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 4: and so of the black students that existed, there were

530
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Speaker 4: like a few different types. Is like the black kids

531
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Speaker 4: that didn't fuck with the other black kids.

532
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those guys are the worse. Yeah.

533
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Speaker 4: And then the black kids that like only fucked with

534
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Speaker 4: the black kids.

535
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just like the weird black kids.

536
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

537
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Speaker 1: I always end up in the group that always fucks

538
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Speaker 1: with only black people. But that was one of the

539
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Speaker 1: things I always tell people when they do the like

540
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: stupid ass p w I versus HBCU debate that comes

541
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Speaker 1: up every once in a while on social media, which

542
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: looking at my watch, it's about that time it's been. Uh,

543
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: we're a little overdue for that. But I'm always it's

544
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Speaker 1: always weird to me because I mean, I went to

545
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Speaker 1: a HBCU.

546
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: I love my HBCU, I love my experience, all that stuff.

547
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: But if you go somewhere else, you do realize you're

548
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: gonna group up with the other black people, because that's

549
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: what black people do. So it's not like, oh, you

550
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: went to so and so, it's like, yeah, and then

551
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: we had a Black student union or some black activist

552
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: group because I don't know, our bathrooms wasn't as nice

553
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: or something like. It's always some unifying thing, sadly, because

554
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: oppression is unified. But it's always some fine thing where

555
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: it's like maybe in a in a different environment, I

556
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't even have looked at this other motherfucker. But now

557
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: that we're up in here together and both our bathrooms

558
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: don't work, like right like we're going.

559
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: Up to the to the to the student government.

560
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: Were about to change some things. So I feel like

561
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: that's always like an unaffair critique level that p do yours.

562
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: But I always I always thought that that's one of

563
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Speaker 1: the things I love about blackness is that we do

564
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: kind of group together, and we do kind of come

565
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: together for the most part, you know, like that I'm

566
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: not gonna.

567
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 4: Lie though I'd be seeing the HBC videos, HBCU videos

568
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 4: on Facebook where like they stroll in and like the

569
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Speaker 4: whole crowd.

570
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: Is dancing to the beat, you know.

571
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: On time, I was like I wish I had gone,

572
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: Like I missed my opportunity.

573
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so lit. What you don't but what you

574
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: don't see is the people like me that don't dance.

575
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: They're just like on the on the wall in the background,

576
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: like like just like looking like jay Z at the

577
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: inauguration where I'm just like like it's so lit.

578
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: But also I'm not going out there but yeah, it is.

579
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: It is fun. It was a great experience.

580
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Speaker 1: But like I said, I it's not that you get

581
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: the same experience of other places. But like black people

582
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: group up, like I don't like sometimes people use it

583
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: as a mark against someone's blackness, and I'm like, why

584
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: would you do that? Like you black, everywhere you go,

585
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: America is never gonna let you forget.

586
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would say the last thing about my

587
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 4: experience at Rizy. I went into Rizzy as the black

588
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 4: girl who did not fuck with other black people, and

589
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 4: I left as the most radical black girl that I

590
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 4: possibly could be.

591
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask, how so I've because I

592
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: read a couple of interviews. I do research guys, Like

593
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: I totally don't just freestyle these interviews, but like I

594
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: read a couple of your interviews and stuff, and I

595
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: saw your ted talk and you kind of talked about

596
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: that briefly.

597
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: What was that like growing up?

598
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: You say you kind of like distance yourself from blackness,

599
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: Like what was that process? And well, and then I

600
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: guess we'll talk about the process of like kind of

601
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: undoing it.

602
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: So I grew up in a Haitian family, and.

603
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're familiar with a lot of

604
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 4: the issues within the African diaspora, but you know there's

605
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: that internal hatred between you know, Africans, Caribbean people and

606
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: African Americans. Yes, and you know I would sometimes hear

607
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 4: things like dope, be like those black Americans or things

608
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 4: like that, like but we all black. I was so confused,

609
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: like we look the same, what you mean, right?

610
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: So I would hear things like that.

611
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, I also learned a

612
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 4: lot of internalized racism from you know, mainstream culture, from

613
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 4: also from like white people.

614
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: And so I was I grew. I went to middle

615
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: school in New York, and I thought that I was

616
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: so special. I thought I was a special snowflake, like

617
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 3: I was a different black person than the other black kids,

618
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: because like, oh.

619
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 4: I'm really smart and I only read these types of

620
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 4: books and I watch anime and I listened to rock

621
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 4: music and all that kind of stuff, And like, I

622
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: thought that I was better because my white friend said

623
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 4: things to me like you're not even black, you're like

624
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 4: white black, or you're different than those other black kids.

625
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: That is the best trick.

626
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: The devil Liverpool is the fucking the white people that

627
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: compliment you with anti blackness. Yes, especially when you're young,

628
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: because I feel like when you're young, for most of us,

629
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: we're not prepared to really like analyze what that means.

630
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: To as fullest extent. It's kind of like a lot cast.

631
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: That's a good thing, you like, you know, it's like,

632
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: how guys do the you know, not like them other girls.

633
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, I'm so different and you're

634
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: like special and better than these other women. But really

635
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: it's like he says that to every girl that he likes.

636
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: That is not like and you are like those other girls.

637
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a negative, like you're different and

638
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: special in your own ways, but you're not like, you're

639
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: still similar to other women.

640
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: It's not like you came from another planet. You're you know.

641
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: But we do that as a compliment to disarm people,

642
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: and I do think a lot of times black kids

643
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: do have to unpack that later.

644
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: It does like it doesn't do them a favor because.

645
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: White people are socialized to be more conservative, So the

646
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: older they get, the more shit starts to throw show

647
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: through where it's like, oh, they don't really fuck with

648
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: me either, Like you know, some people get it way

649
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: later in life. And I guess some people never do.

650
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there are black Republicans, but like that getting

651
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: that at such a young age, I know, it had

652
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: to it had to be a head trip. So what

653
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: was the like, what was the things that you associated with, uh,

654
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: with the blackness that you felt like you were distancing

655
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: yourself from. And also you're this is so crazy we're

656
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: talking about like when you were young.

657
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: She is twenty three.

658
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: Guys like, yeah, I just have to remind like, you know,

659
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: you're still growing and developing and it's not like it

660
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: took you forever. There's some I mean, look at Stacy

661
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: Dash Okay, some people they.

662
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: Never get out of it. So well, you know, like, yeah,

663
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: that's yeah, I mean that's true.

664
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: So what was the what were the things that you

665
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: associated with blackness? You were like, I don't do that.

666
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: So because of the way that I was taught, like

667
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: I wasn't supposed to speak a certain way, you know,

668
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 4: like using you know, slang, you know, ebonics in general,

669
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: I didn't listen to hip hop or rap, and I

670
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 4: thought that I was cool because I was like, I'm

671
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: gonna listen to that, like that's garbage, that's awful, but

672
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 4: low key you know, love and.

673
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: Beyonce all my life? Right, what else did I do?

674
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 4: I like didn't hang out with the black kids at school,

675
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: Like I thought that made me so special. It was

676
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: so weird, and like I would hang out with like

677
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 4: the white girls or like you know, the really preppy kids.

678
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: And the reason, I don't know. I do know why

679
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: because racism. But I don't know why. I thought that

680
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: that was going to save me from the racism, because

681
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: when I.

