Speaker 1: Hi everyone, This is George with a very quick message
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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now. Hello all and welcome to Stradio Lab.
Speaker 2: We are coming at you bikosally per Huge and it's
Speaker 2: just me and George today, just us. What's up.
Speaker 1: You know, we're doing a call in show, which we
Speaker 1: normally do for Patreon, and so in my mind, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to spill all the tea. I'm ready to talk
Speaker 1: to the Patreoni stays like they are my family. I'm
Speaker 1: ready to be like, do you know what happened.
Speaker 2: The other day? Do you know that she was being
Speaker 2: so weird to me?
Speaker 1: But I have to remember that, you know, I have
Speaker 1: to put up my professional my profile, my professional mask.
Speaker 1: I have to take off my gesterre mask that I
Speaker 1: work for Patreon, put on my professional mask, my blazer,
Speaker 1: my tie, my Brooks Brother's crisp non iron white shirt
Speaker 1: that I got it's three for you know, three for
Speaker 1: three seventy five, and I have to get into the office.
Speaker 1: I'm on the subway. I'm getting off at Penn station.
Speaker 1: I'm crossing the street almost getting hit by a taxi
Speaker 1: cab Allah opening montage of Delaware's products so I can
Speaker 1: get into the studio and report the news.
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, when I'm doing a regular episode, I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm the President of the United States giving a price,
Speaker 2: feel like I'm giving a press conference. Everyone's going to
Speaker 2: be picking apart every single word. There's going to be
Speaker 2: multiple debates about like what I really meant by certain phrases,
Speaker 2: and the pressure is on in a huge way.
Speaker 1: Whereas when we're recording Patreon, it is Madonna in the
Speaker 1: Truth or Dare documentary simulating a blowjob with a water bottle.
Speaker 1: That is what that is what Patreon episodes are. And listen,
Speaker 1: if you know, you.
Speaker 2: Know, if you know you know, can we talk about
Speaker 2: how Madonna's like whole thing is like I'm going to
Speaker 2: simulate sex, Like she found out out one time and
Speaker 2: she was like, I'm never gonna stop simulating sex. I'm
Speaker 2: fucking crazy. I'm Madonna.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna stop simulating sex. I'm never gonna stop
Speaker 1: referencing Catholicism.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, this is an interesting timing episode.
Speaker 1: Interesting timing, Sam, How are you feeling.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling mixed. So we found out this week that
Speaker 2: the show I write for After Midnight on CBS is
Speaker 2: being canceled. So it was a weird week, a very
Speaker 2: weird week, and it's mostly a bummer. It's hard to
Speaker 2: talk about, but it's a big bummer because, like I
Speaker 2: do feel like the show, the group of writers was
Speaker 2: so fun and like to get a space to actually
Speaker 2: do like fun, silly, weird alt comedy and have it
Speaker 2: be like through the CBS lens was like kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: And I'm like feeling a little bit like damn, is
Speaker 2: this ever gonna happen again? I even feel like I
Speaker 2: don't know, like the working for head regular Joe Firestone
Speaker 2: is the privilege of a lifetime, and it is like
Speaker 2: it's a bummer because I'm like, what's yeah, no one
Speaker 2: knows what's next. It's it's just a bummer. And like
Speaker 2: they're not even like they're just getting rid of the
Speaker 2: time slot now, like they're not even going to put
Speaker 2: a new show in.
Speaker 1: Like, oh they aren't. I didn't know if that was excited.
Speaker 1: So does that mean there's going to be like a
Speaker 1: rerun of something.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be like infomercials, like what yeah, okay, I'm
Speaker 2: logging in and buying a treadmille. It's like fully like
Speaker 2: local affiliates and whoa, it's they're just getting rid of
Speaker 2: that the twelve thirty slot.
Speaker 1: Well, I just want to say everyone involved in that
Speaker 1: show truly did the impossible, which is take a late
Speaker 1: night show on network television that is a reboot of
Speaker 1: a previous show that was very of its time.
Speaker 2: Let's face very of its time.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to reboot something like that and make
Speaker 1: it relevant. And launched a new show in the midst
Speaker 1: of sort of like an uninspiring late night you know, ecosystem,
Speaker 1: and did it without like huge big name a list celebrities,
Speaker 1: without you know, gimmicks where Sidney Sweeney is lip syncing
Speaker 1: to Chapel Roone and really like in a very kind
Speaker 1: of like throwback way, and listed real comedians and the
Speaker 1: mix of up and comers and big names and actually
Speaker 1: like made a funny show that was funny from the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a there's just like not outlets for
Speaker 2: comedians to do this type of thing.
Speaker 1: So I was saying before we started recording that this episode,
Speaker 1: this conversation is giving me such intense deja vus of
Speaker 1: when we recorded our Patreon app after Gawker shut down.
Speaker 2: So for anyone.
Speaker 1: I can't remember how much of this was talked about
Speaker 1: on a main episode versus Patreon, but from like twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one to twenty twenty three, I guess I was
Speaker 1: an editor at the reboot of Gawker that relaunched under
Speaker 1: new ownership, and then it was shut down two years later.
Speaker 1: And it's occurring to me think of the parallels the
Speaker 1: time frame the reboot, like the time frame exact, same
Speaker 1: time frame exacts. It was a reboot of something that
Speaker 1: was popular in like the twentyds and early twenty tens.
Speaker 1: It was a job that was unlike any other job
Speaker 1: that existed in that industry. It's like, there's no other
Speaker 1: late night show that does what the sort of like
Speaker 1: old comedy thing that After Midnight did, and there's no
Speaker 1: other like website that had the like sort of like
Speaker 1: funky sensibility that that Cocker did. It's not like either
Speaker 1: of us could then be like, Okay, great, so I'll
Speaker 1: just I'll just go to this other, you know, similar
Speaker 1: place both you know, sort of like women boss head
Speaker 1: writers that we became good friends with, like various sort
Speaker 1: of like tight knit group of co workers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of similarities.
Speaker 1: Probably similar size staff like it's and especially the timeframe too,
Speaker 1: It's like it was basically like between a year and
Speaker 1: a half and two years for both of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: industries that are in crisis, to say the least, like
Speaker 1: this sort of halfway point between. I mean not not
Speaker 1: to invoke the word journalism, but I just mean, like
Speaker 1: there's it's it's like funny news commentary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny news commentary.
Speaker 1: Of the type that you know more and more is
Speaker 1: being replaced by talk and by influencers and whatever else,
Speaker 1: and listen, the world goes on. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: I think we should freeze the state of culture in
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen and not allow people to innovate. But it's
Speaker 1: just a bygone era.
Speaker 2: It's a bygone era. And even like it's so I
Speaker 2: don't know, like even little stuff like like just like
Speaker 2: going to the paramount law is like, well this is
Speaker 2: fun kind of totally totally like what do you mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to come here anymore.
Speaker 1: Something people don't talk about is how when a job ends,
Speaker 1: you stop being a human person in the eyes of
Speaker 1: the entity that once gave you that job, Like it's
Speaker 1: really interest is your badge stops working, and you no
Speaker 1: longer if you actually and if you like, you know,
Speaker 1: open the door and go in, you will be arrested.
Speaker 2: Like you are no.
Speaker 1: Longer seen as a person in the eyes of the
Speaker 1: Paramount law.
Speaker 2: It's so weird to the weird. This is weird because
Speaker 2: we know now the show is not coming back, and
Speaker 2: yet the show is going till mid June, and so
Speaker 2: it's like, what is the vibe going to be? Like
Speaker 2: I sort of think.
Speaker 1: That it'll be fun, Like there's gonna be this sort
Speaker 1: of you know, we're all it's gonna be over soon anyway,
Speaker 1: So why not like take risks?
Speaker 2: Why not throw stuff at the wall? That's the hope.
