Speaker 1: Command is Family an extra special edition, a playoff edition
Speaker 1: of Next Man Up. Now we know our players are busy,
Speaker 1: they are locked in for the playoffs. However, our Next
Speaker 1: Man Up is going to be somebody that has a
Speaker 1: ton of experience, that's been there and done, that has
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls, one of the best Burgundy and Gold
Speaker 1: wide receivers to ever play the game. I hope you
Speaker 1: all enjoy this special edition Next Man Up.
Speaker 2: Commanded Fanning for our Next Man Up.
Speaker 1: We had to bring in extremely special legend for this
Speaker 1: last one. This is the last episode as we headed
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. But since we headed to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: we had to bring somebody to know a little bit
Speaker 1: about that two time Super Bowl champion, one of the
Speaker 1: best wide receivers to ever run that Burgundy and Gold,
Speaker 1: if not the best welcome you get, my guy, Jerry Clark, Gary,
Speaker 1: how you doing, brother.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I was looking for Art Monk. I mean,
Speaker 3: you're giving such a great introduction. I was looking for
Speaker 3: Art Monk that I was looking for Ricky Samders. I
Speaker 3: was looking for all those guys that were great receivers
Speaker 3: that were quite honestly one of the best in the
Speaker 3: Burgundy and.
Speaker 1: Go all three of you guys deserved that distinctions while
Speaker 1: to think that all three of you guys played together.
Speaker 2: We're going to get into that.
Speaker 1: But Gary, if you're not familiar, next minue that we
Speaker 1: liked talking about the man behind the helmet. So I
Speaker 1: want to start from the beginning with you, Gary, so
Speaker 1: we don't get to hear a lot from you, brother,
Speaker 1: So I want to take my time with this for
Speaker 1: to really talk to you. So let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Because you've had a Hall of Fame level career, and
Speaker 1: your career did not start. How many Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: level careers start. You actually started in the USFL when
Speaker 1: you started your pro career, correct.
Speaker 3: I did. I did as the Quite honestly, a lot
Speaker 3: of NFL players started in the USFL that came over.
Speaker 3: Steve Young, Reggie White, Kevin Bryan. They played for us
Speaker 3: as running back. I mean honestly, after the USFL folded,
Speaker 3: if you go and look, probably for the next five
Speaker 3: to six years, everybody going to the Pro Bowl, they're
Speaker 3: from the USFL. I mean. So they were doing a
Speaker 3: great job of still in college talent. I'm coming you know.
Speaker 3: They paid a little bit better than the NFL did,
Speaker 3: and the reason that I went there first because the
Speaker 3: Redskins Redskins at the time, they had my right. They
Speaker 3: drafted me as well in the supplemental draft, so they
Speaker 3: had my rights. But initially Washington wanted me to come
Speaker 3: in as a punt returner, kick returner, and maybe come
Speaker 3: in on third down as a receiver. And I won't
Speaker 3: trying to fill it. I don't mind returning punt some kicks,
Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, I want to
Speaker 3: be a receiver first and punt return kick return a second.
Speaker 3: And the USFL, I was a six pick in the draft,
Speaker 3: I kind of already knew I could do everything I
Speaker 3: want to do there. I can return punts, return kicks,
Speaker 3: and be the primary receiver on the team. And that's
Speaker 3: what I was able to do there in the USFL
Speaker 3: my rookie season.
Speaker 1: And then you decide to go to the Riskies and
Speaker 1: make that transition. What was that transition like going from
Speaker 1: the USFL to the NFL back then?
Speaker 3: Scary like anything else. You know, you come into the NFL,
Speaker 3: the National Football League, which is the league of course.
Speaker 3: I mean, hands downs always will be the top professional
Speaker 3: football league in the country, hands down, and I felt
Speaker 3: a little fear, so much so that I probably ran
Speaker 3: the fast forty yard dash that I ever ran in
Speaker 3: my lifetime on two strained hamstrings. I was like, if
Speaker 3: I don't run fast enough, they're going to send me home.
Speaker 3: So I was fortunate around like a four to three
Speaker 3: to two that day, and I had a chance to
Speaker 3: see great players on the team. I got to see
Speaker 3: Art Monk, Charlie Brown was a great receiver here for
Speaker 3: Washington at the time. They had another receiver, Kevin Muhammet,
Speaker 3: who was extremely fast receiver that they had on the
Speaker 3: time on the team. But I've always liked challenges, so
Speaker 3: to speak. I've always liked somebody telling me what I
Speaker 3: can't do. I'm that guy that plays with a chip
Speaker 3: on his shoulder. I like the chip on my shoulder.
Speaker 3: If I don't have one there, I'll put one there.
Speaker 3: I'll make one up. And that's the way that my
Speaker 3: whole career has been. Quite honesty. I've always been supposedly
Speaker 3: too small to play, too small to be a receiver.
Speaker 3: I'm going to get hurt and going to get this,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get that. So I used took all that
Speaker 3: information and utilize it as a chip to drive me
Speaker 3: to try to succeed at deposition. And nobody likes sitting
Speaker 3: on the bench. Nobody likes sitting on a bench, and
Speaker 3: especially me. I had never sat on the bench before.
Speaker 3: When I came to Washington my first four games, I
Speaker 3: believe I was a third receiver, which was fine, but
Speaker 3: I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Even though you have these big names there, you still
Speaker 1: have that chip and that confidence in yourself to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I belong on that field. I should
Speaker 1: be the number one guy, the number two guy. So
Speaker 1: you said this chip was on your shoulder forever? Does
Speaker 1: it just come on your shoulder from being a undersized receiver?
Speaker 1: Is that where that ship originally came from? Where would
Speaker 1: you say that came from?
Speaker 3: I think so, just because you know, because I was
Speaker 3: small when I first came into the league in Washington
Speaker 3: my rookie year, I weighed one hundred and fifty five
Speaker 3: pounds and five to nine one hundred and fifty five
Speaker 3: pounds right, which quite honestly, I thought it was fine.
Speaker 4: So you never know.
Speaker 3: But the Redskins said I did to put on some
Speaker 3: more muth so, so they got me in the weight room.
Speaker 3: D Boy did a good job. So I got up
Speaker 3: to one hundred and seventy four pounds my sophomore season,
Speaker 3: and I stayed at that for the rest of my
Speaker 3: career in the league. I say that a one hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy four pounds, but I felt fine in five
Speaker 3: nine quite honestly.
Speaker 2: Hey, and you looked good at five nine.
Speaker 1: I believe it got over nine hundred receiving yards just
Speaker 1: your rookie year, even though with all of those people
Speaker 1: that were already there, the talent that was already on
Speaker 1: the roster.
Speaker 2: When you look back at that rookie year, what did.
Speaker 1: You learn most about yourself as an NFL player playing
Speaker 1: alongside some of these greats learning through the NFL man, What.
Speaker 2: Did you take back from that?
Speaker 3: I mean, I was I was so fortunate because we
Speaker 3: had Art Monk there. Who is Art Monk? Hall of Famer,
Speaker 3: redskin glory, you know, and you thank deceivers, you think
Speaker 3: Charlie Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, Art Monk, because when you thank
Speaker 3: deceiver in terms of the resk and glory. So I
Speaker 3: was very fortunate that Art was there, and I was
Speaker 3: very fortunate I had Charlie Taylor as my coach because
Speaker 3: Charlie at the time. I mean, he was the best
Speaker 3: in resking history at the time, so you know, Art
Speaker 3: has not broke his record yet. So Charlie was the guy.
