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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat, one of the best fight weeks

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Speaker 1: decent fight weekend and we're gonna get to everything. Welcome everyone,

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Speaker 1: it is time for Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm merely one half of your hosting duo. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by a washed pos all the way in the Great

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Speaker 1: White Well I want to say Great White North because

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Speaker 1: for you and plenty of fatty liver disease. It's my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the American Alpha. I'm back at it, Luke.

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Speaker 2: It's the eve, if you will, of my forty fifth birthday. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's the eve of Fulton a New A. It's the

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Speaker 2: week of Spence Crawford and BMF two point zero. I

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Speaker 2: mean what a time, Luke Thomas to be alive. So

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Speaker 2: I brought back the mk ty die the one love

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Speaker 2: Bob Marley had the official headdress of my midlife crisis, Luke,

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Speaker 2: and I am here to tell you that I am

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Speaker 2: combat lives and experiences, yours included, Luke, because you will

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Speaker 2: be on the ground in Vegas with one Ariel Helwani

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Speaker 2: and Kate Abdo, the new dream team Luke. Okay, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't know if that's quite true,

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Speaker 1: be c. So what are we going to react to?

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Speaker 1: We're going to react to UFC London which was over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. A little bit of boxing that happened as well,

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Speaker 1: the instant reaction when that's all over. Plus this weekend BC,

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Speaker 1: as you indicated UFC two ninety one, how about Bellator

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Speaker 1: versus Rising and of course the Crown Jewel. On the

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Speaker 1: boxing side, Aerol Spence Junior is fighting Terence Crawford on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: This is about as good as a combat sports week

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Speaker 2: And how about Face Full of Morning Combat not just

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Speaker 2: your regular three episodes you mentioned. I'll be going live

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Speaker 2: after Fulton a new A Tuesday morning tomorrow and not

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Speaker 2: just a live instant reaction Luke the fourth BC Live chat, right,

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Speaker 2: we could talk about all things combat this week to

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Speaker 2: local cable listings. It's an MK takeover on CBS Sports

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Speaker 2: things Spence Crawford in this from the studios. Luke Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's do this thing. And obviously we didn't not have

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Speaker 1: Yes. And also I want to remind folks it's already up.

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Speaker 2: call him haters Luke, but critical eyes in my DM saying, hey, BC,

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Speaker 2: restored all of that against ty Bura. Unfortunately Blades, who

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Speaker 2: But I think Asparnau versus the winner of gon In

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Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you how does he do

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Speaker 2: I mean? Look, there's there's that same question I said,

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Speaker 2: But how would I, you know, favor his chances very good?

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Speaker 2: what type of work cerril Gon has done now that

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Speaker 1: That was in it.

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Speaker 2: there's still a lot of questions we don't have answered

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Speaker 2: great news, great news to the future in a division

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Speaker 2: That's not quite the case an MMA. But when you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we didn't mention that, but I'm glad

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, you just said Gon can be a devastating striker.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, let's talk about John.

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Speaker 2: Let's inject him back into this conversation. That's not an

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Speaker 2: unintended Luke. There's no Pego Graham jokes in my hard five.

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Speaker 2: But here's what I want to say. I respect what

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Speaker 2: It's it's good for him to take the Stepe fight

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Speaker 2: I still think it's all rooted in the idea of leverage.

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Speaker 2: How does John increase leverage by beating Stepe in such

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Speaker 2: to come to him because they would rather have Pavlovich

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Speaker 2: or gone or I'm sorry, Pavlovich or aspinall against John.

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Speaker 2: if you can't do Francis versus John, and we can't

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Speaker 2: right now based on what's gone down, what else can

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Speaker 2: That could be stadiums. Dude, it's freaking aspinall against John

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Speaker 1: Ooh ooh man, hmmm, all right, gotta be aspinall Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: So let me go back to you on on your

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Speaker 2: not a long time, Luke, hopefully time. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Hard to know? Hard to know that. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: about like where he's at and what he wants to

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Speaker 1: prove and what he can prove. I mean, think about

427
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Speaker 1: this way. Right, he got to go in there, and

428
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he had a tough training camp, but he

429
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: beats Cyril Gone quickly with virtually no resistance. I mean

430
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Speaker 1: that's almost true, right, he beats Zyril Gone with virtually

431
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Speaker 1: no resistance. It's kind of crazy to think about. Okay,

432
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Speaker 1: Let's say he goes in there and he beats Steepe

433
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Speaker 1: and now gets to say I beat their the best

434
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Speaker 1: UFC heavyweight of all time, even though we both know

435
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Speaker 1: STEVEE is forty one, You're not beating like a thirty

436
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Speaker 1: four year old Steepe, which would be I think a

437
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Speaker 1: very different equation. Like the name value of that, the

438
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Speaker 1: resume value of that is very very high. Now we

439
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: both know that. If you then follow that up with

440
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: a Tom aspinall, well, holy shit, dude, that means you

441
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 1: did take on someone aside from the like lopsided gone,

442
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 1: who was a real sturdy challenge, and then you beat

443
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: him like that is very That is a very legitimate

444
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 1: win if he was able to get it. But a

445
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: lot of people won't necessarily know that. I don't know

446
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Speaker 1: that he needs to do that. If you get to

447
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Speaker 1: go and say I got the title and I got

448
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Speaker 1: to beat the greatest heavyweight in terms of resumes anyway,

449
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: and Steve Amyochich, what more do you really have to

450
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Speaker 1: do at that point? Convincing the audience, not you and me,

451
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Speaker 1: but convincing the audience.

452
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Speaker 2: I think it comes down to John's motivation. So we've

453
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Speaker 2: got to play dimechair psychologist here and try to figure

454
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Speaker 2: out what is John's real motivation. I do believe John

455
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 2: has made a shit ton of money at the highest level.

456
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: Not as much as he deserved, but a shit ton

457
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Speaker 2: of money, and we'll continue the steepe fight. Will be

458
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 2: very handsome for him if it's only about money, Like,

459
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Speaker 2: is it all only about money? Is it more about glory?

460
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Speaker 2: If it's more about glory and the preservation of a resume,

461
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Speaker 2: could I see him walking away at MSG and just saying,

462
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Speaker 2: f the next generation. I did what I was supposed

463
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Speaker 2: to do, and I showed you guys. Okay. But here's

464
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Speaker 2: the deal. You can dislike John, and we've all gone

465
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Speaker 2: through waves of this based on his public persona and

466
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Speaker 2: activity outside of the cage, and you'd be justified in

467
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Speaker 2: doing so. But the thing that I think helps like

468
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Speaker 2: the audience wants John Jones to be great. We want

469
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Speaker 2: the potential best of our era in any sport to

470
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Speaker 2: max out that potential and show us how great they

471
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Speaker 2: can be. It makes us as observers feel like we

472
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Speaker 2: were a part of something. Does John want that? At

473
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Speaker 2: the same time, I have to believe, Luke, that the

474
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Speaker 2: reason that we are so quickly to welcome John back

475
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Speaker 2: in a lot of times despite those missteps, is that

476
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Speaker 2: his intangibles, in my opinion, are always sound, meaning he's

477
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Speaker 2: always willing to match himself against the best. I don't

478
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Speaker 2: look at this as a guy who's actively tried to

479
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Speaker 2: avoid things. He knows he's the best. He's a competitor.

480
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: He wants to test that. He wants the flowers that

481
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Speaker 2: come with proving that he's the best. I have to

482
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Speaker 2: believe he has loved this victory lap and how quickly

483
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: that God fight went, and that it just looked like

484
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: full domination and John Jones returns just as Francis exits.

485
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: Now John's the hero again. I have to believe, Luke

486
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Speaker 2: deep inside that he loves that. But I also think

487
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Speaker 2: he's a businessman that's largely motivated by that. Aspinall to

488
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Speaker 2: me represents the ticket for John to get the kind

489
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Speaker 2: of money that he you know, short of the Francis fight,

490
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Speaker 2: which we're not getting at Raiders Stadium in Vegas, which

491
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Speaker 2: we should have and they had three years to make it.

492
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Speaker 2: You get my point, Aspinall in a stadium in the UK.

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Speaker 2: What if the UFC is like, hey, John, we'll give

494
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Speaker 2: you ten million to fight Aspinall. Do they not have

495
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Speaker 2: that money, Luke? I think they have that money.

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Speaker 1: I think John Jones would do that.

497
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Speaker 2: I think John Jones would do that because I think

498
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Speaker 2: he's equally a businessman, but he's also a competitor and

499
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Speaker 2: he doesn't want people throwing around. You walked away while

500
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Speaker 2: you still had it, and I mean people hate on

501
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Speaker 2: the step a thing. Dude, you gotta wake up.

502
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Speaker 3: This is what we do.

503
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Speaker 2: Do you remember when Vladimir klitsch were like kind of

504
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: retired softly after losing to Tyson Fury in twenty fifteen,

505
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 2: but he came back two years later and tested himself

506
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: against Anthony Joshua and damn near won back the title

507
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: in a heroic performance. That's what the Steepey fight is.

508
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: But if John beats Stepe as easily as y'all believing

509
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Speaker 2: he will, and I think it'll be a tougher fight

510
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Speaker 2: than most people do. Still think John the competitor will

511
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: shine through, especially if they make it worth it to him.

512
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Speaker 2: Is ten million enough straight up for him? I have

513
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Speaker 2: to believe, Yes, Luke, It's a great payday to go

514
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Speaker 2: in there against the guy you'd probably still be the

515
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: betting favorite against if you beat Steepe. We're gonna see

516
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: this fight, Luke. In the UK in a soccer stadium,

517
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Speaker 2: maybe you and I can do a live show outside beforehand.

518
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Speaker 1: I just feel like you're you're talking about possibilities that

519
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: we could do without really considering whether the UFC wants

520
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Speaker 1: to do that. Does the UFC want to do that?

521
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Speaker 1: Put it on a soccer stadium that will require them

522
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Speaker 1: to do pay per view either in the afternoon, which

523
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Speaker 1: they might which they could, or they have to use

524
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Speaker 1: Henderson and Bisbay, which is like four in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is there an in between, Luke? Is there an

526
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: in between that could please both where it goes on

527
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Speaker 2: on the East Coast at like seven or eight pm, Luke,

528
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Speaker 2: as opposed to midnight Eastern.

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Speaker 1: No, they're not going to do that. They're not gonna

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Speaker 1: It would take an extraordinary measure to do something like that.

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Speaker 1: That's a great cube.

532
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: Why couldn't you meet in the middle. I'm not saying

533
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: the UK has to watch that fight live at four am,

534
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: But can the UK watch that fight live at midnight?

535
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Speaker 1: Luke?

536
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Speaker 2: Can they?

537
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's just the UFC is not going to do

538
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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I don't know what the UFC is

539
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: not going to do or what they are going to do,

540
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: but if we're judging by what they have done and

541
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Speaker 1: what they've told us that that really matters to them.

542
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Speaker 1: Like I remember, for example, you guys have been noting

543
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Speaker 1: you might remember this BC, but I mean, I forget

544
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Speaker 1: how long ago. This was, maybe maybe eight or so

545
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Speaker 1: years ago. Someone can correct the date. But they briefly

546
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Speaker 1: flirted and did pay per view start times at they

547
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Speaker 1: moved them back from ten pm to nine pm, and

548
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: they wanted to see what that would do for their business.

549
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Speaker 1: And then they quickly were like, yeah, fuck that, We're

550
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Speaker 1: not doing that, Like, we don't want to do that

551
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: very much. Creatures of habit. They feel like they really

552
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Speaker 1: understand their audience and their dynamic and whatnot. So is

553
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Speaker 1: it possible. Of course, it's possible, like there are and

554
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: also like in the world where they or not as

555
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Speaker 1: dependent on pay per view revenue as they once were,

556
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: it does they want to? They just haven't done that yet.

557
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: They haven't done Look here's the deal. They've shifted their

558
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: priorities financially above away from necessarily trying to max out

559
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: pay per views to just trying to fill content right,

560
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: and within that, what are they doing to max out

561
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: their profits so they can pay off all this debt

562
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: from buying everybody else. They have put in the highest

563
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Speaker 2: ticket prices we've known to see. They're selling names in

564
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Speaker 2: the center of the ocanom and they're doing everything in

565
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Speaker 2: that regard. They're putting people back in their hometowns more

566
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Speaker 2: often to drive up interest. Here's the deal, Luke about

567
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: the UK compared to the States from a boxing standpoint,

568
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Speaker 2: they do monster pay per view numbers out there comparatively

569
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Speaker 2: the US at times because they offer a cheaper pay

570
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Speaker 2: per view. There's been the working theory that it's easier

571
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Speaker 2: to fill a UK soccer stadium for a big Anthony

572
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: Joshua boxing fight then it would be in the States

573
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Speaker 2: because they charge lower ticket prices. In general, it's the

574
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: culture over there. What if the UFC does what they've

575
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 2: been doing lately, which is saying, if your culture, we're

576
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: bringing our circus to your town and we are gonna

577
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: basically charge Las Vegas boxing prices and jack everything up,

578
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: and we're gonna make you need to get in the

579
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: stadium for Jones versus aspinall. Look, if they're willing to

580
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: put on huge pay per views in the afternoon from

581
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: Abu Dhabi, which they have been willing, I don't see

582
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: that as necessarily a problem even for a fight this

583
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: big of doing that in the UK, because again, they're

584
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: not going out of their way. That the old school

585
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: UFC press touring machine of you know McGregor versus all

586
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: though press tours and multiple continents, that's not around anymore.

587
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: What they are now is trying to maximize other revenue. Okay,

588
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 2: just raise the ticket prices for a full ass stadium, Luke,

589
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: They'll get what they need right there.

590
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: That's it, all right, I listen, I would love to

591
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: see it. I don't know, well, I guess he's so.

592
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: He's Liverpool, right, so that would be they could well,

593
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: they could do one Liverpool. That would be kind of

594
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: huge to be in the soccer stadium in Liverpool. But nevertheless,

595
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't think they will do that. I don't even

596
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: think John's gonna fight him. But boy would I love

597
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: to be wrong in either direction.

598
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: Okay, But if you're saying John wouldn't fight him, Luke,

599
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: and this is this question to you, is dependent upon

600
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: him beating Stepe without getting like hurt or you know,

601
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: close to finish or whatever. This is what I just

602
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: brought up before about John's and tangibles like in a

603
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: fight outside of a cage. He's a wild card. In

604
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: the cage. He shows you a backbone, he shows you

605
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: a huge chant. He'll fight the best, He'll do what

606
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: he has to do. He's a killer in there. What

607
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: about his makeup? Are you doubting in regards to him

608
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: being willing to want the smoke of Aspinall and the

609
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: money and the fanfare and the risk that comes with us.

610
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: You're telling me John would pack his shit up and

611
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: go bye, guys, I'm gonna go no, dude, No, he

612
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't John.

613
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: It's not John. I think it's like fifty five forty

614
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: five or something right where there's this there's a very

615
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: respectable chance he could continue, but all of it could

616
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: go up and smoke. Like I mean, if you're the

617
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: guy who came in after three years off, you beat gone,

618
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: and then it were positing a world where he beats

619
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Speaker 1: Steepe like, I'm not saying that there's no ways to

620
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: add to your resume. We've been talking about how meaningful

621
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: it would be to beat Aspenall, if that's what it

622
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: would come to, but also losing to Aspenall just undoes

623
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: the entire point of those last two fights. It just

624
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: undoes everything. Why would you do that if you don't

625
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: need to, Why wouldn't you retire undefeated, call it a day.

626
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: You are a champion in two way classes and many

627
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: will already regard you as the best to ever do it.

628
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: Beating Aspinall doesn't like make that more true, but losing

629
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: to him makes it a lot less true. And for

630
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: those reasons, I don't think he's gonna do it. I mean, again,

631
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong.

632
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: But Okay, I get the reasoning of what you're saying.

633
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: But if John Jones beat Gone and Steepe back to back,

634
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: became two division champions, cemented his goat status, and then

635
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: he fought this rising young guy who looks like to

636
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: be the future, and if he lost, he's still my goat.

