WEBVTT - Episode 04: Lucky Space Rock

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. Cattle mutilations tend to

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<v Speaker 1>surface the same way every time, not as breaking news,

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<v Speaker 1>but as a phone call from someone who knows their

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<v Speaker 1>land and knows when something off. An animal found dead,

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<v Speaker 1>certain body parts missing, no blood when there should be blood,

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<v Speaker 1>no tire tracks, no sign of anything. We're up in

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<v Speaker 1>eastern Oregon, and this is Colby Marshall, a rancher who

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<v Speaker 1>did not go looking for this story, but ended up

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<v Speaker 1>inside it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to High Strange, exact same mutilation. I took some photos,

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<v Speaker 2>documented what I could. We noticed that there was no tracks,

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<v Speaker 2>There was no struggle marks, there was no tire tracks,

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<v Speaker 2>there was nothing. I went back to the ranch, called

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<v Speaker 2>the sheriff's office, and we got in touch with the

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<v Speaker 2>state Police, notified the for service what we had found.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're dealing with thousands of livestock, it's not uncommon

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<v Speaker 2>to find something that has passed away or there's been

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<v Speaker 2>an injury, and so we were very familiar. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the first things that I noticed the cuts on the animal.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing makes sense about it. They were all very precise,

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<v Speaker 2>like they had been done by a scalpel. Doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>any sense. A lot of times when you see an

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<v Speaker 2>animal that is harvested in the wild and somebody is

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<v Speaker 2>using a blade or they're using a saw to work

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<v Speaker 2>down through the animal, the cuts can be more jagged.

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<v Speaker 2>But this was done with a extremely sharp scalpel, or

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<v Speaker 2>it was done with maybe even some sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>laser cutting tool.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so precise.

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<v Speaker 2>Bulls, cows, even you and I, we have an abdominal cavity.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a layer of very very fine layer inside

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<v Speaker 2>underneath our skin that holds our guts. In that layer,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very very thin, that was not nicked.

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<v Speaker 3>It was not cut open.

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<v Speaker 2>The hide was cut and then perfectly removed without nicking

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<v Speaker 2>or cutting that layer. They just absolutely cut that away

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<v Speaker 2>without nicking it. That is precise, and they did it

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<v Speaker 2>on every single one of those animals. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>whoever's doing this understands anatomy very well, at least on livestock.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean surgical precision. I've spent my whole entire life

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<v Speaker 2>around livestock, cattle, sheep, goats, you name it, and at

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<v Speaker 2>no point in my life have I ever experienced anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 4>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It just it makes the hair on the back of

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<v Speaker 2>your neck stand up. You start thinking, Okay, how could

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<v Speaker 2>this happen? Who would want to do this, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>reason behind it, Why is it being done, what's the purpose?

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<v Speaker 1>These are expensive, high value animals. Their tongues were removed,

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<v Speaker 1>reproductive organs missing, and not a single drop of blood

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<v Speaker 1>in the soil.

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<v Speaker 2>We put out a twenty five thousand dollar reward for

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<v Speaker 2>information that would lead to an arrest or a conviction,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was no leads.

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<v Speaker 5>In this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single one of these mutilated bulls literally melted into

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<v Speaker 2>the ground. Their hides were there months, if not a

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<v Speaker 2>year afterward. If you could go right to the site,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see exactly where the animal was laying. I

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<v Speaker 2>will never look at a livestock death the same. Ever again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think about it all the time, and once you

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<v Speaker 2>hear this story, you will also think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing around the bodies suggests that there was a struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no tire marks, no tracks, no drag marks.

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<v Speaker 1>Ranchers live with death. They know what predators do. They

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<v Speaker 1>know what scavengers leave behind.

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<v Speaker 2>The CIA operative he'd been around a lot of dead

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<v Speaker 2>bodies a.

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<v Speaker 1>Few years ago. Someone in the CIA reached out to

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<v Speaker 1>Kolby directly.

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<v Speaker 2>Key and I got talking about it, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Colby goes, especially during the Afghanistan war and

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<v Speaker 2>seeing some just horrific things out there. There's no blood

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<v Speaker 2>in the carcasses. And I thought yeah, And he said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's no blood in the carcass, it may not

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<v Speaker 2>have the same smell as decomposing bodies do. Given that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of credibility, because the only thing that makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense to me is why they scavengers wouldn't just come

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<v Speaker 2>after those animals laying out there, is because they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>smell the same. I appreciate the interest in it because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that there's enough acknowledgment of this and

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<v Speaker 2>enough people.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's people that.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to talk about it because they see it

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<v Speaker 2>as something that is taboo. I think it's important these discussions,

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<v Speaker 2>and these conversations are so important to get the word

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<v Speaker 2>out so that people feel free to express their opinion

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<v Speaker 2>or look into a close so that at some point

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<v Speaker 2>in time we can find out why it's being done.

