Speaker 1: Welcome back, happy our listeners. I'm Becca Kuprin and I'm
Speaker 1: Michelle Young, and we are back with you again this
Speaker 1: week to talk about everything that went down in two
Speaker 1: episodes of this week in Bachelor of Paradise. Yes, we
Speaker 1: do have a lot to cover this week. I'm very
Speaker 1: happy to be back with you, Becca as always, because
Speaker 1: this week we're talking to a Bachelor Nation gem and
Speaker 1: self proclaimed old guy on the beach, Michael Ay. I
Speaker 1: love that he proclaims himself that because I feel like
Speaker 1: that was me last year on Paradise. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to have Michael on. We talked with him
Speaker 1: during Katie's season, which was man a year and a
Speaker 1: half ago now, but I want to get the scoop
Speaker 1: on his relationship with Sierra so far. We saw that
Speaker 1: pop off this week, and from the looks of it,
Speaker 1: it seems like they're right now one of the strongest
Speaker 1: couples on the island. So wait, it's not even an island,
Speaker 1: it's Mexico out man on the butt on the beach.
Speaker 1: But we'll have him on very shortly. But before that, Michelle,
Speaker 1: you have been traveling around. You are currently in Minnesota
Speaker 1: right now. You were at iHeart last week, which looks
Speaker 1: so fun, like just catch us up on all of
Speaker 1: your travel and adventures. So much fun. Yeah. Um, I
Speaker 1: was able to so like I feel like I was
Speaker 1: kind of finally getting settled in LA and then of
Speaker 1: course had to take off and I went to iHeart.
Speaker 1: It was in Vegas. We're so busy, but it was
Speaker 1: just it was so much fun to see so many
Speaker 1: artists perform, and I feel like it was kind of
Speaker 1: like a trip down memory lane, Like it was super
Speaker 1: nostalgic because I had to listen to like Avril Levine,
Speaker 1: Like do you remember an I was just listening to
Speaker 1: skater Boy in the car last night, Yes, exactly, so
Speaker 1: do I remember? Fulfills a certain part of your just
Speaker 1: I don't know, childhood growing up. And then I was
Speaker 1: able to do a little bit of hosting, which was
Speaker 1: super awesome. And the best part is that while we
Speaker 1: were filming, we were filming at the like the T
Speaker 1: Mobile Arena, and it was when all the bands were
Speaker 1: doing their like covers, like perform, warming up and all
Speaker 1: those things like playing through their sets. Yeah, and Sam
Speaker 1: Smith played his entire set and he played his new
Speaker 1: song Unholy and so I literally got to sit there
Speaker 1: and listen to it like it had gotten released the
Speaker 1: day before, and it was like the first time he's
Speaker 1: gonna be performing it live and I got to hear
Speaker 1: it before like anyone else. It was so cool. That's
Speaker 1: also so so cool. So yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: fun things, you know, a lot of tiktoks, a lot
Speaker 1: of Bachelor Nation alum that were there, and so it
Speaker 1: was good. And then headed back to Minnesota for a
Speaker 1: little bit, pop back to LA for some events, and
Speaker 1: now back in Minnesota. So I'm tired. Oh I can
Speaker 1: imagine I'm tired just here about all of these travels.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you really quick though, because I
Speaker 1: saw you mentioned the tiktoks, you mentioned the bachel Nation
Speaker 1: alumni that we're all at my heart. I loved the
Speaker 1: ones with you and Rachel. I loved watching your stories.
Speaker 1: How is she doing after everything? I know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: like she's still in the midst of all of this
Speaker 1: and it's still is probably very crazy. But now she's
Speaker 1: a bit removed and can focus on the future. So
Speaker 1: did she have fun? Was she doing well? I would say,
Speaker 1: I mean she's she's doing about as good as somebody
Speaker 1: could like in that position. I mean, do you remember
Speaker 1: when you're going through this entire Bachelor experience and it's
Speaker 1: like a year long experience or like a two year
Speaker 1: long experience before you slow down, because you typically go
Speaker 1: on as a contestant and then you move into becoming
Speaker 1: a lead and you're going through like the pre press
Speaker 1: and then your season and filming and then you're airing
Speaker 1: and then posts and all this different stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: like that moment where everything happens and then everything finally
Speaker 1: is done and you you it all catches up to you,
Speaker 1: like you're just emotionally exhausted, even on like even if
Speaker 1: you end up with the best case scenario, you're exhausted.
Speaker 1: And so she had literally gone from Afar and you know,
Speaker 1: going through that entire like announcing how everything went down
Speaker 1: with Tino, and then she hopped on a plane with
Speaker 1: Gabby to go to New York to do her press week,
Speaker 1: and then from there she went to Vegas and so
Speaker 1: it was nice to see her and spend so much
Speaker 1: time with her, and then you know, I took a
Speaker 1: picture because she was there's this point of the night
Speaker 1: where she was just knocked out on the bus as
Speaker 1: we're heading to the concert with like a red bull
Speaker 1: in her hand, and she's just like exhausted, and your
Speaker 1: heart just as like, oh because you remember that, and
Speaker 1: you know she's going through a breakup on top of
Speaker 1: all of that, right, So she's doing she's she's doing well.
Speaker 1: She's holding her ground and everything. I think she's just
Speaker 1: trying to kind of get her footing back. And you know,
Speaker 1: I know she was home in Florida for a little
Speaker 1: bit to spend time with her family and go to
Speaker 1: a wedding in Chicago recently, so she's she's starting to
Speaker 1: come back from it and re energize and things like that.
Speaker 1: It's just you're exhausted. Oh yeah, I can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I would never do this again just for that reason.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's so draining, and it's such like
Speaker 1: a jarring situation to go from being on the franchise
Speaker 1: schedule to constant press, constant appearances, whatever it might be,
Speaker 1: than to like nothing kind of and not that I
Speaker 1: heard was Deathani, but it was like more of her
Speaker 1: free time. But that is still so exhausting in itself that, um,
Speaker 1: We're going to plan a girls' night in La very soon.
Speaker 1: We got to get around to sleep for a week
Speaker 1: straight and then call me when you wake up. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got you, So be a little firm. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been busy, busy, busy. But enough about me, And of
Speaker 1: course I always checking with Rachel. But how have you been,
Speaker 1: What have you been up to? Are you how's everything
Speaker 1: going in San Diego. I know that you've been at
Speaker 1: a wedding recently, like a best friend's wedding. Yeah, We've
Speaker 1: been all over the place these past two weeks. We've
Speaker 1: been traveling. We had two weddings up. One was up
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara. Then we went back to Minnesota. We
Speaker 1: went to my friend's reception, and then I was able
Speaker 1: to spend some time in Minnesota and Wisconsin with my family,
Speaker 1: which was so nice, so needed. My sister, she has
Speaker 1: a three year old, her daughter just turned three and
Speaker 1: she is wild. But then she just had a baby.
Speaker 1: I might have mentioned this. Her baby's like two weeks old.
Speaker 1: So we went back and just spent time with the
Speaker 1: kiddos and just I swear I held him for like
Speaker 1: three fourths of the time. I just didn't even want
Speaker 1: to put him down because I was like, I'm only
Speaker 1: here for four days. I want to soak in all
Speaker 1: this baby time. But it was so good to be
Speaker 1: back with the family. And I mean, you know, because
Speaker 1: you're in Minnesota right now, like, there's nothing like the
Speaker 1: Midwest in the fall when it kind of gets cold
Speaker 1: and crisp and a leave start to change. It's just beautiful.
Speaker 1: So we did all of the full things. We went
Speaker 1: apple picking, took walks outside, we collected leaves. It was
Speaker 1: just it was such a blast. So it was really
Speaker 1: good to reset. And then we came back to San
Speaker 1: Diego and back to work working on some projects, planning
Speaker 1: more events for bordone. So yeah, it's been good. I
Speaker 1: do have to say, because we were talking about iHeart
Speaker 1: and music and all the cool concerts. There was a
Speaker 1: festival in San Diego this pat well not San Diego,
Speaker 1: in Orange County this past weekend, and I was able
Speaker 1: to see Stevie Nicks once again. And she is my
Speaker 1: absoon favorite and I saw her in twenty seventeen, literally
Speaker 1: right before I left to go on The Bachelor, and
Speaker 1: so to be able to see her again and now
Speaker 1: bring Thomas there, it was so special. I felt like
Speaker 1: so nostalgic watching her and hearing all the songs and
Speaker 1: just remembering the first TIMSR. But it was incredible. I
Speaker 1: am such a huge fan of her, and she is
Speaker 1: seventy four or still sounds incredible. She can. I'm like,
Speaker 1: the energy that it takes to be on stage and
Speaker 1: perform is one thing, but like she does it in
Speaker 1: these massive high platform heels, with these like beautiful dresses
Speaker 1: and kimonos and just still has all of the energy
Speaker 1: and everything. I was like, she is crushing it, Like
Speaker 1: she is incredible, absolutely breathtaking and studying. So it was
Speaker 1: so much fun. But yeah, life has been good. We're
Speaker 1: still obviously working on the house. Watching Paradise. You know
Speaker 1: Thomas Thomas, he won't watch the regular season, but he'll
Speaker 1: watch Paradise just for the memories. So for all the memories.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. I can ficture him saying that. I
Speaker 1: think we talked a little bit about that last time.