637
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: Stay Luke, Yeah for you, But I mean I think

638
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: John wants to retire, not undefeated, because obviously he lost

639
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: to Matt Hamill, and I think that Dominic Rays beat

640
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: him pretty cleanly, but oh not pretty cleanly.

641
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Speaker 2: It was a close fight. Don't do that.

642
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: Don't do the first three rounds are Ray's rounds. I mean,

643
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's not much debate about that in my mind,

644
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: but neither here nor there. The point being is I

645
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: think he wants to retire with this sort of sense

646
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 1: of being undefeated. And you know what I'm talking about, right,

647
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: no one ever really beat him in that kind of way,

648
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: losing to aspall and like, imagine you got like finished,

649
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: to imagine you got knocked out or something like what.

650
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: That would destroy this entire thing you've been building for

651
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: all this time.

652
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't, it really wouldn't. It really wouldn't, Luke. Kat's

653
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: already out of the bag. There's a yell on the record.

654
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: I get it's not real, but he's got a loss

655
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: on his record. It's already there.

656
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I understand.

657
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: Listen, it comes down to this, if I'll put it

658
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: that way, if they pay him enough, he will be there.

659
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: And you know it, Luke, because that's what John.

660
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: John doesn't have to like that is true, that is true, like.

661
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: You at all. But you have to respect him.

662
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: Of course, respect him. I've always respected him as a fighter.

663
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: That's never been really an issue. But listen, if the

664
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: UC comes up off them pockets, anything is possible then

665
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: But we're I'm just trying to operate in a world

666
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: where they're just kind of gonna do what they've been doing,

667
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: which is obviously important, but not like bank breaking kind

668
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: of thing. All right, we see, let's continue here topic

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00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: number two. We stayed with UFC London BC. How about

670
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: Paul Craig. Wow, what a debut for him at middleweight.

671
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: He gets the stoppage over Andre McNeice. So I want

672
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: to ask you a couple of questions about this. So one,

673
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Speaker 1: how do you think he looked at the weight? That's

674
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: number one? And then number two. Craig then asked for

675
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: a fight with bow Nickel. Do you like that idea?

676
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: Start with the first one first.

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00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: Please, dude. You know I picked against him Luke in

678
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: terms of largely in terms of how we were setting up. Okay,

679
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: bet I was nervous about him moving down in Wade.

680
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: He was facing a finisher, right and then when he

681
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: comes out, let's fucking go Scotland with the colored face

682
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: as you expect, and just you know, look that stared

683
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: down during the introductions was intense. I thought he was

684
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: setting him up for the slaughter. No, physically he looked great.

685
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: He brought the fight to me, knees. He was aggressive

686
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: in Key spots, including at the end he turned things around,

687
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: got to full mountain, got the stoppage. Dude, this is

688
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: absolutely it was a power move. Cut it. Moving down

689
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: in wait in your mid thirties is usually seen as desperation.

690
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: I didn't see aa lapse in punch resistance. I didn't

691
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: see a lapse in cardio. I saw him kind of

692
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: get into a little bit of a crazy fight, but

693
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: hold his head above water and look great, looke. If

694
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: he can show up and make this weight consistently, he's

695
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: big for this division. We know what he can do

696
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: on the ground, and he seems to have slightly refined

697
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: his striking a little bit more like he's making strides

698
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: in that category. This is a monster breakthrough win. I

699
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: mean his dms must be so fricking sloppy this weekend loud?

700
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: How great was well? Was him getting back to the

701
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: locker room picking up his cell phone?

702
00:32:59,480 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: I mean.

703
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: It must be incredible. But does he look like a

704
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: credible middleweight? Yes, that's a man performance that he just

705
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: put out there. There was no fluke in it. He

706
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: went out and met me and he's right in the

707
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: center during the damn introductions and then was right there

708
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: when the fight started. This may be a genius move

709
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: for him. If this first fight is any indication, I'm

710
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: fired up. But Luke, I didn't even hear that bow

711
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: Nickel call out. Call out. I must have ran to

712
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: the restroom right after that fight and missed. I saw

713
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: part of that interview. That's wild that I love that.

714
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: I love that call out. I love it well.

715
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: The theory in his mind is that he could cancel

716
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: what makes Bow great, or if not cancel, at least

717
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: look Paul Craig's very comfortable fighting off his back and

718
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: can be a submission threat. But that's like, I not

719
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: only want all the smoke. Can you bring over the

720
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: weed gun and I'll sit in my car and you

721
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: can fill it up and I'll just bake care for

722
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: a half hour. I mean, Luke, he wants it all

723
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: right now. He wants to go after the favored sun.

724
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: That's ball a shit. Do you think that he has

725
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: the game to neutralize and then begin to expose whatever

726
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: of bon Nichol's game isn't finished, because how could it

727
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: be when he's making such quick transition to the elite level.

728
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean, let me start with the first part of

729
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: this question that I asked you, which was how did

730
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: he look? Dude? He looked great. Now. A lot of times,

731
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: I think, rightly, you and I and really everyone is

732
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: pretty skeptical when people go down in waight versus up

733
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: for all the reasons that we know, punch resistance, what

734
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: the weight cut does, and then blah blah blah blah blah. Right,

735
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: is this really the appropriate place for them? Speed differences

736
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: like we saw with Patricio Pitbull and Sergio Pettis. Okay,

737
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: I didn't really see any of that. Now Moonies appears

738
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: to like he like surged to an interesting place and

739
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: has kind of crumbled a little bit in his last

740
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: couple of fights, but nevertheless he's a big, strong middleweight

741
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: as well. I thought Craig looked like one of the

742
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: better versions of Craig I've frankly ever seen before. I mean,

743
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: he looked athletic, he looked strong, he didn't look diminished,

744
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: he didn't look unsure of himself, none of those things.

745
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: He looked utterly confident like he always kind of does,

746
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: but then had the physicality to bring it. And again,

747
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: as physical as Andre Moonize is, he's probably not going

748
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: to be as physical as a guy like Johnny Walker.

749
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: So you know, we talk about guys going down on

750
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: weight and it doesn't really work, but it can work

751
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: if you've been in a weight class that's wrong for you.

752
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: One of the clearest examples of this, of course, is

753
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: fellow middleweight Jared Kennaneer, who went from heavyweight to light

754
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: heavyweight and then found really his true calling down at middleweight. Now,

755
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: the difference is at this point Paul Craig, thirty five

756
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: years of age, doesn't have a ton of time left

757
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: necessarily at the top. But again for this fight, he

758
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: looked tremendous. So now it gets to the point about

759
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: the bon Nickel call out BC. I gotta tell you,

760
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: I love this fight. I don't know what exactly makes

761
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: sense for bon Nickel. Candidly, he's running through these guys

762
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: that they put in front of him that don't really

763
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: tell us a whole lot one way or the other

764
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: from what we have seen. Obviously, bon Nickel is an

765
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: incredible talent. But I like this fight one because you

766
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: have a guy in who is highly experienced and against

767
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: much bigger foes. Right, bon Nicol is a good sized athlete,

768
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: but he's not a huge middleweight, and this is a

769
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: guy who fought at two o five. Moreover, you've got

770
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: a guy in Craig who is going to be all

771
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: too happy to go to the ground, has an excellent guard,

772
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: and I think overall what you saw here was really

773
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: good jiu jitsu, getting the head pinch reversal, moving to

774
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: basically mount a three quartermount, and getting some of those elbows.

775
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean, this was a really good performance from him.

776
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: What does Paul Craig do in terms of testing bo Nickel,

777
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't exactly know, but I like the fact that

778
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: he's big for this way class as you indicated. I

779
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: like the fact that he looked very technical and fresh.

780
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: I like the fact that he's experienced, and I like

781
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: the fact that he is all too willing to accommodate

782
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: bow on the ground. Give me bo Nickel versus bear

783
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: Jew tomorrow, I'll be there.

784
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: I mean, what we're looking out of bon Nickel and

785
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: as he rises quickly here is somebody, well, not too

786
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: different from what we're talking about aspinall, somebody to push him,

787
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: somebody to push him away from his a game that

788
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: he brings in and just finishes people right away and

789
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: again and show us if there are holes in that game. Yeah,

790
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: I wonder if Paul Craig is that guy, Luke, I mean,

791
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: do you think Paul Craig is gonna get swallowed up

792
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: in the in the Bonnickels striking like that last minute

793
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: replacement guy did what was his name, Luke Woodward Bernstein?

794
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: What happened? Woodburn? Val?

795
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: I don't know why my brain can't can't put vel Woodburn.

796
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: Probably because you were thinking about deep throat, but you know, yeah, wow, wow,

797
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: what do you want me to say? That's who they

798
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: were talking to.

799
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: So Luke, do you think though, on the flip side,

800
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: I mean, Paul Craig's not going to succumb to bon

801
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: Nichols advanced scrappling in submission skills like that, like some

802
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: of these dw CS level fighters have, right of course

803
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: not so Yeah, this is this is great matchmaking. And

804
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: you know Paul knows too that he's got to make

805
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: a splash in this division. Well, he just made a

806
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: big slash from London on Saturday. This is the best

807
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: way to make a Splash's the best way to cut

808
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: the line, right. This is like what we used to

809
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: tell people. You like, you want to make noise, call

810
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: out homsid call out the favorite son and go after it.

811
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 2: This is what you do, Luke. Why everybody's calling Patty

812
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: out lately?

813
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm by the way, who was that one guy, the

814
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: slugg or not? He has his call out? He had

815
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: the call out of Patty and then when the boy

816
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: the crowd went mild, did they not? The crowd went mild?

817
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: But I like this call at that point too. As

818
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: I mentioned, thirty five years of age. Dude, if you're

819
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: gonna go to middleweight and you're gonna like because I

820
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: think Paul Craig knows the chances of getting a title

821
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: at two o five. There is obviously some uncertainty there,

822
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: but that's a lot that's gonna be a lot harder

823
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: of a slog At one eighty five, it's certainly no

824
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: walk in the park. But at thirty five years of age,

825
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: that's at least something he can say is doable, that's

826
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: in front of him, that is that's capable of right,

827
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: So what better way to make a name than take

828
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: this guy, who, by the way, can't get an opponent

829
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: who can last with him over a few minutes, who's

830
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: got all this hype in the world, who is the

831
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: next golden child and try and take some of that

832
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: thunder from him. Dude, sign me up for that fight,

833
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Love that contest, love everything about it.

834
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: Now should we for as? I mean for as for as?

835
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: Just look our guy, Paul Craig is a real man, Luke.

836
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 2: I mean, he's full man, but he's going he's going

837
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: a little bald on top. I don't know if you

838
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: notice that.

839
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to don't well, I don't let he

840
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: who is without sin cast the first time.

841
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what I mean. I'm I'm Jawn just

842
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: as ship am I talking Luke? Okay, but you know

843
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: what do you think now he can do to counteract that?

844
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: Does he do the lebron thing? Does he start just

845
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: keeping the hair really short and tight? Does he go

846
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: full bald head? Does he wear a hat in the

847
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: acting on Luke?

848
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: How do you if you're that you just kind of listen.

849
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: It's like, I go gray, I'm forty three, great, I

850
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: look grayer than most people's grandparents. Like you know, I

851
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: just you just gotta let it rock. Here's what I

852
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: will say. I hear that the hair replacement services in

853
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: Turkey are astoundingly good. That's always one option and then

854
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: here's the thing you sleep on BC. Whatever he lacks

855
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, balding on top do that beard?

856
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: That beard is ye magnificent. I mean, I think is

857
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: a work of art.

858
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: If you're sitting here wondering how does Paul Craig make

859
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: that beard that perfect? I advise you to tune into

860
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: Have you seen this shit in about uh in about

861
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 2: an hour?

862
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, all right, very good. I look forward to that.

863
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: I look forward to that.

864
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

865
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: Right.

866
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: With that in mind, BC, let's go to topic number three.

867
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: We'll stay one more time with UFC London, namely, choice

868
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: is yours? Give me anybody that stood out for reasons

869
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: good or bad from UFC London. BC.

870
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, this is a disastrous loss for me, Paul

871
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: Molly at age thirty three. Here it's only two consecutive

872
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: defeats with the pancaking against Aaron Blanchfield. But let's recap

873
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: here separate from how good Julia Stoli Rienko looked and

874
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: the fact that she's my Lithuanian cistern, Luke, and the

875
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: fact that she Stolyi Rico cut down to one twenty

876
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 2: five for this for the first time, and it actually

877
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: looks like this is the right division for her. Separate

878
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: from that, Julia came in with four losses in her

879
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: last five fights. Luke the names that beat her, we're

880
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: not world beaters across the board, you know what I'm saying.

881
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: Chelsea Chandler just finished her and she came in and

882
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: after some early feeling out, it was over look, this

883
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: is a really bad loss for me, Paul Molly, And

884
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 2: you know, I've never been a Monster fan, and it's

885
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: not me hating on her necessarily for no reason. It's

886
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: not me saying, oh, you know, look those two big breakout,

887
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: knockout wins that Molly. I mean, they're perfect timing, signed

888
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 2: by barstool Patty sidekick it was, and then she delivers

889
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: with two like insane highlight reel finishes that you just

890
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: don't see on the women's level. So I'm not saying

891
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: Molly McCann doesn't deserve to be in this cage or whatever,

892
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: but I did think that she took the ball and

893
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: ran with it during that stretch from a look at me, everybody,

894
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm running around the cage with a wig on and

895
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: some Howler head in my hand, and I'm like the

896
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: official mascot of the UFC. That's where I started to

897
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: get a little bit of issue, Like before you assume

898
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: that role kind of have to be like Connor McGregor, right,

899
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: or Patty Pimlet or somebody like that. Well, Luke, this

900
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: was a a very you know, humbling come back down

901
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: to earth of where her stock really is at as

902
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: a fighter, because Storly Rinco could not have come into

903
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: this with more desperation. Four losses in five fights and

904
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: she was moving down in wait and she absolutely just

905
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: schooled Molly and got the tap And it's a big

906
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: win for Stily Rinco to probably retain job security and

907
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: maybe figure out a new path here at one twenty five.

908
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: But with that said, Luke, this could not have been

909
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: more of a showcase in London basically Cole Maine events

910
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: set up for Molly. Yikes, Luke, does she rebound from this?

911
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: How does she rebound from this? Because you really can't

912
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: go from a matchmaking standpoint anymore in the other direction

913
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: unless you start setting up the type of fighters that

914
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: Molly kind of made her name off of to get

915
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: to this point. She's kind of past that herself. Yeah,

916
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: I mean, look, is there a silver lining on the

917
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: cloud here. Sometimes you just get got and she got

918
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: got here in that arm bar.

919
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: So here's what I would say. It is entirely possible that,

920
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: like there was just a momentary lapse in judgment, and

921
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: that can happen, right, Like you know when fighters say

922
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: it's not who was necessarily better, but who was better

923
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: on that night? You know, I'm open to that argument.

924
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty fair. Which isn't to say if

925
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: they rematch, she would win guarantee, that's not my point,

926
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: but rather like, you know, could she have had an

927
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: off night? That's part of it too. I will say this,

928
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Stilia Erenko, I didn't know this was a Hodre Gracie

929
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: black belt, Like dude, Haddre Gracie doesn't hand them things

930
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: out like you got to earn that. Pretty impressive that

931
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: she was able to get one of those So tells

932
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: you a lot about her actual ability in some of

933
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: those moments. And she's gonna have a level of ground

934
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: refinement as a consequence despite many of her other shortcomings.

935
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: Potentially that's gonna make her a hard person to beat

936
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: for Molly in those circumstances. But I mean, I think

937
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: it's also just sort of coming to terms with like, yes,

938
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: she's a popular attraction in England for good reasons. The

939
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: fans seem to love her. I don't think necessarily that's

940
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: all gonna change, But you have to just be honest

941
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: about potentially the level that she's at Patty. The jury

942
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: is still to an extent out and I think we'll

943
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: get a better answer about that probably the end of

944
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: this year, fully in twenty twenty four. But you know,

945
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: you just kind of have to match her where she's

946
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: at BC and if she can maintain a roster spot, great,

947
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: If she can't, then that's the reality too. So yeah,

948
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a grand vision for her,

949
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: and I suspect after a loss like this, I don't

950
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: know if the UFC does either.

