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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Wait with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Tuesday, May first, two, eighteen, Season fourteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number seven. Welcome to another edition of The Break,

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Speaker 1: live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, and

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys to take us some time to

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Speaker 1: talk to some Cowboys football with us today. Post draft,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys completed the NFL twenty eighteen NFL Draft picked up

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Speaker 1: what's the total number, five, six, seven, eight, nine players? Um?

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Speaker 1: Nine players they drafted. I should say, we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about a few of those guys, talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the moves they did and did not make, and give

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Speaker 1: you guys our opinions on where this team goes from here.

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Speaker 1: How's everybody doing today? Great? Wonderful? Good? All right, so

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Speaker 1: let's jump right in. M As I said, the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: got nine nine draft picks. There were two players that

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Speaker 1: they traded for Um. Let's talk first about just overall.

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts coming out of the draft based

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Speaker 1: upon I guess it's hard to do that without talking

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Speaker 1: about whatever your expectations were for them and what they

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Speaker 1: were going to do. Based upon each of your expectations,

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Speaker 1: how did you feel about what they were able to

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Speaker 1: accomplish in the draft. Let's start with you, Nick. I

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Speaker 1: thought they drafted for need. Um. I think that they

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Speaker 1: best available player, and maybe maybe they did in certain cases.

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Speaker 1: But I thought they had a need going in and

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Speaker 1: they drafted for need, especially with the first pick. In

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Speaker 1: I just thought that that they went in here with

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Speaker 1: some glaring needs. They didn't address all of them. There's

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Speaker 1: But I thought overall they had some needs that they

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Speaker 1: didn't address a free agency and they drafted that way. Amber.

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts? I like it. I liked the

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Speaker 1: overall everything that they did. I was surprised though, to

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Speaker 1: see how many wide receivers they got. I really didn't

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Speaker 1: believe wide receiver was that big of a need, you know, so,

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Speaker 1: I mean it is, but as of right now, if

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Speaker 1: I guess that falls down to what Nick was saying,

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Speaker 1: kind of getting best player available, and that's kind of

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Speaker 1: think they got best available need, yeah, which is very well,

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Speaker 1: plenty of needs. I mean, I mean it's pretty broad.

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Speaker 1: So I just it still surprised me, and it surprised

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Speaker 1: just believe linebacker was a bigger need. That is. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: that they all draft for need. That's my opinion. I mean,

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Speaker 1: of their picks, with the exception of ignoring safety, almost

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Speaker 1: um Um Layton Vanderesh at the time when he when

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying they will back it up with somebody else.

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Speaker 1: It'll be one of those three veterans or Earl Thomas.

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Speaker 1: with a fresh start. Yeah that's still young, by the way. Yeah,

430
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Speaker 1: I uh oh no, I love this move. I hesitate

431
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: to compare him to a Hall of Famer, but he

432
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: reminds me of Devin hester By, like I mean, it's

433
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's to be nice. Well, and I'm not

434
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Speaker 1: saying he's gonna return twenty five kicks for touchdowns, but

435
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 1: he's got or whatever that number was. But he's got

436
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: dynamic ability in the return game. He's better than the

437
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 1: guys they've had here in recent years. And he is

438
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: not a He is not a dynamic receiver in the

439
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: sense that like his route tree or his ability down

440
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 1: the field is gonna wow you. I don't even you know,

441
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't even think of him as Nick's like speed guy.

442
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to be throwing this guy

443
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: a lot of nine routes, like let Deonte Thompson or

444
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 1: somebody do that. But he can, you know, bubble screens,

445
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: jet sweeps, anything near the line of scrimmage. I just

446
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: looked it up. I mean, he's never had more than

447
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: forty or fifty receptions in a season, never more than

448
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: four or five hundred yards, but he did when he

449
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: was healthy for the Rams, was getting you know, forty

450
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 1: to fifty carries a year and averaging four or five

451
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: six seven eight yards per carry. I mean, we talked

452
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: about it on Twitter the other day, like it was

453
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: so hilarious how the lucky jet sweep. Everybody knew it

454
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: was coming and it still worked for ten to fifteen

455
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: yards every time he did it. So I think you

456
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: got a guy who can do all of that stuff,

457
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 1: but hopefully better. Right, That's exactly right. And I think

458
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Speaker 1: one thing I want to clear up, and I want

459
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Speaker 1: your opinions on this. We heard a term web back

460
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: being used quite a bit as kind of the role

461
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 1: that they see him playing, and I think it seems

462
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: to me, at least that a lot of fans on

463
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: Twitter have taken that to mean that he is going

464
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Speaker 1: to be their running back, their third running back, or

465
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: third down running back. Although I think he's going to

466
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: play some of those roles. I want to be clear,

467
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's actually coming in here to be

468
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. He'll be working out with the wide receivers,

469
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: but he will be kind of that hybrid player that

470
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Speaker 1: will sometimes line up in the backfield, sometimes line up wide.