682
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: Got to high school, I started realizing, like y'all just

683
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: think I'm stupid, Like y'all don't.

684
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: Think I should be any of the things that I am.

685
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 4: You don't think I should be this excellent because I

686
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: performed really well on the SATs, and like, you know,

687
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 4: I was naturally intelligent, you know you study. My parents

688
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: like forced me to study. I didn't do shit to

689
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: go to school, all right, that was it? Right? And

690
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: one of these white girls turned to me and was like,

691
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: why are you in this ap honors class? And I

692
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 4: was like because I'm preparing for college And I was

693
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 4: like why are you?

694
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: And she's like, I don't want to be in the

695
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: lower level classes with those other kids. And but other

696
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: kids she meant the black kids.

697
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, you know, it's interesting. I also had AP

698
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: classes growing up and stuff. Now my parents are like,

699
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, black, very like very like pro black in

700
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: their own ways, not like shove it down your throat

701
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: pro black, but like I just remember the books my

702
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: mom used to buy me, like Before the Mayflower, which

703
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: is about black people coming to America before white people.

704
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: What color was Jesus? Which the.

705
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: Answer the answer was black guys, The answer was black,

706
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: very short book. It was, you know, but they, you know,

707
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: they got me all this like really you know, pro

708
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: Nikki Giovanni h poems and stuff, like a lot of

709
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: like pro black ship, but also definitely encouraged me to

710
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: be really good at school and stuff. So I remember

711
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: going to AP classes and I had like a slight

712
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: I say slight, but probably more than it's like just

713
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: trust the white people so they were.

714
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: When they would try to hit me with that.

715
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: I used to always just be like, yeah, but I

716
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: for my at least for the way I was raised,

717
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: I had to get on my black ass bus go

718
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: back to my black ass neighborhood every day, so.

719
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: It was never I wouldn't have been able.

720
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: To disassociate from my social circle just because of how

721
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I was just because of financially and stuff like the

722
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: class I was in, the stuff I would go to

723
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: those ap class with white people. They would tell me

724
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: stuff like, you know, you're special, You're different, You're not

725
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: like those other ones. And then I'd go back home

726
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: and play basketball with all my black friends because I

727
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: was like, these are the only people I know.

728
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Outside of school.

729
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: So I think that's the only reason that I didn't

730
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: go through that head trip. But literally, that's just happenstance,

731
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I don't feel special.

732
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: I just feel like, oh, okay, I was kind of fortunate.

733
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to I guess in that case, I

734
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: wasn't able to distance myself from blackness, because I mean.

735
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: That has to be alluring. How many of these movies.

736
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 1: With white women that we see come out have like

737
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: the one black girl in it, you know it's right, yeah,

738
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: like they were like like somewhere right now, right now,

739
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: somebody knows you from like middle school, like Ulyssa Elisa,

740
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: that's that was her. That's That's why I love to

741
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: go see I don't know what are that page perfect

742
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: because it reminds me of what we hang out with

743
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: You're like, wait a minute, but a lot.

744
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: Of girls from school be trying to claim me, you know,

745
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: hit me up on Facebook.

746
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: They're like, don't fuck with me now. If he wasn't

747
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: fucking with me then.

748
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: Like yeah, So do you have anybody that tries to

749
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: come back in your life that now look at you

750
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, I didn't know he was holding

751
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: all this inside?

752
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? I have.

753
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 4: I have about twenty people that I'm Facebook friends with

754
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: just so they can see how great I'm doing. I'm oh,

755
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: I'm petty because they're like and it's the people in

756
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 4: high school who like doubted me and like told me

757
00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: like because someone.

758
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: Told me, oh, why do you care about social issues?

759
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: It's not like you can change anything.

760
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, like you guys are just you

761
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: don't believe that you have any power, and just people

762
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 4: who said really racist things to me and just keeping

763
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: them around so that they can see, like, yes, I

764
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: am intelligent, I am capable.

765
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: What are you doing?

766
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: So what were the things that brought you back like

767
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: to where you're like, you know what, man, I gotta

768
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: get around some black people.

769
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 4: This didn't do much, So I actually I grew up

770
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 4: kind of privileged.

771
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, because my parents made sure I had

772
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: everything that I needed.

773
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: Like while we were low income, like my mom steadily

774
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: like like she was a nurse, she got into like

775
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: lower middle class.

776
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: I guess we were never starving. We never I was.

777
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: I'm also an only child, so we were very like

778
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: we had financial support and stability for the most part.

779
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 4: And so I like didn't go outside. I wasn't hanging

780
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 4: out with kids. I didn't get to hang out with

781
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 4: black kids. So I a lot of black people would

782
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: be like, yeah, you've seen this movie, right, And I

783
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: was like, no, I've never seen Friday. I there's so

784
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 4: many things that are like Black American culture that I

785
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 4: still like I had to teach myself.

786
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: I know, you're lack people. I'm really for real right now.

787
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: Like I had to learn so much about Black American

788
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 4: culture on my own, and I learned it in college,

789
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: Like I watched The Boondogs in college, yeah, Dave Chapelle show,

790
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 4: Like there was so much catching up for me to do.

791
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: And so what happened in college was I realized a

792
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 4: lot of my white peers didn't understand my experience. And

793
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: I finally learned the words to put like to put

794
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 4: together like what I had been feeling or what I

795
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 4: had been experiencing at the hands of white people in

796
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: terms of discrimination. And I found that by putting myself

797
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: in these black spaces, and they pretty much just like

798
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 4: it was like, yeah, girl, we know Khmer.

799
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, journey.

800
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: That's my favorite thing about black people right Honestly, it's

801
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: like I'm surprised we haven't lost that, you know what

802
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like looking at our history in this country,

803
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: Like and I know that everybody gets upset about it

804
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: when we make jokes about inviting someone to a cook

805
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: to the cookout or forgiving somebody that you know, used

806
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: to say fuck shit, but like look at how Dyn

807
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: Lemon's coming back and all this stuff, like everyone get.

808
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: But honestly, I really don't want to live in a

809
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: world where black people don't do that, like because some

810
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: one white people are tripp and we need like we

811
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: need a soft place to land, Okay, But like I

812
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: do love that we like embrace each other like that,

813
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: and especially like because like you said, going through the

814
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: experience when you're younger, you're like, oh, I'm different, I'm

815
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: special and all this stuff, and then you get there

816
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: and black people hug you and they're like, oh no, no, no,

817
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: we know we've been told that too, and let's rebuild

818
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: each other.

819
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: Let's go.

820
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

821
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 4: Specifically at Rizzdy, I can think of every black girl

822
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 4: before me that got me to the point where I'm at,

823
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: and the fact that I hated her when I first

824
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 4: got there because I was like, that thinks she cool,

825
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 4: she thinks she's cute with the pink, all right, whatever.

826
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 4: But then I became her my senior year and the

827
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: freshman black girl was looking at me the same way,

828
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: and then you know, I bring her under my wing

829
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: and we go.

830
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 3: Through this process.

831
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 4: There's like a transformation that black girls go through in college.

832
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: At least it's beautiful.

833
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: I love it, man, honestly, like the like, like I said,

834
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: we start at one place, but you know that love man,

835
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: when they say it's magic, it really is.

836
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: Now.

837
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: Also, you're talking about having to learn black stuff on

838
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: your own.