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<v Speaker 2>And once we know the why, I think all the

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<v Speaker 2>other pieces will come into play. But until we know

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<v Speaker 2>the why, I think we'll ever figure this out, and

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<v Speaker 2>it will go on as the longest unsolved murder mystery

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<v Speaker 2>in the history of the world. I don't think we're

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<v Speaker 2>alone in the universe. I think the big universe is

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<v Speaker 2>too big and too massive, and I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be ridiculous to think that we're all by ourselves out here.

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<v Speaker 2>I've thought a lot about whether or not an alien

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<v Speaker 2>culture from outer space would come to do this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, and the way I look at it, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm naive about this. If you're using that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of technology and you can travel across the universe and

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<v Speaker 2>cover the distances that are out there, why would you

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<v Speaker 2>use that technology to harvest reproductive organs off.

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<v Speaker 3>Of range bowls in eastern Oregon?

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<v Speaker 2>And I've went so far on this, well, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're coming from a billion miles away across outer

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<v Speaker 2>space to sample eastern Oregon beef, we must be doing

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<v Speaker 2>something right. I would tell people that I thought that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it must be a testament to the beef

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<v Speaker 2>we're producing, if that's the best beef in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>I also am not naive to think there isn't some

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<v Speaker 2>other life in the universe and they might have some

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<v Speaker 2>interest in it for a variety of different reasons. Personally,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is a group. I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>a cult group that is home base right here on

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<v Speaker 2>planet Earth, which goes to the main question of you

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<v Speaker 2>know why. I've also had people ask me do I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's government? Do I think there is a government

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<v Speaker 2>entity out there that is doing this?

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<v Speaker 3>If the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Wanted to do something like this, why wouldn't they just

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<v Speaker 2>do these activities, you know on these big land bases

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<v Speaker 2>that they have places all over the United States that

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<v Speaker 2>they have isolated that they can control every aspect of

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<v Speaker 2>the environment, So why would.

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<v Speaker 5>You run the risk?

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<v Speaker 1>This series is not about jumping to conclusions. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>documenting patterns that refuse to disappear. Cattle mutilations are one

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<v Speaker 1>of those patterns. They're decades old, global and still to

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<v Speaker 1>this day completely unresolved.

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<v Speaker 6>My name is share my Homes. I am currently the

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<v Speaker 6>sheriff of the Kenny. I moved out here to Cowboy.

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<v Speaker 6>Moved out here to work on ranges by a cowboy

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<v Speaker 6>for about five years Ardriage, south central part of Organ.

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<v Speaker 6>That was my first experience of mutilations. I remember going

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<v Speaker 6>out with the boss at the time and looking at it.

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<v Speaker 6>Blake had been removed, the heart had been removed, the

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<v Speaker 6>reproductive organs had been removed, the tongue cheek. For me,

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<v Speaker 6>I have for the most part ruled out predators. I've

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<v Speaker 6>seen firsthand what a cougar can do, and I've seen

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<v Speaker 6>firsthand what a bear can do. I've seen firsthand what

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<v Speaker 6>wolves will do and kitles will do.

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<v Speaker 1>None of this adds up to that.

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<v Speaker 6>When I first saw the first one, an alien thing

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<v Speaker 6>came up. I said no very quickly. But at that

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<v Speaker 6>point in time my thought process I was younger, but

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<v Speaker 6>my thoughts as goes back to the little green men.

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<v Speaker 1>We see on TV screens when we're a little right.

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<v Speaker 6>Do I believe in that? I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 6>necessarily believe in that there's a lot of unexplained things

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<v Speaker 6>that happen across the world. Keeping an open mind and

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<v Speaker 6>following the facts where they are, I'm open to wherever

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<v Speaker 6>they might lead.

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<v Speaker 1>Too physical to be dismissed as imagination and too weird

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<v Speaker 1>to find a reasonable explanation. While some ranchers are dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with unexplained violence on the ground, other people in other

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the world have been staring at something just

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<v Speaker 1>as strange from above, and they've been arguing about it

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<v Speaker 1>for years, crop circles. The thing is, crop circles didn't

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<v Speaker 1>start as a joke. They didn't start on the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>They started quietly.