Speaker 3: So I'm learning from the best receiver has ever put
Speaker 3: on the Burgerdy and Gold at the time, and being
Speaker 3: able to see those guys and seeing the other players
Speaker 3: and knowing that I could fit in because we had
Speaker 3: a lot of NFL players in the USFL, and so
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of those players come over and
Speaker 3: I said, well, I do pretty good against those guys,
Speaker 3: so I should be able to do pretty good against
Speaker 3: these guys. And after my third or fourth day in
Speaker 3: training camp, quite honestly, mini camp, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can play with these guys, you know. And don't
Speaker 3: get me wrong, like our office was built around Art
Speaker 3: Monk my rookie season, because I mean he was a
Speaker 3: guy and he had just came out for like one hundred
Speaker 3: and six receptions. That was the first time I've ever
Speaker 3: been done in NFL history. And Art is the guy
Speaker 3: for the reason because he's the guy, you know. So
Speaker 3: my competitive nature, I want to be the guy. Just
Speaker 3: what it is like, I want to be the guy.
Speaker 3: And Ricky Sanders when he came here a year later.
Speaker 3: He wanted to be the guy. Art definitely wants to
Speaker 3: be the guy. So when you have that type of
Speaker 3: competitive nature but still pull for one another, that makes
Speaker 3: for a great threesome, quite honestly. And I was just
Speaker 3: I was just driven. Man. I don't like I don't
Speaker 3: like Louis in first and foremost in case stand to lose,
Speaker 3: there's nothing I remember. Don't get me wrong. You do
Speaker 3: learn from when you lose, You do learn from it.
Speaker 3: But I remember telling somebody I said, well, I'd rather
Speaker 3: be dumb because I don't want to I don't I
Speaker 3: don't want to lose. I'd rather be dumb than a
Speaker 3: that's the case. But of course I never went undefeated
Speaker 3: here in Washington. We had a chance to do that,
Speaker 3: but it didn't happen. But we had We should have
Speaker 3: ninety two, the ninety one season, we should have went undefeated.
Speaker 3: Definitely should have went undefeated. I'm still mad about that.
Speaker 3: I know it goes every time we talked. So let's
Speaker 3: talk about that season. You say you should have went
Speaker 3: undefeated in your opinion, what went wrong to make it
Speaker 3: so that you guys could not go undefeated? That.
Speaker 2: What do you think happened in that game where you
Speaker 2: guys took their loss.
Speaker 3: Well, we were feeling ourselves. That's the first mistake. Typically,
Speaker 3: it happens with everybody at some point in time, when
Speaker 3: you start thinking you're better than what you are. Typically
Speaker 3: somebody shows you on any given Sunday, you better be
Speaker 3: playing like you're playing. And that's what happened. Like they
Speaker 3: threw a hell Mary pass in the first half. The
Speaker 3: thing bounced to three people and the falls in the
Speaker 3: receiver's hand. I was like, are you kidding me? Are
Speaker 3: you kidding me? You take that away? We win that
Speaker 3: football game and we played the egos later on in
Speaker 3: the year and Joe pulled everybody kind of after the
Speaker 3: first half though I still ran in. I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't like to lose again. I don't want to
Speaker 3: lose see anybody, and we probably have been we should
Speaker 3: have went fifteen on one worst case scenario, but if
Speaker 3: Joe wouldn't have pulled everybody. But you know, he's the
Speaker 3: brains behind the system for a reason. You know, he
Speaker 3: don't make sure to get no players hurt, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's why Joe and Joe gives him my opinion
Speaker 3: is the greatest NFL coach you ever coached the game.
Speaker 1: Don't that anybody here would argue with you on that one.
Speaker 1: Back to Art Monks, you talk about that healthy competition.
Speaker 1: You got to say, you guys all wanted to be
Speaker 1: the best, but you're coming in as a rookie. Art
Speaker 1: Monk is your veteran. What did you learn from Warmo?
Speaker 1: Because you said there was that competition there, However, you
Speaker 1: guys all wanted each other to succeed.
Speaker 3: What did you learn from Art? Never like anything else?
Speaker 3: Like I shadowed him, Art turned around right behind him
Speaker 3: because I wanted to look at what the best receiver
Speaker 3: on the team was doing, you know, honestly, his work,
Speaker 3: his work ethics, his discipline. I mean, there's a reason
Speaker 3: why Art Monk was the top receiver in NFL history
Speaker 3: at one point in time until Jerry broke his record.
Speaker 3: His work ethic, it was unbelievable. Like Art is the
Speaker 3: one that got me and Ricky going to George Mason
Speaker 3: University to run the hills. I had my own workout program,
Speaker 3: but Art took us to another level with his workout
Speaker 3: program that he was doing, you know, and he didn't
Speaker 3: it wasn't like he was asking us if he wanted
Speaker 3: to do it. He was telling us we were going
Speaker 3: to do it, which also tells you his leadership, because
Speaker 3: he's a man of few words, as we all know,
Speaker 3: and he was the type of guy's or touchdown, she
Speaker 3: just left the ball drop been there. It's like, I
Speaker 3: act like you've been there before. I didn't really do
Speaker 3: that that often. I had never done that before. But
Speaker 3: Art Monk, I mean, I mean, he is. He is
Speaker 3: truly one of the best receivers in Reskin history without
Speaker 3: a doubt. I mean, I'm a big fan of Charlie
Speaker 3: Taylor and Bobby Mitchell, and but they have to put
Speaker 3: Art in that same conversation for sure.
Speaker 1: And since we're talking about Art, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: posse a little bit. In nineteen eighty nine, y'all became
Speaker 1: the second trio for all three of you guys to
Speaker 1: surpass one thousand receiving yards. That has been done a
Speaker 1: few times since, but y'all were the second to ever
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: When you look back.
Speaker 1: At that, did you guys know in the moment what
Speaker 1: you guys were doing or y'all just playing ball?
Speaker 3: Well, were definitely playing ball. You know, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, they didn't hand this the keys until
Speaker 3: mid season because we always was a run first, throw,
Speaker 3: throw second team. That's what we allay. If we had
Speaker 3: really go to start off with, then we had George Rogers,
Speaker 3: you know, but at some point Tom Joe, well he
Speaker 3: is he's a great manager of the game and manager
Speaker 3: of the team and understanding what's taking place. So once
Speaker 3: he gave us the keys, first of all, we started
Speaker 3: winning games. Who ran off for like six or seven
Speaker 3: in r row and we were the second trio, but
Speaker 3: with the first that had three wide receivers do it
Speaker 3: because typically, you know, at that point in time, like
Speaker 3: typically had one really good receiver, you had a second
Speaker 3: receiver that would put up like half the numbers. But
Speaker 3: when you had three three receivers to catching seventy or
Speaker 3: more balls, you know, like, actually, aren't And Ricky called
Speaker 3: eighty balls that year. Eighty balls that year all went
Speaker 3: over a grand I called seventy nine. I was close
Speaker 3: that last game. I was right there in front of
Speaker 3: He should have thrown.
Speaker 2: Me the ball.
Speaker 3: I was right there in front of a man. Just
Speaker 3: tell me the five yards I get the five.
Speaker 5: Yards, Just give me, Just give me this eighty I
Speaker 5: eighty remember already.
Speaker 3: Not that I'm mad about it anything. I'm not sad
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure I mean, be honest, Gary, be honest, right.
Speaker 1: That has to be like a little something right because again, yes,
Speaker 1: you want your your partners to do well. Yes, you
Speaker 1: guys are all ready for each other. But again you
Speaker 1: want to be the best. They want to be the best.
Speaker 1: That stick with you a little bit. Not being able
Speaker 1: to get past that eighty.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was like, there he running scrambling, I'm
Speaker 3: in front of him. Who's gonna be a better receiver
Speaker 3: after the catching me in a quarterback?
Speaker 2: Be better?
