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John and Ken Show, 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: John Kobelt and Ken champbokaf I AM six forty live 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Every now and then we 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: get an email from a listener and it touches us 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: all right, maybe not touches us, but gets us to think, 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: all right, maybe this is worth talking about with all 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: the listeners. And her name is Catherine and her email 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: goes as follows, Hello, my father passed away last June. 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: We inherited his house. When we advised the tenant that 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: we were going to sell the house and gave sixty 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: days notice. They refused to leave, and they wanted fifteen 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to leave. Refuse that. When they said they 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: couldn't pay the rent due to the COVID restrictions, you know, 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: that was allowing people, not that they I don't know 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: we could find out they had COVID, but it was 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: suspending the requirement that you pay rent for a while. 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: We're now a year later after my dad has died, 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: and we still can't get them out. Now they want 28 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars to leave the house. The moratorium for 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: evictions in La Counties extended to the end of the year, 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: and I've heard it's likely it will be extended again. 31 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: So we own a home, but we have no rights 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: to it. I am flabbergasted by this. Let's get Catherine 33 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: on the air here. Hi, John and Ken, Hi, how 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: are you. I'm good. Thank you so much for having 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: me on the show. I really really appreciate it. Thank 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: you for writing to us. Well, you have all our sympathy. 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. When was the least set to expire? Well, 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: we've been on a month to month for a while, 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: so I mean every you know, months to months is 40 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: basically the lease is up at the end of the month. 41 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: But before before I like get into this though, I 42 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: just want to kind of give a disclaimer to you 43 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: and your listeners that I'm not representing any company, agency, employer, county, 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: or city. I'm just a concerned citizen that is going 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: through a difficult situation with this housing situation with my brothers, 46 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: and my brothers and myself. We're not like millionaire landowners 47 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: that are making a living off rentals. This is our 48 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: parents home and they worked very hard to buy it, 49 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: to maintain it, to pay it off so that when 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: they passed away they could pass it on to us 51 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: to help us in our future. And John, you had mentioned, well, 52 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: how come you can't sell it? And let me clarify 53 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: that we can sell it. It's on the market. But 54 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: guess what, who's going to buy a home where people 55 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: are in it and they refuse to leave. And basically, 56 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: this new this COVID was it called the COVID nineteen 57 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: Tenant Protection Resolution, basically says that we don't have any 58 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: rights to evict to evict them, even because it's called 59 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: because it's called a no fault eviction, meaning no faults 60 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: eviction means that you know there's no problems. But before COVID, 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: if you wanted to sell your home, you get sixty 62 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: dight notice like you were saying, and you could sell 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: your home. Right now you can't do that. And with 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: these new resolutions John and Ken, if the person is 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: a nuisance in the home, you can't evict them. If 66 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: there's unauthorized people in the home or unauthorized pets, you 67 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: can't evict them. You're not allowed. All the clauses in 68 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: your lease have no power. No, there's there's there's no 69 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: force of law to no sol So it's anything they 70 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: could violate all the terms of their lease. Anything in LA. 71 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, make it clear you're in LA 72 00:03:54,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: County somewhere county correct. I can read to you Partection 73 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: from Eviction for no fault eviction reasons, nuisance, unauthorized occupants 74 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: or pets. And as of June first, twenty twenty two, 75 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: now people who say like hey, you know what UM 76 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: you know I again have issues because of COVID and 77 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: they meet a certain income with UM it says outer 78 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: blow eighty percent Area medium income and their income is 79 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: in that level due to COVID reasons. Guess what, they 80 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: don't have to pay rent, what's their COVID reason And 81 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: the self certification letter that they turn into the landlord 82 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: is basically I looked at it. Its it's checkboxes that 83 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: you check. It's self attesting, all right, So yeah, that's 84 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: called self attesting, right. I just say I have this, 85 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: and self attesting is a great way, it's worthless right 86 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: to commit fraud. Right. And just to let you know 87 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: what a horrible set of legislators supervisors we have to 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: allow this abuse. They want to protect