951
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm I mean, they won't cut her, Luke,

952
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: it's two losses.

953
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: Right, No, they won't cut her none.

954
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: Only she was over ahead against Blanchefield and maybe they

955
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: knew that and they were setting her up to give

956
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: Blanchefield the rob and it happened right that Blanchfield was

957
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: made in some ways by that fight, until she came

958
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: out against even better competition and did it even easier

959
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: and that's why she's on, you know, knocking on the

960
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: door of a title shot herself. But yeah, man, if

961
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: there was air left in the Molly hype balloon. Unfortunately,

962
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: Luca did just get popped.

963
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did get popped. I mean, like I said,

964
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: you just have to match her where she's at, bro,

965
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: You just have to match her, not where her popularity is,

966
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: not where people want her to be, now where people

967
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: have an affectionate feelings for her, where she at. Like,

968
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: that was a bad loss, to your point, and I

969
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: recognize it, and time to go back to the draw

970
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: board for me, probably.

971
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: Quickly before you get into yours. I did what like,

972
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: because people get on us sometimes when we oh, these

973
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: guys always talk shoot about the fight, fights before the fight,

974
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: wait until after to see the quality. And I always say, okay,

975
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: that's that's fine to have that opinion. But that's sort

976
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: of part of our job is to look at the

977
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: way a fight was booked ahead of time and say,

978
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: you know, is this good enough matchmaking for this level

979
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: or this spot. This is another big close up in London,

980
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: and it wasn't an amazing card on paper, although there

981
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: were certain storylines and fighters that we were excited about

982
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: what if we're following that rule set though from the

983
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: people that think we're too harsh on the UFC, do

984
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: you have a grade for how this fight card performed

985
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 2: now afterwards when you look back, Because it was kind

986
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: of hard that afternoon to keep myself, you know, as

987
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: dialed into this luke as it was. It felt a

988
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: little regional A lot it did.

989
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to watch the whole thing live. I

990
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: was able to watch through I think the Alvarez fight. No,

991
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: I watched through the right up until the Paul craigfi

992
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: live and then I had to catch the rest of

993
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: it after the fact. That's actually when it kind of

994
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: started to get a little bit better. Yeah, this card

995
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: was not a lot of fun. I mean the list

996
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: that the argument that people make is like, well, you

997
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: don't know if the card is going to be good

998
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: until it's over. It's like, well, that's true, and it's

999
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: not right. So it is not true in the sense that, yes,

1000
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: could something happen during the event in all of these

1001
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: fights that that you didn't expect because Mma is crazy

1002
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: and maybe you didn't really do enough due diligence on

1003
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: a particular fight turns out that it's better than you

1004
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: thought and you actually end up getting a pretty fun

1005
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: event in the end. Yes, of course that is always

1006
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: on the table. Mma is crazy for that reason. That's

1007
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: why people like MMA. However, you got to understand something.

1008
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: The argument that you should you know, you can't tell

1009
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: that the fights are good or bad until they're over.

1010
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: This is what a promoter says to get you to watch,

1011
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: whether there's quality or not. Right, so like just as

1012
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 1: a basic argument, it comes from promoters who are trying

1013
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: to get you to watch whether or not they've done

1014
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: a good job or not. Not necessarily to say that's

1015
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: the case here or it isn't, But that's just what

1016
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: is used in the industry more generally. Number one, number two.

1017
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: If you've got people that aren't ranked, that's not to

1018
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: say that the ranked fights are always good, and then

1019
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: the unranked fights aren't, particularly in stack divisions like bansamweight.

1020
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: But in general, the very best MMA is going to

1021
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: be closer to the top, and then in general, the

1022
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: further you get from that, the less remarkable it will be.

1023
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: This is a clear example of that. This is a

1024
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: clear example that when you get to like middle of

1025
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: the pack, UFC some people may advance past that, some

1026
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: people won't. It's not necessarily all that dynamic. It's not

1027
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: necessarily all that interesting all the time. Now, I do

1028
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: think there were a couple of gems on this, Paul

1029
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: Craig obviously what happened between Molly Mchannis, Liliorenco and then

1030
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: Tom aspinall had a great win as well. It's not

1031
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, not all is lost. But these arguments like, oh,

1032
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: you don't know until it's over, It's like, no, you

1033
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: don't know until it's over. I have a pretty good

1034
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: ability to like know what is and isn't worth my

1035
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: time based on what they're serving up and what we

1036
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: look at ahead of time. Happy to be wrong, which

1037
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: happens a few times, you know, every so often, but

1038
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: in general you can it's it's not a reliable method.

1039
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: Now let me say this BC for me, the ones

1040
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: that I liked, Joel Alvarez did get a win Markja Casey,

1041
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: but with that head butt, it's really hard to know

1042
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: how legit it was. I mean, Alvarez was doing well

1043
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: on the feet and then getting controlled on the ground,

1044
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: but there was a sequence before really unfortunate for Mark

1045
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: Gia Casey, I'm surprised he didn't go to the takedown earlier,

1046
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: but neither here nor there an unfortunate result for him

1047
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: in a fight that Alvarez did look good at times.

1048
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: But there's always gonna be a bit of an asterisk

1049
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: on this by virtue of how it went. The thing

1050
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: that I did want to say was I thought that

1051
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: Nathaniel would Andre Feely fight was great, good back and

1052
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: forth action. I know there is some dispute over some

1053
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: of the scorecards. I think andre Feely thought he won.

1054
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: I thought would one pretty cleanly in the end, but

1055
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: great back and forth. Wood was a guy at one

1056
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: thirty five who did not quite pen out the way

1057
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: we thought, moved it to one forty five, and I

1058
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: think in general has looked pretty good. So congrats to him.

1059
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: Glad to see this fight. Tough fight. Pheeley showed up

1060
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: to compete and this one I did really enjoy. Great fight.

1061
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: I want to mention because the future is female, Luke.

1062
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: This was a good win for Kaitlyn. Vieira wasn't spectacular

1063
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: against pani Keanzad, but considering the wide open nature of

1064
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: the banaweight division right now, Vieera came out and proved

1065
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: she's the better fighter. Did a lot of sort of

1066
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to say lay and prey, but controlled

1067
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: on the ground and controlled the action about while remaining

1068
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: a threat. If Panny had pushed her, but she didn't,

1069
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: she gets to win. And Luke, we do have to

1070
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: mention this women's strawweight about. It was a big win

1071
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: for newcomer Bruno Brazil, but this was more about Shauna Bannon,

1072
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: the Irish SPG product who it was a long time

1073
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: teammate of Connor McGregor and got the big sort of

1074
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: you know, recommendation from Connor heading in that another big

1075
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: Irish fighter was coming. Unfortunately, Luke, she looked very human

1076
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: in a decision loss thirty twenty seven and two twenty nine,

1077
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: twenty eights. I don't know if you caught Luke the

1078
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: Shauna Bannon fight, but there was a decent amount of

1079
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: hype coming in and I didn't see it. I didn't

1080
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: see it, did you?

1081
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: No? Not necessarily. I mean, but here's the thing. Did

1082
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: she have five fights going into this contest? Five fights?

1083
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: It's not a lot, man, that's just I mean, listen,

1084
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: if you're Nickel, it's plenty. But if you're not, that's

1085
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: just not very much.

1086
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: And she wasn't dangerous enough in there, Luke and I

1087
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: thought Bruna Brazil, who you don't have to check to

1088
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: see what her future looks like. But she looked like

1089
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: a solid, strong counterpuncher and was tough in there.

1090
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, I agree with that. So, you know,

1091
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: I just all these people they want to go to

1092
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: the UFC because that's really all the money is buying

1093
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: large and ma and I understand that, but you know,

1094
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: you run the risk of going up there before you're ready.

1095
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna be It's gonna be the old Abe Simpson, Jeff.

1096
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: You're in there, put your hat on, turn around, put

1097
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: the hat on and leave. You know, it's like, yeah,

1098
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: grande and opening, grand closing. All right, BC, let's do this.

1099
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: So this is the one for all the marbles tomorrow.

1100
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: Topic number four. Stephen Fulton battles Noya in a Way

1101
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: at one hundred and twenty two pounds for two of

1102
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: the belts in that way class Noya in a Way

1103
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: moving up. Fulton is the man at that way. Class

1104
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: Key is the reigning champion. For both of those belts.

1105
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: I think one is WBC. I think what's the weather

1106
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: when WBO or WBA, I don't remember, but BC Aside

1107
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: from the belts playing to the audience Number one, why

1108
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: this fight rules? And more importantly, what is at stake here?

1109
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: Because people don't really care about the belts. They care

1110
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: about what it's supposed to mean. What does it mean?

1111
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean it's a lot. So first of all, like

1112
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: we have to understand who Diowa in New A is

1113
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: the Japanese monster. This was the face off between the two,

1114
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: and I certainly want to shout out the rat tail

1115
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: from Stephen Fuller Junior from from My boys schoolboy steph As.

1116
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 2: I call him Luke as Scooter as he's called in Philly.

1117
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: That's that's circa who had who had some rat tails

1118
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: through the years, Lucas had Yeah close to Zoo first

1119
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: of all. But here's the deal. A New A has

1120
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: always been about daring to be great. I believe he

1121
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: fought for his first world title Luke and like his

1122
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: fifth fight, became a two division champion and like his

1123
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: seventh a three division champion, moving up to bantam weight

1124
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: when he only had you know, double digit fights, And

1125
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 2: what did he do at bantamweight since going there? How

1126
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: about become the undisputed champion twice defeating Nodinodnair, including the

1127
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: first one, Luke, where Innue got his eye socket broken.

1128
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: Yet for the first time against some real resistance, showed

1129
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: us exactly what he's made of a new as the

1130
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: best fighter in the world. For what it matters on

1131
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: my pound for pound rankings, three division champion in the

1132
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: peak of his physical and mental prime. And what is

1133
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: he doing. He's going up to a fourth weight class

1134
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: and in the first fight calling out the unified champion.

1135
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: And maybe this fight only happens, Luke, because it's twenty

1136
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: twenty three and this has become one of the special

1137
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 2: years in the boxing fandom of the past two decades.

1138
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: But we we are allowed as a gift, not only

1139
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: four days before Spence Crawford finally happens that we get

1140
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: this fight on a Tuesday morning, but Fulton being allowed

1141
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,959
Speaker 2: to step aside from showtime in the PBC to chase

1142
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 2: the greatness that this fight offers. This fight is about,

1143
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: first of all, a new a daring to be great

1144
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: on such a level that all we can do is

1145
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: just like bow down and say that's how we want

1146
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: fighters to act. But how about Fulton accepting the challenge,

1147
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: and then you got to realize this Fulon was about

1148
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 2: to move up to one twenty six, not necess necesarily

1149
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: to follow Figuaroa up there, who the two of them

1150
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: put on that great fight of the year a couple

1151
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: of years ago, but because his body was, you know,

1152
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: outgrowing this division. But when the name a Newa came through,

1153
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: Fulton also picked up that phone, accepted it and worked

1154
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: things out behind the scenes to be able to go

1155
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: to Japan on another network to get it done. You're

1156
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: gonna play fighting for the two belts on the line

1157
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 2: that Fulton has at one twenty two. He's the stud

1158
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: of that division. The other two belts mer John Achmadali

1159
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: have had that. Then he got upset by Tapoulos. We'll

1160
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: see what happens with that. But Fulton is the class

1161
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: of this division. You have the number one in the

1162
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: world a new way against somebody in Fulton, who's no

1163
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: worse than you know, eight to twelve in most people's

1164
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: top ten or extended pound for pounds, who's of the

1165
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: top ten pound for pound ability, But sometimes it gets

1166
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: so crowded in there. Fulton is on a run of

1167
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 2: killers at this point. In his last four fights. That's

1168
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: like largely unrivaled in boxing, and now he's fighting the

1169
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 2: best fighter in the sport. So you could not ask

1170
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: for anything more. When Spence Efforts being talked about for

1171
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: potentially the number one pound for pound spot, which is true,

1172
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: a New Way is actually going to defend the number

1173
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: one pound for pound spot against another guy in and

1174
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 2: around the top ten, who, let's say, if he had

1175
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: won and once in winso dramatically on Tuesday, could end

1176
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: up taking over that number one spot. For all we

1177
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: know heading into Spence Crawford based upon your voting and

1178
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: where you have him. All that is just said by

1179
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: me to tell you that from a class standpoint, from

1180
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: a royalty standpoint, not commercial. Right us hardcorees are into this,

1181
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: not going to be the commercial crossover that Spence Crawford

1182
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: will be on Saturday. But from a boxing fan, the

1183
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: things that actually matter in this game, critical respect, does

1184
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: not get any better than this fight right here, Fulton

1185
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: versus a New Way and Luke we have to give

1186
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: equal in my opinion, daring to be great full Mobels respect.

1187
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: Shout out to the guy from Major League two the outfield.

1188
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: I remember him talk a comic coz. You remember that guy, Luke.

1189
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: You know I'm talking.

1190
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: Oh and probably it's racist as a character in Hollywood,

1191
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: but I don't remember.

1192
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does not. It does not get any better

1193
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: than this, Luke. You like, you have to understand they're

1194
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: switching networks for this. This is like Ryan Garcia jumping

1195
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: across the street to fight Tank on pay per view.

1196
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: This is as big and as good as it gets.

1197
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: Let's buckle up and enjoy it Tuesday, all.

1198
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: Right, So let me ask you some questions about this,

1199
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: because you were a guy who when we started doing MK,

1200
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: I was a you know, because I had been out

1201
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: of the boxing game for so long. I was really

1202
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: looking to you for some direction. I still do many times.

1203
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: And one of the guys you were like, dude, you

1204
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: got to get hip to Noia in a way. So

1205
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: I did, and I was like, holy shit, if you

1206
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: guys haven't seen him, he is an absolute He's terrifying, terrifying,

1207
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't say that for a guy one hundred

1208
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: and eighteen pounds. He is terrifying. His power is absurd,

1209
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: his mechanical is I should say, the efficiency of his

1210
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: punching is absurd. Now I'm looking at the odds BC.

1211
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the odds. I don't know if our

1212
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: friends at Caesar's have any numbers on this one, but

1213
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say he's roughly, in a way around

1214
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: a minus three to almost a minus four hundred Fulton

1215
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: somewhere around the high plus two hundreds, almost plus three

1216
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: hundred and certain spots BC. It's not that I don't

1217
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: understand the confidence in in a way, I absolutely do.

1218
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: But here's a couple things I just want to say,

1219
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: and then I want to ask one the bigger man here,

1220
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: the naturally bigger man is Fulton. Fulton is undefeated, he

1221
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: has two of the belts as we indicate it. And

1222
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: also what I want to point out is if there

1223
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: is anything that we observed in his run up to

1224
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: this fight. He can box, he can defend, He is slick,

1225
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: he is athletic, he can go the distance. He can

1226
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: take an onslaught. Help me understand, because I looked at

1227
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: everyone's prediction so far in the boxing world for this

1228
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't see hardly anyone picking Fulton. Am I crazy

1229
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: for thinking that? The odds on this one, and just

1230
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: in general, how close the fight is? People are sleeping

1231
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: on Fulton?