471
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Speaker 1: We'll do a little bit of everything, although he'll probably

472
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Speaker 1: be working with the wide receiver group. Is that how

473
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: you guys? When they drafted Switzer, they said that Switzer

474
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Speaker 1: is going to do some things that Lance Dunbar was

475
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: doing for them, So they've always kind of had this

476
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: role of a running back. I mean, remember Lance caught

477
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: up more passes I think than he had carry So

478
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: it'll be that type of role there. I think for him,

479
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see him run the ball in third

480
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Speaker 1: and one or two, and like you know, unless it's

481
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Speaker 1: maybe a jet SUITEP or something like that. I just

482
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 1: think what it does is it just brings the game

483
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Speaker 1: more you know, horizontal. I guess if you will just

484
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Speaker 1: just kind of use all all fifty three yards of

485
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Speaker 1: the field and just kind of spread things out more so,

486
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Speaker 1: and that might be what you see if if you've

487
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: got a different tight end here, which I'm sure is

488
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: on your list, it is on my list. And actually

489
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: before we get to that tight end position, I did

490
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: want to talk about some of the other wide receivers

491
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Speaker 1: at the Cowboys picked up. They made two draft picks

492
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Speaker 1: of wide receivers, Michael Gallop and Cedric Cedric Wilson. I'm sorry,

493
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: talk to me about what their skills are, like, what

494
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: kind of receivers did the Cowboys pick up and what

495
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: can they deliver to this wide receiver group that they

496
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: maybe didn't have before or is it just more of

497
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: the same I think, I mean, you heard us talk

498
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Speaker 1: about in the draft coverage. I mean, Gallop is like

499
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: a third round version of DJ Moore. I think you're

500
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Speaker 1: getting the same type of player. This isn't your health,

501
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: this isn't your big body Dez guy. He's a he's

502
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: an accomplished route runner for what he is. Not to

503
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: say he doesn't need to work on it, but he's

504
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: got a good route tree, he's tough, he's physical, it's

505
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: hard to bring down. And then Wilson. Wilson was at

506
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I know, like he can move inside

507
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: and outside again like these you know, it's not that

508
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: classic receiver type or it's either like a big bodied

509
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: guy or a burner. They're just well rounded, you know,

510
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: average looking wide receivers, which I think that's you know,

511
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones keeps talking about it. They're not They're at

512
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Speaker 1: peace with the fact that they don't have a number one.

513
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: They're just trying to throw as many solid, well rounded

514
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: receivers at it as possible. And I think it's gonna

515
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: be really fun because I think there's probably only two

516
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: on this receiver corps that have guaranteed jobs by the

517
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: end of training camp. So have fun figuring out who's

518
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: gonna make the team, even with Switzer being gone. Now

519
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: you think going two of them are guaranteed a spot

520
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: at this point and go down the line. I mean,

521
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns is here. They gave him too much money

522
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: for him not to be and he has a skill

523
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: set that not a lot of these other guys have.

524
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Speaker 1: And then Gallup is here because they just spent a

525
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Speaker 1: top one hundred pick on him, But who else, I mean, Terrence,

526
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Speaker 1: you might feel pretty confident Terrence is gonna be I mean,

527
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: it would surprise me, but that's not I mean, a

528
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: four million dollar cap hit is not so crazy that

529
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Speaker 1: if he just gets badly outperformed in training AMP that

530
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do it. But you'd have to be something drastic,

531
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, probably for him and Cole

532
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: would probably have to be something pretty drastic for them

533
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: not to be honest, I would expect them to make

534
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: the team. But I mean, I can't sit here and

535
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: say that they have like this crazy job security, not

536
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: with all these other guys that are going to be

537
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: fighting for roster spots. So with I think that they're

538
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: not going to get cut, but I could see a

539
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: trade scenario, especially with maybe not with Terrence as much,

540
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: but with definitely with Cole. I mean, if you wanted

541
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: to go that route. But I still think they're going

542
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: to try to make that work with Beasley, and you know,

543
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: that's a guy that works well with Dak, and you

544
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: know Dak is that's that's a throw that he can

545
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Speaker 1: make I mean, I'm not trying to be funny here,

546
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: but that is that is one that he's good. But

547
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Speaker 1: I agree with you when you go back to what

548
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: she said earlier, and I've said this as well, I

549
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: think on the last show is that you know the

550
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: time is now for him. I mean he Dak needs

551
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: to really take his game to another level. Um, this

552
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: whole Dak friendly stuff. I mean, these are guys that

553
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: can get open, catch the ball and make place for

554
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: him and he needs that, but he needs to to

555
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: kind of elevate their game as well. So I think

556
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: this is a big time for him, especially if you

557
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: don't have the tight end that you're that you've had

558
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: the first two years. So let's talk about that. Jason Witten.

559
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: Last what was that Thursday, Friday, Friday, we hear word

560
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: that there is at least some contemplation, some serious contemplation

561
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: on Jason's part that he will hang them up and

562
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: instead opt for a position in the Monday night football

563
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: booth calling those games. There was also a report that

564
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: came out I think Saturday, that another network may have

565
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: stepped in and created an offer for him as well.

566
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Speaker 1: So now he's at a point where he's trying to

567
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: make a decision on whether he continues to play or

568
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: whether he opts to step away from football and h

569
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: and just focus on broadcasting. That being said, Um, do

570
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: you think that? Um? What do you think of what

571
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have left at tight end? Let's assume now

572
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: that what they have you remove Jason Witten from it.

573
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: Do the Cowboys have enough of the position to be

574
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: able to enter the season and feel good about what

575
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: they want to do with the tight ends they have?

576
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: You want to take that or Man, Yeah, that that's

577
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: the biggest curveball you've ever thrown. Um, how's that? That

578
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: was a good curve And it was like I started

579
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: hearing down because that's Jason Witten, and you're just like, Okay,

580
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: we don't know what But the point is we don't

581
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: and I'm I don't feel like we're putting words in

582
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: his mouth on what he's gonna do. I don't. I

583
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: don't know that he knows right now what he's gonna do.

