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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death presents External Exams with Nicole and Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: Recently, on Mother Knows Death, we talked about the unfortunate

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Speaker 2: death of Mike Williams, who was a former NFL player,

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Speaker 2: and he had died from multiple brain absesses and stepsist

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Speaker 2: due to a dental infection and poor hygiene. So I

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Speaker 2: thought today it would be perfect if we talked to

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Speaker 2: a specialist. So please welcome doctor Stephen Lynn. Hi, how are.

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Speaker 3: You hey, Van, Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Lynn is a functional dentist, author of best selling

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Speaker 2: book called The Dental Diet, and he is also known

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Speaker 2: for his podcast The Mouth Brain Connection and his Instagram

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Speaker 2: account at doctor Stephen Lynn. And you have some awesome

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Speaker 2: videos on there and stuff. So I'm really trying to

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Speaker 2: point people to your Instagram account because I learned so

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Speaker 2: much from your Instagram, so it's really awesome. But before

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Speaker 2: we get into this particular case and what you're doing

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Speaker 2: with your book and social media, can you first tell

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Speaker 2: us how you decided that you wanted to be a dentist.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so, I mean I was always actually instagind of sports.

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Speaker 3: We have a code of football equaled rugby in Australia,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of like NFL, and I played that

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Speaker 3: liked sports. I thought I wanted to get into kind

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Speaker 3: of physio kind of things, but I found that I

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Speaker 3: actually was more kind of inclined into the medical sciences.

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Speaker 3: And I applied to both medical and dental school and

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Speaker 3: got into both. But the mouth really drew me in

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Speaker 3: because of the hands on aspect of it. So I

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Speaker 3: found that the dentist school was much more connected to

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Speaker 3: this kind of hands on connection both the patient but

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Speaker 3: me into the dentistry itself. And then I got kind

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Speaker 3: of hooked with the whole connection between the mouth and

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Speaker 3: the entire body, and in particular, which is actually really

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Speaker 3: interesting about this case is the connection between the mouth

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Speaker 3: and the brain, which is actually the cause of death

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Speaker 3: with the case that you spoken about, And that's actually

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Speaker 3: what I've been following, yes, my whole career, which is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds cool. So when you so you went

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Speaker 2: through a dental school and everything, which is is a

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly how dental school works. Do you

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Speaker 2: have to do like a residency type thing once you graduate?

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Speaker 2: How does that work?

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Speaker 3: So in some countries you do, like I think in

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Speaker 3: do a residency. But for in Australia, I did a

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Speaker 3: postgraduate degree, so I first studied biomedical sciences and then

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Speaker 3: I went into a postgraduate dental doctorate degree where you

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Speaker 3: go out into private practice once you graduate. And yes,

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Speaker 3: so like that's kind of where my career started, and

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Speaker 3: you're right into the dental education is very vigorous and

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Speaker 3: it's very time intensity, and then you're kind of looking

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Speaker 3: you're through the hard thing. But I found that through

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Speaker 3: my career. But there's a lot of questions popping up

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Speaker 3: experiencing with both crooked tee, nutritional issues decay that weren't

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Speaker 3: into a kind of a deeper investigation as to why

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Speaker 3: diff diseases occur, and actually led into the work of

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Speaker 3: a dentist that went around the world in the nineteen

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Speaker 3: thirties trying to connect how nutrition was driving them deenteral

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Speaker 3: disease that we see today. You know, deatal diseases can

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be dying from detal infections, So why is this happening?

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Speaker 3: And there's actually a big connection into nutrition and to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really crazy with this case because this guy,

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Speaker 2: He was really bad. Gets to the hospital and they

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Speaker 2: and it's just it's so unfortunate to think that way.

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Speaker 2: But since I don't really know if you're familiar with

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of time, and I'm even

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Speaker 2: it's a ten dollars copay, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's I think that that's a problem in

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Speaker 3: A problem everywhere, because I mean, the problem is the

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Speaker 3: we know that the bacteria, for instance, in the mouth

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Speaker 3: connects to heart conditions, So inflammation in the gums can

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Speaker 3: But they also show that ND stage periodonal disease will

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Speaker 3: So if he had prevented his work again prevented nutrition work.

