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Speaker 1: Welcome back, happy our listeners. I'm Becca Kuprin and I'm

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Speaker 1: Michelle Young, and we are back with you again this

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Speaker 1: week to talk about everything that went down in two

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Speaker 1: episodes of this week in Bachelor of Paradise. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: do have a lot to cover this week. I'm very

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Speaker 1: happy to be back with you, Becca as always, because

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Speaker 1: this week we're talking to a Bachelor Nation gem and

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Speaker 1: self proclaimed old guy on the beach, Michael Ay. I

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Speaker 1: love that he proclaims himself that because I feel like

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Speaker 1: that was me last year on Paradise. But yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited to have Michael on. We talked with him

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Speaker 1: during Katie's season, which was man a year and a

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Speaker 1: half ago now, but I want to get the scoop

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Speaker 1: on his relationship with Sierra so far. We saw that

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Speaker 1: pop off this week, and from the looks of it,

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Speaker 1: it seems like they're right now one of the strongest

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Speaker 1: couples on the island. So wait, it's not even an island,

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Speaker 1: it's Mexico out man on the butt on the beach.

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Speaker 1: But we'll have him on very shortly. But before that, Michelle,

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Speaker 1: you have been traveling around. You are currently in Minnesota

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Speaker 1: right now. You were at iHeart last week, which looks

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Speaker 1: so fun, like just catch us up on all of

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Speaker 1: your travel and adventures. So much fun. Yeah. Um, I

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Speaker 1: was able to so like I feel like I was

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Speaker 1: kind of finally getting settled in LA and then of

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Speaker 1: course had to take off and I went to iHeart.

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Speaker 1: It was in Vegas. We're so busy, but it was

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Speaker 1: just it was so much fun to see so many

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Speaker 1: artists perform, and I feel like it was kind of

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Speaker 1: like a trip down memory lane, Like it was super

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Speaker 1: nostalgic because I had to listen to like Avril Levine,

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Speaker 1: Like do you remember an I was just listening to

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Speaker 1: skater Boy in the car last night, Yes, exactly, so

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Speaker 1: do I remember? Fulfills a certain part of your just

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Speaker 1: I don't know, childhood growing up. And then I was

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Speaker 1: able to do a little bit of hosting, which was

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Speaker 1: super awesome. And the best part is that while we

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Speaker 1: were filming, we were filming at the like the T

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Speaker 1: Mobile Arena, and it was when all the bands were

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Speaker 1: doing their like covers, like perform, warming up and all

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Speaker 1: those things like playing through their sets. Yeah, and Sam

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Speaker 1: Smith played his entire set and he played his new

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Speaker 1: song Unholy and so I literally got to sit there

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Speaker 1: and listen to it like it had gotten released the

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Speaker 1: day before, and it was like the first time he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be performing it live and I got to hear

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Speaker 1: it before like anyone else. It was so cool. That's

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Speaker 1: also so so cool. So yeah, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun things, you know, a lot of tiktoks, a lot

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Speaker 1: of Bachelor Nation alum that were there, and so it

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Speaker 1: was good. And then headed back to Minnesota for a

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Speaker 1: little bit, pop back to LA for some events, and

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Speaker 1: now back in Minnesota. So I'm tired. Oh I can

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Speaker 1: imagine I'm tired just here about all of these travels.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you really quick though, because I

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Speaker 1: saw you mentioned the tiktoks, you mentioned the bachel Nation

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Speaker 1: alumni that we're all at my heart. I loved the

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Speaker 1: ones with you and Rachel. I loved watching your stories.

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Speaker 1: How is she doing after everything? I know, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: like she's still in the midst of all of this

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Speaker 1: and it's still is probably very crazy. But now she's

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Speaker 1: did she have fun? Was she doing well? I would say,

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Speaker 1: I mean she's she's doing about as good as somebody

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Speaker 1: when you're going through this entire Bachelor experience and it's

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Speaker 1: on as a contestant and then you move into becoming

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Speaker 1: and then posts and all this different stuff, and you know,

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Speaker 1: like that moment where everything happens and then everything finally

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Speaker 1: like you're just emotionally exhausted, even on like even if

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Speaker 1: you end up with the best case scenario, you're exhausted.

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Speaker 1: And so she had literally gone from Afar and you know,

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Speaker 1: all of that, right, So she's doing she's she's doing well.

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Speaker 1: She's holding her ground and everything. I think she's just

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Speaker 1: It's just you're exhausted. Oh yeah, I can't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: a jarring situation to go from being on the franchise

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Speaker 1: heard was Deathani, but it was like more of her

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Speaker 1: free time. But that is still so exhausting in itself that, um,

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Speaker 1: We're going to plan a girls' night in La very soon.

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Speaker 1: We got to get around to sleep for a week

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Speaker 1: straight and then call me when you wake up. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got you, So be a little firm. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: been busy, busy, busy. But enough about me, And of

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Speaker 1: course I always checking with Rachel. But how have you been,

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Speaker 1: What have you been up to? Are you how's everything

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Speaker 1: going in San Diego. I know that you've been at

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Speaker 1: a wedding recently, like a best friend's wedding. Yeah, We've

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Speaker 1: which was so nice, so needed. My sister, she has

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Speaker 1: so to be able to see her again and now

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Speaker 1: bring Thomas there, it was so special. I felt like

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Speaker 1: Dirty so many dirty, oh, so many. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: He's like, well, I'll practice on a doll. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: We'll be right there. Um, okay, so are you gonna

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Speaker 1: squash the rumors of um? Everybody is convinced that Ean

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Speaker 1: Thomas got married already? Wait, who who thought we got married?

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Speaker 1: on some somebody's screenshot. Yeah, it's because I think happened.

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Speaker 1: Oh the wife comment, yeah, the wife comment. And so

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Speaker 1: everybody convinced. Everybody's convinced that you eloped and didn't tell

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Speaker 1: we did not Elope. I will squash themers right now.

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Speaker 1: What were you feeling like, just excitement, nerves, anticipation for

428
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: like what was to come? Where was your head in

429
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: your heart at Yeah, there's something about Paradise where I

430
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: feel as though like the relationships have a greater chance

431
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: of working. And I mainly believe that just because of

432
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: the time that you're allowed to spend with somebody, there's

433
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: a lot more you know, freedom of choice, and you

434
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: can get deeper with people. I think on the you know,

435
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: the Bachelor of the Bachelorette, you're living and dying by

436
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: one on one dates or group dates and things like that.