1232
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: Are they not massively sleep Okay, now, I owe you

1233
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: always leave out there, Luke, the idea that Vegas knows

1234
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: something deep inside that we don't trends, inside secrets or

1235
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: just you know whatever, that sometimes we get a little

1236
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: too emotional or we don't see coming, and they set

1237
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: they tend to set the lines that make the most sense,

1238
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: but they're also inducing betting. With that said, Luke, not

1239
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: that I think Fulton necessarily should be the betting favorite,

1240
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: the fact that he's almost a large underdog for a

1241
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: fight that in our eyes feels so compelling in fifty

1242
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: to fifty on paper. It's I'm not only here to

1243
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: tell you from a betting standpoint that it's a good

1244
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: idea to throw some money on the idea of Fulton

1245
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: with you know, plus money here as the underdog. Here's

1246
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: the deal. What a new Way was able to do

1247
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: at one hundred and eighteen pounds his third division, right

1248
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: he's thirty years old, right now, he's at the you know,

1249
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: he's in the second half of his absolute prime. But

1250
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: what he was able to do in the third division

1251
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: is was breathtaking. We had legitimate questions even though him

1252
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: moving up in weight is you know, three divisions is

1253
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: only really the standpoint of like ten to twelve pounds.

1254
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: But when you're in boxing and when these weight classes

1255
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: on the lower level, or sometimes only four pounds apart,

1256
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: those four pounds matter, like you know what I'm saying,

1257
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: In terms of punching power, resistant, size, it doesn't matter

1258
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: so much, which is why light heavyweight, cruiserweight, heavyweight, there's

1259
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: bigger gaps in the larger weight classes, but in the

1260
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: smaller weight classes it means everything. We didn't know if

1261
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 2: a new Way when he moved up to bandamweight would

1262
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: carry the same power, the same punch resistance, all of

1263
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: that same questions we had about Chuckle Latito when he

1264
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: moved up to his third way class at one fifteen

1265
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: and suddenly was in wars, And you're like, wow, I'm

1266
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: not kind of used to this. I think, first and foremost,

1267
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: the biggest question, the biggest storyline that I have that

1268
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: really resonates with what you just said, the idea that

1269
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: we're shocked that Fulton is this big of an underdog

1270
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: is now we're asking a new way to go up

1271
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: to a fourth division and be that same killer. Now,

1272
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: the good news and the reason why a new A

1273
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: is the pound for pound king is because he can

1274
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: do it all. We always go back and reference the

1275
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: first fight against Nonido Dunair from what twenty nineteen, that

1276
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: was the fight of the year, and that that's the

1277
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: first time somebody came in there and Donair was at

1278
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: one eighteen, his his preferred way class, even though he

1279
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: went as high as one twenty six, and look, he

1280
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: broke a Newa's face early. But the fact that a

1281
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: new A switched to the boxing side the rest of

1282
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: that fight and was still the aggressor and still won

1283
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: a classic slugfest shows you everything you need to know

1284
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: about his backbone.

1285
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: And who he is.

1286
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: But now we're asking him to go up four more

1287
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: pounds against one of the ten best fighters in the world.

1288
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: To your point, Luke, who can literally fight any style?

1289
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: Now does he have? Does Fulton have the same one

1290
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: punch power at one twenty two that a Newa has

1291
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: had in three divisions? No, if you want to sit

1292
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: here and tell me that you're a deeper boxing fan

1293
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: than me, in a new Way is going to have

1294
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: a solid punch advantage even moving up in weight. I

1295
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: can believe that because a new A looks like a

1296
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: special puncher puncher, and he's already a special fighter. But

1297
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: let's not sleep on this. He's moving up to a

1298
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: fourth way class and fighting the most difficult guy, a

1299
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: guy who's Philly tough, has a legit backbone, and be

1300
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: grimy and out grind and outwork you on the inside

1301
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: even though he's in prototype more of a slick boxer.

1302
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: And how about this, Fulton will have nearly a five

1303
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: inch reach advantage on a New Way as well. I

1304
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: think we do need to recalculate these odds and really

1305
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: ask ourselves. Does Fulton have a history of being Chenny? No,

1306
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: he was in there in that war with Figuarow, and

1307
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: Figaro has been stopping dudes left and right and around

1308
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: that stretch al right when there gets Luis Narian stopped

1309
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: into the body. Fulton is as as great well rounded

1310
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: a fighter as you can have on the elite level.

1311
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure Luke even in a fourth weight class,

1312
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: even though a New Way looks like a special one.

1313
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: Is he Manny pacchiaw special where the weight classes don't

1314
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: even seem to matter. He might be, we don't know yet,

1315
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: But even Pakiau eventually started to hit his ceiling where

1316
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: that power wasn't the same. It wasn't one puch anymore.

1317
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: It was more about being slick and volume. Can a

1318
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: Neway do all that? Yes, he is an absolute complete craftsman,

1319
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: but moving up and weight against a skilled, tough guy

1320
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: with great punch placement, great speed, who knows how to

1321
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: fight from distance, but can't fight you on the inside

1322
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: if he needs to. You know, look at these odds

1323
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: for yourself. But the more you dig into this, I

1324
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: think the more you're gonna realize. This actually is a

1325
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty fight, and we have asked a lot

1326
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 2: about a new A up to this point in his career.

1327
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: We are asking him to do a lot more than

1328
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: I think people realize. I mean, Luke, do these these

1329
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: betting odds almost tell you that the odds makers believe

1330
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: no matter what this fight looks like, eventually a new

1331
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: A's power is gonna win out. I'm not sure about that, bro,

1332
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: I'm really not.

1333
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm really not sure about it either. Be see, let

1334
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: me ask this question because this is the relevant one,

1335
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: right and we're gonna talk about UFC two ninety one

1336
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: here in just a minute. But first on this one.

1337
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: If in a way wins and let's say wins by

1338
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: a knockout, like viciously one punch stops Fulton, like in

1339
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: the sixth round or something, right, even if he's losing

1340
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: up to that point, but wins that in your mind,

1341
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: would he be the number one pound for pound fighter

1342
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: in the even after a resolution in Spence versus Crawford.

1343
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because we've actually had talked

1344
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 2: this week at CBS Sports about me like updating my

1345
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: pound for pound after Tuesday's fight, and how would that affect,

1346
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, the narrative going into Saturday's fight. Here's the deal. Yeah,

1347
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: the answer is yes. If a new AAY moves up

1348
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: to a fourth way class, beats the best guy in

1349
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: that division, does so in the monster style and knocks

1350
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 2: him the hell out, we are not only talking about

1351
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: probably still the number one pound for pound guy regardless

1352
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: of what happens in Spence Crawford on Saturday, and we

1353
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: are watching in real time the continued evolution of one

1354
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: of the greatest boxers in the history of the sport.

1355
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: If he does this Tuesday morning, Yes, Luke, that's exactly

1356
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: what we're talking about because That's what pow for pound

1357
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, is really about. It's

1358
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: a tool we use because most of the time, the

1359
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: ten best fighters in the world cannot meet in the

1360
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: same way class. But when you are able to continue

1361
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 2: to rise in that weight class and seek out the

1362
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: biggest and best names and the absolutely fucking blow their

1363
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: doors in, then you're talking about the Manny pac Yales

1364
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: of the all time greats to the Henry Armstrong's, these

1365
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: people that just defy typical rules and expectations. We are

1366
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: watching something super special in a New A. But if

1367
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: you don't realize how good Stephen Fulton Junior is, you may,

1368
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: you know, you may you better recognize ahead of Tuesday,

1369
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: because this is as big as it gets. Luke, let

1370
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: me flip that back to you. I know you don't

1371
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: do a boxing pumpfer pound top ten, but if Fulton

1372
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 2: really is around that eight to twelve bubble in most

1373
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: people's lists, what if Fulton went out and completely dominated

1374
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: a new A he's in that he'd have to be

1375
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: in the overall pomp for pound top you know three discussion,

1376
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: because if you go in there against the best fighter

1377
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: in the world and dispatch him, we may also have

1378
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: to say Spence Crawford notwithstanding we're wild, you know what

1379
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: I mean? Like this is this is this is absolute

1380
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: greatness Tuesday morning. I cannot wait for this.

1381
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what I would say if Fulton wins. And

1382
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: by the way, I I mean, I don't know if

1383
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm outright picking him, but I don't know, no, man,

1384
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: like I feel like people are just like comically sleeping

1385
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: on him. But okay, if he wins, it wouldn't be

1386
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: enough for me to put him one, but it would

1387
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: probably be enough for me to put him top three,

1388
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, because he is taking on in this particular

1389
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: case the smaller man, granted, a dynamic smaller man, but

1390
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: the smaller man naturally anyway just the same. And so

1391
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: for that reason, I couldn't but flip the point, as

1392
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: I askt UBC boy, I think the people who do

1393
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: boxing rankings, if in a way goes in there and

1394
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: flat lines Fulton, which is a huge if. But if

1395
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: he goes in there and does that, boy, who you

1396
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: gonna pick? If you get in a way flat lining

1397
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: Fulton and then you get in either direction between Bud

1398
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: and Errol Spence like a close fight, you know what

1399
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what are you supposed to do with that?

1400
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: Because to your point, the guy goes up these weight

1401
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: classes and then would flat line the guy who too

1402
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: is not just the guy who owes the two belts,

1403
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: but as we all consider most boxing observers, is the

1404
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: guy in the weight class. Boy Spencer Crawford would have

1405
01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: their work cut out for them there in terms of

1406
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: the no doubt about it.

1407
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: Fulton's last three fights January of twenty twenty one, he

1408
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: went in there against unbeaten Angelo Lao and defended that

1409
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: WBO title with a clean wide decision. Then he goes

1410
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: in there and has the fight of the year against

1411
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: Brandon Figuero and hangs on by majority decision in just

1412
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 2: an absolute classic. And then he went in there against

1413
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: former unified champion Daniel Roman, who had really reinvented himself

1414
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: after the loss to merge On Achmadaliev, also by the way,

1415
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: which was a Fight of the Year contender, and he

1416
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: completely shut down dominated Roman, and actually Roman retired after

1417
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: that fight because of how thoroughly Fulton beat him, almost

1418
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 2: like a wake up call like I'll probably never get

1419
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: better than this, let me just walk away. Fulton could

1420
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: not be entering this fight despite the one year layoff

1421
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: on a hotter run. We know what the run in

1422
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: a way is on. He unified all four belts, punching

1423
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: holes through people. Look, you said that you're not sure

1424
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: if you're outright picking Fulton. I'm outright picking Fulton here

1425
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 2: to upset. I upset to get this win the length

1426
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: the look because Luke, what you have to ash off?

1427
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 2: What are you asking of a fighter? Granted, there's a

1428
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: potential built in advantage with Fulton being the naturally bigger

1429
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: guy with the longer reach, so that's part of it.

1430
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 2: But what do you need to ask of a fighter

1431
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: to be able to deal with that? You need to

1432
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: ask a very unique combination of toughness IQ but also daring.

1433
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: And the thing about Stephen Fulton, for not having big

1434
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: power for one twenty two is he can get in

1435
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: there and get dirty and be daring. That Philadelphia fighter,

1436
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: that that persona he can do the jeckl and Hyde.

1437
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: He can switch it on and turn back into that dude.

1438
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: I need somebody who's toughest nails, who's daring, but also

1439
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: has the skills to pull this off. That's exactly who

1440
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 2: Fulton is, Dude, I would love if a new Way

1441
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: comes in there and beats the bags off of him

1442
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: and then we all just go the monster is exactly

1443
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: who he said he was, only he's even better than

1444
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: we thought. I'd love to do that shit, I'm telling

1445
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: you right now. Plus money on Fulton. This much plus

1446
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 2: money on Fulton. Yeah, even with traveling to Japan, even

1447
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 2: with Luke something we didn't bring up what we should Glovegate.

1448
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if people caught the press conference because

1449
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: it was down in Japan the other day, but Fulton's

1450
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: trainer made a public plea against the style of hand

1451
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: wrapping that a new A has been allowed to do

1452
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 2: in Japan for his last couple of fights. Luke. There's

1453
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: there's some controversy behind that. I don't know if there

1454
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: was a resolution, did you see any, But it was

1455
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: Fulton's team basically saying so that the way a new

1456
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 2: A reps it's too hard and almost insinuating that the

1457
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: Donair rematch or I'm sorry that the last defense against

1458
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: Paul Butler there that like there was almost a built

1459
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 2: in hidden advantage there on the reps. I'm glad they

1460
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 2: brought it to the to light. It still doesn't change

1461
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: all the equations of this fight in my mind.

1462
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: So here is the argument, and this is sort of

1463
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: like there's a there's a belief. This is sort of

1464
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: what happened with Margarito when he fought Codo. That that

1465
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: one's actually a little bit different too, but it's a

1466
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: similar idea. The idea is are supposed to be tape, gauze,

1467
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,439
Speaker 1: tape gauze in that order, but they can do something

1468
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: called stacking where they'll do tape and tape again. They'll

1469
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: actually stack layers of tape. And the idea is that

1470
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: when it gets wet and sweaty inside the glove and

1471
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: then molded with the with the gauze, then on top

1472
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: of it and there's more tape too, But then when

1473
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: you're stacking the tape, that it can actually mold into

1474
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: a cast and you can make it hard, and that

1475
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: they really want to do that. You're talking about a

1476
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: guy who's like a dynamic power puncher, and in a

1477
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: way it's going to you know, it's gonna help him.

1478
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: In fact, in a way has had stacking our hand

1479
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Speaker 1: wraps before because it is legal in Japan. It is

1480
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: legal in Japan, so the Japanese are They're funny, dude,

1481
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: they don't. There's no there's no commission that regulates MMA

1482
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: at all, which is why they have like Jose Canseeko

1483
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: fight and whoever the fuck you know, But they do

1484
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: have a boxing commission. They do have a boxing commission.

1485
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: The boxing commission allows that. I believe. This is why

1486
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: for example, b see, you know how times when you

1487
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: watch like these big fights on pay per view for boxing,

1488
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: you always see like one guy watching the other team's

1489
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: hand get wrapped. Dude, that's why they're watching to see

1490
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: if they're gonna stack with the tape on top of

1491
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: tape rather than tape gauze, tape gauze. I don't know

1492
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: what they aided here on this fight. See.

1493
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be fair, you referenced Margarito when he

1494
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: actually got caught against Mosley. They literally caught plaster of Paris.

1495
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: Yes, they caught plaster in there. I'm just saying he

1496
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: also used that technique as well.

1497
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously we all look back on Margarito's run,

1498
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: including the Codo when and and you know, recalibrate maybe

1499
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 2: what's been going on. But yeah, I mean, dude, a

1500
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 2: new ways blowing through people Anyway, I'm glad they brought

1501
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: up that concern. I don't want that to be a

1502
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 2: factor if it ends up being. But I mean whether

1503
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 2: he's been in Japan or not. So the last two,

1504
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: actually the last three fights for a New Way have

1505
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 2: been in Japan, including the Paul Butler unification when that

1506
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: became the Underspeeded Championship that was in December of last year,

1507
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 2: and then June of last year was the Donair rematch,

1508
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: which was also in Japan. I mean, look, look, he

1509
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 2: looked ferocious and had punching power that ended those fights.

1510
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 2: He also kind of looks like that normally.

1511
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: To be fair, Yes, yes he does.

1512
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I'm saying. So but look, if

1513
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 2: you is that part of the odds that Fulton's going

1514
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: to everything on a New A's terms, going to an

1515
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: opposite country, change a little bit in the rules, Yeah,

1516
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 2: that's part of it. That's part of it. Still, Luke,

1517
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: as great as a New A is, can we put

1518
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: some respect back on Scooter here? On?

1519
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 3: This is what I mean?

1520
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: Like, dude, it was it was Fulton who really made

1521
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: this fight happen. Now, he wanted it, so it was

1522
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: like his job in a sense to go and make it.

1523
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: But b see this guy flew the other side of

1524
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: the world in another guy's backyard, who is a hero there.

1525
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't realize how big in a way

1526
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: is in Japan. My god, he's a star.

1527
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: He's like out there. Yeah, Like dude, you go on.

1528
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: Their street signs, everywhere, bus backs things in the subway,

1529
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. In a way is a massive star there,

1530
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: and Fulton is going over there putting his titles on

1531
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: the line. He had to get a deal with I

1532
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: guess PBC to figure out how he was going to

1533
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: go fight over in Japan against a guy on a

1534
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: rival network. Like he really went to go make this happen.

