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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on the show, we're

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Speaker 2: doing a little fireside chat of sorts with myself and

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Speaker 2: Giannis pitel Us, reviewing our year in the outdoors, the

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Speaker 2: highs and the lows and the lessons learned. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: forward to twenty twenty six. All right, welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the Wired to Hunt podcast, and Merry Christmas. You are

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Speaker 2: listening to this on the day it airs. I guess

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. It's Christmas Day. I

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Speaker 2: hope you're spending most of the day with your friends

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Speaker 2: and family, but if you're spending a little bit of

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Speaker 2: time here with me, I certainly appreciate. And today we're

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Speaker 2: going to be sitting down, me and Giannis here in

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Speaker 2: a minute to reflect on twenty twenty five, to look

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Speaker 2: back on our year and all of our experiences outdoors,

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Speaker 2: the adventures, the hunts, the fishing trips, the other exploits

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Speaker 2: we did, why it was special, why it sticks with us,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of how our criteria has changed

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Speaker 2: over the years as far as what's important to us

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Speaker 2: and what's not. And then we spend some time looking

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Speaker 2: forward into the new year and talking through some of

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Speaker 2: our plans and adventures and hopes for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: And I share all this, and I'm sharing all of this,

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Speaker 2: this whole conversation with you today because I hope that

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Speaker 2: it can be a little bit of a thought trigger

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Speaker 2: for you, something that helps you do something like this yourself.

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Speaker 2: I've found that taking a little bit of time, especially

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Speaker 2: at this time of year, to look back on the

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Speaker 2: last twelve months is so help well.

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Speaker 2: Rejuvenating and satisfying to just take a moment to appreciate

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Speaker 2: what we just experienced. It's so much of life is go, go, go,

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Speaker 2: go go. At least I'm guilty of rarely taking time

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Speaker 2: to enjoy the present, of rarely taking time to enjoy,

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Speaker 2: you know, all of the weeks and months and incredible

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Speaker 2: even too all on the way. So what I try

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Speaker 2: talk about some of the stuff, or think about some

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Speaker 2: what were the things that really went well? What were

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Speaker 2: some of the things that didn't go so well? How

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Speaker 2: do I wish I could have changed things? Or maybe

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Speaker 2: you know, what do I want to do different this

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Speaker 2: coming year? That is a useful and like I said,

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Speaker 2: it can be a really therapeutic exercise sometimes too. So

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Speaker 2: that's what me and Yanni did today. I kind of

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Speaker 2: have framed it in my mind like a fireside chat,

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Speaker 2: like I've imagined wishing that me and Giannis were hanging

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Speaker 2: out at my house, sitting by the fire, drinking a

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Speaker 2: That sounds pretty nice. So from here on, how we're

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Speaker 2: with myself and my good pal Giannis Boutellus, as we

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Speaker 2: being a part of this community, and here's to a

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Speaker 2: very happy holiday. Enjoy the chat, all right, Yannie. I

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Speaker 2: want you to imagine that you and I are sitting

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Speaker 3: I was actually in an ELF outfit two evenings ago.

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Speaker 2: Christmas Vacation, the movie, right. I just went to a

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Speaker 2: That's a grind, that is a Whoever put that schedule

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Speaker 2: like your outdoor related activities, hunting and fishing and all

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Speaker 2: the other things you're doing out there, did it did

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, Yeah, I had a great year.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Why was that so such a fair answer?

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Speaker 3: We we had big plans, and I had big plans

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Speaker 2: this year, which is pretty cool.

431
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you did. I would say, Mond time

432
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 3: with your kids.

433
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm lucky in that they are, you know, like your

434
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: daughters are. They're into it, they love it, they want

435
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: to be out there, you know. Like we went to

436
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: the Keys, the Floria Keys this spring, so this is

437
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: like one of my main highlights. We did a family

438
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: trip to the Keys and we had a little rental

439
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: place on the water. So we had a dock that

440
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: went out I don't know, fifty feet or a hundred

441
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: feet or something, and so every day, you know, my

442
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: oldest Everet, he would just want to go out there

443
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: to the end of the dock and just fish the

444
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: whole day. And then my youngest Colt, who's not as

445
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: into it as ever, but but some you know, he'd

446
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: kind of come back and forth. You go play in

447
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: the pool for a while, and then he go out

448
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: to the dock and fish for all then he go

449
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: playing the pool for a while and then back to

450
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: the dock. But they just want to be outside the

451
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: whole time. They want to be looking for fish, looking

452
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: for crabs, catching barracudahs and grunts and snappers. And there

453
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: was even tarpin out there, so I caught a tarpin

454
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: off the with the kids and everyone. So getting to

455
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: see all that, share all that with them was was

456
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: really cool. So so many of my favorite stories from

457
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: this past year are with them. We did our first

458
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: four night backpacking trip with the whole crew this summer

459
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: that was awesome. Did their highest elevation three day backpacking

460
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: up in the saw tooths that was really awesome. And

461
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: then a lot of hunts so I don't know if

462
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: I told you, I probably did, but Everett killed his

463
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: first turkey of this spring, so m hmm, yeah, that's

464
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: that stuff really really stands out. But then also, you know,

465
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: I went and got to do that trip with Kal

466
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: to the Arctic Refuge, which was like one of those

467
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: big adventures way outside of the norm, So that one

468
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: stands out too. Is just unbelievable just to see somewhere

469
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: like that finally, so and I'm finally it's like a

470
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: Barbell is kind of how I'm seeing my world now.