839
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: The reason I laught is because I just thought in.

840
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: My head, like we should have like a total black

841
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: credit score, where like you know, you get credit for

842
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: those type of things where it's like, you know what,

843
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: Ulyssa came in. She had a very low black credit score.

844
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: She was at a four hundred. But you know what,

845
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: this year, she watched Bloon Dots, she watched The Pale Show,

846
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: she listened to some Beyonce.

847
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 2: We got to move her up to five hundred.

848
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: Guys, she's really working on getting that credit to go

849
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: back up with the community.

850
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you that's exactly how it went.

851
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 2: You know, I get this reference now, like.

852
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: I had to do so much work.

853
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 4: I'm still trying to learn the hip hop and rap

854
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: because I've been seeing I've seeing these arguments about Joe

855
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 4: Budden and like all this other stuff like I don't understand,

856
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: but I'm trying to keep up.

857
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot. That's that's I mean, it's a lot.

858
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, I'm sure there's

859
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: all kinds of other stuff that you grew up with

860
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: that I don't know about, you know what I mean,

861
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: because I was the kind of opposite. I didn't know

862
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: enough white shit for stuff. And I don't like, I

863
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: don't mean that in any type of like pat on

864
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: the back either, because it's not always a positive. Like

865
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel so stupid when I'm hanging out with

866
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: people that have like that. No white shit because I'll

867
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you know, it's like White Snake, remember

868
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: that album, like.

869
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: Who's White Snake?

870
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: Right?

871
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

872
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, Like I know, I know like a few

873
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: white people's songs and stuff, movies and stuff, but like there's.

874
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: So many love Sweet Caroline. I did not know that

875
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: till this past summer.

876
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: That's there, like anthem.

877
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that they care about the national anthem is

878
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: you should just be standing through Sweet Caroline apparently because

879
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: that's what white people love.

880
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 2: I don't get it, but all right, listen, I didn't know.

881
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: That until I got white friends about probably, man, when

882
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: did I get my white friends?

883
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: Probably like twenty five.

884
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: I got some white friends and we went to a

885
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: sporting event. They're Ohio State fans, and the fucking song

886
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: came on and they.

887
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: Just Sweet Caroline.

888
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: Right.

889
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: I was like, what, how does everyone know this?

890
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: What sort of secret white meetings are taking place that

891
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: y'all practice this?

892
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's like nu if you I don't know.

893
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 4: Remember the Facebook debates about knuck if you buck versus

894
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 4: white me Down?

895
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

896
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 2: I remember those.

897
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was in I think I was

898
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: in school when those came out, Like so I mean,

899
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: I remember those vivid Plus I'm from the South, so

900
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: that like that's a vivid debate.

901
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: But I don't know, I'm take me Down.

902
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: That's that's its gospel shoulders chest payt suits. I mean,

903
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: that's I mean, it's tough, you know, I'm I think

904
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm knuck if you buck. But all that kype of

905
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: crunk music is more about fighting. So it's it's like,

906
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I'm not necessarily the go to the

907
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: club kind of guy, but that's definitely a song that

908
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: when that comes on, I get ready to leave because

909
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: every every place I've been when they started that cycle

910
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: of like it's always like knock if you buck. There's

911
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: they had this past de Troy song, Uh we know,

912
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: ain't no playing g A or something like that. And

913
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: then there's this there be this little John song. I

914
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: don't even remember the name of the song, but I

915
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: just remember there's a part where it's like if what

916
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: side you from?

917
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 4: Uh?

918
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: Then people be like, what's side? What's side?

919
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: Then if with my east side and the east side

920
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: east side and such and such a repo click and

921
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: everybody throw they sat some shit and then they go,

922
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: now look at this dude to say fuck yo set

923
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like, whoa, that's a fight is always.

924
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: Donna happen at this part of the song. So yeah,

925
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. I wasn't.

926
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: I just associated with fighting, not really, which is then anthem.

927
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: But anyway, guys, if you got a chance, go to

928
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: trap karaoke because they played knuck if you buck there

929
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: and wipe me down and it was so lit. Everybody

930
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: has such a great time because everybody everybody's older now

931
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: so they not fighting of the fact to this, how'd

932
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: you get into drawing then? When you were you say

933
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: you're an only child? Were you always drawn as a kid.

934
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: It's a sad story. It's outside. It's just you know,

935
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: my family was mean.

936
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: I really, I know everybody in my generation really loved Pokemon,

937
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: but I was a didgymm bitch because I had an

938
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 4: actual storyline and it was from the creators of Sailor

939
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 4: Moon and Dragon Balls, and it was real emotional, you know,

940
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 4: like it was a good you've seen it.

941
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 3: It's good.

942
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely better.

943
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm okay, listen, gosh for disclosure's a safe face, all right, No,

944
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: it's just me and you talking right now. I never

945
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: liked Pokemon and I still don't.

946
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know why do they like it. I don't.

947
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: My brother is a Pokemon generation kid, and I was

948
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: a I was a like Votron and then Power Rangers,

949
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: and then I came home from college and my brother's

950
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: watch your Pokemon, and I was.

951
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: So mad at him because it was it was bullshit.

952
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 2: They never do anything.

953
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: They don't talk, they don't talk, they don't They're just toys.

954
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: They only sell toys. That's the equivalent of like, oh,

955
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: and I know it's probably before your time, but g

956
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: I Joe maybe, like that's the equivalent of all the

957
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: g I Joe's just saying their name roadblock, Roadblock Flint Flint,

958
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Lady Jane like that.

959
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: You're just selling me a toy. You're not even pretending

960
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: to give it a person or have it do things.

961
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: And it's so frustrating.

962
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to not I don't want

963
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: to young people jump, but it's so frustrating watching people

964
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: talk about how much they loved that was fucking Pokemon.

965
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: How do you think I felt going to elementary school

966
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: talking about digity devices and everybody's playing Pokemon on their

967
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: freaking game boys, like.

968
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: I don't care like trash, and those games was trash.

969
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: Those games weren't even good, I said. I tried to play.

970
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: Those games, and I was like, what am I even doing?

971
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: I was walking through a.

972
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: Field trying to catch monsters, looking for people to fight.

973
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: And then they had the nerve the fucking audacity to

974
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: be like Pokemon yellow, Pokemon green pokem I'm like.

975
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: It's the same damn game.

976
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: They selling y'all the same game with a different color

977
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: on it, and y'all are buying more than one.

978
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: What is wrong with you people?

979
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

980
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: I wasn't a fan, but digitimon was my shit, and

981
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 4: I remember, I remember my mom bought me a digimond

982
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: coloring book or like how to draw a books, you.

983
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: Know, because they used to make those for kids, because

984
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 3: kids you to actually read books and stuff. I started drawing.

985
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 4: The characters and they weren't great, but you know, you're

986
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 4: supposed to encourage children, and my family like encouraged me

987
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 4: because it kept me quiet, kept me out of their way,

988
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: and it kept me busy in general. So I just

989
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 4: kept doing that and I got really really good at it,

990
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 4: and I just kept drawing.

991
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: I started doing portraiture.

992
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: And it's weird because I didn't have any formal training

993
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 4: and Rizzy is like one of the best art schools.

994
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 4: It's been on the like number one charts and things

995
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 4: like that for a while now, and I did not

996
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 4: know that Rizzi was this big school when I applied

997
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 4: and my art teacher just like made me put a

998
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: portfolio together.