1535
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: He wanted that smoke. I can understand why they would

1536
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: be what do you want to call it? Anal so

1537
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: to speak about how the hands get wrapped, especially even

1538
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: if it is a smaller guy who is a dynamic puncher.

1539
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: I want to say one more thing if I can

1540
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,799
Speaker 1: be seen not so much about anything for the boxing audience.

1541
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: MMA fans a lot of times they roll their eyes

1542
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: when we cover boxing, and I understand that. Let me

1543
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: tell you something. There are a few guys that I

1544
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: think appeal to MMA fans as boxers, meaning their style

1545
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 1: is like efficient, powerful, quick, deadly. I think of Manny Pakiyah,

1546
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: who is just a machine gun puncher in his prime.

1547
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, if you're an MMA fan and like

1548
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: it's a little hard for you to get into boxing,

1549
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: it won't be this one. Dude. Noia in a way

1550
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: is worth your time. And you are you're a UFC fan,

1551
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: you already should in all likelihood have UFC. Excuse me,

1552
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: ESPN Plus they're not charging pay per view. You get

1553
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: to get to catch it live on the stream or

1554
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: after the fact. This is a guy win or lose

1555
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: you do not want to miss. He is ferocious as

1556
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: a puncher, a huge athlete, and a megastar in his country.

1557
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, folks, you got to catch that. Plus

1558
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: BC's at a live chat afterwards.

1559
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: Eight am Eastern is the expected ringwalk start there on

1560
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: ESPN Plus from Japan. I'll be going live as you mentioned,

1561
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: live chat right afterwards. We'll well, we'll continue to chat

1562
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: up the whole week. But damn cannot wait for this.

1563
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: Look what I mean, what a you tell you this?

1564
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: It's not quite UFC two hundred week where we had

1565
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 2: you wanta clause your to one night and then Urda

1566
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: versus you know, Alvarez for the title the next night.

1567
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 2: But it has that like Saturday is already among the

1568
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 2: craziest combat days in a long ass time, and now

1569
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: we got this as like a midweek appetizer. I mean,

1570
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: get out of here. This is this is this is damn.

1571
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: I'm a considracy. You guys, get fired the hell up?

1572
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: Wake up early, okay with BC tomorrow, please.

1573
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, do that BC before we move on to the

1574
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: final question here, final topic, real quickly. George Cambosis got

1575
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: a sketchball win over in Oklahoma against Maxi Hughes. I

1576
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: believe it's his name, right, I forget his name, ye,

1577
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: Mexa Hughes. Now. I did see people say that there

1578
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: were a bunch of rounds where it was really hard

1579
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,879
Speaker 1: to tell who won, and so that they weren't exactly bothered,

1580
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: but that some of the scores like one seventeen, one

1581
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 1: eleven yes for Cambosis. I mean, here's the funny thing, dude,

1582
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: I was you know, you know I love shouts to

1583
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: box cutter pass if any pass is a huge boxing fan,

1584
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: not the boxer or the rapper and he had posted

1585
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, you could make an argument that that

1586
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: Cambosis has lost thirty four of his last thirty six

1587
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: rounds going back to the two Hany fights. I mean,

1588
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a little strong. But Jesus, like, dude,

1589
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: this is I don't even know what you're supposed to

1590
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: say about this anymore. What do you say? BC?

1591
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 2: So here's the deal. People hate this, people hate this,

1592
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 2: but it's the real deal. George Cambosis is an aggressive

1593
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 2: well typically not in this fight, which is the problem.

1594
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: It's why his look. To Cambos's credit, he I don't

1595
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 2: know why he's fighting Seawanny Oklahoma. There is a big

1596
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: in that area. They do love boxing there, you know,

1597
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 2: boxing goes there. But he's a he's an Australian fighter

1598
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: fighting there in the first fight of his extended new

1599
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,560
Speaker 2: Top Rank co promotional deal, and his regular trainer was

1600
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 2: unable to make it. So he had Don Howise filling in.

1601
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 2: You know, made on Don House as being a UFC cutman,

1602
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: but a respected boxing trainer too. Don Haws had to

1603
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: get in this guy's ass lest you know, second half

1604
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: of this fight and be like, you know, you gotta

1605
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 2: let your hands go. Unfortunately, Luke, we got reviled for

1606
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 2: this in the past. George Cambosis is an average fighter.

1607
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 2: It's an average boxer at this at this level. And

1608
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: if you didn't know that coming in, I mean he

1609
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: fought the best fight of his night on the worst

1610
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 2: fight of Tao Fema Lopez his career, in a fight femal.

1611
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 2: Lopez physically shouldn't have been in there, and they put

1612
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 2: on a close, absolute war. And I'll give Cambosis credit

1613
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 2: for taking advantage of that, getting the two fights against

1614
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 2: Haney on home soil, which down there, they were big events,

1615
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: even though the second one was gratuitous and unnecessary. But

1616
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 2: you go in there against this guy Maxi, who fought

1617
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: his balls off, doesn't have power, has five defeats, no

1618
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 2: one's ever heard of him, tough South Paul from the UK,

1619
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 2: and you look kind of average against him and your trainers,

1620
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 2: you know, your your makeshift trainers, like dude, throw your hands,

1621
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 2: what are you doing? And then you get these scorecards,

1622
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 2: this one from Joseph Mason won seventeen to one to eleven,

1623
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 2: nine rounds to three in favor of Cambosis. So here's

1624
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: the deal. Really was insane. Who really won this fight?

1625
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 2: Probably seven to five Maxi Hughes is the right score.

1626
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: Right.

1627
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: If you had it seventy five for Cambosis, you would

1628
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 2: have been wrong. You wouldn't have been run out of

1629
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 2: the building. It wasn't a great fight, but Maxi Hughes

1630
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: kind of disciplined Cambosis and made it very difficult. The

1631
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 2: fact that they still rolled out Shakh Stevenson, who they

1632
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 2: had there in at and put those two together face

1633
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 2: to face. Do you realize that off camera when chaquerr

1634
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 2: was talking to the media, he was like, uh, I

1635
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 2: don't want to fight this guy next because he proved

1636
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 2: tonight that he's not on my level. And in the

1637
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: close up that they did have that ran on TV,

1638
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 2: Chaquer's like, you're not on my level. I would hurt

1639
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 2: you very badly, Luke. He would hurt Shaquer Stevens said,

1640
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 2: would kick this shit out of Cambosis on like a

1641
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: Mayweather versus Gotti level. Unfortunately, it would be one of

1642
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,520
Speaker 2: those fights that's on that like and look, I Cambosis

1643
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 2: is normally aggressive and he you know, he's got a

1644
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 2: big chance. He's got guts and balls, and I give

1645
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 2: him credit right, he's got any interesting tattoos too. He's

1646
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 2: not a bad quote. I don't hate the guy. I

1647
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: get him signing to top rank right now in a

1648
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 2: lot of ways, just to take advantage of the name

1649
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 2: recognition that he did get by upsetting Tayo Femo so

1650
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: that eventually he could rematch Tao at one point forty

1651
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: or just serve as what they're trying to do, make

1652
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: him a big b side for these guys that are

1653
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 2: expected to meet him so they can go higher. But

1654
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: that fight, Shakur's not wrong, that fight against Maxa Hughes

1655
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 2: Campbos is not ready for this elite level. And you

1656
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: know he did better the second time against hany kind

1657
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: of but.

1658
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: Well, here's my question. Here's my question. He was never

1659
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: gonna beat Haney because of just the style contrast. Hany

1660
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: way too slick, you know all that stuff. Dude, How

1661
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: the fuck did he not just beat Tayo Femal Lopez?

1662
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: How did he like beat him cleanly? You know what

1663
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, I mean, I know he knocked him

1664
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: down and blah blah blah.

1665
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: That guy. Well, look, because think about it, they've mentioned

1666
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: this on the BRODC. I thought Tim Bradley had had

1667
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 2: a great night being critical, being necessarily critical on that. Yeah, well,

1668
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: he basically said to like, why did Cambosis look so good?

1669
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: Because cambosis does you know? His problem is quicker fighter,

1670
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 2: slick boxers with good footwork. He's better when you attack

1671
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: him because you bring out the attacking counter style of cambosis.

1672
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 2: Tail fem Lopez admitted after the fact that he went

1673
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,799
Speaker 2: for broke in that first round, going for the knockdown.

1674
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 2: If you remember, he was kicking Cambos's ass in the

1675
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 2: first round until George rocked in and dropped him, and

1676
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 2: we were like, whoa Tao knew he wasn't physically right.

1677
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: He kind of knew he was up against it with

1678
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 2: the whole thing, with the purse bid and the dezone

1679
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 2: fight and all that. Yes, Tayo, you know the comments

1680
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 2: he made afterwards, I don't understand them, but he thought

1681
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 2: it diminished tail Female and Cambosis got it done. But

1682
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 2: that was also a guy coming at him recklessly making

1683
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: a fight. These elite boxers are not going to do that.

1684
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 2: They're not going to fall into his trap. So Luke,

1685
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 2: he becomes an aggressive b side and there's no harm,

1686
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 2: no follow in that. But he didn't even beat Maxy

1687
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: Hughes and his trainer had to get in his ass

1688
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 2: the whole second half of the fight. Not gonna do

1689
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 2: anything against Shakur. They can't make that fight anymore. And

1690
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: I know George also was calling out Loma Chenko and

1691
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 2: he wants that fight. I mean, look, if you need

1692
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 2: Lomachenko to get a comeback fight, George Cambosas is the name,

1693
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 2: and he brings it and he'll make Loma look good.

1694
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: But dude, I don't mean to be this harsh, but

1695
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 2: we did get a lot of people a long time saying, man,

1696
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 2: you guys still need to really eat crow about what

1697
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 2: you were saying ahead of that Lopez fight. No, we don't,

1698
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: because what we've seen since then is of who George

1699
01:18:58,360 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: Cambosis is.

1700
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: And here's what I'll say. We were wrong about what

1701
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: was going to happen in the Lopez fight. We were wrong,

1702
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: Like what we said did.

1703
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 2: Not We didn't, but we didn't know what We didn't

1704
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 2: know that he was compromised that much physical.

1705
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: Fair enough, but my point was being and of course

1706
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: Devin Hamey was always going to be an uphill climb,

1707
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: but it's a fight like this where he should have

1708
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: like really showed us his quality, not to mactally huse

1709
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: some pushover, but like if he is that guy who

1710
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: can bomb on tail Fumal Lopez and beat him, especially

1711
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: after what we would you just saw from Lopez against

1712
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: Josh Taylor, Like where was that guy on Saturday? Like

1713
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't even close. Also, BC, I will say this though,

1714
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: this is the weird part. I don't know what's happening

1715
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: with UFC content. So I was checking what videos were

1716
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: trending in the United States and of course where how

1717
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: videos trend will differ by country, So if you're in

1718
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: California and the Virginia, it'll be the same, but if

1719
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: you're in the UK, it'll be different. The only combat

1720
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 1: sports video over the weekend that trend did was the

1721
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: highlights video of this contest, which I found like truly baffling,

1722
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: sort of like a a sleepy fight in the middle

1723
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: of the country that not a lot of people necessarily

1724
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: knew about. This was the only one that trended. Not

1725
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: sure what to make of that. To be honest with you, yeah,

1726
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: I don't.

1727
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 2: I don't understand how that happened at all. I mean, Luke,

1728
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 2: maybe maybe your trends were maybe you were wrong by

1729
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: trending on Twitter. And as Dana pointed out with slap

1730
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: on Rumble Sports, Luke, they're doing more than all the

1731
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 2: pro sports combined. So I wonder if UFC is also

1732
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: having that same success on Rumble Sports. And we just

1733
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: don't understand, you know, chart beat and all that stuff,

1734
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 2: and maybe danbys and that's that's cool, but but you know, Luke,

1735
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: it's just like that's this is a setup fight for

1736
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 2: George to knock out Maxi. Hughes Cambos has been calling

1737
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: for a knockout all week and then he went out

1738
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: there faced some trouble, got down early and just didn't

1739
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 2: look right. I mean, maybe he pulled it off. Luke.

1740
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: You can score it yourself, but that doesn't catapult you

1741
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: to a big fight. And it sucks because that's why

1742
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 2: they signed him, in my opinion, to be a b

1743
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 2: side to all these guys.

1744
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: All right, let me just move on from here. I

1745
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: know we have some like a semi Devin Haning news,

1746
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: but I'll wait until it's more confirmed. You see. Let's

1747
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: talk about topic number five al right, So the two

1748
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: big Crown jewels obviously not counting tomorrow at the weekend

1749
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: on Saturday, UFC two ninety one and Spence Crawford for

1750
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 1: each event, BC give me one under the radar storyline

1751
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: as we kick off fight week.

1752
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm interested in what's going on in this light heavyweight

1753
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: Comaine bout related to the UFC here in two ninety

1754
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: one at Salt Lake City, Yan Blohovich against Poeton Alex

1755
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: Padeda in his Tool five debut. Look correct me if

1756
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. There seemed to be somebody had a screenshot

1757
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 2: of some ticket giveaway the UFC was running, and they

1758
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 2: kind of builed it as we're gonna have two title

1759
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: fights on this card, right the BMF title in the

1760
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: main event in the Justin Dustin rematch, and assuming some

1761
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 2: level of interim or vacant title here. The storyline here, Luke,

1762
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: that intrigues me the most. Whether or not a title

1763
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: does get put on the line here or not, is

1764
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: just what this opportunity brings for Alex Prededa, Like the

1765
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 2: timing could not have been perfect that he makes a

1766
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 2: transition from kickboxing to MMA, just as his lifelong rival

1767
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 2: here out of sign he had kind of cleaned out

1768
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 2: the division and there was a path a path for

1769
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 2: Poton in just two or three fights to sort of

1770
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: cut the line almost like Prohotska recently did at two

1771
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: of five after John Jones left and get a big opportunity,

1772
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 2: and now he's moving up to a second weight class

1773
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 2: and that path just opened wide again. I don't know

1774
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: at the end of the day if they will put

1775
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 2: a inter a more vacant title on here, but the

1776
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: stakes kind of feel like they are even if they don't,

1777
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: in terms of just how big this fight now becomes.

1778
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 2: With Jamal hill out, who knows when Pro Hootska's coming back.

1779
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 2: Rakitch has been hurt and Goliath's not in the highest

1780
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 2: standing from that decision loss that was a drum sorry

1781
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: that draw and his comments afterwards, I feel like suddenly

1782
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: this division's wide open. And go to Alex Padda, who's

1783
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 2: just bought his boy Glover a motorcycle and you know,

1784
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 2: shocked us all when he came in and rallied to

1785
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 2: knockout Izzy in the fifth run and actually become the

1786
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 2: UFC champion. He now potentially has a chance to become

1787
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 2: some form of a two division champion or at the

1788
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 2: very least set himself up for his next fight to

1789
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 2: do so after doing so in glory and kickboxing. This

1790
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 2: whole transition for him from kickboxing to MMA at the

1791
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 2: highest level has been so remarkably fast, and he's lived

1792
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 2: up to the hype and then some. But the stakes

1793
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: just got really big for Saturday. Same thing for Yan

1794
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: Bohowich here on the Colmback Trail. No question, it's gonna

1795
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 2: be interesting to see what this fight actually means in

1796
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 2: terms of who wins it and what opportunity do they

1797
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: get next.

1798
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: I think that's a great one, dude. You know what's

1799
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: really interesting about this, First of all, the opening about

1800
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Matthew Semmlsberger versus YODOSHMDI. It's just a great fight. But

1801
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: neither here nor there. This is the one that this

1802
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: is the I should say the storyline for two ninety

1803
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: one that stands out to me. Dude. You got a

1804
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: lot of guys where it's like are they coming or going?

1805
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna find out Saturday, right. So for example, Bobby

1806
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: green As I think, what thirty six years old? If not,

1807
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: if memory serves yes, thirty six, he'll be thirty seven

1808
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: in September. He's taken on Tony Ferguson. I don't know

1809
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 1: what kind of time Tony Ferguson has left this Could

1810
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: this be his last fight in the sport. Again, it's

1811
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: up to him. Is a loser leaves town match, Luke,

1812
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: It honestly could be. Again, we're not declaring it to you,

1813
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: but it is something to pay attention to as we

1814
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: hit into Saturday. How about Michael Kissa up against Kevin Holland.