471
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: I want some on that far side of the spectrum

472
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: and some on the far other side at this phase

473
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: of life, for whatever that's worth. Do you do you

474
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: feel like any of this has shifted your white tail

475
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: kind of growing? I don't know if it's growing love

476
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: or if it's returning to that love. I mean, the

477
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: last like five years or so, you've been on this

478
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: expanding whitetail kick. How does all this fit into to

479
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: where you are there? On that?

480
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: Well? I had a it was fun. It was good.

481
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: I say that now that I'm removed by a month

482
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: but very humbling white tail season. Spent counting the days

483
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: with my daughter in a tree rifle hunting. I think

484
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: fifteen days, and certainly i'd say at fifteen, probably at

485
00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: least ten, maybe eleven days were dawned to dusky switched tree,

486
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: so I was out of the tree for an hour midday,

487
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 3: but like put in some mega hours and came up

488
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: empty handed. And you know, I had I think I

489
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: sort of had in my mind like, oh, just like

490
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: persistence can be enough, you know, if I just like

491
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: go in and just pound, like I'm in a good

492
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: enough spot like I can sit on the funnels. It's

493
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: the rut, like something's gonna walk by me. They didn't,

494
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: and so it's sort of it's sort of like reset me,

495
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: and it's kind of reset my. I don't know it's

496
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: in the end. It's great because I love a challenge

497
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: and I'm still even though I've been doing it my

498
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: whole life, i still am, you know, at the more

499
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: of a beginner stage as a white tail hunter, and

500
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: uh that is great because it makes it fun. Like

501
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: I'm learning and I'm like, I'm sure at one point,

502
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: I think I've told you this before too. Like I

503
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: always feel like once I feel comfortable enough to like

504
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: take someone else out and be like, yeah, come with

505
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: me and I'll show you how to do this, and

506
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: we can probably get something done and sort of guide somebody.

507
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: Like I can do that with Elk, I can do

508
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: that with Turkey's white out deer. I did tell a

509
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: couple of guys where to sit this year in our

510
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: camp for rifles season, and they did kill, you know,

511
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 3: two nights to the nice cups that we killed, so

512
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: like that was validation. These are two spots that I've

513
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: sort of pioneered on the property sort of figured out.

514
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: We've sort of made them into permanent spots. You know,

515
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: one as this treat as a ladder stand. One just

516
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: has a kind of a natural log slash brush blind

517
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: and uh they both produced, right, So that was that

518
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: was super cool. But uh yeah, I mean I did

519
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: come away from it, even though I mean I did

520
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: get to spend I don't know, I think my daughter

521
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: hunted with me. I have a tree three four days.

522
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: I did come away with it.

523
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: Kind of thinking, like, man, fifteen days, and you know,

524
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 4: are all those days worth it to not be doing

525
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: something else, not be you know, hanging with my kids

526
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: or whatever.

527
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: And again I'm lucky that I'm doing it for work,

528
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: But I did come away with those thoughts. But I

529
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: don't know, like' like I said, I'm still new to it.

530
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: I'm having such a good time now, especially owning a

531
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: little bit of land doing all the you know, property management,

532
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: to see that already kind of come into fruition. I mean,

533
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: we had some bucks hanging there this past summer. They

534
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: hung out there really through hunting season. I mean, like

535
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: like they all do. They sort of disappeared here and

536
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: there for a week or two. But now the hunting

537
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 3: season's over. Two of them have come back and are like,

538
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: you know, regularly regularly on camera, and honestly, we haven't.

539
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: The fruits of the labor are like maybe ten percent

540
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: of what's gonna be there, and so that it's great

541
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: to see and gets me super excited for the future,

542
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: knowing like what we're planning and hopefully what's gonna happen.

543
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: Did you feel like you were able to get the

544
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: sense that, oh yeah, like stuff made a difference this year,

545
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: or is it? Or is it oh yeah, so yeah.

546
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, like where we thinned. I mean, for

547
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: those of you that didn't listen to me talk about

548
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: our property in Wisconsin, I mean it's just square. It's

549
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: a forty acres square. The northern half is mostly a

550
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: oak dominated habitat and it was like the classic you know,

551
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: clost canopy. Southern half was white pine dominated. It had

552
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: been cut about thirty thirty five years ago and it

553
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: had never been thinned. So it's just this kind of

554
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: scraggly thick. I mean I went, like the deer moved

555
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: through it, but they never really hung out, like it

556
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: was kind of a desert, and we basically took out

557
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: every single pine out of the southern twenty and left

558
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: what was remaining for of these like you know, they're

559
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: only eight inches, Like there's two big oaks in there

560
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: that might be a foot at you know, breast height.

561
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: But just doing that cutting that and then letting you know,

562
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: letting sunlight hit the ground and then what came up

563
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: that has really made this like thick, you know, a

564
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: lot of cover, a lot of blowdowns. Like there's just

565
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: a ton of food in there. There's a ton of

566
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: bedding covers, so that the deer are definitely spending time there.

567
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: The northern half because we're doing this three year project

568
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: with the US Fish and Wildlife Service sort of creating

569
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: an oak savannah, So we cut ninety some percent of

570
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: the trees but left some really nice big oaks and

571
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: it's gonna be left that way now. And the oaks

572
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: are spread out basically where if one falls, it's not

573
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: gonna hit another oak. That kind of gives it paints

574
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: a picture of how you know, spotty these oak trees are.