Speaker 1: But wait, did Thomas get to hold the baby? He did?
Speaker 1: Was that was that super? Like? Okay, wait, yeah, tell
Speaker 1: us how he was, Like when did he look comfortable?
Speaker 1: Because Thomas seems like he'd be really good with kids.
Speaker 1: But I'm very curious of like how worn't. Oh, he's
Speaker 1: great with kids. He's he is so good, especially with
Speaker 1: my three year old because she's so full of energy,
Speaker 1: like they could just play and run around. It's funny
Speaker 1: seeing him with a newborn because he has we have
Speaker 1: a nephew who is he just turned to and like
Speaker 1: we went to his one year old birthday too, and
Speaker 1: like he'd hold him, but you know as a one
Speaker 1: year old, like he's a little bit bigger. Having him
Speaker 1: hold this newborn, he literally just like has to put
Speaker 1: My nephew's name is Locke. He just like cast up
Speaker 1: at lock in his hand and like that's all he needs.
Speaker 1: But he's because he's so big. I'm like, don't crush him,
Speaker 1: like he has a soft spot on his head. Be careful.
Speaker 1: But he was great with him, and he did not
Speaker 1: change any diapers, which I was really hoping he would
Speaker 1: do because he has not once in his life changed
Speaker 1: a diaper. He says that the first diaper he ever changes,
Speaker 1: it's going to be his own flesh and blood. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that makes me nervous because you're not
Speaker 1: going to know what the hell you're doing, right, But
Speaker 1: he was like that's kind of cute. Wait, you and smart.
Speaker 1: Dirty so many dirty, oh, so many. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do when we have a baby.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, I'll practice on a doll. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: it is not the same when you have a doll
Speaker 1: versus like moving limbs and like pe on you like
Speaker 1: a little hose like. So he's he has a lot
Speaker 1: of practice. But I definitely think it made us both
Speaker 1: realize that we want to have kids sooner, good later. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: but okay, I oh my god, I just got so excited. Okay,
Speaker 1: I called babysitting. Michelle is gonna be here all the time.
Speaker 1: We'll be right there. Um, okay, so are you gonna
Speaker 1: squash the rumors of um? Everybody is convinced that Ean
Speaker 1: Thomas got married already? Wait, who who thought we got married?
Speaker 1: It's all in my das. I think it might be
Speaker 1: on some somebody's screenshot. Yeah, it's because I think happened.
Speaker 1: I think what happened is it was Thomas or somebody
Speaker 1: posted a video, the video of you singing at the concert.
Speaker 1: Oh the wife comment, yeah, the wife comment. And so
Speaker 1: everybody convinced. Everybody's convinced that you eloped and didn't tell
Speaker 1: anybody and that you guys are just already married. No,
Speaker 1: we did not Elope. I will squash themers right now.
Speaker 1: We did not Elope. It's not a I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying we wouldn't elope and not tell anyone for
Speaker 1: a while because we kept the engagement a secret for
Speaker 1: a long time. But no, we didn't. Um No, he
Speaker 1: always just calls me his wife, like I think the
Speaker 1: second we got engaged, and like we've lived together for
Speaker 1: a while now, like we know that wear each other's futures,
Speaker 1: he just calls me his wife. And so when I thought,
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about it because I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I hear it all the time from him. But yeah, no, um,
Speaker 1: we did not Elope. Okay, so you heard it here everybody,
Speaker 1: but comment are not married yet yet. But I'd love
Speaker 1: to say we might not do it one day, but no,
Speaker 1: we would definitely need like our families there with us.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't just a little and not have like my
Speaker 1: sister and our parents there. So I think why people
Speaker 1: also are like, yeah, they definitely are already married is
Speaker 1: because the whole proposal and like how you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you guys kept that a very quiet
Speaker 1: secret we're good secret keepers. You really are like it
Speaker 1: was you guys are volts like nobody knew and so
Speaker 1: they're like definitely no, we um, yeah, we're I mean,
Speaker 1: I will say, there's something fun about like knowing something
Speaker 1: that just you and your partner, no and no one else.
Speaker 1: It's like it just makes it more special. But no,
Speaker 1: one day, very soon, well I don't even know if
Speaker 1: it's very soon, don't quote me on that, but one
Speaker 1: day it'll happen. But not quite yet. But he can
Speaker 1: still call me his wife. I think it's cute. I
Speaker 1: don't mind. I think it's cute too. He suck with
Speaker 1: me now, so you know. Yeah, But with that, we
Speaker 1: have to have the man of the hour on. Michael
Speaker 1: A who you know him from Katie's season. He's back
Speaker 1: on the beach. He just started this little relationship with Sierra,
Speaker 1: so I think it's just time to bring him on.
Speaker 1: And I know we have some questions for him because
Speaker 1: it's been a while since we've talked with him. So
Speaker 1: everybody please welcome Michael ad Aboucher Happy Hour. Hello Michael,
Speaker 1: how are you doing it? I'm doing good? How are
Speaker 1: you guys doing? We're great? It's been a minute though
Speaker 1: since we've seen you last Yes, a lot of time
Speaker 1: has passed, and you know, it feels like I just
Speaker 1: left Albuquerque. Sometimes I swear this whole world is ridiculous,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking that I got back from Albuquerque. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it was you know, mid last year. It
Speaker 1: feels like a lifetime ago, and so it feels weird
Speaker 1: to be back on the beach and doing this thing
Speaker 1: all over again. Oh, Michael, now that I'm talking to you,
Speaker 1: it's all coming back to me because I had mentioned
Speaker 1: to Michelle we had you on Happy Hour during the
Speaker 1: midst of Katie's season, you know, one of those first
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And actually when we had interviewed you
Speaker 1: at that point, I was on the beach in Paradise.
Speaker 1: I had to like take a little break a few
Speaker 1: hours off come back to the home accord with you.
Speaker 1: So I was literally like where you're at now watching
Speaker 1: the season like I was there doing that. And it's
Speaker 1: so crazy to like see you now because you've gone
Speaker 1: through this full experience once again. I cannot wait to
Speaker 1: just pick your brain on everything. But what have you
Speaker 1: been up to since leaving the beach? Without giving too
Speaker 1: much away, Like, I'm sure your life is crazy. You
Speaker 1: have your lovely son, Like, how has it been, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of getting back into this world and like what's
Speaker 1: life like? Yeah, I mean getting back into my normal life.
Speaker 1: It you know, it didn't take long whatsoever. I jumped
Speaker 1: right back I can. I mean, James isn't somebody that
Speaker 1: can wait around for me to find my footing. So
Speaker 1: it was it was really quick. And James actually just
Speaker 1: went to kindergarten. He had his first day, jeez, about
Speaker 1: a month ago. And I never thought it would be
Speaker 1: as emotional as it actually was. I used to make
Speaker 1: fun of parents all the time for, you know, getting
Speaker 1: all emotional about their kids going back to school. But
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about the kid kind of
Speaker 1: growing up, taking like those first steps. And he just
Speaker 1: felt like an adult that day. And I'm dropping him
Speaker 1: off at this like major large school and I'm like,
Speaker 1: just please take care of him. Oh my god. But
Speaker 1: he was he was crazy brave, and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's there's a lot of firsts that I'm
Speaker 1: experiencing as a parent, and you know, each phase is great. Um.
Speaker 1: I think people will always ask me, you know, what's
Speaker 1: your favorite phase? You know, what's your favorite time? It's
Speaker 1: always the next one. Um, it's just kind of cool
Speaker 1: to you know, grow beside him and see the world
Speaker 1: through his eyes. M Did you set any tears dropping
Speaker 1: him off? Absolutely? I was. I think I was like
Speaker 1: in a caravan of sad parents, just like with their
Speaker 1: head on their steering wheel, you know, wondering if their
Speaker 1: kid's ever going to come back. And yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was an emotional one. Um, I dried up, I
Speaker 1: toughened up a little bit, and you know, got back
Speaker 1: to work. It's got to be harder for the parents.
Speaker 1: So for the kids, I'm sure. I think I think
Speaker 1: it probably is, because you know, there's nothing we can do.