584
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: So now you, unless you have some insight, feel free

585
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: to jump on in and get it. Did I did

586
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: minutes ago, and then eight minutes ago it changed, and

587
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: then four minutes ago it changed, and now it's back

588
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: to what it was. It's up in the air, right,

589
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: this is a This guy is a damn football player.

590
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: That's what he is and that's what he's always will be.

591
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: And I Garret, hey, hey, hey, I don't have any information.

592
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: You don't have anything answer that part about them. I don't.

593
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sitting here trying to tell you that, like, oh,

594
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: they're fine, Everything's gonna be okay. Like this, the tight

595
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: end position certainly looks like a trouble spot if Jason

596
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: Witten's not on the team. But I'm just I don't.

597
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm not losing a ton of sleepover It's fine. I mean,

598
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: it's it's funny one of those things where like all

599
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: through the spring it was like Witten's holding this team hostage.

600
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: He's not what he used to be. He's terrible, Like

601
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: he's holding this offense back. And then he's like I

602
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: might retire, and everyone's like worse good. I think you

603
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: know there will be a drop off from a locker

604
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: room standpoint as well as an on field standpoint, obviously,

605
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, but just you look at the talent.

606
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Swain and Blake jar how many times

607
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: over the weekend, did Stephen and Jerry Jones say Blake

608
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: Jarwin by name, like this dude must be freaking Travis Kelsey,

609
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: like they look Going back to my point, this team

610
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: is not afraid to have faith in guys that they developed.

611
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about the safety spot, how but

612
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: they're just like, now, this guy we signed undrafted last

613
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: year is pretty great. We're good. And then they get

614
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz in the fourth round. The other thing that

615
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm interested in is if Jason Witten's not here to

616
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: play ninety seven percent of the snaps, maybe that frees

617
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: you up to play different looking football. Maybe you see

618
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: more ten personnel no you know, four receivers, no tight ends,

619
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Speaker 1: or maybe you see more you know, even more eleven

620
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: than you're used to with one tight end. I don't know.

621
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see because I would imagine if

622
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Speaker 1: the drop office as severe as people want to make

623
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Speaker 1: it out to be, then I would adapt my personnel

624
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: to make up for the fact that I don't have

625
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: a great tight end. Yeah. Last year, I think eleven

626
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: personnel was probably the most was the predominant yeah thing

627
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: that they did, and particularly when they were in two

628
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: minute they would typically have Witten on the field with

629
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Speaker 1: three wide receivers, and I always thought when they drafted

630
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer, my thought was, if you could have that

631
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: ten personnel, where's Switzer and it's easily in the two slots,

632
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: it gives you some really great opportunities to do some

633
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 1: cool stuff. I'm I'm fascinated by the thought of this

634
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: team playing ten personnel. I think that is suited to Dak.

635
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: I think it's suited to Zeke. Give Dak more options

636
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: to throw, put smaller defensive personnel on the field, so

637
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Zeke has a matchup advantage you've got. I mean, if

638
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: Connor Williams is joining this line, then your line should

639
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: be even more capable of handling it without a tight end.

640
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: And then again smaller personnel, so you clear Dack up

641
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: to maybe run if he wants to. I just I

642
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Speaker 1: love the thought of them doing more of that. I

643
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: think the most important part thing you said right there

644
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: was that it forces that linebacker off the field. With

645
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: Witton on the field, you could put a linebacker round.

646
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: You cannot do that and run a two hundred and

647
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: thirty pound running back right at your face. Right, let's go,

648
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: and if you want to spread them out. That's a

649
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: great way to spread them out and force them to

650
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: still be able to respect and make a decision between

651
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: whether they're going to respect all those wide receivers or

652
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: respect the fact you still got a beast in the backfield.

653
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: I think that's your best way to do it, as

654
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: opposed to eleven personnel with Enfield. I would be a

655
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: big fan of that, but they don't ask for my opinions,

656
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: not yet. Amber, did you have an opinion on that?

657
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just shocked. I think it took everyone

658
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: by surprise, the whole Witten retirement thing, very much so.

659
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I'm gonna be happy with whatever

660
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: decision he makes. Honestly, I thought his time was coming up.

661
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: I am expected to be this year, but we all

662
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: knew that his time was coming up. He's starting to

663
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: slow down. He's still an amazing player, better than most

664
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: out there, even with him slowing down. So it's gonna

665
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: be a big drop off. And I'm curious to see

666
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: what's up with Rico Gathers. I don't I still don't

667
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: know the story behind him. Yeah, get in line, Nick.

668
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: During the draft, there were some I guess the better

669
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: tight ends in the draft, which I don't know how

670
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: great you put him on the scale, but there were

671
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: some better tight end options in the first and second round.

672
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: Do you think the Cowboys missed an opportunity to not

673
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: either draft one of those guys or even in the

674
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: second round trade up if they needed to in order

675
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: to secure the services of one of those top two

676
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: tight ends. I think that, you know, I don't think

677
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: they were interested in taking Goddard at fifth. I mean,

678
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: so that was another and if Philadelphia really needed the

679
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: guy that, you know, that's good for them. Um, you know,

680
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: they didn't have the Eagles as an organization, did not

681
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: have a great Friday Night and trying to trump the Cowboys,

682
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: and so if that was their attempt, and I don't

683
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 1: think it really mattered. Now if they thought it matched up,

684
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: I thought they needed it, they lost it to backup

685
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: tight end. So but based off of what we saw there,

686
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that. I mean, they obviously

687
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: were making an attempt, and they they tried to jump

688
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Dallas because they thought Dallas needed a tight end. I

689
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: think it was both. I think they needed a tight

690
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: end and they knew Dallas has ever traded up for

691
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: a player that it needs, right, I'm just I just saying,

692
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: but they obviously thought that Dallas needed them, and if

693
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: that would have been to be honest with you, if

694
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: that would have been Oakland sitting in that spot and

695
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: they knew Oakland needed a tight end, they would have

696
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: jumped Oakland to get that tight end. I don't think

697
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: teams are trying to make any statements as much as

698
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: they are trying to get the players that are best

699
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: for their teams. Only got a few picks, not trying

700
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: to make a statement, but the narrative was pretty evident.

