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Speaker 1: R and B Money.

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Speaker 2: We are.

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Speaker 1: Take Valanti. We are the authority on all R.

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Speaker 3: And Blay in his tank Valentine and this is the

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Speaker 3: Army Money podcast on all things R rent B.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into some real entertainment. Jay Valentine hair

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Speaker 1: because partlast an R and B Singapore.

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Speaker 4: Whatever you are, you got to be able to intertange

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Speaker 4: at a high, high level. I don't want to waste

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Speaker 4: a lot of time on the intro because he does

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Speaker 4: so many things.

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Speaker 2: He's exacting, comedian, comedian, Yeah, basketball player, listen hoop he

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Speaker 2: put Hooper on there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hoopers have to play defense. I don't know. He's

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Speaker 1: just a score. He's just a scoring. Listen. I played defense.

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Speaker 1: I played you did not listen. I did it all

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Speaker 1: in college. At that stage in my life, I'm not

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Speaker 1: playing defense.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: In my thirties, I'm done with you. Did you ever

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Speaker 1: get a chip in the elague? Uh? No, Man, we

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Speaker 1: got close.

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Speaker 2: We used to do flex dirty though they would throw flex.

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Speaker 2: He would be like, oh, well you got flex, and

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Speaker 2: then it would be nobody else.

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Speaker 1: I would have it. The one time that I had

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Speaker 1: a great team but nobody showed up. It was me,

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Speaker 1: justin Timberlake, Ice Cube, Snooper, everybody tours and everybody was

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Speaker 1: on tour, everybody. I remember that we were I was

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Speaker 1: left with Yes, I was still left with me. And

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Speaker 1: then the cousin of nobodce Cube, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It was the age, but it was terrible. We had

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Speaker 1: one We went to one championship at the I think

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Speaker 1: it was Staple Center. I believe it Staple Center. And

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Speaker 1: that was the closest chance we had, and and and

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Speaker 1: yeah we didn't get it. I got there, I got

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Speaker 1: three and then yeah, yeah, yeah, but he always manipulated.

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Speaker 1: He was always able to nothing. I was able to

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Speaker 1: stay with certain teams. Yeah, I didn't was able to

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Speaker 1: stay with certain team Dave Brown.

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Speaker 4: Guess who I saw the other day, my center, Kenneth Career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I had my three point shooter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Good squat Corey, hard corey Corey.

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Speaker 1: And then we had playing no defense either, No I

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Speaker 1: need to shoot shoot three. That says yeah. Charlie Barrell

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Speaker 1: and Marcus Polk, you got we're gonna have people. They

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Speaker 1: have people. Yeah, we have the house. Yeah, because you

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Speaker 1: had too bigs. Yeah, that had too big. But but

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Speaker 1: Roger Roger. He was a big Roger. He was a

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Speaker 1: big played. That was his downfall. He should have been

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Speaker 1: in that and on the outside. That extended fire and

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Speaker 1: extended that. He was league. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. He shooting three.

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Speaker 1: He was just like shooting three. One year I had,

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Speaker 1: I was with Harvey Mason. Uh, that's all you need

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Speaker 1: is Kenny Loughton was, you know, crying, that's my boy.

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Speaker 1: But he was like my team because they played together

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Speaker 1: and then they took him off my team and got

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Speaker 1: them together. So I had it was me. It was

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Speaker 1: it was Harvey Mason and Deon Taylor director he balled.

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Speaker 1: But then soon as they took Harvey, we was just

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Speaker 1: like we just fell apart. It was it was. I

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Speaker 1: was telling my son that I was like, yo, we

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Speaker 1: felt like every Sunday we was in the league. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean was coming in because I would come in

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Speaker 1: the table. I always take the angles and the snap away.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. That was that was beautiful. The Travel

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Speaker 1: Games was dope to talk about it. Listen, I remember

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Speaker 1: when we got to ask by the Chicago s guy.

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Speaker 1: I tell that story. We were in the locker room. Right,

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Speaker 1: we're in the locker room. Everybody's like, you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: out there, you know again, it just just give me

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Speaker 1: the ball. And then Brian McKnight he's like here, we

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Speaker 1: know we everybody's again, and I'm the other fellas they professional.

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Speaker 1: I told you guys know, I was on your team.

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Speaker 1: I was on your side. I kept screaming everybody and

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Speaker 1: I was telling them to I was like, yo, y'all listen,

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Speaker 1: it ain't gonna just be no walking. I mean, they ran.

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Speaker 1: They beat us by like forty seven points. It was ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: When they filed Michael Clark Duncan got something yes across

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Speaker 4: he hit the Yeah. I said, Jesus, yeah, right, what

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Speaker 1: I mean it was it was. It was a lesson. Now,

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Speaker 4: But I called it, like I said, I said at

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Speaker 4: First half, we were just going back and forth twenty.

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Speaker 4: But the second half they started talking in a different language,

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Speaker 1: It was crazy, she's shooting. I'm like, just does he

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Speaker 2: He doesn't know, since he's your teammate and we should

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Speaker 2: we at least give him insight.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was his fault. It was whose fun. It

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Speaker 1: was all Tank's fault. What was his fault? Because he

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Speaker 1: He was, yeah, I didn't know. He starts challenging them.