Speaker 5: Rip, you're not going get Just tell me a little
Speaker 5: five year fad. Even if I just gotta got capling
Speaker 5: five yards. This had the eighty. We won the football game,
Speaker 5: which is always the most important part.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm talking to you, man, because there is
Speaker 1: no body more competitive than you. Of man, that is
Speaker 1: great to hear because you are so competitive. So let
Speaker 1: me ask the competitor you got.
Speaker 2: The shades on? Man, I feel like I got you.
Speaker 1: You mentioned it, and I'm glad you mentioned it for him,
Speaker 1: because again, the trio that y'all were all receivers that
Speaker 1: have not been done yet. So let me ask you,
Speaker 1: horses mount himself. Are y'all the best wide receiver trio
Speaker 1: in the NFL style?
Speaker 3: You don't have to finish the statement. I mean you
Speaker 3: knew I was going with it. I mean, like pick
Speaker 3: your poison at the end of the day, because you know,
Speaker 3: when you got great receivers on the team, for example,
Speaker 3: Terry for Washington, great receiver, like Unbelievablet's go to break
Speaker 3: everybody's record, just going to he's just going to write,
Speaker 3: but he wants the ball. You got to give him
Speaker 3: the ball. It's just what it's going to be, you know.
Speaker 3: But he gets doubled. So what we looked at and
Speaker 3: we're all with this way, if you didn't double us,
Speaker 3: we took it as an insult. If I ain't get
Speaker 3: double team, you would single man. You lose. You're not
Speaker 3: gonna win that bad. You just gotta hope I dropped
Speaker 3: the ball. That's all you got do. You just hope
Speaker 3: I dropped the ball. Because you're not covering Ricky Sanders,
Speaker 3: You're not covering Art Monk, You're not covering those people
Speaker 3: one on one. That's not gonna happen. Don't even think
Speaker 3: about trying to cover me one on one. That's a
Speaker 3: waste of time. You're not gonna win that battle. You
Speaker 3: gotta hope I dropped the ball. And Ricky Sanders, who
Speaker 3: does not get the credit that he deserves, might have
Speaker 3: been better than me and Art. Ricky. Well, then to
Speaker 3: think about it, Terry just broke Ricky's record for touchdowns
Speaker 3: in the season. Ricky had twelve. Art never got twelve.
Speaker 3: I never got twelve. Ricky got twelve in a bad season,
Speaker 3: Like we didn't even go to the playoffs that year.
Speaker 3: That he got twelve touchdowns. He was a bad boy.
Speaker 3: Super Bowl twenty two he crushes He's a break Land
Speaker 3: swine rerecord. He crushes it in a quarter, quarter and
Speaker 3: a half. Come on, now, if Joe would have been
Speaker 3: like a lot of these other coaches, and we'll run
Speaker 3: up the score. Ricky Sanders probably would have had three
Speaker 3: hundred yards that game. He had one hundred and like
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty nine. Not that I'm counting anything,
Speaker 3: because I should have had one hundred and eighty nine,
Speaker 3: but I didn't. I didn't get close to it. Ricky
Speaker 3: Sanders beasts, and I'm just trying to figure out why
Speaker 3: he's not in our Ring of fame. I haven't figured
Speaker 3: that out yet. I mean, this is I mean, if
Speaker 3: I need to go have a conversation with ownership. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: Ricky Sanders is definitely a player who belongs in the
Speaker 3: Ring of fan We don't have that Super Bowl ring
Speaker 3: without Ricky Sanders and that super Bowl he started Art,
Speaker 3: he started it eighty yards eighty yard touchdown pass. Right,
Speaker 3: we're running. Charlie ten Hitch, the defensive back for Denver,
Speaker 3: on his own, decided to press Ricky. It turns into
Speaker 3: an automatic face. If he would have stayed offer, Ricky
Speaker 3: would have been a five yard catch because he made
Speaker 3: a decision to walk up there on his own. Because
Speaker 3: it was not man shoot Ricky. Looking back, he's like
Speaker 3: twenty yards ahead of the guy. But it's all said
Speaker 3: and done. Like he is one of the best athletes
Speaker 3: you will ever find in NFL history. NFL history, not
Speaker 3: just Redskin history. He's one of the best athletes you
Speaker 3: will ever find. And the nicest guy in the world.
Speaker 3: Nicest guy in the world. Art was quiet but very competitive,
Speaker 3: like I want the ball, give me the ball. I
Speaker 3: want the ball. All the time. This is what it is.
Speaker 3: I want the ball all the time, unless we're winning
Speaker 3: and they're playing great, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I just want to win. Like if I catch zero
Speaker 3: balls and we win the football game, I'm celebrating. Now.
Speaker 3: If we lose a football game and I catch zero balls,
Speaker 3: that's why we lost the football game. In my brain,
Speaker 3: Remember I tell you I need to have a chip.
Speaker 3: I need to make sure I always have a chip
Speaker 3: on my shoulder to make me play back a lot
Speaker 3: of times. That's what it was. Not saying that was
Speaker 3: necessarily true, but it allowed me to put a chip
Speaker 3: on my shirtder be like they throw me the fall,
Speaker 3: and then I make sure I go make sure I
Speaker 3: bring the quarterbacks a lot breakfast every morning. Extra nice
Speaker 3: nigga that knows happening to take them at dinner, give
Speaker 3: them gift cards.
Speaker 1: That be three guys in their position that are ultimate competitors. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you for a little inside information that
Speaker 1: maybe ever shed. When y'all three would get together, y'all
Speaker 1: would have conversation in the locker room, y'all have conversations
Speaker 1: in practice, What would those conversations like between y'all three
Speaker 1: was their competitive talk. We did it all today, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna eat it up today, I'm a lead today, or
Speaker 1: was it all just okay?
Speaker 2: All three of us know we got to play in
Speaker 2: unison to get the job done.
Speaker 1: What was those conversations like between just y'all three as
Speaker 1: as receivers in a receiver room.
Speaker 3: A lot of times mostly about making sure that we
Speaker 3: put into work, you know, because there's practice and then
Speaker 3: there's practice. You practice as a team. You go through
Speaker 3: your ordinary everyday practice, right, and then when practice starts
Speaker 3: and everybody else goes in, you stay out on the
Speaker 3: field and you work on your game. You work on
Speaker 3: like we're a route runner, so we're going to work
Speaker 3: on our route running. You know, we got to catch
Speaker 3: your rucks, so we're going to work on catching balls
Speaker 3: after practice. You got to do all those things. And
Speaker 3: we did it all as a unit because we really
Speaker 3: did pull for one another. Don't get me wrong, We
Speaker 3: pulled for one another. We want Ricky to score a touchdown,
Speaker 3: want Art to score a touchdown. Art was very very quiet.
Speaker 3: He's just always he's just that way. He's a very
Speaker 3: like he speaks when he has something to say. Practical joker,
Speaker 3: though in the locker room, practical joker, but he would
Speaker 3: speak when he had something to say. Me and Ricky,
Speaker 3: Me and Ricky boys, we like talking back and forth
Speaker 3: to each other, you know, like we went out together.
Speaker 3: Art had the family. He wasn't doing anything. You know.
Speaker 3: Art's a perfect role model, Like the perfect role model.
Speaker 3: Who you want your kids to grow up to be? Man, Ricky,
Speaker 3: you want your kids to play like us?
Speaker 2: Who will said?
Speaker 3: I want your kids to play like us. Don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, Ricky Sanders is the nicest guy in the world.
Speaker 3: Joe Gibbs favorite receiver out of the three of us,
Speaker 3: hands down, hands down. Now it's not even a question.
Speaker 3: You asked Joe today, He's going to tell you the truth.