Speaker 2: I mean the classic is the Conan like last week
Speaker 2: or whatever, when he was just like spent as much
Speaker 2: money as he possibly could. There's like something too, to
Speaker 2: go in Wild, to go in Buck Wild, And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna miss the Paramount Lot. Jim. It's frozen in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety five in a way that you it literally should be.
Speaker 1: A historic So I didn't know you went to the
Speaker 1: gym in the Paramount Lot.
Speaker 2: Oh of course, Well well yes, and me and Jason Ridder.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know I mean, we've talked about
Speaker 1: Jason ridd but you know, I once saw him at
Speaker 1: a bar and Los Angeles, at where Rachel Pegrim hosts
Speaker 1: her show what's that place called?
Speaker 2: Oh covell Well he that man handsome, handsome, handsome, handsome,
Speaker 2: handsome and sweet. Now that is a cutie right there,
Speaker 2: cutie pie, sweetie pie kind I got it all.
Speaker 1: Oh perfect, sorry body, boyish face, boyish face, gorgeous, smart,
Speaker 1: talented wife. Yes, beautiful marriage is able to sort of
Speaker 1: like be publicly romantic in a way that isn't cringey.
Speaker 2: Man of the people goes to the Paramount Lodge.
Speaker 1: Man of the people goes to the Paramount Lodge.
Speaker 2: Him when he could go to Equinox. Oh, I just
Speaker 2: know his as voted for Bernie Sanders. If you doubted
Speaker 2: that for even one second, fool, Yeah, no, I'm addicted
Speaker 2: to him. I'm trying to think. Oh yeah. The other
Speaker 2: thing about losing the job now is that, like the
Speaker 2: one big difference between the where the parallel stop is
Speaker 2: that I moved to La for it. That's true, And
Speaker 2: I'm sort of like, wait, what, Like I'm like having
Speaker 2: to reckon with like do I stay here? Do I leave,
Speaker 2: Like what's I'm like so confused.
Speaker 1: People keep texting me art is Sam moving back, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm giving him three days And then I'm
Speaker 1: asking I very intentionally have not asked you, Like when
Speaker 1: you told me that this was happening, I didn't immediately
Speaker 1: respond like sorry an act.
Speaker 2: It's really a confusing thing because there's so much of
Speaker 2: LA that I feel like, like, one, it was like
Speaker 2: a lot of work to get settled here and to
Speaker 2: like figure everything out. Yeah, and now I'm like there
Speaker 2: is more to glean from this town. But also like
Speaker 2: I love New York, but there's it's it's really complicated.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's also something about moving to LA. And
Speaker 1: by the way, for people who don't listen to the Patron,
Speaker 1: a good seventy percent of it is New York versus La.
Speaker 2: So buckle in, bitch, bitch, I mean, this whole podcast
Speaker 2: is that's what it's about. That's what it's about.
Speaker 1: So there is something about moving to LA that feels
Speaker 1: like graduating, Like New York is college and La is
Speaker 1: your first job totally. And so it's a very common
Speaker 1: story that you know, someone in our circle moves to
Speaker 1: LA for a job and then the job inevitably ends
Speaker 1: and they stay there. Yeah, and so I would understand
Speaker 1: if you wanted to stay. It's complicated because I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about LA a little bit in a bit,
Speaker 1: because there's a question about, you know, the sort of
Speaker 1: dreamscape of Los Angeles, California at this particular moment, but
Speaker 1: it is in such a weird place. The vibes are
Speaker 1: off in such a way that I can imagine it
Speaker 1: would be especially uh not enjoyable to be unemployed there,
Speaker 1: even if it was for a short amount of time.
Speaker 1: Like there's something about being aimless in LA that is
Speaker 1: less romantic than being aimless in York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like curious to see how that feels. To
Speaker 2: be honest, I've because even when we have hiatuses, I'm
Speaker 2: like either flying to New York or doing it's like
Speaker 2: feels busy. So I'm like, I'm like, I want to
Speaker 2: know that that darkness I felt in New York when
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, it's Tuesday and I haven't had a
Speaker 2: job in three months, Like what am I doing today?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm I'm I'm like wondering if it feels
Speaker 2: more hopeless or more hopeful here but my lease is
Speaker 2: still August. I think the end of August, so at
Speaker 2: least i'll have Yeah, you'll definitely be there.
Speaker 1: I'm to reflect, well, poor one out if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, even if it's nine am, poor one out
Speaker 1: for after midnight. And I just want to say thank
Speaker 1: you to CBS for giving all comedians opportunities, even if
Speaker 1: it was and even if you couldn't find want to
Speaker 1: take over the show out of the various people that
Speaker 1: could potentially do it anyway, should we take our first call?
Speaker 2: Okay, let's say our first call. Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: Hi, George and Sam. I'm calling because I am currently
Speaker 3: attending library school in Los Angeles, California, and I have
Speaker 3: converted several other members of my cohort into stradio lab listeners.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: And we were wondering, we're all queer women. We were wondering,
Speaker 4: we're on the range of gata strait. The different types
Speaker 4: of librarian information sciences people lie. So that's public librarians,
Speaker 4: academic librarians, archivists, media archivists, because it's kind of different.
Speaker 5: Oh, in rare books people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, thanks love you guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, literally perfect call. So I'm just going to listen
Speaker 1: them again. Thank you librarian, academic, librarian, archivist, media archivist,
Speaker 1: rare books people.
Speaker 2: Damn, this is hard. First of all, I want to say,
Speaker 2: it's funny to attend library school. I understand.
Speaker 1: First of all, I love one of my favorite phrases
Speaker 1: the information sciences.
Speaker 2: Information science is library school. That's very doctor hospital. I
Speaker 2: go to library school.
Speaker 1: One of the most iconic things you can do is
Speaker 1: go to library school. I'm always so obsessed with people
Speaker 1: that have a master's in information science and the idea
Speaker 1: that there is a group of queer women all in
Speaker 1: library school that listen to Stradio Lab and potentially have
Speaker 1: a group chat about it where they're like what they
Speaker 1: said is so rare books coded. It fills my heart
Speaker 1: with so much joy. And I just want to tell
Speaker 1: you on this Friday, March twenty eighth, when we're recording this,
Speaker 1: that you are a star.
Speaker 2: You are a star. We appreciate you, and you fill
Speaker 2: my mind with wonder. You know what you forget that
Speaker 2: people can go to library school and be a group
Speaker 2: of queer women in library school. I feel like when
Speaker 2: you say that, I feel like I'm like literally reading
Speaker 2: Harry Potter like, I'm like, there's magic in the world.
Speaker 5: No, it is.
Speaker 1: I'm so, it's literally it actually brings me hope that
Speaker 1: there is as I'm doing whatever I'm doing here and
Speaker 1: having my protein bar and a seltzer. You know, there
Speaker 1: is an alternate universe where there is literally a group
Speaker 1: of queer women that are learning so much every day
Speaker 1: about information science, about rare books, about media archiving, and
Speaker 1: at least at the end of the day we have that.
Speaker 2: Damn. I bet their clothing swap goes crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, all right, public librarian, academic librarian, archivist,
Speaker 1: media archivist, rare book. Okay, off the bat media archivist
Speaker 1: is the gayest one.
Speaker 2: Really. No, well, I'm tell me your reasoning. I was
Speaker 2: thinking public librarian.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're right, Okay, maybe, well, okay, here's the thing though,
Speaker 1: lepers in society, public librarian obviously is the most kind
Speaker 1: of politically radical, you know if yes, obviously, However, think
Speaker 1: about the archetype of a public librarian. It is, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like older lady, long skirt, funky wood based jewelry,
Speaker 1: like a little vest that has an apple with a
Speaker 1: worm coming out of it, and as much as to
Speaker 1: be clear, I would die for her.
