1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Floomberg sound On. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: The Justice Department has filed a motion in the Southern 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: District of Florida to n SEO search warrant in light 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: of the former president's public confirmation of the search, the 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: surrounding circumstances, and the substantial public interest in this matter. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: Floomberg Sound On, Politics, Policy and Perspective from DC's top Names. 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: We didn't go there to talk about China. We went 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: there to praise Taiwan. When we take the House in two, 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: we investigate all of this. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. What is in the search warrant? 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: That is what all of Washington wants to know more, 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: I would say all the nation wants to know, and 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: we might know soon. The Justice Department has moved to 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: unsealed parts of the search warrant for more lago and 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: what was taken. Attorney General Merritt Garland didn't give a 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: lot of details today about what could be in the warrant, 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: what they were looking for, but he said that it 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: was a decision that the Department did not take lightly. 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm Emily Wilkins and again today for Joe Matthew, we 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: have a jammed packed news show for you today. Well, 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: it's really not often that the Attorney General holds a 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: press conference, and when Merrick Arland spoke today, all of 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: Washington was listening. But in case you weren't, here's what 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: Attorney General Merrick Garland said. I personally approved the decision 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: to seek a search warrant in this matter. Second, the 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: Department does not take such a decision lightly where possible 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: in a standard practice to seek less intrusive means as 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: an alternative to a search, and to narrowly scope any 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: search that is undertaken. Garland further addressed the criticisms of 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: the department has been under taking this unprecedented step of searching, 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: of executing a search warrant on a former president. Let 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: me address recent unfounded attacks on the professionalism of the 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: FBI and Justice Department agents and process secutors. I will 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: not stand by silently when their integrity is unfairly attacked. 35 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: The men and women of the FBI and the Justice 36 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: Department are dedicated, patriotic public servants. This is a developing story. 37 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: There's still many unanswered questions, but here to address at 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: least some of those questions. We welcome Jessica Roth, professor 39 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: of law at the Cardoso School of Law and a 40 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor in the United States Attorney's Office for 41 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: the Southern District of New York. Jessica, thank you so 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: much for joining us today. I want to jump in 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: just recapping what Attorney General Garland said. He did not 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: speak for long, he did not take questions. What was 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: your takeaway of what he was trying to do today 46 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: with this pressor. Yeah. I thought it was really important 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: actually that he speake today, and I thought his remarks 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: were entirely appropriate under the circumstances, including their brevity and 49 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: the fact that they were prepared and that he did 50 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: not take questions. UM. Usually the Department of Justice doesn't 51 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: comment on ongoing investigating age an application for a search 52 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: warrant would not be unsealed, but in these unique circumstances, 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: I think it's appropriate that the Department moved to unseal 54 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: the application UM, and that he spoke to the public 55 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: to state that he was doing so. UH. The former 56 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: president has confirmed publicly that a search was executed on 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: his property UM, thus essentially eliminating one of the primary 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: reasons why search warrants remain under seal at this juncture, 59 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: which is to protect the privacy of those UM who 60 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: were searched UM. And then secondarily, there's just an enormous 61 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: public interest in these events UM, in part because of 62 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: the former president's statements UM announcing it and subsequent statement UM, 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: and by the fact that he's the former president of 64 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: the United States. And so I think given those circumstances, 65 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: it's appropriate to speak the unsealing so that the facts 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: about the investigation UM, at least that can be released 67 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: without violating or or compromising law enforcement interest in an 68 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: ongoing investigation, so that that can be out in the 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: public domain to try to at least meet some of 70 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: the misinformation and misunderstanding that may be out there at 71 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: this point. Jessica, you're really making the case here that 72 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: the reason that Attorney General Garland did what he did 73 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: today was because this was in the interest of the 74 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: public and in the interest of transparency. I'm wondering if 75 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: you also feel like the political pressure he was underhead 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: anything to do with Certainly you saw many lawmakers, many Republicans, 77 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: really respond to the news of the search warrant by 78 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: lobbying a lot of accusations against the FBI and the 79 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: Justice Department. I wouldn't characterize his remarks as responding to 80 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: political pressure so much as responding to the information that 81 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: was out in the public domain that was casting um 82 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: aspersions on the integrity um of members of the FBI 83 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: and the Department of Justice and and and Attorney General 84 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: Garland spoke directly to that and defending at the professionalism 85 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: and integrity of those individuals, UM. But I think he 86 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that it was untenable not to 87 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: say something um in the face of such a public uproar, 88 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: and when it was permissible under the circumstances that I 89 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: described a moment ago, given the fact that the search 90 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: was already public um, and that this was involving a 91 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: former politician UM, and that there was such significant public 92 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: interest in the matter, that in those circumstances it was 93 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: really incumbent upon him to have a press conference and 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: make the brief statement that he did. What could we 95 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: find out from the search warrant if it does get unsealed, Well, 96 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: what we'll find out is first the nature of the investigation. 