701
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: Bratt and and and I mean the Cowboys did homework

702
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: on tight ends on Friday, they called around, they talked.

703
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think the Cowboys would have drafted Dallas

704
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: s Gooddard had he been there. And that's the important point.

705
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people missed that that it

706
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: was pretty clear and some of the things that we've heard,

707
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: I know we've heard it that that that wasn't even

708
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: a part of the conversation. There were other players that

709
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: were being considered, and really Connor Williams was their target.

710
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: Phillies move makes like I don't think they did it

711
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: to rub Buddy's face in it, right, But they were like,

712
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: well this is a team that of course, yeah, of

713
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: course that was I'm talking about the moves. The biggest

714
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: fail of all time. I mean, seriously, you bring you

715
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: bring a puberty kicker to the stage who didn't win

716
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: a ring. That was Did you see Tyrone Crawford's tweet

717
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: where he just kind of ended it with some basing

718
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: your voice and he was like a kicker said that. No.

719
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched enough wrestling in my day that

720
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: the guy walks out there with the belt like that's it.

721
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: So walk out with the trophy and then just make

722
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: the pick. That's all you have to do. In the

723
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: last three hundred and sixty five days, what has happened.

724
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: You won a championship, which is great, good job for them,

725
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: but that's all you have to say. You come up

726
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: with something better than that, and let's bring David Akers.

727
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: They should have been sent Dawkins would have been from

728
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: that would have been a better guy and as many

729
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: rings as you. Yeah, but still I still probably a

730
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: better guy. I get it. But in my I think

731
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: Dawkins is technically part of their organization right now, Like

732
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: I think he I think so, yeah, but don't. Well,

733
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: so we sent I would have sen up there. He

734
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: works for What's what I'm saying, But I'm no. My

735
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: point I think he does, does he not? Haven't seen

736
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: him in a while. My point is that I think

737
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him either. Andre's still here. I don't

738
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: know about Miles. Uh. I think Dawkins technically got a ring,

739
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. With Philly. He works

740
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: because he works for them. Last year, Yes, I got you.

741
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: I think a while to get It's fine, It's fine.

742
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: I would Yeah, they could have done a way better job.

743
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: We could have too. All right, let's take our final break.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back. I do want to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about jah Jihad Ward, another player the Cowboys

746
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,320
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Speaker 1: Welcome Back. It's the final segment of The Break, live

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788
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Speaker 1: talking draft Cowboys, make nine picks, trade for two guys,

789
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: come away with a lot of players, and we're actually

790
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795
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Speaker 1: up to training camp in July. All right, So let's

797
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: let's talk about one of those other players that the

798
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: Cowboys traded for this last weekend to hod Ward, who

799
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: was a defensive tackle they traded with Oakland. That was

800
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: the trade where they sent off Ryan Switzer and picked

801
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: up jehad Ward. Talk to me about jehad Ward and

802
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: what kind of player he is he where he possibly fits, Well,

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00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: he's um probably a three technique that can play him

804
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: one and get up the field. Then they started liking

805
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: him at the Senior Bowl when they covered when they

806
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: coached there a couple of years ago, and he just

807
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he was a good scheme fit for

808
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: what Oakland was trying to do, especially now with with

809
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: with the new staff that they have in there. So

810
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: it's just just an opportunity the Pits, I mean, Oakland

811
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: needed a guy, you know, and obviously Bess Switzer and

812
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: wanted to get him, and you know, they're just kind

813
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: of looking at the roster, like, well, who would you

814
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: part ways with? Yeah, well, you know, we could use this,

815
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: so I think it just kind of works and let's see. Yeah,

816
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: it's disappointing that we never really got to look at

817
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: what Switzer could bring to the offense. But it's the

818
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: it's a perfect trade, like both teams got something they needed.

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00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: Both teams had to part ways with something to do it.

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00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 1: I just found out with in the last two weeks.

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00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: It's famously you know, the Cowboys wanted Donelle Pumphrey and

822
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: the Eagles took him one or two picks before Besacci

823
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: is the reason Switzer was here. Bosacci was like, all right,

824
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: Pumphrey's gone, this is the guy we need to get,

825
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: and so they did it. And so it makes perfect

826
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: sense that as soon as as soon as they added

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00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin, well, Psacci probably told Grudener Reggie mackenzie like,

828
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: get on the phone, let's get this guy. And Keith

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00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: O'Quinn is one of the reasons that Tavon Austin is here.