Speaker 2: She is straight rather than gay. That's true. If I
Speaker 2: were in the library and I were looking for a
Speaker 2: gay book, I would I would sort of be like like,
Speaker 2: I would almost be like, well, it's for school exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's like there's also something about
Speaker 1: the public librarian being the archetypal librarian, aka the default,
Speaker 1: which makes it inherently in the framework of gay versus
Speaker 1: straight that is the norm.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean she's bad. I'm sure she has a amazing
Speaker 2: center left politics. Totally damn Okay, I like that. So
Speaker 2: she's the straightest.
Speaker 1: I almost think she's the straightest. Yeah, I almost think
Speaker 1: she's the straightest.
Speaker 2: I think the librarian scale is hard because it starts
Speaker 2: at such a queer place.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, And I'm now actually thinking maybe
Speaker 1: Rare Books is the most queer. I mean, come on, rare.
Speaker 2: Well, it's pretentious, pretentious. It's also like knowing the B sides.
Speaker 2: It's also like putting value in something like you're like
Speaker 2: creating a you're creating like wealth within something that shouldn't
Speaker 2: have it.
Speaker 1: Totally okay, So here's my Okay, here's my right ranking
Speaker 1: from GATA Straight rare books, media archivist, academic librarian, archivist
Speaker 1: public because I'm like, if there's media archivist, then if
Speaker 1: you're an archivist, you're being exclusionary. There is the option
Speaker 1: for media archivists, and you're just an archivist.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Wait? Okay wait, rare books, rare
Speaker 2: books is gayest. Yes, media archivist. Media archivist's next gayist.
Speaker 1: Because media archivist is literally you have an Instagram account.
Speaker 1: Media archivist is you have an Instagram account dedicated to
Speaker 1: like Issimiaki fashion photo shoots from the nineties.
Speaker 2: You're literally showing Julia Roberts and you like, she tore
Speaker 2: with this exactly.
Speaker 1: Then we have academic librarian because to me, it's like
Speaker 1: which is right down the middle, and to me that
Speaker 1: is so bisexual and academic librarian you know she's into
Speaker 1: Hookoh I'm seeing like the frame glasses, like I'm seeing
Speaker 1: the little frames or even like a woman with spiked hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And then I have archivist. Archivist is just
Speaker 2: like put away your clothes. Yeah, it's kind of thing
Speaker 2: about archivist's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very like being interested in history in a
Speaker 1: really earnest way without wink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm an archivist, and then I.
Speaker 1: Think last, and then I think straightest is public librariy,
Speaker 1: and just because again that's the archetype of librarian.
Speaker 2: I think. I think that's so genius. I think you
Speaker 2: really nailed that. Thank you. And I don't disagree with
Speaker 2: any of them, and I'm glad we had a discussion
Speaker 2: because at first I needed some convincing. But you're totally right,
Speaker 2: God to be a librarian. I literally like, there's so
Speaker 2: many jobs. No, that's team. There's so many jobs where
Speaker 2: you're like, damn, like you can really just do that. Okay,
Speaker 2: next call.
Speaker 6: And I'm calling back. It's the girl who wants to
Speaker 6: talk about sexless LA.
Speaker 7: Sorry, I'll wrap it up.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to you guys to expand on that
Speaker 6: if you found it intriguing to do so, on the
Speaker 6: sexist nature of LA and one, I just find it interesting.
Speaker 6: And two, I literally have not wanted to have sex since.
Speaker 7: The day I got here five years ago. And I
Speaker 7: was in a relationship.
Speaker 6: When I got here, so that was a problem. And
Speaker 6: now I'm newly single and have no I.
Speaker 8: Am not inspired to go out there and pursue so
Speaker 8: uh yeah, looking to jump start and just want to
Speaker 8: know what your thoughts are.
Speaker 6: Overall, Okay, thanks.
Speaker 1: I do just want to say this is the second
Speaker 1: part of this caller's call, but the first part is
Speaker 1: there's no way around it three minutes long. So I
Speaker 1: it and so I just I'm playing this as a
Speaker 1: tribute to her, and the main gist of it is
Speaker 1: that she wants us to talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about how La is sexless and Sam, you had a
Speaker 1: something you wanted to share.
Speaker 2: I had something I wanted to share, which I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if I said. If I have said this before,
Speaker 2: you're allowed to punch me in the face if you
Speaker 2: see me. Yeahs.
Speaker 1: If he hasn't been through enough this week, folks.
Speaker 2: Lose his job.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 1: Listeners are going to be chasing him trying to punch
Speaker 1: him in the face.
Speaker 2: I there's a I in trying to like La. I
Speaker 2: was reading Joan Didion's The White Album and there's an
Speaker 2: essay in it about La that you know was written
Speaker 2: in like the seventies, and she's talking about how one
Speaker 2: there's all this stuff that feels very relevant where it's
Speaker 2: about like the town like it. The industry is failing.
Speaker 2: The industry is failing, the industry as we know it
Speaker 2: is gone. And it's funny because that's like nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: three that she's saying this, that everyone in town is
Speaker 2: saying it, so it's just sort of an always that feeling,
Speaker 2: always always there. But then she talks about how it's
Speaker 2: at its core a gambling town where you're always like
Speaker 2: gambling on ideas and trying to get rich quick, and
Speaker 2: because like all gambling towns, it is sexless, and it's
Speaker 2: like due to its gambling nature that people are not
Speaker 2: horny for sex, they're horny for like money and success,
Speaker 2: which I thought was cool. It really put it in
Speaker 2: perspective for me.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the gambling thing also erodes a sense
Speaker 1: of trust, almost like there's just a general suspicion that
Speaker 1: exists in the air.
Speaker 2: I think there's a suspicion. I think there's like a
Speaker 2: you're always sort of plotting. You're like, well, when's my
Speaker 2: next paycheck? Like, well, how what will this get me
Speaker 2: in the long run? In a way that's like you
Speaker 2: don't you shouldn't be thinking like that. You should be
Speaker 2: thinking about people's beautiful bodies totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need a baseline of comfort so that you
Speaker 1: can wake up and be horny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I even think you would think that you
Speaker 2: would that people would be like, well, I'll sleep my
Speaker 2: way to the top or something like that, but it's
Speaker 2: like doesn't work. People have learned that it's better to
Speaker 2: withhold and make people want you than to like give
Speaker 2: it up, which is so disgusting I find. For me,
Speaker 2: a big part of the sexlessness also is the car,
Speaker 2: because you in New York, you walk around, you see people,
Speaker 2: and you just inherently are like as a person, You're
Speaker 2: like that's hot, that person's hot, or like that person's
Speaker 2: serving or that. Like there's like a sexuality of just
Speaker 2: seeing people all day, and when you are in a car,
Speaker 2: you're like you are literally just like less turned on.
Speaker 2: You just like aren't seeing people in the same capacity. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's really true.
Speaker 1: There's also okay I'm trying to say this without misspeaking,
Speaker 1: but it's like the depictions of sex within like the
Speaker 1: idea of the casting couch. Is there anything less erotic
Speaker 1: than that? Like you are literally taking imagine the most
Speaker 1: kind of like dumpy room you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: It's like a.
Speaker 1: Like a conference room with overhead lighting basically, and then
Speaker 1: someone is attempting to infuse sex into that. It's like
Speaker 1: there's in New York and an appropriate sexual relationship is
Speaker 1: like you're in the boardroom and everyone is in blazers
Speaker 1: and both people are powerful and they're just like so
Speaker 1: powerful that they have to fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like, what's this going to do to
Speaker 2: the firm? And it's like, who fuck the firm?
Speaker 10: The firm?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like, yeah, there is. Sex is
Speaker 2: so entwined with like power here that it's not fun
Speaker 2: because you're always thinking like is this Because even if
Speaker 2: you're not coworkers, you're like, well, I could be, like
Speaker 2: I could be co workers with essentially anyone on the
Speaker 2: street right now, and so it's like, well, I can't
Speaker 2: fuck them because I will effuct my coworker. It's very weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also it's interesting the way sex is by
Speaker 1: default commodified in Los Angeles and Hollywood inherently deuroticizes it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh.