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Speaker 3: If they found those inflammatory markers, it could have all

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Speaker 2: It's weird because when I was in PA school, one

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Speaker 2: it's weird that in medicine though it's not counted that way.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, these are these pretty little cosmetic things

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Speaker 2: like leaky gut and microbiome and stuff, and I know,

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Speaker 2: you just don't really think about that. I guess it

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Speaker 2: starts in the mouth and then that's how it ends

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Speaker 2: up causing paw pathology. In the rest of the body really.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and leaky gut and intestinal permeability is one of

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Speaker 3: picking up a fabin two. Even on kids shows, if

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Speaker 3: you watched everything they are shown that is healthy is

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Speaker 3: all fruits and vegetables, and there's nothing about eating meat.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think there's something about the psyche there

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Speaker 3: with kids that they're kind of a little bit turned

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Speaker 3: off me in the sense. But then the other thing

439
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Speaker 3: too is that the digestive system, it's very energy intensive

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Speaker 3: to digest meat, and for a child that hasn't eaten

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Speaker 3: kind of animal products for some time, or they've been

442
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Speaker 3: offered or they've had a condition where it's like it's

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Speaker 3: affected their diet, it's like we have to kind of

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Speaker 3: think of a strategy to get the digest digestive system

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Speaker 3: will working so that they want to eat meat because

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Speaker 3: they want to eat it. It's just that their body

447
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Speaker 3: needs to kind of have the messaging rights so that

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Speaker 3: so that they feel like they can. Because a person

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Speaker 3: that is, for instance, transitioning off a vegan to vegetarian

450
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Speaker 3: diet will feel almost adverse to meat by the smells

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Speaker 3: and by the father the digestic pain they have from

452
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Speaker 3: doing that. So it's quite a process. So we need

453
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Speaker 3: to think about how we get the digestive system work,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes we need to digestive enzymes and so forth

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Speaker 3: that help to break down food because meats are broken

456
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Speaker 3: down in the small intestine, so it's very quick in

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Speaker 3: terms of the digestive process, doesn't go into the larger

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Speaker 3: tests on. All of the nutrients are extracted from the

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Speaker 3: smaller testine, and this requires bile release from the liver.

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Speaker 3: So when a person doesn't eat a lot of meat,

461
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Speaker 3: you don't get a lot of bile release just by

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Speaker 3: the functionality of it. So we have to prime all

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Speaker 3: that to happen against So sometimes digestive enzymes. Sometimes things

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Speaker 3: like you know, as the start of an apple cider

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Speaker 3: being here just before just before meals, like a very

466
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Speaker 3: diluted shot of it can help you because we're trying

467
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Speaker 3: to think of the acinity of the stummach. But supplements

468
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Speaker 3: can help, especially in children. The the kind of most

469
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Speaker 3: definitive way to kind of correct this kind of stuff

470
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Speaker 3: and children is kind of beef liver, so des scated

471
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Speaker 3: beef liver. You can somehow anyway sneak that into something

472
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Speaker 3: that will give them this the full spectrum. I think

473
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Speaker 3: it's difficult otherwise I believe this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I meet her a smoothie once and I

475
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Speaker 2: snuck two pieces of let spinach in it, just with

476
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Speaker 2: the fruit, and she picked it up that it was off,

477
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Speaker 2: like it's hard to just like make it strawberry smoothie

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Speaker 2: and just put some like beef liver in there. She

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Speaker 2: just you know what I mean, Like I just think her, no.

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Speaker 3: No, totally, I'm totally Lydio. Like it's like we so

481
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Speaker 3: I would use to give cod lit royle to our kids.

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Speaker 3: I would just pour it in their milk when they

483
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Speaker 3: were younger, and like they're all onto it now, like

484
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Speaker 3: that that they washed me at the fridge and they're

485
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Speaker 3: like if I pour anything in their milk, they're smelling it.

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Speaker 3: And it's like and like so and they're they're under five, right,

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Speaker 3: so I can't do it anymore. So it's like we

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Speaker 3: have to sneak it in by a kind of beef

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Speaker 3: mince and like it's it's really really hard, and like

490
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Speaker 3: it's because their palates are kind of shooted to this

491
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Speaker 3: modern part of your Blander diet. You know, liber tastes

492
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Speaker 3: really strange, so it's hard supplementation can work. So if

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Speaker 3: we know, for instance, child's lower vitamin D. Bottom of

494
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Speaker 3: D supplementation should be an absolute muscaus we know that

495
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Speaker 3: we know that there's there's benefits there both to kind

496
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Speaker 3: of raise the levels, but then for the all subsequent

497
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Speaker 3: issues that associated with auto immune issues. For instance, I'd

498
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Speaker 3: be looking to get her levels you know up, you know,

499
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Speaker 3: probably between sixty to eighty nagres fermiller lea, which which

500
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Speaker 3: macing quite high, but we would want to see her

501
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Speaker 3: autoimmune markers come right down. And you have to remember

502
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Speaker 3: too that vitamin D also runs the immune system as well,

503
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Speaker 3: so it actually there's on every immune cell there's a

504
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Speaker 3: vitamin D receptor, and so once the immune system gets

505
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Speaker 3: enough vitamin D, it calms down, so all of the

506
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Speaker 3: inflammatory autoimmune messages calm down. So the body needs enough

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Speaker 3: vitamin D to come instant down first, but then once

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Speaker 3: it gets enough, then it has to go to work

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Speaker 3: to start mineralizing the teeth and start mineralizing the bones.