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00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: You know, he sat down right next to Jerry when

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00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: they were thinking about it and said, you know, does

832
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: this guy make us better? And he was just like,

833
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: are you gidding me, like one hundred percent better tomorrow

834
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: he makes us better. And literally he you know when

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00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: he said tomorrow he was. I mean, we saw the

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00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: video we put out there. I mean, he shows up

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00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: yesterday already here, you're ready to go. And I think

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00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: it's just one of those cases where a fresh start's

839
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: really gonna help him. But that's where it starts with

840
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: punt return a little bit of the offense. I think

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Speaker 1: if Switzer really would have been a able to contribute,

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Speaker 1: I think we would have seen maybe more than than

843
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: than four catches. I mean, I know he didn't get

844
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: a great opportunity, but I think he you know, if

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00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: he had a whole lot there to give, I think

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00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: we would have seen a little bit more there. Maybe,

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00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: And I'm easily he's right in his way. Maybe there's

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00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: just no I'm not when you got Witten on the team,

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00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: I think I'm not trying to say the dude. Maybe

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00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say he's welker, but I think

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00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: Beasley and Witten both being there probably hindered his opportunities.

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Speaker 1: But again, I mean, if he goes on to have

853
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career, no offense to Ryan I

854
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't bank on that, So I think

855
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: you guys, but I think you could go on to

856
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: be a productive receiver. Absolutely. I think I think it

857
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: was about opportunities for him lat year. He didn't get

858
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Yeah, he really didn't. But again

859
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: then especially post if you had Tavon Austin, you didn't.

860
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: Again we talk about safety. They didn't draft a d

861
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: tackle either, so they got one that they had a

862
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: good grade on two years ago. He's still early on

863
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: in his career. It addresses a need. It's basically like

864
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: drafting a guy. I think you guys need to be

865
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: cautious about saying that the offense can look so much

866
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: better and different with out Witton because you kind of

867
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: know what he is there linebacker on the field, because

868
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: Witten does give you versatility to run the football and

869
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: catch the ball. Now, he doesn't spread you out as much,

870
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: but I mean, you don't know exactly what they're doing

871
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: when he's out there. And I think that's what's made

872
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: him so great is that they can play big boy

873
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: football with him out there. They can also spread it

874
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: out a little bit too, so the next tight end

875
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: that they get, I mean it's true he did have

876
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: some complete package to him. Yeah, I think I think,

877
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: and I think that's great. I think that's a great

878
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: way to look at it. But I do the one

879
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: thing I will say is I think there are ways

880
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. I think we've seen

881
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: them at times take an additional offensive lineman and put

882
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: them on the field. I think there's ways that you

883
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: can do that. But I also think that on the

884
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: flip side of that, what he what you forced them

885
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: to do, As I was saying earlier, you forced them

886
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: to change their personnel. If you've got ten personnel on

887
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: the field verses eleven personnel, you forced them to add

888
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: an additional secondary guy. And now they're too If you

889
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: let's assume for a second you've got you could put

890
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: Herns in the slot. Hearns plays a slot. Let's assume

891
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: that you got Herns in the slot, and let's assume

892
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: you've got on the other side, you got Cold in

893
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: the slot. Now you're forcing that other team to have

894
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: two good enough slot corners. Now you're four deep on

895
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: their corners. You're forcing both of those to be good

896
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: enough to be able to cover in man. And I

897
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: think that's where you can create some real mismatches for

898
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: yourself that maybe you can't create, because a linebacker can

899
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: cover Jason Witten and man coverage at this point in

900
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: a lot of instances, I don't agree with that. You

901
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: don't know, I do not think a linebacker can just

902
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: shut him down. And that's not what I said, That's

903
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: not what I said. What I said I said, in

904
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: a lot of instances, a linebacker can. There are a

905
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: lot of very, very athletic linebackers in today's NFL. I

906
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: think that there are a lot of those linebackers that

907
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: can cover Jason Witten man to man. Well, I mean

908
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: my point is is stop making the Pro Bowl and

909
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: then we'll see if he's really wind it down. He's

910
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: not the same as he was, but he's still making

911
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. He's still doing his thing. Get all that.

912
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not. I'm not saying he's not.

913
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying but they'll just look at the production too.

914
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't like it wasn't like there were

915
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of opportunities last year that that they

916
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: had to get the ball to Jason. And you know

917
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It just it's not showing up in

918
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: the in the game. So so something he's changed something.

919
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: Example year, something happen. Maybe it's that guy or that's

920
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: throwing it. Okay, and that's fine. But I'm just saying,

921
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: whatever's happening, it's not working. So you have to start

922
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: throwing different things at it if you're going to get

923
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: it to work. Right, I'm sorry that they dedicated a

924
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: whole wall to people that make the Pro Bowl. I

925
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: just don't know if it's not working if you're still

926
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: making the public alternate, yes, but how many six tight

927
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: ends better than him last year. I'm just saying he's

928
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: still he's still producing. He's still producing. It's hard to

929
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: say that it's not working when he's still producing it.

930
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that's his decision. I think he's pondering

931
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: what he wants to do because I don't think he

932
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: wants to get in a situation where he is a liability.

933
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: And I don't think he was last year. I don't

934
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: know if he was. I know, I'm not saying liability.

935
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I still think he can play at

936
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: a pretty high level. My thing is I think that

937
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: there is some diversity that they can get in this

938
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: offense that right now, Let's be honest, the problem is

939
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: right now when Jason's on the team, Jason ain't coming

940
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: on to understand that. But I think there's some diversity

941
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: that can happen if you could have both Jason and

942
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: be able to go to ten personnel. I think you're

943
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: probably that doesn't happen right now. Jason's not coming off

944
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: the field. You know, I agree with what you just said,

945
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: but also I want to see that to believe it

946
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: before I get all excited about it. This coaching staff

947
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: is stubborn. I don't I gotta see it. I mean,

948
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: maybe they just do the same stuff with different players.