Speaker 1: So you're looking at a naked man or woman or
Speaker 1: a person that's not sexy. That's a billboard, that's a
Speaker 1: movie trailer, that's.
Speaker 2: A movie trailer. You're looking at Chris Pratt. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you're trying to be turned on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's not what this is about. This is
Speaker 1: about dollar signs.
Speaker 2: Malma. I feel, yeah, I can feel it happening to me. Really,
Speaker 2: I can feel myself being less horny. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: in a way that's like I almost have to remind myself, like,
Speaker 2: don't forget who you are. You're the guy that sexualizes
Speaker 2: everything totally. You're the guy that thinks everything so hot.
Speaker 1: That's like how that happened to me after I got married,
Speaker 1: where I only wanted to have sex with my husband,
Speaker 1: and I had to remind myself, you're gay. Get out
Speaker 1: there and find other men.
Speaker 2: You stupid. All right, call next.
Speaker 11: Call Hey, George and Sam.
Speaker 2: This is Isle in Brooklyn and I'm calling.
Speaker 9: Someone asked me this question a few months ago, and
Speaker 9: I think about it all the time, so I wanted
Speaker 9: to see what your take on.
Speaker 10: It was pretty simple question.
Speaker 9: What is the most expensive emotion and what is the cheapest?
Speaker 3: All right? Bye?
Speaker 2: Love that past guest.
Speaker 1: Isle shout out to Ale, what do you think?
Speaker 2: So we talked briefly about this. First thing that came
Speaker 2: to mind is that love is the most expensive, horny
Speaker 2: is the cheapest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we both independently came up with love
Speaker 1: is the most expensive. It is, you know, potentially obvious answer.
Speaker 1: But of course love makes you act in irrational ways.
Speaker 1: Love makes you sacrifice things you would not otherwise sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Love is not transactional. Love can be unconditional. All these
Speaker 1: things are gonna absolutely rob you of your money, dignity,
Speaker 1: and integrity on a day to day basis.
Speaker 2: So watch out and I would know. Yeah, I hear. Okay,
Speaker 2: Love is the album and Horney is the single.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's another expensive emotion. Yeah, I think maybe like
Speaker 1: resentment gnaws at you so much. You know what resentment is.
Speaker 1: It's like you think it's fast fashion, Like you think
Speaker 1: it's an easy thing, but then it's actually full of
Speaker 1: microplastics and it's slowly killing you.
Speaker 11: Wow.
Speaker 2: In the enviral, I actually really like that. I like
Speaker 2: that you're I think you're taking this question in a
Speaker 2: different direction than I did, but in a way that
Speaker 2: I really enjoy. Like you're thinking literally like the cost
Speaker 2: of having this emotion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whereas you're thinking love is so I think it's
Speaker 1: like rich, unreachable, that it would take so much to
Speaker 1: get to love. Yeah, I see it, Yeah, exactly. Whereas
Speaker 1: horny is more simple. Yeah, I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of other cheap emotions.
Speaker 2: I had a cheap one that I go back and
Speaker 2: forth on. Okay, yeah, okay, nostalgia. I think you're so
Speaker 2: you get like a burst of nostalgia. I think that's
Speaker 2: a cheap, cheap emotion. But okay, when it's nostalgia from
Speaker 2: smell or taste, I think that's rich. I think that's expensive.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, when you like smell something and you're like whoa,
Speaker 2: and you're like taken back, that's that can be kind
Speaker 2: of crazy because that's like time travel. But when you're
Speaker 2: just like, god, I love the nineties, like let's watch
Speaker 2: you know, the Simpsons, then it's a little like okay, stop. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the more personal to you, Yeah, Like, the
Speaker 1: more personal to you it is, the more sophisticated it is,
Speaker 1: and the more relatable words that are, like never forget
Speaker 1: nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, we know, honey, you wouldn't let me
Speaker 2: forget it if I tried.
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't. Yeah, I know one's gonna try. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: we remember, we remember.
Speaker 2: I'm you know.
Speaker 1: Of course, the to me a big open question here
Speaker 1: is where does hate fit into it? And to expand
Speaker 1: on that different forms of hate, like you know, sort
Speaker 1: of like low level snark or criticism. I mean criticism
Speaker 1: is not an emotion, but like you know, sort of
Speaker 1: like disgusted. Like, where do those kinds of like toxic
Speaker 1: negative emotions fit into it? Because on the one hand,
Speaker 1: they are easy to go to as a default. It's
Speaker 1: it's you know, you see something you don't like, immediately
Speaker 1: you recoil. On the other hand, of course, if you
Speaker 1: are filled with hate, that's going to take a toll.
Speaker 2: Well that's what I thought. Your resentment thing was very smart.
Speaker 2: Where I do think hate is similar where it's like
Speaker 2: it actually does cost the most, like m hmm, Like
Speaker 2: I think hate maybe is even more expensive than love
Speaker 2: because it like could ruin you.
Speaker 1: Right, and maybe discussed is more cheap because it's just
Speaker 1: like eh and then you know you move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. You ever see people that get like really
Speaker 2: lost in resentment and you're like, yeah, oh god.
Speaker 1: Well, this is something I've been thinking a lot about
Speaker 1: because there is I think the thirties are the resentment decade. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess what it is is resentment builds in your thirties.
Speaker 1: Either it solidifies into you just being a miserable person,
Speaker 1: or you battle it and come out of the other
Speaker 1: side and you are satisfied and comfortable with who you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you put that live love poster up and
Speaker 2: you say sey lovey exactly.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: your level of success, your attractiveness. People can be the
Speaker 1: President of the United States and be filled with resentment,
Speaker 1: and people can.
Speaker 2: Be you know, a random person.
Speaker 1: Who is you know, does customer service at Sigma, and
Speaker 1: they can be full of love.
Speaker 2: I loved watching that because I was like, Where's how's
Speaker 2: he going to land this? I was like, what what
Speaker 2: is the appropriate random person? And you really? You really
Speaker 2: nailed that. I think I nailed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, but I do think yeah, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: even like more thirty, you know, thirty five to forty
Speaker 1: five or something.
Speaker 2: It's not exactly thirties, But do you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: it's I do. It's a time when you just slightly
Speaker 2: only because I don't want to poke holes in your theory.
Speaker 2: I mostly like it. And this podcast is about agreeing,
Speaker 2: of course, but I'm just from personal experience. I feel
Speaker 2: like in I knew people that were so much more
Speaker 2: resentful in their twenties, really because maybe because they were
Speaker 2: like it was like stand up, and it was like
Speaker 2: everyone had this idea of like trying to make it
Speaker 2: before thirty or something, which is a false premise obviously,
Speaker 2: and you kind of have to be turn thirty to
Speaker 2: realize that. But a lot of people I could feel
Speaker 2: like in late twenties people get like clawing and being
Speaker 2: so upset and so jealous and so angry, and then
Speaker 2: in your thirties it's almost like the last scene in
Speaker 2: Mean Girls where all the girls are like, actually we
Speaker 2: like each other and we don't really care that much.
Speaker 2: So I think it depends either way. Resentment.
Speaker 1: It's like, you got to move past it. If you're
Speaker 1: feeling resentful.
Speaker 2: This is a wake up call.
Speaker 1: Literally, it's not like it's not good, it's not sustainable.
Speaker 1: It will not give you anything you are looking for.
Speaker 1: You have to move past it.
Speaker 2: You have to move past it, and you can still
Speaker 2: be critical. Yeah, oh my god, George and I are
Speaker 2: such haters. Oh my god, we hate everything, but we
Speaker 2: hate everything with love. That's okay.
Speaker 7: Next high sam on George, It's Heidi. This is actually
Speaker 7: my second time calling fun exciting.
Speaker 10: Love it.