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Speaker 3: So you need an adequate vitamin D and support nutrients

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Speaker 3: in order for the body to then start to work

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Speaker 3: on the teeth. First thing is to get the inflammatory

513
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Speaker 3: markets down, the digestive issues and the autoimmune markers. But

514
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: then the teeth there it did come later. So high

515
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Speaker 3: vitamin D levels is where we want to go with

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Speaker 3: its support nutrients. Vitamin D should always be taken with

517
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Speaker 3: vitamin K two. We should be thinking about some kind

518
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: of vitamin A potentially because it's a partner with bottom D.

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Speaker 3: And then the big one that I'm seeing a lot

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Speaker 3: in kids especially don't a lot of meat is iron levels.

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Speaker 3: So iron is off solow in kids today and it

522
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Speaker 3: affects their sleep. And then so with iron, just putting

523
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Speaker 3: iron is difficult. So you need B twelve, you need

524
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Speaker 3: FOLL eight, you need the active B vitamins. And one

525
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: thing that affects these is the mt hf ar gene.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard of that one?

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Speaker 2: I think I've heard of it, But do you want

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Speaker 2: to do you want to explain it?

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Speaker 3: So the mt hf bar gene is a methylation gene.

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Speaker 3: And what it does is it's a very simple swab

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Speaker 3: test that you can get very commonly in America. It's

532
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Speaker 3: very easy to get. And what it tells you is

533
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Speaker 3: is a couple of the genes that sometimes gets switched

534
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Speaker 3: shop epigenetically. So it's not like in our inheritance. It's

535
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Speaker 3: it's like in our environment. And what these mt hf

536
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Speaker 3: bar genes too, is they methyl a path nutrient pathways.

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Speaker 3: So if a child or an adult has mpthffar, their

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Speaker 3: nutrient pathways don't work very well. And these include the

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Speaker 3: FOLL eight pathway, the B twelve pathway, and the B

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Speaker 3: six pathway. And what happens is that they don't efficiently

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Speaker 3: take in these b viottaments. So you eat and you

542
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: can get these from plant foods, but they don't efficiently

543
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Speaker 3: convert them into their active forms. Then you get these

544
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Speaker 3: systems that are all gummed up and they're not working

545
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Speaker 3: with they have deficiencies, but they also have the build

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Speaker 3: up of what's called Homer's system, and that's something to

547
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Speaker 3: check as well. So when you have high homers system,

548
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Speaker 3: that's an inflammatory marker that means your body and your

549
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Speaker 3: liver is basically kind of trying to deal with this

550
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Speaker 3: methylation pathways that aren't working very well. The end stage

551
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Speaker 3: is often iron deficiency because iron requires all these be

552
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Speaker 3: nutrients to work. But if a child has mp HFPAR,

553
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Speaker 3: you can supplement the methylated sub the methylated bees that

554
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Speaker 3: help the pathways move and the whole thing just works better.

555
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: So the child is completely free of the problems of

556
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: the medipulation issue. Now that helps their metabolism start to work.

557
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: Then we can start to okay, so iron levels will

558
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Speaker 3: hopefully start to come up because their bes are working

559
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Speaker 3: a bit better. Then we can start working on the

560
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Speaker 3: fats of the vitamins, which are the real stores, the D,

561
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Speaker 3: the A, the K two that help to kind of

562
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Speaker 3: build the bone, build and build them and build the

563
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Speaker 3: teeth as well. One thing too with palatal expansion is

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Speaker 3: that often you get sleep issues. So when a child

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Speaker 3: has a narrow pallet, they struggle to breathe through the

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Speaker 3: nose at night and this will manifest with mouth breathing,

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Speaker 3: teeth grinding restlessly, bed wetting, night terrors. So poor sleep

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Speaker 3: and poor sleep will make all of everything we just

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Speaker 3: spoke about worse because the child can't get rest and

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Speaker 3: they are in an autonomic fight or flight sleep pattern.

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Speaker 3: So doing expansion and building and teaching the child to

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Speaker 3: breach or nose at night and giving them the structure

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Speaker 3: to help all of this as well. So when we

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Speaker 3: work with the nutrients, when we work on the structure,

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Speaker 3: then the child then starts to be kind of a

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Speaker 3: bit different because they're sleeping, they're feeling a bit better

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Speaker 3: because they're rested. Like imagine choking all night, which a

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Speaker 3: lot of children and adults are doing. Now that's what

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Speaker 3: sleep out here is, and how you feel in the morning.

