WEBVTT - Flex Alexander 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:05.080 R and B Money. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:06.080 We are. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:15.680 Take Valanti. We are the authority on all R. 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:19.920 And Blay in his tank Valentine and this is the 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:26.360 Army Money podcast on all things R rent B. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.200 We're gonna get into some real entertainment. Jay Valentine hair 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.960 because partlast an R and B Singapore. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.560 Whatever you are, you got to be able to intertange 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:46.440 at a high, high level. I don't want to waste 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:47.959 a lot of time on the intro because he does 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:48.680 so many things. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:54.320 He's exacting, comedian, comedian, Yeah, basketball player, listen hoop he 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.880 put Hooper on there. 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.240 Yeah, hoopers have to play defense. I don't know. He's 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:08.160 just a score. He's just a scoring. Listen. I played defense. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.280 I played you did not listen. I did it all 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.080 in college. At that stage in my life, I'm not 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:14.760 playing defense. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:14.960 You know. 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:17.800 In my thirties, I'm done with you. Did you ever 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.600 get a chip in the elague? Uh? No, Man, we 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:21.199 got close. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.840 We used to do flex dirty though they would throw flex. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.760 He would be like, oh, well you got flex, and 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:26.640 then it would be nobody else. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.320 I would have it. The one time that I had 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.880 a great team but nobody showed up. It was me, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.200 justin Timberlake, Ice Cube, Snooper, everybody tours and everybody was 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.360 on tour, everybody. I remember that we were I was 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.480 left with Yes, I was still left with me. And 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.320 then the cousin of nobodce Cube, you know what I mean. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:50.040 It was the age, but it was terrible. We had 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.960 one We went to one championship at the I think 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:58.160 it was Staple Center. I believe it Staple Center. And 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.480 that was the closest chance we had, and and and 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.160 yeah we didn't get it. I got there, I got 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:09.280 three and then yeah, yeah, yeah, but he always manipulated. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.320 He was always able to nothing. I was able to 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.560 stay with certain teams. Yeah, I didn't was able to 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:23.320 stay with certain team Dave Brown. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:30.120 Guess who I saw the other day, my center, Kenneth Career. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.200 Yeah. And then I had my three point shooter. Yeah, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:39.480 you know what I'm saying. Good squat Corey, hard corey Corey. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:44.600 And then we had playing no defense either, No I 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:49.040 need to shoot shoot three. That says yeah. Charlie Barrell 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:53.680 and Marcus Polk, you got we're gonna have people. They 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.480 have people. Yeah, we have the house. Yeah, because you 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.840 had too bigs. Yeah, that had too big. But but 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.239 Roger Roger. He was a big Roger. He was a 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:08.960 big played. That was his downfall. He should have been 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.359 in that and on the outside. That extended fire and 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:16.359 extended that. He was league. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. He shooting three. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.880 He was just like shooting three. One year I had, 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:23.160 I was with Harvey Mason. Uh, that's all you need 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.000 is Kenny Loughton was, you know, crying, that's my boy. 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.160 But he was like my team because they played together 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.000 and then they took him off my team and got 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.320 them together. So I had it was me. It was 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:39.200 it was Harvey Mason and Deon Taylor director he balled. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:40.760 But then soon as they took Harvey, we was just 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:45.200 like we just fell apart. It was it was. I 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.480 was telling my son that I was like, yo, we 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.680 felt like every Sunday we was in the league. Yeah. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.320 I mean was coming in because I would come in 0:03:53.600 --> 0:04:01.960 with my suit on from church on this it's on 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.600 the table. I always take the angles and the snap away. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.640 Oh my god. That was that was beautiful. The Travel 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.600 Games was dope to talk about it. Listen, I remember 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:13.920 when we got to ask by the Chicago s guy. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.960 I tell that story. We were in the locker room. Right, 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.240 we're in the locker room. Everybody's like, you're gonna go 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.360 out there, you know again, it just just give me 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.039 the ball. And then Brian McKnight he's like here, we 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.240 know we everybody's again, and I'm the other fellas they professional. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.320 I told you guys know, I was on your team. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.000 I was on your side. I kept screaming everybody and 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.920 I was telling them to I was like, yo, y'all listen, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.320 it ain't gonna just be no walking. I mean, they ran. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.320 They beat us by like forty seven points. It was ridiculous. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:49.680 When they filed Michael Clark Duncan got something yes across 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:55.000 his chest and he fell to the ground like like 0:04:55.360 --> 0:05:00.479 he hit the Yeah. I said, Jesus, yeah, right, what 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:01.719 have we gotten ourselves? 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.120 I mean it was it was. It was a lesson. Now, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.599 my highest level was college ball, but pro it goes 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.920 to a different level. And just watching nobody was going 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.120 for shots, they were going to spots. They just constantly moved. 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.599 It's their profession. It was crazy. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.360 But I called it, like I said, I said at 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.240 one point because the first half they weren't doing that. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.839 First half, we were just going back and forth twenty. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.760 But the second half they started talking in a different language, 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:37.600 different and girls started disappearing and reappearing on the other 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:38.240 side of the court. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.479 It was crazy, she's shooting. I'm like, just does he 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:43.480 know about the night before? 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.520 He doesn't know, since he's your teammate and we should 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.080 we at least give him insight. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.960 Well, it was his fault. It was whose fun. It 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.080 was all Tank's fault. What was his fault? Because he 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.000 goes to like a day we were at the day bus. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:00.240 He was, yeah, I didn't know. He starts challenging them. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.039 A friend of mine who's a sports agent calls me 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.880 and says, hey, your guy Tank. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.920 He's like challenging some of my clients and they said 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.800 they're gonna kick his ass tomorrow. I going crazy, and 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.200 I was there. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.360 I lost the shootout to the I can't remember who 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.599 the little white girl shooter was, but I was like, 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.720 I'm about all about the butt show and she beat 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.080 me about thirty on the shooting game, like that's that's 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:31.479 that's not gonna happen on the real court. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:32.720 Back and I was talking. 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.839 I kept talking, y'all not going y'all don't know what 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.719 to see this grown man business. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.560 Yeah, it was. It was I had twenty one. I mean, 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.560 but see there there and you have it. You have it. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.440 That's something everything because in the first half and when 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.839 I saw he said, when I saw nothing was working, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:59.520 I said, I said, for the team, nah my yo. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.680 That that was crazy, man, that was that was crazy. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.280 That was the best it was. It was that reminded 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.400 me of the time. I think it's before you you 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.520 got in the league. We did. Uh. We went and 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.920 we practiced with the dream the Olympic team. Oh wow. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.280 We got Lisa Leslie, t Spoon, all of them, and 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.160 Van Chancellor was the coach and he set us up. Now, guys, 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:24.560 I don't want you to go in there and hurt 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.640 my girls. Now we're gonna take it easy. Now we're 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.680 gonna just play. It's gonna be a little little practice 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.480 getting just get him sweating. Man. We go out there, 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.880 same thing, they picking running play like yo, we're like 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.160 all right. We started talking and it didn't end up good, 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.280 not at all. And Lisa Leslie was just I mean 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:41.679 just it was easy. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.960 So you're going to against the wh're you only on one? 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.600 I'm proud to say yes. Would never be the WN BBC. 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:51.440 Remember some of the. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:58.120 Do when some of the when they the girls from 0:07:58.120 --> 0:07:59.760 the sparks playing a. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.640 Man that it's not the same. It's not those are 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.800 the girls that got cut. That's not true. That's not true. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:09.160 It don't count. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.680 Listen, and so what there was another team they lost? 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.720 Flex you are you are I don't even say a 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.160 friend of a friend of the family. You are a 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.680 family of family. You're beyond that. We've been doing this 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.440 for many moons, many and many a Sunday. So first 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.520 of all, thank you for being here. Man. And you know, 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.880 like we're doing this arm and b Bunny podcast, like 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.199 we like to go back to the root of the thing. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.679 Look at the beginning of the thing. You know what 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.280 I'm saying. Where where does all this start? Where does 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:42.320 all this start to be? 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.120 It all starts for me. It was a lot of 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.680 people think I'm from Harlem, but I'm actually from the Bronx, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:52.360 from the from the South Bronx N seventy fourth and 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.600 Clinton Clinton Towers. And I moved to Harlem. At some 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.920 point I forgot you're I was in Harlem, but I 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.959 lived there my cousin over in Riverton across from Lincoln Projects. 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.319 Worked at Pampaan right, that's where the Alicia Keys shot that. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.439 You don't know my name video? I worked there, man, 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.480 you worked there? I worked there. I was up there. 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.680 We got a bacon, naggy cheese, Yeah, orange juice, what ice? 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.560 You know? I you know, I was trying to do 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.880 my thing, man, But yeah, started in the bronx, you know, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:27.400 came up. You know. Mom's grandmother was the ones in 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.360 the house holding everything down. Moms had like three jobs, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.560 my brothers. You know, my brother went to the service, 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.400 my other brother was doing his thing, and at eighty 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.559 five when crack hit. You know, it hit my family. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.280 So you know, I just got to the point where 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.640 I was like, yeah, I'm it's not what I want, 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:46.800 you know what I mean. I want to I want 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.760 to get up out of here. And I ended up leaving. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.880 I lived with my grandmother for a little bit, but 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.040 I had a aunt who was an alcoholic, so I 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.280 hated that. So I just went out on my own. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.680 You know what I mean. This is after going away 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.280 to school, coming back and just really trying to figure 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.640 out what I was gonna do with my life. I 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.839 knew I always wanted to entertain. I was a hip 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:16.200 hop dancer. I started dancing in the clubs oh Man seventy. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.960 I got out in the parks, like I got to 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.600 see everybody in the park. In the Bronx, I got 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.439 to see Grand Master Flash, Melly Mel, I got to 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.480 see the Furious Five. I got to see rock Steady Crew. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.240 I got to That's in the Bronx. That's in the 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.960 Bronx Man, That's that was the mech birtha me Birth 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.320 and Mecca. I got to see African band by all 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.480 of them up close, you know personal. I mean, you 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.400 know you disco Fever, you had the Latin Quarters, which 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.440 came later, but that was the thing. I was like, Yo, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:50.040 hip hop really hip hop molded me. Because of hip hop. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.200 Everything spawned from hip hop, everything spawned. I ended up 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.200 dancing for Salt and Pepper and choreographing for you know, 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.120 different groups and being in all these videos. And I 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.000 was in one of the Dope his Cruise Ever, the 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:08.120 Mop Top, my Boys, Stretch, Peter Paul Khleif Link or 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.040 Ramier it was called. It was motivated on performance, uh, 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.120 motivated on precision towards outstanding performance. We all had our 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.520 dreads and those are the brothers that you know who 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.440 did all the Mariah Carey stretch. Would remember the time 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:27.120 with Fatima, like we had a nice conglomerate, you know 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.360 what I mean. So we would break off and go 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.520 choreograph and do different things. But I just this was 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.000 always in me to do stand up and and comedy. 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.880 And from when I was little, I saw Eddie Murphy's 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.320 Delirious and I was like, Yo, that's what I'm going 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.040 to do. My mom was like, okay, baby, if you 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.960 say so. But that right there changed my life seeing Delirious. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.040 So let's start dancing. Let's start off with dance. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.719 Yeah, do you ever do you do you start off 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.960 and say I want to dance, Let me go to 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.400 a school where they're teaching dance, or do you just 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:00.320 immediately take. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.840 It to the streets. It was streets. It was just 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.040 being out there in the park. You know, Cat's got 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.360 the cardboard out and you just you're getting out there 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.480 with the car cardboard. And if you was if you 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:20.760 had money, you had so they still it started there. 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.400 That's where it started, man and I and I did. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.120 At one point, I went to the Lower East Side. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:27.800 It was it was a place called the Hemy Street 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.920 Settlement and they had different dance classes, and I took 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.920 modern jazz for a minute. Uh but you know, Fellas 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.360 was laughing at me, all you need to take it 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.520 out of jazz. But I'm glad I did because I 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:43.680 learned all aspects of a certain techniques that all that stuff. Man. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.280 But it started in the streets, man, It started right 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.240 there in the school yards and the parks. That's where 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.720 it started for me to dance. Who who was the 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:53.760 There's always. 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.960 A guy or a girl that you like that was 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.920 like the person that you was like, either stealing the 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.880 moves from or just hopping and just watching to see. 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:07.120 I think when I started, I tried to mimic a 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.160 lot of the cats on the rock Steady Crew, Kutiaki Buck, 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.280 four Crazy Legs, Mister Wiggles, all those guys, because they 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.520 went on to do Beach Street, the famous battle cry 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:22.480 joint right there. I mimicked those dudes, like you know, 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.440 I was like, man, I learned how to do a 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.959 head spin, and learned how to do the windmill and 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.600 watching them and then as I went on later, my 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.760 good brother who gave me the name Flex, my boy 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.000 Buddhist Stretch, one of the dopest to ever do it. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.640 I just copied a lot of what he did. Man, 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.000 he just had such you know, versatility, you know what 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.000 I mean. And I was like, yeah, I need that 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.400 in my repertoire. And that's how we clicked. And then 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.400 the whole crew and we just all we mirrored each other, 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.520 but we were still individuals, you know what I mean. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.520 So Stretcher probably one of the guys that I looked 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:06.679 at in the Mount rushmore of dancers. Are you doing 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.720 comedy at the same time? Now, I started comedy in 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.839 eighty nine. Now that came about because of my boy 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.679 Khalif loose Leaf was a dancer as well. I used 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.440 to be able to meet people, do impressions and you know, 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.160 just have cats laughing. And he kept saying, Yo, son, Yo, 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.160 you gotta get on stage and do that joint son. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.720 I'm like, He's like nah man. So that he dared me, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.160 I forget what the challenge was. But once he dared me, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:34.560 I was like, all right, all right, I'm gonna do it. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:35.840 I'm gonna do it. But he was the one that 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:40.720 kind of push me and my cousin Grapevine, who's in 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.480 the group Trends of Culture on Motown back in the day. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.000 They had a huge song called Off and On then 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.000 him DJ Mowell. They used to come down to the 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.600 Uptown Comedy Club. I mean in the beginning, nobody, you know, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.000 nobody was coming down there, and they would come support me. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.520 They would come week after week after week. And I 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.640 just felt like I couldn't do it if they weren't there, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.880 you know what I mean. And I went to the 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.960 Uptown Comedy Club and they have a new Jack segment. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.760 You have three minutes to do your best. I went up. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.280 I did it. It was laughing. I was like, yo, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:18.200 you freestyle it. I did stuff that I would do 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.320 in the house, you know, I had you know, I 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:25.240 used to do impersonations of Edith Bunker had a bullwinkle 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.640 selling drugs and you know, stupid stuff like that. Yeah, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.920 so I would do I would do those Jesse Jackson 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:34.920 and all that stuff, and I would just be all 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.920 over the place. But people loved it and I got 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.360 the response, and I was like, yo, and it's a 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.360 different kind of high. It's different, you know, from dancing 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.960 because I'm dancing for somebody else, but that I'm like, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.840 this is me. So then I was working with Salt 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.880 and Pepper. At the time, they would come support up 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.080 to the Uptown Comedy Club. 0:15:55.360 --> 0:16:08.840 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you pooring Champagne. 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.920 Pulled something to do, you know, spend. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.800 When they all came up, man, they support, How. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.080 Do you let's go back? How do you get that? 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.040 How do you get the Salt and Pepper gigs? We 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.520 you know, we're from the place, we know what that is. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:24.840 So what happened was spin shout out Todd call my 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.720 house and I don't know how she got another, but 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.280 she called back with the rotary phone. My grandmother had 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.240 the red rotary phone, so she called me, said he 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.240 no phone call, somebody spin to spend of something. Got 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.840 on the phone. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.600 As I'm getting older, I realized that they purposely messed 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.160 up to do that. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.080 Now I'll be doing the same thing. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:56.120 I do it, but on purpose, jeffy, everybody I don't know. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:58.720 So I get on the phone and she said, hey, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.000 you know, we're we're looking for another dancer to kind 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.760 of match Pepper's height or whatever. You know, you available, 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:06.960 you know, do you want to do what? We're about 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.240 to go on tour. We about to go do our 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.399 seneo all this stuff. And I was like, yeah, let 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.520 me check my calendar. I'm available. Yeah, and so what 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.439 did what? But what had you been doing to that 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.359 point to where they I was making the name for myself. 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.720 I was doing videos and you know chorey graph. I 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:26.440 had done the Crystal Waters video lit out, Yeah, and 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:31.200 Peter Paul I did that. I got the Power joint 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.199 with Chill rod g Joint. I mean I did uh 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:40.639 uh Queen Latif for fly Girl and what you call 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.879 it was a dancer in that video. He was in 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.840 a group on myps he probably sorry, I'm just people 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.240 don't talented. Yes, yes, it was in a group. I 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.399 don't know if it's men a vision or something you 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.600 can sing. Yeah, So he we were in that joint 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.720 together and Peter Paul too. So I just started making 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.200 a name for myself and I would end up choreographing 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.800 and or have stretched it something. I would assist him. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.800 He worked with this goop Caroll Seduction, and I worked 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.480 with them, and I just kept building the name. So 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.399 they just they called and I was like, yeah, I'm down. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.240 And the first trip was going to come in to 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.879 LA and we did our Senio and we did the 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.280 Marshall Warfield Show back when she had a talk show, 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.199 and we did another show and just did the press circuit. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.359 They shot a little kind of docu video. This was 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.000 like before people were doing that. And I was just like, man, 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.119 I'm like, I can't believe me. I'm in LA. And 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:38.720 I was like, this is great. This is your first 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.399 time leaving. This is my first time leaving, well, not 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.080 leaving New York, but coming to California. It was my 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.520 first time. Was I've been to North Carolina I was 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.320 ninety five, yeah, or go down to the family reunion whatever, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:52.679 but this was my first time. I'm like, I'm in 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.040 LA and I'm just like, Yo, this is crazy. Was 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.520 just blowing my mind. Man, it was just happening, like 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.399 and I'm sitting there like man, Senior Hall show and 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.959 Salt and Pepper was so They was so amazing with 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.040 including their dancers. You know, because most people, you do 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.920 a show blah blah blah, and then you got scurry 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.560 off and then it's the artist. But when we finished, 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.080 he would come stand out there on the floor and 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.960 you know, they would introduce all of us. Man. It 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.880 just I loved them forever. Man. They supported me. They 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.640 would come up to the comedy club and then they said, hey, 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.720 why don't you open up for us while we're on tour. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.879 I was like, so I would go out, do thirty 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.920 minutes comedy, go back, change, come out and dance. 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:39.199 When you went from doing three at the comedy club 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.000 to doing third eighty. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.160 Minutes, yeah, because by that time I had built up, 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:47.560 I had built up my comedy and as I was 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.560 gonna get them two checks, you going to dance too? Yeah? 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.760 I was dancing, so I would do the stand up. No, 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.720 actually there's three checks because I would do stand up, 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.199 go back, and change, and all the dances. We were 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:02.440 their roadies. We would grab their bags. Yeah I was 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:11.200 getting that brand. Yeah yeah, yeah, fake security everything, man everything. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.399 But yeah, they used to come up and support. But 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:24.359 so many people came into the Uptown Comedy Club. Uptown 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.080 Comedy Club was iconic. A Deaf Jam was spawned from 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.359 the Uptown Comedy Club. I'm just gonna go ahead and 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:34.960 say it. We were the first, really at that time 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.639 to be on the map with with comedians coming up 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.720 there with Chris Rock was everybody. Everybody came up. And 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.280 then we had a television show we shot right out 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.000 of Halem called The Uptown Comedy Club, we had all 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:50.800 the artists was yeah, oh yeah, yeah, okay, oh yeah yeah. 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.480 And they actually were in talks, I believe Russell and 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.760 you know, my ex managers at the time in the 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.479 in the owners and the creators of that, Kevin and 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.480 I J. Brown, you know about he wanted to bring 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.520 them on and create this thing with death Jam, and 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.240 I don't know what happened. They just ended up saying 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:07.840 we're gonna stick with ours, and then they went on 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.120 and did death Jam. But if you look at Uptown 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:14.280 Comedy Club, it's the same setup, the comedians there, everybody surrounding, 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:19.439 and it was just it was the dopest energy, you know, 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.680 Kevin and andre A mom so they sold Buffalo Wings 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:27.040 like it was it was hood, but it was so dope, man, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.680 it was the dopest energy ever. Man. I will never that. 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.560 That was one of the best times in my life 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.560 because I learned, you know, they taught me a lot 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.840 about stand up. So I was just doing impressions and 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:40.679 I remember doing a show with this one comedian and 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.000 he did the same impressions and I went after him 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.199 and I was stuck, and I said, I'll never let 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.159 that happen so I learned how to write jokes. I 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.240 learned how to talk about life experience and add that 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.720 into and if you want to throw an impression in cool. 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.240 But I just didn't want to make my whole act 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.960 based on that. And I learned a lot. I get 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.280 them all the credit in the world. It was. It 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.240 was the mecca we had, every we had Paul Mooney 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.600 was writer producer on the show. Hearing his stories, man like, 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:12.240 it was just amazing. Like everybody came up there. When 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.840 you go back and pull up Uptown Comic Club on YouTube, 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.480 you see Wu Tang Clan Luke, you see Tony Terry, 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.760 Every spectrum of artists came and saying and we did comedy. 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:27.159 And that's where the battle came from. The your Mama jokes, 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.240 the battle that they do on Wild spawned from that. 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.520 And Nick told me himself, he said, you know where 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.200 that came from, Right, Uptown Comic Club was the first 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:40.480 to bring your Mama jokes to television. That's great, Yes, 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:41.879 that was part of part of history. 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.520 That's your question. Yeah, I'm something you said in there 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.320 about that about that making that adjustment. As far as 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:54.520 for comedians, yeah, like I'm pretty sure most of y'all 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:58.240 have a set, So how do you make that adjustment 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.480 if somebody has similarity to your set and they go 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.280 on before. Yeah, right, because like even with DJ's it's 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:08.440 like they they give an opening DJ songs you can't 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.240 you can't play right, So I'm sure there's not like 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.919 an opening thing of like, yo, you can't do certain 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:15.320 you know. 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:21.120 It's it's it really is. Just don't take somebody's joke, 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.280 you know what I mean. That's the one rule. That's 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:25.000 the one rule. Don't everybody follows that. 