Speaker 7: I have two questions. I'll just do the first one
Speaker 7: super super quick because I thought it would be fun
Speaker 7: and it's more so for George. So my family and
Speaker 7: I are going on a super awesome spring break vacation
Speaker 7: to greet which I'm so pumped about. And I was like, Oh,
Speaker 7: that's fun. It's George's old stumping grounds. So I was like, George,
Speaker 7: do you have any you know, recommendations, If you will,
Speaker 7: we're going to creat and appen, so pretty touristy but
Speaker 7: very exciting.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So that's the first question. Thanks George, and seconds for
Speaker 7: both of you, this is the most important one. So
Speaker 7: me and my two long distance bessies love this pod.
Speaker 7: We talked about it quite frequently.
Speaker 11: And we just really like when you guys are friends,
Speaker 11: and we like when other people are friends, you know,
Speaker 11: just like cast members of TV shows.
Speaker 7: You were big into Broadway, so like Broadway cast, just
Speaker 7: like we like when other people hang out and we
Speaker 7: enjoy it and it's fun. So we wanted to know,
Speaker 7: since you guys are not only podcasts coworkers but also friends,
Speaker 7: what do you guys like to do together outside of
Speaker 7: the pod that feels like different or you know, when
Speaker 7: you just hang out, what what do you like to do? Yeah,
Speaker 7: keep doing what you're doing. We love the pod and
Speaker 7: by me I mean me and my friends.
Speaker 5: Okay, anyway, love you.
Speaker 10: Bye.
Speaker 2: Shout out, shout out. That was sweet. That was very sweet.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a very very quick round of like
Speaker 1: things off the top of my head that I did
Speaker 1: in Athens last time I was there.
Speaker 2: That might be helpful.
Speaker 1: So Athens is I think I've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: but it has been undergoing this like depending on your
Speaker 1: point of view, renaissance or gentrification nightmare for the last
Speaker 1: like five to six years. There was a moment during
Speaker 1: the financial collapse when you know, it was you know,
Speaker 1: the prevailing idea was that the city was in crisis
Speaker 1: and it needed to and like new businesses weren't opening
Speaker 1: and the obviously the economy wasn't going well whatever, and
Speaker 1: then it became sort of like berlinified. Like I've told
Speaker 1: you about how my grandmother's neighborhood, which was like a
Speaker 1: middle class neighborhood she has a one bedroom apartment, has
Speaker 1: now become like the Bushwick of Athens, and she leaves
Speaker 1: her apartment, and it's literally all like expats, people on
Speaker 1: their laptops, like people wearing sort of like head to
Speaker 1: toe kind of.
Speaker 2: Like club club.
Speaker 1: She's just sort of like okay, like going to the
Speaker 1: farmer's market, and so it is. Honestly, people ask me
Speaker 1: all the time for Athens recommendations, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say because it is such a different place
Speaker 1: than it was when I lived there, when I was
Speaker 1: also like a teenager. So this latest time, I really
Speaker 1: tried to get a bunch of recommendations for people because
Speaker 1: I wanted to know, like, which of these new businesses
Speaker 1: are worth it. The answer is not all of them,
Speaker 1: but I did want to shout out that this one
Speaker 1: restaurant called Pharaoh, like a like an Egyptian pharaoh.
Speaker 2: I went to. It was so good.
Speaker 1: It's just like updated Greek classics. But you got to
Speaker 1: make a reservation ahead of time. Sam, when you visit
Speaker 1: will go together. I had the absolute time of my life,
Speaker 1: great wine lists, really good you know, sort of like
Speaker 1: shareable small plates. I was in absolute heaven that entire neighborhood.
Speaker 1: He has become very like Williamsburg ified in a way
Speaker 1: that is honestly pretty alarming because when I was in
Speaker 1: high school, that's literally where the anarchists would hang out
Speaker 1: and it would be like, that's all the protests where
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of the like sort of like
Speaker 1: memorable news stories of protesters clashing with the police happened there.
Speaker 1: And now you go and it's literally like a record
Speaker 1: store that's run by like a chill guy with the mohawk,
Speaker 1: and then the people in it are like Italian tourists.
Speaker 2: It's very strange.
Speaker 6: Wo.
Speaker 1: So, but that restaurant, I have to say, if you
Speaker 1: want to go somewhere that's not a traditional tavarana, which
Speaker 1: you should also go to, and it's something a little
Speaker 1: more contemporary, I would recommend. Another place I had a
Speaker 1: store I went to is this store called It's a
Speaker 1: Shirt and they sell shirts and it's this like really
Speaker 1: cool gal whose dad worked in the garment industry in Greece.
Speaker 1: So then she is like taking sort of like fabrics
Speaker 1: that because she, you know, fabrics that her father would
Speaker 1: use potentially and making these like super cool like Japanese
Speaker 1: cut like cool shirts.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And they are much cheaper than the equivalent thing would
Speaker 1: be if you went to like Hopenhagen or something.
Speaker 2: It's a shirt. It's a shirt. Shout out to it's
Speaker 2: a shirt.
Speaker 1: And the final thing I will say is people don't
Speaker 1: know this, but one of the best things you can
Speaker 1: do in Athens and in Greece in general over the
Speaker 1: summer is go to an open air cinema. So they
Speaker 1: have these open air cinemas. Imagine like a giant screen
Speaker 1: with just like you know, chairs and the little bar
Speaker 1: and stuff, and the ones in the center of Athens.
Speaker 1: You can literally look at the Parthenon behind the screen
Speaker 1: of the movie that you're seeing.
Speaker 2: So you can go and watch.
Speaker 1: Like they'll do like a Hitchcock retrospective or something, and
Speaker 1: you can go watch like a classic movie and then
Speaker 1: the Parthenon is right behind that. And oftentimes people people
Speaker 1: will go to Greece and people I think would be
Speaker 1: in the know about these kinds of things, and they
Speaker 1: don't know that that's an option.
Speaker 2: So that is my big recommendation. Beautiful recommendations, George.
Speaker 1: Those are my three, Thank you. And the second question
Speaker 1: was what do we do as friends?
Speaker 2: We party bitch, bitch, We party bitch. We're out on
Speaker 2: the town.
Speaker 1: What I mean, we like, we go to Maxwitter's house, We.
Speaker 2: Go we go to people's houses, or we go to
Speaker 2: dinner and we get drinks and potentially if George isn't tired,
Speaker 2: we go out. That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know what, I you know what I
Speaker 1: think in my own life has been a change since
Speaker 1: the pandemic.
Speaker 2: I used to do more like weekend friend trips. Oh
Speaker 2: yeah for you.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty, I was I was getting like an Airbnb
Speaker 1: upstate with four chicas. That was not an like a
Speaker 1: something that was out of the ordinary for me.
Speaker 2: Really, I didn't start really getting into that lifestyle till
Speaker 2: till after pandemic.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I don't know what it is now. I think
Speaker 1: it's a mix. Obviously, everyone's busier, but also everyone's like
Speaker 1: taste level has gone up, and suddenly it's not enough
Speaker 1: to just like go to airbnb dot com and click
Speaker 1: the first one and just be like, yeah, we'll figure
Speaker 1: it out. Everyone suddenly wants to make reservations. Everyone wants
Speaker 1: to have like a specific hike planned, which I get,
Speaker 1: but it is it makes things more difficult than when
Speaker 1: you are, you know, twenty five years old and are
Speaker 1: just like excited to be out of the city.
Speaker 2: I that was such a scary there's so many moments
Speaker 2: in one's life when you realize like there's been grown
Speaker 2: growing up and I always always am like the last
Speaker 2: one to know. And that was a real one when
Speaker 2: people were like, well, no, I want the I want
Speaker 2: a nice house. Yeah, like I want a chic house.
Speaker 2: And I was like, but we're just like sleeping there
Speaker 2: and listening to music and like having drinks, Like why
Speaker 2: does it matter?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know that if you if something was
Speaker 1: below your standards, you would also speak out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my standards were pretty low though, but don't you
Speaker 2: think they're higher now? Yeah? I think they're higher now.