Speaker 3: He's gonna say Ricky Sanders his favorite receiver because Ricky
Speaker 3: never gave him any trouble any like if Ricky didn't
Speaker 3: catch a ball in the game and we lost. You know,
Speaker 3: he wasn't mad in practicing next week. I was mad, like,
Speaker 3: don't talk to me yet, don't talk to me un
Speaker 3: till about the third day of practice. Art get mad too.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, Art knew that he
Speaker 3: was going after Charlie. Art knew he was going after
Speaker 3: Charlie Taylor. He was that's the record that he knew
Speaker 3: that he was going to go after and he did
Speaker 3: end up getting. You know, so we're Ricky's just a
Speaker 3: nice guy. I mean, he's like, he's like he's everybody's
Speaker 3: favorite guy. He's just a nice guy. But the most
Speaker 3: athletic out of the three of us can do any sports.
Speaker 1: It's crazy you have all of these alpha males in
Speaker 1: one room, all these competitors, all these winners. Yes, you
Speaker 1: talk about the nice personality and all these different personalities.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it doesn't always work out, especially when guys want
Speaker 1: their touches, Guys want to win, Guys are hungry to
Speaker 1: be out on that field. Was there ever any times
Speaker 1: when you guys were budding heads in that wide receiver room.
Speaker 1: We're in that locker on that field because of this
Speaker 1: competitive makes sure you guys hold.
Speaker 3: Mostly on the field. On the field for example, for
Speaker 3: example one game. And by the way, Josh Jose a
Speaker 3: brilliant coach. He understood that you have to have fire
Speaker 3: and ice because there's times when you have to have
Speaker 3: your receiver comp to say we got we got a
Speaker 3: nice lead. You gotta chill out. You gotta be cool,
Speaker 3: but from behind, you need that fire to come in.
Speaker 3: And that's the difference between men. Are like, if we're
Speaker 3: not playing well, I'm going after you. Ricky Sanders was
Speaker 3: having a great game and me and Art was having
Speaker 3: an okay game. But Ricky was having a great game
Speaker 3: and knock out a game. I think it was in
Speaker 3: I think it was the season that he had twelve touchdowns,
Speaker 3: quite honestly, and he started cramping up, so he took
Speaker 3: hisself out of the game. Ricky's my best friend on
Speaker 3: the team. I almost have called Ricky every curse word
Speaker 3: in the book, basically telling him and be like, you
Speaker 3: get your But I didn't say but, but get your
Speaker 3: butt back onto the field right now. Go drink some water,
Speaker 3: go get hydrated. I don't care because he was killing it,
Speaker 3: killing it. What do you do? Go back into the game,
Speaker 3: score a touchdown? Was like that. But we love each other,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like, for for example, a
Speaker 3: lot of guys, if you'd have said that, he would
Speaker 3: have held a grudge against me. But we don't look
Speaker 3: like we're just telling each other you can play better,
Speaker 3: get out there and play better. We don't hold grudges.
Speaker 3: We're not mad because you're telling me I'm not doing
Speaker 3: my job, because probably I'm not doing my job. The
Speaker 3: goal is to win the football game. Win. That's just
Speaker 3: what it is. And that's what I loved about our team.
Speaker 3: That's what I loved about my teammates, and it was
Speaker 3: embreded in ninety nine percent of us. Just go out
Speaker 3: there and play to win the football game. If we win,
Speaker 3: everything's okay. Everything's okay. I don't care if I called
Speaker 3: a pass if we won the football game, because that's
Speaker 3: the goal, is to win the football game. Because the
Speaker 3: promised Land is getting the ring, getting the super Bowl trophy.
Speaker 3: That's what wins do for you. It gets you the.
Speaker 1: Trophy and holding each other accountable get you. And clearly
Speaker 1: you've seen what getting that trophy feels like. You've felt it.
Speaker 1: You've been there, not once, but twice. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: that first Super Bowl. We hear all the time about
Speaker 1: Super Bowl teams and how everything has to go right
Speaker 1: fourteen to win the Super Bowl. How tough it is
Speaker 1: fourteen to win the Super Bowl. I mean they say,
Speaker 1: even down to the managers, the equipment people, every single
Speaker 1: person involved has to be all point. So when you
Speaker 1: look back at that very first Super Bowl run that
Speaker 1: you guys made, in your opinion, what went.
Speaker 2: Right for you guys.
Speaker 3: Like, we don't panic. A Joe Gibbs team does not panic.
Speaker 3: You know, we started off slow in the first quarter,
Speaker 3: you know, down ten nothing, you know, we don't pan.
Speaker 3: We still knew that we was going to win the
Speaker 3: football game. I mean, that's how sure we were. Calm down,
Speaker 3: We're gonna win this football game. And when Ricky Sanders
Speaker 3: and that started the second quarter, Charlie ten Hitch, that
Speaker 3: guy came up. After that, it was over. There was
Speaker 3: a I mean, we could have scored seventy points that game.
Speaker 3: We wanted to Joe. Joe stopped throwing the ball because
Speaker 3: he's just that, he's just that good. He's he does
Speaker 3: a leaving embarrassing anybody because you feel like you have
Speaker 3: to play them again at some point in time. You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's and he's just he wouldn't he would
Speaker 3: not do that. But our running game was on point two.
Speaker 3: So Timmy Smith's got over twenty yards and that came in.
Speaker 3: That's his first Super Bowl and he didn't know he
Speaker 3: was going to start until they called his name out.
Speaker 3: Coach told him like ten minutes before the game that
Speaker 3: he was going to be the starting running back. Come
Speaker 3: on now, and he showed out. He wouldn't showed out too,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean that was you got guys breaking
Speaker 3: Super Bowl records left and right. Come on now, thirty
Speaker 3: five points at eighteen plays, Come on now, come on now,
Speaker 3: just give us a rock. Let us do what we do.
Speaker 3: The offensive line are telling the Bronco line we'll play.
Speaker 3: We running here, come again, boy, stop it. I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is my first Super Bowl, so I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: out there listening, right, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, shut up, Like i don't want him to know
Speaker 2: to play.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm just telling them because they don't care. Dude.
Speaker 3: Those holes Shoot, my mom could have ran through those
Speaker 3: holes that were so wide. I mean, those guys are hogs. Man.
Speaker 3: They were just a whole nother greed of an animal.
Speaker 3: And I mean it was just it was just a
Speaker 3: great time to play football for the Burgan and Gold.
Speaker 3: We got the best fans in the world. They travel well,
Speaker 3: they're always behind us, that always there to pick us
Speaker 3: up when we need to be picked up. Our twelfth
Speaker 3: man was completely a part of our game. And now
Speaker 3: it's nice to have the twelfth man back. You know,
Speaker 3: it was nice going to a game. We're seeing that
Speaker 3: cars are parked all the way back to the other
Speaker 3: road and fans are staying in the stadium the whole time.
Speaker 3: And then you can look down it and there's only
Speaker 3: a few jerseys of the other team as opposed to
Speaker 3: have the stadium band jersey the other team. I'm so
Speaker 3: excited about this season. I love our court of I
Speaker 3: love our receivers, I love Terry McLaren. I'm just a
Speaker 3: huge Terry McLaren fan. I got he gave me an
Speaker 3: autograph jersey at the last home game. I got an
Speaker 3: autograph jersey. Actually, autograph jersey came in the mail because
Speaker 3: they wouldn't let mister mclauren bring it into the stadium.
Speaker 3: How you going to not let Terry mclaurn's dad drank
Speaker 3: a jersey into the stadium. I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 3: I really don't know how that happened. But I gave
Speaker 3: him one of my jerseys, and I'm just you cannot
Speaker 3: ask for a better steward of the game, better face
Speaker 3: of the game like his leadership qualities are off the chain,
Speaker 3: and I hope he breaks all of our records, and
Speaker 3: all of us couldn't be prouder have a guy like
Speaker 3: that be the guy that breaks your records. That's outstanding.
