1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Celeb CNN and MTV, all cameras focused on me, helicopters 2 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: up above. Oh it a travesty. There's a crazy world 3 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: at war right outside of my front door. They're wasting 4 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: time on me. I'm just a jailhouse baby. Oh I'm 5 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: singing so sweetly, Oh, jailhouse baby. Oh, no window to 6 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: the world. I'm a little I'm a little jail bird. 7 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: Cold nights and freezing water, fluorescence always on. Stuck here 8 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: behind this glass, my parents see their daughter. Judge, you're 9 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: no celebrity. You're a desperate wannabe. Seems like you'd rather 10 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: leave real criminals on the streets. Oh, those lonely nights 11 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: of terror. I thank you for your letters, words from 12 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: around the world, for the lonely little jail bird. Thank 13 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: you for doing the poetry naps. Who's that knocking at 14 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: the door. It's all your friends, your filthy horror. Your 15 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: husband's gone, and we've got books and a bottle of 16 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: wine to kill. It's how. It's books, it's gossip. I'm shook, 17 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: it's memoirs, martinis. Clebrit book Club can read it while 18 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: it's hot. Celebrity book Club, Tell your secrets. We won't Talk, 19 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: Celebrity books. No Boys Are Alloud, Celebrity Book Club, Say 20 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: It Loud and Cloud Celebrity book Club. Buzz Man, I 21 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: brought the Queer foe Hey best Friend. Good morning, New 22 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: York City. It is thirty six degrees. There is traffic 23 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: on the four oh five coming out of Los Angeles. 24 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: Please keep your arms and ears inside the planet all times. 25 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Good morning, Los Angeles. How are you? I hope you 26 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: are drinking something fabulous, going to do something powerful with 27 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: your day, saying affirmations and all above, doing your thing 28 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: and listening to yourself. Three in jus for the one hell, yes, 29 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: are you doing a baby voice because you're nervous? I 30 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: do my baby voice to mask some of the trauma 31 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: that has gone on. I don't know if you know 32 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: this about me, Stephen, but at eight years years old, 33 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with add I did know that about you. 34 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: I knew that you became a riddling and concerted attict 35 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: at a very young age. I'm an addiction which still 36 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: plagues you to this day. And it's all across some merica. Yeah, 37 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, we're diagnosing children right, left and right, but 38 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: some children are not getting din. Yeah, that's the real problem, 39 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: more kids to be diagnosed and medicated in this country. 40 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: I guess we should just get right, let's get into it, 41 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: because we are doing you know, we were just talking 42 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: before recording. This is I feel like the first real 43 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: book I've read in a while. Yeah, the first actual 44 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: sort of as we call in the media industry, the 45 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: dead Tree version that you got your little pause on. Yeah, 46 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: big new release, Yeah, actual page. I mean the Jackson 47 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: that was Dead Tree and to confess, the last few 48 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: I've done on audiobook. But there's something so much more 49 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: viscerable about holding a book in your hands. And we 50 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: hear it. iHeart radio and Barnes and Nobles want to 51 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: offer you a special opportunity to go to your local 52 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: bookstore and with Code and Code shop with us coach 53 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: and there's no there's actually no diser. Actually it's actually 54 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: more expensive. Yeah, but with that you can have us 55 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: in your ears. It's a guided tour through Barnes and 56 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: not even a book, it's just a two of your 57 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: favorite books, right. No, But I do think that there's 58 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: something great about having the page in the hand. And 59 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: I've always said I love books because you can read 60 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: out your own pace. You can flip back to a 61 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: page and be like, oh, what was that thing? Thank 62 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: you for saying that, because especially it's hard for those 63 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: of us who do suffer from ADD and currently I 64 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: am unfreaking medicaid, I'll tell you that. So watch out, listeners, 65 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: get in for a wild ride now, well in a 66 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: China shop over here. Why I'm talking so much about 67 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: my diagnosis, It's because the person that we read this 68 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: week is a sufferer and a survivor of ADHD. Yeah, 69 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: she is more ADHD whereas like I never really had 70 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: the hyperactive problem. I'm a little more like the lazy kind, 71 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: straight up classic ADD But you do love activities, yes, 72 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: And I'm always like tensing my muscles in certain areas 73 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: of my body. Okay, sorry, it's got really awkward. What 74 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: parts of your body are you tensing? Not to cry? Okay, 75 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: Like I'll be like I'm doing right now, like called 76 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: tense my like elbows, and then I'll like do it 77 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: on my like calfs and my feet. Huh. Have you 78 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: ever tried to maybe shift that tension to your abdomen 79 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: because maybe hope you work on your Okay, I have been, 80 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: as you know, working out a little bit. Maybe this 81 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: could be your superpower. Oh yeah, instead of having jacked elbows, 82 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: you could have well, you know, all my tensions because 83 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm always trying to correct my eyesight and my elbows. 84 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: So I need to Okay, I need to engage my core. 85 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: Someone who is thin that we're about to talk about anyway, 86 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: So yes, the person we're talking I does have ADHD. 87 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: She was diagnosed not until her twenties, because a lot 88 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: of times women are not diagnosed because it's thought of 89 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: as a boy disease. She is an icon. She invented 90 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: the concept of celebrity, of modern celebrity, of influencing. You 91 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: know her from the simple life, you know her from 92 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: her family. Maybe you've heard of the hotel Chane called Hilton. 93 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: You may call her an heiress, you may call her 94 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: a pop star. She's now the highest paid DJ in 95 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: the world. Yeah literally, Abiza and Queen of Now. She 96 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: is an activist for like schools for very bad children 97 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: and how they need to be stopped. Yes, stopping the 98 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: school Yeah, stoping the schools. We were talking about none 99 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: other than Paris Hilton and her book grand new chart 100 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: topping bestseller, my memoir, the Memoir Paris. I'm so obsessed 101 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: with the title the memoir Paris, the memoir. Yeah, I 102 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: mean she knows. Yeah, there's only one Paris. There's only 103 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: one Paris. We don't need to pretend there's so much 104 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: I want to get into. Yeah, let's just situate our 105 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: listeners here. So the cover is a sort of classic Paris. 106 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: She's still in her very kind of like Guests era. 107 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: She's never really left her Guests era of like two 108 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: thousand and five, like you know that platinum blonde, lots 109 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: of like diamond heart shape, pink, pink, pink, pink, pink, pink. 110 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: That's so funny that you say she's never left her 111 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: Guess era, because I feel like that is true. But 112 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: I reading this book was like missing her Heatherret era. 113 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 1: I mean she was definitely being more obviously two thousand 114 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: and five and Ryan Stones and bedazzled and like Bond Dutch. 