Speaker 2: They are. I'm learning, but I feel like I'm I'm
Speaker 2: like sad that I'm learning total where I'm like, of course,
Speaker 2: like there.
Speaker 1: Was a freedom of not caring in the threshold to
Speaker 1: be satisfied as higher.
Speaker 2: That sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you wake up every day in the default is
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, someone better impressed me.
Speaker 2: Today, even like caring about one's apartment, Like no, as
Speaker 2: soon as there was like a moment when it was
Speaker 2: like suddenly we care about our apartments and I like fun,
Speaker 2: I know, like it happened all of a sudden, and
Speaker 2: it used to just be like, no, it's amazing, I
Speaker 2: can pay rent, and now it's like, no, you have
Speaker 2: to have a place that's nice.
Speaker 11: I know.
Speaker 1: And then you wake up one day and you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: so you've been collecting artisanal knickknacks from your travels since
Speaker 1: you were twenty two. Yeah, you're not just sort of
Speaker 1: going to West Elm.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. It's it's interesting, and I'm like, it's fun.
Speaker 2: I think there's a certain level of like competition can
Speaker 2: and can be helpful and motivating, but it's also a
Speaker 2: little scary. It was the moment was scary when I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, fuck, I have to catch up. I know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to grow up consuming media about the urban,
Speaker 1: petite bourgeoisi a. La Woody, Allen, et cetera, and have
Speaker 1: it be so foreign and then suddenly, whether you like
Speaker 1: it or not, And honestly, no matter your income level,
Speaker 1: you're sort of just agento having those values.
Speaker 2: You best start believing in love with deep BOUGEOISI.
Speaker 8: You're in.
Speaker 2: Okay, next call.
Speaker 9: Hey, they're calling in for the second time from my
Speaker 9: northern New Jersey number.
Speaker 10: Shout out.
Speaker 9: I have a really important question. Do you think that
Speaker 9: with Chapel and all of us knowing what her personality
Speaker 9: is now, I wanted to see what your thoughts are
Speaker 9: and the revisitation of the Lizzo's past of it all,
Speaker 9: like is she cool?
Speaker 2: Is she not?
Speaker 10: How do we feel?
Speaker 2: Thanks? First of all, shout out to northern New Jersey
Speaker 2: phone number. I don't know why, but.
Speaker 1: Because it's the same. I commented that this caller has
Speaker 1: the same area code that my house did in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, fun, I want to say thank you for
Speaker 2: bringing back Lizo's Pass. I've been thinking about it a lot.
Speaker 2: It was recently mentioned on an episode of Keep It,
Speaker 2: which I was really excited about by Louis Ertell Yeah. So,
Speaker 2: for those who don't know, Lizo's Pass is the moment
Speaker 2: when a rising pop star gets so big it has
Speaker 2: to decide which way to go. In Litzo's pass, do
Speaker 2: you go towards Pitchfork and stay cool forever or do
Speaker 2: you go towards Target and make songs for commercials? And
Speaker 2: I find I think Chapel is still at Lisso's pass.
Speaker 2: I think she is delaying her decision by releasing singles only.
Speaker 2: I think we won't know because I think good luck
Speaker 2: Babe was very okay, she's gonna be Pitchfork. She's like cool, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like this is cool. And then the new one, the
Speaker 2: giver is like good, I like it, but I'm like,
Speaker 2: but it could go either way, and I'm like a
Speaker 2: little bit and it's like, yeah, I think it's cool.
Speaker 2: It's like about like, you know, giving an orgasm. That's
Speaker 2: like fun, but it's still like I don't know. So
Speaker 2: I think the album is really gonna we can't call.
Speaker 2: It's too early to call. We need a full album
Speaker 2: before we can say.
Speaker 1: Do you think going country is a way to delay
Speaker 1: Lozzo's pass.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent because you can't both say anything about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, country is for the Pitchfork crowd. Country is alternative
Speaker 1: in its own way, and then for the target crowd.
Speaker 1: Country like it's for the target crowd. Country is like comforting,
Speaker 1: but also to be country and alt is scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1: You basically are having your cake and eating it too.
Speaker 1: It's called the Casey bus Graves effect.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm very curious because at this point she's
Speaker 2: like trying on all these new sounds and styles where
Speaker 2: I'm sort of like, okay, what is your sound? In style,
Speaker 2: like it's it almost feels like look over here, look
Speaker 2: over your look over here, and I'm like, wait, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm I'm surrounded by smoke. I can't tell
Speaker 2: where you are or what your deal is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think Pink was ever at Lozzo's Pass or.
Speaker 2: She just started out Target? I think she started out Target.
Speaker 1: So you think even her early R and B hip
Speaker 1: hop phase was just destined for Target.
Speaker 2: It was still on the radio and it was still
Speaker 2: in the commercials. Yeah, I mean, one thing that is
Speaker 2: I think one thing that's happening to Chapel is that
Speaker 2: she's at Lizo's Pass, but the wind is blowing really
Speaker 2: hard and it's like snowing, and it's like forcing her
Speaker 2: to put like it's trying to make her go towards Target. Really,
Speaker 2: because I really believe because every song, I'm like more
Speaker 2: passionate about this than I've ever been about anything my
Speaker 2: whole life, because she every song is in a commercial now.
Speaker 2: And I know it's because the brands are like, she's
Speaker 2: cool enough but popular enough that we can look cool
Speaker 2: and in on it. But it's every commercial has a
Speaker 2: Chapel song. So the wind and the snow. She's going,
Speaker 2: I want to go towards Pitchfork, and she's like, but
Speaker 2: the snow is too high. I have to go towards Target.
Speaker 2: It's so I think the odds are against her, but
Speaker 2: I hope that she can survive Lizo's pass. Yeah, she also.
Speaker 1: Hasn't been claimed by either party because I think at
Speaker 1: this point the Pitchfork, the Pitchfork eistas are skeptical of her,
Speaker 1: and certainly the Target Mom's candlebuyers are skeptical of her.
Speaker 2: And so she is.
Speaker 1: It's like she's on top of the charts, but while
Speaker 1: balancing on a tiny needle, like if one thing goes wrong,
Speaker 1: she could be done forever.
Speaker 2: And I also think that's why she's doing the singles thing,
Speaker 2: to be like like sort of soft change the narrative
Speaker 2: and like let people be like, Okay, I'm calm about
Speaker 2: her now. Now she can really sny album.
Speaker 1: She was on call her Daddy another way that you
Speaker 1: can delay Lizzo's pass.
Speaker 2: What is called her Daddy's like space in the culture
Speaker 2: right now, no one knows. I'm so deeply confused and
Speaker 2: I'm like trying to figure out. Even watching the clips
Speaker 2: of that, I was like am I insane, Like it's
Speaker 2: so bizarre. So that's how I feel about it all. Okay,
Speaker 2: how do you how do you feel about Chapel at
Speaker 2: this stage?
Speaker 1: No, I think you are absolutely right that she's delaying
Speaker 1: Lizzo's pass. I have to say, I'm I'm pro Chapel,
Speaker 1: like I'm just sort of like it. But it took
Speaker 1: me longer than you to get there in the beginning.
Speaker 1: I think because the first song of hers I heard,
Speaker 1: I played, I press played the album and the first
Speaker 1: song was phenomenomenomenon, and honestly, I was like, get this
Speaker 1: off my screen.
Speaker 2: I was so upset.
Speaker 1: People had been telling me to check out Chapel roone
Speaker 1: for so long. I press play that song and I
Speaker 1: and I was wrong. I just want to admit I
Speaker 1: was wrong, But there was something about it that felt
Speaker 1: so rue Paul that then I had to come back
Speaker 1: to it a few months later and realize, actually, this
Speaker 1: is an incredible album which everyone agrees with. And since then,
Speaker 1: I've loved her performances. I think she's fun. I think
Speaker 1: she's a fun figure. I like that she's provocative and controversial.