575
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: You can definitely see across it now. Now there's because

576
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: we've been spraying herbicide. There was like nothing growing, so

577
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: the deer aren't using it. Like, again, they're passing through,

578
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: but they're not using it. But in three years when

579
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: there's four to six foot tall grasses and forbes all

580
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: through there, I mean, it's just gonna be great, great

581
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: habitat for all kinds of stuff. Right, So I would

582
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 3: say this year, yeah, we saw great results in kind

583
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: of twenty acres of it, but there's another twenty acres

584
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: that really the deer were just kind of like, yeah, whatever,

585
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: and that's gonna change and it's gonna be sweet.

586
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be exciting. I Uh, I feel like

587
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 2: that has been my favorite part of my habitat work

588
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 2: in the past, has just been the seeing the cause

589
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: and effect stuff. It's like doing a thing and then

590
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: that first time you see something that is that is

591
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: really truly because of the work you did, that is

592
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: super rewarding. Something you said a second ago made me

593
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: really curious about your perspective on a debate that sometimes

594
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: happens that you uniquely could give an answer to, which

595
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: is white tails versus mule deer mule deer hunters. I

596
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: feel like your typical mountain guy, uh might sometimes want

597
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: to put their you know, turn their nose up on

598
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: white tails and sale, white tails are easy, nothing compared

599
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 2: to hunt mule deer's mule deer. What's what's your take

600
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: which is more challenging mule deer hunting or whitetail hunting,

601
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: or how would you compare and contrast the tue given

602
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: the fact you've done both pretty seriously now.

603
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: It's it's apples and oranges. Sure, they're both deer, but

604
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: like man, and I'm sure there's some places, you know,

605
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: maybe eastern car Auto, Western Kansas, where they're kind of

606
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: doing the same thing, right, because they're both there. But

607
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: like where I hunt mule deer in the mountains, and

608
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: then compared to where I hunt white tail deer in

609
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 3: the deciduous forest of central Wisconsin, they're just so different,

610
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 3: and the habitats so different, the tactics are so different.

611
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: And I would say that right now it's way harder

612
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: for me to kill a mature buck in Wisconsin. But

613
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: I think that's more because the lack of experience. You know,

614
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: I know plenty of people, we both know plenty of

615
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 3: people that are very successful year after year with mature

616
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: whitetail bucks. And you know, I went on a five

617
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: or six day hunt this year in the mountains out

618
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: west and killed a nice mule deer buck. You know,

619
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: I haven't scored them yet, but it's a buck. I

620
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 3: think that, you know, most people would have a real

621
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 3: hard time pass right, but they're just so different. I

622
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: mean I feel like that mulier hunt required uh just

623
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: physical uh, you know, stamina and just being in shape.

624
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 3: I mean we really we carried you know, heavy backpacks,

625
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, a couple thousand, three thousand feet up a mountain,

626
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: and we have to have the skills to be up

627
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: there camping and surviving and living and then hunting at

628
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: the same time. And it's great, but like I kind

629
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: of know what to do right, and it didn't happen

630
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: at the first spot we went to. We adjusted. It

631
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: was challenging. We were seeing too many people, you know,

632
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 3: spent a bunch of time looking at on X. I

633
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: had done some scouting in the summer, so I kind

634
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: of had some plan b's, but you know, went to

635
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: a plan B and it happened right with the white tails.

636
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: I don't know so much to talk about mark, uh,

637
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, like this just straight persistence, Like

638
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 3: I know how to apply that persistence on a mule

639
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: deer hunt of just like, Okay, you're just gonna have

640
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 3: to get up to glassing points and just pound the glass.

641
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: If you keep doing that, you're gonna turn up a buck.

642
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 3: And like that's what we did. And I sort of

643
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: thought I had that formula for white tail deer hunting

644
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: in the first half of November. Is like, you know

645
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: where the funnels are, the pinch points, like you just

646
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 3: put in the time and your three year older plus

647
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 3: is gonna eventually walk by. And I don't know what

648
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: it is. I mean, is it just coincidence that there

649
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: can be years where you just keep picking the wrong

650
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: spot and like they go by the the other pinch

651
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: point one hundred yards the other direction or whatever. Yeah,

652
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: it happens, you know, And we know you've interviewed guys

653
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: that you know, the seat equity guy, right, he's just

654
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: like kills big bucks up north. But he sits there

655
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: for days on end. I can't remember his name right now,

656
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: but days on end without seeing deer, and that's hard

657
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: to do, extremely hard to do. But he knows, right,

658
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 3: that's the formula, that's his tactic. He knows that eventually,

659
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: you know, the mature buck walks through there. So I

660
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: don't know. I sit squarely on the fence on this one.

661
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 3: I think there are lots of Western hunters, but there's

662
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: no way they can let alone do a full day,

663
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: ten to eleven hours sit in one tree. They could

664
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: do it for four hours until they're just like I

665
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: gotta go, I gotta move, you know, Like having that

666
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: patience and that mental discipline to sit there and just

667
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: put your time in. Is it sounds easy when you

668
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: just say it, everybody knows, like two days, three days

669
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: into it, all of a sudden the grind sets in.

670
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: You know.

671
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is an underappreciated challenge by those who've never

672
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: done it, that's for sure. So was your big takeaway

673
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: from your white tail season the thing you led with,

674
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: which was that persistence isn't always enough?

675
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: Is that the big takeaway this year? Or did something

676
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: else as you look back?

677
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: Yet? Was there something else that you'll carry forward more

678
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: than anything else?