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<v Speaker 4>I got pulled in, I think like a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people did in the late eighties when the sort of

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<v Speaker 4>the newspaper started running a lot of stories huge formations

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<v Speaker 4>that were appearing in Welshire. So I started heading down

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<v Speaker 4>their late eighties early nineties. I kind of went in

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<v Speaker 4>there thinking, oh, there must be something paranormal involved yet,

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<v Speaker 4>because these things are huge for me personally. Everything changed

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<v Speaker 4>when I went out made my first circle with a

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<v Speaker 4>team of established human circle makers. You can see this

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<v Speaker 4>isn't as hard as you're led to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen seventies and early eighties, farmers again

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<v Speaker 1>waking up to find large geometric patterns pressed into their

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<v Speaker 1>fields overnight.

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<v Speaker 4>Providing you've got a fairly good understanding of geometry, and

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<v Speaker 4>providing you've got enough manpower and enough darkness, you can

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<v Speaker 4>make quite a convincing crop circle. But then it becomes

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<v Speaker 4>a lot more interesting because when people go out to

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<v Speaker 4>these circles and make them, they start having a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of weird experiences. People who go to these circles after

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<v Speaker 4>they've been made have weird experiences. Well, it's not aliens,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's definitely humans, but there's something weird in the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>Are we creating some sort of magical midpoints here where

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<v Speaker 4>weird stuff does happen? And if you step away from

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<v Speaker 4>that argument of oh it's aliens, oh it's humans, the

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<v Speaker 4>story becomes a bit more interesting. In my mind, at least,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone sort of goes into overdrive trying to back track

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<v Speaker 4>real world events and link them. No one will believe

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<v Speaker 4>you that you made that crop circle. That first circle

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<v Speaker 4>really sort of highlighted to me that people will bend

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<v Speaker 4>wherever they want onto that formation, onto that design, and

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<v Speaker 4>make it into something that makes sense to them. It's

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<v Speaker 4>almost like a co creation. Unwittingly, you make something and

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<v Speaker 4>somebody builds a home mythology around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Crop circles sit in a strange place. They've been treated

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<v Speaker 1>as either evidence of something extraordinary or it's proof that

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<v Speaker 1>people will believe anything as long as it looks mysterious enough,

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<v Speaker 1>And like most things in this world, the truth doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>land cleanly on either side. You have some people who

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<v Speaker 1>openly claim they've made these things themselves, and as weird

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<v Speaker 1>as that sounds, there also isn't much physical evidence proving

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<v Speaker 1>that either maybe there are multiple truths here, maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything in this topic is neatly squared away. Real or

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<v Speaker 1>fake doesn't always cover it. And it gets even stranger

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear that people report unexplained experiences at crop

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<v Speaker 1>circle sites that are supposedly man made physical sensations, equipment,

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<v Speaker 1>acting weird emotional reactions they can't explain. At a certain point,

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<v Speaker 1>the question stops being whether crop circles are real or fake.

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<v Speaker 1>It becomes something more interesting. What are the experiences of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who come in contact with them actually telling us?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I love the story you're about to hear,

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<v Speaker 1>not because it proves that crop circles are alien messages,

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<v Speaker 1>but because it captures something honest and it turns into

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<v Speaker 1>a full blown adventure. I met this guy the way

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<v Speaker 1>you meet a lot of interesting people in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>by accident at a hotel lobby bar during a UFO conference.

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<v Speaker 1>He sat down next to me and without much context

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<v Speaker 1>at all, placed a small, shiny, metallic rock on the

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<v Speaker 1>bar between us. He told me he believed it came

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<v Speaker 1>from somewhere else, maybe another planet. Maybe it was debris

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<v Speaker 1>from something that didn't belong here. He said he had

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<v Speaker 1>it tested and that no lab could tell him what

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<v Speaker 1>it was. I'll be honest, this space rock did look strange,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also don't know shit about rocks. What I

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<v Speaker 1>did know was how seriously he took it, and how

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<v Speaker 1>excited he was about the whole damn thing, enough that

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<v Speaker 1>it made me excited too. He called it his lucky

0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.000
<v Speaker 1>space rock, and that it had stories of its own.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is a Line, and earlier this year he

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<v Speaker 1>flew halfway across the world chasing an idea he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even fully leaven. He had forty eight hours in the

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<v Speaker 1>UK to try and find an actual crop circle, and

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<v Speaker 1>his plan was to use his lucky space rock as

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<v Speaker 1>his guide.