97 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: I mean, we already know to some extent something about 98 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: the nature that we know more today actually after the 99 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: press conference and the UH the filing of the application 100 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: to unseal the search warrant than we did before. There 101 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: had previously been reporting that this was at least in part, 102 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: an national security investigation, based on the reporting about meetings 103 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: between members of the Department of Justice is National Security 104 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: Division and President former President Trump staff speaking materials that 105 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: were at Mara Largo UH, following up on conversation UH 106 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: in communications between the National Archives and former President Trump's 107 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: team about missing documents, and reporting that the National Archives 108 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: had found class inline classify materials in documents that it 109 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: had already recovered from Mara Lago. UM. So the fact 110 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: that personnel high ranking personnel from the National Security Division 111 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: were present um UH were signed off on the application 112 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: to unseal suggests that this was in fact an investigation 113 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: within their per view. So I would say we learned 114 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: that UM, but we will learn more when we see 115 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: the search warrant application, because that will contain an affid 116 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: david UM that sets forth the probable cause to believe 117 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: that specific crimes had been at it and that evidence 118 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: of them would be found at Mara Lago. So it 119 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: will also on the warrant itself give us likely the 120 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: statutory provisions that are the subject of the investigation, and 121 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: then essentially the text of the alpha David will tell 122 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: us specific facts to the extent that they can be 123 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: disclosed without having to be redacted to protect ongoing investigations 124 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: and national security interests through what it is that this 125 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: investigation is about. Interesting, So it does sound like we 126 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: could find out a good deal about what the Justice 127 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: Department UH for their larger investigation that led to the 128 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: search warrant. Now, the court has given Trump and his 129 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: lawyers until August to respond to the DJ's request to 130 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: make the documents public. Is there any chance that Trump 131 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: agrees to unseal the warrant? Well, if he were to 132 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: be consistent with his public statements in the few days 133 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: since the search was executed, then he ought to UH 134 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: consent to their disclosure and and not oppose the motion 135 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: to unsteal. However, um, it may be that he and 136 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: his team determined it's actually in their interest to leave 137 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: it unclear in the public domain exactly what the crimes 138 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: are that were the subject of the investigation, um, and 139 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: even more importantly, what the specific facts are and the 140 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: information in the possession of the FBI that permitted it 141 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: do get the search warrant right, which requires a showing 142 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: of probable cause to adjudge satisfaction that crimes have been 143 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: committed and that evidence of them will be found in 144 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: the premises to be searched. So even though former President 145 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: Trump has staying has been saying um that, um, it 146 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: should all be released, um, he actually has had that 147 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: search warrant and the return um the of the item 148 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: um in his possession. He could have released it up 149 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: until this point. But if he may actually strategically benefit 150 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: from the lack of specificity in the public domain about 151 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: what the crimes were that were under investigation and even 152 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: more importantly, what information already is in the possession of 153 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: the FBI to suggest that those crimes had been committed 154 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: and evidence of them would be on his premises. That's 155 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: a really good point there, that you know, Trump can 156 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: release his paper at any time. We actually there is 157 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: just a tweet from Congressman Jerry Noddler, chairman of the 158 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: House Judiciary Committee, pointing that out that Trump could have 159 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: released this information he's refused, and now that the Justice 160 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: Department is now trying to to get this out into 161 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: the daylight and into the public eye. Is there any 162 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: way that UM, you know that that Santa seems now 163 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: like if Trump doesn't go ahead and agree for it 164 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: to be unsealed, what is that going to mean for 165 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: the investigation? I don't think it's going to mean anything 166 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: for the investigation, which will unfold as it otherwise would have. 167 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: In any event, the agents and the prosecutors working with 168 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: them are going to be going through the documents that 169 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: were seized, assessing their evidentiary value, putting them together with 170 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: the other evidence they already have UM, and deciding whether 171 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: or not to pursue criminal charges or if if one 172 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: of the primary interests is just simply making sure that 173 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: they've collected UH information is important to national security, making 174 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: sure that they have all of it, and then figuring 175 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: out if there's any measures that need to be taken 176 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: to address UH any dangers or compromising of methods and 177 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: sources and assets, etcetera. So they're all going to be 178 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: doing the work I think that they would have been 179 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: doing anyway, but for today's UM events. UM. The court though, 180 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: would have to decide whether or not to actually grant 181 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: the motion to unseal in the face of opposition from 182 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: former President Trump if in fact that's the position he takes, 183 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: and that would be illegal analysis UM looking into factors 184 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: including what are the remaining privacy interests of the former 185 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: president or maybe any other people who might be the 186 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: subjects of the surach or a possible investigation. What remaining 187 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: interests do they have that should be considered UM in 188 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: in counterbalancing the public interest in s being the contents 189 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: of the search warrant application. You know, obviously former President 190 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: Trump he had the search warrant. UH. He's now having 191 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: his tax returns released to a House committee. He was 192 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: in front of the New York Attorney General the other 193 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: day where he took the