679
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: Man? I mean, honestly, I'm still digesting it, you know,

680
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 3: because it just it really was humbling to put in

681
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: that much effort and not be able to come away

682
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: with you like just like a better encounter of like, oh,

683
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: you know, I had him at thirty and he just

684
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: went behind the wrong tree or you know, you heard

685
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: me draw on my bow or something, but like I

686
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: didn't even get that close. Yeah, I don't know. Just

687
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: and again it's the rut right, Like there's just there's

688
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: nothing guaranteed of of the movement, and stuff's erratic. And

689
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: so it's got me thinking about, like, well, maybe I

690
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: need to try a different approach as as opposed because

691
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: the last five years it's just been like, well, I'm

692
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: gonna show up sometime between November one and November seven,

693
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna stay for a week and that's gonna

694
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 3: that's like my program. And maybe it's time to you know,

695
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: sort of get out of my comfort zone of that.

696
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: Instead of relying on the rut, I rely more on

697
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: some scouting and and and patterning them and come and

698
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: hunt in September or early October and uh, you know,

699
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: try to find some feed locate or whatever it might be.

700
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: But so yeah, I don't know, I think. Yeah, the

701
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: other takeaway is, yeah, yeah, you're not as good of

702
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: a white tailed deer hunter as you thought you were,

703
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: and you got to put more effort in and understand

704
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 3: these deer better and uh and and figure it out.

705
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: I think something you said a minute or two ago, though,

706
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: is something that you should keep close to your close

707
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: to your heart in the coming eight, nine, ten months

708
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: to your next whitetail hunt, which is that sometimes you really,

709
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: truly can do everything right and it still just doesn't

710
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: happen because of the randomness of these critters and the

711
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: fact that if you're bouncing around, they could always be

712
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: at the other spot. So sometimes it's just not in

713
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: the cards, no matter how much time you put in.

714
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: So don't beat yourself up too much. Now, Yeah, what

715
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 2: about this? What was more mentally taxing your fifteen days

716
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: of close to all day sits in a tree stand

717
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin or running your Hunter mile race?

718
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I mean fifteen days obviously a lot longer

719
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 3: than the thirty three hours it took me to run

720
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: one hundred miles. I think it was at times more

721
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: intense running one hundred miles where where you're just you

722
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: get to points where you know you just sort of

723
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 3: your brain's having a hard time wrapping around why it

724
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: can't make your legs actually run anymore. But yeah, even then,

725
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 3: it's like, I feel like it's easier because you're still

726
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: you're moving there's like a thing you can do to

727
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: have an immediate impact on the outcome, which is put

728
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: one foot in front of the other. And on a

729
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: white tail deer hunt, you don't have that at least

730
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: the way I hunt, right, Like, there is that there

731
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: is this other version that we you know, you've interviewed people.

732
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: I mean I think that you know Zach from the

733
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: Hunt in public is best known for it's like, well,

734
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: just go find the deer, don't sit in a tree

735
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: waiting for the walk by, Like, go find where that

736
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: buck is and try to kill him that way. And

737
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: maybe I need to take that approach. So I would.

738
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: As hard as that hunter miler was, I think it was,

739
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: it's still because I was. I was legit burned out

740
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: by the end of it, and I have a hard

741
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 3: time saying no, like even when. So what we do now,

742
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: it's a great tradition is we have Wisconsin Deer Camp

743
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: for the opener and on Tuesday we kind of have

744
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 3: a changeover the camp where like the deer hunting crew,

745
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: the camp leaves and my brother, my daughter, my dad

746
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: we stay and then my sister's family shows up, my

747
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 3: family shows up, my brother's wife shows up, my mom

748
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: shows up and then we do Thanksgiving there, and like

749
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: I basically get to continue to hunt. I'm not hunting

750
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: as much, but I'm still making I'm making like at

751
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: least a nice morning or nice evening hunt every day.

752
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: And I'm I have a kid with me, or you know,

753
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 3: my wife comes with me or whatever. But like I

754
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 3: have a hard time you know, having two Well yeah too,

755
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: I say, because I had an archy tag unfilled, but

756
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: you know, buck tag unfilled in my pocket and not

757
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: going out. It gets very hard for me to do.

758
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: Even though it's you know, you're whatever, twelve days in

759
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 3: and the family's there. I'm like, well, I'm getting up

760
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: tomorrow morning again at five, and I'm gonna go into

761
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: the woods because I just have to. I have to go. See.

762
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: So what was the actual question? I feel like I

763
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: rambled when you were.

764
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: Riffing on the challenge of all those days compared to

765
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, the hunter miler.

766
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. So at the end of it all, like as

767
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving went came and went, and I was still you know,

768
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 3: getting out there, it was I definitely got to a

769
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 3: point where it was losing a little. It's luster big time,

770
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 3: you know, the grind had set in. I don't want

771
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: to say I was grumpy, but I was definitely just

772
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: kind of like, ah, what can I do? I need

773
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: to change something, you know. But again I'm like, well,

774
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be persistent and it'll happen, you know.

775
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: So it's tough till to swallow when you know it

776
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: gets dark on your last haunt, you know, and you

777
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: got to go home the next day. But it is

778
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: what it is, you know. It's not like you have

779
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: a bad time. It's like a you just gotta, you know,

780
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: eat your piece of humble pie and then go, oh. Right,

781
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: But I still got to hang out in the woods

782
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: for you know, fifteen days in Wisconsin. It was beautiful.

783
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's great.

784
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: You're training for your Hunter mile race. Yeah, days and

785
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: days and days and days and days and days over

786
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: the course of a year, probably even more than that really,

787
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 2: but for a long time leading up to the big race,

788
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: you were training doing a hard thing for a long

789
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: period of time. For days on end right, you were

790
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: consistently having to get up early and go do the

791
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: thing you didn't maybe always want to do. Sometimes it's

792
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: freezing cold, sometimes it was raining. Sometimes you were just

793
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: really tired or sore or whatever, but you train yourself

794
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: to be able to do that. Then you did the

795
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: thing the one hundred miles, and you had to go

796
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: through that kind of in a microcosm all over again.