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Speaker 2: A friend of mine who's a sports agent calls me

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Speaker 1: He's like challenging some of my clients and they said

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Speaker 1: they're gonna kick his ass tomorrow. I going crazy, and

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Speaker 1: I was there.

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Speaker 4: I lost the shootout to the I can't remember who

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Speaker 4: me about thirty on the shooting game, like that's that's

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Speaker 4: that's not gonna happen on the real court.

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Speaker 1: Back and I was talking.

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Speaker 4: I kept talking, y'all not going y'all don't know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was I had twenty one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but see there there and you have it. You have it.

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Speaker 2: That's something everything because in the first half and when

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Speaker 2: I said, I said, for the team, nah my yo.

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Speaker 1: That that was crazy, man, that was that was crazy.

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Speaker 1: That was the best it was. It was that reminded

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Speaker 1: me of the time. I think it's before you you

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Speaker 1: got in the league. We did. Uh. We went and

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Speaker 1: we practiced with the dream the Olympic team. Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: We got Lisa Leslie, t Spoon, all of them, and

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Speaker 1: Van Chancellor was the coach and he set us up. Now, guys,

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to go in there and hurt

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Speaker 1: getting just get him sweating. Man. We go out there,

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Speaker 1: all right. We started talking and it didn't end up good,

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Speaker 1: not at all. And Lisa Leslie was just I mean

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Speaker 1: just it was easy.

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Speaker 2: So you're going to against the wh're you only on one?

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Speaker 1: I'm proud to say yes. Would never be the WN BBC.

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Speaker 1: Remember some of the.

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Speaker 4: Do when some of the when they the girls from

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Speaker 4: the sparks playing a.

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Speaker 1: Man that it's not the same. It's not those are

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Speaker 1: the girls that got cut. That's not true. That's not true.

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Speaker 1: It don't count.

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Speaker 4: Listen, and so what there was another team they lost?

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Speaker 4: Flex you are you are I don't even say a

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Speaker 4: friend of a friend of the family. You are a

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Speaker 4: family of family. You're beyond that. We've been doing this

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Speaker 4: for many moons, many and many a Sunday. So first

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Speaker 4: of all, thank you for being here. Man. And you know,

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Speaker 4: like we're doing this arm and b Bunny podcast, like

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Speaker 4: we like to go back to the root of the thing.

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Speaker 4: Look at the beginning of the thing. You know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. Where where does all this start? Where does

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Speaker 1: It all starts for me. It was a lot of

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Speaker 1: people think I'm from Harlem, but I'm actually from the Bronx,

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Speaker 1: from the from the South Bronx N seventy fourth and

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Speaker 1: Clinton Clinton Towers. And I moved to Harlem. At some

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Speaker 1: Worked at Pampaan right, that's where the Alicia Keys shot that.

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Speaker 1: You don't know my name video? I worked there, man,

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Speaker 1: you worked there? I worked there. I was up there.

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Speaker 1: We got a bacon, naggy cheese, Yeah, orange juice, what ice?

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Speaker 1: You know? I you know, I was trying to do

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Speaker 1: my brothers. You know, my brother went to the service,

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. This is after going away

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Speaker 1: knew I always wanted to entertain. I was a hip

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Speaker 1: hop dancer. I started dancing in the clubs oh Man seventy.

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Speaker 1: I got out in the parks, like I got to

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Speaker 1: see everybody in the park. In the Bronx, I got

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Speaker 1: to see Grand Master Flash, Melly Mel, I got to

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Speaker 1: I got to That's in the Bronx. That's in the

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Speaker 1: Bronx Man, That's that was the mech birtha me Birth

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Speaker 1: and Mecca. I got to see African band by all

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Speaker 1: of them up close, you know personal. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know you disco Fever, you had the Latin Quarters, which

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Speaker 1: hip hop really hip hop molded me. Because of hip hop.

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Speaker 1: Everything spawned from hip hop, everything spawned. I ended up

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Speaker 1: dancing for Salt and Pepper and choreographing for you know,

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Speaker 1: different groups and being in all these videos. And I

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Speaker 1: was in one of the Dope his Cruise Ever, the

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Speaker 1: Mop Top, my Boys, Stretch, Peter Paul Khleif Link or

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Speaker 1: Ramier it was called. It was motivated on performance, uh,

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Speaker 1: motivated on precision towards outstanding performance. We all had our

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Speaker 1: dreads and those are the brothers that you know who

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Speaker 1: did all the Mariah Carey stretch. Would remember the time

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Speaker 1: with Fatima, like we had a nice conglomerate, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So we would break off and go

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Speaker 1: choreograph and do different things. But I just this was

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Speaker 1: always in me to do stand up and and comedy.

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Speaker 1: And from when I was little, I saw Eddie Murphy's

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Speaker 1: Delirious and I was like, Yo, that's what I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do. My mom was like, okay, baby, if you

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Speaker 1: say so. But that right there changed my life seeing Delirious.

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Speaker 1: So let's start dancing. Let's start off with dance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you ever do you do you start off

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Speaker 4: and say I want to dance, Let me go to

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Speaker 1: That was one of the best times in my life

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Speaker 1: And that's where the battle came from. The your Mama jokes,

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Speaker 1: It's it's it really is. Just don't take somebody's joke,

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Speaker 4: Though within the circuit though everybody knows everybody, everybody knows,

429
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 4: like because I was when I was at the Lave Factory,

430
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 4: like all the comedians would be there, another comic is

431
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 4: on stage and somebody would say, do the lawnmar right,

432
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And they would just go

433
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 4: into the lawnmower.