fifth in an investigation about 194 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: his real estate and his taxes. It just seems like 195 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: Trump is having this pile up of action in legal 196 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: cases against him. Is there any sort of way that 197 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: he is able to to get out from this and 198 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: to run for president again? That I can't speak to. 199 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: I think that's really a political calculus more than a 200 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: legal one. UM. Although there are some possible charges UM 201 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: that people have discussed is potentially coming out of UH, 202 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: the investigation related to the search warrant that might complicate 203 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: the ability of an individual charged or convicted of those 204 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: crimes to rent for up. That's a whole constitutional debate 205 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: also about that I could actually be constitutionally applied to 206 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: somebody running for president, but certainly has a trope of 207 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: legal issues. He's going to trope of legal issues. Jessica, 208 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to leave it there. Jessica Roth, Professor 209 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: of law at the Cordoso School of Law, Thank you 210 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Coming up, we assemble the panel. 211 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On on 212 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. This is Emily Wilkins in Today again for 213 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew. Big news of the day, Justice Department is 214 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: taking steps to unsealed parts of the search warrant on 215 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: former President Trump's home in mar Lago. The ball is 216 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: now in Trump's court as to whether he gives permission 217 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: for that warrant to be unsealed. He has until August 218 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: to do that. And for the most in depth political 219 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: analysis on this event, we go to the all star 220 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: team of Genie Chienzano and Rick Davis. Guys, Huge, huge newsday. 221 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: We just heard from Jessica Roth that if Trump wanted 222 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: to have the search warrant out there, he could have 223 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: already released it. I mean, this is the guy who 224 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: told everyone uh in a press release that he that 225 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: the search warrant had happened to begin with, Jennie, Why 226 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: do you think Trump hasn't released the search warrant himself already? Well, 227 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: he's been wanting to control this narrative, and he did 228 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: right up until this surprise news conference. And of course, 229 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: and now you know, I think everybody has been saying, 230 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: and I agree with this assessment. You have Merrick Garland 231 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: calling his bluff, saying, you've been controlling the narrative around 232 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: this search, but now we're going to unseal the records that, 233 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: as you just discussed, he could have released. And now 234 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: he has put the lawyers for Trump in a really 235 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: uncomfortable position. They either agree with the release he releases 236 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: them himself, or they fight it. And you can you 237 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: imagine what kind of argument they would make after all 238 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: this rhetoric, to say, don't unseal these records for the public. 239 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: So the Justice Department really really calling his bluff. And 240 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, as you read through the document they filed 241 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: for the stealing, they make it clear we didn't discuss 242 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: this publicly, the subject did, and now we want these 243 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: released because it's in the public interest. Got some political 244 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu going on here. Uh. You know, Garland, he 245 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: kept some things. He kept the the pressor short, but 246 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: he also made sure in it to address the criticism 247 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: that the FBI has received. You've seen lawmakers coming out 248 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: in recent days calling for an investigation into the FBI, 249 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: to the fund the FBI, questioning the partisanship of all 250 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: of this. Let's listen to what Garland had to say 251 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: in response to all that. Let me address recent unfounded 252 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: attacks on the professionalism of the FBI and Justice Department 253 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: agents and prosecutors. I will not stand by silently when 254 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: their integrity is unfairly attacked. The men and women of 255 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: the FBI and the Justice Department are dedicated, patriotic public servants. Rick. 256 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: Is this presser and and this particular part of the 257 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: pressor enough to kind of uh and some of the 258 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: criticism about the FBI kind of set the record straight 259 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: and move the needle at all with Republicans. Yeah, I 260 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: think I think it It did quite a bit of 261 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: good in that regard because it was the first time 262 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: that we've seen Garland actually get up and defending agency 263 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: and and and I do agree with Jennie. He gave 264 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: a great Texas two step, putting Trump on the defensive 265 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: by saying, well, we've made a motion to put this 266 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: thing out in the public domain, and all he's got 267 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: to do is agree to it, and the judge has 268 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: to agree to it also. But the other thing that 269 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: was going around on Capitol Hill today was a lot 270 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: of calls by consultants talking to their their members saying, hey, um, 271 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: what if it is bad? What if this national security 272 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: investigation is ugly? And you guys are out there defending 273 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: Trump on this um sooner or later, the truth is 274 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: going to come out on what it is this investigation 275 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: was looking into one way or another, and you don't 276 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: want to be on the wrong side of that. And 277 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: so I think there is going to be a backlash 278 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: where people are gonna say, you know, we gotta start 279 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: thinking about some of the rhetoric we're putting out there, 280 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: because dog piling on the FBI, dog piling on d 281 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: o J at a time when it actually maybe something 282 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: that that that is pretty significant, could backfire on all 283 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: of us. So I think some of the more thoughtful 284 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: members are gonna take a step back and start looking 285 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: at this and saying it's going to be a long 286 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: term discussion, and we we ought to wait and see 287 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: what comes out. And you know, Rick, I absolutely hear 288 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: you on sort of the thought that the rhetoric around 289 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: the FBI's search of maral Lago might wind up being 290 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: a bit toned down based on what we saw today. 