Speaker 3: Can't imagine if I'm in a jerk, I would have
Speaker 3: hated that. Terry is like, I mean, he's like he's
Speaker 3: like all three of us in one. Like. He has arts,
Speaker 3: he has art calmness, he has Ricky's hands, and he
Speaker 3: has my passion. He's just he keeps the passion with them.
Speaker 3: But he he wants to rock. He wants to rock,
Speaker 3: you know, and if you not get him the rock,
Speaker 3: he does. He doesn't do what I do. He doesn't
Speaker 3: go out there and swear and curse everybody out. He
Speaker 3: just silently lets him know, probably with a stare, that
Speaker 3: you need to get me the ball so we can
Speaker 3: go out here and win this football game. Come on,
Speaker 3: how you you break the record? That's the way you
Speaker 3: break a record. You got to score. That's the way
Speaker 3: you break a record. Right, oh man? And I won.
Speaker 4: I won.
Speaker 3: We had like a little bet in our suite that
Speaker 3: we're in right because I went to the game. I
Speaker 3: went to the game and uh, that's what I bet.
Speaker 3: I said. I bet that he was scoring the thirteenth
Speaker 3: touchdown to be the all time in the individual season
Speaker 3: person scored the most touchdowns, breaking slick ricks. Right, Ricky
Speaker 3: could not be happier. That's what I mean. Like, we're
Speaker 3: all about family and to us, Terry is like posse.
Speaker 3: That's why we look at him. He's part of the posse.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure Terry would love to hear that.
Speaker 3: And cool.
Speaker 1: It's the way that the OG's, the legends, inter rats
Speaker 1: were not just the stars of the team, but everybody
Speaker 1: top to bottom on the team, the coaching staff, the trainers.
Speaker 1: It's been so cool to see how those legends really
Speaker 1: take pride in helping out the next generation of Burney
Speaker 1: and Gold. So you know Terry for quite some time. Yes,
Speaker 1: this season he is having his best season of his career.
Speaker 1: But we have seen a lot of ebbs and flows,
Speaker 1: ups and downs with Terry as he's had different quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: just office of coordinators, different coaches, different teammates.
Speaker 2: He's been through a lot of stuff through this time.
Speaker 1: As you've had this relationship with Terry, Man, what is
Speaker 1: some advice, What are some of those conversations you've had
Speaker 1: with Terry that I'm sure have helped him get to
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just me. I'm probably like a fanboy
Speaker 3: when it comes to Terry, Like I'm one of his
Speaker 3: biggest fans, quite honestly, just the way he's always handled himself.
Speaker 3: For him to reach out to me, to have a
Speaker 3: conversation about that spoke volumes to me like a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of like a lot of players, they
Speaker 3: don't do that because they's like, it's my time. I'm
Speaker 3: the guy. I don't need to talk to anybody else
Speaker 3: because I'm the guy. Terry. No. I mean, he sit
Speaker 3: there and reached out and spoke spoke with me about football, things,
Speaker 3: about things off the field, you know about you know,
Speaker 3: what do you do when football is over? Like we
Speaker 3: didn't think that because we never thought football was going
Speaker 3: to be over. I mean we just didn't, you know,
Speaker 3: which It's going to be over for everybody at some
Speaker 3: point in time. It's just what it is. But Terry,
Speaker 3: he's a young man and his parents are her parents
Speaker 3: are stars, by the way. His mom and dad are
Speaker 3: just spectacular. So I see why I can see why
Speaker 3: he's that way. Quite honestly, they're spectacular people as well.
Speaker 3: So I mean to be the best receiver on the
Speaker 3: team and not be intimidated by the legends of the game.
Speaker 3: Speaks volumes to what that player is. Like I said,
Speaker 3: like when he reached out, I mean it caught me
Speaker 3: completely off guard. They caught me off guard when he
Speaker 3: reached out to me because I was already a fan,
Speaker 3: you know, because I don't care who you are. When
Speaker 3: somebody's coming on your records, you pay attention. You just do.
Speaker 3: Because it's been like thirty thirty five years and nobody's
Speaker 3: came close to him anything that I've done. So his
Speaker 3: rookie year, he missed it by He missed it by catch.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, and I think he might have missed it
Speaker 3: by like a yard or something like that as well,
Speaker 3: in terms of the yard part of it. But he's
Speaker 3: made up for that ever since. Uh, he's just he's
Speaker 3: just a quality guy. Again, like I said, his parents
Speaker 3: are quality people. Talking to them, you understand why he
Speaker 3: is so special. He's a special guy tackling what he
Speaker 3: does and how he goes about doing it, and he
Speaker 3: work his work ethic. That's what you see, Like when
Speaker 3: you go to the playoff game. Watch him doing warmers.
Speaker 3: Watch he's the first one probably on the field and
Speaker 3: the last one to go into the locker room before
Speaker 3: they come back out. Catching a rock, catching a rock,
Speaker 3: catching a rock, working on his route running, working on
Speaker 3: his route running. His hands are spectacular, his route running
Speaker 3: is spectacular, and when you need it most, he shows
Speaker 3: up every single time when you need it most. And
Speaker 3: we needed that win against Dallas just because it's Dallas.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I don't care that
Speaker 3: what's going to the playoffs. You need to go into
Speaker 3: the playoffs with a winning record, on a winning streak.
Speaker 3: People that have a losing streak going into the playoffs,
Speaker 3: they tend to lose. Like I'm not saying there still
Speaker 3: is going to lose, but they're on a losing streak,
Speaker 3: and I won't be surprised if they did, because all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you start to doubt things, you start
Speaker 3: to doubt yourself. Terry M. Lauren never doubts his ability
Speaker 3: to play football. He knows how good he is, and
Speaker 3: like me, I think without the profanity or yelling at
Speaker 3: everybody or yelling at the coaches, he is driven by
Speaker 3: wanting to be the best receiver in the NFL period period,
Speaker 3: not the second best, the best. And he's going to
Speaker 3: drive yourself that way until he's recognized as the.
Speaker 2: Best, much like yourself.
Speaker 1: And you look at Terry and this season he's had,
Speaker 1: it's been so special, it's been so magical, and it
Speaker 1: kind of exemplifies what this team has done this year
Speaker 1: because those are the adjunctives being used for this season. Special, magical,
Speaker 1: and you have made it to the Promised Land again,
Speaker 1: not once, but twice. Now you look at this team
Speaker 1: going to the playoffs for the first time since twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: You look at this team and the special things that
Speaker 1: are going on, and you look back at those two
Speaker 1: Super Bowl teams you were a part of.
Speaker 2: Do you see parallels there?
Speaker 1: Do you see similarities where you say, Okay, we might
Speaker 1: be able to do this this year.
Speaker 3: The similarity that I see is they take things down
Speaker 3: to the to the end and they win. They win.
Speaker 3: We didn't care if we won pretty or one ugly.
Speaker 3: We just wanted to win. We don't care if we've
Speaker 3: scored fifty points or we scored three points. We just
Speaker 3: wanted to win. If we beat you three zero, three
Speaker 3: to two, we win. That's the way we looked at it.
Speaker 3: So what I love about this team is they're gonna
Speaker 3: be Tampa. There's no doubt in my mind they're gonna
Speaker 3: be Tampa. They are, and then anything can happen. What
Speaker 3: I want them to do is they have their first
Speaker 3: playoff win, because we haven't had a playoff win years.
Speaker 3: We're like in the teams, So if you can get
Speaker 3: to the second level, then anything can happen. Watch it
Speaker 3: happens in and then what I want the players to
Speaker 3: see is how this city erupts. When Washington Football has
Speaker 3: played well, it erupts the players. They think they have
Speaker 3: it good now they have no idea how they go
Speaker 3: to have it once they win that first playoff game
Speaker 3: and move forward after that. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And we talk about comparisons.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I've heard from the legends the
Speaker 1: most is the fan base that the way that the
Speaker 1: fans are acting, the way that they're showing up on
Speaker 1: the road, the way that they're showing up on home
Speaker 1: seems very similar to those rock star like days when
Speaker 1: y'all war winning super Bowls. As somebody that's been here
Speaker 1: that has not left even after you retired, how happy
Speaker 1: are you to see this fan base have a resurgence
Speaker 1: and be re energized by this team.