the riffraff. This 89 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: is not protecting any basical detecting criminals. These these guys 90 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: are just to let you know. On this self certification letter, 91 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: it says on the bottom towards the bottom like optional 92 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: you can provide proof, but it's optional. You don't want 93 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: to have to prove. You don't have to prove that 94 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: you have COVID nineteen. You don't have to prove that 95 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: you don't have you know the income. Have you asked 96 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: anybody in the legal community for any help with this? Yes, 97 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: they basically say, you know, there's really nothing that we 98 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: can do. You can go to court, and you can 99 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: try to go to court, but they're just they're just 100 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: going to say you know, because of this resolution, there's 101 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: nothing that we can do pass this thing. The La 102 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: County Board of Supervisors and I called them, UM. That 103 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: district that the house is under is under held us 104 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: a lease. I called their their office, I told the 105 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: most situation. They said, okay, well call the Department of 106 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: Consumer Business Affairs. They may be able to mediate. I 107 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: call them UM and they say, you know what, sorry, 108 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: because of this resolution, the COVID nineteen tenant Protections resolution, 109 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: we can't do anything but talk about this money that 110 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: they wanted. Well, what happened was, you know, we had 111 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: they had the protection because the state had it last 112 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: year until the end of the year. So they filed 113 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: for that, like I said in my email, and they 114 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: had a protection for that until the end of March, 115 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: and as a April first, they had to start paying 116 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: rent on their own which they did because they knew 117 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: as of April first, if they didn't pay rent, we 118 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: could evict them, right And so then John and Ken 119 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: because we were so me and my brothers were just like, 120 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: oh my god, like, we can't we can't sell this home. 121 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: It's our home, it's our family home that we grew 122 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: up and it's our home, we own it. We cannot 123 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: we can't get these people out. So we're like, okay, 124 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: well we'll try to negotiate with them and get some 125 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: kind of maybe Okay, we have to pay them, let's 126 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: try to figure out a reasonable amount. Well, their attorney 127 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: came back and said, Okay, if you pay them forty 128 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, then they'll get out of the house in 129 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: sixteen sixty days. How much? How many people are in there, Catherine? 130 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: How many people are in there? I you know what, 131 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: even off the top of my head, I don't know. 132 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: It's a family. I don't know how many exactly? Well 133 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: what kind of family? Like, what are their ages? And 134 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: are their kids involved? I don't I don't know. Are 135 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: they working? Did they leave the place a mass? Are 136 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: they good tenants? No? So this is a deal, right, Um, 137 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,559 Speaker 1: this is a deal. So after my father passed away 138 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: in June of last year, you know, and my brothers 139 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna go ahead and 140 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: sell the house. But prior to that, when my mom 141 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: died in twenty eleven, my dad got super depressed, I 142 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: got really ill. We had to put him in a 143 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: care facility and we needed money to pay for the 144 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: care facility, because, as you know, these facilities can be very, 145 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: very expensive. So we rented out the house to these 146 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: tenants and they've been great. They've been great for all 147 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: these years, like ten years. They've paid rent, they took 148 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: care of the property, not a problem. Then when we 149 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: came to them and we said, hey, we're going to 150 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: sell because this is our family home and we, you know, 151 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: need to sell it. And you know, my brother, by 152 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: the way, who moved to Florida soon after my dad died, 153 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: he moved there. Hurricane came wiped out a big portion 154 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: of his roof. The house is at all loss. He 155 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: needs that money to help him and we can't we 156 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: can't access that money. Um, but these tenants have been 157 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: great until until we said, hey, you know what, we 158 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: need to sell the house. Well then we got a 159 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: letter saying, well, we really love your house and it's 160 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: in a great neighborhood and we can't find another house 161 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: it's comparable to yours that we can afford to rent 162 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: in the community. And then that we got hit with 163 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then it's not your problems. Are they 164 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: working as far as I know? Yeah, Okay, So they 165 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: don't have any kind of COVID issues, do they. I 166 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: don't know, John, I mean, I don't know if they're 167 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: all going to work, going to school or whatever they're doing. 