437
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes on the beach, it's kind of great

438
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: not to be included in any of those things. So

439
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: you because if I'd like to go on a date,

440
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: I'd like to go take my girlfriend to the beach,

441
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: and so it's like we'll just stay back at the

442
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: stay back at the pad and get to know each

443
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: other and relax. Um. So I really thought that, um,

444
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: in terms of expediting the dating process, which is actually

445
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: really hard for me. Um. I've said this before. It's like,

446
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: when you're dating, that's time away from my son too,

447
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: And so you know, you could go on a bunch

448
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: of first dates and those are nights away. So this

449
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: is kind of a way to consolidate everything. And it's

450
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: actually very efficient in terms of you know, time and

451
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: getting to know people, and you know, also sneaking in

452
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: a vacation there honestly, which I desperately needed. Yeah, it's

453
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: like speed dating uncracked. It really, Yeah, it really is.

454
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: Can you tell all of the listeners and viewers out there,

455
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: like the amount of time that you had with Katie

456
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: on on her season versus the amount of time that

457
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: you spent with Sierra or anyone in those first three days?

458
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: How do those both compare? Oh? I mean I probably

459
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: spent more time with Sierra than I did with Katie

460
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: the entire season in three days. Yeah, in three days, yes,

461
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: And you know, you're really dialed into getting to know somebody.

462
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: You see them in an atmosphere around friends, you see

463
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: how they're perceived. Um, you know, which isn't everything, but

464
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: it's something you know, I always like to see, you know,

465
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: if I'm with somebody, who do they hang out with?

466
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: You know, what do others think about them? Am I

467
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: blinded by one thing or the other? You know? And

468
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: it's it's a good kind of like litmus test to

469
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: be able to to see the invalidate or negate like

470
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: who you're with at that time. That's very true. Oh yeah, okay,

471
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: So how okay? So and you're coming to the beach,

472
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: is there anybody that was like on top of your

473
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: mind that you really wanted to meet? You know, I

474
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: was a last addition, So I really wasn't looking at

475
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: the cast and all of that. And I specifically did

476
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: that because I think if you try to create a

477
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: plan down there, it backfires. Yeah. The only way to

478
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: do it is to go down there with an open

479
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: heart too and an open mind. You know, sometimes people

480
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: get trapped in how they want their experience to be

481
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: and it takes away from just the organic nature of

482
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: going down there and letting it lead. And so I

483
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: really didn't, you know, have anybody particularly in mind, but

484
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: just open to it and see who I was drawn to.

485
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: We weren't surprised that everybody was so excited to see you.

486
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: We like we kind of knew that that that was

487
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: going to happen, been right watching it? Or you surprised

488
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: to see that you were very hot commodity that Yeah, absolutely,

489
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I think, um,

490
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's nobody there. That's everyone's cup of tea.

491
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's going to have their opinion one way

492
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: or the other, and people are going to have their preferences.

493
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: What I tried to do when I was down there was,

494
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, pool people aside individually to get to actually

495
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: know them, not just when you know the cameras are rolling,

496
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: but who are they Like I may never see you again,

497
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: I want to know a little bit about you, and

498
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I think a lot of

499
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: people just are not exactly They're more than how they

500
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: are portrayed in the segments on any show. And so

501
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want to have any bias from the way

502
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: I saw them previous seasons or that this, that or

503
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: the other, and just kind of, you know, go with

504
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: it and see where it takes me. That's the mindset

505
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: you need. I get it. One mindset that I can

506
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: relate to is you make all these youthful comments, and

507
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: you were joking that you're like the old guy on

508
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: the beach, which I did the same when I went

509
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: down there last year. Don't you think though, being a

510
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: little bit older is a positive thing coming into this

511
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: because it kind of removes yourself from the drama and

512
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: you can realize what's important and not necessarily important when

513
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: finding a partner. Yes, first, let me address the youthful

514
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: youthful comments here. Okay, so Andrew and I were talking

515
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: about the girls that were currently there, which you know

516
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: were Serene, I think Genevieve, maybe Teddy was there, and

517
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're all great people, but they were not

518
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: the one for me. And I could totally like sense that, yeah,

519
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: and I wasn't feeling that kind of draw to them.

520
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: So instead of saying something like negative, I was like, yeah,

521
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: they're youthful, but I love it and I'm what one

522
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: thing people are gonna have to get used to is

523
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: that when I when I get uncomfortable, I say really

524
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: awkward things. So that's going to be a theme probably,

525
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: so you know, get used to it. People are like, wow,

526
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: that's so creepy, creepy old man kind of thing, and

527
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not saying it like that. I'm just

528
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: saying I don't know, I don't know whatever I'm suppressed.

529
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: I didn't give you a cane for your intro, Michael, Yeah,

530
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: right right the bottom you imagined, Michael, pushing that through

531
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: the sand miss opportunity. But I think I think you're right.

532
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: I think there is a benefit of you know, whether

533
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: or not you're older or you've just had a life

534
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: filled with Vicks experience one or the other. The two

535
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: are not necessarily the same. And you know, it's not

536
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: just about age as much as it is about have

537
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: you done your work? You know, have you worked on yourself?

538
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: Do you know who you are? You are? You do?

539
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: You know what you want out of life? And that

540
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: can come in a lot of different ages. And I

541
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: know older people that have never done their work. So

542
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: it's not exactly you know, you have to be this

543
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: certain age to qualify UM. But you you do see

544
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: some sort of pattern between living life, overcoming obstacles, having

545
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: that resilience being tested UM, and you know, be like

546
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: feeling complete and that you're ready to find your match. Yes,

547
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: well said, I'm gonna say, would you say that's the

548
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: definition of How did sis it? Saddy? Michael Sia is

549
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: a gem. Oh she's a little firecracker. I love it.

550
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: I want to count the number of times that you

551
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: were referred to as a zaddi with a Z. Don't

552
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: get it twisted? How did How does it feel knowing

553
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: that you're a zaddie? You know, the first time I

554
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: ever heard this term was last season, I think towards

555
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: the tail end um and now, I mean I think

556
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: if you were doing The Bachelor, you know, drinking game

557
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: and Zaddy, every time you did it you took a shot,

558
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have made it to like the first commercial break.