999
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: And I got in and I was really shocked.

1000
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 4: But yeah, I love drawing because I had such a

1001
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: love for reading and I was a very visual person.

1002
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 4: I like to bring to life the things that I

1003
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: was reading. I may have made like a couple of

1004
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: mangas before.

1005
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: I was kind of nerdy. So yeah, I still have

1006
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: a portfolio of If you google my name, you can

1007
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 3: find it with my illustration work.

1008
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: And that's actually how I got started with like my

1009
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: whole Internet presence. I'm Internet a Tumblr blogger and an

1010
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: online media site shared some of my work and I

1011
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I can do this. I can make

1012
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: things and people will like it.

1013
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 3: So I kept doing that.

1014
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: So you like you were drawing by hand, have you

1015
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: like had to graduate quote unquote to like digital.

1016
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 2: Drawing.

1017
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 4: So my my strongest skill set is straight pencil to paper,

1018
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 4: graph bite, charcoal.

1019
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: You know, I can do figure drawing.

1020
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: I do digital illustration, and like I do graphic design work,

1021
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 4: so I know the Adobe well. I know illustrator in design,

1022
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: Photoshop a few I can do some.

1023
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: Video editing and premiere.

1024
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 4: I'm not an animator of any sort, but I do

1025
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 4: digital paintings and graphics.

1026
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 3: I've designed an app before.

1027
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 4: I do rebranding for startups, you know their decks, their logos,

1028
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 4: you know, brand guidelines in general, I do.

1029
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: I do a lot of things.

1030
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: So what's that like?

1031
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: Also freelancing, because one of the things that's interesting about

1032
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: like what I show.

1033
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: You know, we have ads and.

1034
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: We have sponsors sometimes and like I remember we first

1035
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: start getting requested be like, hey, how much would it

1036
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: cost to sponsor the show? And I'm like, oh my god,

1037
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: I know what I do is valuable. I don't know

1038
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: how much how valuable it is. You know, same thing

1039
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: with like freelance work, stuff like that. You have to

1040
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of find a way to you know, to charge

1041
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: what the right that you feel you should be getting

1042
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: paid and all this stuff.

1043
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: What's that? What was that experience?

1044
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: Like?

1045
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 4: In the past year, I have learned so much about

1046
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 4: my value just from dealing with men alone. I don't

1047
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 4: know if you follow my Facebook post about men, yeah,

1048
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: I've been seeing uh yeah, I read them all the time.

1049
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: I'm very much fuck you pay me. My time is valuable.

1050
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: Don't come over here.

1051
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 4: Like and I do the same thing when I'm freelancing.

1052
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: This is really weird thing going on with online spaces

1053
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: because there's so much competition. A lot of people are

1054
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 4: very much used to using what are those apps called

1055
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 4: the fiber.

1056
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: They're used to paying people like twenty bucks for a logo,

1057
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: and they think that they can come up to me

1058
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: and hey, can you do this whole entire rebranding packaging

1059
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: for like one hundred fifty dollars my degree alone, Like

1060
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: my degree I paid. I paid sixty thousand dollars a

1061
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: year to learn how to do this right, and you

1062
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: think that I can do it for one hundred dollars.

1063
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then like it's added pressure too because it's

1064
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: like as a black person, like if a black person

1065
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: ask you, it's like, all.

1066
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: Right, dude, I don't want you to think on some

1067
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 2: type of coon.

1068
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: Or some shit, but like literally my time is more

1069
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: valuable than this, and you know, like the same charity,

1070
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, like I have.

1071
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 2: I have, I have rent coming in. It ain't nothing personal.

1072
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: Like I've had people where they'll like email us like hey,

1073
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: I like the advertising your show and I'm like, ah,

1074
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: this is gonna suck, like yeah, it's gonna cost blank

1075
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: And They're like, okay, well I don't have that. Maybe

1076
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: one day I'll get it. And one of the things

1077
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: I will do is be like, well we have there's

1078
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: other podcasts out there that need the money and need

1079
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: the help, and they're you know, maybe they're not as

1080
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: popular yet, but getting at the ground floor with them,

1081
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, and keep that money and you know, and

1082
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: still in some black podcasters' hands. Don't just look at

1083
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: it like I couldn't afford TOGWT, so I'm not gonna

1084
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: do it.

1085
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1086
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: And it's sometimes we'll hook people up too, But like

1087
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: that took us getting to a point where we could

1088
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: do that. Like it's not something that like we wave

1089
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: that heavily because you know, obviously if we started doing

1090
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: that then we would have never been able to have

1091
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: a business. So but yeah, that determining your own value

1092
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: thing is so it's so interesting in art, you know.

1093
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 4: I think the most important thing that I've done, and

1094
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 4: I constantly tell my female friends to do, who are

1095
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 4: designers and artists, is have the confidence.

1096
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: Of a mediocre white man. You literally just need to

1097
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: remind yourself that there is a white guy out there

1098
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: who doesn't know what the fuck he's doing getting paid

1099
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 3: more money to do what you know how to do.

1100
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: Come on, that's the truth. That's the God's honest truth.

1101
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: So what how'd you start a Black Girl Versus the World?

1102
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 2: Because you also have that Oh.

1103
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: Gosh, that is the most inactive blog that has ever

1104
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: existed on the.

1105
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: So the reason why I started it is because I

1106
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 4: needed something separate from like my Facebook, cause I don't

1107
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 4: want to constantly bombarding people with things, and I wanted

1108
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 4: to create another stream of consciousness for myself to talk

1109
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: about like blackness and my experience and it wanes and

1110
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 4: flows like sometimes because like I have like professional people

1111
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: on my Facebook, like influencers and stuff, and like they

1112
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 4: don't need to see my commentary on men and like

1113
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 4: other stuff all the time. So that's why I created

1114
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 4: that separate channel. And also because I've had so many

1115
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 4: things get reshared on Facebook, like over one hundred shares

1116
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: or like.

1117
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: You know, like reaching thousands of people.

1118
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 4: That I was like, I might as well just put

1119
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 4: this content into a blog format so that.

1120
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: It's accessible and like my thoughts are out there for people.

1121
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: And the trigger was I had a conversation with a

1122
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 4: new Facebook friend during the Women's March because I made

1123
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 4: a Facebook post where you know that white women thinking

1124
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 4: with all the math.

1125
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 3: Numbers around her face yes.

1126
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 4: It was like white women, everyone needs to come support

1127
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 4: the Women's March.

1128
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: And then it's like, black women, are you coming to

1129
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 3: the Black Lives Matter March? And then their face that's.

1130
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 4: Their response And so that went a little like people

1131
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 4: shared it and then one of my Facebook friends was

1132
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 4: like what does this even mean?

1133
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 3: Like we have to support everyone?

1134
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: And then we had a side conversation and messenger and

1135
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 4: I asked her if I could share it, and I

1136
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 4: turned it into this Google doc like what did I

1137
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: say a conversation about the white about women the Women's March?

1138
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: And I used the photo of the black women suck

1139
00:51:51,600 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 4: in the lollipop holding the signs yes and that that

1140
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 4: that essay.

1141
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: It was really long.