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:33.920 Though within the circuit though everybody knows everybody, everybody knows, 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:36.640 like because I was when I was at the Lave Factory, 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.639 like all the comedians would be there, another comic is 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:43.640 on stage and somebody would say, do the lawnmar right, 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:45.879 you know what I'm saying, And they would just go 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:46.560 into the lawnmower. 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:50.320 Yeah yeah, yeah, guys know your stuff. There's a certain reference. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.400 Yeah yeah, there's people that you know that that's such 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.359 and such a joke. Whatever, Just don't do that. You 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.880 can talk. It's not to say you can't talk about 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:03.639 a lama because the age old saying is there is 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.520 not one original joke all of them. Are the variations 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:10.680 are the same thing. So but you know, okay, I'm 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.040 doing Jesse Jackson. This guy comes out, he does Jesse Jackson, 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:15.960 but he's talking about something different. Is he still in 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.880 the material? No, Jesse Jackson is open fair play, you know. 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:22.919 I just it just made me say, you know, I 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.160 want to talk about something else. And there's nothing wrong 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.119 with doing impressions, but I just said I want to 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.600 I want to really talk about something. And I broke 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.320 up with this girl at one time, and I just 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.520 started talking about it on stage and it clicked. I 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:38.600 was like, this is it right here? I said, this 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:42.560 is it truthful? Because you can't take my life, you know, 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:44.399 that's you know, my life is my life, So you 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.120 can't come up and talk about what I went through. 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.359 So that's how I made that they transitioned and learned 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.679 and learned how to put jokes together and learn how 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:55.080 to just add on because there's no rhyme or reason. 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:56.960 You don't just sit down when they go, okay, it's funny, 0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.199 it's little stuff. We could be having a conversation, you know, 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:00.480 we even having to come in. I say, oh man, 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:02.400 that that might be funny. When they take that put 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.600 that on. You know, I might be thinking of something 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.240 and I just need a tag. Or in most comedians 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:10.240 when you go out, they you know, cool dudes, be 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:11.960 like yo, man, you throw this on the end of 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.719 it and boom boom. Okay cool and it's cool like 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:16.639 and all my cats. And you know, I got to 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:21.760 give love to my boy Chris Spencer. He was he 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:25.320 was I want the guy who who said get your 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.640 ass back on stage because I walked away from stand 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.720 up once I got my TV show and did all that. 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:33.320 I walked away for probably twelve years because I got 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:37.720 to LA and I lost the that New York has 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:40.399 just the energy of I can go through three spots 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.440 to night. I could just go boom boom, boom boom, 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:45.480 and there you make money. You know, comics in LA 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.840 you don't make money. It's really like I didn't know that. 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.560 You know, they don't you really just being seen, you 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.480 know what I mean. You get paid something, but until 0:25:54.480 --> 0:26:00.480 you become like a yeah. But at that time with 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.320 New York, everybody was doing. Everybody was doing. They were 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.200 doing comedy out of bbq's. You know, they had the 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:10.320 drug dealers joined out in the Queen's Manhattan proper. There 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:13.200 was popping bottles and like it, like you, I could 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.240 go make five hundred here, fifteen hundred here, you know, 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.320 fifteen hundred here in the night, and I do that 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:23.200 five days a week, and then on the weekend I'm 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:27.280 eating I was making bread doing that. So I came 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:30.920 here and only known there that at that time, Yeah, 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.720 I had no I had done showtime at the Apollo. Yeah, 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.640 I done the Apollo. So I was starting to bubble. 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.159 And this was before my first TV show where I 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:43.280 lived with my boy Dougie Doug. Remember, Yeah, it was 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.760 before that show. So I was building my name, and 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.560 then once I got that show, it built more and 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:54.280 I was still doing it. But then once I got to, 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.320 you know, doing my own show, I just I was 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:02.440 like a go out here and and chase that money 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.840 when I'm making this, like and it's a grind, it's 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:07.639 a grind. And I just didn't play it right. I 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.560 remember I told DL that, man, I said, I said, 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.760 DM Man. I was like, man, I just I didn't 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.600 want to leave and then come back and my child 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.800 has grown and I've been going all of me and 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.480 he was like, she, excuse get everybody ass a call 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.240 d L that's a hard working dude. Man. I love 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:31.359 that dude. Man. The sacrifice that thing, yes, yes, And 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.160 I didn't at the time, I didn't you know, get it, 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:39.280 you know. And and I sacrificed those years in a 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:42.760 sense I missed an audience that couldn't ride with me. 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.080 And then once I did a show, it was just like, Okay, 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:47.640 that's what he's doing now, you know what I mean. 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.760 And brothers like Dyell and said, all of them, Uh, 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:53.760 they've all just stayed that course. Dave Chappelle like I 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.840 used to hang with day back in the day. He 0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.560 used to be a Boston comedy club and and and 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.119 the comedy seller and go to spot to spot and 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.200 I mean just one two in the morning. I remember 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.080 doing Spot to be the comedy seller, performing with Ray 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.360 Romono at like twelve midnight. There's fourteen people in the audience. 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.560 You know, this is before he had a show. He's 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.600 working on his material, you know, and next thing, Stud's 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:21.480 got a show. It's crazy, but you I think I 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:25.280 felt more in love with you know, when I was 0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:29.480 doing my show, just the freedom that I had and 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.720 the money that I was making as opposed to I 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:33.480 got to go out here and grind it out. Yeah, 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.720 you know what I mean, it's a different comfort level 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:37.480 that you can definitely fall in love. Yeah, I'm like, 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.280 oh yeah, I'm cool. Mant me, look at my accounts. 0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:43.400 I ain't got to go out and do seven shows 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.360 for you know what I'm saying, which was still when 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:47.719 I look at it, I was saying, stupid. 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.120 It's just like, you know, perspective or it's just a 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.120 thing where like I remember at the beginning of my 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:59.320 career in the music side of it, like I didn't 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.720 know ex exactly what you should do when you have 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:07.200 a hit record that you wrote and produced one hundred 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:12.320 percent of. I don't know what that meant. I thought, 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.520 So all the alcoholics free. 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:28.280 We did, Kevin, you mean I can keep my shirt 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:30.240 off rock all the time? 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:35.160 No one was No one told me, okay, So this 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.280 is what you can do now now you are. Now 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:41.239 you can go write and produce for these people. But 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.240 not only that, you can start a publishing company because 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.560 people songwriters and producers now kind of want to be 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.480 you and under you. Now you can get an a 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.480 stall of writers and producers who now you don't have 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.440 to do all the work and and now, and you're 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:58.440 an artist and you can you know talents, So why 0:29:58.480 --> 0:29:59.600 don't you just start a label? 0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.880 And good? Nobody told me this, I know. 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.040 So it's like a thing where like I got to 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.840 this comfortable space where now I'm getting some money. Yeah, 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:14.120 I'm getting these these performance Yeah. 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:16.800 What else do I need to do? Exactly? I'm chilling. 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.800 Some people look at it as you lose sight, other 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.800 than you didn't have the the foresight, you know what 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.880 I mean, because people be like, oh, you know, you 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:28.360 didn't keep the main thing the main thing. 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.080 Well, sometimes you don't know what the main thing actually 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.200 is or. 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.440 What comes along with the main thing being successful and 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.080 all the ancillary things around it that you can now 0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:41.600 build your company and your empire whatever you're trying to 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:42.040 build out. 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.280 No idea, because at that time, we weren't thinking about 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.520 reiterating what you said. Like now everybody's like, no, my brand, 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:52.680 you know, I'm building that said brand. 0:30:54.360 --> 0:31:01.240 Exactly, exactly exactly, just because we didn't have the brands. Yes, yes, 0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.920 everyone else had brand yes, and we just you know, 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.120 we're consumers of their brand. 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.200 And helped build them. So where was in your opinion, 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:17.960 what's your big break man? I mean show Uptown Comedy 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:24.080 Club definitely, because Uptown Comedy Club and Showtime with the 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:28.080 Apollo were the things that really introduced me to the 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:33.760 world in a way that it said, Okay, he's his individual, 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.880 I'm not his dancer anymore. This is you know, this, 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:41.360 this is flex you know. And even still in my 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.480 mind it being on TV, I still was only thinking 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.800 about New York, you know what I mean, Even still 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:48.640 I was just like, yeah, man, you know, I just 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.200 that's why I didn't even when I started traveling, I 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.160 started seeing like, oh, people watch the show. You what 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.440 I mean? It trips you out, and it still trips 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.880 me out. I've never been one to get flying, but yeah, yeah, 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:03.800 that's me. I've always been grateful, always still surprised when 0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:07.000 people remember stuff. And I'm thankful because if not that 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.640 I could not have a career. So that for me 0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.800 was was a big breaks. Uptown Comedy Club, showed Time 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.560 to Tipolo and then doing Death Jam. I did Death 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.880 Jam when Martin was there, and then I think when 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:22.480 Ricky Harris got Rest of Soul when he and It's 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.560 funny Ricky Harrison and I we had this thing, man, 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.360 you know, Ricky used to have something with everybody and 0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:33.480 and it's crazy. They were shooting this documentary on comedians 0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:35.560 or death jam or something, and he and I got 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.560 to see each other. It's probably a few months before 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.720 he passed, and we got to see each other man 0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.640 and we just laughed. I said, man, brother, I love you, Man, 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:45.880 I love he said man. We was young and da 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:47.720 da da, And I'm so glad that we got to 0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:51.000 had a conversation because I was so mad at his ass, 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.880 because he went out and did well before he introduced me. 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:58.520 He on purpose did one of my closing joke that 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.720 was the killer. He did it before I came out, 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:03.120 and there He's like, yo, give it up a flesh 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.240 and he came back he was like, yeah, knock it out. 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:09.560 I was like, this, mother, what's up y'all? It was 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.360 that quick. I had to adjudge. Yeah. You know why 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.960 he did it though, because he was just didn't he 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.560 didn't care at that time. Ricky. Ricky working with a 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.680 lot of people back then, and it was it was young, 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:26.200 was the nineties. People he had egos. It was yeah, 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.120 he was. He was all against and that was right 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.600 in the height of you know, tat down and all 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.720 that stuff, man, But I'm glad we got to talk 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.480 and you know, we straightened all that out and was 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:40.880 just man, it was a good brother, you know. And 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:42.800 you you sit back and you're just like, man, you 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.400 see how you matured and you know what I mean. 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:50.480 But but those shows, uh yeah, Uptown Comedy Club because 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:54.200 that's really it was weekly and that's when I was like, man, 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.920 I started making money. I was like whoa. And then 0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.600 I did show Time Me to Pollo three times I 0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.800 and you do Spot Simbad Malcolm Jamal Warna and Earth 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.640 Kit Okay yeah, yeah yeah. Earth the Kit was like 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.960 he's one of the rising TV styles from how give 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:18.560 it that all? Flex? I was like, man, my god, 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:19.759 that was my. 0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:27.080 Were were you purposely trying to get out of dancing 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.799 once the comedy thing started started taking off? 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.000 Yeah? Once the comedy started just taking off. And I remember, uh, 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.440 Cheryl calling me it was just like you and I was 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.239 telling him I got this and she was like, look, 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:42.080 she said, Flex, just go do your things. She's like this, 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.479 it's time for you. It's time for you to soar. 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:48.000 And and you know you're not dance no more, you 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:49.320 know what I mean? Because I was still trying to 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.359 hold on because I loved it that much. 