115 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: And now she's being so like classic celebrities, being like, 116 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: can you believe we were all that von Dutch? And 117 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, yes, yes, I cat. No, she 118 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: doesn't shown it that much. She is always like Richie 119 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: rich was an amazing designer, and she stands Heatherret But 120 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: I guess I'm still being like this. It's very gas. Yeah, 121 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: it's very gas, it's very princess. It's very pink, and 122 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: she's looking she's wearing like an eyelet dress, which is 123 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: the classic like sexy but I'm going to court dress 124 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: and her yours are actually crazy pointy. Yeah. Um. So 125 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: the cover is she's kind of looking slightly off, like 126 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: what is she thinking about? And in the back she's 127 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: doing one of my favorite poses, looking down glam. We're 128 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: just like, oops, I'm looking town and she's kind of 129 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: holding her risks like oh, like prayer, looking down like 130 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: this is crazy. I'm just thinking about my life and 131 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: my memoir and she's like against a mirrored background, and 132 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: so it's sort of like, you know, the themes of 133 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: celebrity and selfie and seeing yourself through the reflection of 134 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: the media and that all that is present in this book. So, 135 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: of course, this book has made headlines around the world 136 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: because she talks about her herrowine abuse at Provo at 137 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: Provo and a series of horrible schools for very bad 138 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: girls and boys and all in between that her evil 139 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: parents sent her to. But this book is also not 140 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: making as many waves for the fact that the entire 141 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: book it's ramed around her, which I was not prepared for. Okay, 142 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: let me just read the very first sentence of the book. 143 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Edward Hallowell, author of Driven to Distraction, says, the 144 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: ADHD brain is like a Ferrari with bicycle breaks, powerful 145 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: but difficult to control. My ADHD makes me lose my phone, 146 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: but it also makes me who I am. So if 147 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to love my life, I have to love 148 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: my ADHD. And then she goes on to like explain 149 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: like the crazy life she leads because her ADHD, and 150 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: she's like, for example, I'll be in a huge technology 151 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: meeting with the current husband and love of my life, 152 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: my husband Carter, and she's like, oh, by the way, 153 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: he's an absolute badass startup entrepreneur, nerd hottie. And then 154 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: she goes on and she's like, da da da. If 155 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: we are in an eleven eleven media board meeting talking 156 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: about a contract and I go off on a tangent 157 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: about a better tool from promptu ig videos and how 158 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: they tool could be styled manufacturer and marketed in a 159 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: really fun, accessible way and I could promote them via 160 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: cross promotional content, and what if the knob was like 161 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: a little odder or a slather or kangaroo. Carter leans 162 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: into whisper my year, babe, not in a mean way, 163 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: just to bring me back, and it's kind of just like, okay, 164 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: so you're having thoughts. I mean this gets in to 165 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: the whole not only over diagnosis and over medicalization of 166 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: ADHD in our country right now, but also the over 167 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: self diagnosis, where it's just like any time people have 168 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: a thought, they're just like, and that's my ADHD. And 169 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: you see so many memes of being like, uh, yeah, 170 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: what it's like to have ADHD And it's someone with 171 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: a thought bubble just being like thinking about like a 172 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Wikipedia page, and it's like that's called thinking. Literally, I 173 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: it's literally called thinking. I cannot clap back at that 174 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: enough as someone in my diagnosi. So I like went 175 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: through my files when I was like cleaning up my parents' 176 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: house and like solve what the freaking doctors like wrote 177 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: about me and my early diagnosis scientists Yes, And it 178 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: was this thing where it was like, I mean, they're 179 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: like Lily doesn't really like math, and like that's why 180 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: she's a d D. And it's like, yeah, I'm a 181 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: I don't math, like, do I need to be taking 182 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: like riddle in every single day? Well, and so in 183 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Paris keeps framing she's literally rich and famous, hot team 184 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: who's like sneaking out of her hotel home at the 185 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,599 Speaker 1: Waldorf Astoria to go club in New York at a 186 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: sixteen and you're just like, yeah, she wouldn't. And she's like, 187 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: it was because I had ADHD that I needed the 188 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: stimulation of the club and all the sounds and the 189 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: outfits of clubbers. And it's just like, actually, babe, like 190 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: a teams want to be fabulous, and you were rich 191 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: and famous, so like, yeah, you want to live at 192 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: the Waldorf Hotel And she's like the couture of rave 193 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: clothes really sparked my ADHD brand. I'm talking hot, pink glitter. 194 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean. The only thing that I will say is 195 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: totally ADHD of her is her addiction to exotic pets, 196 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: which we know, like we know also so justin Bieber 197 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: and celebrity and just being like yeah, like you need 198 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: more and more and more. Yeah, there's a lot of this, 199 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: like very and we'll get into the abuse and obviously 200 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: it's like truly some of the worst abuse that I've 201 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: actually like experienced reading one of these memoirs, and now 202 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: I'm traumatized. But the way that she frames every single 203 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: decision and the entire arc of her life as being 204 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: informed by this ADHD, I'm like not like just kind 205 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: of like brushing off any maybe accusation of like king 206 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 1: like consumption and consumerism and materialism, and it's just like 207 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: it's a little insane. Well and also especially because she 208 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: blames her parents, but obviously because they have such an 209 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: insane family, she tries to like be like, well, I 210 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: didn't understand what they were going through, and it's like 211 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: I actually think we could blame the parents a lots 212 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: more instead of like your undiagnosed ah. I already thought 213 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: that Kathy Hilton was kind of a monster after having 214 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: watched episodes of Real Husbands of Beverly Hills, but like 215 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: now she is a monster. And Paris is really generous 216 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: and forgiving, and I'm sure that's good for her sanity 217 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: to not be like so angry at her mom, but 218 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: like I think she needs to do that. I also 219 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: am still like not team Nikki. I will say, Niki, Yeah, 220 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: I think stuck up, cold, cold hearted, cold hearted bitch 221 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: and also like suck up, stuck up and suck up. Yeah, 222 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: And obviously there's always that tension between any like duo. 223 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: I think someone's going to be more wild and someone's 224 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: going to be a little bit more uptight. But she 225 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: has this sort of sneering judgment that I see coming 226 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: through in this book a little bit. That again, Paris 227 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: is very accepting of where I'm a little bit like 228 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: Nikki should so much more than why I'm just so 229 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: sister as she was getting literally kidnapped in the middle 230 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: of the night by her own parents and like thrown 231 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: into an actual like abusive like like gulog for a 232 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: year and alf the kidnapping is horrible, especially she's like clubbing. 233 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: She also already was like sent to live with her 234 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: grandmother and like they didn't really tell her why, Like 235 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: they're always sending her away and she's like begging to 236 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: move back with them in the wal door from like 237 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: they won't even tell her, which was like also so heartbreaking. 238 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: And she finally lives the waldor she's banking Nikki to 239 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: the club with her, and Nikki is like, oh no. 240 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: And also, by the way, Purse is not drinking. She 241 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: said the high was clubbing. Well, she drinks later obviously, 242 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: like this is her book, so she's going to make 243 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: herself look as good as always, just drinking sprite and 244 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: I was high on the music. Oh. She also frames 245 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: the book by like the movies that are released and 246 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: the songs that came out, and like what happened which 247 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: is amazing, and she'll be like that year the world changed, 248 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: Talladega Nights Too came out. I really appreciate how there's 249 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: a self awareness to like knowing that she is an 250 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: element of pop culture and that everyone thinks of Herney 251 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: think of the Only two thousands. So she's just been like, yeah, 252 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: Ben Stiller was researching a movie about male models at 253 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: the time. He came to like June Bug like whatever, 254 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: like club in Times Square that doesn't exist anymore, was 255 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: there and he was interviewing some of us. Then like 256 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: step Dad's two came out. She was like, yeah, I 257 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: was always network. Well then this book is also very 258 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: like Tumbling I was launched in two thousand and seven, 259 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: because she's always like interjecting like tech milestones, because she's 260 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: like I am now I'm so Ashton kritterin an investor, 261 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: one of my favorite quotes in this book is in 262 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: the beginning when she's talking without her grandmother and she goes, 263 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: my grandmother never got to see me launch an nft yeah, 264 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: which is one of my regrets. No, i'man not so 265 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: fucked up? Okay, So I guess before we get in 266 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: yea to all the abuse a full thing about kind 267 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: of like her early life in Kathe Hilton's early life, 268 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: which I'm like sets up kathe baby was a Gerber baby. 269 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: She was asked to be a playmate, denied it was 270 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: a model. Then Kathee Hilton had a gift store, gift 271 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: and like boutique store called the Staircase, which is so 272 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: insane and crazy like this eighties. I'm just it also 273 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: sounds like just a gift store in a Hilton that 274 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: sells like a few dresses like in a casino, you 275 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean. We sell three dresses from the 276 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: brand like Abrica dabble yeah, and a hat and Dasani. 