559
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: It was just lying hot and and I'm telling you

560
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: it's everywhere now. All my guy friends are making fun

561
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: of me. It's all in the text threads. I you know,

562
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how to respond to it, really, so

563
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: I'll probably just say something for you about to increase

564
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: for you. Wait, there's there's a ball cap that just

565
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: says daddy on the top. One of my best friends

566
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: who just had a baby has it now, So I

567
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: really want to get you this daddy hat. Oh say daddy,

568
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: and can you like we can definitely do some to

569
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: do with sharpie. I'll take a picture with, but I

570
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: can't promise I'll wear it. Let's go start to wear

571
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: it everywhere. When you dropped James off to school the

572
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: next time in this little turtle backpack. You need this

573
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: daddy hat. Okay, deal. If you need to report it too,

574
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: I need to say we're going to require proof, footage proof.

575
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: Oh god, He's like, it's never gonna end. Now where

576
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: do you go? No? No, No, my friends are ruthless too.

577
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean they are firing at me. There could be

578
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: worst things like exam daddy and what is Sam mean?

579
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: What the hell are people talking about these kids these days?

580
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not doing anything speaking of where

581
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: this has come from. Now U with Sierra, let's talk

582
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: about it. Let's get into it talking about you two.

583
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: I feel like this is not necessarily a connection that

584
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: I predicted Becca, What about you? No, but I can't

585
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: protect anything done on that beach. Ask how like how

586
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: did it go down? Yeah? So, And this is a

587
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: perfect case in point of not trying to plan your route, um,

588
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, and plan your experience. You know, Sierra is

589
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: somebody that if you've ever met her, she just has

590
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: so much energy I mean one, she is gorgeous, um,

591
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: just incredibly beautiful. Um, but inside and out too. UM.

592
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: We were able to have so many different conversations and

593
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: they got deep really really quickly. And it wasn't necessarily

594
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: me just pouring it out, but she was giving me

595
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: a lot in return. Um, just things about you know,

596
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: her upbringing, you know where she came from, UM, you

597
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: know her mom. You know, being in orphan in Korea. Um.

598
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: You know Sierra felt a calling to go to Korean

599
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: and teach kindergarteners at an earlier age too, and just

600
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: basically sold off all of her stuff because of that calling.

601
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: Those types of things are evident to me that she's

602
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: somebody that has done her work, that she has put

603
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: in the time, and I was immediately drawn to it.

604
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: She's hilarious all of these amazing things, and so I

605
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I think from what people may

606
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: have seen of me on Katie's season, they may have

607
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: been surprised, but people that actually you know me as

608
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: a person, it's not a surprise at all that I

609
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: was drown to her. Yeah. She We've had her on

610
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: the podcast before and she is so funny. She's like

611
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: you said, just so energetic. She like, she just has

612
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: this vibe to her that I feel like is infectious.

613
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: So I completely understand. So that we the men had

614
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: the roses, What was that like standing at your very

615
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: first rose ceremony and actually being the one to hand

616
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: that out. Yeah, you know, I've been through a few

617
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: rose ceremonies and to actually have barroses it I felt pressure. Honestly.

618
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: I think some people may feel like they're safe or

619
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: a sense of power, but I was almost just hoping

620
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: that the women would have it, so you know, we

621
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: don't have to make any decisions or anything like what

622
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: needs to be done, Let it be done. But you know,

623
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: for me, you know Sierra, we had so many great

624
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: conversations leading up to the rose ceremony, that was the

625
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: obvious choice. So I think for her, you know, going

626
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: into it, if she did have any you know, questions

627
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: or hesitations on whether or not I was going to

628
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: give it to her, Hopefully it was very little because

629
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: she was really the one person I was dialed into. Yeah,

630
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: you know what rose ceremonies are just always so you

631
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: just you never know what's gonna go down. Rose ceremonies

632
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: give me anxiety. There there are so much more stressful,

633
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: so much more stressful than anyone realizes. The show makes

634
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: it look great. It's like so structured. You have the

635
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: one person, Saint William said, it's like way more intense

636
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: than anyone will ever realize. With everyone staring at you too, Michael,

637
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: and you have to like it's not I can't imagine

638
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: which you two have been through. I mean, I'm coming

639
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: as some lonely contesting you know you guys, I can't

640
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: imagine the way, especially towards the ending. Oh how heavy

641
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: it all bits that but is when it gets hard

642
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: but for you, but for you in Paradise, like for us,

643
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, we stand there and we say, will you

644
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: accept this? Throws and we say the name, like that's

645
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: all we really have to do. In Paradise. You have

646
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: to like give this little spear of why you're handing

647
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: it out to them, and like that was that the

648
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: hard part for you? Each and every week You're like,

649
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: oh what do I say here? You know, I just

650
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: want somebody to accept this, and I don't want everyone

651
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: else to hear what I'm trying to say to this

652
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: person right now? Yeah, you know, not, it wasn't that

653
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: hard I mean, I'm I'm kind of somebody that you know,

654
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: just speaks from the heart. It doesn't have to be

655
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: perfect as long as it's felt and it's real. So

656
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, I don't put too much pressure on, you know,

657
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: the delivery as much as just making sure that whoever's

658
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: on the receiving end, you know, feels that it's it's

659
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: honest and it's true. Well, damn, Michael, I'm going to

660
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: start having you read all my speeches. I didn't say

661
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: they're pretty I really though there's so much that goes on,

662
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: but um switching gears just a little bit here. I

663
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts and to know that Beck

664
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: would also want to get your thoughts on everything that's

665
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: going down in Paradise up until this point. So like,

666
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: what did you think of like the Jill Kira Romeo

667
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: love triangle? Give it from your perspective. Yeah, it's that

668
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: was a really interesting one. And you know, the second

669
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: I got down to Paradise, it was very kumbayab and

670
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: you just know that it's not going to be there

671
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: like that for too long. And that whole thing took

672
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: off and it was kind of confusing for me because

673
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't really aware of any of the prior history

674
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: that they have all shared, and you know, watching that

675
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: on last week's episode, it was like, whoa where did

676
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: all this come from? Because I feel like I wasn't

677
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: necessarily around during all of this chaos. You would hear,

678
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, Jill screaming echoing down the you know, the beach,

679
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: and you wonder in what's going on. But I mean,

680
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: other than that, I feel like, I feel like Romeo,

681
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's somebody that wears his heart on

682
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: his sleeve. I don't think he's somebody that has, you know,

683
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: any sort of malicious intent, but he's he was down

684
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: there trying to figure out who his person was, and

685
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: I think he just got smitten by, you know, two

686
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: women that you know are great. I don't think Romeo

687
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: had any idea what was happening down on that beach.