434
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, guys know your stuff. There's a certain reference.

435
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, there's people that you know that that's such

436
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: and such a joke. Whatever, Just don't do that. You

437
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: can talk. It's not to say you can't talk about

438
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: a lama because the age old saying is there is

439
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: not one original joke all of them. Are the variations

440
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: are the same thing. So but you know, okay, I'm

441
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: doing Jesse Jackson. This guy comes out, he does Jesse Jackson,

442
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: but he's talking about something different. Is he still in

443
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: the material? No, Jesse Jackson is open fair play, you know.

444
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: I just it just made me say, you know, I

445
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about something else. And there's nothing wrong

446
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: with doing impressions, but I just said I want to

447
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: I want to really talk about something. And I broke

448
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: up with this girl at one time, and I just

449
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: started talking about it on stage and it clicked. I

450
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: was like, this is it right here? I said, this

451
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: is it truthful? Because you can't take my life, you know,

452
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: that's you know, my life is my life, So you

453
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: can't come up and talk about what I went through.

454
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: So that's how I made that they transitioned and learned

455
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: and learned how to put jokes together and learn how

456
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: to just add on because there's no rhyme or reason.

457
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: You don't just sit down when they go, okay, it's funny,

458
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: it's little stuff. We could be having a conversation, you know,

459
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: we even having to come in. I say, oh man,

460
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: that that might be funny. When they take that put

461
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: that on. You know, I might be thinking of something

462
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: and I just need a tag. Or in most comedians

463
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: when you go out, they you know, cool dudes, be

464
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: like yo, man, you throw this on the end of

465
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 1: it and boom boom. Okay cool and it's cool like

466
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: and all my cats. And you know, I got to

467
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: give love to my boy Chris Spencer. He was he

468
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: was I want the guy who who said get your

469
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: ass back on stage because I walked away from stand

470
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: up once I got my TV show and did all that.

471
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: I walked away for probably twelve years because I got

472
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: to LA and I lost the that New York has

473
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: just the energy of I can go through three spots

474
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: to night. I could just go boom boom, boom boom,

475
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: and there you make money. You know, comics in LA

476
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: you don't make money. It's really like I didn't know that.

477
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: You know, they don't you really just being seen, you

478
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You get paid something, but until

479
00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: you become like a yeah. But at that time with

480
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: New York, everybody was doing. Everybody was doing. They were

481
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: doing comedy out of bbq's. You know, they had the

482
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: drug dealers joined out in the Queen's Manhattan proper. There

483
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: was popping bottles and like it, like you, I could

484
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: go make five hundred here, fifteen hundred here, you know,

485
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred here in the night, and I do that

486
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: five days a week, and then on the weekend I'm

487
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: eating I was making bread doing that. So I came

488
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: here and only known there that at that time, Yeah,

489
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: I had no I had done showtime at the Apollo. Yeah,

490
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: I done the Apollo. So I was starting to bubble.

491
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: And this was before my first TV show where I

492
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: lived with my boy Dougie Doug. Remember, Yeah, it was

493
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: before that show. So I was building my name, and

494
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: then once I got that show, it built more and

495
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: I was still doing it. But then once I got to,

496
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, doing my own show, I just I was

497
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: like a go out here and and chase that money

498
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: when I'm making this, like and it's a grind, it's

499
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: a grind. And I just didn't play it right. I

500
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: remember I told DL that, man, I said, I said,

501
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: DM Man. I was like, man, I just I didn't

502
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: want to leave and then come back and my child

503
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: has grown and I've been going all of me and

504
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: he was like, she, excuse get everybody ass a call

505
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: d L that's a hard working dude. Man. I love

506
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: that dude. Man. The sacrifice that thing, yes, yes, And

507
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: I didn't at the time, I didn't you know, get it,

508
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: you know. And and I sacrificed those years in a

509
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: sense I missed an audience that couldn't ride with me.

510
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: And then once I did a show, it was just like, Okay,

511
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: that's what he's doing now, you know what I mean.

512
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: And brothers like Dyell and said, all of them, Uh,

513
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: they've all just stayed that course. Dave Chappelle like I

514
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: used to hang with day back in the day. He

515
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: used to be a Boston comedy club and and and

516
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: the comedy seller and go to spot to spot and

517
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean just one two in the morning. I remember

518
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: doing Spot to be the comedy seller, performing with Ray

519
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: Romono at like twelve midnight. There's fourteen people in the audience.

520
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: You know, this is before he had a show. He's

521
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: working on his material, you know, and next thing, Stud's

522
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: got a show. It's crazy, but you I think I

523
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: felt more in love with you know, when I was

524
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: doing my show, just the freedom that I had and

525
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: the money that I was making as opposed to I

526
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: got to go out here and grind it out. Yeah,

527
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's a different comfort level

528
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: that you can definitely fall in love. Yeah, I'm like,

529
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm cool. Mant me, look at my accounts.

530
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: I ain't got to go out and do seven shows

531
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: for you know what I'm saying, which was still when

532
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: I look at it, I was saying, stupid.