168 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: They don't have any No, They just like what they got. 169 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: The rental markets tight. The rental markets always tight, inexpensive. 170 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: So have you raised the rent on them at all? 171 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: Over the years? We can only rented a certain amount 172 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: of a year LA County, you can. I think this 173 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: years old. I think they actually froze it, but I 174 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: think before that we can only raise it like four percent? 175 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: Do they owe you? And what's happened. What's happened over 176 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: the years is this house that we've rented, and we've 177 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: tried to be kind and helpful, but because there's restrictions 178 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: on that, we haven't really been able to raise it. 179 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: Choosing amount of money in the community, you can't be 180 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: kind and helpful to criminals. That's what these people are. 181 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: I don't care how nice they seem to be. They're 182 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: currently they're playing hardball, that's for sure, But what they're 183 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: doing is a scam. It's fraud. They're taking advantage to 184 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: get idiots held us a lease is allowing these fraudsters 185 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: to hold your house hostage when you and your family 186 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: needs the money for your own issues like your brothers 187 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: housing situation. That that's wrong and that's cruel, and he'ld 188 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: u s lease and the rest of these supervisors should 189 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: not be enabling these criminals with with this this phony COVID. 190 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: So let me ask, let me, let me, let me 191 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: tell you this. So, in talking to other people about it, 192 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: including my brother, you know, I'm thinking, like, how can 193 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: this happen? Right? How can how can people that own 194 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: their own home and be told you cannot evict people 195 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: to sell your own home? Like, how is it the 196 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: tenants have more rights than the people that own their 197 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: own property. It was like he basically said, you know what, 198 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: La County has a bad homelessness problem. So guess what 199 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: if you tell everybody they can't evict people, they don't 200 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,359 Speaker 1: have as many people to deal with they are as homeless. 201 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: And then people that own property and they can't you know, 202 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: they're not getting their money. They can't get these people out, 203 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: So guess what's going to happen over time? These people 204 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: are going to lose their property. Who's going to benefit 205 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: from that? I don't know. Maybe banks, the city of 206 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: the county. They're going to be able to have these 207 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: properties to do what they want. There's something there's something 208 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: corrupt going on because this none of these policies make 209 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: any sense. I don't know they benefit There's something corrupt 210 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: going on here. I never ever imagined that I would 211 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: be in this situation. I mean, I can't tell you. 212 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: My stomach is just sick. I'm sick at my stomach. 213 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: Is this is happening? All right? Katherine, Well, if we 214 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: hear from anybody that can help, you will forward the information. 215 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: But we really feel I want to just share really 216 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: quickly that, you know, letting people know out there that 217 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,239 Speaker 1: you're not alone, and to please contact the county supervisor 218 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: that covers your district and complain. And the only way 219 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: that we're going to make a difference in this situation 220 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: is speak up and be heard over and over again. 221 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: So please contact Ala County Board of Supervisors. Can I 222 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: give the fund number? Yeah? God please? Yeah? Two on 223 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: three nine seven four four one one one. I'm hoping 224 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: that some attorneys maybe hear this and we can start 225 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: a class action lawsuit against La County regarding this. It's 226 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: just unlivable. We live in a society now that tenants 227 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: have more vites than leasing. It seems unconstitutional that you 228 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: cannot sell your home after your tenants lease is expired. 229 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: That seems to be an abusive intrusion by the government 230 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: on private property. And I just cannot believe there is 231 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: an illegal way out of this. You just need the 232 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: right attorney. All right, Katherine, thank you very much. We 233 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: got to go, and we'll keep us posted on your 234 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: end too, and if we get anything there. Hey, you 235 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: know what, thanks so much, John and Ken. I really 236 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: really appreciate you allowing you to share my story. Okay, 237 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: that's listener, Catherine, and quickly again, it's a situation where 238 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: they have a family house they want to sell, but 239 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: the tenants will not leave, and thanks to La County's 240 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: tenant protections, especially due to COVID, which included in eviction 241 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: bands being extended, they can't get these people out of 242 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: the house. More coming up, we're going to talk now 243 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,119 Speaker 1: with Sam Kinons. He wrote a piece for Los Angeles Magazine. 