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Speaker 3: You feel anxious, right, and you don't feel like kind

581
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: of your digestive system doesn't work because your brain doesn't

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Speaker 3: get to restep that through the night. So a lot

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Speaker 3: of this is based in sleep and how all these

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Speaker 3: things tied together to make us feel.

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648
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Speaker 2: get from going outside and being in the sun, right.

649
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 3: That's somewhat's important.

650
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: Do you think that this like huge movement because if

651
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: you ever go to one of the events like at

652
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: my kid's school or something, for instance, every parent's out

653
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: there like spraying all this suntan lotion on their skin,

654
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: do you think that that has some kind of effect

655
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: as to what's getting absorbed?

656
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: It absolutely does. So vitom D is a very complex

657
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: pathway to get to its active form. From some it

658
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: also involves the different rays of lights that you have

659
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: at different at the different times of day. So when

660
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: you don't expose yourself, and I think this also concludes

661
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: when you the age of exposure, so you don't get

662
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 3: exposure to sunlight when you're young, you don't have systems

663
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: right to be able to absorb bottom D to its

664
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: active form, And so that one of the big factors

665
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: to is cholesterol. So cholesterol is what is the precursor

666
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 3: to vitamin D. Precursors store in the in the skin

667
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: and you have the cluster. You have this clusteral precursor

668
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: in the skin. Light hits that precursor and then it

669
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: travels to the liver to be converted to button the D.

670
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: Then it has to go to the kidney where it's

671
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: activated with magnesium to become the active form of vitamin D.

672
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: If you don't eat, if you don't have a fat

673
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: heavy diet, and you you will have these these reactions

674
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: to somewhight lay burning. So it's like in my kids,

675
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: what I've done is like I've kind of made sure

676
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: they've had a lot of fat heavy meat products and

677
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: butters and eggs and everything. They go out in the

678
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 3: sun out and they're like, you know, they've barely been burned.

679
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: But we live in Australia and the Australian uv is

680
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: very strong. We obviously don't fry them. But if they

681
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: get morning exposure where you can't burn in the morning,

682
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: right like you you just kind of get exposure. Your

683
00:37:54,200 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: body is primed for the the vitamin D creating which

684
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: is between ten and two PM, depending on your geographical

685
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: latitude then and your body is ready for us. So

686
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: it's like just covering up kids is like kind of

687
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 3: you know, not the solution because you're not letting them

688
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: go through this process of forming vitomin D. Yeah, they

689
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: need to be like if you live in the Arizona

690
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: Desert or something like that, they need to be covered

691
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 3: up here or there, But there has to be some

692
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: kind of consideration as to how they're also getting the

693
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: nutrient as well.

694
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been trying to. I kind of have switched

695
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: my tune. I used to be this like because I

696
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 2: work in pathology, so I see cancer all the time.

697
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: So I'm like always scared about this, and I think

698
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: that there's just we in medicine in general, we go

699
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: through these extremes that like, Okay, it's been known that

700
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: sunlight causes cancer, so just like, don't ever have sun

701
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: exposure again, and and there's a fine balance. So I

702
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: have been this year. I've been. I bought half, if

703
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: not seventy five percent as much of suntown loation as

704
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: I normally do, and I let the kids go out

705
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: in the pool for a couple hours and they come

706
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: in and go out and come in and we have

707
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: we didn't have one sunburn at all that that had

708
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: to be addressed. But they got a nice tand on

709
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: their skin. And also I'm like they're getting they're getting

710
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: what they need from the sun. So I was just

711
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: curious on your thoughts about that because a lot of

712
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: people are just so anti letting, you know, letting your

713
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: kids be outside without suntann lotion on.

714
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a fact that luckily me think if

715
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: your children all they have any sun to bottom data deficiency,

716
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: likely any kind of tathe, any kind of you know,

717
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: inflamma autommdication, they need sunlight, they don't need it, and

718
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: you have to be kind of mindful on kids skins gentle. Right,

719
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: So like here, of course you'll think about protection everything,

720
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: but one strategy that's kind of quite safe is like

721
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 3: if parents are really nervous about it, take them out

722
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: into the sunlight before ten am, because like before ten

723
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: they're not going to burn, Like it's at the angle

724
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: of the sun is you know, they're not going to burn.

725
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: Watch how the skin reacts to it, and like, you know,

726
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: feel comfortable because I know it's you know, it's a

727
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: little bit kind of nerve racking, like thinking about burns

728
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 3: and cancers and so forth. But give them a few

729
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: days where they just go out into a full sun

730
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: exposure before ten am and see how the skin reacts,

731
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe take it to a eleven am

732
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: after that and then see, you know how they react

733
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: to that, because some kids will burn easier and they

734
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: have to be watched. So that might be a way

735
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: to kind of step into it.