533
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: It's just like, you know, perspective or it's just a

534
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: thing where like I remember at the beginning of my

535
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 4: career in the music side of it, like I didn't

536
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 4: know ex exactly what you should do when you have

537
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: a hit record that you wrote and produced one hundred

538
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: percent of. I don't know what that meant. I thought,

539
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 4: So all the alcoholics free.

540
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 5: We did, Kevin, you mean I can keep my shirt

541
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 5: off rock all the time?

542
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: No one was No one told me, okay, So this

543
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 4: is what you can do now now you are. Now

544
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 4: you can go write and produce for these people. But

545
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 4: not only that, you can start a publishing company because

546
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: people songwriters and producers now kind of want to be

547
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 4: you and under you. Now you can get an a

548
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: stall of writers and producers who now you don't have

549
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: to do all the work and and now, and you're

550
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 4: an artist and you can you know talents, So why

551
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: don't you just start a label?

552
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: And good? Nobody told me this, I know.

553
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: So it's like a thing where like I got to

554
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: this comfortable space where now I'm getting some money. Yeah,

555
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: I'm getting these these performance Yeah.

556
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: What else do I need to do? Exactly? I'm chilling.

557
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: Some people look at it as you lose sight, other

558
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: than you didn't have the the foresight, you know what

559
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: I mean, because people be like, oh, you know, you

560
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: didn't keep the main thing the main thing.

561
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you don't know what the main thing actually

562
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: is or.

563
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: What comes along with the main thing being successful and

564
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: all the ancillary things around it that you can now

565
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: build your company and your empire whatever you're trying to

566
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: build out.

567
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: No idea, because at that time, we weren't thinking about

568
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: reiterating what you said. Like now everybody's like, no, my brand,

569
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm building that said brand.

570
00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly exactly, just because we didn't have the brands. Yes, yes,

571
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: everyone else had brand yes, and we just you know,

572
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: we're consumers of their brand.

573
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: And helped build them. So where was in your opinion,

574
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: what's your big break man? I mean show Uptown Comedy

575
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: Club definitely, because Uptown Comedy Club and Showtime with the

576
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Apollo were the things that really introduced me to the

577
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: world in a way that it said, Okay, he's his individual,

578
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm not his dancer anymore. This is you know, this,

579
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: this is flex you know. And even still in my

580
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: mind it being on TV, I still was only thinking

581
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: about New York, you know what I mean, Even still

582
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, man, you know, I just

583
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't even when I started traveling, I

584
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: started seeing like, oh, people watch the show. You what

585
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: I mean? It trips you out, and it still trips

586
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: me out. I've never been one to get flying, but yeah, yeah,

587
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: that's me. I've always been grateful, always still surprised when

588
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: people remember stuff. And I'm thankful because if not that

589
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: I could not have a career. So that for me

590
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: was was a big breaks. Uptown Comedy Club, showed Time

591
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: to Tipolo and then doing Death Jam. I did Death

592
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: Jam when Martin was there, and then I think when

593
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: Ricky Harris got Rest of Soul when he and It's

594
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: funny Ricky Harrison and I we had this thing, man,

595
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, Ricky used to have something with everybody and

596
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: and it's crazy. They were shooting this documentary on comedians

597
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: or death jam or something, and he and I got

598
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: to see each other. It's probably a few months before

599
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: he passed, and we got to see each other man

600
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: and we just laughed. I said, man, brother, I love you, Man,

601
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: I love he said man. We was young and da

602
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: da da, And I'm so glad that we got to

603
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: had a conversation because I was so mad at his ass,

604
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: because he went out and did well before he introduced me.

605
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: He on purpose did one of my closing joke that

606
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: was the killer. He did it before I came out,

607
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: and there He's like, yo, give it up a flesh

608
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: and he came back he was like, yeah, knock it out.

609
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: I was like, this, mother, what's up y'all? It was

610
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: that quick. I had to adjudge. Yeah. You know why

611
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: he did it though, because he was just didn't he

612
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: didn't care at that time. Ricky. Ricky working with a

613
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: lot of people back then, and it was it was young,

614
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: was the nineties. People he had egos. It was yeah,

615
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: he was. He was all against and that was right

616
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: in the height of you know, tat down and all

617
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: that stuff, man, But I'm glad we got to talk

618
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: and you know, we straightened all that out and was

619
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: just man, it was a good brother, you know. And

620
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: you you sit back and you're just like, man, you

621
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: see how you matured and you know what I mean.

622
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: But but those shows, uh yeah, Uptown Comedy Club because

623
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: that's really it was weekly and that's when I was like, man,

624
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: I started making money. I was like whoa. And then

625
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: I did show Time Me to Pollo three times I

626
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: and you do Spot Simbad Malcolm Jamal Warna and Earth

627
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: Kit Okay yeah, yeah yeah. Earth the Kit was like

628
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: he's one of the rising TV styles from how give

629
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: it that all? Flex? I was like, man, my god,

630
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: that was my.

631
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 4: Were were you purposely trying to get out of dancing

632
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: once the comedy thing started started taking off?

633
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Once the comedy started just taking off. And I remember, uh,

634
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: Cheryl calling me it was just like you and I was

635
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: telling him I got this and she was like, look,

636
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: she said, Flex, just go do your things. She's like this,

637
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: it's time for you. It's time for you to soar.

638
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: And and you know you're not dance no more, you

639
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because I was still trying to

640
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: hold on because I loved it that much.