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<v Speaker 3>I bought one way ticket to Israel through London. In London,

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<v Speaker 3>I had only two days. So when I landed in

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<v Speaker 3>England Land in the UK, I rented a car, got

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<v Speaker 3>to the Crop Circle Center that's right her first I

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<v Speaker 3>go in and I meet that woman who works there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's her life. She has a museum there, she has

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<v Speaker 3>this website. When people find a crop circle they let

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<v Speaker 3>her know. She puts it up online. I said, my

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<v Speaker 3>little there's nothing new, but there's an old one from

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<v Speaker 3>like a month ago that you can go and check out.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was like, okay, cool, I'll do that. I

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<v Speaker 3>drive there, I knock on the door. This woman opens up. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>can I help you? Like crop circle? She goes, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, not again. She goes, stop, just stop, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a hoax. There's no crop circles. You all keep coming

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<v Speaker 3>here for this. It's not real. I'm sorry that you

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<v Speaker 3>had to come all this way, but I'm sorry. I

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<v Speaker 3>drive back back to my Airbnb and I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like baffled and literally, did I know all the country

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<v Speaker 3>road in England are tiny and very narrow? And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>also driving on the left side. It's fucking weird driving

0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.800
<v Speaker 3>this huge car. This card come in front of me Africa,

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<v Speaker 3>and I moved to the left and I hit the curve.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit the curve and get the flat to attire. So

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<v Speaker 3>I stopped at the flat tire shop and the guy's like, uh, here,

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<v Speaker 3>let me put the spur for you. Come back tomorrow.

0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.920
<v Speaker 3>I'll fix it. I go back to my band. He

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<v Speaker 3>kind of bummed, and the landlady tells me, well, you

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<v Speaker 3>know you should go to Avery Rock Circle.

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<v Speaker 5>What.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everybody knows about Stonehenge, but there's also Avery Rock Circle.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in this village. It's freaking gold there. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like, okay, there's not completely lost. I'll go there.

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<v Speaker 3>So I took my rock. I went to that place

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<v Speaker 3>and it's amazing. It's incredible, these megalithic rocks just in

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<v Speaker 3>this huge circle around the village. My mood got better,

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:55.000
<v Speaker 3>and then I got inspired. I took my rock and meditated,

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<v Speaker 3>put my iPhone in front of me and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>come on, is let's fucking go. I'm here for Walmart Day.

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<v Speaker 3>Give me a crop circle tomorrow to check out. That's

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<v Speaker 3>literally what I.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, so, what are you trying to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly simon a crop circle.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to manifest a cross into existence.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's kind of laughing at myself. I was

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<v Speaker 3>aware that he's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>So what day was this?

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<v Speaker 3>That was July eleventh? I can you want to play it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll play it. That's my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>A lawn ends up in a garden, no crowd, no spectacle,

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<v Speaker 1>just him holding his lucky space rock, eyes closed, breathing,

0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.480
<v Speaker 1>slowly doing exactly what he came there to do. He

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<v Speaker 1>recorded himself on his phone the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to sleep. I wake up in the morning

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<v Speaker 3>and I was following the crop circle report and there

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<v Speaker 3>was nothing. There's no crop circle, And I'm like, the

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<v Speaker 3>fuck is the strip is not going very well that

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<v Speaker 3>night from flying out to Israel. So I have like

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<v Speaker 3>ay and a little bit of the night and then

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<v Speaker 3>I'm done. I didn't really think something's gonna happen. I hoped,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, find adventure, no matter what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>When his whole story starts to sound like some Steven

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<v Speaker 1>Spielberg adventure.

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<v Speaker 3>Stop at the tire shop and the guy tells me

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<v Speaker 3>he can't fix my tire, and he's like three hundred

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<v Speaker 3>pounds to get a new one. This is a rental.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not funny doing that, So just put it in

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<v Speaker 3>the back and I'll use my spare. It's a tiny spare.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna drive on that. Then literally, I get

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<v Speaker 3>a download from the universe. Go to the Crop Circle Center. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you mean a download from universe intuition? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how to call it. You're just like, all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, you know, it's not a voice, physical voice,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's almost like it, but very very very clear.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to go to the Crop Circle Center. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I drive back to the Crop Circle Center.