1142
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: It got out and like people liked it and I

1143
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 4: was like I can do this blogging thing. I need

1144
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 4: to put my ideas out there anyways, Like let me

1145
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 4: just put it together in one space for like a

1146
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 4: writing portfolio.

1147
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 2: Yeah that I mean, that's cool.

1148
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you do have to separate brands and stuff

1149
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: and then have places for things like I do that sometimes,

1150
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: Like I have a medium page that is very underutilized,

1151
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: but that sometimes that is the best place to put

1152
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: something that I've been thinking a lot about and I

1153
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: want to write about rather than just go on the

1154
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: podcasts and ramble about it.

1155
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: So it's really hard for me because like I have

1156
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 4: a children's brand, and I want to say not children's

1157
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 4: brands things, but like people will find it and I'm like.

1158
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you go into one of those VC

1159
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: meetings and I'll be.

1160
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: Like, so about this Facebook post. We have the money

1161
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: ready to go. Except I had noticed.

1162
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: What you mean all white people, right, all white people.

1163
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're bad from Facebook? First of all.

1164
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: White people, right, white people be tripping ban thirty days,

1165
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: don't come back.

1166
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. So also within the.

1167
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: Digital space, yeah, I feel like people are a little

1168
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: bit more like things have changed, Like you're from in

1169
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: my lifetime, people are a little more entitled. They consume

1170
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: people on a personal level, as well as a professional

1171
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: level at this point, Like I don't think there's as

1172
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: much separation between the idea of and you know, I

1173
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: think it's mostly because of social media. And this isn't

1174
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: saying it's good or bad. This is just a thing, right,

1175
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: it just happened. Like now I don't just know Carry

1176
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: Washington from scandal. I know Carry Washington from what she

1177
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: tweets too. I don't know Gabrielle Union just from being

1178
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: Mary Jane, but also if she's been a guest on

1179
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: a podcast, or if she tweet something or she writes

1180
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: a blog post. You know, things like the ways we

1181
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily know celebrities before, right, And I think it's

1182
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: trickled down to just everybody, Like you're a person to me,

1183
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: now you're a celebrity, Like you're like, so when you

1184
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: put out stuff like the product design for your doll

1185
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: and you get feedback, how does that like affect.

1186
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 2: Your how does that affect you personally?

1187
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: Because you know what I'm saying, Like it's one thing

1188
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: to like if Mattel put out a survey and it said,

1189
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: what do you think about these hot wheels?

1190
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: You know, good or bad?

1191
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's going to some business in

1192
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: the sky that just handles this. But but you're seeing

1193
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: the feedback from people, So how does that affect you.

1194
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give the best answer that I could possibly

1195
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 4: give to this. Okay, you can't take anything personal, and

1196
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 4: typically what companies will do when they're looking for feedback

1197
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 4: is do private research with like users. But the other

1198
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 4: thing you have to remember about the Internet is that

1199
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 4: the most negative people.

1200
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: Are the loudest.

1201
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, I know.

1202
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 4: So you know you can't listen to everybody, but you

1203
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 4: try to find the golden nuggets within.

1204
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: You know, I've always said this with podcasting, but it's

1205
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: true to everything.

1206
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: I like a little investment in my critique.

1207
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: Like I like a little investment, like you don't have

1208
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: to be chip committed, right, but like we do it

1209
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: with five star reviews on the Blackout Tips, Like I know,

1210
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: if you give me the.

1211
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 2: Five stars, you're kind of you're.

1212
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: A fan already, so so you get like, you listen

1213
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: to the show, you give me my five stars, just

1214
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: tell me I love this, that and the other, and

1215
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: you might throw in there.

1216
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: Something like now we don't agree on everything.

1217
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: And when you said this, I thought you was tripping,

1218
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, reasonable, you know, because that person normally

1219
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: doesn't come for your neck the way that someone who

1220
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: has no investment in you. They're just like, fuck you,

1221
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: I hate your face die in the fire, Like whoa,

1222
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: how am I supposed to use that to make my

1223
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: podcast better?

1224
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: You know? So?

1225
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, the negative people are often the loudest.

1226
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: I don't know how you would necessarily get yeah, yeah, how.

1227
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: Do you get?

1228
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 3: You do follow up? You know your message and you're like, hey,

1229
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: you know, thanks for the feedback. Please email us. We

1230
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 3: love to chat, you know, because because I hate this

1231
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: doll it's ugly. And then you email them.

1232
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, now what are we supposed to do

1233
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: with this?

1234
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: You don't see that, but like, we'd love to know

1235
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 3: why you think the doll's ugly? So that one, right?

1236
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1237
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, because I was reading you said that you

1238
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: have never heard no so much in your life as

1239
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: trying to do this.

1240
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 4: Oh my god, well besides dating, no way, oh another chat,

1241
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 4: another chat? All right?

1242
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: You know, I take it, my bad.

1243
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't mean I'm not trying to minim my object experience.

1244
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: I absolutely believe I'm sorry, my bad.

1245
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard a lot of nose or just a

1246
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 3: lot of I love this, and then nothing happens because

1247
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 3: people don't know what to do when you like, like,

1248
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: some people don't know what to.

1249
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 4: Do with me sometimes because it's like it's a great product,

1250
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 4: it's a great idea.

1251
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 3: They don't have the network.

1252
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 4: Or the capital at the time to help me in

1253
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 4: the way that I need help.

1254
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: I just keep it pushing. My my friends are really supportive.

1255
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: We get a lot of support online, We've get we

1256
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: get tons of press all the time. It's really great.

1257
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good for you too, though, to be real up, yeah,

1258
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: well it teachs you like one.

1259
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: Like not everyone's gonna be in your corner all the time.

1260
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: But then two, I mean.

1261
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Not to be offensive, but also fuck them niggas. Man,

1262
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: they not gonna stop you either, like you know what

1263
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's not not to you know, paint

1264
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: to not to be too mean towards people. But like, listen,

1265
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: one of the things I've learned having our business over

1266
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: this time is that the people that what they say

1267
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: that that phrase the people that matter don't mind, and

1268
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: the people that don't mind don't matter, or.

1269
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: Something like that. You know what I mean, Like, uh, like,

1270
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: in a lot of cases.

1271
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: When you're when you're dealing with people that aren't down

1272
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: or committed, but they have a lot to say they

1273
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: weren't they weren't ever gonna come around, Like it wasn't.

1274
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: Anything you could have done.

1275
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: And in a lot of cases, nothing venture, nothing gain,

1276
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: right if you don't ask, even and this is one

1277
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: of the things that mediocre white men know that many

1278
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: of us don't even asking and being told no is

1279
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: still bonus points towards your experience score, right, you know,

1280
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: walking in that room and going this is what this

1281
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: meeting is like, Like, yes, I came in unprepared and

1282
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know my shit, and I got told fuck

1283
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: off and don't come back. You know, I'm not saying

1284
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: that you would do that, but I'm saying media white

1285
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: man would. But they but they get something from that experience, right,

1286
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm not afraid to go sit at this meeting.

1287
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: I remember when we first started our business. We were

1288
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: starting like, how are I'm gonna pay ourselves? We gotta

1289
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: have payroll, we gotta I don't know how to do

1290
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: with payroll. I don't want to like like write a

1291
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: check to my North Carolina tax office every week, like

1292
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't feel confident in just doing

1293
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: that all freestyle off of my head.

1294
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: So you know, I had to have business meetings.