277 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: It's very one hat and dashy. I mean, I feel 278 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: like the Kardashian like Chris Jenner had a store in 279 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: a mall too before, as like one of her many 280 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: like businesses. She's trying to get off the ground before 281 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: they went into Yes, I'm sureship. I was thinking about 282 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: the Kathy because she talks Paris talks a lot about 283 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: like partying with cam and stuff. The Kathy versus Chris 284 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: Jenner is m of like moms because like you know, 285 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, Chris is evil. She put out 286 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: Kim sex tape, and then Kathy is like, but she didn't. 287 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: But it's like they're actually so opposite because Chris is 288 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: all about ownership of one's image, which Paris like kind 289 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: of one of the nervous book is like her understanding 290 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: that she needs to own her own image, and that's 291 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: why she kind of like invents the composite to the selfie. 292 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: And she has this I think quite actually very convincing 293 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: theory that like the selfie ended like paparazzi culture in 294 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: a way, and like you read a Princess Anne anymore, 295 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: like that traged anymore? Because I mean, yeah, yeah, if 296 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: you read it, ask me clean out. It's all just 297 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: like re printings of celebrities Instagram. And quite frankly that 298 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: I know it makes I missed the paps in that 299 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: way and the shutter. But I was like at first, 300 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: like oh, Chris is more evil than Kathe, But now 301 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm like Kathy is more evil because Kathy was like 302 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: always trying to hold them back, and Chris wasn't shaming 303 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: Kim for like doing a sex tape. She's more just 304 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: like how can we spend this and like get you 305 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: to be in front of it, whereas like Kathy was 306 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: just like crying to herself being like how do I 307 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: deal with it? And then Paris is always like my 308 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: mom was so like felt so bad about me being 309 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: abused but didn't even know about the abuse that she 310 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: couldn't get out of bed. And I'm kind of like, 311 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: where is the accountability Kathy? Well, And that's why I've 312 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: you seen in the headlines that one she didn't tell 313 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: her mom that she was having a baby vas surrogacy 314 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: until they got the baby, and she gave her mom 315 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: a purse to console her. Because Kathy is a completely 316 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: like crazed narcissist. Yeah, Kathy is insane. Like it's like 317 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: how you give like the little sibling or something like 318 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: a present when someone else like gets something, you know. 319 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: As I said on our cousin podcast, Up Who's Up? 320 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: I think that Kathy has this complex because she like 321 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: is the one who married into the Hilton family, and 322 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: so she feels that she deserves all this credit from Kyle, 323 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: from her sister Kyle, from Paris and most of the 324 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: family for being like I'm the one who like got 325 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: us the money, Like I'm the one who got us 326 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: the Hilton name, and I deserve basically endless credit for 327 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: that and zero accountability for like any choice they've ever made. 328 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: And you all owe me your life in your career 329 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: forever because of that exactly. And Kathy also like they 330 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: are like really so Catholic in this way where she's 331 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: just like always guilty and trying to still stay proper 332 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: and not fabulous. She's like, yes, we'll be fab in La, 333 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: but like never go out and I'm sending you to 334 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: Catholic school and like yeah, not getting in front of 335 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: like when she tells Paris that like blowjobs are beneath you, 336 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: and you shouldn't give blowjobs and you shouldn't have sex 337 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: before marriage and if you don't half sec before yearage, 338 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: then men will be obsessed with you and then they 339 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: will marry you. And it's so fifties and Paris is 340 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: kind of like so that's just not going to happen 341 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: like I'm not going to wait until marriage. And I 342 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: think that also has to do why Paris is so 343 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: obsessed with animals, creating her own freaky family. Okay, I 344 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: just want to read this part about I had a 345 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: whole community of rats named after all the people from 346 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: NINEO Too and O Luke Tory, Jason, Shannon, Brian Ian, Jenny, Tiffany, 347 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: and Gabrielle. Yeah. I know what you're thinking, like rats, 348 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: but domesticated cats are actually rats, sorry, are actually very clean, 349 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: sweet natured and intelligent. I had a huge rat named 350 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: Max who had enormous balls. One day, when I was 351 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: out in the yard cuddling Max, a ferret ran over 352 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: it to me, and poor Max screamed this bizarrely loud 353 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: scream with his little rat mouth wide open, and then 354 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: he bit me. I dropped him. He ran off, waddling 355 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: up the driveway as fast as he could, with his 356 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: weirdly large balls bouncing away. I started crying, not because 357 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: I was hurt, but because I thought I lost him. 358 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: Really really beautiful. It reminds me when um friend of 359 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: the pod, Lauren, in college, she got rats and she 360 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: went to a ratterie. You know what's surprising about that 361 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: because I think of rats, and I do think of 362 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: queer folk, because rats and ferrets are such queer pets, 363 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: and she has rats and ferrets, and there's that that 364 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: like school sleep over in the school gym where she 365 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: comes in like the sexiest like playboy mansion, like silk 366 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: like pajamas, teddy Anne brings up ferret on a leash 367 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: and they're supposed to bring stuffed animals and she's like, bitches, 368 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm bringing a Ferret's that's hot. And they were like 369 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: they send her home because she's like too sexy with 370 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: her ferret and her like silk piech icon. I mean, 371 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: she's an absolute icon. He was born. She's like, you know, 372 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: David la Chapelle, Andy Warhaw, John Waters, Like she always 373 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: is creating like a photo shoot, and like, you know, 374 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: I feel like she's always been elevating queer creators. She's 375 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: always like I made sure to like bring like weird, freaky, 376 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: amazing creative folks with me, like when I went to 377 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: like Club La Lance. Speaking of dogs, I'm just going 378 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: to read the list of her dog's names. Diamond Baby, Horrid, Juku, Bitch, Slivington, 379 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: Ether and crypto crypto because she is a blockchain queen, 380 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: so she's making her dog's ether in crypto. And also 381 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: slivington is another word that she quote invented. It's a 382 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: combination of slagh and living. When you're sliving living, I know, 383 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: it's like she is such an only fans gay in 384 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: this way, she's like, I'm slivington bitch. She's actually such 385 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: an only fans guy. Oka. Wait, other quote I just 386 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: want to read. This is unpage four of the book. 387 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: And this was when I was like, oh, this book 388 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: is actually gonna be him. Also, there's a real