Speaker 1: We can't be there, we can't hold their hand the
Speaker 1: entire time. Sometimes you know, got to kick the bird
Speaker 1: out of the nest, as they say, and let them,
Speaker 1: you know, find their own own path in life. Speaking
Speaker 1: of phases, I feel I don't have kids of my own,
Speaker 1: but I always hear just dropping them off when they're
Speaker 1: in like pretty school, kindergarten, first second grade, and then
Speaker 1: you know, their backpack is larger than them, and like turtles,
Speaker 1: we're just so cute right with these big eyes. And
Speaker 1: then once they get to like fifth grade, sixth grade,
Speaker 1: like at the end of the summer, like you see
Speaker 1: those videos of the parents just like kicking them out
Speaker 1: the door like peace, like thank god, once they start
Speaker 1: to smell. I'm sorry. James definitely had that like turtle
Speaker 1: size backpack on because I just you know, they send
Speaker 1: you so many emails about what to pack, what to do,
Speaker 1: so I'm just stuffing that thing like you may need this,
Speaker 1: there may be an apocalypse. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: And I'm just stuffing this thing like he's some sort
Speaker 1: of end of day's horder here and k could barely
Speaker 1: even get it to class as a teacher, though we
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Okay, send all the supplies, all of it.
Speaker 1: Spent some wine too, and it may not be on
Speaker 1: the first day, but send some wine. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: like this, you can bring it out a bottle of
Speaker 1: wine like here, miss young Is, I've had that happened before.
Speaker 1: But like those are the best gifts because like teacher
Speaker 1: Appreciation Week and these different things, the parents who just
Speaker 1: get it and they'll send in like they'll send in
Speaker 1: wine and like you don't you know to not open
Speaker 1: the gift, like not that. Of course, you don't open
Speaker 1: the bottle of wine. Let me clarify you wine until
Speaker 1: you get home. Okayone coming after me. But the best
Speaker 1: gifts were like the ones were like it was a
Speaker 1: bottle of wine, and it was just like, here's a
Speaker 1: bottle of wine because I know my kid is the
Speaker 1: reason you're drinking after school, like they know. Okay, at
Speaker 1: least you know I know, and you know. It's it's
Speaker 1: such a bittersweet thing because summer is really tough, like
Speaker 1: as a single parent. I mean, he's he's here, and
Speaker 1: it's like I've got jobs, I've got work to do,
Speaker 1: I've got things in At the same time, I'm constantly
Speaker 1: trying to make sure that he's entertained and also like
Speaker 1: not becoming a couch potato like waste of base. So
Speaker 1: it's like doing all these like crafts and like cutouts
Speaker 1: and all of these things that was running. I was
Speaker 1: really running out. Ideas Dad of the Year goes to you,
Speaker 1: I will say, just trying hardly, hardly get out of
Speaker 1: the year. But I'm out here trying. That's all you
Speaker 1: need as long as you love your kid. Mere putting
Speaker 1: the effort. And I don't know James, but he seems
Speaker 1: like a wonderful child, and like I can see how
Speaker 1: much you love him just from talking to you, and
Speaker 1: you had mentioned him going to school was obviously very
Speaker 1: emotional for you. And I have to say one of
Speaker 1: the you did make me cry on the podcast last
Speaker 1: time we had you on, But one of the most
Speaker 1: emotional moments that we've seen on this show, at least
Speaker 1: for me personally, was your exit when you were leaving,
Speaker 1: and it was because you needed to be there for
Speaker 1: your son. So did you ever think, now flash forward
Speaker 1: to a year after that, that you would be back
Speaker 1: on the show on the Beaches of Paradise doing this
Speaker 1: once again. You know, I never thought i'd be a
Speaker 1: part of it again. I'm glad i am, because it's
Speaker 1: a really cool, unique experience. I mean, outside of trying
Speaker 1: to find the person you're supposed to be with, you
Speaker 1: also get to meet a lot of amazing people that
Speaker 1: you never would have crossed paths with. So it's like
Speaker 1: you're always trying to take the good and the bad.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who have questions about, you know, me going back on
Speaker 1: the show and doing this again, they don't really necessarily
Speaker 1: understand that, you know, two things can be true at
Speaker 1: the same time. I can miss James, I can want
Speaker 1: to be a great dad and also I want to
Speaker 1: I can be an individual, and I can pursue the
Speaker 1: things that I need to pursue in order to feel
Speaker 1: a sense of fulfillment. And both those two things are
Speaker 1: absolutely true. They don't have to be one or the other.
Speaker 1: James was certainly not an excuse for why I left
Speaker 1: Katie season. Katie knows that too. You know, this season
Speaker 1: of Paradise is a little bit different. A year later
Speaker 1: in a kid's life is a lot. We were able
Speaker 1: to talk significantly about what we wanted, what I was
Speaker 1: going to do, and I was going to be away
Speaker 1: and all of that. And also, you know, filming is
Speaker 1: a little bit less than before. And it was his
Speaker 1: summer and he went on a lot of vacations with
Speaker 1: his grandparents and his parents. His grandparents love having that
Speaker 1: one on one time to create those memories too, So
Speaker 1: it was kind of a perfect opportunity to you know,
Speaker 1: dive back in see if I can find my person
Speaker 1: and you know, not have to battle those what ifs
Speaker 1: that can haunt us if we don't take him right.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you what went into your
Speaker 1: decision to like finally deciding that you are going to
Speaker 1: go back to the beach or go to the beach.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, probably a late edition. I was
Speaker 1: holding off for a while. You know, it came at
Speaker 1: a time when you know, James was in a good place.
Speaker 1: Schedules really aligned. I was in a good, you know,
Speaker 1: mental state to be able to jump back in there
Speaker 1: and be open and honest and try to find somebody.
Speaker 1: So it was like a lot of things working in tandem.
Speaker 1: And if I weren't, if I wasn't able to do that,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have done it. And so
Speaker 1: it just seemed like the stars aligned. Yeah, going back
Speaker 1: to your thing, I mean, when you leave for the
Speaker 1: actual show, it's a much longer time period that you
Speaker 1: could potentially be gone for. Paradise is quick, like I
Speaker 1: don't think people realize. And so most kids too, in
Speaker 1: the summer's, like you said, go on vacations with their
Speaker 1: grandparents or with other family members. They leave for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And so the fact that it was
Speaker 1: the summer break and can do that I think it
Speaker 1: was great timing for everyone involved. So let's get into
Speaker 1: the actual season and episodes, because so far we've seen
Speaker 1: three episodes and a lot has happened. I want to
Speaker 1: first start with day one. You walking down on the beach.
Speaker 1: What were you feeling like, just excitement, nerves, anticipation for
Speaker 1: like what was to come? Where was your head in
Speaker 1: your heart at Yeah, there's something about Paradise where I
Speaker 1: feel as though like the relationships have a greater chance
Speaker 1: of working. And I mainly believe that just because of
Speaker 1: the time that you're allowed to spend with somebody, there's
Speaker 1: a lot more you know, freedom of choice, and you
Speaker 1: can get deeper with people. I think on the you know,
Speaker 1: the Bachelor of the Bachelorette, you're living and dying by
Speaker 1: one on one dates or group dates and things like that.
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes on the beach, it's kind of great
Speaker 1: not to be included in any of those things. So
Speaker 1: you because if I'd like to go on a date,
Speaker 1: I'd like to go take my girlfriend to the beach,
Speaker 1: and so it's like we'll just stay back at the
Speaker 1: stay back at the pad and get to know each
Speaker 1: other and relax. Um. So I really thought that, um,
Speaker 1: in terms of expediting the dating process, which is actually
Speaker 1: really hard for me. Um. I've said this before. It's like,
Speaker 1: when you're dating, that's time away from my son too,
Speaker 1: And so you know, you could go on a bunch
Speaker 1: of first dates and those are nights away. So this
Speaker 1: is kind of a way to consolidate everything. And it's
Speaker 1: actually very efficient in terms of you know, time and
Speaker 1: getting to know people, and you know, also sneaking in
Speaker 1: a vacation there honestly, which I desperately needed. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like speed dating uncracked. It really, Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1: Can you tell all of the listeners and viewers out there,
Speaker 1: like the amount of time that you had with Katie
Speaker 1: on on her season versus the amount of time that
Speaker 1: you spent with Sierra or anyone in those first three days?
Speaker 1: How do those both compare? Oh? I mean I probably
Speaker 1: spent more time with Sierra than I did with Katie
Speaker 1: the entire season in three days. Yeah, in three days, yes,
Speaker 1: And you know, you're really dialed into getting to know somebody.
Speaker 1: You see them in an atmosphere around friends, you see
Speaker 1: how they're perceived. Um, you know, which isn't everything, but
Speaker 1: it's something you know, I always like to see, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm with somebody, who do they hang out with?
Speaker 1: You know, what do others think about them? Am I
Speaker 1: blinded by one thing or the other? You know? And
Speaker 1: it's it's a good kind of like litmus test to
Speaker 1: be able to to see the invalidate or negate like
Speaker 1: who you're with at that time. That's very true. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So how okay? So and you're coming to the beach,
Speaker 1: is there anybody that was like on top of your
Speaker 1: mind that you really wanted to meet? You know, I
Speaker 1: was a last addition, So I really wasn't looking at
Speaker 1: the cast and all of that. And I specifically did
Speaker 1: that because I think if you try to create a
Speaker 1: plan down there, it backfires. Yeah. The only way to
Speaker 1: do it is to go down there with an open
Speaker 1: heart too and an open mind. You know, sometimes people
Speaker 1: get trapped in how they want their experience to be
Speaker 1: and it takes away from just the organic nature of
Speaker 1: going down there and letting it lead. And so I
Speaker 1: really didn't, you know, have anybody particularly in mind, but
Speaker 1: just open to it and see who I was drawn to.