244 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: It is comprehensive about why we have so much homelessness 245 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, not only the history of it, how 246 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: we got here, but how deep and widespread the problem 247 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: is and why it is extremely depressing and dispiriting. There 248 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: parts of it that it's hard to believe that all 249 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: this has actually happened. Yeah, he makes the case that 250 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: LA's homelessness crisis response has actually spread across the country. 251 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: You see the same response adapted in many other parts 252 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: of southern California and even in other states, and it 253 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: is a horrible response. He spent a lot of time 254 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: talking to a woman by the name of Estella Lopez, 255 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: who works for what they call a business improvement district 256 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: which encompasses skid row. And that's got to be quite 257 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: the job. But I'll read you one paragraph before we 258 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: talked to Sam. In Lopez's view, what created today's skid 259 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: row includes municipal abandonment combined with meth amphetamine, the abdication 260 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: of drug addiction and mental illness treatment, misguided charity, and 261 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: the city settlement of court cases that in practice now 262 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: limited enforcement of laws governing drug sales, street habitation, pimping, 263 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: and assaults. In recent years, skid row homelessness, marked by 264 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: meth abuse in tents has spread across southern California and 265 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: many parts of the US. By twenty eighteen, tents. He's 266 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: emerged in mid Wilshire, Santa Monica Highland Park, South Central 267 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: and a long freeways. A strip of tents on Venice 268 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: Beach has actually become known to locals as I've never 269 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: heard this one. John Methlehem, Bethlehem, Bethlehem. It's Methleham. All right, 270 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: let's get Sam Cutone's aunt. Sam welcome, How are you 271 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: very well? Thank you for having me on your show. 272 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: This is an astonishing article that you wrote here. I can't, 273 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't imagine how much work you put 274 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: into this, how much you've seen with your own eyes. 275 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: There's so many different things we want to ask you. 276 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: Why why is it You've made it clear that a 277 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: huge component of this is the meth and the mental illness. 278 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: Why is everyone so resistant to addressing it? Why are 279 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: they are so afraid of the blowback from these homeless 280 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: advocates who only want housing. Why why are they so 281 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: afraid of them? It's clear to yeah, go ahead, Well, 282 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: I think it's it's in part because, um, a lot 283 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: of folks are afraid of stigmatizing homeless as drug abusers 284 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: and so on. That meaning that if people come to 285 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: view them as that they may then shy away from 286 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: various attempts to and approaches strategies to help them. My 287 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: feeling is that UM, that we need to address the 288 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: problem as it really is. UM. Housing costs are certainly 289 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: part of why people end up homeless and why people 290 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: have difficulty coming out of homelessness, but there's many, many 291 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: others that. Certainly drug addiction is a big one, and 292 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: certainly this methamphetament that's coming out of Mexico in the 293 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: last ten years. That my book The Least of Us, 294 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: which is the book that really broke this story UM, 295 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: talks about how the method, the way they're making met 296 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: down there in the last and years, really has created 297 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: a method phenomon that is very quickly creates symptoms of schizophrenia, paranoia, delusions, 298 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, this kind of thing, and very quickly leads 299 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: to kind of inability to guide one's life, and very 300 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: quickly then very often leads to homelessness. Even though when 301 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't lead to homelessness, if you end up homeless 302 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: for another reason, say in operation, you can't afford, say 303 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: aging out of foster care, of many different domestic violence, 304 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: although it's so prevalent now, the quantities of meth coming 305 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: out of Mexico are staggering, and that very quickly once 306 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: you're on the street. Meth is almost a way of 307 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: allowing you to fend for yourself while you're on the street. 