like 389 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: fidelity to the concept of ADHD in this book, where 390 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: the actual book is structured in an ADHD way, where 391 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: she's always like consciously almost like performatively, like leaving the 392 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: topic to be like And that's the thing about going 393 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: to Abisa. In two thousand and nine, while she's in 394 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: the middle of talking about the abuse at the school, 395 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian and I were making for Tata and French 396 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: toast coated with frosted flakes for breakfast one morning, and 397 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: she said, I don't know anyone who party is as 398 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: hard as you do and looks as good as you 399 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: do skincare seriously and then she just goes on a 400 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: tangent about skincare. It's also the thing. It's like yeah, obviously, 401 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: and she's like, my husband will lay in bed and 402 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: he no, skincare is the most amazing like thing and 403 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: it's so important to me, and it's like, yeah, like 404 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: we know, kind of obviously, just like like slathering on 405 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: cerrums for Tata, for tatas singular also making for Tata, 406 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: making for tatas. That's an interesting linguistics orlistic school with Lily. 407 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: Should for Tata be singular a pal right, we're making 408 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: for tatos. Yes, we're making for tatas where we had 409 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: a for Tata. Sometimes you are making for Tata. Sounds weird, 410 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: I guess, I would say, because you're thinking it sounds 411 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: like we are making tortilla. Like it's like, yeah, but 412 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: for those two girls aren't making more than one for Tata. 413 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: They're making up for Tata, one for Tata. Yeah, but 414 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: maybe you're right they should say they were making up 415 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: for Tata. Also, French toscaded with frosted flakes, that's a 416 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: Peter Pan syndrome thing. Well, I also think that's like 417 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: her being like yeah, I do eat, I do eat, 418 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: and they have like one bite. It is very eating 419 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: disorder girl to just be like, yeah I eat. I'm crazy. 420 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: I'll have three bites of like four crazy hot dogs 421 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: and then like one of her ferrets like eats it 422 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: and then they're like that was hot. Let's go. Yeah, 423 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: I know. I'm a crazy monster. I'll like Taranto one data. 424 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: So the abuse is crazy. So like, first of all, 425 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: she is raped by this guy that she meets at 426 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: the mall like in La right before before she like 427 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: goes to this crazy school. Oh, and then she also 428 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: has this creepy teacher who like tries to date her. 429 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: I missic like her and the teacher like start messaging 430 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: and then it's just like very fast teacher like yeah, 431 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: it's like what are you wearing right, and then comes 432 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: over and like makes out with her in his car, 433 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: and then the parents come home and see them in 434 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: the car, and then he like freaks out and she's 435 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: been like I thought it was like funny that he 436 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: was like freaking out, and he like drives me around 437 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: the block and then he's been like, oh my god, 438 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to jail. And then he like drops 439 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: her off and like pretends like it didn't happen, and 440 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: then it classic. I mean, this is like who do 441 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: they blame Paris? I mean they kind of just don't 442 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: even talk about it at all. They like she says 443 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: at the beginning the book, she's like the Hilton's Armada 444 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: don't talk about it, and they're just being so stiff 445 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: up her lip and like fully victorian about it. And 446 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: she's just been like and then I later realized that 447 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: that wasn't and that actually was fucked up. Okay, So 448 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: Paris has already like had some really fucked up she 449 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: had happened to her. Then she's living in the wall, 450 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: different story at and she's like going out clubbing every night, 451 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: and like Cathy's being so just like uptakings to her mom, 452 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: just being like he don't go my daughter's clubbing, Like 453 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: this is the end. And they also Paris asks to 454 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: go very missed ole to a performing arts high school 455 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: and then they sent her a dwight at a minute 456 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: like that school in New Jersey, dumb waited idiots getting 457 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: high together. They are really acting like she's so crazy 458 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: and like, yes, she's going out clubbing, but it's kind 459 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: of like, as she says, I was always fine because 460 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: I had a driver and the paparazzi, which is interesting. Yeah, 461 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: she wasn't really at risk. She wasn't. I mean, obviously 462 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: it's like you don't want your daughter to be like 463 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: so crazy, and like you do need to set boundaries 464 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: as a parent or whatever. But it's like teen sneaking 465 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: out to just immediately then go to be like, Okay, 466 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: we're going to send her to like a crazy goal. 467 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: And this is where she's very new standing. The parents 468 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: didn't realize that the school was this crazy. And I 469 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: think that the school did have extremely good marketing and 470 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: was like we have amazing campuses and like we're going 471 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: to straighten your kids out. But it looks like a cell. 472 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: It looks like a person. Did you watch the Dock? 473 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: I did watch the Dock, Okay, I will say I 474 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: was shy because the doc does not like actually detail 475 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: the amount of abuse that the book does, and I 476 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: came away from the Dock being like, oh yeah, like 477 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: that was intense, but like she doesn't really explain like 478 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: the full extent, Like it was insane. She was suffering 479 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: beatings like strangulation strips, like doing like medical examinations guys 480 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: like sexually assaulting her and putting the fingers. They were 481 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: doing solitary confinement where they shove her into a cell 482 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: and just give her like tiny little shorts and they 483 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: keep the cell at fifty degrees. Wait, I'm just gonna 484 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: like describe and like chegg out wearing. That is really 485 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: fucked up. This is like the solitary confinement saw at 486 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: the Provo school that they sent her to after she's 487 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: escaped like eighteen times. OBS, which is sort for observation, 488 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: was an oddly shaped cinder block chamber, not square, not circular, 489 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: a hexagon, maybe about the size of a public restroom stall. 490 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: There was nothing in there except a bucket and a 491 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: roll of toilet paper on the cement floor near a 492 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: drain hole. In the light of the open door, I 493 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: saw blood and feces smeared on the wall. When the 494 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: door slammed shut. The only light filtered through a small 495 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: window with wire mesh inside the glass. It was freezing cold. 496 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: They took your underwear and bra when you went into OBS, 497 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: so you couldn't use them to kill yourself. It's so Nirada. 498 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: I was like, this book does turn into like a 499 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: just like horrific thriller. In this way, it is like 500 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: a really terrifying thriller. She is literally hoodini. She escapes 501 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: from multiple different schools, like four different times, and is 502 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: actually so badass about it. There's one time you're like, 503 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: am I watching like a quisite she escapes and like 504 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: hides in a shaft above a diner. Yeah, and she 505 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: calls her on. She calls Kyle and is like, can 506 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: you pick me up? Oh? And this was also after 507 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: many times, like when she's finally gets a phone call 508 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: to her parents, she's like you don't understand, you say, 509 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: and they're like, this is good for you. Paris. Again, 510 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: she's very generous to Kathy, just being like, well, they 511 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: were brainwashed by the school's promotional materials and they're told 512 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: not to believe your child because your child's going to 513 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: try and make you come get them, but like this 514 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: is for their own benefits, so don't believe their stories. 515 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: And then of course, after multiple times of her running away, 516 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: then like the school tells her parents like she's even 517 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: worse and she needs even like more discipline. I just 518 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: can't imagine. I'm sorry, you know, I've never been a 519 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: parent and I've never been the wife of the Hilton fortune. 