1295
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: With people and you know, a business meeting with a

1296
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: bank and ADP in all these places. And then they

1297
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: definitely wanted my money, right because all money spends the same.

1298
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: But I remember showing up to them like being like,

1299
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: what is this meaning gonna be?

1300
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: Like?

1301
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: Should I put on a suit? Like am I gonna?

1302
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: And I remember going no, I'm going there and shogging

1303
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: pants and a T shirt the way that I do

1304
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: my business, and like and and we'll let's just see

1305
00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: what happens.

1306
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: That was the first time in my life where I

1307
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: was just like, let's just fucking see.

1308
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: How they treat me because I'm actually the one they're courting.

1309
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: I can go get this done by other people. They don't,

1310
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't have to be them. And yeah,

1311
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: and that was kind of an eye open experience for

1312
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: me because I do feel like a mediocre white man

1313
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: would have walked in there or some dragon pants and

1314
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: been like service me. And I think that, but but

1315
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: like I said, if they would have said no, that's

1316
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: still a learning experience.

1317
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: If they would have been like, oh, this guy.

1318
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: Doesn't like he has the shit together all right, Cool,

1319
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: next time I put on some pants, thank you.

1320
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 3: I've definitely I've never stopped being myself.

1321
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 4: One of the things that I like to do when

1322
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 4: I go to meetings or go to spaces is like

1323
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 4: when in the in the startup world, in the VC world,

1324
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 4: so many people are just wearing boring blue.

1325
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 3: And black suits.

1326
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 4: I'd be showing up in like bright yellow blazers, yellow shoes, like.

1327
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 3: Stylish, I look cute. I look like a black tumbler post.

1328
01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: Like now you listen, you take some fearce uh selfies

1329
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: and photos out there like you our whole brand out

1330
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: there by yourself. Like I when I put in your

1331
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: name on Facebook. By the way, I don't know what

1332
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 1: PERV works at Facebook, but when I put in your name,

1333
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: like it doesn't just go Your name is like this,

1334
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 1: and then the next one is photos.

1335
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if a lot of people have been

1337
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: searching just looking at your pictures or what.

1338
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: But it's like y'all your listens of.

1339
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: Jeans Charles, and then you leads to gen Charles photos

1340
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: for all the people. Okay, they like, we don't for

1341
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: those who don't want the opinions. Okay, turn this into hair,

1342
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: let's turn this into Instagram. Okay, guys, I know you're

1343
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: tired of being talked about. So what about critiques from

1344
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: white people with this? Have you gotten Why don't you

1345
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: have any white dolls and stuff like that yet?

1346
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 4: Early on, we used to get that, and I would

1347
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 4: just always respond with did they stop making white dolls?

1348
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 3: Is there a shortage? I mean, obviously I would be nicer.

1349
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, I think that we're trying to

1350
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 4: make dolls for girls who don't have dolls yet.

1351
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: And you know, after we scale and grow, we be

1352
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 3: more than happy to expand to creating all different types

1353
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 3: of dolls. But let's start with the kids who need them.

1354
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, you know I can understand that. I do

1355
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: find that white people are stupid like that. It would

1356
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: be like it's reverse racism, you know, because you don't

1357
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: have any white people dolls.

1358
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're not being denied dolls.

1359
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: Right, Like did you go to the store and you

1360
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, where are the white dolls?

1361
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: Where is my daughter? Ever supposed to alert to love

1362
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: ourselfs fuck out of here.

1363
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I feel like that's we would get those

1364
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 4: questions from people who didn't necessarily understand our mission or

1365
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 4: the scale of the problem, because in their mind they're

1366
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 4: just thinking, oh, there's already brown dolls.

1367
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 3: It's like, no, what kind of brown dolls already exist?

1368
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: Think about it?

1369
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: M Yeah, And I'm just checking Facebook now, you're right,

1370
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 1: that's just at work.

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01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: So I learned something new today, guys.

1372
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: Apparently Facebook is not run by pers or maybe it is,

1373
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: and that's why everybody it's just everybody's pictures, all right.

1374
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, it's interesting because I always think white

1375
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: people have the most basic critiques of black shit. It's like,

1376
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: you're doing some black shit, what about white shit? Or

1377
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, this is how it feels to be discriminated

1378
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 1: against because your dolls, who are some of your inspirations

1379
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: to even uh, you know, to do this, to do

1380
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: the dolls.

1381
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, to do the dolls.

1382
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't necessarily have toy creator inspires. But while

1383
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 4: it's rizy, I had a lot of fine artists that

1384
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 4: I looked up to. Because people don't know this, but

1385
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 4: I was like a fine artist and like a social activist. First,

1386
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 4: like I organized demonstrations at school. I brought police artists

1387
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 4: against police violence, not police.

1388
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 3: I didn't bring police to the school.

1389
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: I'm an activist.

1390
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: But the other way, guys like I'm for police, we

1391
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: don't get a fair shake.

1392
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 3: No.

1393
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 4: I brought artists against please violence to campus, two very

1394
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 4: powerful artists in that group, and like pretty much just

1395
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 4: was trying to disrupt the school, like I was meeting

1396
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 4: with administrations.

1397
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 3: Uh you remember I am Harvard.

1398
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 4: There was that demonstration going on and we did that

1399
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 4: on our campus. We also did a video called the

1400
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 4: Room of Silence, where we talked about how whenever you

1401
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 4: make black art, nobody.

1402
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: Has anything to say. You're like, we don't know how

1403
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 3: to talk about them.

1404
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 2: And you did you had what was it? Did you do?

1405
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: Black girl versus R S D as well?

1406
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, black Girl at the Black Girl at Risdy because

1407
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 4: I was like one.

1408
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 3: It was like there were so few of us, I

1409
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 3: might as well just own it, like the black Girl.

1410
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: Like you don't want and that was so like.

1411
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: And then obviously Blue Lives at Risdy was also started

1412
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: by she liked to bring people to other guys.

1413
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 4: Okay, stuff going on my campus, but in terms of

1414
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 4: inspiration when Genchi moved to and Carol Walker were two

1415
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 4: of my biggest inspirations.

1416
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember.

1417
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 4: She did the Sugar Sphinx and it was it was

1418
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 4: either in Brooklyn and Bronx where she like took over

1419
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 4: this old Domino factory and she made a giant Mammy

1420
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,479
Speaker 4: Sphinx out of sugar and then a little black boy

1421
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 4: workers out.

1422
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 3: Of sucrose like LIQUI sure and all that stuff.

1423
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 4: She's an amazing artist. She does the whole cut out

1424
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 4: silhouettes that created to talk about race and our history

1425
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 4: and things like that.

1426
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 3: She's amazing. I love her so much. Wow.

1427
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.

1428
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what kind of tea cup would it

1429
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: take to? Holy crap, that is a lot of Oh wait,

1430
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: why is wow? This thing's got ass too? That is

1431
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: this is amazing.

1432
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 4: Yes, there's a there's a whole you know, artistic narrative behind.

1433
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: I could go in on it, but no, it's fine,

1434
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: go ahead, I don't. I'm mean I'm learning.

1435
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 4: Uh so, Carol Walker the whole point of this, I

1436
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 4: don't you know what. I'm not gonna speak for Kara Walker,

1437
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 4: but what I walked away with is like this is

1438
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 4: in your face. Yeah, this is And it's like taking

1439
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 4: over this figure that is from Africa and like using

1440
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 4: a stereotype because like the black people were used to

1441
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 4: you know, harvest the sugarcane and produce the sugar and

1442
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 4: so it's like showing the commodification of black bodies.