688
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: From what we saw, he had no clue of how

689
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: to work through any conversations or anything. It was very

690
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: entertaining as a viewer, but I'm like, sir, you got

691
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: to be more direct and just kind of like have

692
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: a game plan in your mind here whatsoever? Yeah, I think, um,

693
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, I got to I got to learn a

694
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: little bit more about Romeo just he was, you know,

695
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: in the bunk bed next to me, and you know,

696
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: he's a really fascinating guy with an interesting background in

697
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: interesting pay that is literally polar opposite of mine. So

698
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: I found that really instead of me like thinking that

699
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: it's it's weird or odd, it's it's always interesting to

700
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: see how people process things and how they approach it.

701
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: And I mean he approaches things entirely different than me.

702
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: Like if there was a polar opposite, it's him, And

703
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: so we would have some talks and stuff, and I

704
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I was just always interested in

705
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: what he had to say. Yeah, Roley was a very

706
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: intriguing person. I remember that conversations were always so interesting.

707
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: Oh my, wait, he was in your season, yeah, Michelle,

708
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: I thought he was on Katie and Gabby's. No, he

709
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: was on my season where we are Romeo is down

710
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: on the sand trying to find two Juliets. Michael, I

711
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: want to ask you this because we have and Michelle

712
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: and I had talked about this a lot of the

713
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: cast members on this each we feel like this is

714
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: the first time we're actually really seeing them and getting

715
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: to know them, and one of those people is Casey,

716
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 1: who I find hilarious. I'm obsessed with Casey. He might

717
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: just be one of my favorite people on this season

718
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: so far. Like his one liners, Like he's so quick witted,

719
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: Like he's just I want more of Casey. Is he

720
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: as funny in person as he is on this show, Like,

721
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: just describe Casey for me a little bit. Yes, Casey

722
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: is one of the funniest people I've ever met. I mean,

723
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: quick witted. Absolutely, he's funnier. Like if you think he's

724
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: funny on camera, he's even better off camera. Like he

725
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: just has this really amazing way of breaking things down.

726
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he's his perspective always has this really dry

727
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: humor to it that I don't know, it adds, it

728
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: adds of it. Even during like the really stressful times

729
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: on the beach, he was always somebody that I buddied

730
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: up with, and um, we had like an immediate connection

731
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: just just because you know we have we have similar histories,

732
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: similar you know, ade ranges, all of that, and I

733
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: don't know, I think people are going to really enjoy

734
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: some of his commentary this season. I feel like he's

735
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: a good morale for everyone. Yeah, yeah, season, let him

736
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: narrate the season seriously, totally. Yes, the man is hilarious.

737
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of just different examples. I can't remember.

738
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: He had some hilarious comment where we were supposed to

739
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: be dead serious, like shit was hitting the fan during

740
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: this stupid sleeping please your X two. Yeah, Michelle Pacy

741
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: is a gem. Anyway, let's let's let's turn the microphone

742
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: over to Michelle. Yeah. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, just

743
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: like the ice Breakers, like the ship were supposed to

744
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: be like dead ass serious, like I was supposed to

745
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: be pissed off, and like I'd catch somebody that he

746
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: would say and I would just burst out laugh so funny.

747
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's often extremely like inappropriate and dry and

748
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: wonderful and like yeah, I don't know. His humor aligns

749
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: really like mine too, So he's super He comes off

750
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: so humble, like incredibly humble, and I think that's the

751
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: thing that I love the most. And even he made

752
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what comment he made to somebody. I

753
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I was like a pretty sorry if

754
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm throwing you under the bus, casey, but it was

755
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: like a comment he made where on my season where

756
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, Like normally I'm like I'm like

757
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: a solid nine in the real world, but like now

758
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: that I'm around all these good looking guys, He's like,

759
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: I'm like a walking two at best. Just like, really,

760
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm on the podcast. Yeah, very humble, very insightful. He

761
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: would be an entertaining guest, no doubt. Oh so good

762
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: one of these days when we will have him on.

763
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: But I could actually see you too getting along because

764
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: you both seem very similar. And yeah, you both just

765
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: always seem like you're just positive and happy, and not

766
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: to say that you're always like that, but again, good

767
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: moral for other people when they're down and going through

768
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: all the crazy drama that is paradise. I feel like

769
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: you both would be good people to gravitate towards. Yeah,

770
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: I think Casey and I have a similar perspective. And

771
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, when you're down on the beach, it can

772
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: be exhausting. I mean, it's hot as hell, there are

773
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 1: bugs everywhere. I mean, you're sleep deprived, and I think

774
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: people get caught up in that and they're not seeing

775
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: the bigger picture, which is this is such a cool

776
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: moment to share, like it's going to be gone in

777
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: a flash and so you know, don't get caught up

778
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: with you know this, that and the other. And it's like,

779
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: this is just the cool opportunity to dial in, focus

780
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: on yourself, focused on relationships, meet new people. See if

781
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: it works, if it does amazing, If it doesn't, you'll

782
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: always have that to look back on, those memories and

783
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: you'll value them. So it's like, make make the most

784
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: of it. I am. So I want to ask you

785
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: this because obviously not everyone has done a season of

786
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: the Batch Short or Batch Short and then goes on

787
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: to Paradise. But I always like to ask people who

788
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: have done both, because they're so drastically different. What did

789
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: you have more fun filming? Oh, definitely Paradise, hands down,

790
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: not even not even close. I mean it's it's better

791
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. I mean, I loved Katie's

792
00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: season because I think Katie's amazing person. She was great

793
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: in the role, and I love the guys from our season.