520 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: But I just can't imagine your child telling you all 521 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: this and you just deciding not to believe them and 522 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: to continue to put them in this position that clearly 523 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 1: they're so upset by that they are escaping, running out 524 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: in the wilderness like shoeless desert of Utah. Also, even 525 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: the biggest red flag is the phone privileges are so 526 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: prison like yeah, like she's not even granted ability to 527 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: call them till like two months later. Like I remember, 528 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, when I went to camp. I went to 529 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: summer camp in western Massachusetts. They have this thing called 530 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: Dad's Weekend where the dads come and then the moms 531 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: get like a couple hours on Sunday to like come 532 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: hang out with their sons and like this kind of 533 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: really sexual. Well you're not fucking it's not so milfman. 534 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm just like, mom's get one hour, Okay, go on. 535 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: It's not a conjugal visit. But it's just the moms 536 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: are like so excited to see their sons that are 537 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: two weeks and I'm just like, you know, your parents 538 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: are writing new letters. I'm just a little bit like 539 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: the fact that the parents are not even concerned that 540 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: they're only getting to talk to their daughter once every month, 541 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: and the daughter's like crying, being like please come get me, 542 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: and then the line's going dead. And that's not a 543 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: red fly, Like no, she's being taught discipline. So this 544 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: is also so scary how this is set up. The 545 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: children are not allowed to talk about anything until RAP 546 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: session scientology, and it's so scientology basically where you go 547 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 1: around a room and are supposed to like confess everything, 548 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: scream at everyone and like insult each other for twelve 549 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: hours till you're like crying, and then after that's over, 550 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: you're all supposed to creepily cuddle, yeah, and it's crazy 551 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: cuddle puddle and all smooshing. The objective of rap to 552 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: force a person pass the last jacket inch of what 553 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: they can stand. You'd like to think you'll sit there 554 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: and be tough, or you'll back or walk out or whatever, 555 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: but there were beefy Imperial Marine throwback standing guards all around. 556 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: So people ended up like saying that they like raped 557 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: their cousin or like killed a cat, and she was 558 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: like most of these kids like didn't do that, but 559 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: like they just you have to come up with something 560 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: that everyone can grab onto it so that they can 561 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: insult you about it, so that you can then cry, 562 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: and then they can move on and start insulting another kid. 563 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: And then so people start like screaming at you. Who 564 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: do you think you are? You got kicked out of 565 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: like every school in the world, You stupid spoiled you 566 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: left me with just when I needed you, fucking stupid 567 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: lazy bitch. You think you're all that Your family hates you, 568 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: toxic fucking influence on your siblings, and they don't give 569 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: a crap about you, stupid spoiled, fucking lazy, stupid stoiled bimbo. 570 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: Twist it and you know, of course she did internalize that, 571 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: and she talks about that the book, being like I 572 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: did internalize the idea that my parents hated me and 573 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: they abandoned me in this horrible play, and that like 574 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: I deserve this. But she is a survivor. She's a survivor, 575 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: and so one of them her most thrilling times of 576 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: like escaping is she escapes she gets on like literally 577 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: just a greyhound bus and a wig. Yeah, it's so 578 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the ocean. She's like, we stopped and she know, and 579 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: she like escapes with this girl mouse and then she 580 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: apologizes to this girl and I'm like, where is this 581 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: girl now? Okay? Yeah, So she's like they're at a 582 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: Denny's in LA. They've made it to a late and 583 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: it's like she's just been missing where she is and 584 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: they're hiding out at her friend's house. But she's like, 585 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: I have to go somewhere else because someone's going to 586 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: recognize me. And so she like leaves the girl some 587 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: cash there, like a denity. She gives her all the 588 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: cash she has, and then she sneaks out the back 589 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: of the Denny's and ends up getting the plane ticket 590 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: to Connecticut to her like other friend's house where she's 591 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: doing with them. But she literally leaves this girl and 592 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: she goes. Over the decades, I'm trying not to think 593 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: about that skinny little girl in the huge, unforgiving city. 594 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: When I think about the most likely fate of a 595 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: kid like her, it makes me want to throw up. 596 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: I was trying to save her and it ended up 597 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: at the herd of the wolves. I pray that she 598 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: found someone who is better able to help her than 599 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: I was. Like, this is so crazy just to think that, 600 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: Like Paris Hilton and we all think of as like superficial, 601 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: like the fact that she has this story that she 602 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: helped a girl escape like an abusive prison school for 603 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: children that got them wigs. Then had to abandon this 604 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: girl at a Denny's so that like she could escape 605 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: because she literally couldn't keep taking this like sixteen year 606 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: old girl along with her and her friend was like 607 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: you can't bring her or because then like all be 608 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: on the hook for kidnapps for kid which is like 609 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: also true. So she had to leave this girl, And 610 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: it's just like what if that girl literally, I don't know, 611 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, got sold into sex slavery or is now 612 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: dead and god onliness, it's possible. I mean when you 613 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: watched the doc, it's like a lot of those other people, 614 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: like Paris is like the most probably emotionally well off 615 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: because of her financial support system for sure. Yeah, and 616 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: a lot of them are pretty fucked up. So you know, 617 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: Paris the high voice that we all yeah her for 618 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: that is like her performance, Yeah, it's different. She actually 619 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: has a low voice. Yeah, she has like kind of 620 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: a draggy voice, yea lusky And she says in this book, 621 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: which I was like, god, that is so true. She says, 622 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: I've always been a performance artist, yeah, and her life 623 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: as performance art, and of course she's the original, and 624 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: like she's quite aware of her role in inventing influencer culture, 625 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: and you know, she frames it as this thing where 626 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: she's like, I saw that I was going to parties 627 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: and people wanted me to be a social figure, and 628 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: I figured it. Yeah, I think the traditional kind of 629 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: view of fame has always been like you cultivate fame 630 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: so that you can get you know, quote, real jobs unquote. 631 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: And then she was like, this cultivation can be something 632 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: you get paid for it and of itself and like, 633 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, monetizing my image and taking control of my 634 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: image and like kind of invented being and she talks 635 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: about like going from a girl to influencer. But you know, 636 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: there's also an interesting in this book where I think 637 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: there's a real like dichotomy between clearly the ghost fighter's 638 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: voice in Paris's actual voice, because Paris's actual voice, I 639 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: feel like is little harder to find. There's like occasional 640 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: times when stuff gets really millennial and she'll be like, ah, yeah, 641 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to New York because shopping. But it's like 642 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: I feel like this is so Paris. Puffy and I 643 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: were hanging out at our camp at Bernie Man last 644 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: summer and he said, we're the ogs and we're killing 645 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: it more than of her. O's okay, that's Paris. So 646 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: like this part, though, I feel like it is very 647 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: not Paris. You're talking about Marilyn Monroe, and you feel 648 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: like this is the thesis for the whole book, given 649 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: the choice between victim and influencer. Marilyn and I embraced 650 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: a siren selves, and I'm kind of just like, I 651 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: feel like maybe Paris in her day to day isn't 652 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: being like talking about like embracing the role of siren. No, 653 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: she's a little more. I think she is kind of 654 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: affirmation and just like is talking about like my life 655 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: as a rock star, yes, ADHD survivor like she speaks, 656 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: I think a little more in poetry. Um, yeah, she's 657 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: not doing like for example, this is Paris that tim 658 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: where I saw the movie Big Daddy Ain't and she 659 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: realizes that, Like there's a scene in Big Daddy where 660 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: like he tells the kid to where sunglasses that makes 661 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: them feel invisible. I was immediately like, yes, that works. 