797
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 2: But instead it was over thirty three hours, non stop,

798
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: having to force yourself take one more step, go up

799
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: one more hill, et cetera.

800
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: Did that.

801
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: Mental grind over the months in any way help you

802
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: handle the fifteen day mental grind of white tail hunting? Like,

803
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: did you build a mental capacity through that physical challenge

804
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: and training for that physical challenge that translated to your

805
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: deer hunt or anything else?

806
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't say that the two are really related.

807
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 3: I'd say more than anything, my capacity now for these

808
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: longer sits comes just from age. Like, I'm just much

809
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: more comfortable being happy because I think what is hard

810
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: about sitting for ten or eleven hours in one tree,

811
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: for especially people these days, with as fast as stuff

812
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 3: is happening, you know, and sort of the media that

813
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 3: we intake and just life in general, is that it's

814
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: the slowness of it, and it's it's literal boredom, and

815
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: are like, we're not used to being bored. It's not actually,

816
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a bad way to describe it,

817
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 3: but it is what it is. Yeah right, yeah, Like

818
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 3: there's it's boredom, and like I think, now it's easy

819
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: for me to go, oh, but it's not. And you

820
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 3: should appreciate the fact that you can enjoy this long

821
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: chunk of time that goes by so slow, and like,

822
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm aging slower because when when I'm

823
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: at home with doing the kids and everything, it's just

824
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: like six months just go by and clips and just

825
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: fast and right, and you look and you're like, oh,

826
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: my kids oldest one is fourteen. That's insane. And then

827
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: you go, oh, right, I aged fourteen years too in

828
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: that time that is taken to get hurt, you know here,

829
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: And so like, I really appreciate how slow time moves

830
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: when you're sitting in a tree stand because I feel

831
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: like there's I don't know, I think the only other

832
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: thing you could do is like legit meditate or I

833
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 3: feel like when I'm doing a hard workout, like you're like, oh,

834
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: it's only an hour, but like when you're in the

835
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 3: grind of a hard workout of an hour, time seems

836
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: to slow down to But yeah, I just think that

837
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: it's just has come with age that I appreciate stuff

838
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 3: where it moves, what time's going slow.

839
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: So what do you think that means for next year?

840
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: Do you see yourself doing I mean, I guess you

841
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: said possibly some different time periods. Do you envision more

842
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: just in general time, like more white tail time next year,

843
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: less white tail time next year.

844
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 3: I think it'll be similar, And a lot of that

845
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 3: just comes with where with this geography, right, it just

846
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. Not that I couldn't hunt deer Montana,

847
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: but I really like hunting deer again in the deciduous

848
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: forest of the Midwest, and uh, but I like hunting

849
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: everything else, and so to put more time to it,

850
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: I just don't see that happening. Like, I'm just fine.

851
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 3: It's obviously gonna take me longer to get better only hunting,

852
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 3: you know, one to two weeks of white tails every season.

853
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: If I lived in Wiscon said full time, that would

854
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: be more of my like major thing, and the elk

855
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 3: hunting would only be a week out of the year, right,

856
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 3: But I live in elk country where we can go

857
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: after work, you know, we can go on the weekends

858
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: on a short on a short stint, but I do

859
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: have a for me. What's out of state true out

860
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: of state hunt planned. Brent Reeves and I are gonna

861
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 3: go hunt Kansas together. He's got a spot and hopefully

862
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: he's also. I have a bunch of points i'll draw,

863
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: hopefully he'll draw it too, and we are going to

864
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: uh co film each other. So Brent's gonna film me,

865
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna film him. The cameraman will be characters in

866
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 3: the episode. And I think we're gonna have a great

867
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: time and I'm looking forward to it. I've spent some

868
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: time with Brent, wonderful human. We're gonna laugh a lot.

869
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 3: At some point we're gonna disagree about how we're gonna hunt,

870
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: and uh that's gonna be fun too, So I'm looking

871
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 3: forward to that. You know, I've never hunted Kansas. It's

872
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 3: uh it's right up there with Iowa and the other

873
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: great white tail states. I'm looking forward to, you know,

874
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 3: seeing some new country that'll probably just like hunting elk

875
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: at different locations, or just like hunting anything other than

876
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: what your like primary species is like it makes you

877
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 3: a better hunter in some way. You know, it's not

878
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: always a parent, right, but I think going to hunt

879
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 3: Kansas will probably give me insight to how to hunt

880
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: my place in Wisconsin better, you know, and that'll be cool.

881
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true.

882
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, if I if I had to guess, it'll

883
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 3: be roughly the same. I'm sure I'll do a week

884
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 3: in Wisconsin bow hunting, and I'll probably be there for

885
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: roughly a week for the rifle opener and Thanksgiving, and

886
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: then I'll have this Kansas home with Brent, So you know,

887
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: maybe maybe it will be a few extra days, but

888
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 3: pretty similar to this year. But yeah, nice, definitely looking

889
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: forward to it.

890
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 2: So you had a long couple weeks of white tail hunting.

891
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: You had an epic adventure in the Manitoba for caribou.

892
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: You showed everybody up in the Elk Woods by killing

893
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: a big bowl in like three hours or whatever it was.