1443
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's she's awesome.

1444
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: This is amazing. Yeah, that's the man that's dope that

1445
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 2: And did you have.

1446
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: Uh so, so like you had inspiration as like art

1447
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: as well? Did you have any business owner inspiration stuff

1448
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: or anybody you looked into in that lane or that

1449
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: that that inspires you to be you know the business

1450
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: woman you are.

1451
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 3: The one person that I really looked into was Goldie Blocks.

1452
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 3: Are you famili with Goldieblocks?

1453
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 4: So it was this giant campaign for toys that teach

1454
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 4: girls how to you know, be engineers.

1455
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 3: Debbie Sterling, she's the CEO.

1456
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 4: She was like the first person to do a Kickstarter

1457
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 4: campaign that like went really she like I think did

1458
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 4: she make up for a million dollars? I don't remember,

1459
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 4: but yeah, she is amazing because she was the first

1460
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 4: person who, to me, took an opportunity to take to

1461
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 4: toys and use them to teach kids and like disrupting

1462
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 4: the aisle. She calls it disrupting the pink aisle. So

1463
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 4: I love her, I have her business. I should email her.

1464
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 2: How are her?

1465
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: So is that where you also got the the idea

1466
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: for healthyers to be educational?

1467
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 4: That's not the idea where I got for healthy was

1468
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 4: to be an educational product. But that's where I got

1469
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 4: the idea to utilize Kickstarter because I remember I was

1470
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 4: telling people like, oh, yeah, I'm working on this product

1471
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh cool, how are you gonna find it?

1472
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna get Kickstarter and they were like, yeah, right,

1473
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 3: Like nobody thought that I would be able to.

1474
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: Do this, right, Yeah, this is amazing what you're doing.

1475
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 4: I mean, besides like my really good friends and my

1476
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 4: mentors of course.

1477
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 1: And what about So, so, when you were at RSD,

1478
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with healthy rules just kind of your

1479
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: general presence in the world, do you feel like it's

1480
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: a balancing like for like your youth where you're like

1481
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: your youth twenty three anyway you're you know, like, do

1482
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: you feel like it's kind of like a balancing out

1483
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: for you? Because I know you said you felt like

1484
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: you distance yourself from blackness, and now here you are

1485
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: like not just even embracing it, but almost being like

1486
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: an avatar with your work and the way you live. Like,

1487
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: do you feel like it's kind of an evening out

1488
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 1: or something or adjustment maybe adjustment.

1489
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 3: I feel like, I don't know. I am black, I'm

1490
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 3: a woman, and this is everything.

1491
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 4: My work is me, So I don't feel like I'm

1492
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 4: balancing anything. The only thing I'm trying to balance is

1493
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 4: figuring out what I'm gonna do my hair in this

1494
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 4: schedule because the Lord knows I can never find the time.

1495
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 4: But no, because my product is me and my company

1496
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 4: is about stuff that I can like this, this is

1497
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 4: my passion. So I never feel like I'm trying to

1498
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 4: figure out, oh, how should I service my time.

1499
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 3: I don't really do much.

1500
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 4: I cook, I go out to karaoke sometimes. I hang

1501
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 4: out with people at home. I'm a homebody. I don't

1502
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 4: think people realize that I don't be going out like

1503
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 4: that me. Neither people think because I'm like people keep

1504
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 4: thinking I'm an introvert.

1505
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 3: I'm an extrovert and I'm really not. I just you know,

1506
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 3: I know how.

1507
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 4: To turn myself on and be you know, performing like

1508
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 4: socially for people and things like that.

1509
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 2: Same here, Same here.

1510
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: People come with a cost, Like every conversation, everything that

1511
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: people do comes with like a little you know, not

1512
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: that I don't mind paying it sometimes, but sometimes these

1513
01:09:58,880 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: motherfuckers ain't worth it, you know.

1514
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 3: Like because I'm tired, I won't go home. I think.

1515
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 4: My favorite thing about me and like how I am

1516
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 4: as a person is like if I don't want to

1517
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 4: be somewhere, I leave like that.

1518
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: Listen, Oh, don't get married, okay, because like that changes

1519
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: and it's I mean, I love my wife and it's

1520
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: totally a great she's a great person.

1521
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: But that is a definite thing.

1522
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: The rhythm of another person is so different, you know,

1523
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: because when it's just me, I don't like this that

1524
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: I am out, Like music's too loud. This is not

1525
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 1: the spot out that it would be and I'm out,

1526
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: and then uh, if it was from with Karen, it's

1527
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: like I gotta let her do her thing, you know.

1528
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 2: So uh it's a little different. But yeah, you see her.

1529
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm here.

1530
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: I'm here, all right.

1531
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: So the other thing I want to ask for we

1532
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: get off because we've had a great conversation. I really

1533
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: appreciate you spending all the time with me, but I

1534
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: know you're busy and I know you got things to do,

1535
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: So I not be remiss if I didn't mention this,

1536
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: because I do follow you on Facebook and all this stuff.

1537
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: What is up with the street harassment?

1538
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: Is it just like, uh, you're a magnet for it,

1539
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: do you? Or is it you know what I mean,

1540
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: because or it's just something you've decided to like speak

1541
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: on because I mean, one, I'm not one of those

1542
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: people that doesn't. Obviously, street harassment is real and it's

1543
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: a menace and it's scary, like I can't imagine.

1544
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 2: Having to deal with that.

1545
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: But good, Uh well, I was gonna say, but I

1546
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: notice you're also pretty proactive about talking about it. It's

1547
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: weird to say as a passion I don't know what

1548
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: the right word is, like, but it's the thing that

1549
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: keeps happening to you, and you are fed up and

1550
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: you talk about it when it happens, like and you

1551
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 1: were even saying like, I don't even leave the house

1552
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: a lot, so I'm assuming this must happen a lot.

1553
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 2: Like what like what is that? Like?

1554
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: What where is that, what is that like dealing with that?

1555
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: And what made you decide to be so vocal about it.

1556
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,959
Speaker 3: I really don't leave the hustle lot, and I only.

1557
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 4: Just realize that part of the reason why I don't

1558
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 4: is because I have to think about, like, all right,

1559
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 4: how far is this place and how many people are

1560
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 4: going to say things to me before I get to

1561
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 4: this dustination. So I don't have a passion for talking

1562
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 4: about street harassment. I just have a passion for sharing

1563
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 4: stories and things that have happened to me. And it

1564
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 4: just so happens that the street harassment that I experience is.

1565
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 3: At such a level.

1566
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 4: That I feel like this is something that I have

1567
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 4: to tell other people about. Like whenever I share street harassment,

1568
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 4: it's because it was, like, you know what, that shit

1569
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 4: was actually really fucking crazy and I can't believe that

1570
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 4: just happened to me, and I'm really upset. And it

1571
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 4: just so happens that it happens that often that there's

1572
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 4: a street the street harassment to a degree of that

1573
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 4: seriousness that I feel compelled to share because like I'm like,

1574
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 4: I'm just a simple person, Like I'm telling you, like

1575
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 4: I'm not doing shit.