662 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: That's why I always need my sunglasses with me night 663 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: or day. And that's what was in my heart when 664 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: I did a line of Y two K inspired sunglasses 665 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: with Quay, a brand led by women, with a big 666 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: chunk of the money going to Project Glimmer, a nonprofit 667 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: dedicated to instilling confidence and forgotten girls. It's like, okay, 668 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: now I want to talk about Simple Life for a moment. 669 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: Literally the best show, one of the most iconic shows 670 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: shows ever. I will say that show changed our lives 671 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: and I came out like they were so fucking funny 672 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, I will say the Simple Life was 673 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: like so much to compare it to like Jarry's Bringer 674 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: for a Second, which I will say was like, you know, 675 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: exploitive of the rural community. Yeah, this was like the 676 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: people Paris says that they were staying with were like 677 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: in on the joke. Yeah, they were like in on 678 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: all the pranks. Her and Nicole were like so hilarious. 679 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 1: She was like we were literally like laughing eighteen hours 680 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: a day. And she talked a little about this time 681 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: but like Sarah Silverman and like Dave Letterman like making 682 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: fun of her and the coming and sense like that 683 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: was the time of like people being like Paris Holton 684 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: Reality TV like that's for losers. Yeah, like that's for myself. 685 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: Were the seeds of this very podcast by rejecting the 686 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: notion of there and we were like, no, we can 687 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: both ironically but ironically enjoy this culture and realize that 688 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: there's a generosity of spirit there, which also to this day, 689 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: it's like I was not watching Comedy Central Sarah Silverman 690 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: stand up, Like what Paris and Nicole were doing was 691 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: like so much room was hilarious when I saw Jesus Magic. No, 692 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean loves it. We're not not. Yeah, but and 693 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: then Sarah does actually apologize. I'm just saying, like that 694 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: was comedy gold, and I feel like the simple life 695 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: is not recognized enough for being like she Also, I 696 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: love that she is so proud of it and says 697 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: that people get that it's good. I feel like, a 698 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: it's it's generation defining, it's iconic that show has. I 699 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: think there's seeds of today's like modern kind of almost 700 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: like nihilism and like Twitter like eagirl esthetic in there, 701 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: because there's an intentional dizziness that is readably intentional. Wells 702 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: her whole that's hot kind and I think What she 703 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: was able to get across, even if people even couldn't 704 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: articulate it at the time, was that she was playing 705 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: a character and she was doing it for laughs. And 706 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: there was also this kind of like refusal to condescend. 707 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: I think it was like the typical liberal thing about 708 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: like going to Arkansas today would be people being like, Wow, 709 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: it's so sad that they live like this, and can 710 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: we build these people up in this sort of queer 711 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: eye notion of like how they would they would deal 712 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: with that family. We're just gonna like give you like 713 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: a sad live left love reno, right, whereas like Paris 714 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: and Nicole were being like, we're gonna make out with 715 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: these like hawk eyes and then just like acts like 716 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: get wasted like I was a random town bar. I'm saying, 717 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: one of the guys she like makes out with on 718 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: the Simple Life, she goes and now he's a finance 719 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: executive at Now how awesome is that? Can I say? Also, 720 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: so she talks about the iconic photo of her lindsay 721 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: On Bimbo Bimbo Sam like one of the most iconic 722 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: photos of all time, and she talks about it being iconic. 723 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: So the next day the iconic shot of Brittany, Lindsay 724 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: and me ran on the cover the near post with 725 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: the words Bimbo summit and gigantic type under her faces. 726 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 1: I didn't love the warning, but my bangs looked super cute. 727 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: How often can you nail that? Really, bangs are tricky. 728 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: The pap was right. It was an instant classic. All 729 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: these years later, I still see the pictures on T shirts, posters, 730 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: birthday cards. My favorite is the fold out laminated sunshade 731 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: that goes inside your windshield when it's hot. It's I 732 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: instantly I was like, Yes, went to AOL dot com 733 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: I want the sun owner. Yeah, as a corowner, I 734 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: want that. It made me think she's a lot of 735 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: the opposite of Prince Harry, because Prince Harry would just 736 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: probably like the pulp after me. It's so disrespectful to 737 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: me and my wife. Oh they print those things upout. 738 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: But it's like, this is an example of how I 739 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: feel like so much. But I love the way she 740 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: deals with her sex type. That was you know, put 741 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: out by like the gross girls, gun wild guy. She says, 742 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: if I was to put it out, this is what 743 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: I would do. The lighting would have been better. I 744 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: would have had proper hair makeup and wardrobe. The camera 745 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: angles and editing would have been way more flattering. I 746 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't have packaged it like a sleazy, low budget piece 747 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: of garbage. I would have not have had the poor 748 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: taste to dedicate a porn flict to the victims of 749 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: a terrorist attack. Seriously, what the actual fuck does that 750 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: even mean? Because as yeah, the opening title, it says 751 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: like this Viti, which was like a troll at the time, Right, 752 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: have you ever seen that? I have? And here I am, 753 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: I'm coming to the white table and saying I did 754 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: seek Out and I watched I remember watching it when 755 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: it first came out. Yeah, I'm sure we maybe even 756 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: viewed it together. And it's like grainy and she's like 757 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: giving the he has a huge ear talk. I mean, really, 758 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: that's awesome. So Rick Solomon, what an asshole? Okay, wait, 759 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: we do have to go to segments. But there's two 760 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: things I wanted to briefly discuss. One, do you remember 761 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,439 Speaker 1: that we did go to like a Nikki Hilton bag 762 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: signing once, like yeah, Macy's in downtown crossing. Yeah, and 763 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: again she was being such a cold bitch and like 764 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: I hate Nikki three, do you remember my Radar magazine? Yes, 765 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: like post said bless nation. Yeah, how screwy second rate 766 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: stars are taking over the world. I remember that poster 767 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: like that from somewhere, Yeah, Radar. There was kind of 768 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: Radar magazine that sassy, kind of snarky gucker of its moment. 769 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: And in the documentary she says like, oh, just like, well, 770 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 1: Nicky was younger and she didn't really going on. I'm sorry. 