308 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: End very quickly, then you fall into kind of a again, 309 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: the mess psychosis then makes it very difficult to get 310 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: out of homelessness. But the reason people I believe are 311 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: luctant to talk about this issue is because they feel 312 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: that if you if you, if you talk about home 313 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: a drug addiction and mental slash, mental illness as a 314 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: as a part of the of the reasons for and 315 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: the reasons why people are homeless and stay homeless, that 316 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: you will be stigmatizing them and the people will be 317 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: less willing to help them this kind of thing. I 318 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: think that's probably not true, But certainly, even if it is, 319 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: we need to address this as it really is not 320 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: as we kind of wish it were. That. I mean, 321 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: that just doesn't seem rational to me. They're out there, 322 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: their brains are fried by this meth. It is producing 323 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: schizophrenic like symptoms. It's clear that's what's occurring. Everybody sees 324 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: it almost every day. You have you have to treat this, 325 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: this this horrible conditions. You need you need sort of conservativeship, 326 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: You need to be able to take these people in 327 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: for treatment because clearly they don't have the wherewithal to 328 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: seek it. They're just so they're just so strong out. Yeah, 329 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: I think that's that's some of the you know, the 330 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: synthetic drugs that are coming out of Mexico. As the 331 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: saying on the street goes, um, they change everything. And um, 332 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: one of the things they do change is is whether 333 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: or not people are actually able to make rational decisions 334 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: in a tent encampment where they're living in in where 335 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: they're they're maybe freezing to death. Certainly in some parts 336 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: of the country there's a very common um losing losing 337 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: digits to frostbite, where they're being pimped out, beaten, um, 338 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: living without sanitation, et cetera, et cetera. And you find 339 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: people still saying, no, I don't want to leave, or no, 340 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm flying here, and and and a lot of this 341 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: has to do with the with the prevalence, the enormous 342 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: prevalence and supply of the two synthetic drugs that really 343 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: typify our synthetic drug era, which we are fully in 344 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: right now, um, which are sentinel and enough of sentiment, 345 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: and and it does call into question whether people actually 346 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: have the ability to make a rational decision. I was 347 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: in southern Indiana recently and a few several months ago, 348 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: and I'm talking with a woman there who is who 349 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: whose daughter literally froze to death rather than leave the 350 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: tent encaunpment. She had a five year old at home, 351 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: her mother was raising the five year old. She would 352 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: beg her daughter to come leave the cold. This was 353 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: in January, and the girl wouldn't do it. Two weeks later, 354 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: the mother got a call that she had frozen to 355 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: that This kind of thing is really calls into question 356 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: whether or not we need what like issues of commitment. 357 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: You know, how how can we commit people who are 358 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: are really not functioning for themselves or a danger to 359 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: certainly to themselves and quite possibly to others at times? 360 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: Can you hang on, Sam? Sure? All right? This is 361 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: Sam Canonis, a writer for LA magazine. A wrote quite 362 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: a story you have to read about LA's skin row 363 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: and how the way it's been addressed by LA politicians 364 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: and activists has made it spread to other parts of 365 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: southern California, other parts of the country. Here's another great paragraph. 366 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: The loudest narrative on homelessness comes from far left activists. 367 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: That homelessness is caused by how high housing prices, and 368 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: the only solution is to is affordable permanent housing. Until 369 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: enough of that is built, people should be allowed to 370 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: occupy sidewalks. Those with other ideas have been cowed into silence. 371 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: I think that sums up perfectly the problem, and that's 372 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: what we've seen for too many years. Now we'll talk more. 373 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: This is at LA Magazine, lamag dot com, Johnny Kent's 374 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: show KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 375 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: We're talking with Sam Kennez, a writer for Los Angeles Magazine. 376 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: You go to lamag dot com and there's a long article, 377 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: fascinating but it's a good read. Skid row nition how 378 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: LA's homelessness crisis response has spread as the country. So 379 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 1: it's a great read. It's very detailed one. It's one 380 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: of you just don't see often enough. You've talked about 381 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: Michael Schellenberger. He writes from the same perspective, but it's 382 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: rare that you find this. And the paragraph I just 383 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: read is that the activists they control the argument. Most 384 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: of the time. They shout the loudest, and the politicians 385 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: tend to bend their way and their solutions are horrible. 386 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: This idea of housing first one you really in many cases, 387 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: especially with skid Roll and other parts of the city, 388 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: you have a real like drug problem with method just 389 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: out of control. Let's get Sam back on here. Following 390 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: up on the paragraph, can read here's another line that 391 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: you wrote. Activists have picketed the homes of elected officials, 392 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: screaming obscenities through bullhorns, egging the houses of some homeless. 