894
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: You killed a mule there in five days. You went

895
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: to Alaska, you ran one hundred miles, You went on

896
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't know how many days of mountain lion hunts,

897
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: but I'm sure you had a lot of fun doing

898
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: all that. Like you said, amazing year. But do you

899
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: have any regrets? Is there anything that you wish you

900
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: had had done in twenty five that you didn't or

901
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: that you wish you did differently, or anything like that.

902
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I should have put I should have put more

903
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 3: time into the construction of the apartment above my garage.

904
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: Is that is that your wife whispering that in your ear? No,

905
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: because the plan is to rent that thing, and you

906
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: can't rent it until it's done right. And so yes,

907
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 3: my my sort of like absurd passion for hanging out

908
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 3: in the woods gets in the way of construction projects

909
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 3: for sure. You know, I don't know if I have

910
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: any true regrets. I try to be living without them,

911
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: but there's always If there's anything I'm working on these days,

912
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: it's probably personal relationships. You know. You and I have

913
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 3: these conversations about having relationships with our dads, and obviously

914
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 3: now we have it with our kids. But just trying

915
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 3: to you know, do better at that, even do better,

916
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: you know, having the best relationship possible with my wife.

917
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 3: And I'm not regretting, you know, how the year went,

918
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: but I think that always like looking forward to being like,

919
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 3: oh I could do that a little bit better, you know,

920
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 3: spend more time with them, you know, be more open

921
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 3: whatever it is, try to have more real conversations, you

922
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: know with those people. Yeah, but yeah, I think hunting

923
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 3: and adventure wise, no real regrets. You You don't seem

924
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: like a guy that regrets more.

925
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, I try not to. I

926
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: feel like every year gets away from me, though I

927
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: always feel like it. You have these grand plans or

928
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: or even small plans, but important ones, and then they

929
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: tend to slip by. I always struggle with something you

930
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: mentioned there, which is like balance and personal relationships. Every year,

931
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna do better, and maybe I do

932
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: a little bit better, but I probably still miss the

933
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: mark on those on those things sometimes. So it's like

934
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 2: trying to balance these grand ambitions, these big plans, these adventures,

935
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: satiating all that, and then balancing that with you know,

936
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: the family stuff, the relationship stuff. I think I'm guilty

937
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: sometimes of saying, oh, I'll do that someday. I want

938
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: to do that someday. I want to take so and

939
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: so on that trip. Someday, We're going to do that someday.

940
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 2: But I don't want that someday to never get here.

941
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: That's something that I probably need to just make happen

942
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: sooner than later. You know, those types of things, But

943
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: but yeah, I guess I don't. I wouldn't say I

944
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: have major regrets either, just I am glad. You know,

945
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: this year I did not film as many things, which

946
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: opened my calendar up for more family hunts which were

947
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: really important, like family time, which was really good. So

948
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: I was glad I was able to do that.

949
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: So that was it.

950
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: Would have been a regret if I hadn't had that.

951
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm glad that I did get that. And then this

952
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 2: coming year, I think I'm going to be filming more

953
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: this coming year with like a bunch of new things.

954
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: So I'm very excited about that because there's a bunch

955
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: of adventure and new stuff coming down the line for me.

956
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: But it's going to be how do you how do

957
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: you balance? That will be my challenge this year.

958
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: So I do feel like the more the more effort

959
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: I put into the home stuff and make sure that

960
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: everybody's happy there and you got those good relationships at home,

961
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 3: it's not only easier, but it just seems like the

962
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: universe sort of make sure you. It's like you're having

963
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: a better time on your adventures away when you know

964
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: that everybody at home is pretty stoked, you know.

965
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true. Well, being stoked is important, and I

966
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: want to make sure that you are stoked tonight on

967
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: your live show, Yanni. I want to make sure you've

968
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: got the energy necessary to perform on stage, so I

969
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: should let you get to the rest of your day.

970
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: I do appreciate you taking some pre uh live podcast

971
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: time to do a virtual podcast and catching up with

972
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: me on so O and stuff, so thank you.

973
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: You can't you can't call it a live podcast anymore though,

974
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: because we don't record them, we don't air them, so

975
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: it's really just a live show. Yeah, it was forebody

976
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: at home. It was. When we used to do that,

977
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 3: it was very difficult because every night you needed to

978
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 3: have one hundred percent new content because if you're just

979
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 3: listening from whatever city that we didn't go to, you're

980
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 3: gonna you don't want to listen to the same episode

981
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: six times in a row, even though we moved six cities.

982
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 3: So you'd have to make new content, new jokes, new

983
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: stories for every single night. And it, uh, it's a lot.

984
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: It's a lot. You know. That's why comedians have like

985
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: their their set and they repeat that set, you know,

986
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 3: and they refine that set, and it's kind of weird

987
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: that we're like in that space now, right, we're such

988
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: like amateurs. You know. Randall was making some hilarious jokes

989
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: last night about like, oh, you expect these guys that

990
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 3: like mostly hunt and fish, but now all of a sudden,

991
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: like you're gonna have them going a tour and they

992
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 3: got to get up on stage and like understand how

993
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: like you know, stage production works and do all that,

994
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: and yeah, we're just like like we're not professional you know,

995
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: actors or theater people or speakers or whatever. Right, but so.

996
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: Set properly low expectations if you're going to the shows.

997
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: Low expectations.

998
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: Please, No, Like I said, man, everybody's been having a

999
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 3: great time. We've been getting lots of laughs, and as

1000
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 3: the week goes on, we're we're finding the shows. We're

1001
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: finding the sequences and the stories and the jokes and

1002
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, dropping some things. But no, it's been good.