794
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: The difference is is that people warm up a lot

795
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: quicker on Paradise. I think, so they've done this before,

796
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: they understand kind of you know, what's going on. They

797
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: can see it from a little bit higher up, and

798
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: you get to know people a lot faster. You get

799
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: to spend more time with people and gets known. There's

800
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more freedom into you know, what you

801
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: can do during the day, and it feels more organic

802
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: in so many ways. Jet's just my opinion. Then you

803
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: know some of the formalities and everything that goes along

804
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 1: with bachelor and bachelorette. This is a lot more laid back,

805
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: many more fluid. Tell me that you don't miss somebody

806
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: interrupting your conversation every ten minutes, right, Well, no one

807
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: ever interrupted mine, thank god. But I was. I was

808
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: lucky the first I was. I was lucky. Um, actually

809
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: that's a lie. There was one time, Um, Andrew m

810
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: who was on our season, he came in and interrupted

811
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: me and I got up and I love Andrew. He's

812
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: like one of my closest friends. I was like, Katie,

813
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: this guy he's amazing, Like, get to know him, he's wonderful,

814
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: like and She's like, yeah, I was like, this is

815
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: a good one, Like he's not full of shit. She

816
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: was like, I'm trying to date you too, Why aren't

817
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: you hiving yourself up this way? You know? I was.

818
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, it's probably hard if

819
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: you're the lead trying to see past like the veil,

820
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: you know that happens like you don't know necessarily what's

821
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes, and you want someone to

822
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: least validate, like who is this person? Are they good

823
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: behind the scenes when the cameras aren't rolling? So yeah,

824
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: I Andrew shout out, why not? I love it. Men

825
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: supporting men. That's what we want to see more of,

826
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: especially on this show. One more thing that we need

827
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: to ask you about the drama and everything that we

828
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: saw go down in the most recent episode, specifically, was

829
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: Teddy's very abrupt exit. Was everyone as shocked because I

830
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: think for us viewers we kind of saw her not

831
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: spiral downward after that conversation with Rodney, but like it

832
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: seemed so abrupt that I was like, are we missing something?

833
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: Like did something happen on that beach that the viewers

834
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: aren't privy too of why she left without saying goodbye

835
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: to anybody? When Teddy left, that really took me by surprise.

836
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, I know that Andrew was so excited to

837
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: get to know her, and I know she was feeling

838
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: Andrew too to some extent, And you know, when Rodney

839
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: came down as well. It was almost as if these

840
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: two great guys were you know, kind of you know,

841
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: seeking you out, which can be a really really great thing.

842
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean, in most cases to have options is fantastic.

843
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: It's better than not having them. But I think that

844
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: she got a little bit overwhelmed with everything, and Teddy

845
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: is such an empathetic, like kind person that, you know,

846
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: I feel like she didn't necessarily want to break anybody's heart,

847
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: and I think she was really exhausted by the process

848
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: and found out that it really wasn't for her. And

849
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: it took everybody by surprise when when she left, And

850
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: I know Andrew was incredibly beat up about the whole thing.

851
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean, feeling anywhere from you know, guilty that she

852
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: left and that it didn't work between those two. And

853
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: so I don't know, my heart went out to you know,

854
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: my buddy, because I don't know. I think he wanted

855
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: it to be something, you know, special. And the thing

856
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: is is that you know, with finding love and finding

857
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: your person, you can't plan for it. You can't arrange

858
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: it like you can get excited. But I always feel

859
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: as though, especially in Paradise and things like this, it's

860
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 1: better to find out sooner than later that things don't work,

861
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: because in the real world, you could spend six months

862
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: with somebody before you realize you're not a match, and

863
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: that's just time wasted. Here, you know, it could be

864
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: a week or two, you know, and that's that's that's

865
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: kind of a good place to be. Yeah, it was interesting.

866
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: I think it caught everyone off guard because we've never

867
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: seen that before. Like we've seen people leave and they'll

868
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: have their exit interviews and have the chance to say

869
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: goodbye in some capacity, and this time around, it was

870
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: like she was just be line in for back to

871
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: the United States and it was it'll be interesting to

872
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: see how Andrew processes things. It seems like right now

873
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: he didn't get the closure that he needed, but yeah,

874
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: we'll find out. Gosh, that's so hard though, because it's like,

875
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, when you're in a situation where like you

876
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: think you want to be a part of something and

877
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: then you're there and you're just so uncomfortable and you're like,

878
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want to do this. I

879
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: just want to be home. You just want to get out,

880
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: like this is not for me. Gosh. I feel for

881
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: her too, with wanting to just like hit the road. Yeah,

882
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: and I think that's I think that's where Teddy was

883
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: coming from. Um, you know, it was weird because for

884
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: a while, we're all wondering where Teddy is and we're not.

885
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: The last thing we thought was that she left because usually,

886
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: and like let's fanis, you're not allowed to just leave.

887
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: It's not like you can call your own cab. But

888
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: to be like, hi, come pick me up, it's it

889
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: takes a lot to actually like get going. But you know,

890
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, people have

891
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: to do it's best for them, and you know, she

892
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: realized that this wasn't the place for her, and you know,

893
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: I actually applaud her for being decisive and making that

894
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: decision versus dragging it out without you know, her heart

895
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: being in it or her head. Yeah. Do you okay?

896
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: So you said that you'll touch base with Katie every

897
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: now and then, do you still talk to like, are

898
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: you close to the guys from Katie's season? Yeah? Absolutely.

899
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: I think once you've shared something like this, it's so

900
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: campy and odd that you can't help but you know,

901
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: have a special place for these people, and like, even

902
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the show, I'd still be friends

903
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: with these people. They're really really good and it was

904
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: really like enjoyable for me to know that, like Justin

905
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: and Andrew were down there some familiar faces where we're

906
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: not competing over the same person, but rather just kind

907
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: of going through the process together. It's it's it's truly

908
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: like a once in a lifetime experience that lives with

909
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: you for a really long time. Sometimes too on Yeah,

910
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: I can, I can understand that too. We'll talk about

911
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: that later. The word is through the grape vine that

912
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: you are a great rapper, and so I'm gonna need

913
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: you to drop a few lines before that's a couple

914
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: of beat Who who do you think my roommate Thomas, Oh, Thomas. Yeah, No,

915
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: there's no there is no possible way. You're so good.

916
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: He's like everyone, all of the guys know how great

917
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: of a rapper Michael A is. You need him to

918
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: drop a few lines. Let's keep it like Paradise themed

919
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: off off record. I will totally do that, you know,

920
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: not on record. No, come on, you gotta, you gotta

921
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: sometimes you said, what did you say? You gotta push

922
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: the birdie out of its nest and they'll fly. That

923
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: was all bullshit that, So can you do you think

924
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: you could wrap and give us a little bit of

925
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: a tease to like, our listeners about what they should

926
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: expect from this season. Look, people got people called me

927
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: cringe for saying the word youthful. You don't think they're

928
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: gonna come at me. How about this, Michael. I'm sure

929
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: we'll have you on this podcast again, probably at some

930
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: point within the season, maybe towards the end of the season.