291 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: But I'm also just wondering if this is going to 292 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: represent a breaking part with Trump and with many lawmakers 293 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,239 Speaker 1: in Congress. I mean, to defend someone who is constantly 294 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: being investigated, having their home searched by the FBI. Are 295 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: we at a point where enough is enough? Uh? You know, 296 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: every time we think that, Emily, we're wrong. Uh. This 297 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: is a really cow towing party to Donald Trump. He 298 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: does sometimes the most outrageous things that you would think 299 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: would make him, uh, you know, kryptonite to the party, 300 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: and yet UM party leaders UM tend to gravitate back 301 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 1: to him simply because he holds a lot of power 302 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: within the party rank and file that they need in 303 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: order to execute their jobs. So it's it's it's an 304 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: ugly situation where I'm you know, I've always been a 305 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: bit of a optimist for the Republican Party, but I 306 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: must say this is a great example where Trump could 307 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: take down the whole house if uh, if, if our 308 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: leaders continue to glom on and just think about the 309 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: the optics where we're attacking the FBI after having just 310 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: attacked the left for defunding the police. I mean, you know, 311 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: it was really outrageous to a conservative, uh commentators sounding 312 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: like the squad today. So so, Rick, this is interesting. 313 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: Then you you don't think that you know, Trump's chances 314 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: of being president, nothing's going to be hampered by all 315 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: of this. He still has the political power that he 316 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: always does. You know, Look, I think you chip away. 317 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean, as you pointed out in an earlier conversation 318 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: with Jessica, he's got a lot of legal problems. This 319 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: is not this is one of them. And and so 320 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: I do believe at some point you take on so 321 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: much negativity, so much weight, that even if you could 322 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: get your party's nomination, you can't remember he had his 323 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: party's nomination in and didn't win. So he's got to 324 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: actually do better than he did last time around. And 325 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: right now, I don't see that as being a possibility. Yeah, 326 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: very interesting and unprecedented time in politics. I'm sure we'll 327 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: hear more of this story up next, we'll be speaking 328 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: with Congresswoman Susan del Bennet. 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House Democrats vote tomorrow 338 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: on that reconciliation legislation, that inflation reduction acts, that successor 339 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: to build back better. It's expected to pass, but will 340 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: it change Democrats fate in November. Will be speaking with 341 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: one important member who's going to be voting on it tomorrow. 342 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: In just a minute. Will We are joined now by 343 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Susan del bene She's a Democrat from Washington, but 344 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: she is also the chair of the New Democratic Coalition. 345 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: If you're not a policy wonk, you might not have 346 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: heard of this caucus, but it is a powerful block 347 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: of almost a hundred lawmakers within the House Democratic Caucus. 348 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: This means that Chairwoman Del Benny has really got her 349 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: pulse on what members are thinking, what is happening in 350 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: the House. Congressman, thank you so much for joining us 351 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: on this heavy newsday. I know we got to get 352 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: to the big vote that's coming tomorrow, but before we 353 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: get there, I need to get your reaction to the 354 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: news that the Attorney General is asking to unseal the 355 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: search warrant from our lago. Does the public need to 356 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: see this warrant? And is it going to be an 357 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: issue if Trump doesn't consent to it being unsealed. Um, 358 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, I don't have any more information. I think 359 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: the the Attorney General made it clear that he thought 360 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: this could be unsealed and made that request. So I 361 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: think now we wait to see, UM what will happen 362 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: there and if that information will be out clearly uh, 363 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: President Trump also has uh that and could release that information. 364 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: So UM, we'll see if that information comes out soon, 365 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: just so people are aware of what's happening. I mean, 366 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: do you think it's important for people to know what 367 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: the FBI's reason for having that search for it was? Well, 368 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: I think UM the Attorney General Garland made it clear 369 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: UM that this was something he signed off on, and 370 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: UM and also talked about the important work that the 371 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: FBI and Department of Justice are doing. So they are, 372 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: they're continuing to move forward, and clearly if the if 373 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: the information is unsealed, that will provide greater clarity in 374 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: terms of the type of information they're looking for. So UM, 375 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: I don't know more though than anyone else does at 376 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: this point, but well, Cogress and I definitely want to 377 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: take some time and talk about the vote tomorrow on 378 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act, that big package of spending bills. 379 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: There's a lot that is in here. Talk to me 380 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: a little bit about how you'll be speaking to your 381 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: voters back home in Washington State about what's in this bill, 382 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: how are you going to sell it? Well, this is 383 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: really an incredibly important piece of legislation. UM. From the 384 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: start of budget reconciliation negotiations last year, UM our coalition, 385 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: the New Dems push for a final bill that would 386 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: focus on doing a few things well, UM, making sure 387 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: that we look at lowering energy and healthcare costs and 388 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: tackling climate change, and the Inflation Reduction Act does that. UM. 389 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: As a coalition, we've endorsed the legislation UM and have 390 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: strong support and I think folks at home know how 391 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: important it is that we continue the Affordable Care Act 392 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: premium subsidies that have helped keep healthcare prices low, UM, 393 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: enabling Medicare to negotiate lower prescription drug prices, this has 394 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: been a top priority for seniors for years. And boosting 395 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: clean energy production. UM. These are all things the Inflation 396 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: Reducted and Actual will do that are really going to 397 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: help our economy, help families save money, UM, ensure cleaner 398 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: air and water for future generations. Huge priorities and UM 399 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: and again another historic piece of legislation that we're passing 400 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: this Congress carcusson. Obviously, there's a lot in here, but 401 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: there are also are many things that aren't getting done. 402 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: I know that you yourself pushed for the child tax 403 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: credit to be included. That's not here. I mean, this 404 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: was talked about so much for months and months and months. 