Speaker 1: I like that sometimes she's a little embarrassing. She's young.
Speaker 1: I like that she's speaking her mind. Everyone is so
Speaker 1: you know, poll tested these days that I say go.
Speaker 2: Off, I say go off, I say go off.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of other people who are at
Speaker 1: Lizzo's pass right now. I mean, do you think Twiggs
Speaker 1: has I do think Twigs chose Pitchfork and and that's
Speaker 1: Twigs chose Pitchfork.
Speaker 2: I think Sabrina Carpenter is all started. Is target is
Speaker 2: target yea, yeah, she's targeted. Tate McCrae is targed at
Speaker 2: Lizzo's past, but she's targeted.
Speaker 1: She was never Pitchfork to begin with. Ever, no one,
Speaker 1: no Pitchfork person was on her side. Yeah you know
Speaker 1: what I noticed? Actually what? And it pains me to
Speaker 1: say this because my dream is for Lucy Dacas to
Speaker 1: be the special guest at Lesbian Lab.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I haven't even told you this.
Speaker 1: I don't have a I don't have a contact or anything,
Speaker 1: but I I just have this dream that will do
Speaker 1: Lesbio Lab. And then at the end she comes out
Speaker 1: and performs I Kissed a Girl.
Speaker 2: Lucy. If you if you hear this Bellhouse.
Speaker 1: On April sixteen, sixteen, and I just want to let
Speaker 1: you know, Lucy, I got and this is a true story.
Speaker 1: I got my husband concert tickets to your show for
Speaker 1: his birthday.
Speaker 2: He's a huge fan.
Speaker 1: We can't wait to see you at Radio City and
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll see you at the Bell House. But what
Speaker 1: I wanted to say is that Lucy Dacas and the
Speaker 1: Boy Genius girls were definitely at Lizzo's pass. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think Phoebe Bridges. It's sort of like the jury's out.
Speaker 1: But something I noticed today is that Pitchfork herself gave
Speaker 1: Lucy Dacas a six point one on her new album.
Speaker 2: Which, in a sense is choosing to go Pitchfork totally,
Speaker 2: Like there's something about that where it's like, Okay, you're
Speaker 2: staying small.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, so Lindsey and Bobby pointed this
Speaker 1: out on Hoo Weekly. There was literally a People magazine
Speaker 1: exclusive about Lucy Dacas, and I'm like, hold on, a
Speaker 1: few years ago, we weren't getting People magazine exclusives about
Speaker 1: members of Boy Genius, So Lucy, I think at any point,
Speaker 1: and her tour tickets, I gotta say, shout out to
Speaker 1: Live Nation. Much more expensive than I thought they would be.
Speaker 2: Really, I thought I could.
Speaker 1: Potentially add a few more elements to my birthday gift.
Speaker 2: So I do think.
Speaker 1: That there's been a breakthrough with with Boy Genius, and
Speaker 1: I think they're much more mainstream than we think. That
Speaker 1: album did really really well.
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: So I think if Lucy are you saying, I'm saying Lucy,
Speaker 1: I definitely think she's still at the pass, but I
Speaker 1: think she could snap her damn fingers and go target
Speaker 1: at any point.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Interesting, interesting because she is relatable in this way. She's
Speaker 1: fun on videos, she's very millennial, she's very like, you know,
Speaker 1: does a video for Conde Nast Digital and talks about
Speaker 1: going to therapy.
Speaker 2: M What do you think about heim? I, oh god,
Speaker 2: that is a really good question. I kind of think
Speaker 2: it tastefully as tastefully as like very successfully. They've still
Speaker 2: chosen Pitchfork.
Speaker 1: I agree, they've definitely still chosen Pitchfork, and that's cool.
Speaker 1: They're almost they're a twenty four.
Speaker 2: Basically, they're a twenty FeH. That's literally what they are.
Speaker 2: Fuck Okay, okay, all.
Speaker 5: Right, Hi Sama, George random, but I'm on a big
Speaker 5: George Michael kick.
Speaker 10: So that's huge for.
Speaker 3: Me right now.
Speaker 5: And I just had to know, for you George as
Speaker 5: a gay man of Greek experience, and for you Sam
Speaker 5: as a gay man of not Greek experience.
Speaker 10: What does George Michael.
Speaker 11: Mean to you?
Speaker 5: What are your favorite songs? Yeah, anything George Michael related love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he means everything to me.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I used to die for George. You go first, I
Speaker 2: mean you, he was your post post nuptial song in
Speaker 2: a fun way, in an amazing way. I had this.
Speaker 1: Idea that I wanted the song when we walked on
Speaker 1: the islet, the song was going to be earnest, but
Speaker 1: then at the end, when we kissed, the song was
Speaker 1: going to be like fun and poppy, and my initial
Speaker 1: my initial idea, of course, was Madonna's Ray of Light,
Speaker 1: which would be iconic, Which would have been iconic, but
Speaker 1: we ended up going with uh with.
Speaker 2: George Michael's Freedom.
Speaker 1: Not the most original choice, but it was like so fun,
Speaker 1: everyone got into it.
Speaker 2: I would say it's pretty original, to be honest.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like I just mean in terms
Speaker 1: of his in terms of his uber it's like one
Speaker 1: of his.
Speaker 2: Oh top three songs.
Speaker 1: But that and I'll tell you why, And I think
Speaker 1: I've maybe even said the story on the podcast. I
Speaker 1: was at this big Pride party last summer. It was
Speaker 1: all you know, electronic, uh, sort of house music okay,
Speaker 1: and no lyrics, no references to any pop music. And
Speaker 1: then at some point, at like two am, the beat
Speaker 1: breaks into the chorus of Freedom and it was this
Speaker 1: like incredible moment where everyone was so it was though,
Speaker 1: you know, we had all like taken mushrooms at the
Speaker 1: same time or something. It was just like and every
Speaker 1: it was almost like the results of an election had
Speaker 1: just come in and they were positive. I cannot, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I am That really inspired me. I was
Speaker 1: just like, this song has a power that is unlike
Speaker 1: other pop music.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Of course, it means a lot to me that he's
Speaker 1: gang Greek, he's so hot, he's such a sex symbol.
Speaker 2: It it's important to remember that.
Speaker 1: In terms of like our sexual politics and in terms
Speaker 1: of queer stuff, we're not moving in a straight line.
Speaker 1: Like to me, George Michael was so much more cool
Speaker 1: and like fun than so many of the things that
Speaker 1: are that are happening now.
Speaker 2: I really I think about the thing all the time
Speaker 2: where he was when he was arrested for cruising yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was like, not ashamed at all. And he's like,
Speaker 2: what is my culture is like the quote he said,
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's true. Like I'm actually it's
Speaker 2: so funny the way that I like, when I was younger,
Speaker 2: I did not understand that, And now I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: it should be illegal for guys to get arrested for cruising.
Speaker 2: That's literally what we do. That's like, it's a time
Speaker 2: honor tradition. That's sort of our thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: If you will, I will say, I as much as
Speaker 1: I love George Michael, I really only know the hits.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a sort of completist. I'm not listening
Speaker 1: to album's top to bottom, you know, I like everyone else,
Speaker 1: I rediscovered Father Figure because a baby girl. I love
Speaker 1: adding some George Michael to a party playlist, But I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not listening to B sides. Do you
Speaker 1: have favorite songs that are sort of out of the
Speaker 1: off the beaten path?
Speaker 2: Not really, I mean the hits are hits for a reason.
Speaker 2: I have listened to, like what is the one with
Speaker 2: Father Figure on it? What's it called Faith?
Speaker 1: That was Faith, which also has the famous song Faith,
Speaker 1: but it has.
Speaker 2: Faith on it. I have that one on vinyl and
Speaker 2: I've listened to it a good amount and it's I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of like weird shit on there, like
Speaker 2: which is a fun thing about listening to an album
Speaker 2: like that. But it's like it's fun. But yeah, the
Speaker 2: hits are the hits are the hits, like you just
Speaker 2: you feel it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he has he has it, he has it.