Speaker 3: Oh? I mean, I love it. I'm coming back on
Speaker 3: the plane today from Dallas because we were slowed in
Speaker 3: because we're slow back here, so we missed a flight
Speaker 3: for a couple of days. But I just make sure
Speaker 3: I get back here. Though I had a reason I
Speaker 3: get back here. But dude, it's all resking fans on
Speaker 3: the plane, all resking fans, all rescuing. Maybe ten seats
Speaker 3: weren't because they got all their gear on, so you
Speaker 3: know what they are, They got all their girl you know.
Speaker 3: I must have saw about four Terry mclaughan jersey, probably
Speaker 3: about six Jaydon Daniel jerseys.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable the excitement that people have about
Speaker 3: this team. Like, come on, you go, Trump all the
Speaker 3: way to Dallas, cold weather, You're gonna travel all the
Speaker 3: way to Dallas to watch the game? No, No, tell
Speaker 3: them what type of seatuers going to have, you know,
Speaker 3: And they still come out and come, you know, and
Speaker 3: even the Dallas the Dallas fans had to give it
Speaker 3: up and be like, we hope you guys take it
Speaker 3: to the show. And I mean coming from a Dallas fan,
Speaker 3: that shocked me. I was like, I hope we take
Speaker 3: it to this show too. Look what I'm saying week,
Speaker 3: but I hope they take it to the show as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: It is we when you're involved because of all the
Speaker 1: things you have done in the Burgundy and gold jersey,
Speaker 1: in your Redskins jersey, and we love talking about the
Speaker 1: commands now, but of course we are here to talk
Speaker 1: about you and Gary. I loved hearing you give your
Speaker 1: fellow teammates all the love that you did, and I
Speaker 1: hope I didn't gash you up too much on the
Speaker 1: intro when I talk about best receivers to wear that
Speaker 1: burgundy and gold. But to me, what was so impressive
Speaker 1: about you, Gary is you did what you did in
Speaker 1: a league where the size that you were was not
Speaker 1: that wasn't the prototypical size for a wide receiver. We
Speaker 1: see a league today that's a lot different than the
Speaker 1: league that you came in, and I look at somebody
Speaker 1: like you, look at Santana Mars, look at Steve Smith
Speaker 1: as those pioneers for the position, especially those guys that
Speaker 1: were smaller but could line up anywhere on the field,
Speaker 1: and do it all. So Gary, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've been asking before. I put you on the spot
Speaker 1: right here now. If I want to ask you top
Speaker 1: five small receivers in NFL history one? Would you put
Speaker 1: yourself on that list? Into what other four guys would
Speaker 1: be on that list with you?
Speaker 3: Ricky Sanders would be on the list. Who else would
Speaker 3: be on the list? I love Santana, I love what
Speaker 3: he did. I mean that boy come out and stay,
Speaker 3: that play and cowboy killer when your name, your nickname
Speaker 3: is a cowboy killer, lets you know how you.
Speaker 2: Did it a long time too?
Speaker 3: Uh? Who else would I put on that list? Hm hmm.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't just have to be Redskins or Commanders.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to. I'm
Speaker 3: just trying to think of guys that are fitting to
Speaker 3: that size point. I mean, because I mean Jerry with
Speaker 3: Jerry was over six feet, so Jerry doesn't fit into
Speaker 3: that size point. But that boy could play obviously, the
Speaker 3: care from Cincinnati kind of bad boy end up going
Speaker 3: what was his name? Kid from Cincinnati? He could play too.
Speaker 3: He talked a lot of trash.
Speaker 1: Not show because old Show was above six foot, So
Speaker 1: that a six foot Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I mean
Speaker 1: that might have been a lot, but I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: Old Show was in that six foot ranch.
Speaker 2: But a bad man.
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, I enjoyed watching him.
Speaker 1: He moved like a smaller receiver, So I get that
Speaker 1: because of his footworking route running was just so rare
Speaker 1: for somebody that size.
Speaker 2: I understand why he thought that.
Speaker 3: No, it's not so. But quite honestly, I'm happy with
Speaker 3: just Santana and Ricky. Quite honestly, I like Ricky Sanders.
Speaker 3: I just like I said, like I've never this is
Speaker 3: how good Ricky Sanders was. I mean, I'm always a
Speaker 3: guy that I pride myself on trying to think three
Speaker 3: steps ahead of everybody else. That's just how I am.
Speaker 2: Like, I.
Speaker 3: Saw how good Ricky Sander was the first day of practice,
Speaker 3: and I went and made sure that we became roommates
Speaker 3: outside of the Like when he I think, rick you
Speaker 3: should we should get an apartment together. So every night
Speaker 3: when Ricky went to sleep, I went out and trained.
Speaker 3: I went to he go to sleep, I wait to
Speaker 3: he go to sleep, and I go out and put
Speaker 3: in more work. Because he was that he was just
Speaker 3: naturally gifted. And when you got a guy who naturally
Speaker 3: gifted now sick with Rick where it took his natural
Speaker 3: gifts and then tied it down with my work ethic.
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody can touch him in because
Speaker 3: I was just I'm just a grinder man. At the
Speaker 3: end of the day, I want to be the best,
Speaker 3: you know. And I made a promise to myself when
Speaker 3: I got heard of that, when I saw Art Monk
Speaker 3: and I saw Charlie Brown. The promise I made to
Speaker 3: myself was, I'm going to be the best resking receiver
Speaker 3: number wise, why I'm here, Why I'm here, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be the guy. So with Terry is chasing now,
Speaker 3: he's chasing my first eight years. When he's chasing play's
Speaker 3: art because art all time, the art was here for
Speaker 3: like fourteen fifteen years, maybe sixteen years, but my first
Speaker 3: eight why I was here. And you can go do
Speaker 3: the math. You can go do the math. Catches yards
Speaker 3: yards per catch, touchdown, you go do the math. I'm
Speaker 3: going to come up at eight four. It's going to
Speaker 3: come up because I'm driven that way, you know. And
Speaker 3: I just I just from the time I was a
Speaker 3: little kid five and a half years old, tell my
Speaker 3: dad want to be a professional football player. I started training.
Speaker 3: He woke me up. The next morning, my dad started
Speaker 3: me on the journey. Don't get me wrong. Next morning,
Speaker 3: five thirty am, your dream just came to reality. And
Speaker 3: from that day until I stopped playing, I got every
Speaker 3: morning five thirty am putting in my roadwork. I stopped playing.
Speaker 3: The last time I SAP, I was in Arizona. I'm
Speaker 3: going on a ten mile run. About thirty I got
Speaker 3: the mail five and realized, I don't play anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't have to do this anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't have a team. I don't play anymore. I
Speaker 3: stopped running right then and there and walked the five
Speaker 3: miles back because I was done. At that point in time,
Speaker 3: there was nothing else for me to prove. You know,
Speaker 3: I wasn't competing against anybody anymore because I wasn't playing anymore.
Speaker 3: But I wanted to always be the guy no matter
Speaker 3: where I was at, like at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: like it started off, Offense was built around eighty one,
Speaker 3: but by the time it was finished, it was built
Speaker 3: around the three of us. You know, it's built around
Speaker 3: eighty one, eighty three, and eighty four, and you know
Speaker 3: eighty four came out, okay a lot of those times.