393 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: Activists twice shouted down the city council over the summer 394 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: as they were prohibiting tent encampments within five hundred feet 395 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: of schools and daycare centers. Yet they had to get 396 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: police and riot helmets. These protester's revaulting over barriers. What 397 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: explains the vicious anger of these activists, it's I don't 398 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: understand why they're this enraged and they get and I'm 399 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: not sure I'm actually the guy to explain it to you. 400 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: I have to tell you. I don't. I'm not. I mean, 401 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: in some cases I suspect it's it's youth. You know, 402 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: and and and youth as prone to rebellion and this 403 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Um. But honestly, it all I'm trying 404 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: to describe what I see. I went to one of those. 405 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: I went to the first of those council meetings and um, 406 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: and it was remarkable, And then the second one was 407 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 1: even more remarkable. Should we say? And I but I 408 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: you know exactly. I think it gets beyond wanting compassion. 409 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: There seems to me at times people who are kind 410 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: of wanting to show how radical they are want rebellious there. 411 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: But truthfully, I think you'd have to. You'd have to. 412 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: I haven't really interviewed any of the answer. I really don't. 413 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: I can't answer your question very intelligently. I'm a friend. 414 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: Well see, and let's talk about this part of what 415 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: you wrote. permitI supportive housing, and it's become the mantra 416 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. This idea is no 417 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: good anymore about shelters. The activists and a lot of 418 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: the politicians don't like that. They want permitive supportive housing. 419 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: Talk about what you wrote concerning you know what that 420 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: in reality is, well, permanent supportive housing is the idea 421 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: that you would give people housing build people, housing for 422 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: people that would also include a variety of services, job counseling, 423 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: addiction treatment for any of things like that. And the 424 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: trip is as many people I spoke to said, that's 425 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: not a bad idea if it comes after a continuum 426 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: of other forms of housing that lead you out of 427 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: the street and are more like more control holed. But 428 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: the problem with permanent supportive housing as it works now, 429 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: it seems, is that people are taken from the street 430 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: directly to this kind of housing, and this kind of 431 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: housing them they're allowed to use drugs. There's no there's 432 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: no stabilization of these folks beforehand. So there needs to 433 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: be a couple of stages, maybe at three or so 434 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: even before in the minds of people I talked to, 435 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: before you get the permanent support of housing. You just 436 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: can't put someone from a tent and put them into 437 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: permanent supportive housing and expected on the whole that will 438 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: lead to a successful recovery from drug addiction or of 439 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: problems with mental illness. You need stages, and so they're 440 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: just But the problem is the idea. People don't like 441 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: the idea of you put putting people in in in 442 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: the housing that may be controlled where they're their actions 443 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: may be a control That that I think is there 444 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: is there any good way to get past what people 445 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: like or don't like, or what they believe, especially when 446 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: it comes from these crazy activist groups, because what they 447 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: are promoting is unrealistic in some cases simply doesn't work. 448 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: I mean, when are we going to get past everybody's 449 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: feelings and look at what's exactly happening in the world, 450 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: Because unless we get that, that's a great question. Again, 451 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't think as a reporter, I'm the guy to 452 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: answer it for you. That's I think. Um uh yeah, 453 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: I would basically leave it at that. I'm you know, 454 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to report the story as I see it. 455 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: Where where this all leads, where it ends, where how 456 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: it will be resolved, that kind of thing. Um, I'll 457 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: I guess I'll report on it when Yeah, I mean 458 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: you quote the city Controller Ron Galprin's report that less 459 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: than twelve hundred units have been produced in five years. 460 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: Estimated costs for several projects exceeds seven hundred thousand dollars 461 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: per unit. They haven't They've hardly built any transitional housing 462 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: to get them detailed. That's the problem. I think that 463 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: offering a lot of minds of people. The problem is 464 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: really what you just said, that there's no transitional housing. 