405 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 1: Is it going to hurt Democrats to have to go 406 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: back to their constituents and said, hey, we said that 407 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: we were going to try and get you this, but 408 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. Sorry. Well, Um, first, I think we've 409 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: done an incredible amount um with infrastructure legislation, that Chips 410 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: and Science Act that just passed, obviously lead this bill, 411 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act. Um. These have been historic pieces 412 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: of legislation and incredible accomplishment, especially in a divided Congress 413 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: and with small majorities. The President and Congress have accomplished 414 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: a lot um. I'm going to continue to pass, to 415 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: work hard to pass um legislation like the expanded child 416 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: tax credit. This is still an important priority of mind, 417 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: an important priority for new Dems, UM and members of 418 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: Congress on both sides of the aisle. So we may 419 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,239 Speaker 1: not have everything in this particular bill, but we have 420 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: huge winds and wins for our communities, and we'll keep 421 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: working on the next piece of legislation. To be clear, 422 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: no one really thought that, um. You know, most folks 423 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: weren't assuming we'd get a reconciliation bill done, and and 424 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: we're getting that done. So we'll keep working on other issues. 425 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: Going forward. UM, this isn't the last bill we're gonna do. 426 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: Speaking of other issues going forward, there was initially some 427 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: discussion about whether a package of public safety bills was 428 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: going to be voted on by the House. This include 429 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: several bills that would help send funding to police departments 430 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: in sort of smaller cities of rural areas. And I 431 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: know that it was something that a lot of Democrats 432 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: wanted to move so they could go home and tell 433 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: their constituents, Hey, I am supporting the police. Look at 434 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: this thing I just did. Does this make it a 435 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: little bit harder for Democrats to not have a vote 436 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: on that package of bills tomorrow. UM, we're continuing to 437 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: work on that legislation. On last month, leaders of the 438 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: new Democrat Coalition, UM, we endorsed the slate of seven 439 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: bills that would help prevent crime and protect our communities 440 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: and invest key resources and reforms UM in support and 441 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: and helping our communities and law enforcement. UM. So we're 442 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: going to continue to work on These bills are really 443 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: in line with President Biden's Safer America Plan which he 444 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: released at the end of last month. So there's ongoing 445 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: work there. UM. And you know, normally we wouldn't be 446 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: in session right now, so this is an opportunity. You know, 447 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: we'll have an opportunity to um move legislation in September. Well, 448 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: how important are these bills to actually get done? I mean, 449 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: how much of an issue do you think crime is 450 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: going to be when it comes to the November election. Well, um, 451 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, we have continued to make investments in our communities, 452 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: so this would be additional work on top of that. 453 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: You know, House Democrats have already acted on in the 454 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: American Rescue Plan. We had more than ten billion dollars 455 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: to help local communities higher police and keep him on 456 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 1: the job. Um. We had we we secured more than 457 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: a hundred million and community project funding for public safety agencies. Um. 458 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: We passed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act to take action 459 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: to prevent gun violence. So we've done a lot and 460 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: there's more that we can continue to do. And those 461 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: talks are taken place so we can move forward on 462 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: the other piece of legislations that have been proposed. Definitely 463 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: be keeping an eye on those come September. Carson del 464 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: Bennet also wanted to ask uh you a little bit 465 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: about the trip that you took recently with how Speaker 466 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi. You were a part of a small group 467 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: that accompanied her on her trip to Asia, including that 468 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: really historical stop in Taiwan. Can you just sort of 469 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: discuss a little bit what that was like to land 470 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: there with the Speaker and to be speaking with the officials, 471 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: as there were lots of concerns about how China would 472 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: respond well. This trip really underscored UM America's commitment to 473 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: building stronger economic security and democratic ties with the Indo 474 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: Pacific region. UM. We had planned to do this trip earlier, 475 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: and the Speaker had gotten covid um in April, so 476 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: we UM postponed it and we're able to do the 477 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: trip now. The Taiwan part of the trip really showed 478 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: that the U s stands with the people of Taiwan. 479 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: I was there as the vice chair of the Ways 480 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: and Means Committee. We have jurisdiction over trade policy in 481 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: the House and UM. All these countries are important economic 482 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: partners to our communities and to the United States, and 483 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: so UM it was an important trip. When we landed, 484 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: there were thousands of people on the tree in the 485 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: streets greeting us, even though it was about midnight. UM. 486 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: People were very excited that we made the trip and 487 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: UM that we came to meet. UM. It was an 488 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: important sign of support for the people of Taiwan certainly, 489 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: and I know that Speaker Pelosi has talked about why 490 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: this was needed right now at the same point, I 491 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: know you know, this was a trip that was coming 492 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: at a very sensitive time in the relationship between the 493 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: US and China. And today, Thalmerce Secretary Gina Romundo, she 494 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: came on Bloomberg TV and told Dave with Weston that 495 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: Pelosi's trip to Taiwan, your