736
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: Well, getting back to what we were talking about with

737
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: the with the leaky gut and the microbiome and everything,

738
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: what do you think about oral allergy syndrome. It's something

739
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: that it's a weird thing that I had when I

740
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: was a kid. Well I still have it now, and

741
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: then one of my kids has it too. And my

742
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: mom always jokes because she breastfed until I was like

743
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: two years old, and she's just like, I did everything

744
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: right with you. I don't understand why you're allergic to everything.

745
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: And I I mean, I'm telling every single fruit and

746
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: vegetable I put my mouth like itches my mouth at

747
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: some point, but I still I still eat most of

748
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: them anyway, and I don't feel like it gives me

749
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: any additional problems, But especially with my little one, Like

750
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: I can't even really get her to eat vegetables unless

751
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: they're cooked. When they're cooked, it doesn't do it. I'm

752
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: just curious if that's part of that whole process or

753
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: if that's a whole other thing.

754
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: I would say it's related. So when so when we're

755
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: thinking about ton of algy, it's like your body telling

756
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: you I'm not licking that right, So like obviously we'd

757
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: be listening to what, you know, it's kind of creating

758
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: those reactions because it's like your body's saying, you know,

759
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: I'm not that happy with that. But the the the

760
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 3: underlying cause is the is the good outline. So remembering

761
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: that the nine percent the mune system is down on

762
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: the gut when we have allergic reactions, so like stuff

763
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: like you know, like if people are too allergic, it's

764
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: their immune system that is not happy with the environment.

765
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: So it's like instead of thinking, you know, some people

766
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: have like true allergies where it's like you know, they're

767
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: kind of peed up there, kind of blow up and

768
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: so forth. Like that's there's a few kind of examples

769
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: of that, but things that are kind of like just

770
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: like inflammation like that, I kind of more think about

771
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 3: it as thats something going on with the immune system

772
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: that is that is not that making it not happy,

773
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 3: and it goes back to these deficiencies. It's like everyone

774
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: expresses this differently, and it's even the deficiencies are passed

775
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: from a breastfeeding mudler. So I'm really kind of tragically

776
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: seeing this in a lot of young kids now whose

777
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: parents are breastfeeding them and even feeding them, you know,

778
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: animal heavy diets, because it's like an every genetic thing

779
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 3: that is kind of related to both deficiencies in the parents.

780
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: So if the parents are deficient, if they don't have

781
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 3: adequate nutrients, it passes by the breast. The study show

782
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: that bottom and D deficiency will pass through the breast

783
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: look from mother to child. So it's like we're passing

784
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: on these these things that are slowly getting worse generationally.

785
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: And then so then and then if you eat the

786
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: modern diet you're going to get you keep going down

787
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: this track. So it really kind of takes a reconnection

788
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: to to you know, historical levels of bottom and D.

789
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: So like it means kind of eating like liver, like

790
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 3: it like it means bone broke, which is I know,

791
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: it turns like it's weird, right, Like, well.

792
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: It's just weird for me because I've done so many

793
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: autopsies and like i know, it has the smell and

794
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: the smell smell it smells the same and the cow

795
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: as it doesn't, you know what I mean, Like I

796
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: have like that weird correlation thing. But maybe I mean,

797
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: like I'm sure my dad ate it as a kid

798
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: and stuff and it was fine, you.

799
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, I mean that's totally yeah, because I've done

800
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: you know, had neck dissections and everything, and it's like, yeah,

801
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: but the flesh side of things in butt, you know,

802
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 3: when you're actually kind of touching in it everything, it's

803
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 3: a whole other thing than buying something off the supermarket shell,

804
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: which is probably actually part of you know, part of

805
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 3: the prostitute. We are a bit disconnected with how that

806
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: connection to you know, how food ridges a plate and

807
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 3: so forth. But yeah, like historically, if you look around,

808
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: like traditional cultures had organs and nose to tail eating

809
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: any cuisine around the world, it's no to tail, it's

810
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 3: like liver everything. It's like they treasured these these parts

811
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: of the animal because they knew they eat created healthy kids.

812
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: But they knew it and so the Native Americans, you know,

813
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: the buffalo. They would use every part of it, and

814
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: they would eat like the even the colon, like full

815
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: of of feces. Even they would they would give that

816
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: to females to eat because they knew the bacteria and

817
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: that would create good fertility and so forth. And the

818
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: men would eat the testicles and so forth, because it's

819
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: full testosterone and the vats of vitaments. And the liver

820
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: is kind of like the most dense part of the

821
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: It's the most nutrient dance food on the planet. It's

822
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: where the body stores or the nutries. We kind of

823
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: think of it as a as a portal for for

824
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: toxins and everything, but it's actually where the body stores

825
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: all the nutrients. And you'd probably follow that through, you know,

826
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 3: through through all top of this and everything. How connected

827
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 3: with the liver is everything to the body. Yeah, it's

828
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: this weird kind of flip that we we've unlautnually gone through.