465 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: There's no taking people from the street and getting them 466 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: into a more controlled environment where they are away from dope, 467 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: where they are able to kind of stabilize. And then 468 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: that kind of transitional housing can take several forms, and 469 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: then eventually at the end of all that, a permanent 470 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: supportive housing option may be a very very effective way, 471 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem to be to work well if 472 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: you're just taking a person right out of the tent 473 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: and putting them right into a permanent supportive housing where 474 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: in fact there is no rule about whether or not 475 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: they can use drugs, and so many oftentimes people end 476 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: up using drugs while they're in this permanent supportive housing. 477 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: You know, it just seems like the city government is 478 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: completely collapsed, that they just aren't capable of doing any 479 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: of this. You can write eloquently and you have about 480 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: the ideal, but they can't do anything that seems to 481 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: be useful. It's it's it's an interesting, So I answer 482 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: that it's an it's an interesting um stalemate. It seems 483 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: has has affected city Hall, where a lot of politicians 484 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: are very afraid of the I of activists, um, mainly 485 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: because they're full timers. They don't stop, they're always, you know, 486 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: they're not they don't have another job, essentially. And and 487 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: number two, it seems to me that that on the 488 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: other side, there's a lot of people who look at 489 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: look at our tent encountants, look at what's happening in 490 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: are you know, along the freeways or in mon Ventas 491 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: Beach or everywhere we see it all over, and wonder 492 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: how on earth this is okay, How on earth this 493 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: is a proper result, use the result that we want. 494 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people are beginning to 495 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: really see this is I can be a very compassionate person, 496 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: but I don't see how in minds of a lot 497 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: of people. I don't see how what I'm seeing on 498 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: the street equals compassion. Yeah, and so we're running out 499 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: of time. Sam, you wrote another good part here because 500 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: I know this is part of your research about the 501 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: drugs in particularly meth, and you talk here about how 502 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen the traffickers in Mexico mastered something called 503 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: P two P which allowed them to make far more 504 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: of the drug and make it even more potent, and 505 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: the price really dropped, and this had a big effect 506 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: on places like skid Row. Yeah. P two P is 507 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: the is an ingredient in one way of making metham studdlement. 508 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: That's a fairly old method. They didn't need to use 509 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: it because they had another ingredient for another method is 510 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: far easier for a long time. But now the Mexican 511 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: government put the kabash on on matting ingredient, and so 512 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: they switch to this method of making methem vetoment that 513 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: requires this ingredient called P two P. The one benefit 514 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: really to them of this is that if you have 515 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: the chemicals, you can you can make P two P yourself. 516 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: You don't need any any the chemo actual chemical, and 517 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: you can make it in such enormous quantities that you 518 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: can then just dwarf any any production that you used 519 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: to make with the other methods with the other method, 520 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: you can make it with P two P. And so 521 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: what you're finding is the supplies out of Mexico since 522 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: OZ nine, but really since about twenty twelve thirteen, when 523 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: there was a widespread mastery of this method, have spread 524 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: in quantities that they're just staggering all across the country 525 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: where where Mexican methempvetamen never used to reach, say before 526 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen. You're seeing it in Kentucky, you're 527 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: seeing in Vermont, You're seeing it in various places all 528 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: across the country. But one of the first places it 529 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: landed in a huge way was skid Row, LA in 530 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: about twenty thirteen. By twenty fifteen, people in the streets 531 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: their constance on tell me that by twenty fifteen it 532 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: had actually replaced crack as the dominant drug on skid Row, 533 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: which crack had been in charge kind of skid Row 534 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: for thirty years at that point. And now it's really 535 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: a secondary importance. Meth is the thing because the supplies 536 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: out of Mexico are so just staggering, there's so much 537 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: of it, and and that's why on the street very 538 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: often it is almost free. The problem is, of course, 539 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: it creates these symptoms of as I was saying, of schizophrenia, 540 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: and it's doing so wherever wherever this meth reached, as 541 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: it reached across the country, whenever it reached say into 542 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: Kentucky or into West Virginiana, what have you, you found 543 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: it created homelessness, and it also created this rapid onset 544 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: symptoms of schizophrenia big basically meth and douce psychosis. All right, Sam, 545 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: we gotta go, will we Thank you so much for 546 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: talking to us. Lamag dot com is where you can 547 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: find Sam Knona's story, skid Rownation, how LA's homelessness crisis 548 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: response spread across the country. Thanks for talking to us, 549 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: My pleasure, guys. Thank you. All right, more coming up 550 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: John and Ken Show KFI AM six forty live everywhere 551 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: in the iHeartRadio app. All right, well it's happened again. 