trip as well, has made 496 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: geopolitics with China particularly complicated. A lot was a risk 497 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: with this trip. What was gained well, first of all, UM, 498 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: China can't tell members of Congress where we can travel. UM. 499 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: They have you know, I think if their job, if 500 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: their goal is to change the status quo in Taiwan, 501 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: that goes directly against UM what the United States c 502 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: and for. We stand with the people of Taiwan, and 503 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: we stand for the status quo which allows us to 504 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: UM continue to to meet and work with Taiwan and 505 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: their vibrant democracy. UM, and they are economic partners for us. 506 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: We just passed the Chips and Science legislation. And clearly 507 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: Taiwan UM businesses have been leaders in manufacture of semiconductors. So, UM, 508 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: we're going to continue to work with Taiwan. We are 509 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: not going to allow China to decide who gets to 510 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: to travel there, who doesn't get to travel there. Um. 511 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: They may want to change the status quo, we want 512 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: to keep it the way it is and continue to 513 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: support the people of Taiwan. And UM and so I 514 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: think it was an important trip and an important UM 515 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: part of showing our support for the people of Taiwan. 516 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: I also want to ask you a little bit about 517 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: the mid terms now Washington State. Uh, they had their 518 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: elections two weeks ago on August two. UM. And I 519 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: know that obviously you're a Democrat. You're working to make 520 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: sure that Democrats win in November. But I wanted to 521 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: ask you a little bit about some of the Republicans 522 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: who have lost or are in danger of losing, because 523 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: I know that you you like to work across the 524 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: island a bipartisan manner. Um. You like to try and 525 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: find Republicans who are willing to work with Democrats. Your 526 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: fellow Washington State lawmaker Jamie Harry Butler lost her primary 527 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: to uh. Well, obviously Washington's got a special system, but 528 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: she didn't make the top two spots someone who was 529 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: endorsed by Trump. Did. You also saw Peter Meyer in Michigan. 530 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: I'll lose his primary, and next week you have Liz 531 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: Cheney and I think a pole came out today that 532 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: showed her about thirty points behind. Are you concerned about 533 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: the fact that some of these Republicans who have been 534 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: willing to stand up to Trump, willing to vote for 535 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: his impeachment, are now going to be leading Congress next year? Well, 536 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: we have a strong Democrats running. I know, I'm Washington State. 537 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: We have Marie Perez Um running in the third congressional district, 538 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: which is the seat that Jamie Horr Butler has held. Um. 539 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: I think we have a great opportunity there. So it's 540 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: important these are This election is incredibly important. It's about 541 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: the long term direction of our country, supporting our democracy, 542 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: supporting voting rights, supporting women's reproductive rights, making sure we 543 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: are showing how governance can work. UM, work that we've 544 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: been doing right now with the legislation we've passed so UM, 545 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep making sure we make that case to 546 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: the voters across the country. And these districts are not 547 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: districts that have been represented by UM Trump Republicans UM, 548 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: and I think they don't want to be represented by 549 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: Republicans who are far to the right and aren't standing 550 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: up for our democracy. So we will make that case. 551 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: And we have strong candidates in these races, and I 552 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: think we have a great opportunity there, So you're not 553 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: worried at all that some of these strong Republicans, strong 554 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: Trump Republican candidates are going to win in November. I 555 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: think Americans want common sense leaders who are working on 556 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: kitchen table issues. That's what New Dems are doing, That's 557 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: what our candidates are fighting for, and that's the case 558 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: we need to make to the American people UM so 559 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: that they were getting out that vote and that will 560 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: help us maintain the majority. Congressman Congressman Susan delban A, 561 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: chair of the new New UM Coalition, thank you so 562 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: much for taking the time and being on with us today. 563 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: Really a pleasure chatting with you. Absolutely take care, Thank 564 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: you so much. Well, with that, we are going to 565 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: go ahead and reassemble the panel with Jennie Sheen and 566 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: Zano and Rick Davis. Uh, guys, I kind of want 567 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: to jump right back on to the big vote tomorrow 568 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: coming on Biden's policy package. Is it going to be 569 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: a problem, Genie that Democrats touted so many things like 570 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: pre kindergarten, like the child tax credit and down they're 571 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: not getting it done. I don't think so. And I 572 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: think you know what the congresswoman just spoke about is 573 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: really important. Democrats are showing that they can make Washington work, 574 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: and this is something I think you know, you and 575 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: I have talked about this, Emily. I have been a skeptic. 576 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: So the idea that they are passing this bill, it's 577 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: certainly not as big as the Democrats wanted initially, but 578 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: you know what, when these elections are fought out in 579 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: purple states, they're getting really popular policies passed, including critical 580 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: issues of climate and health. And they are also getting 581 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: a lot of other bills done, the Packed Act, the 582 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: Chips Act that you were just talking about. So they 583 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: have made Washington work, and I think in purple districts, 584 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: the fact that they are doing it and it's not 585 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: as big as they initially wanted is actually a selling point. 