641
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: You know, like you said, you never got fly with

642
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: nobody do that no more.

643
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: I was still trying. I was getting gigged, and I

644
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: was still kind of going, you know what I mean,

645
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: and and and people started recognizing me and uh, and

646
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: I still try to hold on. And I remember I

647
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: was up for the movie Juice. It came down to

648
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: myself and Omar's between the We auditioned for like a week,

649
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: and that's where I met Trench. There pop all of them,

650
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: so they were mixing matching actors. So there was another

651
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: friend of mine who read for the role of Steel. Uh,

652
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: the young kid in there. It was it was fighting

653
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: at his house. It was Khalil Kane. It was. It

654
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: was a bunch of us man and so we all read.

655
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: And I remember meeting pak and and I remember in

656
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: the audition I was where I knew he was different,

657
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: and I knew I was inexperienced. I'm in the room

658
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: and Jackie Brown Carmen I was cast and director g

659
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: Rod Brown, Ernest Dickerson. Uh directing Ernest Dickerson. So I'm

660
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: in there. We're doing the scene, a locker scene where

661
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: he closed, and he was like, where you been Q

662
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: And then he sees him and he know, and he's

663
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: telling him, I'm crazy. I don't give it, and we're

664
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: doing the scene and before he was in the movie.

665
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: He walks off, flips his hood up, but he's doing

666
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: the scene with me. He was behind me. He was like, well,

667
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't whatever, I am crazy. It's like pot none.

668
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: He smacked me on the ass and walked off in

669
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: the scene. And I started joking because we were out

670
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: in the hallway joking and laughing, but he was locked in.

671
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't locked in, and I was just like I

672
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: look back at that and go like man and Omar

673
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, because he went, Uh went to Good Day

674
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: to performing our school. Uh, not Julie R. But it

675
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: was one of the performing on school, him and Marlin

676
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: uh and all of them went to om Marbles again.

677
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: He was focused, he was you know, they was already

678
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: that that's where I saw, okay, my inexperience and where

679
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: I need to lock in to go to another place.

680
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: And they took us all to dinner. It was like,

681
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, the last supper to see who was gonna

682
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: make it. And then Uh, I didn't get the call

683
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: and and I get the call, so I was I

684
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: didn't get it, and I mean by call Shauff, I

685
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: was like, I ain't get the movie. And I was

686
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: so crush And this was your first audition for anything,

687
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: for anything. They saw me at the Uptown Comedy Club.

688
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: They said, hey, we're doing this little movie called Juice Man,

689
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: we'd like to have you come in. And that's how

690
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: that's how it started. And I remember them calling me.

691
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a week or so later. Director go, hey, man, man,

692
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: we love you. Man. Sorry it didn't work out, but

693
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: we just want to you know, we want to fit

694
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: you in there somewhere was back and it became this

695
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: class thing class a lot of teeth and a lot

696
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: of teeth. Was like she I knew already from comedy

697
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: and all, and she said, you know, don't make me

698
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: look stupid. I was like, nah, got you say. Can

699
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna say this right here. We're gonna boo boom boom,

700
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: just so she has the upper hand and then uh

701
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: and we we we delivered. So y'all created that scene. Yeah, yeah,

702
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: we came out because we didn't know what the scene

703
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: was created. As far as the DJ audition and you know,

704
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: the bad DJ come out. We didn't know what we

705
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: were gonna say, but she knew I was a comedian

706
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: and she didn't want me like really going in, you

707
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So we kind of talked, but

708
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, and then it just and that

709
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: was it lived And I look at it now and

710
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: I see my inexperience because when I'm when I turned,

711
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like you you might have a chance.

712
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: And then she was so small and then I turned

713
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: with my back to the camera. That's my inexperience. I

714
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: turned and walked up. He turned the other way so

715
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: they see your face. But ever became an iconic scene,

716
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: that little bit. Man, No, it's viral. It's always ral.

717
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: Whenever they're connecting it to somebody being wacked by somebody,

718
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: you always.

719
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: Say that just posted it. Fifty posted it like two

720
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: weeks ago because I guess whatever when he did the

721
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: thing in in uh Street Street somebody's music, Yes, yes,

722
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: about to do I guess they had a little thing

723
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: going back and forth. But he threw that up there

724
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: and just relived again. There's gotta be some residuals attached

725
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: when when you go.

726
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 4: When it just resurfaces and starts circulating, it's street.

727
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: I wish it keeps you in the like in mind street.

728
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: I like it because that is very valuable for sure.

729
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: That's because people still talk about that and they talk

730
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: about like I started it, and I'm like, man, I

731
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: just had that little part, but I'll feel it. Be

732
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: grateful for that, Grateful for the connections and you know,

733
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: meeting Pok Pok and just being cool with him, and

734
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: you know, every time I saw him, it was just

735
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: always love man, and that right there. I always I

736
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: always cherish that always.

737
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: Okay, So move to l a man, Yeah, lah, yeah,

738
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 4: come on and bis man, what's the palm trees?

739
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: And that was when I came man man, he said

740
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: that was on the pan. That was the family is

741
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: that you should be here. The crazy thing. The crazy

742
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: thing for me is you know when you came out

743
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: there to work, girls knew what you were working on,

744
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: Like it was crazy. I was like, when you came out, Yeah,

745
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: when I came, yeah, they knew it. Oh you shooting like.