949
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: I don't know which. Another thing I was gonna say

950
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: now that I'm trying to sunshine pump, I mean, well,

951
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: what can a fourth round pick possibly be expected to

952
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: contribute to a team in his rookie year. I'm being

953
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: sarcastic because Dak was a fourth round pick, but uh,

954
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, this time of year, I love to do

955
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: like informal poll anytime might see somebody from football ops,

956
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm just like, who's your favorite pick? And I just,

957
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, just out of curiosity. A lot of people

958
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: people talking about Dalton Schultz as that guy, I mean,

959
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: coming from Stanford, he knows how to do exactly the

960
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: type of stuff they want to tight end when it

961
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: was a third round pick, like, it's not unheard of

962
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: to get a good tight end. And if you listen

963
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: to some of the things that people that were around

964
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: when Jason got here say, like Jason didn't come in

965
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: the door being as well rounded as he became. It

966
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: was a lot of hard work and really Parcels, like

967
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: I remember Parcels talking about how important it was to

968
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: beat a well rounded tight end, not just to be

969
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: a pass catcher or not just the blocking guy, but

970
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be great, if you're gonna be among

971
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: the great tight ends, to be well rounded. And so

972
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: if they can do the same thing with Schultz, maybe

973
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: he has enough of that to to kind of develop

974
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: him into Witten light right, the secrets in the dirt,

975
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: that's what Whitten says. Let's get some questions. We've kind

976
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: of we hit on the same they're drawing plays. Yeah, okay,

977
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: we talked about safety, and there seems to be a

978
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: lot of confusion or questions in regards to why do

979
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: the Cowboys knee a safety. So I would like to

980
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: for you guys to please expand on this or explain

981
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: why are the Cowboys not okay with just Jeff Heath

982
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Caven Frasier. The Cowboys are okay with that. We don't

983
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: think they should be okay with okay. Yeah, technically they

984
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: are okay. Yeah, you've got bodies there, they can do

985
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: the job. Why do we see that as a need

986
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: because they're moving Byron Jones, which a lot of you know,

987
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: if we're talking about fan questions, fans hate that guy

988
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: more than he deserves. They're moving him to corner. They

989
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: literally don't have I mean, Xavier Woods has four starts

990
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: to his name, none of which came at free safety.

991
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: Cavan Frasier has never started a game, and you have

992
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath, who I think is a solid player and

993
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't mind him starting, but you need somebody to

994
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: partner him with. I mean, so it's basically a projection

995
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: that Xavier Woods, who they felt great about. I'm not

996
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: trying to say he can't handle it, but they're bail

997
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: like right now, they're saying, we hope he's up to it.

998
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what their super positions can wreck your game,

999
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: like wreck a game if they if they are playing poorly.

1000
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it's left tackle and safety because

1001
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: if you're safety is not where he needs to be.

1002
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all I mean, you're you're the last

1003
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: guy out through a cornerback in their two corner. You

1004
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: can but if I mean, if you have a great

1005
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: free safety, you can also kind of clean cornerbacks have

1006
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: some bad games that ended up wrecking a game, I

1007
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: get it, but I guarantee you that that a lot

1008
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: of it was probably bad scheme too, like give him

1009
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: some help if he's that bad, or get him off

1010
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: the field. But safety, he needs to kind of be

1011
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback of you know, of the defense. And I

1012
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: think that they just need to get better there. I

1013
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: mean they Byron Jones was getting benched last year halfway

1014
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: through the year for for Cavan Frasier in a game

1015
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: that they don't really love. For Cavan either and Xavier Woods.

1016
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: We'll see he makes plays, but I mean, I think

1017
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: they want to see more of it. But you have

1018
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: a chance to get a guy that you know, a

1019
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: veteran out there that they can play, I think you

1020
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: gotta go for it. And I think they will. I

1021
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: want to take exception to something he said earlier about

1022
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that I agree that the

1023
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: Cowboys are okay with their safety position, all right, let

1024
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: me let me alter it. Then, based on everything they've

1025
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: done so far, I have no choice but to conclude that, well,

1026
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: I have not done anything. But I think that part

1027
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: of that is you can't address I don't think you

1028
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: can address everything in one draft, not as many holes

1029
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: and needs as they had. I don't think you can.

1030
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: And so no safeties on the free agent market right right,

1031
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: But but I think there are well, but I think

1032
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: that maybe those guys don't fit in their opinion. But however,

1033
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: all I'm saying, all I'm saying is that I don't

1034
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: know that it's necessarily that they don't see. I think

1035
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: they see that that's something they got to address. And

1036
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: you guys already said it. You think that by by

1037
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: this summer they're gonna put something, bring somebody else in.

1038
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, you know that they feel

1039
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: like they need to address it. I just don't think

1040
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: it fell to them in the way that these other

1041
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: positions did well. And I'm not killing them for not

1042
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: drafting and safety alreadies. I mean, you know, I think

1043
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: Connor Williams is a better pick than Justin Reid. I

1044
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: think Layton vander esh is a better pick for what

1045
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: they need than Derwin James. I don't know if he's

1046
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: as good as a player, but it so it's not

1047
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 1: that I get that. And then once you get past

1048
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: the third or fourth round, you're not talking about safeties

1049
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: who fit what they want anyway, You're just I mean,

1050
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about what you already have, you know what

1051
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean. And so that doesn't bother me. What will

1052
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: bother me? Now that they drafted Connor Williams. I feel

1053
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: confident that Lyle Collins isn't going to move now. I'm

1054
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: bothered by the thought of moving Cheeto Woodsier to safety

1055
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: or making Byron Jones flop back again after he already

1056
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: flopped once, which I think they will have to. They

1057
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: are that little faith in Xavier Woods. They said that.