Speaker 1: We weren't surprised that everybody was so excited to see you.
Speaker 1: We like we kind of knew that that that was
Speaker 1: going to happen, been right watching it? Or you surprised
Speaker 1: to see that you were very hot commodity that Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I think, um,
Speaker 1: you know, there's nobody there. That's everyone's cup of tea.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's going to have their opinion one way
Speaker 1: or the other, and people are going to have their preferences.
Speaker 1: What I tried to do when I was down there was,
Speaker 1: you know, pool people aside individually to get to actually
Speaker 1: know them, not just when you know the cameras are rolling,
Speaker 1: but who are they Like I may never see you again,
Speaker 1: I want to know a little bit about you, and
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people just are not exactly They're more than how they
Speaker 1: are portrayed in the segments on any show. And so
Speaker 1: I didn't want to have any bias from the way
Speaker 1: I saw them previous seasons or that this, that or
Speaker 1: the other, and just kind of, you know, go with
Speaker 1: it and see where it takes me. That's the mindset
Speaker 1: you need. I get it. One mindset that I can
Speaker 1: relate to is you make all these youthful comments, and
Speaker 1: you were joking that you're like the old guy on
Speaker 1: the beach, which I did the same when I went
Speaker 1: down there last year. Don't you think though, being a
Speaker 1: little bit older is a positive thing coming into this
Speaker 1: because it kind of removes yourself from the drama and
Speaker 1: you can realize what's important and not necessarily important when
Speaker 1: finding a partner. Yes, first, let me address the youthful
Speaker 1: youthful comments here. Okay, so Andrew and I were talking
Speaker 1: about the girls that were currently there, which you know
Speaker 1: were Serene, I think Genevieve, maybe Teddy was there, and
Speaker 1: you know, they're all great people, but they were not
Speaker 1: the one for me. And I could totally like sense that, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't feeling that kind of draw to them.
Speaker 1: So instead of saying something like negative, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're youthful, but I love it and I'm what one
Speaker 1: thing people are gonna have to get used to is
Speaker 1: that when I when I get uncomfortable, I say really
Speaker 1: awkward things. So that's going to be a theme probably,
Speaker 1: so you know, get used to it. People are like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's so creepy, creepy old man kind of thing, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not saying it like that. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I don't know, I don't know whatever I'm suppressed.
Speaker 1: I didn't give you a cane for your intro, Michael, Yeah,
Speaker 1: right right the bottom you imagined, Michael, pushing that through
Speaker 1: the sand miss opportunity. But I think I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think there is a benefit of you know, whether
Speaker 1: or not you're older or you've just had a life
Speaker 1: filled with Vicks experience one or the other. The two
Speaker 1: are not necessarily the same. And you know, it's not
Speaker 1: just about age as much as it is about have
Speaker 1: you done your work? You know, have you worked on yourself?
Speaker 1: Do you know who you are? You are? You do?
Speaker 1: You know what you want out of life? And that
Speaker 1: can come in a lot of different ages. And I
Speaker 1: know older people that have never done their work. So
Speaker 1: it's not exactly you know, you have to be this
Speaker 1: certain age to qualify UM. But you you do see
Speaker 1: some sort of pattern between living life, overcoming obstacles, having
Speaker 1: that resilience being tested UM, and you know, be like
Speaker 1: feeling complete and that you're ready to find your match. Yes,
Speaker 1: well said, I'm gonna say, would you say that's the
Speaker 1: definition of How did sis it? Saddy? Michael Sia is
Speaker 1: a gem. Oh she's a little firecracker. I love it.
Speaker 1: I want to count the number of times that you
Speaker 1: were referred to as a zaddi with a Z. Don't
Speaker 1: get it twisted? How did How does it feel knowing
Speaker 1: that you're a zaddie? You know, the first time I
Speaker 1: ever heard this term was last season, I think towards
Speaker 1: the tail end um and now, I mean I think
Speaker 1: if you were doing The Bachelor, you know, drinking game
Speaker 1: and Zaddy, every time you did it you took a shot,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have made it to like the first commercial break.
Speaker 1: It was just lying hot and and I'm telling you
Speaker 1: it's everywhere now. All my guy friends are making fun
Speaker 1: of me. It's all in the text threads. I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to respond to it, really, so
Speaker 1: I'll probably just say something for you about to increase
Speaker 1: for you. Wait, there's there's a ball cap that just
Speaker 1: says daddy on the top. One of my best friends
Speaker 1: who just had a baby has it now, So I
Speaker 1: really want to get you this daddy hat. Oh say daddy,
Speaker 1: and can you like we can definitely do some to
Speaker 1: do with sharpie. I'll take a picture with, but I
Speaker 1: can't promise I'll wear it. Let's go start to wear
Speaker 1: it everywhere. When you dropped James off to school the
Speaker 1: next time in this little turtle backpack. You need this
Speaker 1: daddy hat. Okay, deal. If you need to report it too,
Speaker 1: I need to say we're going to require proof, footage proof.
Speaker 1: Oh god, He's like, it's never gonna end. Now where
Speaker 1: do you go? No? No, No, my friends are ruthless too.
Speaker 1: I mean they are firing at me. There could be
Speaker 1: worst things like exam daddy and what is Sam mean?
Speaker 1: What the hell are people talking about these kids these days?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not doing anything speaking of where
Speaker 1: this has come from. Now U with Sierra, let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. Let's get into it talking about you two.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is not necessarily a connection that
Speaker 1: I predicted Becca, What about you? No, but I can't
Speaker 1: protect anything done on that beach. Ask how like how
Speaker 1: did it go down? Yeah? So, And this is a
Speaker 1: perfect case in point of not trying to plan your route, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and plan your experience. You know, Sierra is
Speaker 1: somebody that if you've ever met her, she just has
Speaker 1: so much energy I mean one, she is gorgeous, um,
Speaker 1: just incredibly beautiful. Um, but inside and out too. UM.
Speaker 1: We were able to have so many different conversations and
Speaker 1: they got deep really really quickly. And it wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: me just pouring it out, but she was giving me
Speaker 1: a lot in return. Um, just things about you know,
Speaker 1: her upbringing, you know where she came from, UM, you
Speaker 1: know her mom. You know, being in orphan in Korea. Um.
Speaker 1: You know Sierra felt a calling to go to Korean
Speaker 1: and teach kindergarteners at an earlier age too, and just
Speaker 1: basically sold off all of her stuff because of that calling.
Speaker 1: Those types of things are evident to me that she's
Speaker 1: somebody that has done her work, that she has put
Speaker 1: in the time, and I was immediately drawn to it.
Speaker 1: She's hilarious all of these amazing things, and so I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I think from what people may
Speaker 1: have seen of me on Katie's season, they may have
Speaker 1: been surprised, but people that actually you know me as
Speaker 1: a person, it's not a surprise at all that I
Speaker 1: was drown to her. Yeah. She We've had her on
Speaker 1: the podcast before and she is so funny. She's like
Speaker 1: you said, just so energetic. She like, she just has
Speaker 1: this vibe to her that I feel like is infectious.
Speaker 1: So I completely understand. So that we the men had
Speaker 1: the roses, What was that like standing at your very
Speaker 1: first rose ceremony and actually being the one to hand
Speaker 1: that out. Yeah, you know, I've been through a few
Speaker 1: rose ceremonies and to actually have barroses it I felt pressure. Honestly.