Speaker 1: I was George Michael for Halloween, some may recall. Many
Speaker 1: are talking about that. So that's our relationship with George Michael. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, final call.
Speaker 2: Oh and what perfect timing. Such a well timed episode. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: I've never received more texts in my life. Everyone needs
Speaker 2: a call now.
Speaker 10: Hi, Simon, George. I'm calling in with an advice question.
Speaker 10: I'm going to a straight wedding in a couple of months.
Speaker 10: There are going to be very few gay people there,
Speaker 10: maybe in the single digits, and it's a pretty conservative
Speaker 10: religious wedding and it's going to be in the wedding party.
Speaker 10: So my question is, what are the gayest things I
Speaker 10: should do without getting myself kicked out of the family?
Speaker 10: All right, love y'all thinks bye?
Speaker 2: Well, this is a perfect call. Of course. Of course,
Speaker 2: I think this is such a you know, time on
Speaker 2: or tradition of being the gay guy at a traditional
Speaker 2: straight wedding, And it's sort of like traveling to like
Speaker 2: a small town where you know, yes, you are literally
Speaker 2: not going to see as many gay people, but it's
Speaker 2: like with but it's also kind of fun because you
Speaker 2: get to like open up any app you want and
Speaker 2: see the most random guys on earth. I think I
Speaker 2: have no greater pleasure than like being in like, you know,
Speaker 2: random parts of Minnesota and opening up the apps because
Speaker 2: it's sort of like a time machine. Like you see
Speaker 2: people that are like, I'm literally married to a woman,
Speaker 2: and you're like that is really amazing. Yeah, that is
Speaker 2: so cool, and I'm like, I didn't know we still
Speaker 2: had you.
Speaker 1: I also am like, take a little take a little
Speaker 1: thirst trap with your suit in the bathroom. Unbutton literally
Speaker 1: unbutton your fly. Get a little pub in there, get
Speaker 1: a little pub in there, take a photo. We're talking
Speaker 1: close friends, directly to close friends. Maybe a little a
Speaker 1: little comment that's like at a religious wedding.
Speaker 2: Lol, some nudes.
Speaker 1: The fire emojis are gonna start coming.
Speaker 2: At you fast.
Speaker 1: There is something about being actually far away from the
Speaker 1: people you are courting or making horny or flirting with.
Speaker 1: That makes it so much more erotic than actually having
Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet them in person.
Speaker 2: This is so true. What a smart thing to say,
Speaker 2: because you literally there's no risk. It can just be
Speaker 2: flirty without any follow through. That's genius.
Speaker 1: Actually, one of the worst things that could happen to
Speaker 1: someone is when you think that's what's happening and then
Speaker 1: the other person's like, want to come over, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I am doing something very very specific here,
Speaker 1: and if you can't tell, like, that's on you.
Speaker 2: But I am such a I'm such a I'll be
Speaker 2: right there type bitch. Oh really, I am like, I'm
Speaker 2: like the I'm ordering the car right now. It is.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot to get me out of the
Speaker 1: house if I don't think that's what's happening with that night.
Speaker 2: Well, no, horniness is a disease. No, it is a disease,
Speaker 2: I will say.
Speaker 1: On the other side of things, if I'm out, it's
Speaker 1: very easy for someone to convince me to stay out.
Speaker 1: Like I had an experience recently where I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving and ended up going to three other locations
Speaker 1: on a weekday.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's awesome, I think. Also, I mean I think
Speaker 2: you may be surprised. And I think if there are
Speaker 2: any other gay people there, I think it could be
Speaker 2: really really fun to flirt and even have something happen,
Speaker 2: because it'll feel so secretive, it'll feel so illegal, and
Speaker 2: even if they're like not your normal type or whatever,
Speaker 2: it's like, this is awesome. There's something evil about it.
Speaker 2: And also, here's one.
Speaker 1: Of the gayest things you can do at this wedding.
Speaker 1: Show up looking absolutely snatched as hell, get a martini,
Speaker 1: sit in a corner by yourself, watching everyone kind of
Speaker 1: judgmentally drinking the martini. If I like, you are gonna
Speaker 1: be the talk of the town. People are gonna be like,
Speaker 1: is that Truman Capoti.
Speaker 2: Literally and complain about the food.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely complain about the First of all, when
Speaker 1: I say order a martini, send it back immediately.
Speaker 2: Say I asked for a dry, as.
Speaker 1: For a dry and this glass is not cold. Can
Speaker 1: you please chill the glass? This is my number, text
Speaker 1: me when it's ready. That, I would say, more so
Speaker 1: than hooking up with someone. While of course that also
Speaker 1: sounds like a lovely thing to do. I would say
Speaker 1: that is the gayest thing you can do at a
Speaker 1: really straight religious space.
Speaker 2: I have to agree. I have to have to have
Speaker 2: to agree. I'm trying to think if there's anything else
Speaker 2: that's like, you know, it's it's like if you can
Speaker 2: like squeeze in like sort of a half sex story
Speaker 2: to like someone's grandma, that could be huge too. Ooh
Speaker 2: that's good. Yeah, yeah, Like even like some innuendo, like
Speaker 2: if you can be like no bottoming, No, that's something
Speaker 2: you endo if you can fully be like no bottoming
Speaker 2: for me tonight, like Grandma, Like, guess.
Speaker 1: What, no bottoming for me tonight? Because of this dry
Speaker 1: ass salmon that was served at this stupid ass wedding.
Speaker 1: The hell where is this ship from some landlocked country
Speaker 1: that doesn't grow its own salmon?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great idea.
Speaker 1: Kill two birds with one snown you you tell your ornie,
Speaker 1: you alienate grandma and you and you insult the food.
Speaker 2: That's what being LGBTQ plus is all about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I think you're gonna And also I
Speaker 1: just want to say, you know, there's a temptation when
Speaker 1: you're in a straight space to be like, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna care about my parents. I'm just gonna show up
Speaker 1: and fit in. Resist that temptation is tempt This is.
Speaker 2: When you want to try to look.
Speaker 1: You want to show these people what their lives are missing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and really really yeah, really you need to serve,
Speaker 2: You need to serve. Folks.
Speaker 1: You've been calling, You've been I'm deploying you.
Speaker 2: We're deploying you. Yeah, well that's pretty fun. Yeah, those
Speaker 2: were some fun calls. Those are some fun calls. Thanks
Speaker 2: everyone for calling. Sorry, if we didn't get to your call.
Speaker 1: You can always call us at three eight five.
Speaker 2: Gay guys.
Speaker 1: Uh, we should mention this is, in fact the second
Speaker 1: part of a two part call in show. The first
Speaker 1: part was on patrenal Name. It's already happened, and honestly,
Speaker 1: there was a very juicy call on it that I
Speaker 1: think I would personally pay five dollars a month to
Speaker 1: listen to.
Speaker 2: And I think we're gonna you know, we're sort of
Speaker 2: doing call in shows intermittently and at random. Yeah, whenever
Speaker 2: we feel like it, which I think is so cool.
Speaker 2: I agree. I'm glad we're not scheduled.
Speaker 1: I'm also like, are we officially breaking the earnestness, non
Speaker 1: earnestness binary. I think, so we're being half earnest, half
Speaker 1: not earnest at any given point, I could, you know,
Speaker 1: sling a joke that would be worthy of Anthony Jesselnick.
Speaker 1: But I could also retreat into a more kind of introverted,
Speaker 1: vulnerable state and talk about my mother.
Speaker 2: I think, I think get you a podcast host who
Speaker 2: can do both. We are we contain moltitudes now, that's right,
Speaker 2: outwardly and inwardley now more than ever, what with everything
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: So, whether you're in library school or celibate in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles or at a straight wedding offending a grandmother by
Speaker 1: talking about how you got fisted at the big party.
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