Speaker 1: Man and Gary Man, I love that story and I'm
Speaker 1: glad you mentioned it about you being five years old
Speaker 1: telling your father this is my dream, this is my goal,
Speaker 1: and him saying, Okay, next day, we are starting this dream.
Speaker 1: It's not every day that a parent or a family
Speaker 1: member believes in anything a.
Speaker 2: Five year old has to say.
Speaker 1: But your father not only believed in you, he gave
Speaker 1: you all the tools you needed to succeed. How important
Speaker 1: was your father's belief in you, not only in five,
Speaker 1: not only.
Speaker 2: In ten, but throughout your life?
Speaker 1: How important was that belief from your father and what
Speaker 1: you were able to do on that field?
Speaker 3: Gare That's just huge. Like I mean, first of all,
Speaker 3: I'm a deacon son, right, so with my dad basically
Speaker 3: kind of like when I first saw him, all he said,
Speaker 3: are you sure it's just my dad? Like sixty five
Speaker 3: two sixty exact opposite of me. I'm like my mom's size,
Speaker 3: right So, And because I was like, my dad wouldn't
Speaker 3: lie to me, like he ain't gonna go to hell.
Speaker 3: So that's why I looked at it. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: five and a half years old, right, I was like,
Speaker 3: I must feel to be able to do this, because
Speaker 3: then I really started making me believe in myself. I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, my dad sacon, Yeah, I can do this.
Speaker 3: Then and then Jenna's son. We live paycheck to paycheck.
Speaker 3: My dad would always figure out a way to slip
Speaker 3: away from work, you know, because he worked like three
Speaker 3: jobs at the time. You know, he slipped away work.
Speaker 3: Never missed one of our football games and any of
Speaker 3: his kids football games, never missed it, not one. And
Speaker 3: never missed any of my professional games, even though I
Speaker 3: went to Phoenix and Miami, never missed a home game.
Speaker 3: My dad was, I think is the reason why I
Speaker 3: was so successful. What I did is I saw how
Speaker 3: hard he worked, how he took care of his family,
Speaker 3: you know, and he believed in me. I think a
Speaker 3: father's belief of parents belief. You know, my mom loved everybody,
Speaker 3: you know, but my dad. To have your dad believe
Speaker 3: in you when you're a boy, especially in that time,
Speaker 3: in that generation, I mean it speaks volumes like I
Speaker 3: mean the start driving force today. At the end of
Speaker 3: the day to this day, I don't like to lose.
Speaker 3: I always like to get what I want. I'm just
Speaker 3: driven that way, like if I want it, I'm going
Speaker 3: to get it. It's just what it is I make.
Speaker 3: But what I am is it may take time to
Speaker 3: get it. Like it took me until I was twenty
Speaker 3: one years old, befo I could play professional football. That's
Speaker 3: a long time ago. And like I said, we're a
Speaker 3: blue collar family. Every other kid on my block, you know,
Speaker 3: once they got to a certain age, they helped out
Speaker 3: with the family, went and got a job. My dad
Speaker 3: never made me get a job. He said, as long
Speaker 3: as you put in the work, you won't have to work.
Speaker 3: I never my first job ever was playing professional football.
Speaker 3: Ever in my life, I didn't have a newspaper oute.
Speaker 3: My first job ever was playing professional football. And it's
Speaker 3: all thanks to my my dad believing it to me,
Speaker 3: my mom believing in me as well, and for them
Speaker 3: provided me the opportunity so I could go train, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean that was the thing. And I felt that
Speaker 3: I owed them to late bad. I felt bad for
Speaker 3: two sets of people, my parents first and foremost, because
Speaker 3: they're in the crowd. And if I'm playing bad, everybody no.
Speaker 3: My mom made sure everybody knew that she was my mom.
Speaker 3: I was like Mom, you might not want to do that.
Speaker 3: I played bad and they're gonna get mad at you then,
Speaker 3: And those were my those those were my people. I mean,
Speaker 3: the fans are your boss. People don't want to believe
Speaker 3: it or not, but that's why you have a game,
Speaker 3: because those people come out to watch you play, and
Speaker 3: they come out and support that. Those fans go away.
Speaker 3: Guess what, The salaries go away, the money goes away.
Speaker 3: They stopped paying you. Because the fans make the game
Speaker 3: just what it is. So I looked at them kind
Speaker 3: of as they were my boss. I even told mister
Speaker 3: Cook that they were my boss. I told you sometimes
Speaker 3: I should just shut up when I was a player.
Speaker 3: But who I told the owner was like, you know,
Speaker 3: you're not really my boss. The fans are. And he
Speaker 3: kind of looked at me kind of like, okay, I
Speaker 3: know what to say. Now. My dad was in the
Speaker 3: locker room. That's the first time my dad had jerked
Speaker 3: me since I was a kid. He jerked you that day.
Speaker 3: He's like, boy, you do not say that. You do
Speaker 3: not say that to him. But I mean, but I'm
Speaker 3: just being honest. I'm bluntly honest. That's that's that's good
Speaker 3: and bad. I guess somebody, I'm not gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you, tell you how I feel. I'm just that way.
Speaker 3: I could never I'm passionate that way. You know, if
Speaker 3: I think you're screwing up, I'm gonna tell you you're
Speaker 3: screwing up. I don't care how big or small you are.
Speaker 3: And if I'm screwing up, I want you to tell
Speaker 3: me I'm screwing up. That's why I never took it
Speaker 3: to heart. When people got in my face about not
Speaker 3: doing what they thought I should be doing, I looked
Speaker 3: at it and like, yeah, you're right, I need to
Speaker 3: go back and get I need to get I need
Speaker 3: to get this done. So I think if people are
Speaker 3: looking at it that way, you don't get an attitude.
Speaker 3: When your teammates come up to you, you will play
Speaker 3: better because you don't want to let your teammates down
Speaker 3: and so aout. It's always about the team. Don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong. I love being the guy, but it's about
Speaker 3: the team. That's why when I didn't catch your pass.
Speaker 3: So when we won a football game, I'm the happiest
Speaker 3: guy on the planet. That's a true because we won
Speaker 3: the football game, and winning of what counts. You go
Speaker 3: out to win, period. It's just it's not rocket science,
Speaker 3: and people try to make it right. It's no, it's
Speaker 3: not rocket science. Our job is to go win football games.
Speaker 3: Their job is to go to Tampa and kick that ass.
Speaker 3: That's their job. That's just what it is. Their job
Speaker 3: is not to go there and lose. It could happen,
Speaker 3: but I don't think it will because I think I
Speaker 3: think they got the right leadership, they got the right
Speaker 3: coaching staff, they got the right players that they believe now.
Speaker 3: They believe now, and when you believe as a team,
Speaker 3: nothing can hold you back.
Speaker 1: Said like a true competitor, said like a true winner.
Speaker 1: Six hundred and ninety nine receptions over ten eight hundred
Speaker 1: receiving yards, sixty five touchdowns in eleven season. Gary Clark
Speaker 1: missed nine games. Was the first wide receiver in NFL
Speaker 1: history to start his year. I believe it was at
Speaker 1: least fifty passes. In your first ten NFL seasons. You
Speaker 1: have all of these decisions, things that you're first of, things,
Speaker 1: things that have never been done, never been accomplished. Again,
Speaker 1: does Gary Clark belong in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3: You know, that's for other people to decide. You know,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. When I finished my careerre honestly,
Speaker 3: I thought I thought it'd be a shoot in. Let's
Speaker 3: just be thinking. Because when I finished with my career,
Speaker 3: I was seventh in all time receiving yards, and I
Speaker 3: was eighth in all time catches. I just figured it
Speaker 3: was I figured I was a lock. But it took
Speaker 3: so long to get Art Monk in, like Art should
Speaker 3: have been first flaming. Come on, he's an all time
Speaker 3: leading receiver. How does he not automatically go in after
Speaker 3: his five years and then you have to wait five
Speaker 3: years before you can go in? How does he not
Speaker 3: automatically go in? He goes in like but like fifte
Speaker 3: ten years later, some crap like that. So by that time,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, now we're passing league. We're not
Speaker 3: a running league anymore. So now I don't know where. Man,
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm thinking like fiftieth something like that, maybe sixtieth,
Speaker 3: all the time leading the receiver in yards and receptions,
Speaker 3: so that eight don't look so good anymore. Eight look good,
Speaker 3: sixtieth don't look so good. So do I think I'm
Speaker 3: along again? If we would have got arted sooner? I
Speaker 3: think yes, but again it's not my decision. Other people
Speaker 3: have to make that decision. I'm not going to be
Speaker 3: that guy that begged somebody to let me in. I'm
Speaker 3: just not built that way. But I think why I
Speaker 3: played I'll help my own was it was me and Jerry.