746
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: He was?

747
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: He was you know, he was on the film televisions

748
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: at different and it was ninety one, Yeah, ninety one

749
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: came out here ninety one, we shut we uh shot

750
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: Where I Live ninety two and it aired in ninety three.

751
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: How did you get the show? So the Brown Brothers

752
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: were managing Dougie Doug and yes my ex managers. Yeah,

753
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: they were managing. So we were all under that umbrella.

754
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean they had everybody, Tracy Morgan, you know, I

755
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: saw Tracy Morgan walk in the door. JB. Smooth like,

756
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: they had everybody. Man, that's my dude. So they were

757
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: doing a showcase and they did it purposely, did a

758
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: showcase at City College so that the producers could see

759
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: everybody and hopefully, you know, they like somebody. So I

760
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: go up through my thing, you know, Doug finishes, closes

761
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: out whatever, and then they say, hey, man, they like it.

762
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: They want you to read for it. Like I'm like

763
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: all right, cool. So I'm like, okay, I'm ready now

764
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: audition in New York and uh they liked me. And

765
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: then I do it again. They're like, okay, we want

766
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: to fly into LA I'm like, okay, cool, come out here.

767
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm staying at the Universal Hilton and I'm just like,

768
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: oh man, it's I'm like I got predemned. So I'm

769
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: there and then I was only supposed to be there

770
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. Like, I'm seeing all these

771
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 1: dudes in the audition that I watched on The Cosby Show,

772
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: and you know, established dudes. But I had that New

773
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: York I was like, I don't care whatever. I was like, yeah,

774
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: I watched y'all. I was sitting in the Bronx. I

775
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: was like, but I'm going to get this joint. So

776
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: I had no fear. And that's the thing. It's the

777
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: great thing about New York and the flip side of

778
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: the downside to La. The sunshine can put you to sleep,

779
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: and I kind of lost that, you know, that hunger.

780
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: But at that point I was hungry. I was in

781
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: there like doing doing my scenes over and they're like

782
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: the boy. They laughed. I'm like, ah, and it was

783
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, so I was like, I know, I put

784
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: it down. So my former agent, he had the same

785
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: agent as a Robin Harris, God rest his soul. Uh.

786
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: They set up general meetings for me. So I go

787
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: to CBS for a general meeting. So this is a

788
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: few days later. I go and I'm sitting there waiting

789
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: to meet the executive and an interceptionist. Of course, he's

790
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: right here, gets on the place. Name is Bill Gross

791
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: said hey, flex like some good man, saying no you

792
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: still wait run. I'm like yeah, he'said, well yeah, I said, man,

793
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: just unfortunately you can't take that meeting, you know. And

794
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: I was like, wives, because you got the show on ABC.

795
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: I was like what what gave her the phone? And

796
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: I was like, heah, I gotta leave because you know,

797
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: I got the TV show. And I can remember the

798
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: feeling I had. You know, they had to call me

799
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: a cab. Back then, it was Valley Cab. There was

800
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: a red and white company and I had to take

801
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: a cab all the way from CBS all the way

802
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: back to UH Universal and I remember that feeling like, Yo,

803
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on TV on Channels seven and thinking

804
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: of all the shows I've watched on Channel seven growing up,

805
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, from Happy Days, you know,

806
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: Fantasy all that stuff, and I'm like, I'm gonna be

807
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: a part of that. And I was I called my

808
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: mother my grandmother, and I was just that feeling right there.

809
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that joint. It was. It was it

810
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: was crazy. It was like the first time I dunked,

811
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: like yo, and we uh we. I had to move

812
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: out here and you know, got a place and we

813
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: started shooting and understanding camera position. All that worked with

814
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: a great producer and Michael Jacobs who did Dinosaurs and

815
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World, Don Tranovsky and brother Eric Van Lowe,

816
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: and I learned so much. I learned. I learned and

817
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: my boy Sean Baker, you know my other co star

818
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: man we had so in the boy Jason bow Smith

819
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: who was the little bad kid and Friday on the bike.

820
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, j Knocker Doyle like we had in

821
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: Sovan Walker was an amazing actor and Lorraine Tussaint was

822
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: this amazing actor is still killing it. And I just remember, like, yo, man,

823
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm in Hollywood, man, I'm doing TV. Like yo man,

824
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: this is crazy. I'm like, I ain't ever going there.

825
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: And how long did that show last? Unfortunately only lasted

826
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: thirteen episodes. Something happened where I won't go into that

827
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: with between it, you know, started the show and the

828
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: network and it just it didn't go anymore. But then

829
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: I in ninety four after the Northridge earthquake, you know,

830
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: we have one working and north earthquake hit, I was like,

831
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm going back to New York. I'm like, I ain't

832
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: built for this. I come back to New York and

833
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: I get back on my stand up grind. I'm boom

834
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: boom ninety four, ninety five, ninety six, boom that I

835
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: get a call. Hey man, you know this is New

836
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: Network UPN You know they they have a show. They

837
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: will offer you a holding deal. Now this was back

838
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: when you can cake up getting holding deals. I had

839
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: had one at Disney for you know, a few hundred

840
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: thousand and helped me for a year and a half.

841
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: Didn't do nothing, they just paid me. And then this

842
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: came up. So they sent me a bunch of scripts.