586 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: And if they talk about those kitchen table issues from 587 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: climate but importantly healthcare, that's going to be a boon 588 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: for them in these mid terms. They're not going to 589 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: take the House, but they're not going to do nearly 590 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: as badly as some some of us may have predicted 591 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: six months ago. You know, I was talking with actually 592 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: someone today about this vote, and they told me that 593 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: they think it's actually going to be a little bit boring, 594 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: which is kind of wild given how much hype there 595 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: was around the Senate vote, given how long we've been 596 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: talking about Democrats trying to get something done with reconciliation, Rick, 597 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: what are you going to be watching for with this 598 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: vote tomorrow? What can it actually tell us about how 599 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: Congress is currently working? You know, I don't think we're 600 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: gonna see like Republicans getting in there and taking credit 601 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: for having passed it, you know, so it'll be a 602 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: party line vote likely, And and I think that the 603 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: Democrats have a tendency to talk about the things is 604 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: genius thing that aren't in the bill, and what they 605 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: ought to really be doing is taking credit for doing 606 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: something that's relatively important here. Uh, it's a huge package, 607 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: and and even yesterday. I mean, you know, Schumer's comments were, well, 608 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: I still want to go back and get that thirty 609 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: five dollar cap on insulin. I mean, like, you just 610 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: passed the eight hundred billion dollar bill and you're talking 611 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: about the one thing you didn't get done. So like, 612 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: I think they need to focus running out of time. 613 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: Elections are only a couple of months away, and they 614 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: have a lot to talk about. They've had an amazing 615 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: legislative agenda and this is the capstone of it. And 616 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: if they spend all their time talking about in Congress 617 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,479 Speaker 1: movement del Benny did a little of this, the other 618 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: things they want to do. The plate is full, go 619 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: out to dinner, enjoy yourself. This is something you can 620 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: take home to your constituents and really get get excited about. 621 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: But if they don't pay attention to their accomplishments, nobody 622 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: else will either. It's so true, Rick, I mean, we 623 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of time left in terms of 624 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: legislative days Congress. They're not going to be in the 625 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: rest of August, they're not going to be in October. 626 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: They really I mean the House in particular, the one 627 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: that that's really in danger of flipping They've just got September, 628 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: and they still have to pass a lot of other 629 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: pieces of bills during that time, including legislation to fund 630 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: the government. Jennie, you noted you're you're still skeptical that 631 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: that Democrats have any hope of holding the House even 632 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: if they pass this legislation. So is passing this bill 633 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: going to do anything? How does it move the needle? 634 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: You know, I am a skeptic that they will take 635 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: the House, although I will tell you I I was 636 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: just listening to somebody like James Carville, for instance, who 637 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: is saying, you know, all these Democrats who are saying 638 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: it's hopeless, there's still a shot. Now. I don't know 639 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: if he's just saying that to spark people to the polls. 640 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: But you know, I am still skeptic. But I do 641 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: think this bill is critically important. If you just look 642 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: at what they're talking about, the reduction of emissions close 643 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: to what the President wanted by you know, the ability 644 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: to cap out of pocket prescription drugs, medicare negotiating drug prices, 645 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: the corporate minimum tax. Those are big, big deals, and 646 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: so I do think it moves the needle. And again 647 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: I agree with Rick they've got to focus on what 648 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: people care about. The President has to focus on inflation. 649 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: The gas numbers are good for him. He's got to 650 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: keep focusing on it. And Democrats have to go home 651 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 1: and sell what they've done, which is shocking too many 652 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: of us. They've made Washington work and that should be 653 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: their message. And they should also say, look at the 654 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: extreme as the Republicans are putting that are winning these 655 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: these primaries, Let's not go back to crazy town. Let's 656 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: keep the normalcy that we have. That's their shot, and 657 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: it's a long shot, but it's something they can run on. 658 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: I mean, Genie, how key is it for them to 659 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: sure that they've got their messaging down on this? I'm thinking, 660 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: particularly because a lot of these provisions are not going 661 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: to go into effect for a while. It's not like, 662 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna wake up the day after this 663 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: has passed and suddenly prescription drug prices are lower. How 664 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: how do Democrats really make sure that everyone knows what 665 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: they're doing in d C. Yeah, that that's always the difficulty, 666 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: because these will wave in slowly, certainly not what eighty 667 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 1: nine days to the mid terms. We're not going to 668 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: see them wave in before then, but I think they've 669 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: got to be clear on what they've done and the 670 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: fact that they shocked all of us, including everybody in 671 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: the press, that they were able to do this and 672 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: it was things. These are things that are incredibly popular 673 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: two people across the board, not just two Democrats. So 674 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: if they can stick with that message of making Washington 675 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: work and living up to their promises, it's a good 676 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: day for the Democrats. And then otherwise what it seemed 677 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: to be a fairly bleak mid term year for them. 678 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: So we've talked a little bit about the House, We've 679 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about the mid terms, We've talked 680 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: a little bit about Trump. Let's bring them all together here. 681 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: Congresswomen Liz Cheney the most interesting House primary of this 682 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: entire election cycle, maybe even like the most interesting primary. 683 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: That said, it's not even going to be close. She's 684 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: very far behind in the polls right now, but she 685 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: is out with a new ad making her final pitch 686 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: to voters, and we've got a clip of it here. 687 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: America cannot remain free if we abandon the truth. The 688 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: lie that the presidential election was stolen is insidious. It 689 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: prays on those who love their country. It is a 690 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: door Donald Trump opened to manipulate Americans to abandon their principles. 