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.960 You know, like you said, you never got fly with 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:58.200 nobody do that no more. 0:34:58.280 --> 0:34:59.680 I was still trying. I was getting gigged, and I 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:01.520 was still kind of going, you know what I mean, 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.560 and and and people started recognizing me and uh, and 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:08.480 I still try to hold on. And I remember I 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.440 was up for the movie Juice. It came down to 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:15.319 myself and Omar's between the We auditioned for like a week, 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:20.520 and that's where I met Trench. There pop all of them, 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.799 so they were mixing matching actors. So there was another 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:27.239 friend of mine who read for the role of Steel. Uh, 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.520 the young kid in there. It was it was fighting 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.440 at his house. It was Khalil Kane. It was. It 0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.720 was a bunch of us man and so we all read. 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.239 And I remember meeting pak and and I remember in 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.280 the audition I was where I knew he was different, 0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.919 and I knew I was inexperienced. I'm in the room 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:49.520 and Jackie Brown Carmen I was cast and director g 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:54.279 Rod Brown, Ernest Dickerson. Uh directing Ernest Dickerson. So I'm 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.640 in there. We're doing the scene, a locker scene where 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.080 he closed, and he was like, where you been Q 0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:00.480 And then he sees him and he know, and he's 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.560 telling him, I'm crazy. I don't give it, and we're 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.680 doing the scene and before he was in the movie. 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.520 He walks off, flips his hood up, but he's doing 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:09.480 the scene with me. He was behind me. He was like, well, 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.000 I don't whatever, I am crazy. It's like pot none. 0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:14.319 He smacked me on the ass and walked off in 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.399 the scene. And I started joking because we were out 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.359 in the hallway joking and laughing, but he was locked in. 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.080 I wasn't locked in, and I was just like I 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.240 look back at that and go like man and Omar 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.719 you know, because he went, Uh went to Good Day 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.120 to performing our school. Uh, not Julie R. But it 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:34.880 was one of the performing on school, him and Marlin 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.919 uh and all of them went to om Marbles again. 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.440 He was focused, he was you know, they was already 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:44.120 that that's where I saw, okay, my inexperience and where 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.720 I need to lock in to go to another place. 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.279 And they took us all to dinner. It was like, 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.120 you know, the last supper to see who was gonna 0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:53.440 make it. And then Uh, I didn't get the call 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:55.640 and and I get the call, so I was I 0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.360 didn't get it, and I mean by call Shauff, I 0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.640 was like, I ain't get the movie. And I was 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:01.800 so crush And this was your first audition for anything, 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:03.839 for anything. They saw me at the Uptown Comedy Club. 0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:05.719 They said, hey, we're doing this little movie called Juice Man, 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:07.879 we'd like to have you come in. And that's how 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.719 that's how it started. And I remember them calling me. 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:16.319 You know, it's like a week or so later. Director go, hey, man, man, 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.600 we love you. Man. Sorry it didn't work out, but 0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:20.040 we just want to you know, we want to fit 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:23.319 you in there somewhere was back and it became this 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.120 class thing class a lot of teeth and a lot 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.320 of teeth. Was like she I knew already from comedy 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:31.759 and all, and she said, you know, don't make me 0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:33.640 look stupid. I was like, nah, got you say. Can 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:35.440 We're gonna say this right here. We're gonna boo boom boom, 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:37.799 just so she has the upper hand and then uh 0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:41.719 and we we we delivered. So y'all created that scene. Yeah, yeah, 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:43.840 we came out because we didn't know what the scene 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:47.640 was created. As far as the DJ audition and you know, 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:49.640 the bad DJ come out. We didn't know what we 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:51.960 were gonna say, but she knew I was a comedian 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.799 and she didn't want me like really going in, you 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:57.320 know what I mean. So we kind of talked, but 0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.719 I'm gonna say this, and then it just and that 0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:02.719 was it lived And I look at it now and 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.439 I see my inexperience because when I'm when I turned, 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.839 I'm like, I'm like you you might have a chance. 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.240 And then she was so small and then I turned 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.880 with my back to the camera. That's my inexperience. I 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.120 turned and walked up. He turned the other way so 0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:18.160 they see your face. But ever became an iconic scene, 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.279 that little bit. Man, No, it's viral. It's always ral. 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.880 Whenever they're connecting it to somebody being wacked by somebody, 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:26.600 you always. 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:28.759 Say that just posted it. Fifty posted it like two 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:31.560 weeks ago because I guess whatever when he did the 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:35.879 thing in in uh Street Street somebody's music, Yes, yes, 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.560 about to do I guess they had a little thing 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.120 going back and forth. But he threw that up there 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:45.400 and just relived again. There's gotta be some residuals attached 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:47.680 when when you go. 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:52.600 When it just resurfaces and starts circulating, it's street. 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:59.280 I wish it keeps you in the like in mind street. 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.040 I like it because that is very valuable for sure. 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:06.080 That's because people still talk about that and they talk 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.080 about like I started it, and I'm like, man, I 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.200 just had that little part, but I'll feel it. Be 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:14.400 grateful for that, Grateful for the connections and you know, 0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.120 meeting Pok Pok and just being cool with him, and 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.279 you know, every time I saw him, it was just 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.800 always love man, and that right there. I always I 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:24.720 always cherish that always. 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:29.719 Okay, So move to l a man, Yeah, lah, yeah, 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.280 come on and bis man, what's the palm trees? 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:37.600 And that was when I came man man, he said 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:39.279 that was on the pan. That was the family is 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:41.600 that you should be here. The crazy thing. The crazy 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:43.319 thing for me is you know when you came out 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:45.080 there to work, girls knew what you were working on, 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:48.919 Like it was crazy. I was like, when you came out, Yeah, 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:52.120 when I came, yeah, they knew it. Oh you shooting like. 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:53.800 He was? 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:55.799 He was you know, he was on the film televisions 0:39:55.800 --> 0:40:00.600 at different and it was ninety one, Yeah, ninety one 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:05.680 came out here ninety one, we shut we uh shot 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:09.560 Where I Live ninety two and it aired in ninety three. 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:13.960 How did you get the show? So the Brown Brothers 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:19.319 were managing Dougie Doug and yes my ex managers. Yeah, 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:21.720 they were managing. So we were all under that umbrella. 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.560 I mean they had everybody, Tracy Morgan, you know, I 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:28.000 saw Tracy Morgan walk in the door. JB. Smooth like, 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:32.279 they had everybody. Man, that's my dude. So they were 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.600 doing a showcase and they did it purposely, did a 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.759 showcase at City College so that the producers could see 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:42.040 everybody and hopefully, you know, they like somebody. So I 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:44.960 go up through my thing, you know, Doug finishes, closes 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.080 out whatever, and then they say, hey, man, they like it. 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.120 They want you to read for it. Like I'm like 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:51.080 all right, cool. So I'm like, okay, I'm ready now 0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:56.400 audition in New York and uh they liked me. And 0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:58.399 then I do it again. They're like, okay, we want 0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:00.960 to fly into LA I'm like, okay, cool, come out here. 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:04.640 I'm staying at the Universal Hilton and I'm just like, 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:09.319 oh man, it's I'm like I got predemned. So I'm 0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.719 there and then I was only supposed to be there 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:14.839 for a couple of days. Like, I'm seeing all these 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.959 dudes in the audition that I watched on The Cosby Show, 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:22.520 and you know, established dudes. But I had that New 0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:27.080 York I was like, I don't care whatever. I was like, yeah, 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:29.160 I watched y'all. I was sitting in the Bronx. I 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:30.920 was like, but I'm going to get this joint. So 0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:34.880 I had no fear. And that's the thing. It's the 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.840 great thing about New York and the flip side of 0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:42.399 the downside to La. The sunshine can put you to sleep, 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:46.440 and I kind of lost that, you know, that hunger. 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:48.239 But at that point I was hungry. I was in 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.920 there like doing doing my scenes over and they're like 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.800 the boy. They laughed. I'm like, ah, and it was 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:56.480 you know, so I was like, I know, I put 0:41:56.520 --> 0:42:00.839 it down. So my former agent, he had the same 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:06.520 agent as a Robin Harris, God rest his soul. Uh. 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.000 They set up general meetings for me. So I go 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.920 to CBS for a general meeting. So this is a 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.799 few days later. I go and I'm sitting there waiting 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:19.799 to meet the executive and an interceptionist. Of course, he's 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.080 right here, gets on the place. Name is Bill Gross 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:24.960 said hey, flex like some good man, saying no you 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.759 still wait run. I'm like yeah, he'said, well yeah, I said, man, 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.000 just unfortunately you can't take that meeting, you know. And 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.400 I was like, wives, because you got the show on ABC. 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:36.520 I was like what what gave her the phone? And 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.640 I was like, heah, I gotta leave because you know, 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:44.560 I got the TV show. And I can remember the 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.360 feeling I had. You know, they had to call me 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.160 a cab. Back then, it was Valley Cab. There was 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:51.040 a red and white company and I had to take 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:52.759 a cab all the way from CBS all the way 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:57.480 back to UH Universal and I remember that feeling like, Yo, 0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:00.879 I'm gonna be on TV on Channels seven and thinking 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.279 of all the shows I've watched on Channel seven growing up, 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.000 you know what I mean, from Happy Days, you know, 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.440 Fantasy all that stuff, and I'm like, I'm gonna be 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.759 a part of that. And I was I called my 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:16.640 mother my grandmother, and I was just that feeling right there. 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:18.759 I'll never forget that joint. It was. It was it 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:20.680 was crazy. It was like the first time I dunked, 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:24.960 like yo, and we uh we. I had to move 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.680 out here and you know, got a place and we 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:32.680 started shooting and understanding camera position. All that worked with 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:37.440 a great producer and Michael Jacobs who did Dinosaurs and 0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:42.080 Boy Meets World, Don Tranovsky and brother Eric Van Lowe, 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.320 and I learned so much. I learned. I learned and 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.000 my boy Sean Baker, you know my other co star 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.160 man we had so in the boy Jason bow Smith 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:54.719 who was the little bad kid and Friday on the bike. 0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.680 Yeah yeah, yeah, j Knocker Doyle like we had in 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:04.880 Sovan Walker was an amazing actor and Lorraine Tussaint was 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:09.239 this amazing actor is still killing it. And I just remember, like, yo, man, 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:14.480 I'm in Hollywood, man, I'm doing TV. Like yo man, 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.480 this is crazy. I'm like, I ain't ever going there. 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:22.520 And how long did that show last? Unfortunately only lasted 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:27.920 thirteen episodes. Something happened where I won't go into that 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:32.360 with between it, you know, started the show and the 0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:45.719 network and it just it didn't go anymore. But then 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:50.840 I in ninety four after the Northridge earthquake, you know, 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.960 we have one working and north earthquake hit, I was like, 0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:57.239 I'm going back to New York. I'm like, I ain't 0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.160 built for this. I come back to New York and 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:01.160 I get back on my stand up grind. I'm boom 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.520 boom ninety four, ninety five, ninety six, boom that I 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.080 get a call. Hey man, you know this is New 0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:12.560 Network UPN You know they they have a show. They 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:16.879 will offer you a holding deal. Now this was back 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.360 when you can cake up getting holding deals. I had 0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:23.320 had one at Disney for you know, a few hundred 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.080 thousand and helped me for a year and a half. 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:28.400 Didn't do nothing, they just paid me. And then this 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:30.400 came up. So they sent me a bunch of scripts. 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.919 They said, oh, this script right here, they're really high 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:35.360 on and they gonna probably do this call Homeboys and 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.040 out of Space. So I looked at them. Now I 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:40.600 was like, Homeboys, not a space. Then I find out 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.399 it's the EP who was working on Where I Live 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:46.960 to show that I had just done. So he hit 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.680 me up. He said, flax my man, flex second, Hey man, 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:51.799 it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be And I said, yeah, man, 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:53.719 but do y'all have to say homeboys? I said, that's 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.399 so old school. He's like, no, man, people are gonna 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.840 love it, and I'm like, all right, cool. So we 0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:04.120 shoot the pilot and Mel Jackson who was the original 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:09.880 cast member. Mel Jackson was from soul Food. He was 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.759 lem Me Well from soul Food. Shout out to Mel 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:18.520 and shot the pilot with him, and then and Rona 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:22.279 Bennett who's in Vogue. Rona Bennett singing sister, she was 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:27.960 in it. Uh So shot the pilot. So we're waiting. They' say, oh, yes, 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:30.480 you know, it's picked up. And then I get a 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:34.120 call from number I don't recognize. I'm like, what was it? What? 