771 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: If my older sister was like clubbed and dragged away, 772 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: yeah and sent like to a crazy school in Utah, 773 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: I would be raising hell with my parents Arrence, and 774 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: I would be like what the fuck? And I feel 775 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: like Nikki didn't say anything, and she's so cold in 776 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: the dock. Oh god, she's frigid in the dock. I 777 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: mean she married a Roth's child. Like, yeah, she's up. 778 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: She's kind of like the Avunca. No, yeah, yeah, she's 779 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: the Avunca. It's kind of like get up your own ass. 780 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: But I don't know, And like I feel like Paris 781 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: is always like asking her to do things, and like, oh, 782 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: because she asked me, you to do the simple life 783 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: and she goes, no, that's not classy. So one other 784 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: thing is this story that I half remembered from two 785 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: thousand and five or two thousand and six when I 786 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: was living in New York City as an up and 787 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: coming at girl myself and at a Gallatin yea, he 788 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: was your campus. City was my campus. New York is crazy. Um. 789 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: A friend of mine had a drug dealer, and the 790 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: drug dealer also dealt to Paris, okay, And there was 791 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: a story. And now this is like hear say times too, 792 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: so whatever it does'nsue me. But it was like she 793 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: apparently got in to the drug dealer's car. And it 794 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: was when she was on the cover of Vanity Fair 795 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: about to get married to the other guy named Paris. No, 796 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: remember she was engaged to a guy named Paris. Yes, 797 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: and there was gonna be the Paris and Paris wedding, 798 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: And she was on the cover of Vannity Fair in 799 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: a wedding dress and was like wearing white her way, 800 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: and apparently she was like brandishing the cover, being like, oh, 801 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: I'm on the cover of Vanity Fair, and was like 802 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: demanding drugs, which I guess what you do when you're 803 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: meeting your a drug dealer. And she was getting like 804 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: coke and pot or whatever obsessed. Yeah, and pot actually 805 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: helps her with her same. Just two things before we 806 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: go to segments One, how curls the curls Junior ad 807 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: did help her reclaim her sexuality too. She like kind 808 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: of it's just so sad, but like kind of beautiful. 809 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: How now she can like have sex with her husband. 810 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: But she was just like I literally like couldn't come 811 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: for years or just like have sex because I was 812 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: like so traumatized. Yeah. Three, she didn't vote when she 813 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: was just like I once told someone that I voted 814 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump, but honestly, I was like, thank you 815 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 1: for saying that, Please be honest about not budding. I 816 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: remember seeing her on tyrrel wearing a John Kerry as 817 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: a rock star team and I think you could like 818 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: buy them at herban On Fitters, And remember being like, okay, word, Paris, 819 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: You're like question, I was like one of those things 820 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: as the team. You're kind of like, I don't know 821 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 1: if I'm buying this is really buying that's from you, babe. 822 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: And then last thing is that she's like, look a 823 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: lot of people say I invented the selfie, but actually 824 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: the Grand Duchess Anastasia in like in nineteen twenty four 825 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: invented the selfie and it's like give credit where credit is, yeah, 826 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: thats what does she eat? What does she wear? Does 827 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: she love? What does she eat? Well? Remember frost flakes 828 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: um when she's like me and Demi Lavada both love talk. No. 829 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: I literally I was like, oh, I guess I'm not 830 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: going to get to this. And in my notes I 831 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: have like Demilovado's bad is covered in Taco Bell pillows. Well, 832 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: Taco Bell is the hot girl fast food along with 833 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: In and Out and Shake Shock because they're just like 834 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: very It's like it's very La like LA's girls, Like 835 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: it's like cute for them. Have you noticed that? To 836 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: be like, I'm fucking ridiculous, Like it's a Baja blast culture, 837 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, I know it's so stupid. I'm actually like, sorry, 838 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: a Taco Bell's gross. Okay, Yeah, I don't agree. I 839 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: think it is hot girl culture and I am a 840 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,919 Speaker 1: hot girl who loves a coruntrap supreme, So why don't 841 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: you take yourself back to your New York City bodega? 842 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: And I know that like maybe like New York hot 843 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: grow culture is more like bodega and more like you know, 844 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: flame and hot cheetos and whatever. Yeah, and it's like 845 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: less actually going to a full faster restaurant and like 846 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: McDonald's has more just like late night wasted culture. Yeah, 847 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm Donald's just like too general or something like that. 848 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: Like there's something like la and like fun of this 849 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: like fantasy of like being which is I think that 850 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: actually maybe real hot girl fast food is burger king 851 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: because burger king is so nasty and random. It shows 852 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: that you're like actually not eating fast food that much 853 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: and you're just like wait what I can't co sign 854 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: on that. I mean maybe in twenty years we can 855 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: get there. I've never heard of a hot girl bragging 856 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 1: about burger king. She also talks about she's like, yeah, no, 857 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: I am like a catholic and so is my husband, 858 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: like okay, And again invention of the eagirl because now 859 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: she's so like gold half eagirl about it and being 860 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: this kind of like this sort of like generous like 861 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: apathetic nihilism where you're like, I am going to have 862 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,800 Speaker 1: fun with everybody in bee Chill, but also I'm a catholic. 863 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: And now I think she's really like weed and kin euphoric, 864 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: like is more sober. She's definitely a callie sober for sure. 865 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 1: And I'm sure she has like eighteen different gummy lines 866 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: with Jigi Hudi, yes, and like different little like sparkling. However, 867 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: she live, as I said, she's still in her guests 868 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 1: era and it's still so pink and like Club Paris 869 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: and mini doghouses and like Ether and Crypto have their 870 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: own like miniature palaces within her palace. Well, and she 871 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,760 Speaker 1: said that her husband Carter quote unquote cured her club Byis, 872 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: which I was a phrase I love, I do. You're 873 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of actually I was thinking of you. I was like, 874 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: you're a little like former club bydis You're coming in 875 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: for your club by this queen and my club editor. 876 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: And now I'm no longer needing to like go to 877 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: eighteen different parties. Yeah, you're like in your restaurant era 878 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: less club by this. So she's made and we're gonna 879 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,839 Speaker 1: care my restaurantitis question. So now she's a little more 880 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: just like I've made a club in my house. Also, 881 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 1: she like definitely segues throughout her house. I think her house, 882 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, her house is obviously like so built in 883 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. And then like Reynaud in two 884 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, and it is a lot of closets. 885 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: It's so closets. I feel it's like the only clause. 886 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: Every room has like sixty outlets, like yes, the amount 887 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: of outlet. Well, she is she has seven phones, one 888 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: for personal, one for work, one for Europe, well yeah, 889 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: one for Europe, one for texting, just texting, one for 890 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: she's wants to give her phone number to someone but 891 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 1: isn't totally sure yet. Oh, and one for prank calling. Oh, 892 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: this is the fun part where she does say about 893 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: Kathy where she was like, I learned the art of 894 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: prank calling from my mom, And I didn't know actually 895 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: how goofy my mom was till she went on her housewives. 896 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: And she can do like really good voices. Yeah, but 897 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like again she's just kind of 898 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: be nice to her mom, and this way, I think 899 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: she's still terrified of her mom. I think there's part 900 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,840 Speaker 1: of her that's all that is so terrified and say like, 901 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know my mom could be funny until I 902 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,720 Speaker 1: saw her on Housewives. I think she's so self conscious 903 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: about how bad this book makes her mom look, that 904 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: she's packed it with like a lot of compliments about Kathy. 