1058
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: I first of all, Xavier Woods isn't going to get

1059
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: a chance to showcase anything in the next month or

1060
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: two anyway at OTA's I mean, that's not football, So

1061
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. So, I mean, I hate that thought.

1062
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: I And that's they said on Saturday. They can address

1063
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: it from within the team because they've got some guys

1064
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: with flex. I hate that I thought Cheeto looked great

1065
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: in the month that he was playing corner last year.

1066
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: Don't mess with a good thing at an important position.

1067
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: You might have some really good corners here for the future.

1068
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: That's Jordan, Like, I really like what I'm seeing so far,

1069
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: and and it frustrates me because I mean, for the

1070
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 1: millionth time I've heard that Kenny, Vacaro and Trade they're

1071
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: not scheme fits whatever. They're experienced pro safeties who have

1072
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: started games, and they probably wouldn't be expensive to bring in,

1073
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: So what's the harm. But let me ask you this,

1074
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: if you're gonna if you're gonna go there like we

1075
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: do know, I mean last year with specifically with Vaccaro,

1076
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing very much in in New Orleans like

1077
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: they had basically, Yeah, but I'm saying though they were

1078
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: already not very happy with his play. So my point is,

1079
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: for whatever it was, they didn't feel like he was

1080
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: living up to They also talking about the fact he said,

1081
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: is that why you laughing? No, I'm just talking about

1082
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: the fact that I guarantee they would have liked him

1083
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: to be the guy at safety and when Stefan Diggs

1084
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: was making a play, well, I mean maybe it's hard.

1085
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: Not it's harsh because Martin, they drafted Marcus Williams in

1086
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: the top fifty. He had a damn good year. I

1087
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: mean they did, they had options if we had it

1088
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: so good, that's the point they feel like they needed

1089
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: to upgrade the position. So that's my question is what

1090
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: can they really expect from from the car if they

1091
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: were to bring him in Nothing right now? They better

1092
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: do it like now, Like, don't wait a while. I mean,

1093
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: what you need is a veteran guy that can come

1094
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: in here and help these younger players. Don't do it

1095
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: in June. The guy's already there. He doesn't know where

1096
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: where the bathroom is. I mean, let him come in

1097
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: here and be a part of this program. I thought

1098
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: what Tavon Austin did was was really important from the

1099
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: timing standpoint. I mean, yeah, he can go work out anywhere,

1100
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: but be here and be a part of the team.

1101
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: Be a part of the group. That's what they need

1102
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: to get this better. If they're gonna do it, do

1103
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: it now, because because you're right, Zavier Woods came on

1104
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: Razor not gonna make any plays on the ball. They're

1105
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: not gonna separate anybody from you know, a pass and

1106
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: knock at anyone on their ass. I mean, they need

1107
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: to get a guy that can do it right now,

1108
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: come in here and play. He's not more of what

1109
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: they are well, and they're gonna tell you, and they

1110
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: might be right, but they're he's well, he's another like

1111
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: box guy. We already have that, but he's different from

1112
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: what they already have in the sense that he has

1113
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: started and played well and had an NFL career. I

1114
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: mean he I know, Okay, last year he got hurt,

1115
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't a big part of it, but he has

1116
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: started for them and played well. I don't know if

1117
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: he's ever been to a Pro Bowl, but he has

1118
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: been in Pro Bowl consideration. He's been part of a

1119
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: Saints team that made a playoff push like or even

1120
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean Trey Boston too. It doesn't have to be

1121
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: Kenny of a Car. I just they don't have a

1122
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: guy who has started what you want to experience, Yes,

1123
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: I want. I mean, and again for the million time,

1124
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm worried people think that I hate

1125
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods and don't think he can play. That's not

1126
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: the case. I just hope is not a strategy. It's

1127
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: not it's a I just think that's a bad idea

1128
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: going into it. Jerry was asked if Eric Reid was

1129
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: an option, and he did not answer it either way.

1130
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: He didn't say that he's not or he just said,

1131
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: I'd just rather not talk about any veterans that are

1132
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: out there free agents or whatever. And Eric Reid, obviously

1133
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's really good player and a former

1134
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: first round pick and a player that was that kneeled

1135
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: every game right for the anthem. Yeah, I was a

1136
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: big part of it. So yeah, that's those are the facts.

1137
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't mean, Jerry's not gonna say

1138
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: one way or another, but just those are the facts.

1139
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: Whether I mean, I don't know. I mean, and again,

1140
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: I hope Xavier Woods does. I hope he is the

1141
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: safety of the future because they got a great deal

1142
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: on him, and again they thought very highly of him,

1143
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: and he fell all the way to the sixth rounds.

1144
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: I need to be the safety of the future. He

1145
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: has a has a unique skill set of being a

1146
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: slot corner type safety. I mean, there's a spot for him.

1147
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean that he has to be back

1148
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: there starting. I think, well, I think Jordan Lewis could

1149
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: be a hell of a slot cornerback, and so if

1150
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods can play safety, that's where I would prefer

1151
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: for him to be. But I mean, you talk about

1152
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: look at all the things they've done to foster competition

1153
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: at receiver and all these other spots, like nobody like

1154
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: the Xavier Woods has gotten the greatest vote of confidence ever.