829
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: That's difficult. You know, my kids, I struggled to get

830
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: my kids won ate the strike. So it's like we

831
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: have to hate it, but you know, kind of as

832
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 3: I grop out of you, I'm going to try to

833
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: get them to think of it in the way that

834
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 3: he you need the eighties. But it's going to be

835
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: a challenge, just no doubt about that.

836
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: So now I have an idea I'm going to try

837
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: to make like a liver a cookbook. It's like just thinking,

838
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: I really like to cook, and it's and that's another

839
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: thing too, because like when I was working at the

840
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: hospital full time and my husband's a firefighter, so he

841
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: works a lot too, we I just didn't have time

842
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: to like cook real meals. I just didn't I was

843
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: getting home at like seven o'clock at night every night.

844
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: And now that I'm doing this, I'm doing the podcasting

845
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: and writing for my website, I have more of a

846
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: flexible schedule that I could cook like real dinner for

847
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 2: my family almost every night. And I do definitely see

848
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: it a change with that. But it's funny because I'm

849
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 2: just trying to think, like, oh, what can I mix

850
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: together to make liver taste more appealing to.

851
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: My Yeah, totally.

852
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: One.

853
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a fair there's a very few kind of

854
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: uh you know, like kind of traditional cuisines that have

855
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 3: some ways to kind of that, but you can kind

856
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 3: of hide it with sources that kind of hides you live.

857
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: When it's cooked too much, it's it gets kind of

858
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 3: really the smell comes out. The raw river is actually

859
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: is far less kind of taste to it, Uh yeah,

860
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: kind of. So if it's cooked much lighter and softer,

861
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: so once it kind of gets you fried more, it

862
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: gets it's hard and kind of tough, and it's just

863
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: not nice to eat. But like closer to you know,

864
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: rowed you know, mediaare raw, it's like soft and like

865
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: the tastes less overpowering and it could be disused up

866
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: with regular mens. Pates are kind of a way that

867
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: you know, the French always used to do it as well.

868
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: But it takes time too. That's it's so true that

869
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: you know, things like you know, the bone rolls and

870
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: so forth, it takes time. It's it's it's definitely a

871
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: less convenient way, but there's there's ways to do it,

872
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: you know, there's modern ways to to to introduce this

873
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 3: back to our family's diets.

874
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: So that so in your book The Antil Diet, do

875
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: you I mean, obviously you have this whole connection to

876
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: the body, not just for teeth in general. So is

877
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: this stuff that you talk about in your book, like

878
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: different ways to introduce this kind of stuff into your

879
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: family's diet.

880
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, So there's a forty day playing in there

881
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: with some meals and everything. Liver kind of you know

882
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: where where where you can get it in. Yeah, the

883
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: kind of the beef liver and the the mins mix

884
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 3: I find is good. But you know, pants and things

885
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: like that. There's lots of recipes in there, but there's

886
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: lots of ways to kind of go about it. But

887
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 3: the dental diet is kind of my modernized version of

888
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: what this this danders is running in the thirties and

889
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: the modern science as to the breathing and the chronic

890
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: facial structure of the nutrients, the microbio and the bacteria.

891
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 3: Like I was so interested in all this science that

892
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 3: I was never taught in dental school and everything we've

893
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: discussed here, I wasn't taught in dental school. So like

894
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: I felt that parents out there needed to kind of

895
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: know that, hey, you can change your kids, you know,

896
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: trajectory with their health and their teeth if they eat better.

897
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: And so that's why I wrote the book so that

898
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: they could understand it. Like trying to get the signs simple,

899
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: Like there's like three or four hundred references in there,

900
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: but trying to make it simple for people to understand

901
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 3: and also to that there's practical applications and to kind

902
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: of realize, you know, why we've got the cereals and

903
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 3: brains on our on our on our breakfast tables now,

904
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: and how it can reprogram ourselves to change that.

905
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: It's it's crazy because when I was working in the

906
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 2: pathology department, like fifteen years ago, there was this pathologist

907
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: and she was she was a gi pathologist, and she

908
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: was all on the leaky gut thing and everybody kind

909
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: of thought she was a foot. They thought she was

910
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: a fleek and she was hardcore, like no, you know,

911
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: And now I love it makes me feel good that

912
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: she that she was right about everything she was saying,

913
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: because everything she was saying sounded so good to me,

914
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: And so I love that you that you went on

915
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: Instagram and like, well, what did you do first? Did

916
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: you write the book first or you started the Instagram first?