905 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: What does she wear? Okay, wait the part of the 906 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: beginning where she was like, yeah, I was wearing rude 907 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,879 Speaker 1: message teas from Zoos. Yes, so I found a gad 908 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: Zook's tea on Etsy and it's like a ring or 909 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,479 Speaker 1: tea with a picture of her turtle and it says 910 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with a little junk in the trunk. So 911 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: it's like the message is not that rude, it's just 912 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: pretty like Urban Outfitters was wearing. Are those teas that 913 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: said like Jesus is watching look busy? But she was 914 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: Jesus as my homeboy Area Virginia's for lovers. Yeah, and 915 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 1: now she's just being like track suits only because she's 916 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: always Djane I love in the documentary, she's always having 917 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,840 Speaker 1: like grabbed her laptop and be like, wait, where is 918 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: my laptop? When she goes this one, I'm saying her 919 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: house is so closet. She goes in that room and 920 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: there's like thirty laptops and then she's always like throwing 921 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: laptops out, and then like her ex boyfriend's stealing her 922 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: laptop and she's a kick him out, Yeah, because she 923 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: needs that to dj honestly, you do need a teacher. 924 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: I will say, like I came away from this book 925 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: believing that she's actually a DJ, because yes, well she's 926 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: always always talking about music production and a pretty specific way. 927 00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 1: She's like, oh, and then by the late nineties, like 928 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: pop music was becoming like a lot cleaner on the 929 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,400 Speaker 1: production side, and actually like Baby One More Time was 930 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: a really interesting album because of like how like electronic 931 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: and clean them. I mean, I've always believed she's a 932 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: real DJ. I mean, you know, we have a good 933 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 1: friends of DJ. I think we're familiar with Djane. A 934 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: lot of Djane is pressing play I mean in the 935 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: way that like some celebrities are slowly just press play 936 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: on a prerecorded set, and like half her job is 937 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: truly DJ. She's like, yeah, I'm just going to play 938 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: Abiza for like an entire month. Yeah, she has much 939 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 1: more residency at a club. And I will say I 940 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: think that she is making a set like on Ableton 941 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,360 Speaker 1: or Logic before, and then she's not really like picking 942 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: the songs on the fly when she's doing like some 943 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 1: of her sets, and then she's just doing some like 944 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,359 Speaker 1: nabbing throughout, but she's still like, oh, yeah, I mean 945 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: sat together. Yeah, I don't know how much. It's like 946 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: Wicka Wicka and just saying like her passion for the 947 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 1: true residence ze Israel, passion for um who you're in 948 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 1: the book, Yeah, I'm Paris because we're just like two 949 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,320 Speaker 1: A D. D Chicas like living our life. I actually 950 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,839 Speaker 1: wrote I think that your Paris as a child when 951 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: she's cutting out editorials and Vanity Fair and Vogue and 952 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,320 Speaker 1: putting them on her wall because her childhood bedroom was 953 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:24,800 Speaker 1: covered congee, No, that is so true. We're like huge 954 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 1: collage artists. I really like the part where she's talking 955 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 1: about David la Chapelle and she uses the term inflection 956 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: point and she's talking about that whole era of David 957 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: LaChapelle doing all of these like photoshoots, and like she 958 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,720 Speaker 1: does the shot of her and um they like sneak 959 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: into and she like gives a fuck you to the 960 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,320 Speaker 1: camera and it's like a fuck you to the Hilton 961 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: Dynasty and he says he says fuck you first, Yeah, 962 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 1: and it makes her say fuck you. But I think 963 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: Davila Chapelle is like, you think you're David la Chapelle. 964 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,440 Speaker 1: Well no, but I do think that she gets at 965 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,239 Speaker 1: something which is like Culter does need these gay men 966 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: who like are so into like female of a worship 967 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,839 Speaker 1: that helps society like understand like women that they would 968 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 1: have dismissed or thought of a superficial and embrace them 969 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: in a way. And I see it now with like 970 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 1: Mike White and like Jennifer Coolidge, where it's like we 971 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,319 Speaker 1: do kind of need our gay men to hold up women. 972 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: And even even though they are Andy Cohen, even though 973 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: they are like also like superficializing them in a way, 974 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: they're also celebrating them and giving them an interior and 975 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 1: like a narrative in a way that like society needs 976 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 1: whether it realizes it or not. I'm so glad you 977 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 1: said that was needed elevate that we're going to end 978 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: the pot on that one. But yeah, I guess you 979 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 1: are a little David LaChapelle though, because like you are 980 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,279 Speaker 1: a little mischievous in that way where you would like, 981 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: let's break into your parents house and you'd be like, 982 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 1: why do you care your literally personal Now, I mean 983 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 1: that's so me being like why do you care? Why 984 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 1: do you even care? Like, oh, you're so scared and 985 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: be like I don't know it's my grandparents, and you'd 986 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: be like, oh, because you're such a like grandma lover. Yeah, 987 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,400 Speaker 1: So there you go. You're iconic. So I'm gonna go 988 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,960 Speaker 1: ahead and say I give this book actually three point 989 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:10,319 Speaker 1: eight tiny Pomeranians out of five. I think, like there's 990 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 1: a ton of incredible content. I mean, like her escaping 991 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: from abuse school is like so thrilling and impressive, and 992 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 1: like she is this real survivor and she's not just 993 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: slapping a surviber narrative arc onto like a regular story, 994 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: which some of celebrities do. Like there is so much 995 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,439 Speaker 1: meat here. I give it four ferrets out of five. 996 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 1: And I think to what you're getting at is like 997 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 1: the writing of it, like you feel you are there 998 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 1: with her, and that's so detailed. It's kind of not 999 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: just like it was bad, bad, bad, move on, this 1000 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,000 Speaker 1: is what I learned, Like you're in there and solitary 1001 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 1: confined with her. It's the bus. But then it's also 1002 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: like cookie parentheses. Ultimately, though there is a sheen over 1003 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: this book that is very Paris Hilton, but that's over 1004 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,880 Speaker 1: the documentary as well. Well, you're still never really getting 1005 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,399 Speaker 1: the core. I mean, the Glarian emission to this book 1006 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,720 Speaker 1: as the follow with Nicole Ritchie, and she just speaks 1007 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: about Nicole very positively and like loves the simple life, 1008 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: but then kind of after the simple life, there's just 1009 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: no mention of her. And it's like, this is like 1010 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,200 Speaker 1: maybe one of the most important relationships of your whole 1011 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,840 Speaker 1: life and career, and you're just not going to mention 1012 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: it at all. I think Nicole said. I read somewhere 1013 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,760 Speaker 1: or heard Nicole said, Paris and I are like friends 1014 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: from high school, will always be friends. We don't have 1015 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: to talk every week or say every month or even 1016 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,400 Speaker 1: every year. Yeah, but like we'll always go back to 1017 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: that place, which is just like, Yes, I literally was 1018 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,880 Speaker 1: stomping to the iHeart Studios to Jealousy on her famous 1019 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: album Stars Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy. It's such an evil thing 1020 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,919 Speaker 1: about Nicole, which is technically about Nicole. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, 1021 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,920 Speaker 1: I want more of that dirt. I want more about 1022 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,359 Speaker 1: her and Kim. Also, she's very positive to her early 1023 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,719 Speaker 1: two thousands girlies, Brittany lindsay, she's not going to drag 1024 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,520 Speaker 1: them in because this is her story, not theirs. And 1025 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, she I think, like doesn't want the stories 1026 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 1: about the book to be like negative talking to about 1027 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,879 Speaker 1: other women. So it's like I did see one story 1028 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,240 Speaker 1: about her, one page about pink being just like Paris 1029 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: Hilton drags pink like in her book, and so she 1030 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: didn't want that to be then knows what's going to happen. 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