Speaker 3: When I played, it was me and Jerry. That's why
Speaker 3: I was chasing Jerry. I wasn't chasing anybody else, you know.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I guess. If I get in,
Speaker 3: I get in. If I don't get in, I don't
Speaker 3: get in.
Speaker 1: Gary, tell you what, man, you ask any Redskin, any
Speaker 1: Commander fan, they will say you are a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer to them and that you belong in. And Gary,
Speaker 1: I got a feeling that and that one day is
Speaker 1: going to happen. Man, things are changing around here and
Speaker 1: you have been a big part of that. Man, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you being involved with this team. Sticking around. I
Speaker 1: could tell there's a new love of resurgence, not only
Speaker 1: from the fan base, from the legs as well. So
Speaker 1: we appreciate that so much. Like I said to start
Speaker 1: the show, Gary, this is all about you. So we've
Speaker 1: saw Commanders, we've talked to playoffs. He talked about history.
Speaker 1: But one thing that's so impressive to me about you
Speaker 1: is that you weren't just a winner before you made
Speaker 1: it to NFL. You want just a winner when you
Speaker 1: got to NFL, but even after you retired, you have
Speaker 1: found ways to win in a bunch of different ways.
Speaker 1: So I want to give you a chance right now
Speaker 1: to bring your partner in and let's talk about the
Speaker 1: things you got going on right now off the field
Speaker 1: before we let you go.
Speaker 2: If that's cool, Gary.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that you know. So ni L's coming in now,
Speaker 3: and trust me, people are rather listen to her than
Speaker 3: listen to me because what she's doing with the n
Speaker 3: I like from the education plan for like we have
Speaker 3: legends that will be training these kids because these kids
Speaker 3: want to play eventually in the NFL, and at the
Speaker 3: level that we're at right now, Like as a receiver,
Speaker 3: I'm going to know more than ninety nine percent of
Speaker 3: the people that you talk to moving forward, no more
Speaker 3: than your college coach, because nine times out of ten
Speaker 3: they did not up play at this level. They don't
Speaker 3: have the experience at that level, and they damn sure
Speaker 3: it wasn't me at that level. There was a few
Speaker 3: were when I was playing like only seven and eight
Speaker 3: before they were. But the education piece is important as well,
Speaker 3: like understanding what to do with your money when you're
Speaker 3: done while you're playing. Like a lot of us made
Speaker 3: mistakes because we're blue collar kids. We don't know about money.
Speaker 3: We don't know how to handle that money, you know,
Speaker 3: so most of us, and we know we didn't make
Speaker 3: the kind of money that they make now, of course,
Speaker 3: but that money, you make one mistake and it's gone.
Speaker 3: Like perfect example, I'm sixty two years old and I'm
Speaker 3: still working. You know, Terry McLane would not be working
Speaker 3: at sixty two years old unless he wants to be
Speaker 3: working at sixty two years old. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: So what I did, I surrender ourselves with some great people,
Speaker 3: some great individuals. You know, we're creating this platform that
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let the young lady explain it to you,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna be impressed because she's like you, like
Speaker 3: you're cerebral. You're very cerebral. You know. That's why I
Speaker 3: don't like being inside you too much, because you're smarter
Speaker 3: than me. That bothers me a so, but you're gonna
Speaker 3: see she's cerebral I'm gonna let her explain what she
Speaker 3: does with our platform that's going to change these kids' lives.
Speaker 3: And you're gonna see a lot of kids that we
Speaker 3: train coming to the league, but when they come in,
Speaker 3: when they come out of the league, they will be
Speaker 3: just as successful, just as successful. I'm gonna turn it
Speaker 3: over here. Come on, girl, just take the chid Hi.
Speaker 2: Right, Welcome in the next man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you taking it time, taking the time to
Speaker 1: come join us and get some game on us.
Speaker 4: All right, So he ad a lot of great things
Speaker 4: about you and the show, and just want to share
Speaker 4: a little bit more. Gary already talk a lot about it,
Speaker 4: and as you're hearing you guys talk about what it
Speaker 4: takes to go from five years old to professional athlete,
Speaker 4: the families, all of that. The fan base is also
Speaker 4: inspiring because it's a long journey and it doesn't take
Speaker 4: that one athlete, right, it doesn't take one mind, It
Speaker 4: takes the whole entire network. It really takes a village.
Speaker 4: So that's what this is all about. How do you
Speaker 4: bring all these people who is here to support that
Speaker 4: one person who has a dream and there the daring
Speaker 4: personality to go after that to then be successful. A
Speaker 4: young person's mind is just developing thinking about different influences.
Speaker 4: They're friends there the things that friends likes, but also
Speaker 4: when it comes to being very disciplined, learning from the best,
Speaker 4: learning from other people's mistakes, and hearing your parents' guidance,
Speaker 4: and also financial literacy. All of those things are things
Speaker 4: that Gary and I are working together to make sure
Speaker 4: that we can put in a way where it's cohesive,
Speaker 4: it's comprehensive, it's communicating to young people in the language
Speaker 4: that they understand. Scrolling on social media has trained our
Speaker 4: brain to think. Everything has to be dynamic, everything has
Speaker 4: to be personalized, Everything has to be right now, right here,
Speaker 4: accessible anywhere, and that's what the platform there does.
Speaker 1: Oh, we are honored, Thank you so much for join
Speaker 1: Jepping on the show to talk about this man. That
Speaker 1: is great things that you guys are doing, paying the
Speaker 1: way forward. Gary talked about helping out Terry, but he's
Speaker 1: helping out so many other athletes after the fact, even
Speaker 1: though he doesn't have to, even though he has all
Speaker 1: the stats, even though he could just go off also
Speaker 1: beat somewhere and have a great time, he is choosing
Speaker 1: to help out the athletes of the future. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for jumping on, Gary. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your time.
Speaker 2: Brother.
Speaker 1: We appreciate for you for all that you've done for
Speaker 1: the Burgundy and Gold, and all that you continue to
Speaker 1: do for this squad right here.
Speaker 2: Man, I can't wait to see you. I know you're
Speaker 2: gonna be in Tampa. Brother. I cannot wait to see
Speaker 2: you man and kick it with you. Man.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for everything you continue to do for not only
Speaker 1: the game of football, but just for everybody out here
Speaker 1: in the DMV.
Speaker 2: Gary. Bro, it's always real talking to you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You know we're gonna chop it up soon. Brother.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man, love you, rock star sounds good Man.
Speaker 2: Command this family.
Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this extra special playoff edition of
Speaker 1: Next Man Up. If you want to watch our previous episodes,
Speaker 1: go check them out on the Commander's YouTube page or
Speaker 1: stream the audio wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 2: Let's get this win in Tampa, baby. This is Next
Speaker 2: Man Up. I'm Brian Cowen Jr. I'll check you out
Speaker 2: next Friday