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.320 Darryl Bell? Yo, what's up? Man? Daryl Bell from a 0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:39.200 different world say, man, I'm excited we're going to be 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:43.000 doing this. And I was like, huh what. And they 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.960 replaced Mel and brought in in Darryl Bell. And then 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.239 we went on to shoot the show and we had fun. 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:54.200 I mean, it ended after twenty two and then it 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:58.560 went that dark period. It was like what's next? And 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.759 to be honest, I was I was frustrated. I was like, 0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:05.960 are you still in La? I'm still in La living 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:12.920 just this just this spot Lastancia over, yes, right there, 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:16.839 living right there and trying to figure it out. Man, 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:22.239 and I remember, you know, moving in, me and my 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:26.160 cousin moving in. Off comes the elevator, Shannice, and I'm like, 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:28.960 I'm like, yeah, you live here. She's like yeah. I'm like, yo, 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:30.960 I'm moving there. And I knew who she was. I 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:33.840 didn't know her, but of course I knew she was 0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:36.279 going to see Laurence Hill. And she was like, I'm 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:37.839 wait for me. Was going to see Lauren Hill. Going 0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:39.520 to see Lauren Hill that night and she was like, 0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:41.680 I'm waiting for my cousin. Blah blah blah blah. Was 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.640 she taking along? And I was like, well, you know, 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.520 give me the number and keep in touch. And it 0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:48.800 wasn't even on like that type of thing. And she 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:50.960 was like, all right, I'll be back. She went upstairs, 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.520 took like thirty minutes like I'm out, and then you know, 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:56.360 I see her two weeks later. I said, all right, 0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:57.920 now you ain't give me a number. Four. She gave 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:00.000 me a number. We just started talking and I remember 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:01.560 but sharing with her. I was like, yo, I'm out 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.920 of here, like I'm tired. I'm like trying and trying, 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:08.279 and she said, you got to do your own thing, 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:10.719 you got to create something for yourself. She said, you're 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:12.279 too talented. We are you gonna go back to New 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.160 York for She really pumped me up, and I was like, 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.080 do you have any ideas? I said, yeah, idea about 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.000 a single dad. You know. It was buddy of mine 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.600 from Harlem. It was a single dad and you know, 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:25.400 just watching his life. She was like, there you go. 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:31.279 And then that spawned, you know, the idea of just like, man, okay, yeah, 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.680 this this is something that you know, I should get 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.279 out and pitch, you know, and then this is where 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.520 you start to learn all of the ins and outs 0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.839 about about pitching and all that stuff. So I had 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:47.600 a friend originally from the idea write a script, you know, 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:50.759 paid them for the script. They turned it down, but 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.239 the ip is still mine, you know what I mean. 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.600 So I'm like, Okay, I want to keep going and 0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:00.279 I want to try to pitch this again. Got another deal, 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:05.240 got a pilot, a script deal from ABC and Disney, 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:10.480 and I got another writer. They turned that down. So 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:12.560 again I'm like, well, hey, I still want to go 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:14.279 out with this, but I want to take it back 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:17.560 to how I originally envisioned it. Because you get writers 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.719 and they add they had their visions too, which is 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.040 which is fine. So I said I want to I 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:24.839 want to get back out with it. So my agent 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:26.759 was like, all right, cool, let's let's let's go back out. 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:28.840 So we go back out. My agent and my manager 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.200 at the time, we go out pitch it. I pitched 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.319 it to green Black John Lowry, Bob green Black, who 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.480 was had NBC for a while, David John Lowry just 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.520 done so much stuff went in. They had a deal 0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.719 at Fox, uh and another executive then Keith Cox. They 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:47.080 had a deal at Fox. So pitch it like on 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.480 a Tuesday, that Friday call, It's like we want to 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.760 do it. We love it, like like oh this is dope. 0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:59.920 And in a time frame from the idea to now 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:03.120 out actually doing a deal for how much time is that? 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:12.719 It's probably about, I say, really a year, year, year 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:16.120 and a half maybe, which is pretty quick. It was quick. 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.880 It moved pretty quick because it right around after I 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:24.160 met wife. Yeah, because I met her. My brother passed 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:27.560 in ninety seven, and then my after my grandmother passed 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:32.759 in ninety nine, and yeah, so it moved pretty quick. 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:34.480 So they said they want to do it. It was 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:37.760 like all right, cool, So I obviously put the deal together. 0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:41.440 I got to find writers, you know, looking for writers. 0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:43.799 I met with like five six writers. Met with his sister. 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:47.360 You need the boom got wrestled. We'll go over to 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.399 her house and wife and I'm telling her the story, like, hey, 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:53.839 this boom boom, it's dead. This is this all write 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:59.680 it down. And then we go to shoot the pilot. 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:03.920 So I'm doing all the deal stuff and and and 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:06.440 I said, I created by credit. I'm like, a right, 0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:09.279 cool boom boom boom. Fill all that out. Okay, so 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:11.840 that's throwing to the side, and now we shoot and 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:16.880 then we get to I forgot what point it was. 0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:21.080 Oh it was. We shot the pilot and then we 0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:25.640 didn't get picked up. We were it was uh, my wife, 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:29.040 you were driving and I got the call. They were like, yeah, 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:32.399 they're not gonna pick it up. And then we pulled over. Dude, 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:36.080 we start crying because we just got married. I'm like, 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.239 what am I going to do? I was like, And 0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:41.279 we put on Mary and Mary was like, God just 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:48.360 can't give me. I come to We sit on the 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:55.200 side of vine and like, O were crying. Man, Jesus, 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:57.840 I'm figuring. I'm like, what am I gonna do so 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:00.680 then you know it's just you know, you go through that, 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:06.640 those emotions. So they cut to a year's past. Sorry 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:10.359 first year anniversary. We're driving back from Santa Barbara, get 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:13.600 a call from my ex manager David. He's like, hey, hey, Flex, 0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:18.799 how you doing man. I'm like, I'm good man. He said, hey, so, yeah, 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:20.239 would you want to still want to do your show? 0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:22.040 And I'm like we talked about I was like, yeah, 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:23.640 Paramount's picking it up and they want to do it. 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:28.880 I'm like what, I'm like, what amo so? So explain 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:32.000 how something like that. I still don't know because I've 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.839 never but I've never been a part of a show 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:37.560 shot a pilot where it didn't get picked up and 0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:40.000 it get picked up later or was it in the 0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:44.760 same place. No, it was different network, every different studio 0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:49.120 exactly same network, network, different studio, different studios. Sell you 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:51.480 what happened. So there was the head of the network 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:56.040 at the time. What was his name, It'll come back 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:58.080 to me, but but the head of the network at 0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:02.920 the time, he called me himself and he was probably 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:04.520 said hey man, because he used to be over at 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:07.480 Dean lit Back was his name. He used to be 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.960 over at upm when I was on Homeboys. He was 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.200 at Disney, so he's seen me grow, he's known me, 0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:16.080 and he's just like, man, this kid is great. But 0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:18.479 by he called me and said, hey, man, I'm so sorry. 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:20.120 We should we should have picked you up. You know 0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:23.120 the first time they had picked up a show called 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:27.120 The Secret Files of Desmond Pfeifer. It was the show 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.680 with Sean McBride where he was it was the Slave 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:33.239 of Lincoln and that was the TV show that they made, 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:36.040 and they had picked that up and he was just like, 0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:38.040 he said, yeah, you know, we shouldn't have done that. 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:40.279 He's like, but he said, don't worry about it. You 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.840 know we got you. You covered boom And I was like, 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:46.239 I bet so. So now we're going to shoot. So 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:49.880 then here comes the subject about the creative buy. So 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:55.520 the guild recognizes who put pen to paper or a 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:58.719 finger to keyboard. It ain't about who said, hey I 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:03.280 I I created it. When I see people young writers 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.960 or people they send something or they put something up 0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:09.960 like yeah, created by means nothing until you go through 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:13.880 the WGA register it. You do that and then you 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:18.560 registered through is it the Library of Congress one of 0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:21.320 those other ones out of the register. It there the 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.640 Library of Congress. But it's another form that you can 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.799 copyright it. That is when it's copyright And even then 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.359 I for writer comes in, they're going to add their 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:40.680 sauce to it. So together or separately you can agree say, okay, 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.560 you brought this in, we've created it together, or listen, 0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:46.960 I created this, Okay, you wrote this off of my creation, 0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:50.120 and it's going to stay my creation. I didn't know 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:51.920 any of that, and then my attorney at the time 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:54.160 was like, yeah, you didn't have it registered. I was like, 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.440 I didn't know I had to. I had no idea. 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:58.960 I just had an idea, you know what I mean, 0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:02.560 And that that's the difference of you know, a couple 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:06.800 of meal on that back end, you know. But Paramount 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:09.160 tried to make it right and as far as reflecting 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:10.520 in points, but it was never going to be what 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:14.800 a creator gets and a creator that just it follows you, 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:18.800 you know, you know, it can help other other jobs. 0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:20.879 So it was a hurdle we had to get over. 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:24.200 So if you had to do it over again, would 0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:28.720 you have would you have written the script the pilot yourself? 0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:33.719 At that time, I was not right and I would 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.320 have read, you would have registered it, put it in 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:42.400 the best form I could into a treatment, you know, 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:45.640 one sheet or whatever, because at least had I had that, 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:48.319 they would be like, oh, he already had that there, 0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:51.040 So this is a creation based off that, because back 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:55.960 then you could still you would get uh created by 0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:59.040 based created based on the concept, based on the concept, 0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:01.239 you know what. They were still doing that, but they've 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:04.440 killed that credit. I would have done that, and I 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.759 would have had a different conversation with the showrunner that 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.200 I chose because I hired the showrunner. I brought the 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:11.600 showrunner and I said, this is who I want, you 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:13.200 know what I mean. I would have had a different 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:17.160 conversation or I would have because at the time, it 0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:20.239 was like we already in motion, wheels in motion, and 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:22.800 I could either be like, you know, man, you know, 0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.920 piss a bitch, and I ain't doing none of this. 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:29.400 Stop the train from it. You've got a hundred some people, 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:33.840 you know, depending on you to work, just like, all right, man, 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.759 let's just let's just do it. And but you know, 0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:41.920 that was the only kind of thing that stung. But 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:43.960 we you know, went on to do great and at 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:47.120 the end of the day, you know we needed each other, 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:51.160 you know, showrunner myself, we needed each other. You know, 0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:54.759 I found Kylo. I didn't discover her, but I saw 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:58.000 her on a commercial, a Nike commercial, and they were 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.640 playing the Little Rascals music. She act like the cute 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:03.480 little girl and said, oh you Lisa Leslie, Oh you know, 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:05.560 I'm such a big fan. Can have you autograb And 0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:07.480 she goes, sure, a little girl. She's like, well, you 0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:11.440 need to rebound better. And that's why I saw her. 0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:14.759 I was like, that's gotta be my daughter. And we 0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:17.560 reached out and sat down, had a meeting. We shot 0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:21.400 the pilot pilot. Kyla was I think twelve or thirteen 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:24.560 man by the time we went to series. I think 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:27.160 she was fifteen by the time we shot the first 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:30.640 first season. But yeah, I would That's the only thing 0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:33.040 I would have done different. But you know, I had 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:35.200 a great time, one of the you know, the best 0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:41.520 times in my life. Seas. We did six one hundred 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:45.360 something seventeen episodes, so syndication in the whole thing. Yeah, 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:47.520 but it was really i'd say five and a half 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:49.800 because you know, they tried, they wanted to go a 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:53.040 different direction and do some different things and I was like, well, no, 0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:55.200 I don't want to do that. So it was just 0:57:55.320 --> 0:57:58.680 an impasse where Okay, I'll agree to come back and 0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:01.480 do this is my shows, and then you know, and 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:04.560 then y'all move on. And that's what we did, because 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:06.360 how does that go and how does that work? 