1155
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: They're literally just like the job's yours to lose like

1156
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: you can. But I guess that's my point is I

1157
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: don't think they're doing I think what they're doing right

1158
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: now is he just haven't found the right opportunity yet.

1159
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: And we all agree by summer they're gonna find somebody

1160
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: to put in that spot. I don't think they're going

1161
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: to camp with just those guys. I would be shocked

1162
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: if they haven't added somebody July. I still think it's

1163
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: going to be Earl And maybe it is. All I'm

1164
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: saying is I don't think. I don't think they go

1165
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: to camp with that with just what they got. How

1166
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: you just trade you go into next year unless and

1167
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: don't trade next year's one, but you can trade unless

1168
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: he stages a holdout? What is Seattle's motive for? Kind

1169
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: agree with you on that? Why do you want to you?

1170
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: Why would you give up one of your best players

1171
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: for a pick that you can't use for eight months

1172
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: and if you let him leave in free agency next year,

1173
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: then you get a comp pick for him. Anyway, that's

1174
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a three out of guess as good

1175
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: a player as he is depends on the size of

1176
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: the deal. Kids, it's gonna be significant, right, I just

1177
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: I mean, when do you want to make this pick

1178
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: to yours or or next year? I'd rather have a no,

1179
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I mean, your scenario is you

1180
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: you keep him for a year and then you get

1181
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: a pick a year later. What would you change? What

1182
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: would you rather have for the twenty eighteen season as

1183
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: the Seahawks who have already dumped a bunch of players

1184
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: when they got a secondary Now you Pro Bowl caliber

1185
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: player or a pick that you can't use until the

1186
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: season's over. I just maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

1187
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: I just I don't think it's as easy to get

1188
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: this done now that the draft, So I don't know.

1189
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: All I know is that the reason why the Cowboys

1190
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: and other teams wait until the last second to turn

1191
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: into the card is to see if someone's going to

1192
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: offer you next year's one. Well, yeah, that's that's what

1193
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: they always say. Next year's one changes everything. Well, I

1194
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: mean next year's two is still probably valuable. Sure it is. No,

1195
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: it is. And I think I agree with both of

1196
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: you guys, and I think both can kind of exist.

1197
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of the dual things that are

1198
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: probably why Gil hasn't been done is because you're kind

1199
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: of going back and forth between the two. Yeah, they

1200
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: would probably love to get a two from the Cowboys.

1201
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: But on the flip side, as Dave said, they got

1202
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: a young secondary and they're probably looking at like, well,

1203
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: if we're gonna get him for one more year and

1204
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: let him kind of be the veteran in this secondary

1205
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: with these young guys, and then even if he walks away,

1206
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: we thought we'll be compensated with a pick. So either

1207
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: way it would probably pretty good. So it has to

1208
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: be a pick that we're getting from a team that

1209
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: just knocks our socks off for us to actually move us,

1210
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: to actually make us say, yeah, we gotta do it.

1211
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: Now and struggle with next year having an extremely young

1212
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: so and that's why, I mean, that's why stuff like

1213
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: that happens on draft weekend, because it's like you pick

1214
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 1: up the phone and you're like, you can have pick

1215
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: eighty one in fifteen minutes, So just add that to

1216
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: whatever you're already about to do, like you have that

1217
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: instant chance to upgrade your team, Whereas now it's like, well,

1218
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose one of our best players for these

1219
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: sixteen games that matter so much, and we don't get

1220
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: to do anything about it until next April. And I'm

1221
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: not saying it's impossible. I just think it's way it's

1222
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: even more unlikely than it already. Lets them go get

1223
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: the car, oh hey, and that probably that would be

1224
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: that would be happy, right, That would be upsetting for me.

1225
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: Is like the Cowboys are like, he's not a scheme fit,

1226
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: he's not as scheme fit, we don't want him. And

1227
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: then somehow the Cowboys get Earl Thomas and the Seahawks

1228
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: go sign him to do what the Cowboys said he

1229
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: could do, which that's probably well. The other thing about

1230
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: the Seahawks to remember is their strong safety. They don't

1231
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with him? He still has not

1232
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: come back from that injury. Yeah, so if they're gonna

1233
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: lose him too, now you have a completely different secondary

1234
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: from what you had the beginning of last season, and

1235
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: are you willing to let the guy who is the

1236
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: kind of the centerpiece of that in Earl Thomas call.

1237
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: The reason why I still think this is happening or

1238
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some veteran is that they had ten

1239
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: picks to start the draft and they had to sign

1240
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: eighteen more free agents, so they had to bring in

1241
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: twenty eight players. I think it's ended up being twenty

1242
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: seven because of the trade. But I mean they brought

1243
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: in twenty eight players and there's one safety who's an

1244
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: undrafted player from Oregon. That just tells me that there's

1245
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: still nobody's come in here and change their mind about anything.

1246
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 1: In fact, it's even worse because you got twenty seven

1247
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: players that have come through and you haven't added anyone,

1248
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: so it's even more of a need. Yeah. I mean

1249
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: Rolando McClain, the year he was good. He joined this

1250
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: team on like July tenth, you know, so I don't

1251
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: think this is done. I just would be surprised. If

1252
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: it's et all right, guys, appreciate you joining us. We

1253
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: are back next Wednesday. We'll give you, guys a little

1254
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: bit more. We'll talk a little bit more about this

1255
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: team and where they stand right now at each position,

1256
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: after the draft and after free agency until then, for

1257
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: Nick Even, Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia, I'm Derek Eagleson. This

1258
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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