1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Happy Friday, Everybody. I'm Tracy Vie Wilson, 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frying. Uh. This week we talked about 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Cohen's helpro, a nice little uplifting, peppy topic. I would say, 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: at least for me, I don't often go into an 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: episode thinking from the beginning, this is going to be 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: two parts, um. Like a lot of times it grows 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: into two parts while I'm working on it, um. And 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: this is definitely a case where that happened. A lot 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: of times when something grows into two parts, UM, I 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: still have both parts ready to go on the same schedule, 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: because the thing that really takes the longest is the 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: research part. Comparatively, the writing part is shorter. So like 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: writing the second episode a lot of times is like 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: still doable. This was not the case in this one. 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: I was like, this is gonna be two parts. That 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: I also need more time with it because it is 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: just a tangled mess and like a lot of it requires, 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of stuff that we had talked 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: about previously on the show before, like we have two parter, 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: a two parter on the the Palmer raids. We have 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: a two parter from previous hosts about the McCarthy era. 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: We have a lot of background on a lot of 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: the civil rights people and organizations that were targeted, um, 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: but there's other stuff that we had never really talked 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: about before that we're all required explaining. And then stuff 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: like having a whole co intel pro targeting the new 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: Left when nobody could define what the new Left meant. 29 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just like picturing the mentality. I know. 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: They make me feel weird and uncomfortable, Like, yeah, I 31 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: want to shout out to my friend Amy, who was 32 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: kind of my sounding board for like how to explain 33 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: specifically why communism was so threatening, because like, man, it 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: was just that just the response was so disproportionate to 35 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: the actual amount of threat involved with communism. The response, 36 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: all of it, all of it, the entirety of the 37 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: all of the co intel pros are like totally different 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: response than like what was actually warranted, whether it was 39 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: grouping every organization that was fighting for equal rights for 40 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Black Americans into the category of black nationalists hate groups, 41 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: or really only being concerned about the ku Klux plan 42 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: murdering people and not about all their other stuff just 43 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: so much, so much. One of the things that was 44 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: particularly frustrating to me as I was finishing this up, 45 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: because I worked on this leading up to the fourth 46 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: of July and wrapped it up after coming back from 47 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: like a fourth of July long weekend where I don't 48 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: know about everybody else where, we stayed at home and 49 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 1: did nothing. Um. Uh, we have this whole national origin 50 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: story that turns people who took up arms against what 51 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: they saw as an oppressive government and destroyed property and 52 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: waged a literal war. Like we frame that as heroic 53 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: in the mainstream discourse. Uh, maybe not quite as much 54 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: within the last six weeks or so, but like in general, Um, 55 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: and when you have the same kind of language being 56 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: used by black people saying we are oppressed and we 57 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: would like to not be oppressed anymore like than that, 58 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: we become the we being like the white majority become 59 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: the bad guys, We become Britain in the story of 60 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: American Revolution. And it just it deeply annoyed and frustrated me. Yeah. Um, 61 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: it's so interesting. I mean I've been kind of waxing rhapsodic. 62 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's quite the right phrase. I've 63 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: been thinking a lot about all of these issues, as 64 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure almost everyone has, But there were two things 65 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: that have been on my mind that this particular episode 66 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: really brought, like touched on that I had already been 67 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: thinking about. One was it's going to sound slightly random, 68 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: um the discussion of the weird attempt at at I 69 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: don't know, subterfuge, confusion, etcetera, of bringing the burnt cross 70 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: remains to a KKK meeting or having them delivered, because 71 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: I remember I grew up in a military family. So 72 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: we moved when I was nine from where we were 73 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: living outside of Seattle to the Panhandle of Florida, and 74 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: not long after we had moved there, three lots down 75 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: for our house, there was a huge cross burning, and 76 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: like it was one of those things where in this 77 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: episode where you talked about how like they then took 78 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: it outside and burned it, And there there was this 79 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: idea of we will shame them by making the or 80 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, scare them by making them aware that people 81 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: know where they meet. And I was like, none of 82 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: those people in my neighborhood were the least bit concerned 83 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 1: about anyone knowing where they were or who they were, 84 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: so it kind of struck me as interesting. And the 85 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: other thing that I keep thinking about, because I am 86 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: trying to grasp some many of the behaviors that I 87 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: see that don't make sense to me, is that old 88 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: saying that actors always say when people ask them why 89 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: they're so good at playing villains, And it's because villains 90 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: don't perceive themselves as the villains. They always think that 91 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: they are the hero. And I keep trying to apply that, like, 92 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: not in any way to excuse or both sides, is 93 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: um anything, but try to figure out really like what 94 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: is driving some of the behaviors. And I kept thinking 95 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: about that throughout this entire discussion of like did any 96 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: of these people ever stop in question that we're involved 97 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: in these co intel pro initiatives, like, hey, we've gone 98 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: a bit too far here, or are they all like 99 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: this is being done for the correct reason. We are 100 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: all supporting and keeping safe what is important to us 101 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: in this country, Like I I really always have to question, 102 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: did anybody go I don't know about this one? So 103 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident that like j Edgar Hoover thought 104 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: he was in the right with all of this, and 105 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: of course he died before any of these hearings happened. UM. 106 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: A thing that I found is I was researching and 107 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: then when I tried to go back to find it 108 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: and confirm it to put it in the episode, was 109 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: that when UM, the co intel pro black nationalists hate 110 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: groups pivoted to focus just on the Black Panthers, But 111 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: there was an agent who was like, they're just they're 112 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: giving breakfast to kids, Like what why? Why? And then 113 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: you know the memo that came back just doubling down 114 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: on what a violent threat the Black Panthers were. UM. 115 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: So like I feel confident there were individual people within 116 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: this whole system who were like, what this does not 117 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: make a lot of sense, or we should not be 118 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: doing this. UM. But like, as an organization, the Bureau 119 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: definitely felt like it was the force that was protecting 120 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: the American people from all of these nefarious influences when 121 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: the nefarious influences were like literally civil rights groups and 122 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: women's rights groups and people saying, hey, maybe we should 123 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: not be involved in this war in Vietnam. Like there 124 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: were I mean, as we tried to make clear in 125 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: the episode, like there definitely were individuals and groups who 126 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: did have UM like violent, uh, either violence as part 127 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: of the rhetoric or had been directly involved in violence 128 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: or whatever. But a lot of people were really just 129 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: like the way this country is working is not right 130 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: and we need to do something about it. And the 131 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: Bureau was like, that's a threat. We're going to bug 132 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: your house and fake letters to your wife to try 133 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: to get hurt to divorce you. Yeah. I don't. That's 134 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: where I'm That's where I have a really hard time 135 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: wrapping my head around. It's like, we will destroy you 136 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: for questioning and wanting better for everyone. That is really 137 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: terrifying to me. Yeah. We also didn't talk as much 138 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: about it in the episode, Like we did talk about 139 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: laws that variously like pulled back on um the idea 140 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: of communism being criminal um, and like court cases, especially 141 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: under the Warrnt Court, that were like, no, people have 142 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: the right to to talk about revolution being necessary as 143 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: like an abstract term like that, the idea that that 144 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the things that were illegal are still legal, 145 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: like at least in terms of the law. In a 146 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: lot of cases, it's like now that's protected under the 147 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: First Amendment. Now that doesn't mean that that's enforced consistently 148 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: across groups, depending on what people are calling for. UM. 149 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: When you and I started recording these episodes today, I 150 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: mentioned they were being long, and you were like, this 151 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: could have been a three parter, And there was a 152 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: couple of things. One was that I had gotten to 153 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: the point where I was like, I feel like I 154 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: have gone where I can go with this UM. And 155 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: the other is that like if it could be a 156 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: three part or it could be like a twelve partner, 157 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: it would be an entire brand new podcast that's just 158 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: about coinil pro that's going to run for three years. Uh, 159 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: because it's a lot. There's just a lot. Um. There's 160 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of like Freedom of Information Act stuff that's 161 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: on the like in the FBI Vault part of their 162 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: website that has you know, the documents. A lot of 163 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: them are redacted, but it's pages and pages and pages 164 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: stuff that you can read for yourself. UM. The Church Report, 165 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: all the stuff we read of it was from the 166 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: things that were specifically about the f b I, but 167 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: like that was a multiple volume, gigantic report. There's just 168 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: a ton of stuff. This is also a case where 169 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: if you were part of a community that was targeted 170 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: by one of these cotel pros. You probably already knew 171 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: a lot about this, and if you were not targeted 172 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: and don't know a lot of like FBI history or 173 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: counterintelligence history, this might have been all new information to you. Uh. Yeah, 174 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: there's part of me that wants to um ask my 175 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: father his thoughts on this, because I grew up in 176 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: a very conservative, like I said, military households, and I 177 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: was born in the midst of all of this. I 178 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: was born in n so really is like stuff was 179 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: hitting the fan. But I'm also afraid of that conversation. Sure, sure, yeah, 180 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: it's um, it's a lot, it's a whole, huge t angle. Also, 181 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed watching the documentary UM, which is available 182 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: on various streaming services UM. And it was one of 183 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: those things where I had stopped working in quotation marks, 184 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: like I had stopped working for the day UM And 185 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I really want to watch this documentary 186 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's gonna be something that I 187 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: can watch at eight PM and not feel like I 188 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: have just worked until bedtime, which is something I try 189 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: not to do. I try to like have some time 190 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: that is just my time. UM. And I turned it 191 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: on and Patrick was in the room with me, and 192 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: he had not I don't think he had started out 193 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: planning to watch it, but he got totally engrossed and 194 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: the next day was like, that was so fascinating. Um. 195 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: So again I have not read the book that was 196 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: also about that same story, but UM, that documentary I 197 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: really liked. Um. And a point that probably could have 198 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: been made during the episode that we didn't make is 199 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: that the activists who were involved in that in that 200 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: break in, we're white, and that gave them like some 201 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: added cover in terms of like going into this apartment 202 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: building on that night to do the break in. So anyway, uh, 203 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: intel pro. It's a bunch of thoughts I had about 204 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: cointel pro. It common beered my brain more than probably 205 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: any other episode I have ever worked on. I would 206 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: wake up at the two o'clock in the morning thinking 207 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: about FBI counterintelligence operations, right right, Yeah. It's one of 208 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: those things where, um, you know, we live in in 209 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: in the what's casually called the information age, where there 210 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: is often discussion of whether or not people are being 211 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: surveilled at all times or sometimes, and whether or not 212 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: that's being done by government agencies or private companies, etcetera. Etcetera, 213 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: which is always a whole tangle that is difficult. You know, 214 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: it's it's difficult for anyone to feel confident in their 215 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: position on it because there is always a lot of 216 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: stuff that we are not privy to. UM. I will, 217 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: as a way to potentially end this in an up place, 218 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: just note that I like to include a lot of 219 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: absurdity in my day to day life, just in case 220 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: or Schmo is having to listen to and short through 221 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: the things that I say, like, I don't know how 222 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: it's like a twelve minute monologue about kiddies and grito. 223 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, it's weird. Wow. That seems 224 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: like a good place to wrap. If folks would like 225 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: send us an email or history podcast that I had 226 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: radio dot com. Uh, have a good weekend, folks. Stuff 227 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: you missed in History Class is a production of I 228 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit 229 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,599 Speaker 1: the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 230 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.