Speaker 1: I think some people may feel like they're safe or
Speaker 1: a sense of power, but I was almost just hoping
Speaker 1: that the women would have it, so you know, we
Speaker 1: don't have to make any decisions or anything like what
Speaker 1: needs to be done, Let it be done. But you know,
Speaker 1: for me, you know Sierra, we had so many great
Speaker 1: conversations leading up to the rose ceremony, that was the
Speaker 1: obvious choice. So I think for her, you know, going
Speaker 1: into it, if she did have any you know, questions
Speaker 1: or hesitations on whether or not I was going to
Speaker 1: give it to her, Hopefully it was very little because
Speaker 1: she was really the one person I was dialed into. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what rose ceremonies are just always so you
Speaker 1: just you never know what's gonna go down. Rose ceremonies
Speaker 1: give me anxiety. There there are so much more stressful,
Speaker 1: so much more stressful than anyone realizes. The show makes
Speaker 1: it look great. It's like so structured. You have the
Speaker 1: one person, Saint William said, it's like way more intense
Speaker 1: than anyone will ever realize. With everyone staring at you too, Michael,
Speaker 1: and you have to like it's not I can't imagine
Speaker 1: which you two have been through. I mean, I'm coming
Speaker 1: as some lonely contesting you know you guys, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine the way, especially towards the ending. Oh how heavy
Speaker 1: it all bits that but is when it gets hard
Speaker 1: but for you, but for you in Paradise, like for us,
Speaker 1: you know, we stand there and we say, will you
Speaker 1: accept this? Throws and we say the name, like that's
Speaker 1: all we really have to do. In Paradise. You have
Speaker 1: to like give this little spear of why you're handing
Speaker 1: it out to them, and like that was that the
Speaker 1: hard part for you? Each and every week You're like,
Speaker 1: oh what do I say here? You know, I just
Speaker 1: want somebody to accept this, and I don't want everyone
Speaker 1: else to hear what I'm trying to say to this
Speaker 1: person right now? Yeah, you know, not, it wasn't that
Speaker 1: hard I mean, I'm I'm kind of somebody that you know,
Speaker 1: just speaks from the heart. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: perfect as long as it's felt and it's real. So
Speaker 1: you know, I don't put too much pressure on, you know,
Speaker 1: the delivery as much as just making sure that whoever's
Speaker 1: on the receiving end, you know, feels that it's it's
Speaker 1: honest and it's true. Well, damn, Michael, I'm going to
Speaker 1: start having you read all my speeches. I didn't say
Speaker 1: they're pretty I really though there's so much that goes on,
Speaker 1: but um switching gears just a little bit here. I
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts and to know that Beck
Speaker 1: would also want to get your thoughts on everything that's
Speaker 1: going down in Paradise up until this point. So like,
Speaker 1: what did you think of like the Jill Kira Romeo
Speaker 1: love triangle? Give it from your perspective. Yeah, it's that
Speaker 1: was a really interesting one. And you know, the second
Speaker 1: I got down to Paradise, it was very kumbayab and
Speaker 1: you just know that it's not going to be there
Speaker 1: like that for too long. And that whole thing took
Speaker 1: off and it was kind of confusing for me because
Speaker 1: I wasn't really aware of any of the prior history
Speaker 1: that they have all shared, and you know, watching that
Speaker 1: on last week's episode, it was like, whoa where did
Speaker 1: all this come from? Because I feel like I wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily around during all of this chaos. You would hear,
Speaker 1: you know, Jill screaming echoing down the you know, the beach,
Speaker 1: and you wonder in what's going on. But I mean,
Speaker 1: other than that, I feel like, I feel like Romeo,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's somebody that wears his heart on
Speaker 1: his sleeve. I don't think he's somebody that has, you know,
Speaker 1: any sort of malicious intent, but he's he was down
Speaker 1: there trying to figure out who his person was, and
Speaker 1: I think he just got smitten by, you know, two
Speaker 1: women that you know are great. I don't think Romeo
Speaker 1: had any idea what was happening down on that beach.
Speaker 1: From what we saw, he had no clue of how
Speaker 1: to work through any conversations or anything. It was very
Speaker 1: entertaining as a viewer, but I'm like, sir, you got
Speaker 1: to be more direct and just kind of like have
Speaker 1: a game plan in your mind here whatsoever? Yeah, I think, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I got to I got to learn a
Speaker 1: little bit more about Romeo just he was, you know,
Speaker 1: in the bunk bed next to me, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's a really fascinating guy with an interesting background in
Speaker 1: interesting pay that is literally polar opposite of mine. So
Speaker 1: I found that really instead of me like thinking that
Speaker 1: it's it's weird or odd, it's it's always interesting to
Speaker 1: see how people process things and how they approach it.
Speaker 1: And I mean he approaches things entirely different than me.
Speaker 1: Like if there was a polar opposite, it's him, And
Speaker 1: so we would have some talks and stuff, and I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I was just always interested in
Speaker 1: what he had to say. Yeah, Roley was a very
Speaker 1: intriguing person. I remember that conversations were always so interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh my, wait, he was in your season, yeah, Michelle,
Speaker 1: I thought he was on Katie and Gabby's. No, he
Speaker 1: was on my season where we are Romeo is down
Speaker 1: on the sand trying to find two Juliets. Michael, I
Speaker 1: want to ask you this because we have and Michelle
Speaker 1: and I had talked about this a lot of the
Speaker 1: cast members on this each we feel like this is
Speaker 1: the first time we're actually really seeing them and getting
Speaker 1: to know them, and one of those people is Casey,
Speaker 1: who I find hilarious. I'm obsessed with Casey. He might
Speaker 1: just be one of my favorite people on this season
Speaker 1: so far. Like his one liners, Like he's so quick witted,
Speaker 1: Like he's just I want more of Casey. Is he
Speaker 1: as funny in person as he is on this show, Like,
Speaker 1: just describe Casey for me a little bit. Yes, Casey
Speaker 1: is one of the funniest people I've ever met. I mean,
Speaker 1: quick witted. Absolutely, he's funnier. Like if you think he's
Speaker 1: funny on camera, he's even better off camera. Like he
Speaker 1: just has this really amazing way of breaking things down.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's his perspective always has this really dry
Speaker 1: humor to it that I don't know, it adds, it
Speaker 1: adds of it. Even during like the really stressful times
Speaker 1: on the beach, he was always somebody that I buddied
Speaker 1: up with, and um, we had like an immediate connection
Speaker 1: just just because you know we have we have similar histories,
Speaker 1: similar you know, ade ranges, all of that, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I think people are going to really enjoy
Speaker 1: some of his commentary this season. I feel like he's
Speaker 1: a good morale for everyone. Yeah, yeah, season, let him
Speaker 1: narrate the season seriously, totally. Yes, the man is hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of just different examples. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: He had some hilarious comment where we were supposed to
Speaker 1: be dead serious, like shit was hitting the fan during
Speaker 1: this stupid sleeping please your X two. Yeah, Michelle Pacy
Speaker 1: is a gem. Anyway, let's let's let's turn the microphone
Speaker 1: over to Michelle. Yeah. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like the ice Breakers, like the ship were supposed to
Speaker 1: be like dead ass serious, like I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be pissed off, and like I'd catch somebody that he
Speaker 1: would say and I would just burst out laugh so funny.
Speaker 1: You know, it's often extremely like inappropriate and dry and
Speaker 1: wonderful and like yeah, I don't know. His humor aligns
Speaker 1: really like mine too, So he's super He comes off
Speaker 1: so humble, like incredibly humble, and I think that's the
Speaker 1: thing that I love the most. And even he made
Speaker 1: I don't know what comment he made to somebody. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I was like a pretty sorry if
Speaker 1: I'm throwing you under the bus, casey, but it was
Speaker 1: like a comment he made where on my season where
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, Like normally I'm like I'm like
Speaker 1: a solid nine in the real world, but like now
Speaker 1: that I'm around all these good looking guys, He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm like a walking two at best. Just like, really,
Speaker 1: I'm on the podcast. Yeah, very humble, very insightful. He
Speaker 1: would be an entertaining guest, no doubt. Oh so good
Speaker 1: one of these days when we will have him on.
Speaker 1: But I could actually see you too getting along because
Speaker 1: you both seem very similar. And yeah, you both just
Speaker 1: always seem like you're just positive and happy, and not
Speaker 1: to say that you're always like that, but again, good
Speaker 1: moral for other people when they're down and going through
Speaker 1: all the crazy drama that is paradise. I feel like
Speaker 1: you both would be good people to gravitate towards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Casey and I have a similar perspective. And
Speaker 1: you know, when you're down on the beach, it can
Speaker 1: be exhausting. I mean, it's hot as hell, there are
Speaker 1: bugs everywhere. I mean, you're sleep deprived, and I think
Speaker 1: people get caught up in that and they're not seeing
Speaker 1: the bigger picture, which is this is such a cool
Speaker 1: moment to share, like it's going to be gone in
Speaker 1: a flash and so you know, don't get caught up
Speaker 1: with you know this, that and the other. And it's like,
Speaker 1: this is just the cool opportunity to dial in, focus
Speaker 1: on yourself, focused on relationships, meet new people. See if
Speaker 1: it works, if it does amazing, If it doesn't, you'll
Speaker 1: always have that to look back on, those memories and
Speaker 1: you'll value them. So it's like, make make the most
Speaker 1: of it. I am. So I want to ask you
Speaker 1: this because obviously not everyone has done a season of
Speaker 1: the Batch Short or Batch Short and then goes on
Speaker 1: to Paradise. But I always like to ask people who
Speaker 1: have done both, because they're so drastically different. What did
Speaker 1: you have more fun filming? Oh, definitely Paradise, hands down,
Speaker 1: not even not even close. I mean it's it's better
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. I mean, I loved Katie's
Speaker 1: season because I think Katie's amazing person. She was great
Speaker 1: in the role, and I love the guys from our season.