1576
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: Like I just got a bun, I got a snapback on.

1577
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 3: I don't got no makeup, I don't even have my

1578
01:12:59,280 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: eyebrows on.

1579
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 4: Son my eyebrows walking down the street and somebody is

1580
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 4: yelling something.

1581
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 3: And it's also because I think.

1582
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 4: The reason why I share it is because I live

1583
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 4: in a city that's not highly populated, Like we don't

1584
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 4: have busy streets, and so it's just me and the

1585
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 4: street harasser then nobody else. So it feels so much

1586
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 4: more like when I'm on the street.

1587
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 3: It's just like it's magnified for me.

1588
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just share it because I don't think

1589
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 4: people realize how often it happens.

1590
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 3: As a black woman too. I'm sorry.

1591
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 4: One last thing I was gonna, I feel like for

1592
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 4: me because like, I have a white roommate.

1593
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 3: She never gets street harassed. Granted she got punched in

1594
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 3: the face once and had her phone stolen, but that

1595
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 3: was the.

1596
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 4: Only thing that ever happened to homegirl, you know. But

1597
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 4: I get harassed every time I go outside.

1598
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 3: And I think it has to.

1599
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 4: Do with power and about you know, exerting that power

1600
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 4: over me, because like these niggas can't do shit for me,

1601
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 4: Like the men who are street harassing me, like you

1602
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 4: can't buy me dinner, you can't pay my.

1603
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 3: Bills, like what you're trying to do, Like what you're

1604
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 3: really trying to do right now? It's just it's just because.

1605
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: They can, right and because like it's such a power game,

1606
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: because the whole smile and say hot shit, it's about power.

1607
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: Like when you see men that defended as are is

1608
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 2: why you know what I mean?

1609
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: Like I know those same black dudes are like I

1610
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: don't want LeVar Ball to say thank you to Donald Trump? Well,

1611
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: why you know what I mean? Like, why don't you

1612
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: want them to say thank you? Because the power dynamic thing?

1613
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: Right you recognize that whether it be polite or not,

1614
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: within that discourse, it becomes a completely different struggle, which

1615
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: is one of I'm telling you to do a thing

1616
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: because I'm because I have more power than you.

1617
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of a lot of.

1618
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: These interactions and I guess not even sadly, but they're

1619
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: not even about like sexual attraction.

1620
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: It's not even about.

1621
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: And in a way, especially if it's like more than

1622
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: one man, it's often about like this male camaraderie and

1623
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: performing masculinity, right, like look a look at me, I

1624
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: think this woman's attractive, because I've had men try to

1625
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: do that around me, where they'll be.

1626
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 2: Like, oh you see that bitch up man, look at all.

1627
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: That, and I'm like, okay, man, like we're human beings

1628
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: with eyeballs. Calm the fuck down, Like like, I don't

1629
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: know what you thought I thought of you before now.

1630
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: But it's almost like you're trying to impress me with

1631
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: your energy, not exactly, you know what I mean.

1632
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: It's so but yeah, but I do appreciate that you

1633
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: talk about it because I think.

1634
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 2: These are like those uh, those flights.

1635
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: That women experience all the time that they you know,

1636
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: men don't know about because women normally won't talk to

1637
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: men about it because men aren't worth talking to about

1638
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: this ship because they you know.

1639
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the other reason why I shared

1640
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 4: it is because I know I come up as like

1641
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 4: a lot of I'm a powerful, confident person, Like.

1642
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,879
Speaker 3: That's just like that's how I come up on Facebook,

1643
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 3: That's how I am in real life.

1644
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 4: But when a man like that I do not know

1645
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 4: in an open carry state, is saying shit to me

1646
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 4: on the street, I can't do nothing because I'm just

1647
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 4: trying to go home and be alive.

1648
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 2: Listen, listen.

1649
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: You know, one of the wildest things is men who

1650
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: defends to your ass. Man, If you say, well, you

1651
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: know what, guys, we know what's wrong, you agree that,

1652
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: like once they go you know what, You're right.

1653
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 2: It's intimidating and scary.

1654
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: I see how it's wrong, and you go, well, next

1655
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: time you see it happen, why don't you step over

1656
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: to the dude and be like, hey, man, don't talk

1657
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: to you know, don't do that. They'll immediately be like, man,

1658
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: that person might kill me, they might beat me up.

1659
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's the same fucking what were you

1660
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: arguing about in the first place.

1661
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 2: If you're scared of this dude, just say that.

1662
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: Like, I'd rather you say you're scared, because I can

1663
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: actually understand and kind of deal with the idea of like, oh,

1664
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: you're scared, so you don't street her ass. But that's

1665
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: also why you don't say, shit, well we can be

1666
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,839
Speaker 1: scared together. I don't know, like I understand, I understand

1667
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: the fear that's not so crazy, but the like project

1668
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: a masculinity of like women need to just take it.

1669
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: But at the same time, also I'm afraid to say

1670
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: something because they might do something to me. Well, then

1671
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: you also have to admit by extension, these men will

1672
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: will possibly not possibly in many cases have assaulted women.

1673
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 2: So yes, it's gotta be scary every time it happens,

1674
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 2: you know.

1675
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 3: So, I mean I want to take self defense classes.

1676
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 4: So if anybody wants to contribute to that fun, hit

1677
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 4: my venmo so I can beat these men up.

1678
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: Please, Yeah, get a nice taser or something come through,

1679
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Sometimes you gotta take send

1680
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: some votes to get the message across.

1681
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 4: I'm just waiting for somebody to say something to me

1682
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 4: so I can taste them and be like, who else wants?

1683
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: Who else wants? A Hollywood chord?

1684
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1685
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: Well I'll tell you what, man, I like. I am

1686
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: so impressed with you is You're is. I wanted to

1687
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: interview you for a while, but I mean, one, you're

1688
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: always busy into I'm always like slacking on this interview show.

1689
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: But I've wanted to interview you for a while, and

1690
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time out and tell people

1691
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: where they can like find you on social media and

1692
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: where they can support your work.

1693
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 4: So I am on social media on Twitter at the

1694
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 4: Yulita that's y E l I T s A. I'm

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Speaker 4: Dolls dot com and we're on Instagram and Twitter under

1699
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Speaker 4: those handles as well.

1700
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: Cool man, Is it too late for people to get

1701
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: their Christmas dolls on if they try to order now?

1702
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 3: Oh? Order order right now?

1703
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Speaker 1: All right, so order right now, guys. Listen, all right,

1704
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this. I'm gonna put this interview out

1705
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. I mean, like literally, I'm gonna

1706
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: try to get it done today and then hopefully by

1707
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 1: African American colored people from I don't know what you

1708
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: negroes call it, Okay, I don't mean to be offensive,

1709
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: but what whatever you negroes are calling it? This year,

1710
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 1: I hope you guys can sign up and get you

1711
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: some dolls, man, get you get those. Get your dolls

1712
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: for yourself and for the nieces and nephews and stuff

1713
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Speaker 1: in your life.

1714
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 4: Order two or three, you know, just put it on

1715
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Speaker 4: a shelf, you know, next to your picture of Martin

1716
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 4: Luther King and.

1717
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Speaker 1: Come on now, all right, well, thank you so much

1718
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: your ELITSA appreciate it, and like I said, we'll be

1719
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: back for another medium talk soon.

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Speaker 2: Until then, peace,