917
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 3: I wrote the book, so I was yes, I wrote

918
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 3: the book first, and I was actually training dentists, so

919
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: I wasn't that big on kind of socials. So my

920
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: kind of first approach was just like, hey, I better

921
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: get this out to dentist. And I was going through

922
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: America and Australia and so forth with a training program

923
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: for dentists to teach their patients how to kind of

924
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: understand this stuff. And it wasn't cutting through the way

925
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: that I would hope it too. And I got this

926
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: book dealed in the US, which was like huge in

927
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: which came out in twenty eighteen, and it got published

928
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: in seven languages, which was like a big thing. I

929
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: was like, wow, so the audience here is actually the conshuman.

930
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: It's actually the parents there, the ones that you need

931
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: to switch the lights on, because practitioners take time. Science

932
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 3: is slow. Like your colleague she was stating published literature

933
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: that was published about fifteen years ago. She was talking

934
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: about this like matter of fact, saying, hey, you've got

935
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 3: to look at tests of permability. This is important for

936
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: a disease risk. And all of this was around for

937
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: ten years, but it takes nineteen years for published literature

938
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: to really reach the mainstream kind of applicable clinical you know,

939
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: where patients are actually receiving it. So that's where kind

940
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: of a you know, once the book came out, I

941
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: was like, oh no, we have to get this out too, socials,

942
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 3: so that people can actually you know, change is today,

943
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: because if they wait around for their doctors to tell them,

944
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: you know, we're going to be waiting ten years. So

945
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: it's like, let's get parents out there changing their food

946
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 3: and understanding how their how their dietary habits now in

947
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: their cooking habits, and everything can can influenced, you know,

948
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: because kids development is really important. Like this is happening

949
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: right from day dot, and it's happening right up until

950
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: the twenty Wisdom Teeth Company. At twenty that's when it

951
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: kind of finalizes, you know, at twelve or thirteen, that's

952
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: kind of like the eighty percent and then it can't

953
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 3: they go through twenty percent more development. But there's so

954
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: much change your parents can make, you know, just by

955
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: simple switches. Everyone's busy, and everyone's kind of you know,

956
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 3: you know, challenge with kind of dealing with this stuff,

957
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 3: but like there are simple things that people can implement.

958
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: It's I say this all the time. Me and my

959
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: friend talked about this all the time, like we should

960
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: have done something like this when the kids were six

961
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: months old, because I feel like if you never introduced

962
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: them to certain things, then they're not going to be.

963
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they eventually go to school, Like

964
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: I sent my kids to school with lunch, and they

965
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 2: came home with stuff that I didn't even send them with,

966
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, where do you are? We trade? They

967
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: trade all their food, so I guess eventually they would

968
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: learn to eat other foods. But it now, it it's

969
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: I sit there and I just feel so bad because

970
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, why did I ever introduce them the fruity

971
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: pebbles like that, I'm the one that bought them. I

972
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: brought them in the house and I feed it to them.

973
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: But I want to make them eggs and breakfast every morning.

974
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: But like now I feel like they're going to be like, no,

975
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 2: I want my fruity pebbles. You know what I mean.

976
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: It's hot, holy moment. My son's about to go to

977
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: school next year, and I'm lucky. It's all going to

978
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 3: stop once.

979
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: It's true. They have they have a rule at the

980
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: school that they're not because they're afraid of like a

981
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: kid has a peanut allergy and all that, but they

982
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: do it anyway, you know, they're kids.

983
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, no, absolutely, and having like my kids

984
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: are sneaking around they kind of like they're already onto

985
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: what they don't have. And they asked me, they asked

986
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: me that except sugar in it and my stuff, and

987
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 3: they're always trying. The girls are especially the most. They

988
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 3: have sneaky like they are like the girls are like

989
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: kind of like they will grab like some if they

990
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: a chocolate or something, and they'll run part in their

991
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: room to eating later and things like that, and like

992
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 3: they are very very strategic with how they're getting there,

993
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 3: you know, their food. And we've actually got three months

994
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 3: year old twins, a boy and a girl, so it's

995
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 3: like it's all gonna they're going to have like this

996
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: influence that I feel is not as controlled as what

997
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: the first three had. Yes, look, it's it's incredibly difficult. Difficult.