Speaker 1: The difference is is that people warm up a lot
Speaker 1: quicker on Paradise. I think, so they've done this before,
Speaker 1: they understand kind of you know, what's going on. They
Speaker 1: can see it from a little bit higher up, and
Speaker 1: you get to know people a lot faster. You get
Speaker 1: to spend more time with people and gets known. There's
Speaker 1: a little bit more freedom into you know, what you
Speaker 1: can do during the day, and it feels more organic
Speaker 1: in so many ways. Jet's just my opinion. Then you
Speaker 1: know some of the formalities and everything that goes along
Speaker 1: with bachelor and bachelorette. This is a lot more laid back,
Speaker 1: many more fluid. Tell me that you don't miss somebody
Speaker 1: interrupting your conversation every ten minutes, right, Well, no one
Speaker 1: ever interrupted mine, thank god. But I was. I was
Speaker 1: lucky the first I was. I was lucky. Um, actually
Speaker 1: that's a lie. There was one time, Um, Andrew m
Speaker 1: who was on our season, he came in and interrupted
Speaker 1: me and I got up and I love Andrew. He's
Speaker 1: like one of my closest friends. I was like, Katie,
Speaker 1: this guy he's amazing, Like, get to know him, he's wonderful,
Speaker 1: like and She's like, yeah, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: a good one, Like he's not full of shit. She
Speaker 1: was like, I'm trying to date you too, Why aren't
Speaker 1: you hiving yourself up this way? You know? I was.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, it's probably hard if
Speaker 1: you're the lead trying to see past like the veil,
Speaker 1: you know that happens like you don't know necessarily what's
Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes, and you want someone to
Speaker 1: least validate, like who is this person? Are they good
Speaker 1: behind the scenes when the cameras aren't rolling? So yeah,
Speaker 1: I Andrew shout out, why not? I love it. Men
Speaker 1: supporting men. That's what we want to see more of,
Speaker 1: especially on this show. One more thing that we need
Speaker 1: to ask you about the drama and everything that we
Speaker 1: saw go down in the most recent episode, specifically, was
Speaker 1: Teddy's very abrupt exit. Was everyone as shocked because I
Speaker 1: think for us viewers we kind of saw her not
Speaker 1: spiral downward after that conversation with Rodney, but like it
Speaker 1: seemed so abrupt that I was like, are we missing something?
Speaker 1: Like did something happen on that beach that the viewers
Speaker 1: aren't privy too of why she left without saying goodbye
Speaker 1: to anybody? When Teddy left, that really took me by surprise.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that Andrew was so excited to
Speaker 1: get to know her, and I know she was feeling
Speaker 1: Andrew too to some extent, And you know, when Rodney
Speaker 1: came down as well. It was almost as if these
Speaker 1: two great guys were you know, kind of you know,
Speaker 1: seeking you out, which can be a really really great thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, in most cases to have options is fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's better than not having them. But I think that
Speaker 1: she got a little bit overwhelmed with everything, and Teddy
Speaker 1: is such an empathetic, like kind person that, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like she didn't necessarily want to break anybody's heart,
Speaker 1: and I think she was really exhausted by the process
Speaker 1: and found out that it really wasn't for her. And
Speaker 1: it took everybody by surprise when when she left, And
Speaker 1: I know Andrew was incredibly beat up about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, feeling anywhere from you know, guilty that she
Speaker 1: left and that it didn't work between those two. And
Speaker 1: so I don't know, my heart went out to you know,
Speaker 1: my buddy, because I don't know. I think he wanted
Speaker 1: it to be something, you know, special. And the thing
Speaker 1: is is that you know, with finding love and finding
Speaker 1: your person, you can't plan for it. You can't arrange
Speaker 1: it like you can get excited. But I always feel
Speaker 1: as though, especially in Paradise and things like this, it's
Speaker 1: better to find out sooner than later that things don't work,
Speaker 1: because in the real world, you could spend six months
Speaker 1: with somebody before you realize you're not a match, and
Speaker 1: that's just time wasted. Here, you know, it could be
Speaker 1: a week or two, you know, and that's that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of a good place to be. Yeah, it was interesting.
Speaker 1: I think it caught everyone off guard because we've never
Speaker 1: seen that before. Like we've seen people leave and they'll
Speaker 1: have their exit interviews and have the chance to say
Speaker 1: goodbye in some capacity, and this time around, it was
Speaker 1: like she was just be line in for back to
Speaker 1: the United States and it was it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see how Andrew processes things. It seems like right now
Speaker 1: he didn't get the closure that he needed, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll find out. Gosh, that's so hard though, because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're in a situation where like you
Speaker 1: think you want to be a part of something and
Speaker 1: then you're there and you're just so uncomfortable and you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want to do this. I
Speaker 1: just want to be home. You just want to get out,
Speaker 1: like this is not for me. Gosh. I feel for
Speaker 1: her too, with wanting to just like hit the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that's I think that's where Teddy was
Speaker 1: coming from. Um, you know, it was weird because for
Speaker 1: a while, we're all wondering where Teddy is and we're not.
Speaker 1: The last thing we thought was that she left because usually,
Speaker 1: and like let's fanis, you're not allowed to just leave.
Speaker 1: It's not like you can call your own cab. But
Speaker 1: to be like, hi, come pick me up, it's it
Speaker 1: takes a lot to actually like get going. But you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, people have
Speaker 1: to do it's best for them, and you know, she
Speaker 1: realized that this wasn't the place for her, and you know,
Speaker 1: I actually applaud her for being decisive and making that
Speaker 1: decision versus dragging it out without you know, her heart
Speaker 1: being in it or her head. Yeah. Do you okay?
Speaker 1: So you said that you'll touch base with Katie every
Speaker 1: now and then, do you still talk to like, are
Speaker 1: you close to the guys from Katie's season? Yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think once you've shared something like this, it's so
Speaker 1: campy and odd that you can't help but you know,
Speaker 1: have a special place for these people, and like, even
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the show, I'd still be friends
Speaker 1: with these people. They're really really good and it was
Speaker 1: really like enjoyable for me to know that, like Justin
Speaker 1: and Andrew were down there some familiar faces where we're
Speaker 1: not competing over the same person, but rather just kind
Speaker 1: of going through the process together. It's it's it's truly
Speaker 1: like a once in a lifetime experience that lives with
Speaker 1: you for a really long time. Sometimes too on Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can, I can understand that too. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that later. The word is through the grape vine that
Speaker 1: you are a great rapper, and so I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: you to drop a few lines before that's a couple
Speaker 1: of beat Who who do you think my roommate Thomas, Oh, Thomas. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: there's no there is no possible way. You're so good.
Speaker 1: He's like everyone, all of the guys know how great
Speaker 1: of a rapper Michael A is. You need him to
Speaker 1: drop a few lines. Let's keep it like Paradise themed
Speaker 1: off off record. I will totally do that, you know,
Speaker 1: not on record. No, come on, you gotta, you gotta
Speaker 1: sometimes you said, what did you say? You gotta push
Speaker 1: the birdie out of its nest and they'll fly. That
Speaker 1: was all bullshit that, So can you do you think
Speaker 1: you could wrap and give us a little bit of
Speaker 1: a tease to like, our listeners about what they should
Speaker 1: expect from this season. Look, people got people called me
Speaker 1: cringe for saying the word youthful. You don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna come at me. How about this, Michael. I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll have you on this podcast again, probably at some
Speaker 1: point within the season, maybe towards the end of the season.
Speaker 1: So when you come back, your homework is you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to wrap a few lines, just a couple, you know,
Speaker 1: like a couple of eight counts, nothing crazy, and so
Speaker 1: just be prepared. Okay, you know, Johnny's the rapper on
Speaker 1: our season, and you have to include the words Zaddi
Speaker 1: in it. And there's a lot of words that words
Speaker 1: that rhyme is zaddi, so you shouldn't. Oh yeah, how
Speaker 1: about this, I will say maybe to this, So if
Speaker 1: you have me back on, I may do it again
Speaker 1: as yes, you two look like you take maybes as
Speaker 1: a yes, there's a chance. Okay, so you don't have
Speaker 1: to wrap it for us, but can you give listeners
Speaker 1: a little bit of a tease of what to expect
Speaker 1: on Bachelor in Paradise this season. Yeah, I mean this
Speaker 1: this season. It has extreme highs, extreme lows. There are
Speaker 1: some amazing love stories that develop, and there are really
Speaker 1: some excruciating heartbreaks that like disrupt the entire Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: beach the house, and it's really lighthearted, it's really entertaining.
Speaker 1: Um it's a long, long season, and I promise that
Speaker 1: it's going to be worth watch until the end. This
Speaker 1: is going to be really really fun. Who right? Um,
Speaker 1: So Michael, how are you in love? You'll have to
Speaker 1: tune in to find out you are prepped and trained? Well,
Speaker 1: my friend, I can't say nothing. I always try to
Speaker 1: get something out of you. Guys. Just somebody will slip
Speaker 1: up now, Yeah, experts we are What was that, Michael?