931
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: So when you come back, your homework is you're gonna

932
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: have to wrap a few lines, just a couple, you know,

933
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: like a couple of eight counts, nothing crazy, and so

934
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: just be prepared. Okay, you know, Johnny's the rapper on

935
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: our season, and you have to include the words Zaddi

936
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: in it. And there's a lot of words that words

937
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: that rhyme is zaddi, so you shouldn't. Oh yeah, how

938
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: about this, I will say maybe to this, So if

939
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: you have me back on, I may do it again

940
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: as yes, you two look like you take maybes as

941
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: a yes, there's a chance. Okay, so you don't have

942
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: to wrap it for us, but can you give listeners

943
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of a tease of what to expect

944
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: on Bachelor in Paradise this season. Yeah, I mean this

945
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: this season. It has extreme highs, extreme lows. There are

946
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: some amazing love stories that develop, and there are really

947
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: some excruciating heartbreaks that like disrupt the entire Yeah, you know,

948
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: beach the house, and it's really lighthearted, it's really entertaining.

949
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: Um it's a long, long season, and I promise that

950
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: it's going to be worth watch until the end. This

951
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: is going to be really really fun. Who right? Um,

952
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: So Michael, how are you in love? You'll have to

953
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: tune in to find out you are prepped and trained? Well,

954
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: my friend, I can't say nothing. I always try to

955
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: get something out of you. Guys. Just somebody will slip

956
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: up now, Yeah, experts we are What was that, Michael?

957
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: I said, you have an inside track? I know I

958
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: know too much. Well okay, so Becca, as Michael's watching

959
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: it back, any advice for him that you have, you know,

960
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: rewatching this Paradise experience for him? Um? Oh, god were

961
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 1: to begin, well, I would tell anyone this after any

962
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: season or during any season. Just don't read the comments,

963
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: don't go on the forums. I mean, at this point,

964
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: people get obviously so invested in the show like even

965
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: us we're recapping this season, but what's done is done,

966
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: and you've already lived this and now it's just the

967
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: time to soak it in and embrace the friendships that

968
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: you've from the show. And one of their advice don't

969
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: be stupid. If you have any scandals, be upfront with

970
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: them beforehand because people will find you out. But just

971
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: have fun. I mean, like you said earlier, I don't

972
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: remember what question we had asked you, but you made

973
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: the point of, like, it's so fleeting when you live

974
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: on that beach, but there's so much more to so, Kate,

975
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: I think this time around, with the different people and friendships,

976
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: you'll make that that's the fun part. And just have

977
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: fun when it's done, because like there's a lot I mean,

978
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: as you know, after cases and there's a lot that's

979
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: going to happen. But I don't know, let me rephrase,

980
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: wherever you're at in a relationship or not, I'm not

981
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: quite sure. Just have fun because once you can finally

982
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: be out and in public, if that's the case, it's

983
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: going to be so worthwhile. And just just embrace every

984
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: moment really because as you said, it goes by so fast.

985
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not really great with advice because everyone's

986
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: journey is so different and people have different experiences on

987
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: that beach. I wasn't there, But I do have one

988
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: final question to ask you before we get into like

989
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: our last thing. Um, how did you like the food

990
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: in Paradise? Because I found it incredible. I miss it.

991
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: I would go back just for the food. What are

992
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: you about. I loved it. You learned to like you

993
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: realize that it's not the menu. It's like all of

994
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: this off menu stuff that you can have them make.

995
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,479
Speaker 1: The shrimp are insane, I mean everything, They're so good.

996
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: The shrimp tacos. I heard something about the tacos. You know.

997
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Michelle, go for the food. This is Michael.

998
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: This is us trying to convince Michelle to go to Paradise. Oh, Michelle,

999
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: Paradise is so much fun. It's way better, way as

1000
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: long as I'll give my date date card to the

1001
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: to the food. Ye come from somebody who said no, no,

1002
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: no for so long, and I feel like Michael did too,

1003
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: And from going from a season of the Bachelor to

1004
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: your own season. Paradise is one thousand times more fun,

1005
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: more freeing. It's more fluid. It's like out of any season.

1006
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: I would say, do a season of Paradise. Yeah, it

1007
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: sucks that people have to go through like an actual

1008
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: season before they can do Paradise. But like to paradise,

1009
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, there's just like I need a break. But yeah,

1010
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: like the sunsets down there are they're insane. Is this

1011
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 1: is this is actually a really funny story real quick.

1012
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: Is you know there's tons of bugs and everything down there.

1013
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: You're living in these conditions where you know, you don't

1014
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: have any windows, um, any doors, it's all crabs in

1015
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: your suitcase, it's all open air. Yeah, exactly. While I

1016
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: was on the top bunk right and um, it was

1017
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: like day three or four or something, I look up

1018
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: and there's like a four five foot snake living above

1019
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: me and it was like this close to my face

1020
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 1: and it was wrapped around this pole. And the thing

1021
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: was is you would immediately say, like get somebody in

1022
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: here to take care of this snake, right, But then

1023
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: I realized real quickly that this snake was actually eating

1024
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: all of the bugs that were falling on me every

1025
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: single night. So this guy was kind of like my

1026
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: friend throughout the entire face. You're not doing a great

1027
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: job of convincing her to come. Just like, what color

1028
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: was it? What's that? What color was it? It was

1029
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: like a blackish green. Oh heck no, yeah, you said

1030
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: four to five foot snake. Yeah, it was huge, you do, like,

1031
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm yes, stick, I'm five foot something. Yeah, and it

1032
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: was like like that thick too. So you had an

1033
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: antaconda wrapped her under bud, is what you're telling me? Yeah, absolutely,

1034
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was out there like eating

1035
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: everything that was getting caught up in you know, the

1036
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: rafters in that weird Okay, So I will say the

1037
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: men had worse living quarters than the women. Like the

1038
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: women because we're up a little higher. There's always a

1039
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: breeze blowing through the quarters. So like you, like, bugs

1040
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: don't really stay. Yeah, the snake is a little iffy.