843
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: They said, oh, this script right here, they're really high

844
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: on and they gonna probably do this call Homeboys and

845
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: out of Space. So I looked at them. Now I

846
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: was like, Homeboys, not a space. Then I find out

847
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: it's the EP who was working on Where I Live

848
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: to show that I had just done. So he hit

849
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: me up. He said, flax my man, flex second, Hey man,

850
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be And I said, yeah, man,

851
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: but do y'all have to say homeboys? I said, that's

852
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: so old school. He's like, no, man, people are gonna

853
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: love it, and I'm like, all right, cool. So we

854
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: shoot the pilot and Mel Jackson who was the original

855
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: cast member. Mel Jackson was from soul Food. He was

856
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: lem Me Well from soul Food. Shout out to Mel

857
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: and shot the pilot with him, and then and Rona

858
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: Bennett who's in Vogue. Rona Bennett singing sister, she was

859
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: in it. Uh So shot the pilot. So we're waiting. They' say, oh, yes,

860
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's picked up. And then I get a

861
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: call from number I don't recognize. I'm like, what was it? What?

862
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Darryl Bell? Yo, what's up? Man? Daryl Bell from a

863
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: different world say, man, I'm excited we're going to be

864
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: doing this. And I was like, huh what. And they

865
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: replaced Mel and brought in in Darryl Bell. And then

866
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: we went on to shoot the show and we had fun.

867
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it ended after twenty two and then it

868
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: went that dark period. It was like what's next? And

869
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: to be honest, I was I was frustrated. I was like,

870
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: are you still in La? I'm still in La living

871
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: just this just this spot Lastancia over, yes, right there,

872
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: living right there and trying to figure it out. Man,

873
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: and I remember, you know, moving in, me and my

874
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: cousin moving in. Off comes the elevator, Shannice, and I'm like,

875
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you live here. She's like yeah. I'm like, yo,

876
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm moving there. And I knew who she was. I

877
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: didn't know her, but of course I knew she was

878
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: going to see Laurence Hill. And she was like, I'm

879
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: wait for me. Was going to see Lauren Hill. Going

880
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: to see Lauren Hill that night and she was like,

881
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for my cousin. Blah blah blah blah. Was

882
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: she taking along? And I was like, well, you know,

883
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: give me the number and keep in touch. And it

884
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: wasn't even on like that type of thing. And she

885
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'll be back. She went upstairs,

886
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: took like thirty minutes like I'm out, and then you know,

887
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: I see her two weeks later. I said, all right,

888
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: now you ain't give me a number. Four. She gave

889
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: me a number. We just started talking and I remember

890
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: but sharing with her. I was like, yo, I'm out

891
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: of here, like I'm tired. I'm like trying and trying,

892
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: and she said, you got to do your own thing,

893
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: you got to create something for yourself. She said, you're

894
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: too talented. We are you gonna go back to New

895
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: York for She really pumped me up, and I was like,

896
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: do you have any ideas? I said, yeah, idea about

897
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: a single dad. You know. It was buddy of mine

898
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: from Harlem. It was a single dad and you know,

899
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: just watching his life. She was like, there you go.

900
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: And then that spawned, you know, the idea of just like, man, okay, yeah,

901
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: this this is something that you know, I should get

902
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: out and pitch, you know, and then this is where

903
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: you start to learn all of the ins and outs

904
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: about about pitching and all that stuff. So I had

905
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: a friend originally from the idea write a script, you know,

906
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: paid them for the script. They turned it down, but

907
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: the ip is still mine, you know what I mean.

908
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, I want to keep going and

909
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: I want to try to pitch this again. Got another deal,

910
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: got a pilot, a script deal from ABC and Disney,

911
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: and I got another writer. They turned that down. So

912
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: again I'm like, well, hey, I still want to go

913
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: out with this, but I want to take it back

914
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: to how I originally envisioned it. Because you get writers

915
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: and they add they had their visions too, which is

916
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: which is fine. So I said I want to I

917
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: want to get back out with it. So my agent

918
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: was like, all right, cool, let's let's let's go back out.

919
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: So we go back out. My agent and my manager

920
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: at the time, we go out pitch it. I pitched

921
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: it to green Black John Lowry, Bob green Black, who

922
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: was had NBC for a while, David John Lowry just

923
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: done so much stuff went in. They had a deal

924
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: at Fox, uh and another executive then Keith Cox. They

925
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: had a deal at Fox. So pitch it like on

926
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: a Tuesday, that Friday call, It's like we want to

927
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: do it. We love it, like like oh this is dope.

928
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: And in a time frame from the idea to now

929
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: out actually doing a deal for how much time is that?

930
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: It's probably about, I say, really a year, year, year

931
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: and a half maybe, which is pretty quick. It was quick.

932
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: It moved pretty quick because it right around after I

933
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: met wife. Yeah, because I met her. My brother passed

934
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: in ninety seven, and then my after my grandmother passed

935
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: in ninety nine, and yeah, so it moved pretty quick.

936
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: So they said they want to do it. It was

937
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: like all right, cool, So I obviously put the deal together.

938
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: I got to find writers, you know, looking for writers.

939
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: I met with like five six writers. Met with his sister.

940
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: You need the boom got wrestled. We'll go over to

941
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: her house and wife and I'm telling her the story, like, hey,

942
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: this boom boom, it's dead. This is this all write

943
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: it down. And then we go to shoot the pilot.