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.760 If it's something that I mean, obviously, you gave us 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:14.800 the breakdown of the whole creative buy thing. I know 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:17.080 about the you told us about the money that may 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:18.440 have been missed or not even made that but that 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:20.560 was missed out by you not doing it that way. 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:27.440 But did that ultimately give them the power to restructure 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:27.919 your show? 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:30.680 No, they've always had. I mean, listen to the studio 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:34.080 has the power they give. They're giving them money no 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:35.360 matter what we like to think. 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:36.200 You know what I mean. 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.000 If you look at the history of anybody that tried 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:41.760 to show out and they except that we can't canceling 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:44.200 the show, you know what I mean. So it's just 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:46.480 about I wouldn't say playing a game, but just knowing 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:50.880 when the picket battles and all that stuff. But listen, 0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:55.640 they gave me, afforded me a life that you know, 0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:59.880 ten years prior I didn't have, so I'm grateful for that, 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:01.840 you know what I mean. And you're gonna have those 0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:05.800 bumps and you're gonna have those bruises, but all of 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:08.400 those things that are to teach you, you know the 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:10.720 next go round that you know better. So now I 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:14.280 know better. I'm like, I know, before I even pitch anything, 0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:19.360 say anything, I'm going right to guild here boom, regis 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:22.080 every which way I can, and then we're gonna talk, 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:24.920 you know what I mean. Because it gets dicey, and 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:27.720 people get people get funky. You can see people forget, 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:30.760 people forget and forget. You can sit and have a conversation, Oh, 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.080 we're gonna do this, oh yeah, and then something happens 0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:35.680 that all changes. Yeah, and you talk to my lawyer. 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:37.880 Now it's like, oh, oh we had an agreement. It 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:40.120 all changes. Friends or no friends. 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:40.440 It is. 0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:43.840 It is. It is one of the one of the 0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:48.520 stickiest places to be when you get into a situation 0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:53.160 like that, especially if it's friends or people that your 0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:55.880 your peers, you know, because it's always about who did what. 0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:59.360 It's like, let's just do it together, like myself, Chris 0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:02.040 and Buddy, we have a project now, Like we get 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:04.760 it together. You know what I mean, and you know, 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:07.800 I will always be like, hey man, they're stronger than 1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:10.560 me in this area. I have a strength in this area, 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:13.160 and we just put it together. But you know, people 1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:16.040 are putting time in it and helping you. That's that's 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:18.920 that's a different thing, are you. 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:23.760 I mean I think you're you're probably up financially in 1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:25.840 a good space. When you guys come to this impasse 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:27.600 and they're like, well, we're going to do something different. 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:32.000 You know, you're doing pretty well for yourself and now 1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:34.800 you're saying, what's my next move again? 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:43.480 Yeah? Yeah, I am, you know out and you know, 1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:46.040 you take some gigs here and there. You know, I 1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:50.360 chilled a little bit, you know, just home and really 1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:52.160 just trying to trying to trying to figure it out. 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:56.280 Then I get a call from my agent. It's like, 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:59.320 hey man, uh, you're not going to believe me. I'm like, 1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:02.320 well what it was like, Yeah, so they're doing this 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:15.800 Michael Jackson movie. Let me go and get it out. 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:20.640 It is going to get this out. Get this call 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:25.919 this Michael Jackson movie. And I'm like, okay, cool, who's 1:01:25.960 --> 1:01:27.320 in it. It's like they want to meet with you. 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:30.840 I'm like, they said who's in. I'm like, like, what 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:33.880 they can't they want to beat other pH one, you know, 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:36.280 Santa Monica. I'm like, I'm like, okay, they want you 1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:39.160 to meet with the director producer. I'm like, okay, cool, 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:42.760 al right, I'll go take a meeting. Go sit down. 1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:44.840 I don't see nobody else there. It's not like I'm 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:49.360 not reading nothing. It's like I'm just like sitting there. 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:52.160 And the director is like, he's very earthy, like we 1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:54.640 want to do you know. This is we're not trying to, 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:56.960 you know, to fame him. This is you know, we love. 1:01:57.040 --> 1:01:59.360 We want to put energy in. And I was like, okay, 1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:04.040 cools energy cool. They just asked me questions about him, 1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:06.680 how I felt. I was like, come on, I met 1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:10.800 him once. Super cool. I'm like yeah, like and that's it. 1:02:11.080 --> 1:02:15.360 Just had a conversation. I leave. I think about a 1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:17.920 week later they called and they was like, yeah, they 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:20.400 want to make you offer. I was like, come off 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:23.600 of that conversation. Just off of that conversation, just off 1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:25.920 of that, I'm like, I was like, come on, man, 1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:29.280 you like they know I'm six four, right, Like I 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:32.680 can't like how they want to make an offer. And 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:34.360 I'm like then I find out, I'm like, who else 1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:37.880 were they talking to? This would have even been really funny. 1:02:38.480 --> 1:02:43.440 I think Hill Harper was on their ring. Shout out 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:49.120 to Hill's go Senator. He may not even know that, 1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:52.640 but I guess they were thinking about him at the time. Yes, yes, 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:57.640 what yes. So I'm like okay, and I'm like, all right, 1:02:57.760 --> 1:03:00.720 well whatever, you know, negotiate whatever. Clearly think we all 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:03.040 look like yeah. And they came back with the number 1:03:03.040 --> 1:03:08.000 and I was like, yeah, I'll do it, I'll do it. 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:10.960 Tell us what that never was? Brother, I know you 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:13.360 can't tell us keep that lock. Yeah, it was good. 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:16.240 It was enough for him to do it. It was 1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:19.240 a great number. Overlooked everything much what it costs for 1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:23.920 you to play Michael Jackson tap but no. But but 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:27.880 you know what, you gotta understand. It wasn't now, it's 1:03:27.960 --> 1:03:33.520 not about yeah. But I'm looking and I'm saying, this 1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:35.840 is before so this is and when they pitched the 1:03:35.880 --> 1:03:38.640 story and they're sitting there telling me, once I agree 1:03:38.640 --> 1:03:41.520 to do it, that like we're gonna we have, we 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:44.000 got the songs, we're gonna be doing big performances, we 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:47.920 got the rights to the song. I'm like okay. I'm like, okay, 1:03:48.040 --> 1:03:49.840 it wasn't just about what you could buy. It wasn't 1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:52.200 about that at that point, it's like you really can 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:54.040 do something. I'm like, oh, man, we said, we gotta. 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:56.280 He said, I have this performance. You do a man 1:03:56.360 --> 1:03:58.760 in the mirror. I was like, okay, I'm gonna kill it. 1:03:59.080 --> 1:04:00.880 And they took you back to your day today, all 1:04:00.960 --> 1:04:04.000 of that stuff and the love that I have for Michael, 1:04:04.040 --> 1:04:05.360 you know what I mean. I was just like, oh, 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:07.960 bat boom, So we go do it. I should have 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:11.680 known first day walking in the makeup trailer and I said, 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:13.840 I see the rubber nose sitting there, and I'm just like, yeah, 1:04:13.840 --> 1:04:16.120 I'm not putting that on. Like, I'm not doing that. 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:20.080 I'm not gonna make a caricature. Yeah. So I didn't 1:04:20.080 --> 1:04:21.720 put the nose on. But then they came out with 1:04:21.840 --> 1:04:25.560 the dog on the airbrush with the ashy airbrush powder 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:28.640 and they put it on. I was like, I was like, 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:30.640 y'all know I look ashy, right, Oh no, to'll be 1:04:30.680 --> 1:04:35.840 fun like all right, and then we start shooting. We're 1:04:35.840 --> 1:04:40.720 shooting with the intent of delivering something really good, which 1:04:41.080 --> 1:04:44.800 at the time for the time because guess this check 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:47.240 us out. It air on BH one, nobody had nothing 1:04:47.240 --> 1:04:50.240 negative to say. If this air on b ask me 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:56.520 you were probably younger. You were probably Oh my listen, listen, 1:04:56.720 --> 1:05:00.600 I'm tough dude. It aired, people say, oh man, you 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:02.560 did a great job. I mean I even even I 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:04.960 mean sitting with La Toya talking to her and she 1:05:05.240 --> 1:05:07.480 she knew production value was crap, but she was just like, 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:10.760 we appreciate you really, you know, trying to really channel 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:12.280 the one thing. People just say, it's like, yo, you 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:17.040 really you know, channeled him just the kindness and all 1:05:17.080 --> 1:05:19.280 that stuff to make up because make it was horrible. 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:25.160 But you're gonna because that's my biggest issue. 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:28.680 Yeah, yeah, that was that was bad. It was was 1:05:28.760 --> 1:05:30.920 it chalk. It was some air brush. It was in 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:34.480 an airbrush. That's all. I know. That every morning one. 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:38.600 Scene, well you had all all white and he was 1:05:38.720 --> 1:05:42.439 matching your shirt. I know, man, And I said, ain't 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:44.400 no way, Yeah, it ain't no way. 1:05:44.520 --> 1:05:46.600 It looked like they took me and they rolled me 1:05:46.760 --> 1:05:58.520 and powdered donuts and just like and action. What's the 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:05.880 time right now? What's the day? Oh my god, listen, man, 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:07.840 I thought I was safe. 1:06:07.840 --> 1:06:15.160 When did any point during the shooting, At any point 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:16.240 did you look at yourself? 1:06:17.880 --> 1:06:22.160 There was no points, no point except for the makeup. 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:23.840 I was like, man, they gotta do this better. But 1:06:23.920 --> 1:06:26.520 at no point did I think because again this was 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:31.000 before social media, so there was no opinions to base anything. 1:06:31.360 --> 1:06:34.400 I thought. I was clear, they ate this man so 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:38.160 much money. They ain't no way. You didn't walk by 1:06:38.200 --> 1:06:41.400 that mirror and go oh hell no. I was just 1:06:41.600 --> 1:06:45.080 like yo, man. And then when people hit me up, 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:48.480 and initially I was like, initially I was getting offended, 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:52.480 like I got a family, But then I was like, 1:06:52.520 --> 1:06:54.560 you know what where he was getting offended at first 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:57.120 when it because when social media started, and then when 1:06:57.560 --> 1:07:00.280 people would see it or it would came on, or 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:02.200 they would hit me. Oh they would hit me. I 1:07:02.240 --> 1:07:07.760 would get tagged. We ain't never gonna forgive you, never forget, 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:13.560 never forget that you should never oh my god. And 1:07:13.600 --> 1:07:15.560 then I would be going back when and then I 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:17.680 was like, man, I got to learn to laugh at myself. 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:20.360 And when I looked at that com I was like 1:07:20.560 --> 1:07:23.040 this was initially, but then I was like, so people 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:24.800 hit me, I'm like, man, you all right? I was 1:07:24.880 --> 1:07:26.800 asked you I don't know what I was thinking. And 1:07:27.080 --> 1:07:29.840 you know some of our responses. Somebody said something about 1:07:30.040 --> 1:07:33.920 uh uh I posted something and they were like, yeah, 1:07:33.920 --> 1:07:37.240 you need to post uh a piece of that terrible 1:07:37.280 --> 1:07:39.760 Michael Jacks movie there. I said, I'll post the check stuff. 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:42.640 How about that? You know? But then I was like, no, 1:07:42.720 --> 1:07:46.280 I don't do that, don't do that. But I just 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:48.880 have fun with it. Now it's it's it's always around 1:07:48.920 --> 1:07:53.480 his birthday. I know yearly when it's coming. So I 1:07:53.600 --> 1:07:55.520 get ready and just sit there and just let me 1:07:55.640 --> 1:07:57.240 take it. And now that they did the movie and 1:07:57.320 --> 1:07:59.880 that's coming out, I know that they're gonna play get 1:07:59.880 --> 1:08:03.360 the movie. They did it, yes, with your Jamaine Son 1:08:03.800 --> 1:08:08.880 and Answer Food Couad directed. It is an amazing they 1:08:09.880 --> 1:08:12.560 that was They did it right. And the thing is 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:15.160 even in that somebody's gonna have a problem with it. 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:18.760 Of course, sure of course sure, but it's not gonna 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:20.880 be what I did. This is how. 1:08:22.439 --> 1:08:25.000 Our friendship is the reason why I've never posted it. 1:08:25.280 --> 1:08:27.760 Oh but now that I know you cool with it, 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:30.920 I'm listen. You know how many people I know that 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:32.920 have posted that time? 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:35.880 I mean, like I get hit here as your friend, 1:08:37.479 --> 1:08:38.160 like you didn't do it. 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:48.639 What do you mean? I've never seen but it's so funny, man. 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:51.439 But you know what, I'm like, I can say that's a. 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:54.479 Great moment in you know, your love for music, your 1:08:54.560 --> 1:08:58.479 love for Michael. Like you're like, how you want to 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:00.479 turn that down? Like when you ask me like the 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:03.320 turned down Michael Jackson. I'm in my mind. I'm trying 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:05.360 to think of all the things I would just need 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:08.360 to do to get into that character too, and I'm 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:09.360 gonna try and do them. 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:13.960 Listen. I came home. I came home and I was 1:09:14.080 --> 1:09:16.360 still in character. We went to eat me and a 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:19.720 family and I was like, because everything was shaved. I 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:22.679 got to the house, I forgot the code to the alarm, 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:26.759 like I really was because I just watched hours hours. 1:09:27.400 --> 1:09:29.560 I'm like, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna go 1:09:29.600 --> 1:09:32.640 ahead and do it. And it was I submerged in 1:09:32.720 --> 1:09:35.679 that joint, yo, and it was who Yeah, it tat. 1:09:35.720 --> 1:09:37.639 It taught me a lot, man. I was just like, yeah, 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:40.240 I really gotta vet this thing out a little little 1:09:40.240 --> 1:09:42.160 a little better. But I mean, again, for my love 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:45.360 of music, love of him, like I had, I know, 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:49.360 there was talks of you know, Tyresee doing Teddy Panograss. 