1041
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. I really did like you, Michael,

1042
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: but now I think you might be kind of put

1043
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: This was this was survival out here, and you're so

1044
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: asleep deprived that you just don't care. You're like fucking bugs,

1045
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't care. Oh, I know, I know. Maybe Wait,

1046
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: were you actually Wilson? You know it became like my

1047
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: will Yeah, you're you're basically living a castaway. Yeah, I

1048
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: would confess to him every night. Yeah, that's going to

1049
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: be a no, I can see that. Okay. On that note, Michael,

1050
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: we're going to get into something a little bit more

1051
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: serious here. So we always have our guests give their

1052
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: rose and thorn of the season or of the episode.

1053
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: But on top of that, we've added a new thing,

1054
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: which we think it's so important to keep our listeners

1055
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: informed and just share important resources that we love that

1056
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: we can always repost as well that anyone can go

1057
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: back and find and look and read and watch and whatever.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to start with the resource first, and

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01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: just to make it easier, I'll kick it off unless

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01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: Michelle is that okay with you, totally take it away. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I have two resources I want to share this week.

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01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: One is a documentary that I found I just wanted

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01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I think it's on other platforms too. You

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01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: do have to pay like two dollars to watch it,

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01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: but it's a documentary called Dark Girls, and it's very interesting.

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 1: I think it's it was made a few years years ago,

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01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: but it's still always timely and it just goes into

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01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: basically how at such a young age, when we're children,

1069
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: we start to just form these certain like idealisms of

1070
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: beauty and like what constitute as beautiful or as smart

1071
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. It like really breaks down

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01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: the status based upon the level level of color in

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01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: skin and how such young children start to realize that

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01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: which and it's it's very informative. It's like there's parts

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01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: of it that are sad. Like it's a very interesting watch,

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01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: but I would highly recommend it to anyone who just

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01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: has some like an hour of their time. So it's

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Speaker 1: called Dark Girls Again. I found it on YouTube and

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01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: then the second one that I want to share, and

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01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: this is adding to Michelle's resource last week of the

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01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: Still Processing podcast and I shared it on my Instagram story.

1082
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: But it's an episode. I don't remember what exact number

1083
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: it is, but the title of it is Little nas

1084
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: X Not Sorry, And it's very timely for everything that

1085
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: has happened within this franchise, especially within the past couple

1086
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: of weeks of the finale. It kind of goes into

1087
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: different types of public apology, breaks them all down, It

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01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: gives examples so you know exactly what they're talking about,

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01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: and you can kind of compare apologies that we have

1090
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: seen in the past in this franchise versus now. UM,

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01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: highly recommend that one. I think it's it's from twenty twenty,

1092
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: I believe, but very important and still timely. Now love that.

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01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: So those are mine? Wow, I love this. I love

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01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: this segment too. Oh good, well it was Michelle's idea

1095
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: way to go. Do you still want to do the

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01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 1: Rosenthorne part two? Yeah? Are we just going to do well?

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01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: We should do resources and then Rosenthorne? Right, okay, yeah, okay,

1098
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: So for now those are great, Becca, and that the

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01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: still Process podcasts, that the entire pocket. That's amazing, Like,

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01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: it's amazing. There's some awesome episodes. Great, it's incredible, it

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01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: really is. UM. So my my resource is it's the book.

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01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have potentially heard of it,

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: but it's called White Fragility, UM. Just finished reading it

1104
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: for the second time. It is basically this it's I

1105
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: think it's by Robin D'Angelo. UM, and I can link

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01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: it as well on my page. But just this book

1107
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: about why it is so difficult, um for white people

1108
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: to talk about racism and the defensiveness and goes into

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01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: that whole concept of really talking about those and why

1110
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: it is so hard to speak about those things, um,

1111
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: but why it's important. It's honestly, like if you are

1112
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: wondering where to start in your journey of having these

1113
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: hard conversations like that is that is the book that

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01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: I would point everybody to, UM if I know it's

1115
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: on audible, UM, so like pop it in while you're driving.

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01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: I'll look all those things as well. So yep, wait

1117
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: for wonderful things. I love that. My guess, my, my resources.

1118
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: You know. October is breast cancer Awareness month, and you know,

1119
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: obviously it's something that's touched my family, and it's touched

1120
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: way too many people sadly. One thing that I think

1121
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: people need to do is contact their you know, legislators,

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01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: their senators about making mammograms more accessible at an earlier

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01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: age and covered by insurance. I think women are getting

1124
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: breast cancer younger and younger, which is really alarming to me.

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01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: And right now as it sets, you can't insurance doesn't

1126
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: cover mammograms until you're about forty years old. But people

1127
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: in their thirties are getting it, People are in their

1128
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: late twenties are getting it, and you shouldn't have to

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01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: wait in order to take care of yourself and to

1130
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: possibly save a life because early detection is key for

1131
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: this whole thing. Um yeah, so that's that's one thing

1132
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: I continue to be passionate about. And you know, American

1133
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: Cancer Society is also running their Real Men Wear Pink campaign.

1134
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: Um so, if you guys are interested in, you know,

1135
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: continuing that fight during Breast cancer UM Awareness Month, you know,

1136
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: give them and give them a check and donate if

1137
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: you can. M amazing. I love that. Thank you. Also,

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: mammograms and like all those female just things that females

1139
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: have to deal with because we're females should be the

1140
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: same thing as vaccinations, like should be absolutely flu shot

1141
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: flu shots free. Like let's go, we could have a

1142
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: whole podcast on how screwed up our healthcare system is

1143
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: totally right now, what's should we get into it right now?

1144
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: Add adding on to that, Planned Parenthood, I know people

1145
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: just think it's an abortion clinic. It does so much

1146
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: more than that, which is why people should not want

1147
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: to defund it. But we can save this for another

1148
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 1: separate episode. People episodes a time, we're gonna have to

1149
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: have to cover this. Yeah no, Michael, that was great,

1150
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that. We so appreciate it, and

1151
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: we have mentioned this on our podcast too, but Michelle

1152
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: and I are always going to be sharing these on

1153
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: our stories and just on our highlights page. So if

1154
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 1: anyone ever wants to go back and access old resources

1155
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: that we shared, it's all going to be found there,

1156
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: so you shouldn't have any problems. But yeah, I love it.