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<v Speaker 1>I go in.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, hey, how's it going. All of a sudden,

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 3>she gets a text message and she's like, a crop

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<v Speaker 3>circle just popped up, the coordinates, pictures, videos of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, what the fuck? Okay, how do I

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 3>get there? The way that report comes? They have pictures,

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<v Speaker 3>a video, and a map with coordinates. But it's not

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<v Speaker 3>like a Google map. It's not a location you can

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:44.240
<v Speaker 3>just put on your GPS and then go there and

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.159
<v Speaker 3>you'll find it. Here's a picture of the area, the

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<v Speaker 3>arrow the points where the crop circle should be so

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<v Speaker 3>I get in the car, I start driving. I'm playing music. Bro,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm high as fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a crop circle.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just so happy. So it's an hour drive, very

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<v Speaker 3>country like. I'm in the middle of nowhere. There's no houses,

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<v Speaker 3>no nothing, very small roads. I'm fifteen minutes in. I

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<v Speaker 3>hear puff, my spare explodes. You get another flat. The

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 3>car stops. Now in the middle of fucking nowhere. I

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 3>don't even know the spare. I'm stuck. I'm fucked. I

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<v Speaker 3>might miss my flight. I was devastated. You come all

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<v Speaker 3>the way here to fucking England. Give me a cross circle,

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<v Speaker 3>then I ask you for and then ten minutes before

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<v Speaker 3>I get you, you're gonna fuck me like that, kidding me.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, it's all bullshit. There's no aliens, it's all bullshit.

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<v Speaker 3>This whole thing was a fucking mistake. My whole obsession

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<v Speaker 3>with this is a mistake. All this lost moments epically,

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<v Speaker 3>and I called my fiance and she's not, Babe, listen

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<v Speaker 3>to me, you've got this. I'm like, I do.

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<v Speaker 5>You do?

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<v Speaker 3>Look around? Is there anybody there? Mind you? There's no

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<v Speaker 3>houses anywhere, there's not a neighborhood. It's not a street

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:29.919
<v Speaker 3>and I realized there was a fence right next to me,

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<v Speaker 3>like a picket fence. And I go on my tippy

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<v Speaker 3>toe and I look about the fence and throwing up

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<v Speaker 3>this house. There's a house. There's two cars, the only house.

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<v Speaker 3>Go and knock on their door. Nice gentlemen opens the door.

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<v Speaker 3>There was super nice. It took us like probably an

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<v Speaker 3>hour and a half figure out this local towing company

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 3>and they said, yeah, we'll come get your car and

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 3>we'll take you to the airport. Great when eleven pm.

0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.120
<v Speaker 3>So she hangs up the phone like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you so much. And then she looks at me

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<v Speaker 3>and she goes, okay, shall we go find your crop circle?

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Are you serious? But we live there our whole lives.

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.120
<v Speaker 3>You've never seen one. You're saying, it's right here, let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>Not always lost Yet. We get into their car. She's driving.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sitting next to her husband behind me with the

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 3>map that I gave him, and he's navigating old country roads,

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 3>third roads. Get to this place. We thought that looks

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<v Speaker 3>like the pictures. We recognize the trees. We climb up.

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 3>I bought a drone for that trip, so I was like, okay,

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I have a drone, I'll send it up there in

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 3>three sixty overview and see what I see. So I

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.680
<v Speaker 3>get the drone up and at the end of that

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 3>three sixty the crop circles get into my frame.

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<v Speaker 5>That Oh my god, look at it.

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<v Speaker 3>I kept lippening to me. I feel like the flow

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 3>of the universe Amian's God.

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 5>Or one with me.

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Against his own expectations, the universe plays along. Maybe it's coincidence,

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's pattern recognition. Maybe it's dumb luck or good

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>space rock luck. The important part isn't whether the crop

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>circle means anything. It's why people keep chasing them. His

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:42.639
<v Speaker 1>name is a lawn. If you like, go check out

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Alan's YouTube channel. It's called I'm not joking. It's fucking

0:27:47.160 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>aliens Bro one hundred percent worth it. I'm recording this

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<v Speaker 1>at ten oh seven am. I know that because I

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.479
<v Speaker 1>just looked at my phone, and if you're listening to this,

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<v Speaker 1>it's no longer ten oh seven. It might be morning,

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>it might be late. You might be on a walk

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>or just counch roding somewhere, which already tells you something

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>strange about time. React like time is this solid thing

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 1>we're all standing inside together, like there's one shared now

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>that we're all moving through. But according to science, that's

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>not actually how it works. Physics says there is no

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>universal present, no masterclock, just events happening, stacked differently depending

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>on where you are. So when I say it's ten

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>oh seven am, that moment is already gone, but this

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>sentence is happening for you right now. What that means

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 1>in real life is this time isn't something you're writing on.