1:09:49.439 --> 1:09:53.439 I spoke to Teddy Panegrass years ago about I was 1:09:53.600 --> 1:09:58.080 submitted about playing Teddy Pentagram. This was years ago. Someone 1:09:58.160 --> 1:10:00.680 else had the rights at the time, and I knew them, 1:10:00.760 --> 1:10:02.280 and they called me and they put me on the 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:04.599 phone with him and saw my picture. It was like, oh, 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:07.479 Man pictures, great man. He said, yeah, we're gonna keep 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:09.360 you know, keep going. We're gonna figure this out. And 1:10:09.920 --> 1:10:13.040 you know, obviously he passed. But you know, I've tried 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:14.880 to get the rights to Sam Cook at one point, 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:18.320 but the the guy who owned it, who swindled him 1:10:18.320 --> 1:10:21.600 out of his his rights to his music, owns the 1:10:21.680 --> 1:10:23.840 music and won't let anybody. That's what if you notice, 1:10:24.120 --> 1:10:28.879 the only person who ever had the original uh rendition 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:33.719 of Change Gonna Come is Spike Lee in X nobody 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:36.320 else and Ali was our Green singing it. They did 1:10:36.360 --> 1:10:39.680 a ready remake of it, but they won't let that 1:10:39.800 --> 1:10:42.040 music go. And I'm like, you can't do a Sam 1:10:42.120 --> 1:10:46.080 Cook movie without the music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:48.640 some people I've I've tried, and you know, I just 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:55.160 I don't know, just they just Michael got me. I 1:10:55.240 --> 1:10:58.960 love Michael Man love. Man, there's such such a it 1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:00.200 was such an amazing it. 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:00.439 Man. 1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:04.799 God, just he would come in, introduce himself to everybody 1:11:04.840 --> 1:11:08.479 and everybody's name. Just it's an amazing, amazing, amazing person. 1:11:09.040 --> 1:11:13.600 What does that lead to? After Michael Jackson? Uh? That, 1:11:14.320 --> 1:11:18.360 after that, God, it was, that's when the what do 1:11:18.400 --> 1:11:22.759 you call it? Hit? The two thousand and eight financial 1:11:22.840 --> 1:11:27.439 collapse hit. It was I had had we got property, 1:11:27.520 --> 1:11:30.880 we bought property in Vegas, and you know, I'm stacking up, like, yeah, 1:11:30.960 --> 1:11:33.559 you know, I want to pass this down. Bottom fell 1:11:33.600 --> 1:11:36.320 out everything. I should have let it go, but I'm 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:38.800 pulling from savings trying to keep it. Got to I 1:11:38.880 --> 1:11:43.240 had a twelve unit little building and four single family 1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:46.280 homes and everybody like it was. It was bad. So 1:11:46.360 --> 1:11:48.680 I'm pulling money trying to keep it going because I 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:50.840 want to pass this down and I should have let 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:54.320 it go. And that's what led to us, you know, 1:11:54.760 --> 1:11:59.080 doing the show on own talking about it. Yeah, talking 1:11:59.120 --> 1:12:01.360 about what we what we went through. And because I 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:03.680 didn't want to do reality, and so the only way 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:05.479 I would do is if we had something to talk about. 1:12:05.560 --> 1:12:08.680 And you know, Wifey, she loves reality. She just want 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:10.479 to do reality. Show. I wanted to the reality show. 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:12.240 And then I said, listen, if we're going to do it, 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:14.519 we got to tell the story because I don't want 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:17.360 blogs and it's coming out telling our story. We're going 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:21.720 to tell you know, how everything happened. And we did, 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:25.040 and for the most part, it was super positive. We 1:12:25.200 --> 1:12:28.320 had so many people who were thankful in this industry, 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:32.519 and we both know that came to me on the side, Yo, man, 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:34.320 I was living in my car or Yo, man, I 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:36.840 don't know how you spoke out, but thank you and 1:12:37.000 --> 1:12:39.320 you know that gave me the confidence and you know, 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:42.760 and I'm just like, that's the reason, if anything, that 1:12:43.000 --> 1:12:44.880 was the reason to do it for those people. We 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:48.320 had a couple that reached out and they told us 1:12:48.439 --> 1:12:53.479 that they told my wife that they lost everything, had kids, 1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:56.240 all that, and they were planning to mit suicide and 1:12:56.280 --> 1:12:58.160 they were writing a letter and they were going to 1:12:58.280 --> 1:13:01.479 leave the kids with her parents. They saw our show 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:05.479 that both were They saw our show and said, hey, 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:08.200 we saw that you guys can make it, and they 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:12.080 just didn't do it and turn and turned things around 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:15.360 and thrive. And I wonder where that couple is now. 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:16.960 I hope, you know, I know they were still going. 1:13:17.439 --> 1:13:20.400 But that that for me was was everything, you know, 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:24.880 and that was everything. So going through that, after Michael Jackson, 1:13:25.200 --> 1:13:29.120 after that the financial collapse, everything changed, the business changed, 1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:31.800 and then it just became you know, doing a TV 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:34.600 movie here or doing to reoccur here, and you know 1:13:34.600 --> 1:13:37.720 I would do Gray's Anatomy I did. I had a 1:13:37.800 --> 1:13:40.360 bunch of stuff. Man, I've done a whole bunch of 1:13:40.360 --> 1:13:43.439 stuff that people forget, you know what I mean. And 1:13:45.240 --> 1:13:48.040 I was able to just continue sustain and then you know, 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:52.280 Wifey started performing more again, and and we just kept going. Man, 1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:56.960 we just we just kept going. And people think, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:13:57.000 --> 1:13:59.080 you got black Ball, and I'm like, no, I'm still 1:13:59.160 --> 1:14:03.200 working black Ball for playing Michael Jackson, like really, like 1:14:03.439 --> 1:14:07.200 it didn't make no sense, but that just, you know, 1:14:07.360 --> 1:14:10.120 I led into I had another deal, create another show. 1:14:11.080 --> 1:14:13.240 It didn't happen, but I had a deal on the table. 1:14:13.479 --> 1:14:16.280 But I just kept going. I just kept going, kept going. 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:18.599 That's all I know how to do. You know, even 1:14:18.640 --> 1:14:20.400 in the tough times like right now, you know, so 1:14:20.479 --> 1:14:23.080 many people going through it and still trying to front. 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:26.920 I'm like, yo, everybody getting hit hard, everyone, and this 1:14:27.080 --> 1:14:30.280 is the time where you just have to shift and 1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:32.840 figure things out do other things as well. I don't 1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:36.200 think it's anything wrong wrong with that. I've been, you know, 1:14:36.360 --> 1:14:40.120 heavy into studying government contracting, and you know, I'm looking 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:42.280 at the percentages of millionaires that come out of there, 1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:44.840 and I'm like, okay, all right, we're gonna learn that's 1:14:44.880 --> 1:14:48.160 something else, you know what I mean? Because as much 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:51.599 as I love this, I know I can't sit and wait. 1:14:52.120 --> 1:14:54.639 And even if you reach out to people, those people 1:14:54.680 --> 1:14:57.400 are waiting. You know, they're not in a position to 1:14:57.520 --> 1:15:00.160 do anything. And I'm talking about black, white everything. I 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:03.040 got a couple of white friends, just producers. They got 1:15:03.160 --> 1:15:06.439 shows packaged with some names, and they can't sell them. 1:15:07.280 --> 1:15:08.840 So that just tells you where we are. I'm like, 1:15:08.920 --> 1:15:11.200 what do they know? Why is everybody on hole right now? 1:15:11.320 --> 1:15:13.559 What do they know? I don't know if it's the election, 1:15:13.760 --> 1:15:16.280 I don't know what it is. But it's a weird time. 1:15:16.640 --> 1:15:18.519 And it's not saying that you can't get things done, 1:15:19.080 --> 1:15:21.680 but I just think it's we're in the time now 1:15:21.760 --> 1:15:25.400 that you have to really dig deep and and and 1:15:25.800 --> 1:15:29.760 and understand that you know, just one way is not 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:32.400 the way anymore. Like you said earlier, you know, for 1:15:32.560 --> 1:15:35.080 you know, hit record, right, and it's like, okay, publishing company, Okay, 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:37.439 get some artists, let me do. It's that same thing 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:41.840 you yes, putting all these numbers, all of that stuff. 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:44.320 You have to do. It almost like the three card mindset. 1:15:44.360 --> 1:15:47.519 You got to you have to. And that's one thing 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:52.320 I will never never stop doing, you know, because it's 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:54.880 just it's just I don't know, man, I love it. 1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:57.599 I'm fell in love with getting on stage again, back 1:15:57.680 --> 1:15:59.880 doing stand up, and I just fell in love with 1:15:59.920 --> 1:16:03.720 it more this time because now I've lived life and 1:16:03.840 --> 1:16:05.920 now I have stuff to talk about, you know what 1:16:06.000 --> 1:16:08.720 I mean. The journey is you know, my wife and 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:10.560 I went through our kids, what we went through, and 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:15.479 you know, and what she's come through and with this 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:19.240 cancer thing, and I mean it's all other shit don't 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:22.760 mean nothing to me. So I don't people can oh 1:16:23.320 --> 1:16:26.120 you did this, it's like okay, cool, it's funny. Yeah, 1:16:26.120 --> 1:16:28.320 but you know, at the end of the day, ma'am 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:32.040 still here. You know, we're still here, and that for 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:34.760 me is everything. This is all I ever wanted to do. 1:16:35.400 --> 1:16:37.400 So you know what I mean, this is what it's 1:16:37.600 --> 1:16:39.840 I mean, I'm telling you like this. This is all 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:42.000 I ever wanted to do. Man. I love it, not 1:16:42.200 --> 1:16:44.639 for the other stuff, but just to when I get 1:16:44.680 --> 1:16:47.200 on stage. Man, I'm telling my story. I got your attention. 1:16:47.880 --> 1:16:49.680 You know, you paid your money to come see me. 1:16:50.600 --> 1:16:53.439 I'm like, yoh, man, it's like you're doing a concert 1:16:53.840 --> 1:16:55.800 and Nadia and you're taking your time on a song 1:16:56.360 --> 1:16:59.439 and they're like, I'll tell you that. You know, you know, 1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:02.600 it's the same feeling, you know. I think when I 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:04.800 was younger, it was different. When I was younger, I 1:17:04.880 --> 1:17:06.639 was like, yeah, I get that bread. You know, people 1:17:06.720 --> 1:17:08.920 know me. You know, it's still humble. But I think 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:11.439 now it's the love is kicked in because at fifty 1:17:11.479 --> 1:17:15.680 four is different. Fifty four fifty four, yes, sir, yes, sir, 1:17:16.240 --> 1:17:19.560 it's me. I believe you don't hope no more. I 1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:21.320 see him. I do the same thing to him. I said, Bro, 1:17:21.720 --> 1:17:25.000 you know, no hold with us, no here you text 1:17:25.080 --> 1:17:27.120 me A couple of times, I said, Jay, let me 1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:33.479 just let you know it's not happening. It's not legs, no. No. 1:17:33.680 --> 1:17:35.800 The last time I thunk I was what forty six, 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:38.760 and then I was doing a celebrity game in Indianapolis 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:40.640 and next year I went, I went to go up. 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:43.640 It was just gone, just gone. I say, you know what, 1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:47.680 I'm good. Everybody I know my age or in our 1:17:47.720 --> 1:17:50.720 age is popping achilles. I'm like, look, thank you don't 1:17:50.800 --> 1:17:52.439 need that. Don't nobody needs that. 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:58.680 See super legs over here. He did a meniscus. I 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:03.680 told a a C and you still that the same leg, 1:18:03.800 --> 1:18:07.120 didn't need surgery, didn't do surgery, just did all. 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:12.280 Rehab and still going. I love it. I love it. 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:16.800 I stopped because of that, yes, I said, And then 1:18:16.880 --> 1:18:19.560 I came back like wait, wait where you at to that? 1:18:20.040 --> 1:18:28.639 Yeah? I run No, No, I can't. I can't find 1:18:28.680 --> 1:18:31.880 any enjoyment of anything else the same way. Really, I 1:18:31.960 --> 1:18:34.840 think like within your journey, bro, you know. 1:18:37.400 --> 1:18:41.599 You from a talent standpoint, a gift standpoint, like you've 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:49.280 accomplished some some really incredible things. But that piece where 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:55.200 you and your wife share your share your life with 1:18:55.280 --> 1:19:00.519 the world, Yeah, that positive way that is like that 1:19:00.760 --> 1:19:03.720 is the gold Man. And even when I just used 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:06.640 to used to see y'all two together. You know what 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:12.120 I'm saying, it's like a it's smiling. It's a different 1:19:12.320 --> 1:19:15.640 kind of energy, like it's like, oh yeah, that's that. 1:19:16.240 --> 1:19:19.400 That's the Lord's work right there. It's like it's like 1:19:19.920 --> 1:19:23.880 seeing two people that like, I don't know, like something 1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:28.880 else comes from that, something more inspirational, something deeper, just 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:31.240 from y'all standing there together, you know what I'm saying. 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:34.719 So I'm glad y'all were able to tell that story. 1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:38.920 And I know for a fact you've saved more people 1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:42.920 then you realize. Just your example, man, and just those smiles. 1:19:42.960 --> 1:19:44.519 So y'all walked in and she starts smiling. 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:49.240 Look at this man, she always smile. You married the 1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:54.160 R and B man. I don't know about saying. In 1:19:54.280 --> 1:19:58.160 my head, I know you are you listen, she will 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:02.639 tell you. In my mind, I'm singing. And the crazy 1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:04.439 thing is I'm singing all the time. She don't sing 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:08.440 around the house. I'm the one for your music. Everything 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:11.559 you listen, you're all kings. You don't sing off case. 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:16.920 She talked, She's like, I turned about that key. She's 1:20:17.640 --> 1:20:21.479 off my note, off my note, off my note. She'll 1:20:21.520 --> 1:20:25.240 purposely come in. She'll get me a note like no, no, no, no, 1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:28.479 off my note. Yeah yeah yeah, your melody. 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:33.920 Guys, understand that melody. A solo guy, just think tune 1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:37.800 now you know what I mean. Listen a whole nother career. Hey, 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:39.400 pivot in his whole time. 1:20:39.520 --> 1:20:42.800 You never know, you never know. I was in the group. 1:20:42.880 --> 1:20:46.519 Once I got I got kicked out, but I was 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:49.160 there for for a minute. It was an R and 1:20:49.200 --> 1:20:50.960 B group. I was a rapp R and B group 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:56.479 called jim Wait wait what woy wait wait wait before 1:20:56.560 --> 1:20:58.920 you before you go ahead and start playing. Yeah, we 1:20:59.200 --> 1:21:04.920 need to know about shot like like like like French 1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:08.840 for I love you shot him? Okay, hallm I thought 1:21:08.840 --> 1:21:13.200 it was like French timbling both my R and B. 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:18.000 It was my boy, my boy, Michael Harrison shout out 1:21:18.040 --> 1:21:21.839 to Michael Harrison in Harlem. He was up in this apartment. 1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:24.880 I think that the least things of Spanish. Dude named Jimmy, 1:21:24.880 --> 1:21:29.200 and there was another guy and nobody was French though No, okay, okay, 1:21:29.320 --> 1:21:31.200 she was trying to do something different. So we up 1:21:31.240 --> 1:21:35.920 in there. I mean we harmonizing. And are you really harmonized? 1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:39.439 I thought I was until I got to notice Jimmy's 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:43.840 until I got to notice, Yeah, you might want to 1:21:43.840 --> 1:21:47.599 go ahead do this dancing thing because you yeah, we're 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:50.720 not going to be your services. But I knew it though. 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:53.160 I knew this was something I had come to terms 1:21:53.200 --> 1:21:55.600 with and I knew this is not my calling. And 1:21:55.680 --> 1:21:57.720 look who got to play Michael Jackson look at that 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:17.400 and not none of yeah would kicked me out. 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:20.840 For this. 1:22:21.920 --> 1:22:23.920 I think. I think I had two rehearsals and I 1:22:24.120 --> 1:22:30.120 was gone. But that's how much I love music. We 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:33.599 just went to the fool and fool and love Uh 1:22:34.080 --> 1:22:39.479 festival that they had out by so far, Gladys Knight, Ross, 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:46.760 line of Richie Santana, the whispers, I mean every I 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:49.240 loved it. It was. We all went out even know 1:22:49.320 --> 1:22:49.880 that was happening. 1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:50.640 Oh it was. 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:54.360 It was a little loun organized as far as getting 1:22:54.439 --> 1:22:58.280 in part, but I can a plus on putting together 1:22:58.360 --> 1:23:00.840 a lineup in The stages were like the cross So 1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:04.800 when one artist was performing, artists was over here setting up. 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:07.040 As soon as they finished, they was on and it 1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:07.920 just went like that. 1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:08.960 It was. 1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:12.040 It was so dope and seeing all of them performing, 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:16.600 seeing Eddie up this mean and walk to it, and 1:23:16.880 --> 1:23:20.800 people won't get Walter enough credit Walter Walter, Yeah, Walter 1:23:20.880 --> 1:23:25.080 cold blooded. I mean it was. And we left. Lionel 1:23:25.920 --> 1:23:29.799 had started. He just started off man with being alone. 1:23:29.960 --> 1:23:32.360 He started off with Hello. I was like, Yo, how 1:23:32.400 --> 1:23:37.240 are you gonna start with Hello? Catalog? He got that 1:23:37.400 --> 1:23:40.519 many hit speaking of his let's talk about Nle Rogers. 1:23:40.640 --> 1:23:44.040 He got there and I did. I didn't know he 1:23:44.120 --> 1:23:46.519 did his catalog. He said, y'all might know this one. 1:23:47.240 --> 1:23:48.400 I was like like that. 