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01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: It's it's such a you know, I think a lot

1158
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: of times we're always wondering what can we do since

1159
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: we can't change everything, and I think this is an

1160
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: awesome thing for you guys to do to educate your audience,

1161
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, provide some easy things for

1162
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: people to educate themselves if they want to be educated,

1163
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: if they are open to having an open mind and

1164
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: being able to change, which that's its own thing. But

1165
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,839
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are doing good work. We help

1166
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: more and more people just keep that open mind, and

1167
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're all about learning. We got to teach

1168
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: her in our midst here, and so we got a

1169
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: dad who you know, you're teaching James as he grows up,

1170
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: so it's important. But with that, Michael, now we got

1171
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: to get into the rose and thorn. We obviously asked

1172
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: our guests this every week, basically highlight and low light.

1173
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it. Of the season so far, so

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01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: these first three episodes, what is your rose and your thorn?

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01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: Let's see my thorn of this season probably the heat

1176
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: down there, the bugs, the no air conditioning. It's early

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01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: on in the season, so it was, you know, I

1178
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: wasn't adapting to it. I end up, you know, welcoming

1179
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: that bohemian lifestyle real quickly. But at this point I'm

1180
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: a sweaty mess and you can see it all over

1181
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: my face and so, um, my rose. It would probably

1182
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,879
Speaker 1: go to you know, the cast um. They were actually

1183
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: amazing people, everybody, um and I'm not joking either. There

1184
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 1: are people that come from diverse walks of life, unique backgrounds,

1185
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: open people. It takes a lot of courage to put

1186
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 1: yourself out there and to go on you know, something

1187
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: as crazy as Bachelor in Paradise, and you know, for that,

1188
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: I always applaud people for taking that like roadless traveled. Amen,

1189
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: that's great, But shall you want to go? I was

1190
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: gonna say, can my Thorne be kind of disappointed that

1191
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: Michael's rose wasn't the Zadie My Thorne could have been

1192
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: youthful too, exactly. No, No, it was so funny. Um,

1193
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: but I would say, um, my Thorn, it's probably learning

1194
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: about the massive snake that sat above your head. I

1195
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,759
Speaker 1: know that we didn't see that, but now, like man,

1196
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: all doors to paradise are closed. He made a friend,

1197
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: right right, No, that's true, that's so true. Um. But

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01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: my rose would probably have to be like getting to

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01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: see Casey blossom and like his humor and just being

1200
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: really because like you know, you see a little bit

1201
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: of that, but having the world get to see that.

1202
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: I would say, that's my that's my rose. That's what

1203
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm excited for. And you know, like the relationships and

1204
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: the love and stuff too, but like humor can't beat it.

1205
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: Are gonna love him to see? Yes, um, those are

1206
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: great ones. Okay, I'm gonna say, my Thorn. This actually

1207
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: also could be my rose because it was pretty entertaining,

1208
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: but it was so cringe worthy. Is the swerve that

1209
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: was the kiss between Romeo and Brittany so awkward, so

1210
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: fringe worthy. Again, very entertaining for me, but like putting

1211
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: myself back in like trying to like be in their positions,

1212
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: so awkward on both accounts. It just it was a mess.

1213
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: Maybe look no, it made me look harder because I

1214
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: was like, I've got to see this again, um um,

1215
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: And can I give two roses? I have to because

1216
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: there's one thing because Michelle and I usually recap each

1217
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: episode and we didn't at the top of this one.

1218
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: So one was the though it was slightly too long

1219
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: and didn't execute as well as I would hope. The

1220
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: reenactment with Wells and Sally's suitcase with the women at

1221
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: the bar was gold. It gave me like flashbacks to

1222
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: drunken history with that show. It's such a good show

1223
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 1: that like watching Wells be this producer with like this luggage,

1224
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: it's a key player in the game. It's clearly it

1225
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: stand out contestant. There was the luggage, So that reenactment,

1226
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: I would say it was great. Um. And then my

1227
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: other rose is just being able to see I feel

1228
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: like because I've been out of this show for so

1229
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: long and like I was able to do the two

1230
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: or seeing like friends on the beach, like Andrew and Justin,

1231
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: who I consider like a little brothers to me, as

1232
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: annoying and wonderful as they are, like to see them

1233
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: kind of go through like this journey now and like

1234
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: navigate the hard parts and like the really fun parts.

1235
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: It's just been fun. You know. I feel for them

1236
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: when they get their hearts broken, but that's like for anyone.

1237
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: But it's just fun to see people that I now

1238
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: consider like family and friends go through this crazy, incredible

1239
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: journey because it can be so worthwhile. So that's that's

1240
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: one of my roses too. And with that, Michael, was

1241
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: so much fun having you. It's always a pleasure. Nice

1242
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: to see you guys. Thanks for having me on and

1243
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: back of good luck with your model too. Thank you. Um,

1244
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: once it's done, please if you ever come visit San Diego,

1245
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: you have a place to stay, come hang out with us.

1246
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: And um, I'm hoping fingers Crossed will have you again

1247
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: later on in this season. Work on that rap. I

1248
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: was gonna say, we didn't forget, we will never forget

1249
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: coming back. He's like, oh no, but eight. Michelle is

1250
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: so awesome meeting you too. I've been wanting to meet

1251
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: you for a while and big fan ears you as well. Well.

1252
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 1: We're excited to see how this all plays out, and

1253
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure we will have you on again soon just

1254
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: because we're going to request it for that rap. Yeah,

1255
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: we're only gonna ask Michael A every episode here I note, Yep,

1256
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon. Thanks Michael. Okay, Michelle, wasn't

1257
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: he so fun? I'm such a Michael A fan. He's

1258
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: really He's really sweet. He has a good head on

1259
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: the shoulders um seems very wise and yeah, I'm kind

1260
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: of I'm excited to see see how this turns out

1261
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: for him. I am too. I mean, obviously, I love

1262
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: the love stories on this show and I'm really rooting

1263
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: for everyone to find somebody and I really really hope

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Speaker 1: he does, so we will continue to watch him and

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Speaker 1: find out. Yeah, he just the youthful comments, the like

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Speaker 1: the Zaddies. Could I could go with a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of that more Michael A for a bit. But

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Speaker 1: thank you Michael for joining us and Michelle. It's always

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Speaker 1: so much fun with you. But a huge shout out

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Speaker 1: to our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. Thank you for tuning

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