691 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: Rick Dennie, I know that that all three of us 692 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: have watched a ton of political ads. This does not 693 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: sound like almost any other political ad that I've heard of. 694 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: It's devoid of issues, it's avoid of what she's done. 695 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: It is really kind of just focused on this one point, Rick, 696 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: what is Liz trying to do here? Well, I think 697 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: you've hit on the key thing, Emily, and that is 698 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: that she has not been running for re election since 699 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 1: Donald Trump endorsed Harriet Hageman. She's been running to take 700 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: down Donald Trump. Her campaign is not about what she's 701 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: going to accomplish for the state or the people of 702 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: of Wyoming. It's about what she's trying to do to 703 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: keep Donald Trump from ever becoming president of the United 704 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: States again. And her closing argument hits that exactly where 705 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: she needed to be. So, you know, as we look 706 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: back in time, we're not gonna see anybody doing analysis 707 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: of her campaign and say, well, she missed this opportunity 708 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: to talk about this issue in her home state. She's 709 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: making a calculation that the only thing I want to 710 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: accomplish in my career is to ensure that Donald Trump 711 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: is not president, and I don't think her being a 712 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: representative changes any of that. In other words, she'll sit 713 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: out her term, She'll continue to be co chair of 714 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: the January six Commission, and then her new mission uh 715 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: post of Congress is going to be to ensure that 716 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump never occupies the Oval office again. Rick, do 717 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,959 Speaker 1: you have any sense to how that would actually look, 718 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: because there are certainly plenty of people who are trying 719 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: to make it their mission to ensure that that Trump 720 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: never holds office again. What what does Cheney have that 721 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: would actually make that possible? Well, to some degree, Trump 722 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: has created a bit of a martyrdom for Cheney. You know, 723 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: he's made it his cost celebt to ensure that she 724 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: doesn't get reelected, and and that has actually annured some 725 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: benefit to her and that she has been elevated in 726 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: that debate. So maybe she takes that debate all the 727 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: way to the presidential campaign if Donald Trump runs for office, 728 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: maybe she does too. She certainly has a national following 729 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: that could help sustain the funding for a campaign like that, 730 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: and I think they would probably be able to sell 731 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: pay per view tickets if she could ever get on 732 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: a debate stage with Donald Trump. Jennie, what do you 733 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: think about Liz Cheney trying to make this a bigger thing? 734 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: Is this something where she's going to wind up getting 735 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: support not only from Republican but from Democrats. I think 736 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,439 Speaker 1: she will. I think the challenges there's not enough Democrats 737 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: to pull her over to a winning side. But you know, 738 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: she is playing the long game here. She is decided, 739 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: and she did this a long time ago that, unlike 740 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: so many Republicans in the House, her interest is not 741 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: necessarily in winning, although I'm sure she would like to 742 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: retain her seat. It is in doing what she describes 743 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: as right, and that is facing off with Donald Trump 744 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: and saying what you tried to do vis a vis 745 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: the build up to January six and after it is unconscionable, 746 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: and as a Republican, she's not going to put up 747 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: with it. And that's a very hard stand for her 748 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: to make. We saw a loser leadership post will likely 749 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: lose her house. See if you listen to the latest 750 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: Pole polls, she's twenty two points behind Um. But she's decided, 751 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: She's playing the long game, and you know, I reflect 752 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: back on her speech not that long ago at the 753 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: Reagan Library, and it sounded to me like she was 754 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: very much a candidate for the presidency or thinking about it. 755 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: Can she win as another question, but I think we're 756 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,919 Speaker 1: hearing some of those tones and what she has to say. 757 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: And you know, this ad, along with the ad by 758 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: her father not that long ago, they've been you know, 759 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: critically important in terms of making that case. You know, 760 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 1: we the Jenney primary is going to be very very interesting, 761 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: but we do have another race that's a lot of 762 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: people are going to be watching on and that is 763 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: the one up in Alaska. Um, it's the field has 764 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: now gone down to three candidates, one of which is uh, 765 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: Sarah Palin uh Rick Davis. What's your takeaway from this? 766 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: What does it mean that you know, Sarah Palin was 767 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: able to advance, uh to sort of this final round 768 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: And what kind of momentum is she caring right now? Yeah, 769 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 1: this is such a screwy election in in Alaska. It's 770 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,919 Speaker 1: the final round for the special election and then she'll 771 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: be a part of a package of another forty candidates 772 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: running for the end of the election term. So uh, 773 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: this is the first go around. This is actually definitive. 774 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: If she wins this election next week, she would she 775 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: would become a congresswoman. And uh for all of you know, 776 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: two months. So uh, it's it's got some bite to it. Uh. 777 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: And and look, I mean, she was first in the polling. 778 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: But the question is, did everybody who ever wanted to 779 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: vote for her for this race already cast their ballot? 780 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: In other words, is there enough opposition to rally around 781 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: the other candidates to uh, to get ahead of her? 782 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 1: And my guess is they've consulted the field. She's in 783 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,760 Speaker 1: for a run. But I never count out Sarah Palin 784 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 1: in Alaska. Do not count out Congresswoman Sarah Palin. Rick, Genie, 785 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking your time today to chat. Uh. 786 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: We'll have another episode here tomorrow. In the meantime, if 787 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: you want to re listen, we've got the sound on podcast. 788 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm Emilie Wilkins. This is Bloomberg