1815
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: That's less coming or going. But Kisa, you know, we

1816
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: talked to him from room service diaries in Vegas kind

1817
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: of already has one foot in the analysis commentary window.

1818
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: He's a little bit older than folks realize as well,

1819
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: thirty five years of age. So again not necessarily done.

1820
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: But like, if he loses here at one seventy, he

1821
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: already left one fifty five. He that would not necessarily

1822
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 1: be the best thing in the world. Stephen Thompson, take

1823
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: it on Michelle Predata. That's a fun contest. But dude,

1824
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: how about this one Derek Lewis. Derek Lewis hasn't looked

1825
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: like himself in a long time. Taking on Marcos Jigerio

1826
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: Delima and you'd like, dude, this would be a guy

1827
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: that Derek Lewis would blow through. Ordinarily, Well, he's on

1828
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: a two fight win streak over Andre Rolovski and then

1829
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: Waldo Cortes a Costa, Like, what if he gets a

1830
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: win over Derek Lewis, what does that mean for Derek

1831
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: Lewis's future? And you can go down the list like

1832
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: this on a bunch of different fights. It's really interesting

1833
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: to see what's left for a lot of I'm gonna say,

1834
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: beloved figures in the sport by two ninety one could

1835
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: be a brutal night if we're emma gods have their way.

1836
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: Just warning, folks, you know, and look, while we.

1837
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: Love the firework potential of a cool fight like wonder

1838
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 2: Boy versus Michelle Padeda can bring, no one's talking about

1839
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: the Michelle Padeda's got a five fight win streak in

1840
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 2: the Waldroit division right now and he's facing a former

1841
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 2: title two time title challenger here, Like, is this a

1842
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: sneaky catapult fight for him? If he gets the job done,

1843
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 2: where does he fit in the rankings after that? That's interesting?

1844
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: You know what, I have completely slept on him. But

1845
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: to your point, talk about coming or going, he could

1846
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,560
Speaker 1: be going up wonder Boy, great name, people, like, what

1847
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: does it mean to beat him in twenty twenty three.

1848
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,839
Speaker 1: Probably not what it once was, but still highly credible.

1849
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: You know he's gonna come prepared. You know he's gonna

1850
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: come in shape, and you know he's gonna you know,

1851
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: he's gonna beat guys who have not crossed their t's

1852
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: and dot their eyes. Is Padata? This? And this is

1853
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: the part about Padata. It's that he had this wild

1854
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: fuck around game that was fun for highlights, but not

1855
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: so fun for winning. He's been dialing it back to

1856
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: a much more sensible version of things. Made him a

1857
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: little bit less dynamic. But to your point, the w's

1858
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: keep stacking up, dude. This will be the biggest win

1859
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: of his career, I think by a mile, by a mile,

1860
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: and would prove that this reformed Calmer style. Maybe it's

1861
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more boring, but shit, dude, you can

1862
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: do something with it. This is a huge proving ground

1863
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: for him. On setne Drank.

1864
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 2: Number fifteen Michelle Padaeda on a five fight win streak

1865
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 2: coming in against the number seven wonder boy. So big

1866
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 2: fight there in the larger walterweight standing. I mean, look,

1867
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 2: this top heavy pay per view, but I do like

1868
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 2: this pay per view there's gonna be some bangers on here.

1869
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: I like this pay per view. So you got Poortier

1870
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,799
Speaker 1: Gatchee in the main event, Wjhovich. Has you Indicatedrea Pareta

1871
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: in the Comaine Ferguson Green feature fight Kiessa Holland, then

1872
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: the main of excuse me, the main card opener Stephen Thompson,

1873
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: Michelle Paeda, Derek Lewis is the main event of the

1874
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: pre Limbs. By the way, you got Gabriel Bonfme. He's

1875
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: going to be fighting in this card. I guess Trevin

1876
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: Giles bon Feme is undefeated. Copy Love has kind of

1877
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: turned into somebody worth a lot of respect that's worth

1878
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: paying attention to. How about Australia's own Jake Matthews against

1879
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: Darius Flowers Moran By the way, another one coming or going?

1880
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: What's up with Miranda Maverick. You know I was real

1881
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: high on her. Now she's still very young. We got

1882
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: to be understanding of it. And she's only lost one.

1883
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: She had two wins before this. But I'm saying, like

1884
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: the fight against Jazz Devissius was surprising. She's back in

1885
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: here against Priscilla Katchuea. She should win. But there are

1886
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: some questions about her development as well.

1887
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 2: Katchawea has won four or five herself. So this is

1888
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 2: this is good matchmaking here. I mean there's a long

1889
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 2: way removed from when Valentina destroyed her, which ref was

1890
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 2: like I need Ketchawera to take as much punish.

1891
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: I was Yamasaki. That was Yamasaki. This guy right, Yeah, yeah, dude,

1892
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: I have ever told you that. Like, So, the Yamasaki

1893
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,839
Speaker 1: brothers are based out of DC. Now. I think Mario

1894
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: moved back to Brazil to open up the business, but

1895
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: Fernando is still here. By the way, they're very nice people.

1896
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 1: Mario and I watched together in DC. We watched Forrest

1897
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: Griffin fight Rampage, and we were at a sushi bar

1898
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: and we and we bet. I think we bet twenty bucks.

1899
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: I think I bet Forrest would win. No, he bet Forest.

1900
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: I thought Rampage would win. And I had to pay

1901
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,560
Speaker 1: Mario Amsaki twenty bucks. So there's a story for you.

1902
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 1: He's very nice.

1903
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 2: Did you pay up?

1904
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: You paid up?

1905
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 2: I did.

1906
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 1: I did pay up. Yes, I did pay up. He

1907
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: demanded it. Actually, I thought he was gonna let it slide.

1908
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: He was like, he was like pay it.

1909
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm like what like, I got love just not for you,

1910
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 2: not for you.

1911
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right. I want to bring up one

1912
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 1: storyline on this fight between Spence and Crawford because we've

1913
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: explored a bunch. We're gonna do a whole lot more

1914
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: on Thursday, so I don't want to belabor the point. Yeah,

1915
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: but you know what I noticed in the comments of

1916
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 1: the video that I made from Spence supporters, Namely they

1917
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: get there's this kind of talking point about this fight

1918
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 1: BC where it's like the genius Bud Crawford, which he is,

1919
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: against the more basic and simp Aerol Spence, which to

1920
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: an extent he is. But I didn't realize there are

1921
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people who think Spence is got like

1922
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: a basic game, but they don't let me just say this,

1923
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 1: but is more creative than Errol Spence in terms of

1924
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: his style. But I think, my personal opinion, there is

1925
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:28,759
Speaker 1: a profound lack of appreciation for the high IQ style

1926
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: that Errol Spence brings. People sleep on it because he

1927
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: does do a lot of sort of simple things, but

1928
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: the way in which he's able to overwhelm guys systematically,

1929
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: he makes good decisions constantly, he is beating them down.

1930
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: He is overwhelming them. But the cerebral nature of it,

1931
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: which I go into detail to show BC, I gotta

1932
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: tell you, even from Spence supporters, there is a lack

1933
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: of recognition about it. I wonder if that might change

1934
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: on Saturday, win or lose.

1935
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 2: It absolutely has the potential to do that, you know,

1936
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: depending on how the fight plays out and if you

1937
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 2: need a remind. Well, while he walked through Ugus last

1938
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,440
Speaker 2: year to unify titles in such a brazen and deliberate

1939
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: way that I can understand people maybe saying that because

1940
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 2: we have seen different versions of Spence, the Spence that

1941
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 2: ft Sean Porter was in some ways a reckless Spence

1942
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 2: who was trying to prove a point there physically the

1943
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: guy against who you know, the version against Hugas was

1944
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 2: a train. But go back to that pay per view debut,

1945
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 2: that version of Spence against unbeaten Mikey Garcia, who came

1946
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 2: in top ten pound for pound, ranking three division champion,

1947
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:37,759
Speaker 2: and Spence was absolutely sick of hearing people say, how's

1948
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 2: Errol gonna look against a slicker boxer than him? And

1949
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,560
Speaker 2: what did he do that fight? He purposely lingered on

1950
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 2: the outside to prove that he can completely outshine and

1951
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 2: outclass Mikey and basically go untouched, and doing so it

1952
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 2: didn't lead to the most exciting pay per view result

1953
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: from an action standpoint, although Spence did finally seemed to

1954
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 2: go for the finish in the twelfth round. It just

1955
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 2: showed the com complete game that he does have, which

1956
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 2: you do need to remember when matching these two up.

1957
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 2: They both can fight any style and win any way. Yes,

1958
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 2: the natural comparison is more of the bulldozer orthodox style

1959
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 2: and a southpaw body and Spence against the abstract painter Crawford.

1960
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, don't sleep on that. The point I wanted

1961
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 2: to bring up then maybe no one's talking about, but

1962
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 2: I am wondering about it. Luke, is we have more

1963
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: or less an automatic rematch clause? Not really, It's a

1964
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: bilateral one which means either fight or winner or lose afterwards.

1965
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 2: Can say I want a second date, you'd have to

1966
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 2: already believe no matter what, especially if this first one

1967
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 2: commercially this first fight lives up to the financial potential

1968
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 2: and crossover potential and obviously the inering theater potential, it's

1969
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 2: very likely we get a second one. But how does

1970
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 2: that knowledge affect it. It can go either way. I

1971
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 2: do think, for example, the Hainy versus Cambosa's two fight series,

1972
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 2: the first fight had a negative effect in my opinion,

1973
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 2: because everyone knew that we were getting a rematch if

1974
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 2: George wanted it, no matter what the second time. What

1975
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: am I trying to say. I'm trying to say that

1976
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 2: I think George Campbos has got to a point in

1977
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 2: the first Haini fight we realized he couldn't win it

1978
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 2: with his A game, So why risk getting knocked out

1979
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 2: with his B and C game if he's gonna get

1980
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 2: a second chance at it. I wonder, Luke, if that'll

1981
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 2: be the opposite effect in this one, where if this

1982
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 2: is a close fight like we expect it to be

1983
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 2: heading into the championship rounds, if there's just more of

1984
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 2: a natural idea of you know what, fuck it, I'm

1985
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,839
Speaker 2: going for it, I'm going after it. One, that's their makeup.

1986
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 2: It seems like both spencon Crawford to begin with. But two,

1987
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 2: there's sort of that built in safety net if you

1988
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 2: go for it and come up short and make a

1989
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 2: mistake or whatever you do potentially get a second big

1990
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 2: chance at it. If they run it back a rematch.

1991
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: Do you think that has any effect on the styles?

1992
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 2: I mean, like we've waited for this fight for five years.

1993
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't expect necessarily that to affect both fighters. But

1994
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 2: do you think it could have a positive or negative effect?

1995
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure what

1996
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: to say about that. I don't really thought that's interesting.

1997
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 1: You bring it up at really thought about that. You

1998
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: stumped me. I don't know. I don't have a good response.

1999
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: What do you think?

2000
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 2: You know? I ultimately I don't think it really matters

2001
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 2: between these two. I think they're you know, it's like

2002
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 2: it's cool, Like I love how much they're both bringing

2003
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:16,759
Speaker 2: up the old school nature of this fight. How Spence.

2004
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 2: You know, Spence is basically saying I have to go

2005
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 2: through him to win, and I certainly appreciate and agree

2006
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 2: with that. But I also know Bud. And even though

2007
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:28,520
Speaker 2: Bud can like, if somebody's gonna win this fight technically

2008
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 2: with with with not a ton of excitement, who's more

2009
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 2: likely to do It's probably more likely to be Crawford.

2010
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 2: But just the same, Luke, what is Crawford proven throughout

2011
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 2: his career that once he's figured you out, he becomes

2012
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 2: the bully, he becomes the stalker, he becomes the finisher.

2013
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 2: I think inevitably the second half of this fight is

2014
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 2: gonna be bad, shit awesome, and it's gonna be streaking

2015
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 2: into a second one as long as we don't get

2016
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 2: the high jinks of a of what we declare to

2017
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 2: be a bunk decision in the moment. Would you agree

2018
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 2: with me that maybe, outside of leading into the second

2019
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 2: Triple G Canello fight, I don't remember a fight where

2020
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 2: this many people are like guaranteed that this is going

2021
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 2: to live up to and exceed the entertainment expectations because

2022
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 2: of the way that these two great fighters are wired.

2023
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't. I mean people have wondered, like, oh,

2024
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,719
Speaker 1: is this going to be a cerebral contest? Dude? Maybe early,

2025
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 1: maybe early, you know, But Errol Spence's whole style is

2026
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,560
Speaker 1: just built. I mean, it's kind of funny that he

2027
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 1: is like he's he doesn't really it's not telegraphing because

2028
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: everybody knows it. But the point I'm trying to make

2029
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: is his whole style is based on just absolutely clubbing you.

2030
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really what he does. Like he just

2031
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: gets out there and just beats you like with a baton,

2032
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and people just kind

2033
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: of wilton relent, Like if you go to that Ugas fight, dude,

2034
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: he just won't stop. He just won't stop, moving him,

2035
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: hurting him, pushing him, pulling him, turning him, punching him,

2036
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: moving him, turning him, like over and over and over

2037
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 1: and over again. Yeah, I don't see. I mean, maybe

2038
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: early won't figure this out. But by the end that fight, dude,

2039
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 1: that's going to be They're going to come out of

2040
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: that one rough shape. I feel like rough shape.

2041
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 2: They're gonna fight for greatness. They are going to fight

2042
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 2: for greatness. And when you feel like ahead of a

2043
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 2: big fight that you feel that to be true, that

2044
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 2: there's nothing going to hold them back from breaking through

2045
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 2: to try to win it, regardless of what happens the

2046
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 2: first two thirds of this fight. I think this is

2047
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 2: one of those fights, Luke, and you know, we'll have

2048
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 2: to see because the most recent Spence is used to

2049
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 2: putting on extreme mental fatigue and pressure by constantly being

2050
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,719
Speaker 2: on you. What if that doesn't work against somebody like Crawford,

2051
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 2: who's such a great mover, so smart. I mean, so

2052
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 2: many parts of this within the x's and o's over

2053
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 2: the x's and o's, Luke, that are going to dictate

2054
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 2: who wins and how fun this will be. But this

2055
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 2: is a slam dunk.

2056
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 1: This is the fight.

2057
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:44,639
Speaker 2: This is it, Luke. There's the biggest fights ince Mayweather

2058
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 2: Pac Yah in terms of critical calling and stakes, and

2059
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 2: I think it's also going to be a monster crossover

2060
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 2: events could be everything we want more and maybe it

2061
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 2: is arriving just in time.

2062
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: All right, there you have it. Let's move this along

2063
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: if we can. Those are our top five topics. Now

2064
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 1: let's get into the questions from you guys. Time for

2065
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 1: dms from dogs. Let's do it out of mom pump.

2066
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 2: All right, BC, we've got men a ningitis, Luke. Yeah.

2067
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: Question number one from It's not cage Fighting? Which UK

2068
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: city outside of London should the UFC go to next?

2069
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: PSBC Dublin is not in the UK. Yes, Northern Ireland

2070
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: is in the UK. The Republic of Ireland is not.

2071
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: I mean, shouldn't we go to glass Cow now for

2072
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 2: Paul Craig versus bon Nickel and a fight night main event? Luke?

2073
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 2: Are you done with that? Uh?

2074
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 1: Not for that fight?

2075
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 2: But all right, where do you want to go Birmingham, Cardiff, Luke,

2076
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 2: the Jordie Shore.

2077
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: Cardiff is cool, Cardiff is cool, Manchester's School, Liverpool. They've

2078
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: been to a lot of them, you know, I guess that.

2079
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 1: Have they ever been to Belfast? I guess a long

2080
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: time ago? Maybe Northern Ireland?