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>It's something you're coordinating with. We schedule our lives around it,

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>and we measure ourselves against it. We panic when we

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>feel behind it, but it's not actually moving the way

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>we think it is. What's moving is us your attention,

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 1>your decisions. Those are what create the feeling of time passing.

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>That's why some days fly by and this monologue is dragging.

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>That's why one conversation can change everything and then ten

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>years can disappear quietly. Time doesn't speed up or slow down,

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>your experience does. So if you feel like you're running

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>out of time or just waiting for the right moment,

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 1>think about this. There may not be a single now

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>in the whole universe, but there's always a moment where

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>you're making a choice, sending a text, avoiding the conversation,

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>showing up, not showing up. That's the only part of

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>time you actually touch. So wherever you're hearing this, whatever

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>time it is for you, that's just the point of contact.

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Not the clock, not the calendar, just a moment where

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 1>something happens because you were there. Once you accept that

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>reality is not as fixed as it feels, a lot

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>of these stories stops sounding like fairy tales and start

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 1>to look like data points on a graph we just

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>don't fully understand yet. For decades, there has been one

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>place more than any other, where time, perception, secrecy, and

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>experience all seem to collide. A place that was built

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 1>for keeping secrets, a place you can't even get a

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 1>solid satellite image of, a place that officially did not

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>exist until it did. Area fifty one. There's one story

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>that sits right at the center of Area fifty one,

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>whether you want it to or not, a story that

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't just introduce flying saucers to American culture, but permanently

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>fuse them to this secret military base in the Nevada Desert.

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>At the center of that story is a man named

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Bob Lazar. This guy didn't claim to see something strange

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>in the sky. He claimed to work inside the system itself,

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>reverse engineering flying saucers. Bob Lazar's story is either the

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>longest running hoax in modern UFO history or one of

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the most dangerous truths ever spoken out loud. This story

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 1>refuses to die more about to try and make sense

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 1>of all of it. I didn't just want another opinion.

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>I wanted the person who has spent years closest to

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>this story, closest to Bob Lazar himself. If this is

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 1>all a lie, I'm honestly just impressed at this point.

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>And if it's not, then a human revelation has been

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>sitting right in front of us. This entire time.

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<v Speaker 7>News articles once again mentioned the talk about alien spacecraft,

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 7>things of alien origin flying in.

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<v Speaker 8>Nevada out of nowhere like a shiroco in the desert.

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<v Speaker 8>He was in Silhouette comes forward on the news and says,

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<v Speaker 8>we are reverse engineering alien spacecraft at a place called

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<v Speaker 8>Area fifty one, which you haven't heard about.

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 5>Nine flying saucers.

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<v Speaker 8>I was part of that program, and now I'm worried

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<v Speaker 8>about my life, a threat to my personal safety.

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<v Speaker 5>That's my story.

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<v Speaker 7>The live interview Drew International attention. Portions were broadcast by

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<v Speaker 7>radio in six European countries and an a nationally televised

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<v Speaker 7>TV special in Japan. His real name is Robert Lazar.

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<v Speaker 7>He says he was hired to work at an area

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<v Speaker 7>called S four. At S four, he says, are flying saucers,

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<v Speaker 7>anti matter reactors, technology that is seemingly beyond human capability.

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<v Speaker 7>Lazar's story is by any stand It's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>He says.

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<v Speaker 7>He's telling it in order to protect himself.

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<v Speaker 5>Who's this Lazar guy? I don't know. Can we believe him?

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<v Speaker 5>Can we not? Is he a liar? I'm gonna find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Strange is a production by Tenderfoot TV in association

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeart Podcasts, Created, hosted and edited by myself Payne Lindsay.

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<v Speaker 1>Executive producers are myself and Donald Albright. Editing by Mike Rooney,

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper Skinner and myself. Original scorer by Makeup and Vanity Set,

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<v Speaker 1>Sound design, mixing and mastering by Cooper Skinner. Additional production

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<v Speaker 1>by Mike Rooney, Dylan Harrington, Eric Quintana, Sean Nurney, and

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<v Speaker 1>Meredith Steedman. Our cover art is by Polygon Special Thanks

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