1003
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: Everybody's been having a great time. Been giving out a

1004
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: bunch of killer prizes and just you know, a bunch

1005
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,959
Speaker 3: of swagged everybody and everybody's you know, having a great time.

1006
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: So is there not? Is there not one? Unless you

1007
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 3: really have to go. We've got a few minutes. We

1008
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: didn't even make it an hour.

1009
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: We can keep talking if you want as much, as

1010
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: much as you like.

1011
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 3: You forced me to reflect on twenty twenty five, but

1012
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: it's so much more fun talk about what we're going

1013
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 3: to do in twenty twenty six, right, true, true? So

1014
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: what's your big adventure? What's the big adventure for me

1015
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Yeah, I've got.

1016
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: A bunch of them, Nie, I've got some wild ones coming.

1017
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: So you're trying to move out west. That's a pretty

1018
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: big adventure.

1019
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: Well that's possibility, ye know, Yep, that's a big one.

1020
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: Another one is I'm working on this, you know, I

1021
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: don't know what we're calling them, but short a film

1022
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: or an episode or something that is exploring the reality

1023
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: and all the controversy around wolves in America. And so

1024
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to go And I spent about part of

1025
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: a week in October searching for wolves, learning about wolves,

1026
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: spending time out there around them, bound some watch some

1027
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: from afar. We're going back in January for a full

1028
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: week in the winter, camped out in the back country

1029
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: with wolves, trying to follow them and observe everything they

1030
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: do for a week. So that's going to be a

1031
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: pretty cool adventure. Then sometime in the spring, I am

1032
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: doing a excursion following buffalo in an undisclosed location and

1033
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: it looks like a buffalo hunt as well. So studying

1034
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: what buffalo do in the world wild, how they impact

1035
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 2: the ecosystem, how they used to, what they're doing, where

1036
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: they've come back, and then yeah, getting to to do

1037
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: a buffalo hunt that's seemingly pretty close to for sure happening.

1038
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: We're working on a Arctic caribou trip of sorts one

1039
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: there's one possibility that might be a hunt in the fall.

1040
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: There's another excursion for another show I'm working on that

1041
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 2: might be seeking out and following one of these Cariboo

1042
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: caribou herds during their calving event and observing what that's

1043
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 2: like and documenting you know, when two hundred thousand caribou

1044
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 2: all of a sudden give birth all in one place,

1045
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: then the predators swarming in to try to take advantage

1046
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: of that, and the whole ripple effect of all that.

1047
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: So trying to find and document that that's something that

1048
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: might be happening in June ish. So those are a couple.

1049
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: There's a few others that are like on the table

1050
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: I told you about my prong Horn idea, right, have

1051
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: we talked about the prong Horn trip?

1052
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 3: Oh? I don't think so.

1053
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: So another one of these trips that that hopefully will

1054
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: be approved for another project, will be following a pronghorn

1055
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: migration on foot for more than one hundred miles and

1056
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: following them and backpacking along the way and documenting everything

1057
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: they have to go through to get from their summer

1058
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 2: range to their winter range and all the challenges along

1059
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: the way, and kind of explore wildlife migrations and and

1060
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: what's going on with that these days. So one hundred

1061
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: mile ish backpacking trip across some wild places would be

1062
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: a pretty cool adventure in October next year. So yeah,

1063
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: those are some that are up there.

1064
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 3: So what about what about the what about the boys?

1065
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 3: What's like the big hunt with the boys?

1066
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: So the big stuff with the boys would be the standards.

1067
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: They're not the point where I can go on like

1068
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 2: a out of state adventure thing with them, you know,

1069
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 2: for a hunt. So we're gonna do spring turkey hunt again,

1070
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: which the kids love. We do a lot of like

1071
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: fake turkey hunts, so like before the season, we just

1072
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: go out and try to call birds in just for

1073
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: like experience, and the kids get love hearing Turkey's gobble

1074
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: and just love being in the woods. And then once

1075
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: the season begins, then they're coming along for a bunch

1076
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: of hunts. And Everett, now, you know, like I said,

1077
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: he got his first bird last spring, so he has

1078
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: a tag and he'll be going after one again. And

1079
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 2: then I'll have my dad out and he'll have a tag,

1080
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: and then I'll have one too, So we'll do that

1081
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: and then just come you know fall, just hopefully have

1082
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: a lot of white tail season dedicated to just being

1083
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: out there with them. Some of my best spots have

1084
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: gone down in quality in the last couple of years.

1085
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: There's been like a ton of increased hunting pressure around

1086
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: some of my core places. The age class has just

1087
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: been crushed and and so that's that's a bummer in

1088
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. But the upside is that because

1089
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: there's no mature bucks to hunt, I don't feel the

1090
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: pressure to like treat them with like white you know,

1091
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: white slat satin gloves or whatever whatever the saying is.

1092
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 2: So I don't feel so guilty about like taking the

1093
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: kids out and shooting a bunch of dose or you know, shooting,

1094
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: you know whatever, because there's not some big old buck

1095
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 2: that I'm worried about messing up.

1096
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 3: So that's what you won't feel so bad when you

1097
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 3: take them out squirrel hunting, is they're not gonna mess

1098
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 3: up the home range or kick out your big bucks.

1099
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 3: But you need to be doing mark.

1100
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right. I need to do that. I

1101
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: know my boys would love it. They they call it squirreling,

1102
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: so like, hey, can we go squirreling? So like up

1103
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: at our deer camp, they'll just walk around with a

1104
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 2: baby gun, like, oh, we're gonna go squirreling.

1105
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: We're on squirreling.