Speaker 1: I said, you have an inside track? I know I
Speaker 1: know too much. Well okay, so Becca, as Michael's watching
Speaker 1: it back, any advice for him that you have, you know,
Speaker 1: rewatching this Paradise experience for him? Um? Oh, god were
Speaker 1: to begin, well, I would tell anyone this after any
Speaker 1: season or during any season. Just don't read the comments,
Speaker 1: don't go on the forums. I mean, at this point,
Speaker 1: people get obviously so invested in the show like even
Speaker 1: us we're recapping this season, but what's done is done,
Speaker 1: and you've already lived this and now it's just the
Speaker 1: time to soak it in and embrace the friendships that
Speaker 1: you've from the show. And one of their advice don't
Speaker 1: be stupid. If you have any scandals, be upfront with
Speaker 1: them beforehand because people will find you out. But just
Speaker 1: have fun. I mean, like you said earlier, I don't
Speaker 1: remember what question we had asked you, but you made
Speaker 1: the point of, like, it's so fleeting when you live
Speaker 1: on that beach, but there's so much more to so, Kate,
Speaker 1: I think this time around, with the different people and friendships,
Speaker 1: you'll make that that's the fun part. And just have
Speaker 1: fun when it's done, because like there's a lot I mean,
Speaker 1: as you know, after cases and there's a lot that's
Speaker 1: going to happen. But I don't know, let me rephrase,
Speaker 1: wherever you're at in a relationship or not, I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure. Just have fun because once you can finally
Speaker 1: be out and in public, if that's the case, it's
Speaker 1: going to be so worthwhile. And just just embrace every
Speaker 1: moment really because as you said, it goes by so fast.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not really great with advice because everyone's
Speaker 1: journey is so different and people have different experiences on
Speaker 1: that beach. I wasn't there, But I do have one
Speaker 1: final question to ask you before we get into like
Speaker 1: our last thing. Um, how did you like the food
Speaker 1: in Paradise? Because I found it incredible. I miss it.
Speaker 1: I would go back just for the food. What are
Speaker 1: you about. I loved it. You learned to like you
Speaker 1: realize that it's not the menu. It's like all of
Speaker 1: this off menu stuff that you can have them make.
Speaker 1: The shrimp are insane, I mean everything, They're so good.
Speaker 1: The shrimp tacos. I heard something about the tacos. You know.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Michelle, go for the food. This is Michael.
Speaker 1: This is us trying to convince Michelle to go to Paradise. Oh, Michelle,
Speaker 1: Paradise is so much fun. It's way better, way as
Speaker 1: long as I'll give my date date card to the
Speaker 1: to the food. Ye come from somebody who said no, no,
Speaker 1: no for so long, and I feel like Michael did too,
Speaker 1: And from going from a season of the Bachelor to
Speaker 1: your own season. Paradise is one thousand times more fun,
Speaker 1: more freeing. It's more fluid. It's like out of any season.
Speaker 1: I would say, do a season of Paradise. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: sucks that people have to go through like an actual
Speaker 1: season before they can do Paradise. But like to paradise,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, there's just like I need a break. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like the sunsets down there are they're insane. Is this
Speaker 1: is this is actually a really funny story real quick.
Speaker 1: Is you know there's tons of bugs and everything down there.
Speaker 1: You're living in these conditions where you know, you don't
Speaker 1: have any windows, um, any doors, it's all crabs in
Speaker 1: your suitcase, it's all open air. Yeah, exactly. While I
Speaker 1: was on the top bunk right and um, it was
Speaker 1: like day three or four or something, I look up
Speaker 1: and there's like a four five foot snake living above
Speaker 1: me and it was like this close to my face
Speaker 1: and it was wrapped around this pole. And the thing
Speaker 1: was is you would immediately say, like get somebody in
Speaker 1: here to take care of this snake, right, But then
Speaker 1: I realized real quickly that this snake was actually eating
Speaker 1: all of the bugs that were falling on me every
Speaker 1: single night. So this guy was kind of like my
Speaker 1: friend throughout the entire face. You're not doing a great
Speaker 1: job of convincing her to come. Just like, what color
Speaker 1: was it? What's that? What color was it? It was
Speaker 1: like a blackish green. Oh heck no, yeah, you said
Speaker 1: four to five foot snake. Yeah, it was huge, you do, like,
Speaker 1: I'm yes, stick, I'm five foot something. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was like like that thick too. So you had an
Speaker 1: antaconda wrapped her under bud, is what you're telling me? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was out there like eating
Speaker 1: everything that was getting caught up in you know, the
Speaker 1: rafters in that weird Okay, So I will say the
Speaker 1: men had worse living quarters than the women. Like the
Speaker 1: women because we're up a little higher. There's always a
Speaker 1: breeze blowing through the quarters. So like you, like, bugs
Speaker 1: don't really stay. Yeah, the snake is a little iffy.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. I really did like you, Michael,
Speaker 1: but now I think you might be kind of put
Speaker 1: This was this was survival out here, and you're so
Speaker 1: asleep deprived that you just don't care. You're like fucking bugs,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Oh, I know, I know. Maybe Wait,
Speaker 1: were you actually Wilson? You know it became like my
Speaker 1: will Yeah, you're you're basically living a castaway. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would confess to him every night. Yeah, that's going to
Speaker 1: be a no, I can see that. Okay. On that note, Michael,
Speaker 1: we're going to get into something a little bit more
Speaker 1: serious here. So we always have our guests give their
Speaker 1: rose and thorn of the season or of the episode.
Speaker 1: But on top of that, we've added a new thing,
Speaker 1: which we think it's so important to keep our listeners
Speaker 1: informed and just share important resources that we love that
Speaker 1: we can always repost as well that anyone can go
Speaker 1: back and find and look and read and watch and whatever.
Speaker 1: So we're going to start with the resource first, and
Speaker 1: just to make it easier, I'll kick it off unless
Speaker 1: Michelle is that okay with you, totally take it away. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I have two resources I want to share this week.
Speaker 1: One is a documentary that I found I just wanted
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I think it's on other platforms too. You
Speaker 1: do have to pay like two dollars to watch it,
Speaker 1: but it's a documentary called Dark Girls, and it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I think it's it was made a few years years ago,
Speaker 1: but it's still always timely and it just goes into
Speaker 1: basically how at such a young age, when we're children,
Speaker 1: we start to just form these certain like idealisms of
Speaker 1: beauty and like what constitute as beautiful or as smart
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. It like really breaks down
Speaker 1: the status based upon the level level of color in
Speaker 1: skin and how such young children start to realize that
Speaker 1: which and it's it's very informative. It's like there's parts
Speaker 1: of it that are sad. Like it's a very interesting watch,
Speaker 1: but I would highly recommend it to anyone who just
Speaker 1: has some like an hour of their time. So it's
Speaker 1: called Dark Girls Again. I found it on YouTube and
Speaker 1: then the second one that I want to share, and
Speaker 1: this is adding to Michelle's resource last week of the
Speaker 1: Still Processing podcast and I shared it on my Instagram story.
Speaker 1: But it's an episode. I don't remember what exact number
Speaker 1: it is, but the title of it is Little nas
Speaker 1: X Not Sorry, And it's very timely for everything that
Speaker 1: has happened within this franchise, especially within the past couple
Speaker 1: of weeks of the finale. It kind of goes into
Speaker 1: different types of public apology, breaks them all down, It
Speaker 1: gives examples so you know exactly what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of compare apologies that we have
Speaker 1: seen in the past in this franchise versus now. UM,
Speaker 1: highly recommend that one. I think it's it's from twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: I believe, but very important and still timely. Now love that.
Speaker 1: So those are mine? Wow, I love this. I love
Speaker 1: this segment too. Oh good, well it was Michelle's idea
Speaker 1: way to go. Do you still want to do the
Speaker 1: Rosenthorne part two? Yeah? Are we just going to do well?
Speaker 1: We should do resources and then Rosenthorne? Right, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So for now those are great, Becca, and that the
Speaker 1: still Process podcasts, that the entire pocket. That's amazing, Like,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. There's some awesome episodes. Great, it's incredible, it
Speaker 1: really is. UM. So my my resource is it's the book.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have potentially heard of it,
Speaker 1: but it's called White Fragility, UM. Just finished reading it
Speaker 1: for the second time. It is basically this it's I
Speaker 1: think it's by Robin D'Angelo. UM, and I can link
Speaker 1: it as well on my page. But just this book
Speaker 1: about why it is so difficult, um for white people
Speaker 1: to talk about racism and the defensiveness and goes into
Speaker 1: that whole concept of really talking about those and why
Speaker 1: it is so hard to speak about those things, um,
Speaker 1: but why it's important. It's honestly, like if you are
Speaker 1: wondering where to start in your journey of having these
Speaker 1: hard conversations like that is that is the book that
Speaker 1: I would point everybody to, UM if I know it's
Speaker 1: on audible, UM, so like pop it in while you're driving.