2081
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 2: Well, I guess that is in the UK.

2082
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: I guess, yes, that would be in the UK Belfast.

2083
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 2: How many times have they been to Southern Ireland?

2084
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: You mean Ireland? Uh?

2085
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 2: Maybe they should go to the Isle of man Luke.

2086
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 1: Isle of Maam. Yeah, I don't know. I don't have,

2087
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: like I'm not a UK fan and I don't have

2088
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 1: like a strong opinion about which place they should go to.

2089
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 2: Looks like spoiler alert. I don't care if anybody in

2090
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 2: all those countries live or die.

2091
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right here, they live or die, all right?

2092
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: BC From point number two from AOPW underscore figures. Would

2093
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: it be a better fit to do away with the

2094
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: Contender series and make those fight nights with no star power,

2095
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: keep them on Tuesdays and save Saturday nights for more

2096
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 1: seasoned fights BCE, what do you think?

2097
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 2: Wait, so make me understand this. They want to do

2098
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 2: away with the Tuesday night Contender series, right, but use.

2099
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: Those Yeah, so what if you do away with the

2100
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 1: Contender series and make those fight nights with no star power,

2101
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 1: keep them on Tues hope, So you'd have you'd have

2102
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: no Contender series, but you would still have Tuesday night fights.

2103
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 1: You would call those fight nights, and then the Saturday

2104
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: night fight would just be the better ones. I guess.

2105
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 2: Oh see, I thought he was saying, instead of having

2106
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,799
Speaker 2: a Dana Wait Contender series, you would fill the normal

2107
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 2: fight night carts with some of the exciting arrivals that

2108
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 2: normally would main event the DWCS, and that would improve

2109
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 2: the quality of the fight nights. I'm not really sure

2110
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,560
Speaker 2: what they're asking. Maybe you understand it.

2111
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think I don't. I don't

2112
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 1: mind the Contender series for what it is. I just

2113
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 1: want them to be a little bit more selective when

2114
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 1: they do it. Also, like not that they're worried about

2115
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 1: the gate on Tuesday, but you know you're not going

2116
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 1: to get maximum amount of people watching. It's for the

2117
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: hardcores in general. So just be a better Contender series.

2118
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a different thing, right all right?

2119
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2120
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: From question number three, Cole underscore Brown eight five eight.

2121
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: Who do you believe is going to have the most

2122
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: trouble with the altitude of UFC to nine. We haven't

2123
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 1: even talked about that. That's a good point, right. You

2124
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: gotta hope guys like Patta and Lewis showed up in

2125
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City early, right, heavyweights. Well, in the case

2126
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 1: of Lewis, do you think this.

2127
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 2: Will affect the light heavyweights at all, Luke?

2128
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: They are big men if it goes long, yes, yes,

2129
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: the altitude is real.

2130
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,719
Speaker 2: Look, it's a factor. I don't think you FC should

2131
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 2: avoid these high altitude places. I think it's just part

2132
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 2: of the deal, Luke. So it's a factor. So does

2133
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 2: do you think that will alter styles to go for

2134
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 2: go harder for finishes early.

2135
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: Or should ether facilitate people going early or it will

2136
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 1: just make for bad fights late? Right? Yeah?

2137
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 2: I think we should be we should be on heart

2138
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 2: attack alert, like they'll be competing these fights under data

2139
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 2: versus kimbo rules, Luke, first first one's heart to stop loses.

2140
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 1: Yes, the death chair, the deathbed rule all right? From

2141
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 1: Vola Jerry, I don't know if MMA journalism stops being

2142
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 1: your north star, what do you both take on after

2143
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: this career path is over. Jesus, Well, yeah, I'm.

2144
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 2: Working on this second career path.

2145
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 1: Luke.

2146
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 2: That's a you know call in fights for a living.

2147
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,680
Speaker 2: It's it's a great career path. So but you know,

2148
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think. I mean, look, you never

2149
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 2: know what life's gonna bring. And you know, if you

2150
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 2: look back over most people's career arc, over the journey

2151
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 2: of their working years, you know how many times do

2152
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,720
Speaker 2: you end up being forced to reinvent yourself or you know,

2153
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 2: you take on something as a small side project and

2154
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 2: you find a love and passion and suddenly you're there.

2155
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Luke, when you were a Washington speech writer,

2156
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 2: would you have believed it if I told you that

2157
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 2: you would be the co host of the best damn

2158
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 2: combat sports show period one day?

2159
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 1: No, I would never have believed I'd end up here

2160
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 1: all right right now.

2161
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 2: If you said, BC, what do you feel like you're

2162
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 2: gonna be forty five years old tomorrow, what do you

2163
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:38,560
Speaker 2: think the next twenty years of your career would be?

2164
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 2: I would say, I'm gonna be calling live boxing matches

2165
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 2: and hopefully I'll be doing something like this on the

2166
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 2: side that that is fun as shit and I can

2167
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 2: connect with the audience and stay viable in the industry.

2168
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 2: But could I be selling insurance in ten years, Luke,

2169
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 2: I guess I don't hope not. You have anything else

2170
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 2: you want to do with your life? I think that's

2171
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 2: the real question. Do you have any other man?

2172
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: You know? I would love to just be rich and

2173
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, move to an island somewhere, but that ain't

2174
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: in the card.

2175
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 2: So you know, would you ever have a political podcast? Yesterdor?

2176
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:14,760
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. People won't have asked me

2177
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 1: about that before. No, I don't, I don't, I don't.

2178
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight those battles. No, not really anyway.

2179
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 1: All right, last, but not least that boy Ulo, I

2180
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: don't know that everybody knows you lo To someone who

2181
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 1: doesn't watch much boxing, what would be the current mm

2182
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 1: equivalent of Spence Crawford? There really isn't one, BC.

2183
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 2: But what do you think Some people have DM me

2184
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 2: and said, hey, should I look at this like I

2185
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 2: did Vulk versus Islam? I mean, I guess from a

2186
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 2: pound for pound critical standing, yes, but in this case

2187
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 2: it's not somebody moving up a division to try first

2188
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, another title it's two guys that have been

2189
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 2: the stars of this division for the last five years,

2190
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 2: and now we're finally aligned to make it happen. I

2191
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 2: don't know if there's an actual equivalent, see Luke, but

2192
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 2: from a critical ability level, Volt versus Islam is comparable.

2193
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 1: Volt versus Islam because that's like one versus two, right,

2194
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: But they're different because it's different weight classes. People weren't

2195
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 1: trying to put them together for very long, you know

2196
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like this has been a fight that's

2197
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 1: been literally years in the making, so it's different in

2198
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: that regard. I don't think there is an equivalent. I really,

2199
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,560
Speaker 1: there's no there's no there's nothing quite like it.

2200
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, just enjoy it. Just enjoy Saturday, right, Justine.

2201
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 2: You think people are going to have parties where they

2202
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 2: have both pay per views on both screens, Luke.

2203
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: MM fans and boxing fans are largely pretty different. Maybe

2204
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 1: maybe some maybe Dana.

2205
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 2: That'd be pretty badass. Mikey says one of his friends

2206
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 2: is doing that, but he's also a box trainer. Luke,

2207
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 2: how much THHC do you think he'll be consumed at

2208
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 2: at Mikey's friends party?

2209
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: Oh? Half of the entire quantity available in the state

2210
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:10,799
Speaker 1: of Florida.

2211
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 2: Mikey's like, I'll be working with you guys.

2212
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 1: Of course you will, thank your sober I don't know.

2213
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 2: Of course he will. He's a true professional. That's the ship,

2214
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 2: that's all. That's all. That's the DMS. It's done right.

2215
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 1: He hostes time for boys.

2216
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 2: All right. I scoured the globe yesterday and what I

2217
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 2: was looking for, Luke, was the good, the bad, the

2218
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 2: ugly in combat sports, the highs and lows in between.

2219
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 2: You know of elderly people getting hurt, and you know,

2220
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 2: probably a few dicks in the wild. This one's called

2221
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 2: have you seen this ship?

2222
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 1: Half else?

2223
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 3: Uh?

2224
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 2: Luke? UFC London gave us no shortage of inappropriate comments.

2225
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 2: Here's Paul Craig talking about why his beard is so fantastic.

2226
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 2: Someone said, do you use on your beer? They wanted

2227
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 2: to know, how do you have such alicious beer? It's

2228
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 2: because you're a fucking real man.

2229
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: When it comes to you, man, there's nothing but female juicies.

2230
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

2231
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 2: I thought that's what you were gonna say. I don't

2232
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:22,720
Speaker 2: know if we're allowed to react to that, Luke.

2233
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm surprised that one made it through the censors,

2234
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:26,520
Speaker 1: but there goes our modernization.

2235
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on on uh, mister sperm count there, Paul crab,

2236
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 2: I mean that guy's just living. He's living a great life.

2237
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't think that's in any way

2238
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:37,479
Speaker 1: false for him, but I cannot say that that's the

2239
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: way it works for me.

2240
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 2: Is that why I've never been able to grow a

2241
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 2: good beer?

2242
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 1: Apparently?

2243
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2244
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, Luke. Speaking of inappropriate UFC moments, Patty Pimble

2245
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 2: did a Q and A. Here's this fans.

2246
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:58,360
Speaker 1: Response is, have you money shucked? You? Do?

2247
01:44:58,439 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 2: You know?

2248
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 3: Molly's a lesbian loved Oh I'm sorry? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2249
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,599
Speaker 3: Molly's a lesbians He's got a fiance that I'm maliath

2250
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you so much.

2251
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2252
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you know I'm in I'm living in glasshouses.

2253
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 2: I think I made that joke once ineffectively on this

2254
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 2: show too. So who am I? Luke? But that guy

2255
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 2: just packed up his ship went home after that question, you.

2256
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: Know, dude. And there's a look on his face after

2257
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 1: he does it, like like he thinks he nailed it.

2258
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

2259
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 2: He didn't nail it, didn't.

2260
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 1: I was like, Dude, that's the worst question I think

2261
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: I've ever heard.

2262
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that happens. Hey, summer training camp continues, Luke

2263
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 2: for some of the combat sports biggest names. Let's go

2264
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 2: over to Nate Diaz preparing for Jake Paul August fifth

2265
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,760
Speaker 2: doing it my Orga style. Luke, your thoughts.

2266
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:52,600
Speaker 1: With the old cigarette, I think that's I mean, you

2267
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 1: can let him do it right because you know he's

2268
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 1: going to be in shape. I mean, whatever else you

2269
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 1: want to say, he's going to be in shape, don't.

2270
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:02,640
Speaker 2: Isn't the Texas Boxing Commission outlaw of weed. Luke like,

2271
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 2: We're fine with corrupt decisions and bad referee interference in Texas,

2272
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:07,679
Speaker 2: but we're not gonna allow you to get high.

2273
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:09,840
Speaker 1: You know that's right, That's right, Yes, that's right.

2274
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 2: Yes, Rip Gaiale Van Hoy people, people that know they know.

2275
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 2: Canelo is also staying ready ahead of his October thirtieth

2276
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 2: showdown with Jamel Charlow. Let's listen in on Big Red.

2277
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 2: Let me I don't ready because I want ready. Dude,

2278
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 2: I love it. He's like talking that shees on motherfuckers. Uh.

2279
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 2: But Luke, as we already knew about Canelo and staying ready. Uh,

2280
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 2: let's go back to twenty thirteen, that the weekend you

2281
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 2: and I met in Las Vegas, Mayweather Canelo. Do you

2282
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 2: think Big Red was ready that night? Are you ready?

2283
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 1: I was born ready Ready, I was born ready.

2284
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 2: What people don't know is that's actually it's very a

2285
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:04,799
Speaker 2: SoundBite from the way, and Canelo stopped speaking English publicly

2286
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 2: after that because of how many people made fun of

2287
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 2: that moment. I was born ready, my kid. Look, I

2288
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 2: say that so often around the house that my kids

2289
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 2: and wife. If I like, you ready to go, They're like,

2290
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,560
Speaker 2: I was born ready, Canilo? Right? Yeah, Like it's like

2291
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 2: it's like a gag. I was Yeah, there you go?

2292
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 2: All right? Hey, Luke plenty, are real recognizing reel this week?

2293
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 2: This is gonna make you very e wrecked. How about

2294
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 2: backstage in Miami or maybe right on the side of

2295
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 2: the field here, Messy and Lee Brown, Luke your thoughts?

2296
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 1: Hey, man? What can I say?

2297
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean Luke, Yeah, I know you and Ariel

2298
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 2: been banging the soccer drums that Messy delivered the greatest

2299
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 2: moment in soccer history the other night in Miami. Do

2300
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 2: you want to you need to? You need to take

2301
01:47:57,160 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 2: things out here. Do you need to do? You have

2302
01:47:58,760 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 2: anything you need to do?

2303
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 1: Luke? No, No, I'm good. I'm good. Sorry, No, I'm good.

2304
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 2: I was talking about your love for that moment, that

2305
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 2: messy game.

2306
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't know. I'm not. I never was

2307
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 1: a big messy guy. But that that that goal he

2308
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 1: had is that was pretty special, dude, that was pretty nice.

2309
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 1: I've to admit MLS must have been popping champagne bottles.

2310
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 2: It was a big moment. It was not quite Landon

2311
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 2: Donovan that time in Germany. Luke, you know what I'm

2312
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 2: talking about, Johnny.

2313
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: It was the one he got over Algeria and like

2314
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: stoppage time right.

2315
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like twenty twelve, that was a great look.

2316
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 2: I was dancing on my couch. I actually cared about

2317
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 2: soccer for five minutes there, Looke. Imagine if you're like

2318
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:40,799
Speaker 2: me and you live in Connecticut and on the weekend,

2319
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 2: you take your family out to a state park and

2320
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 2: you walk by a river, and then these two bastards

2321
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 2: are recognizing real right in there, Luke, these two need

2322
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:53,719
Speaker 2: a bromance spinoff b cop movie because Poeton and Glover

2323
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 2: just lovefing around.

2324
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, just just drowned this man just drowning.

2325
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 2: I mean that if you, if you could survive getting

2326
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 2: drowned by Glover to share, you could probably beat you

2327
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 2: on Blohovich.

2328
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I wouldn't. I mean, these two

2329
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 1: are like brothers, right, I mean that's what it sort

2330
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 1: of feels like.

2331
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 2: They buy each other motorcycles. I love seeing this. I

2332
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 2: love it. Shout out to Connecticut man. We got some

2333
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, we got some great people over here, Luke

2334
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 2: for combat. But let's go to the regional combat sports

2335
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:25,200
Speaker 2: scene where Luke, as you know, anything can happen. Here's

2336
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 2: your boxing KO of the week.

2337
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've seen this one a few times. I mean

2338
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 1: it just Jesus, dude, he just implode. He did the

2339
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 1: old backwards foot thing. He just implodes, you know.

2340
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pack that up. Wow, that'll cost you extra

2341
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:47,720
Speaker 2: on spare airlines to bring that baggage with you, Luke.

2342
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 2: But uh hey, watch this MMA fighter on the right

2343
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:53,560
Speaker 2: faking a leg injury. Luke. Now it didn't go his

2344
01:49:53,640 --> 01:50:00,600
Speaker 2: way though. Ooh ooh in a here's that he was

2345
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 2: faking some type of injury to draw out his opponent. Oh,

2346
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 2: his opponent drew it out, Luke.

2347
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: Oh that was weird, dude. Russian MMA is like uniquely violent,

2348
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:16,799
Speaker 1: even among MMA highlights.

2349
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 2: Yes, look, you want to see the best stoppage of

2350
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 2: the week in MMA. Watched this ref all right?

2351
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 1: Oh what was he doing? Was he chilling outside the cage?

2352
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, but he definitely was preventing more CD right

2353
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 2: there with that dive. I enjoyed that here. Oh, let's

2354
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 2: go over to FFC sixty four. Look. I don't have

2355
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,599
Speaker 2: this guy's name, but the guy in the main event

2356
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 2: blew out his knee before the start quite even started there.

2357
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 2: It is Miguel Javali. Y'all.