1106
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: So those kind of roam search something out. But I

1107
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 2: have not done what you telling me to do, which

1108
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: is explicitly have a planned quality squirrel hunt. So I'll

1109
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: put that on the itinerary. They do a ton in

1110
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: the summer, not squirrel hunting, but back I just jumped

1111
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 2: in my mind back to like the adventure thing with

1112
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: the kids. As you know, you know, our summer ends

1113
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 2: up being like a really good adventure time with the kids.

1114
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: So we do want to kind of expand what we've

1115
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: done on those like back country trips. We've every year

1116
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: done a little bit more so this past year. Like

1117
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: I said, we did a four day for the first time,

1118
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: and they claim they're ready for a full week, so

1119
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: we might we might try to do that.

1120
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we missed out on ba We missed out

1121
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 3: on backpacking this year because of the other trips, which

1122
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 3: is this is fine, but it's definitely on the dock

1123
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: again for this summer. They're still both in the space

1124
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: of like they're sort of like when we start, you know,

1125
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 3: and planning up to it, but as soon as we're

1126
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 3: you know, down the trail a couple of miles or

1127
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 3: in camp the first night, everybody's pretty pumped to be there,

1128
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 3: you know.

1129
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe I can convince you and your family

1130
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: to take a couple six and eight year olds with

1131
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: you guys and us, the whole crew. We should do

1132
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 2: a shared backpacking trip one of these days.

1133
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that'd be fun. That'd be fun. Oh, my girls,

1134
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 3: your boys are young enough where they sort of like

1135
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 3: I think they had that like almost like a motherly

1136
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 3: or babysitter sort of like attitude towards your boys. If

1137
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 3: they were any older and more peer like, they wouldn't

1138
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: be interested, you know. But No, that would be fun.

1139
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: They thoroughly have enjoyed their past visits, so maybe we

1140
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: can do that.

1141
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Anything else in your twenty six schedule, Man,

1142
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,479
Speaker 3: I don't have any great adventures planned. I've been trying

1143
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 3: to draw a tat of an Elk archery Elk to

1144
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 3: Ba and Wyoming for I think this will be the

1145
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 3: third year. I guess point creep keeps getting me, but

1146
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 3: I feel like I just, you know, judging by the numbers,

1147
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 3: I really should have it this year. And there's actually

1148
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 3: some running races in these same mountains, and so I

1149
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 3: think if I think I'll know early enough that if

1150
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 3: I draw the tag and I could also sign up

1151
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 3: to run like a big race in the same mountain

1152
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: range and maybe somehow work that into the story. It

1153
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 3: could be pretty fun do a little scouting while I'm

1154
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 3: doing a big, big race.

1155
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 2: That's really cool.

1156
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's about the only uh like really big

1157
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 3: hunt I've got like a three two to three year

1158
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: plant going. I would like to do. A dream mind

1159
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 3: would be to go on a Alaskan sheep hunt or

1160
01:08:55,400 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 3: a Canadian sheep hunt for doll and I think that

1161
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 3: to make it, to make it something just more valuable

1162
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 3: to me, Like I want to go and I want

1163
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 3: to go and hunt with someone that's just got an

1164
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: immense amount of knowledge about the sheep right and that

1165
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 3: has a lot of time on the mountain and they

1166
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,879
Speaker 3: can speak to you know why those animals just really

1167
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 3: this captivate people so much. And I think I found

1168
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 3: the guy and I'm hoping that he's gonna he's older,

1169
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 3: as you'd imagine, because that's who you want to talk to,

1170
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,839
Speaker 3: an old guy that's got a lot of years in practice.

1171
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 3: But as sometimes happens, you know, you can catch people

1172
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 3: at the tail end and it can be too late, right,

1173
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 3: like they're like, no, I'm I'm retired, Like I can't

1174
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 3: do it anymore. But I think this guy's got got

1175
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 3: it in him to both do that. So I'm not

1176
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 3: even gonna mention his name, but I'm working on a

1177
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 3: two to three year plan and it really would like

1178
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 3: to do just like a solid bio piece, you know,

1179
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 3: through the lends of a sheep hunt, but to really

1180
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 3: do a biopiece on this person, but also on like

1181
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 3: what makes this person you know, really want to dedicate

1182
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 3: their life, you know, to be a being a sheep

1183
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: hunting guide. And so if I can get all that

1184
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 3: those like ducks in a row and make that happen

1185
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 3: in a couple of three years, it'd be pretty sweet.

1186
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 5: That sounds cool, make for some good looking forward to

1187
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 5: that one. Yeah, great, great, great story, great adventure. All right, Johnnie,

1188
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 5: I'm really gonna let you go this time. Good luck

1189
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 5: tonight with this show, have fun.

1190
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.

1191
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't talk before Christmas. Officially, Merry Christmas.

1192
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas to you, Happy New Year, tell the boys

1193
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,759
Speaker 3: and Kylie, I said hello, and yeah, we'll do it again.

1194
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 2: Right back at you, all right, and that's gonna do

1195
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,799
Speaker 2: it today. Merry Christmas, Happy holidays, have a wonderful kickoff

1196
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 2: to your new year, which will be starting here any

1197
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: day now. And as I mentioned at the top and

1198
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 2: during me and Yansa's chat, I'd encourage you to do

1199
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 2: a little bit of this yourself. Do some reflecting, do

1200
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 2: some reminiscing, try to appreciate the good times, learn from

1201
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: the tough times, and let's all move forward in twenty

1202
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: twenty six with big dreams, high hopes, and lots of

1203
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 2: good stuff on the to do list. So until then,

1204
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: thank you, and stay wired to hunt,