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:49.280 I'm like what. 1:23:51.160 --> 1:23:51.519 That was? 1:23:52.000 --> 1:23:54.880 If you can get there next year. It was that 1:23:55.160 --> 1:23:59.600 right outside of so far in between and the forum outside. 1:24:00.120 --> 1:24:03.000 It was amazing. That's what I love how much I 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:06.240 I'm always playing music in my car is the R 1:24:06.280 --> 1:24:08.880 and B and Wifey's car. She's playing and drop it 1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:11.840 like it's hot. She might be playing Sexy Red, she 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:16.720 might be playing my booty whole Brown. She might be 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:26.920 playing just know what you think? What you think? She smiling, smile, 1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:30.120 and she is dropping it. I mean she's at the party. 1:24:31.040 --> 1:24:36.640 Oh my god, she she is trade up gangsters need 1:24:36.720 --> 1:24:42.400 to balance with all the Shenanigans. I listening to Awfulish. 1:24:42.439 --> 1:24:45.880 I love it, man. I mean going from shoot Bar 1:24:46.120 --> 1:24:53.040 Skags to you know, Bobby Carwell to you Yeah, everything, man, 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:55.920 I just love all of it. That is not flex 1:24:56.080 --> 1:25:01.479 is your top five R n B s Okay, So 1:25:02.800 --> 1:25:06.840 what do we say here because again, we've talked about 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:09.920 We've talked about Michael and I know they said, oh, 1:25:10.040 --> 1:25:13.280 king of Pop, but Mike was so R and B 1:25:13.880 --> 1:25:20.479 and for me, he is definitely there. And Jay listen 1:25:22.040 --> 1:25:29.080 off the walk, man, listen, I can't help it. Come on, okay, Luther, 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:34.120 come on, get some armies in the French accent. That's okay, 1:25:37.400 --> 1:25:43.960 gotta have Luther. Uh. Oh my gosh, Jeffrey Osborne, come on, jail. 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:49.200 Oh gosh, putting there. I gotta put Gladys Knight. Yeah, 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:54.800 and there, gotta put Gladys Knight's incredible voice, my soul. God, 1:25:55.240 --> 1:26:02.280 have to gosh more m you got it, Shaka Khan 1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:09.280 shot check corn. Yeah, I just saw her. 1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:13.200 Yeah, she's still out there with the with the fit on, 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:16.679 with the hair blown hitting all the nose. 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:21.920 Just saw her. She she it's so hard, because how 1:26:21.920 --> 1:26:25.720 can you forget Whitney? Like it's so hard? Man, come on, 1:26:26.040 --> 1:26:34.160 sing the remix. Okay, so there we go. Okay, we 1:26:34.280 --> 1:26:39.080 got Whitney. So that's what. That's sick. That's sick. That's 1:26:39.640 --> 1:26:43.640 I gotta stop, Okay, I don't. I don't want you 1:26:43.840 --> 1:26:49.120 to veer off of your you know your ahead. Come 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:54.400 on give us. Oh my gosh, said Whitney. Whitney definitely 1:26:54.400 --> 1:27:03.639 got the voice, the voice always I and I'm partial. 1:27:04.960 --> 1:27:07.880 I have to put my wife in there. I was going, 1:27:08.479 --> 1:27:11.160 I was going to, I'm just trying to you want 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:14.760 to stab something? Absolutely is the turn up. You're not 1:27:14.840 --> 1:27:18.599 playing them and you talk about someone who's still who 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:21.960 sounds probably even better now. And I told her this, 1:27:22.439 --> 1:27:24.599 after all you've been through, so you sound better now 1:27:26.280 --> 1:27:28.400 then you did back then, and you sound great, but 1:27:29.160 --> 1:27:32.719 you you've lived life. It's a different type of richness. 1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:34.000 That richness. 1:27:35.360 --> 1:27:35.400 Is. 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:38.280 It's just different. The last show, she just I was 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:41.400 just like yo, And of course, as you guys are 1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:43.360 are you sure I didn't? I didn't think I did 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:49.599 this right? Are you crazy? Yeah? Okay? One more, one more, 1:27:52.040 --> 1:27:58.280 Oldest ready yeah, Old's ready? Yeah? Oh yeah your name? 1:27:58.479 --> 1:28:04.080 He got a song called I Love words can say? Yeah? 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:06.800 Is that part of the top five RB song? Okay, 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:09.160 let's go to the top five R and B songs. 1:28:09.280 --> 1:28:18.560 Let's go, Okay, rock with you, Rock with you? Definitely, 1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:35.760 dang that's uh h h. You did the R and 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:38.479 B Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's one of us. You've been 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:45.519 watching y Yeah, people may not agree, but that damn 1:28:45.640 --> 1:28:48.720 cry for you by Jo you're talking to. I don't 1:28:48.840 --> 1:28:54.000 agree something cry in joy that I was in there too. 1:28:54.040 --> 1:28:55.479 I was in that group too. We're in the group. 1:28:56.640 --> 1:28:59.400 It's all of us. Yeah, I mean, yes, I was 1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:02.680 there too. Some people ain't gonna agree with you. We 1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:05.160 don't know, but i'mnna smack him. You God damn right, 1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:10.280 cry for you. Okay, so we got we got that. 1:29:12.320 --> 1:29:20.880 Uh gosh, it's not an original, but still that's the original, 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:24.080 was Dion Warwick. But the house is not at home. 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:35.160 House is not doommommmmm saving all my love for you. 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:42.479 Yeah, I like you're doing. 1:29:45.760 --> 1:29:49.240 Yeah. The singers in the songs, all of it. Okay, 1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:56.240 one more more, one more, oh gosh mm hmm zoom 1:29:56.439 --> 1:30:06.440 the Commodore's yeah yeah yeah that's a life reflection. Yeah 1:30:07.760 --> 1:30:13.400 maybe just the foodless dreamer. Come on, but I don't 1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:20.200 care what's because I know my happiness is waiting for 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:29.439 me somewhere, searching for the silver lining. I mean, yeah, 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:34.120 that's it for me. This this man knows. 1:30:34.439 --> 1:30:38.360 This man knows importantly, he knows how to talk to 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:45.360 a woman. Yeah, m because that's where it starts. Yeah, yeah, 1:30:45.439 --> 1:30:47.120 when you're interested in a woman. 1:30:48.080 --> 1:30:50.679 Back in the day, we used to have slow jam tapes. 1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:54.160 You look for the first tape. Listen, you look for 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:56.479 the sonic when they came over. You hear play on 1:30:56.560 --> 1:31:01.240 that cassette to convey your message, to relay your instruction. 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:04.040 This is what I'm saying, this is, this is, this 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:08.040 is what we're doing. And you know your everything I do. 1:31:08.560 --> 1:31:17.320 Come on that shout out of camber. You are you 1:31:17.400 --> 1:31:23.479 and jealousy? Uh? I would be Casey because I'm just 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:28.880 all about the who. Yeah, just all about who. Yeah, couple, 1:31:28.960 --> 1:31:36.640 Come on, man, listen, man, listen Casey, Casey Killer. How 1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:40.479 could I not they talk about those dudes, I mean 1:31:40.720 --> 1:31:44.960 case like, just both of them, just the way they 1:31:45.360 --> 1:31:48.960 volley off each other. Man, and people understand the lyrics 1:31:49.000 --> 1:31:51.639 and and a lot of stuff, especially that first album, 1:31:52.240 --> 1:31:56.400 and they're known for the moms or open that's commission, 1:31:57.360 --> 1:31:59.760 That's commission, and just the fact that they threw that 1:31:59.880 --> 1:32:08.400 in there. Come real church board church womember you what 1:32:08.479 --> 1:32:11.759 do you mean in jos I'm a mixture of David 1:32:11.800 --> 1:32:27.640 and Davante. Yeah, I'm Davante. I'm okay. I like what 1:32:27.760 --> 1:32:31.519 you do. You cannot sleep on. Jojo cannot Jojo is 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:36.400 the is, the is the ultimate utility man. He does 1:32:36.479 --> 1:32:37.760 it all. 1:32:38.040 --> 1:32:41.679 There are two guys that made two of the most 1:32:41.720 --> 1:32:46.960 amazing groups work Jojo Haley Sean Stockman. 1:32:46.920 --> 1:32:52.040 Talk the talk. Wait a minute, those two, those two men, 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:56.560 those two men want to run dry? What what we 1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:59.439 don't even talk anymore? Talking about? And we don't even 1:32:59.560 --> 1:33:02.760 know what we argue about because that's usually by how 1:33:02.800 --> 1:33:09.120 I go? Don't you know more? Why do we hurt 1:33:09.200 --> 1:33:15.000 each other? Why do we push love away? Let's not 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:19.800 not wait until the water runs dry? With your tim 1:33:22.080 --> 1:33:24.519 and may get that group out of here. We're talking 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:26.880 about Jonesy and boys and minute you talking about your 1:33:27.040 --> 1:33:32.200 tem we cunning than champions. 1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:36.959 Think about those words. Let's wait till the water. 1:33:37.000 --> 1:33:41.679 Run Listen lyrics like come on man, I'm on, baby 1:33:41.840 --> 1:33:47.000 face prince? How did I forget? We're not gonna do this? 1:33:48.400 --> 1:33:49.599 Did we get all the songs out? 1:33:49.720 --> 1:33:54.080 Or stop? We stop? Okay? 1:34:01.640 --> 1:34:10.280 You? If they call you to play prints, you got 1:34:10.400 --> 1:34:11.679 to remind them I'm six. 1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:23.040 It's not come out doing this. I'm not I'm not you, 1:34:24.479 --> 1:34:33.800 I am something never COMPREHENDI oh my god, carry your 1:34:33.840 --> 1:34:38.160 bags every day? My God is so much great music. 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:40.519 Okay, okay, we're gonna make a vowl trying. I'm a 1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:43.280 super R and B artist, super R and B artists, 1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:46.559 and we're gonna take mixtures of all artists from from everywhere. 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:48.760 I want to know who you're gonna get the vocal from, 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:53.519 the performance style, the styling, and the heart of the artists, 1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:55.960 the passion of the artist. Who you're gonna get the vocal, 1:34:56.040 --> 1:34:58.320 the one vocal for your super R and B artists. 1:35:04.920 --> 1:35:09.240 I got. I have to put my wife there. Mm hmmm. 1:35:09.400 --> 1:35:13.880 I have to, yeah, yeah, because she's so underrated. I'm 1:35:13.920 --> 1:35:15.840 not going to argue with you. And she's so loo 1:35:16.280 --> 1:35:19.400 you get and was the catalyst for a lot of 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:22.840 these young girls starting I have. I have her and 1:35:22.960 --> 1:35:28.200 Tamiya in this space that I said. It's like it's 1:35:28.240 --> 1:35:32.600 called vocal. Yes, I mean, come on, you signed a 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:39.400 deal at eleven and singles their where It's like, okay, 1:35:39.479 --> 1:35:46.000 forget to me. God, it's so mad. She's performance style, 1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:59.720 performance style, performance style, Uh wow, m hm, got it. 1:35:59.760 --> 1:36:06.400 Throw Michael in there, Michael's voice, Michael moves, I lights 1:36:06.479 --> 1:36:14.080 some shop toaster. I want to toast it. Styling, styling 1:36:18.400 --> 1:36:28.840 would have to be like mm hmm, funky because that's thin, 1:36:29.400 --> 1:36:36.000 but then now styling easy. I would say it. I 1:36:36.080 --> 1:36:43.880 mean because in the height Whitney mm hmm Whitney, Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:46.040 because she could go with the jean and the motorcycle jacket, 1:36:46.080 --> 1:36:48.880 and she could throw the gown, the gown stand flat 1:36:48.920 --> 1:36:55.960 foot off the passion of the artist, the heart. Mm hmmm, Dan, 1:36:56.120 --> 1:36:59.920 can you do a double Michael singing to your gotcha? 1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:03.280 Here's I don't think it was anybody's passionate. He meant it, 1:37:03.800 --> 1:37:05.720 He meant it, and I got I got one more 1:37:05.760 --> 1:37:08.000 for him. You're probably about to say what I'm about 1:37:08.000 --> 1:37:08.360 to say. 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:12.840 Who's gonna play him in the bio pick? Who's gonna 1:37:12.840 --> 1:37:16.080 play this artist in the bio pick? Definitely not mean, 1:37:20.240 --> 1:37:23.320 I mean, I've had it. 1:37:24.400 --> 1:37:30.200 I can do it. Who's gonna do the choreography for this? Oh? 1:37:30.439 --> 1:37:39.600 Yeah yeah? Oh wow? Travis Pain. Travis Pain, give us some, 1:37:39.720 --> 1:37:44.160 give us some backstory on Travis Pain. Choreographed for Janet, 1:37:44.400 --> 1:37:46.680 for Michael, he was the one, and this is it. 1:37:47.240 --> 1:37:51.000 You saw him a lot? Okay, yeah, ball ahead. Travis 1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:55.479 Pain is is a legend in this business. Wow. Yeah. 1:37:55.720 --> 1:38:00.200 Choreographed for much more than I can remember. But off 1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:04.920 to Travis Pan his not just choreography, staging, what you 1:38:05.080 --> 1:38:08.240 wear all the stuff. Full creative director, full creator. He's 1:38:08.280 --> 1:38:09.559 a creative director for sure. 1:38:09.960 --> 1:38:12.800 We've come to the segment of this show. Will you 1:38:12.920 --> 1:38:16.679 tell us a story? Funny or fucked up? Are funny 1:38:16.800 --> 1:38:17.599 and fucked up? 1:38:18.479 --> 1:38:21.720 And the travels of Flex the things you've seen, the 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:23.720 things you've experienced. It could be any of those things. 1:38:24.400 --> 1:38:26.800 It's only rule. One rule to the game. One rule 1:38:26.880 --> 1:38:30.479 to the game. What's that You can't say? No names? Okay, okay? 1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:38.560 First one is at a memorial service? Uh meet this 1:38:39.000 --> 1:38:43.280 this this brother? Can I say what they do? A 1:38:43.600 --> 1:38:49.040 rapper entertainer? People love them. Going to the bathroom, sees me, 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:52.400 Oh man, what's up? Flex? Oh oh fan man? Growing 1:38:52.520 --> 1:38:54.840 up like, oh man, call me too big fan of you? 1:38:55.000 --> 1:38:59.080 That cool? Come out like hey man, hey, let's let's 1:38:59.080 --> 1:39:01.519 get together, you know, lunch with that. I'm like bad man, 1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:07.400 all right, man? I hit you up? Hit him up? 1:39:08.920 --> 1:39:13.000 Mm hmmm, hit him up, mm hmm, hit him up. 1:39:15.000 --> 1:39:19.439 Never heard from that person again. Gave me the fool gaze, Yeah, 1:39:19.640 --> 1:39:21.680 gave me gaz. I have a pet peeve with that 1:39:22.760 --> 1:39:27.840 if you don't mean it, don't do the faking move. 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:31.799 Don't do that. Yeah, don't leave me on red. Okay, 1:39:32.520 --> 1:39:35.479 after they tell you, after they tell me, hit me up, 1:39:35.520 --> 1:39:44.160 after they pull out phone. Hey, okay, that's one second. One, yes, yeah, 1:39:44.160 --> 1:39:48.120 it's terrible. Second one was working for this person as 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:53.040 a dancer, and in rehearsals, I've been doing some things. 1:39:53.080 --> 1:39:57.559 I guess they were not happy with I'm imitating them, 1:39:58.200 --> 1:40:02.600 and uh, they don't know you're a comedian yet. No, 1:40:02.920 --> 1:40:08.800 not at that time. So we have a show, we 1:40:09.000 --> 1:40:12.840 go sound check, I do it again. There was another dancer, 1:40:13.160 --> 1:40:16.200 a little hater I used to dance for Hammer, and 1:40:16.400 --> 1:40:19.400 I guess he goes back and tells said person, I 1:40:19.520 --> 1:40:23.080 am in my hotel room getting ready for show. Blah 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:26.040 blah blah. Get a knock on the door, pro manager, 1:40:26.320 --> 1:40:30.519 Hey man, yo, got just get your stuff together. So Yo, 1:40:30.800 --> 1:40:33.840 you know, show's not to seven thirty, not for you. 1:40:35.479 --> 1:40:40.840 He's a plane ticket. You've been fired. Yeah. I was 1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:45.559 removed from my hotel room, put on the plane back 1:40:45.640 --> 1:40:50.360 to New York. Missed out of that whole tour. Yeah, imitating? 1:40:51.120 --> 1:40:57.200 Are you doing a bad person? It was just yeah, 1:40:57.920 --> 1:41:01.479 don't do me don't do don't play with me like that. Flex. 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:03.840 And and they knew I was just a jovial guy. 1:41:05.120 --> 1:41:05.320 You know. 1:41:05.920 --> 1:41:07.320 It might have been some other stuff. I don't know, 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:11.559 but yeah, they didn't. They didn't like that. Mm hmmm 1:41:13.520 --> 1:41:17.360 mm hmmm. If you are you almost did the voice. 1:41:17.439 --> 1:41:27.040 But yeah, yeah, and it's said person always, you know, 1:41:27.120 --> 1:41:30.679 if I'm at a show that they're doing currently always 1:41:31.200 --> 1:41:33.639 he loves to tell that story. Oh they still tell 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:38.280 the story. Oh yeah, because but I fired you so 1:41:38.360 --> 1:41:42.200 you could become I thank them. Actually, I say, hey, man, 1:41:42.320 --> 1:41:43.800 thank you because it pushed me because I said, I 1:41:43.800 --> 1:41:51.599 ain't never let nobody fire me again. Yeah, let tell 1:41:51.600 --> 1:41:57.080 you after you because you're doing it. No, we never know. Okay, 1:41:57.280 --> 1:42:02.000 whatever tells, I won't tell. It's always a secret. It's 1:42:02.040 --> 1:42:02.519 a secret. 1:42:04.680 --> 1:42:14.439 Brother flex Uh entertained extraordinary. Uh former hooper, Avid Golfer 1:42:14.560 --> 1:42:17.400 now Avid Golfer. Oh no, he listened because because he 1:42:17.520 --> 1:42:20.040 be golfing with like Michael Jordan and all that. And 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:21.840 I told him one day, I said, man, anytime y'all 1:42:21.920 --> 1:42:24.240 going through that Michael Jordan things, man just hit me said. 1:42:25.200 --> 1:42:34.920 Okay, he's like that was a little chick like you 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:43.000 like he didn't give me. That's a little put in 1:42:43.040 --> 1:42:51.479 the word for you. I'm like, it's don't count on it. Man. 1:42:51.520 --> 1:42:53.880 You you you, You're one of my favorite human beings. 1:42:56.320 --> 1:42:59.320 It's like you said, man, you you, you come from 1:42:59.400 --> 1:43:01.000 that place. I think that we all come from. 1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:01.240 Man. 1:43:01.320 --> 1:43:05.920 I think we share that nuance. But we also man, 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:08.480 we we we are brothers and we've been families. 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:12.599 Sir for a long time. I'm glad I ran into 1:43:12.640 --> 1:43:13.240 you on that plane. 1:43:14.000 --> 1:43:14.200 Man. 1:43:15.280 --> 1:43:18.599 I'm just glad that I got to, you know, come 1:43:18.680 --> 1:43:22.000 here and and and just share a little more about, 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:24.400 you know, my story, because when you do, you don't 1:43:24.479 --> 1:43:27.200 really look back at your career. I know I didn't, 1:43:27.640 --> 1:43:31.360 and really, you know, think to myself and I really 1:43:31.439 --> 1:43:33.760 do anything, you know what I mean, And I look 1:43:33.840 --> 1:43:35.720 and I go, Man, historically, I mean, I was the 1:43:35.800 --> 1:43:40.599 first hip hop dancer to transition from hip hop into 1:43:40.760 --> 1:43:44.280 television and film, before j Lo, before all of them. 1:43:44.920 --> 1:43:48.240 And I'm just like, okay, I did that, you know. 1:43:48.479 --> 1:43:52.000 And I just look at the benchmarks and I just 1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:54.639 thank you for let me just you know, talk about 1:43:54.640 --> 1:43:56.360 a little bit a little bit of it here anytime. 1:43:58.200 --> 1:44:01.960 And the music, yeah, yeah, he tapped back into the 1:44:02.040 --> 1:44:03.920 micro saw that right. 1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:08.200 Every now, everyone there a little bit every now and then. Man, 1:44:08.800 --> 1:44:10.640 it's in my heart. I wanted to hit you in 1:44:10.680 --> 1:44:23.280 the here with a baby pottery man shelling you. You're horrible, Alexander. 1:44:23.439 --> 1:44:27.240 And this is the Everybody Podcast, the authority on all 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:28.280 things r B. 1:44:28.720 --> 1:44:31.320 Yeah, and man, this is our loved one. This is brother. 1:44:32.720 --> 1:44:37.639 Thank you. Appreciate you, appreciate your brother. Appreciate