2358
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:56,040
Speaker 1: His nickname is el Chevide. Chevidey in Colombian Spanish means

2359
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 1: like cool, mister, that's not cool.

2360
01:50:58,439 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 2: That's not cool cool.

2361
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, but that's.

2362
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:04,680
Speaker 2: Canceled, No, yeah, mana, then canceled there it is. It's

2363
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 2: like Gus Farratt ramming his head into the wall for

2364
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:08,800
Speaker 2: the commanders, Luke, you remember those days?

2365
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:13,839
Speaker 1: Wait for the commander? Oh yeah, do you remember.

2366
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 2: When Redskins quarterback Gus Farrot headbutted the wall against the

2367
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 2: Giants and then he got concussed. Yeah you remember. Let's

2368
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 2: go over to the regional scene to tighten. FC eighty

2369
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 2: three heavyweight Luis Hernandez scored a one second ko.

2370
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what. I think topology said they

2371
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 1: were going to record it as three seconds, so it's

2372
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 1: really not one, but it's kind of one. Yeah.

2373
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, look right off this bang bang bang. All right, Luke,

2374
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 2: it's uh, check out this amateur wrestling result here. Watch

2375
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 2: this guy get up off the bleachers. That's unfortunate.

2376
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:02,720
Speaker 1: Oh what the hell did he just slip on the clothes? Yeah?

2377
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 2: I think he did, Luke. That's I don't know if

2378
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 2: he was able to continue there.

2379
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he I don't think he was going

2380
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: to wrestle that match.

2381
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 2: Well, all right, well it's time for some dicks in

2382
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,920
Speaker 2: the wild, just the same, Luke. You can get this

2383
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:14,320
Speaker 2: at your local coffee stop in DC. It's called the

2384
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 2: h Cock Latte Extra Shaft. Luke.

2385
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, this guy needs a circumcision.

2386
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:27,120
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, look, let's let's go out to the

2387
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 2: national park scene. I always telling my kids in national

2388
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 2: parks it's like nature's playground. Well, Luke, here's here's what

2389
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:41,320
Speaker 2: they call natural pornography. Your thoughts, Yeah, that's a dick there,

2390
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,639
Speaker 2: it is the other unit on that guy. All right,

2391
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 2: all right over to the golf range here, watch this, fan, Luke.

2392
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 2: This is why they have ropes to keep people behind it.

2393
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: Just setting his package on top of that. Just let

2394
01:52:55,439 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 1: this rope hole my fan. We're all right aditized for sure,

2395
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: for sure, it's.

2396
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:06,120
Speaker 2: Time to rate that tat, Luke, your favorite. Let's go

2397
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 2: over to Charles de bronks oli Vera rounding out his

2398
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 2: tach game by adding this on the neck.

2399
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:20,880
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, it's a lot. He's put on a lot

2400
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 1: of tattoos in short order. Have you noticed that I have?

2401
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 1: Are you he's just rapidly filling in the spaces?

2402
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 2: Are you gonna rip on his mister Hebus inspired tattoo

2403
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 2: on tatee or are you okay with that? What he's

2404
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 2: doing for his family?

2405
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 1: There a couple of them, look okay, I can't quite

2406
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:38,559
Speaker 1: tell about some of the other ones. The little girl

2407
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 1: there on the left side of his chest the right

2408
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:42,719
Speaker 1: to us looks pretty good. I'm not so sure about

2409
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 1: the other ones.

2410
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on foot tats, Luke?

2411
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 1: Context depending okay, how.

2412
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 2: About Willie Wonka inspired foot tats?

2413
01:53:56,760 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean, here's what i'd say, if your feet look

2414
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 1: like this, this is a good idea. But that is hugely,

2415
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:05,759
Speaker 1: hugely frightening.

2416
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, dop eddie do. Anthony Smith added a new one

2417
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 2: to his leg, Luke. I don't think we ever played

2418
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 2: this on the show. Let's go over to factory towing

2419
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:15,599
Speaker 2: MMA's own.

2420
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:22,639
Speaker 1: It's like Paul Craig, right, Yeah, that's pretty good. Actually

2421
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 1: this is quite you would call something like neo traditional.

2422
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 1: That's actually really good and not I don't think quite

2423
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,760
Speaker 1: finished yet either, but still, yeah, there you go. Yeah,

2424
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 1: that's really good. That's really good. Is good?

2425
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 2: That is good. UFC fighter Daniel da Silva added a

2426
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 2: cool tat to his arm, Luke. Unfortunately he's zero and

2427
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:41,480
Speaker 2: four in the octagon, so we may not see him again.

2428
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:42,600
Speaker 2: But what do you think of this armwork?

2429
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, man, I'm not a fan of

2430
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 1: the Spartan stuff.

2431
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but those collars pop.

2432
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:53,480
Speaker 1: Look at that sort of sort of I'm not a

2433
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 1: big I mean, okay, personally, I'm not a fan of green.

2434
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't think green does. I mean, I think in

2435
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 1: moderation it can look all right. Also, that shields a

2436
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,480
Speaker 1: little bit wonky because of its placement on the crook

2437
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:05,680
Speaker 1: of the elbow, you know. And he's got a lot

2438
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 1: of white as like drawing borders, which can be a

2439
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a dice eat like, for example, the

2440
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 1: helmet at the shoulder is nice, like the helmet at

2441
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: the elbow. It is not my favorite, but you know,

2442
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 1: happy with it.

2443
01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 2: I like it a lot. I'd get that exact tattoo

2444
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 2: on my arm if I could go to sleep first

2445
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't hurt Luke.

2446
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Luke.

2447
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:30,520
Speaker 2: You know the face of BKFC is is Britton Hart.

2448
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:32,840
Speaker 2: And she was down in Columbia. Have you ever been

2449
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 2: to Santiago Desklie? Luke?

2450
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 1: Uh, you mean Kylie the city?

2451
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, well she was and she even went tip

2452
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 2: to tip for us. She gotta be on Have you

2453
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 2: seen this? Shit?

2454
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 1: Wow? Look at that?

2455
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 2: Have you been there?

2456
01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 1: No, I've not been to Kyllie. Collie is the home

2457
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,160
Speaker 1: of salsa m.

2458
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 2: Well, touching tips just the same, Luke. Is this some

2459
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 2: kind of new TikTok trend that nobody's telling me about.

2460
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 2: We ran a clip like this last week. Let's go

2461
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 2: back to the ice cream shop. Medium vanilla soon, oh,

2462
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 2: not supposed to be chocolate? Oh?

2463
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what this trend is where people

2464
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:09,520
Speaker 1: are doing this.

2465
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 2: Well, it's getting deeper, this trend. Let's go out to

2466
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:17,000
Speaker 2: the outdoor restaurant. Oh if we don't want sourki moments, Oh,

2467
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'll take care of that.

2468
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I don't want the

2469
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 1: service when I show up to a place.

2470
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 2: We can pretty much log off soon. But let's go

2471
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 2: to live TV during this golf tournament one day. I

2472
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 2: want to be famous enough that I'll sign a man's

2473
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 2: ass on live TV.

2474
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 1: Luke, dude, what is happening back there?

2475
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 2: It looks like an autograph of some kind. Either that

2476
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 2: or is getting oil changed.

2477
01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:52,680
Speaker 1: What is happening back there?

2478
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:56,360
Speaker 2: Yikes? All right, uh, let's go back to a way

2479
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 2: would you eat?

2480
01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:57,320
Speaker 1: Luke?

2481
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 2: They I don't know if they sell this at your

2482
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,080
Speaker 2: local grosser, but it's pretty gross.

2483
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,600
Speaker 1: Dude. No, I'm good, I'm good. Thank you?

2484
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:10,440
Speaker 2: Do dogs not you're infused by mountain dew. I think

2485
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:13,120
Speaker 2: even I would avoid that at all costs. All right,

2486
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 2: over the over the bike path, please round this out.

2487
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:20,480
Speaker 2: Probably our worst batch. I probably want to shake him

2488
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 2: every week.

2489
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:33,280
Speaker 1: To take a spell. Yeah, there we go, get that

2490
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:35,840
Speaker 1: seat fixed at the right elevation, otherwise you're gonna be in.

2491
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:43,360
Speaker 2: It. Indeed, let's go to smoke him if you got

2492
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 2: him here. I've done this in a broken down car

2493
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:47,880
Speaker 2: in my friend's front yard a bunch of times, Luke.

2494
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:58,360
Speaker 2: In the nineties. PostScript, he died doing what he loved.

2495
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 1: Luke. That's the way I'm trying to go. Oh the

2496
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:02,320
Speaker 1: way I'm trying to go.

2497
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:06,760
Speaker 2: Uh, call out of the week. Did you hear that?

2498
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:09,200
Speaker 2: Rampage Jackson went on Aerial show and he's announcing a

2499
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:10,560
Speaker 2: comeback in the ufl.

2500
01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 1: Luke, I didn't. I didn't. Oh, sorry, skipped on.

2501
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:15,840
Speaker 2: I skipped one pause. Rampage. Let's go to the pool

2502
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 2: slide here things falling apart, Luke. They're probably the worst

2503
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:27,960
Speaker 2: segment ever invented. All right, there you go, there you go.

2504
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 2: That happened.

2505
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,520
Speaker 1: That's that's what you call justice.

2506
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:34,720
Speaker 2: Uh, Rampage Jackson wants to make a comeback. What do

2507
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 2: you think about this? For his opponent? Boy big tune,

2508
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 2: you remember me? I'm that dudes you lie to Memphis Tunes,

2509
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:42,440
Speaker 2: see about getting that bobs out? Fight?

2510
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 1: All right?

2511
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:44,880
Speaker 2: To do like pick on fat people.

2512
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:46,360
Speaker 1: Like Darryl scoonover.

2513
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you right now, son, I'm the king

2514
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:50,680
Speaker 2: of the fat people. And you already know that. That's

2515
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:52,280
Speaker 2: why you came up with your hat in your hands

2516
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 2: in Memphis, because you know who the real min South

2517
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 2: fighter is.

2518
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 1: It's me. It's not you, it's not bob Ou.

2519
01:58:58,200 --> 01:59:00,480
Speaker 2: I got my little brother right here to take care

2520
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:02,720
Speaker 2: of your son on the same card I heard you

2521
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:04,560
Speaker 2: was trying to get out of the game. You got

2522
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 2: to go through me first rampage you dunk. Mean when

2523
01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:10,640
Speaker 2: I was in Bellator, let's run it UFL five in December,

2524
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 2: Let's go Yeah, great the sun, Luke Quentin Jackson versus

2525
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:18,720
Speaker 2: Ben Parish in.

2526
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 1: Two thumbs up, two thumbs up, all in, Luke.

2527
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:26,480
Speaker 2: I never thought I could produce a batch of shit

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Speaker 2: that would make you this void of emotions. But I've

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Speaker 2: done that today. Okay.

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Speaker 1: You know what I haven't. I've been under a lot

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01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 1: of stress. I haven't eaten like a couple of days.

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01:59:34,760 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 1: My mind is uh, I'm struggling a little bit here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm struggling.

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Speaker 2: I can see that. I can see that. Well, maybe

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01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 2: this guy's feet will bring you back seeing at your

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Speaker 2: local gas station.

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Speaker 1: Holy what dude, who is this mutant?

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Speaker 2: I know people get upset at me, Luke, because I

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01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:55,720
Speaker 2: may not keep my toes up to the level that

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Speaker 2: some people expect. But this is just you know, you

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01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 2: have to question why this showed up our show to

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Speaker 2: be fair?

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, that is the most disgusting thing I've

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02:00:03,120 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 1: ever seen. And my feet are bad. That is a

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02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:07,760
Speaker 1: level of bad I can't even comprehend.

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Speaker 2: I never thought this segment would run its course loop,

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02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:11,280
Speaker 2: but I think it has here. But at least we

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Speaker 2: can close by breaking some wind here. How man, what

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Speaker 2: you think about this?

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Speaker 1: How do you know? How do you when you get

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Speaker 1: divorced and she shows this to the judge? What is

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02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 1: it you think is gonna happen to your finances? You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the that's the Yeah, that's that version.

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Speaker 1: We got another version of it here, lou judge is

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Speaker 1: gonna take all of it.

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Speaker 2: Let's close with this, gentleman.

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Speaker 1: Wow, wow, wow, that's a crime. That's by the way,

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Speaker 1: I at least keep my pants on. I'll put it

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02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 1: to you that way. I at least keep my pants on.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I never dutch of it.

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Speaker 1: Naked.

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Speaker 2: I have that kind of respect for my fan. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there you go. That's the ship for the final time, Luke.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a new segment next Monday. Thank you for playing.

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Speaker 1: Good job. You see, I'm sorry that I wasn't more

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Speaker 1: mentally alert. I'm having a little bit of a hard time.

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Speaker 1: You did a great job, just the same, ending on

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Speaker 1: farts and dicks. We're gonna lose our money just the same.

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Speaker 1: Let's remind everyone. Okay, So we have a big, big week.

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Speaker 1: We have let's see tomorrow Fulton in a way, right,

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02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:28,040
Speaker 1: we have Wednesday show, we have Thursday taking over the television.

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Speaker 1: We have Friday show, we have Saturday two post fight

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Speaker 1: shows Fulton in a way as well as of course

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Speaker 1: Spence Crawford will have on the location coverage for that

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Speaker 1: and again calling the prelimbs on Saturday, weigh ins on Friday.

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Speaker 1: It's a busy week, folks, It's a busy week. Buckle up, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right. Showtime dot Com is the label that pays

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02:01:48,360 --> 02:01:50,360
Speaker 1: Showtime dot Com get a thirty day free trophy like it.

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02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,480
Speaker 1: You can keep it. If not, you could pound sand

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Speaker 1: Let's see that's one. The other one is let's see

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Speaker 1: Morning Coombat dot store Morningcombat dot Store for all of

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Speaker 1: your needs Morning Coombat at gmail dot com if you

2585
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Speaker 1: need to reach the show and BC am I forgetting anything?

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02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:12,000
Speaker 1: Oh yes, the Errol Spence preview on Morning Coombat YouTube

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Morning Combat Errol Spence Scouting Report check

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Speaker 1: it out. Okay, there you go. You see any final thoughts?

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Speaker 2: Be there live local and late breaking tomorrow morning, right

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Speaker 2: after the eight a m. Eastern start of Fulton Versus

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Speaker 2: a New A on ESPN Plus. I'll be going live

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Speaker 2: with the BC Live Chad instant reaction, answer your questions

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02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:37,919
Speaker 2: out of this big fight week Tuesday morning, Birthday.

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Speaker 1: Be there.

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02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:40,280
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's all I got.

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Speaker 1: That's all.

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02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:42,520
Speaker 2: That's all I care. That's all I care about.

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Speaker 1: All right over there you have it, b see, great job.

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Speaker 1: Thank you one more time to the Mulka staff or

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Speaker 1: the turnaround on the Aerol Spence stuff. Think you did

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Speaker 1: the Malca staff for doing Oh yes, please tell me.

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Speaker 2: I commissioned a new painting and I wanted to get

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Speaker 2: your honest reaction on it all.

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Speaker 1: It looks like Jigsaw, like the guy from Saw.

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Speaker 2: It's uh, I don't know what it means. Luke but

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Speaker 2: it's uh, it's from my heart.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm glad you're finding an outlet for it. How

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Speaker 1: about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, I'll be I'll be doing a portrait

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Speaker 2: of you for my next.

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Speaker 1: One, please, I'd look. I look forward to seeing it

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02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:31,440
Speaker 1: will probably look just like one giant dick. You know,

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02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:35,000
Speaker 1: what can you do? It is what it is? All right?

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Speaker 1: Thumbs up on the video all that good stuff. BC

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Speaker 1: will see you tomorrow live in the morning at eight am.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Malka, thank you to CBS, thank you

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Speaker 1: to Showtime and everyone in between. We're back tomorrow, We're

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Speaker 1: back all week. We'll see you then and until then,

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Speaker 1: all of your gains be loyal. Did you see the

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Speaker 1: shirt