552 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: I looked at this story and I said, wait a minute, 553 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: is this the same guy? Didn't we do this story 554 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago because it's about a cannibal 555 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: in Germany? And sure enough, it is a separate case. 556 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: Germany has privacy rules when it comes to your legal rights, 557 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: so sometimes you could actually be arrested, put on trial 558 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: and there's not allowed. They're not allowed to cover it 559 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: the media, and then they kind of put out the 560 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: results sometime later. So a forty two year old man 561 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: only identified as Stephen R. It has been announced, was 562 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: found guilty for killing another and in a cannibalistic fantasy 563 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: situation yes. Uh, the defendant killed a forty three old mechanic. 564 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, this guy was a forty two 565 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: year old teacher. He was convicted of murder. He got 566 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: life in prison. Uh. This happened September twenty twenty. According 567 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: to the story, they met on a dating portal and 568 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: agreed to meet for sex at the teacher's apartment to Berlin. 569 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: Then I got to say, the mechanic, you're asking for it. 570 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: You meet strange guys on a on an internet site, 571 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: you're asking to be eaten. You really are a lot 572 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: of people meet, yes, and so if something bad happens, 573 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: it's like your fault, your mind, strangers on the internet, 574 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: it's it's probably low odds, but you're right, you're a fault. 575 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: You put yourself in play there, somebody eat you up. 576 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: It's a pandemic. How people are going to meet in 577 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: person as much? You don't. You just don't. Uh yeah, 578 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: well apparently they Well I don't know whether or not 579 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: they had sex. But he killed him and then he 580 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: chopped him up. Would you rather be lonely or have 581 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: be dinner? And he spread the parts in different neighborhoods 582 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: in Berlin. Police spent weeks looking for the missing mechanic, 583 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: but they found some bones in a forest. So and 584 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: what what did heat? What parts did he eat? It 585 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: doesn't this story, I'd have to look for. The version 586 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: I have from Associated Press doesn't give those kind of 587 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: like if you would eat a person, what would you eat? Nothing? Well, 588 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: you think about the best parts on a chicken or 589 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: even a steak. I don't know, it's chicken cow. It's 590 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: the legs and the breasts. I think you're getting the idea, right. 591 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: There are guys that eat brains, which is like yeah, 592 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: but on a cow it's it's like the mid section. Ah, 593 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: that's true. You don't eat cuts, are right? Yeah? Right? 594 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean the loin there is oh right, Uh, you 595 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: know what? And Germany's kind of soft. They had to 596 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: formally declare this was a particularly grave crime, which means 597 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: he is not entitled to automatic prole after fifteen years. 598 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: That'stinarian German for murderous. I guess yes, let me see 599 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: what happens with I was right. In two thousand and six, 600 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: a German court did convict another man who was named 601 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: arm and use of murder and disturbing They call it 602 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: disturbing the peace of the dead. That's another charge. He 603 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: is still in prison. You go on a German data 604 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: and there was a third one. A German police officer 605 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: was convicted of murdering twenty fifteen for killing a man 606 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: he met in an internet chat room devoted to cannibalism. 607 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: See that's why I wonder if you meet somebody in 608 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: a portal or a chatroom is devoted to cannibalism. Oh, 609 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: the chat room, I don't know about that. In this case, 610 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 1: it just said it was a dating portal. It didn't 611 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: say it was cannibalism. I'm referring to a twenty fifteen 612 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: case where it was an Internet chat for him devoted 613 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: to get to complain. If you went on a cannibalism 614 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: website and then you agreed to meet up and you 615 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: get eaten, why then you're pissed off? You got to eating? 616 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: All right? We got more covered up, John and Ken show. 617 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: Let's get the latest from the CAFI newsroom. CAF I 618 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: am six forty. 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