Speaker 1: I'll look all those things as well. So yep, wait
Speaker 1: for wonderful things. I love that. My guess, my, my resources.
Speaker 1: You know. October is breast cancer Awareness month, and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously it's something that's touched my family, and it's touched
Speaker 1: way too many people sadly. One thing that I think
Speaker 1: people need to do is contact their you know, legislators,
Speaker 1: their senators about making mammograms more accessible at an earlier
Speaker 1: age and covered by insurance. I think women are getting
Speaker 1: breast cancer younger and younger, which is really alarming to me.
Speaker 1: And right now as it sets, you can't insurance doesn't
Speaker 1: cover mammograms until you're about forty years old. But people
Speaker 1: in their thirties are getting it, People are in their
Speaker 1: late twenties are getting it, and you shouldn't have to
Speaker 1: wait in order to take care of yourself and to
Speaker 1: possibly save a life because early detection is key for
Speaker 1: this whole thing. Um yeah, so that's that's one thing
Speaker 1: I continue to be passionate about. And you know, American
Speaker 1: Cancer Society is also running their Real Men Wear Pink campaign.
Speaker 1: Um so, if you guys are interested in, you know,
Speaker 1: continuing that fight during Breast cancer UM Awareness Month, you know,
Speaker 1: give them and give them a check and donate if
Speaker 1: you can. M amazing. I love that. Thank you. Also,
Speaker 1: mammograms and like all those female just things that females
Speaker 1: have to deal with because we're females should be the
Speaker 1: same thing as vaccinations, like should be absolutely flu shot
Speaker 1: flu shots free. Like let's go, we could have a
Speaker 1: whole podcast on how screwed up our healthcare system is
Speaker 1: totally right now, what's should we get into it right now?
Speaker 1: Add adding on to that, Planned Parenthood, I know people
Speaker 1: just think it's an abortion clinic. It does so much
Speaker 1: more than that, which is why people should not want
Speaker 1: to defund it. But we can save this for another
Speaker 1: separate episode. People episodes a time, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: have to cover this. Yeah no, Michael, that was great,
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that. We so appreciate it, and
Speaker 1: we have mentioned this on our podcast too, but Michelle
Speaker 1: and I are always going to be sharing these on
Speaker 1: our stories and just on our highlights page. So if
Speaker 1: anyone ever wants to go back and access old resources
Speaker 1: that we shared, it's all going to be found there,
Speaker 1: so you shouldn't have any problems. But yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: It's it's such a you know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times we're always wondering what can we do since
Speaker 1: we can't change everything, and I think this is an
Speaker 1: awesome thing for you guys to do to educate your audience,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, provide some easy things for
Speaker 1: people to educate themselves if they want to be educated,
Speaker 1: if they are open to having an open mind and
Speaker 1: being able to change, which that's its own thing. But
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are doing good work. We help
Speaker 1: more and more people just keep that open mind, and
Speaker 1: you know, we're all about learning. We got to teach
Speaker 1: her in our midst here, and so we got a
Speaker 1: dad who you know, you're teaching James as he grows up,
Speaker 1: so it's important. But with that, Michael, now we got
Speaker 1: to get into the rose and thorn. We obviously asked
Speaker 1: our guests this every week, basically highlight and low light.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it. Of the season so far, so
Speaker 1: these first three episodes, what is your rose and your thorn?
Speaker 1: Let's see my thorn of this season probably the heat
Speaker 1: down there, the bugs, the no air conditioning. It's early
Speaker 1: on in the season, so it was, you know, I
Speaker 1: wasn't adapting to it. I end up, you know, welcoming
Speaker 1: that bohemian lifestyle real quickly. But at this point I'm
Speaker 1: a sweaty mess and you can see it all over
Speaker 1: my face and so, um, my rose. It would probably
Speaker 1: go to you know, the cast um. They were actually
Speaker 1: amazing people, everybody, um and I'm not joking either. There
Speaker 1: are people that come from diverse walks of life, unique backgrounds,
Speaker 1: open people. It takes a lot of courage to put
Speaker 1: yourself out there and to go on you know, something
Speaker 1: as crazy as Bachelor in Paradise, and you know, for that,
Speaker 1: I always applaud people for taking that like roadless traveled. Amen,
Speaker 1: that's great, But shall you want to go? I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, can my Thorne be kind of disappointed that
Speaker 1: Michael's rose wasn't the Zadie My Thorne could have been
Speaker 1: youthful too, exactly. No, No, it was so funny. Um,
Speaker 1: but I would say, um, my Thorn, it's probably learning
Speaker 1: about the massive snake that sat above your head. I
Speaker 1: know that we didn't see that, but now, like man,
Speaker 1: all doors to paradise are closed. He made a friend,
Speaker 1: right right, No, that's true, that's so true. Um. But
Speaker 1: my rose would probably have to be like getting to
Speaker 1: see Casey blossom and like his humor and just being
Speaker 1: really because like you know, you see a little bit
Speaker 1: of that, but having the world get to see that.
Speaker 1: I would say, that's my that's my rose. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm excited for. And you know, like the relationships and
Speaker 1: the love and stuff too, but like humor can't beat it.
Speaker 1: Are gonna love him to see? Yes, um, those are
Speaker 1: great ones. Okay, I'm gonna say, my Thorn. This actually
Speaker 1: also could be my rose because it was pretty entertaining,
Speaker 1: but it was so cringe worthy. Is the swerve that
Speaker 1: was the kiss between Romeo and Brittany so awkward, so
Speaker 1: fringe worthy. Again, very entertaining for me, but like putting
Speaker 1: myself back in like trying to like be in their positions,
Speaker 1: so awkward on both accounts. It just it was a mess.
Speaker 1: Maybe look no, it made me look harder because I
Speaker 1: was like, I've got to see this again, um um,
Speaker 1: And can I give two roses? I have to because
Speaker 1: there's one thing because Michelle and I usually recap each
Speaker 1: episode and we didn't at the top of this one.
Speaker 1: So one was the though it was slightly too long
Speaker 1: and didn't execute as well as I would hope. The
Speaker 1: reenactment with Wells and Sally's suitcase with the women at
Speaker 1: the bar was gold. It gave me like flashbacks to
Speaker 1: drunken history with that show. It's such a good show
Speaker 1: that like watching Wells be this producer with like this luggage,
Speaker 1: it's a key player in the game. It's clearly it
Speaker 1: stand out contestant. There was the luggage, So that reenactment,
Speaker 1: I would say it was great. Um. And then my
Speaker 1: other rose is just being able to see I feel
Speaker 1: like because I've been out of this show for so
Speaker 1: long and like I was able to do the two
Speaker 1: or seeing like friends on the beach, like Andrew and Justin,
Speaker 1: who I consider like a little brothers to me, as
Speaker 1: annoying and wonderful as they are, like to see them
Speaker 1: kind of go through like this journey now and like
Speaker 1: navigate the hard parts and like the really fun parts.
Speaker 1: It's just been fun. You know. I feel for them
Speaker 1: when they get their hearts broken, but that's like for anyone.
Speaker 1: But it's just fun to see people that I now
Speaker 1: consider like family and friends go through this crazy, incredible
Speaker 1: journey because it can be so worthwhile. So that's that's
Speaker 1: one of my roses too. And with that, Michael, was
Speaker 1: so much fun having you. It's always a pleasure. Nice
Speaker 1: to see you guys. Thanks for having me on and
Speaker 1: back of good luck with your model too. Thank you. Um,
Speaker 1: once it's done, please if you ever come visit San Diego,
Speaker 1: you have a place to stay, come hang out with us.
Speaker 1: And um, I'm hoping fingers Crossed will have you again
Speaker 1: later on in this season. Work on that rap. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, we didn't forget, we will never forget
Speaker 1: coming back. He's like, oh no, but eight. Michelle is
Speaker 1: so awesome meeting you too. I've been wanting to meet
Speaker 1: you for a while and big fan ears you as well. Well.
Speaker 1: We're excited to see how this all plays out, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure we will have you on again soon just
Speaker 1: because we're going to request it for that rap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're only gonna ask Michael A every episode here I note, Yep,
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon. Thanks Michael. Okay, Michelle, wasn't
Speaker 1: he so fun? I'm such a Michael A fan. He's
Speaker 1: really He's really sweet. He has a good head on
Speaker 1: the shoulders um seems very wise and yeah, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of I'm excited to see see how this turns out
Speaker 1: for him. I am too. I mean, obviously, I love
Speaker 1: the love stories on this show and I'm really rooting
Speaker 1: for everyone to find somebody and I really really hope
Speaker 1: he does, so we will continue to watch him and
Speaker 1: find out. Yeah, he just the youthful comments, the like
Speaker 1: the Zaddies. Could I could go with a little bit
Speaker 1: more of that more Michael A for a bit. But
Speaker 1: thank you Michael for joining us and Michelle. It's always
Speaker 1: so much fun with you. But a huge shout out
Speaker 1: to our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. Thank you for tuning
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