998
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 3: Parenting is so hard, and these things it's it's obviously

999
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 3: very easy to kind of talk about these things, but

1000
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: applying them to kids it's difficult. So like I kind

1001
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: of just tell, you know, we see parents all the

1002
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 3: time we talk about this kind of stuff with kids

1003
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: that have a lot of issues in their mouth that

1004
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: you know you have to do what you can do,

1005
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 3: and you know you have to make compromise and you

1006
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: can't be at ease with it, like it is what

1007
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: it is. You know, we live in this societies is

1008
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: where we're at. But if we're kind of switched on

1009
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: and we know, for instance, if we're supplementing a kid

1010
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 3: buttamin D and we know their B levels and we

1011
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 3: know what's going on, and we know that, you know,

1012
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 3: they're getting a nutrient dens kind of food once or

1013
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: twice or three times, were that we're at least kind

1014
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: of making nervous steps, like you know, all those things

1015
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: can contribute and we just do what we can. Yeah,

1016
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 3: it's parenting is really hard.

1017
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, trust me, I've been doing it my

1018
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: whole Well, you spoke with my older daughter earlier and

1019
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 2: she's she's married and out of the house. She's twenty

1020
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: nine years old. But the little ones are are uh

1021
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: you know, and and it's like a whole new world

1022
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: that I'm raising them in. So of course, it's it's

1023
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: it's the food is like the minimal problem of compared

1024
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: to like the other problems that are happening right now.

1025
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: Are you So, are you like working on any other

1026
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: projects like what's going on with you?

1027
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? So we I mean our we've just opened a

1028
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: new dental clinic called Helix Dentistry. But ow. Yeah, so

1029
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 3: my my podcast Amount Brain Connection kind of explores this.

1030
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 3: This we we look at we get dental and medical

1031
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 3: specials from all on the world to really dive down

1032
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 3: into these these areas that are the parents are struggling with. Like,

1033
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: we have a big focus of parents, but we have

1034
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 3: a big focus on adults too, So adults sleep happenar

1035
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: is a big issue. So we dive into those issues

1036
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 3: where how do we fix these things, you know, in

1037
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: both kids and adults. And actually we mentioned before that

1038
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: you said adults are easier. Well, actually kids are a

1039
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: lot easier when you kind of because they're so maleable

1040
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: and they change. So when you got this problem and

1041
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 3: you kind of go back through the story, you realize

1042
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 3: that all these things happen when you're kind of when you're.

1043
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

1044
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. And actually the interesting thing will be for your

1045
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 3: daughter when she eventually has kids going through this journey

1046
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,479
Speaker 3: with her, you know, because obviously there's there's that kind

1047
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 3: of what you've learned as a parent going through and

1048
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: then what you see, yeah it's grandparent is kind of like, yeah,

1049
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 3: a whole other things too. So yeah, my website's doctor

1050
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: steven live dot com. We have a lot of recent

1051
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 3: also everything up there and just trying to get the

1052
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: way out through socials as well, you know, based the

1053
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: simple tips for parents to really improve these for their kids.

1054
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: Lost today.

1055
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, your Instagram's awesome. I love it. Just the videos

1056
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: are like short, sweet, to the point and you're like, oh, okay,

1057
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: that makes it all makes sense. You know, it's just

1058
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: a matter of putting it into place. But thank you

1059
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: so much for being here today. It was awesome. And

1060
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: everybody should get your book. I see it's on audio too,

1061
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: so they're my favorites, is Audible books because then I

1062
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: could clean my house and do that and listen. So

1063
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: and your instagram too, they should definitely check out. And

1064
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: what what's the deal with your You have a podcast too, right,

1065
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: is that something you're actively doing.

1066
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've got a weekly podcast coming up and

1067
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: that's the Mouth Brain Connection that's on iTunes and Spotify,

1068
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's kind of these kind of conversations with

1069
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 3: doctors and you're just exploring you know, those of people

1070
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: are experiencing out of the wobo.

1071
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah that's really awesome. Well, congratulations, you're doing awesome and

1072
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: it seems like everything every it's being well received, which

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Speaker 2: is great because, like I said, people were blowing this

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Speaker 2: off years ago and now they're listening and I love that.

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Speaker 2: So thanks for being here with us today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me. Yeah. I hope it

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Speaker 3: helps them. Yeah, really interested and died me into all

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Speaker 3: the other episodes of You Go Up too. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 2: my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a

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Speaker 2: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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Speaker 2: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

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Speaker 2: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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Speaker 2: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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Speaker 2: media media accounts are designed to educate and inform people

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Speaker 2: based on my experience working in pathology, so they can

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Speaker 2: make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always

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Speaker 2: remember that science is changing every day and the opinions

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Speaker 2: expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge of

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Speaker 2: those subjects at the time of publication. If you are

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Speaker 2: having a medical problem, have a medical question, or having

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Speaker 2: urgent care center, emergency room, or hospital. Please rate, review,

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