944
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: So I'm doing all the deal stuff and and and

945
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: I said, I created by credit. I'm like, a right,

946
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: cool boom boom boom. Fill all that out. Okay, so

947
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: that's throwing to the side, and now we shoot and

948
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: then we get to I forgot what point it was.

949
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: Oh it was. We shot the pilot and then we

950
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: didn't get picked up. We were it was uh, my wife,

951
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: you were driving and I got the call. They were like, yeah,

952
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: they're not gonna pick it up. And then we pulled over. Dude,

953
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: we start crying because we just got married. I'm like,

954
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: what am I going to do? I was like, And

955
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: we put on Mary and Mary was like, God just

956
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: can't give me. I come to We sit on the

957
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: side of vine and like, O were crying. Man, Jesus,

958
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm figuring. I'm like, what am I gonna do so

959
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: then you know it's just you know, you go through that,

960
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: those emotions. So they cut to a year's past. Sorry

961
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: first year anniversary. We're driving back from Santa Barbara, get

962
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: a call from my ex manager David. He's like, hey, hey, Flex,

963
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: how you doing man. I'm like, I'm good man. He said, hey, so, yeah,

964
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: would you want to still want to do your show?

965
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like we talked about I was like, yeah,

966
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: Paramount's picking it up and they want to do it.

967
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm like what, I'm like, what amo so? So explain

968
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: how something like that. I still don't know because I've

969
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: never but I've never been a part of a show

970
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: shot a pilot where it didn't get picked up and

971
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: it get picked up later or was it in the

972
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: same place. No, it was different network, every different studio

973
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: exactly same network, network, different studio, different studios. Sell you

974
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: what happened. So there was the head of the network

975
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: at the time. What was his name, It'll come back

976
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: to me, but but the head of the network at

977
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: the time, he called me himself and he was probably

978
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: said hey man, because he used to be over at

979
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: Dean lit Back was his name. He used to be

980
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: over at upm when I was on Homeboys. He was

981
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: at Disney, so he's seen me grow, he's known me,

982
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: and he's just like, man, this kid is great. But

983
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 1: by he called me and said, hey, man, I'm so sorry.

984
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: We should we should have picked you up. You know

985
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: the first time they had picked up a show called

986
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: The Secret Files of Desmond Pfeifer. It was the show

987
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: with Sean McBride where he was it was the Slave

988
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: of Lincoln and that was the TV show that they made,

989
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: and they had picked that up and he was just like,

990
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, you know, we shouldn't have done that.

991
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: He's like, but he said, don't worry about it. You

992
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: know we got you. You covered boom And I was like,

993
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: I bet so. So now we're going to shoot. So

994
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: then here comes the subject about the creative buy. So

995
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: the guild recognizes who put pen to paper or a

996
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: finger to keyboard. It ain't about who said, hey I

997
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: I I created it. When I see people young writers

998
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: or people they send something or they put something up

999
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: like yeah, created by means nothing until you go through

1000
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: the WGA register it. You do that and then you

1001
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: registered through is it the Library of Congress one of

1002
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: those other ones out of the register. It there the

1003
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: Library of Congress. But it's another form that you can

1004
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: copyright it. That is when it's copyright And even then

1005
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: I for writer comes in, they're going to add their

1006
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: sauce to it. So together or separately you can agree say, okay,

1007
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: you brought this in, we've created it together, or listen,

1008
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: I created this, Okay, you wrote this off of my creation,

1009
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: and it's going to stay my creation. I didn't know

1010
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: any of that, and then my attorney at the time

1011
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you didn't have it registered. I was like,

1012
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know I had to. I had no idea.

1013
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: I just had an idea, you know what I mean,

1014
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: And that that's the difference of you know, a couple

1015
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: of meal on that back end, you know. But Paramount

1016
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: tried to make it right and as far as reflecting

1017
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: in points, but it was never going to be what

1018
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: a creator gets and a creator that just it follows you,

1019
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, you know, it can help other other jobs.

1020
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: So it was a hurdle we had to get over.

1021
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: So if you had to do it over again, would

1022
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: you have would you have written the script the pilot yourself?

1023
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: At that time, I was not right and I would

1024
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: have read, you would have registered it, put it in

1025
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: the best form I could into a treatment, you know,

1026
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: one sheet or whatever, because at least had I had that,

1027
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: they would be like, oh, he already had that there,

1028
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: So this is a creation based off that, because back

1029
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: then you could still you would get uh created by

1030
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: based created based on the concept, based on the concept,

1031
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: you know what. They were still doing that, but they've

1032
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: killed that credit. I would have done that, and I

1033
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: would have had a different conversation with the showrunner that

1034
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: I chose because I hired the showrunner. I brought the

1035
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: showrunner and I said, this is who I want, you

1036
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I would have had a different

1037
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: conversation or I would have because at the time, it

1038
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: was like we already in motion, wheels in motion, and

1039
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: I could either be like, you know, man, you know,

1040
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: piss a bitch, and I ain't doing none of this.

1041
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: Stop the train from it. You've got a hundred some people,

1042
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, depending on you to work, just like, all right, man,

1043
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: let's just let's just do it. And but you know,

1044
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: that was the only kind of thing that stung. But

1045
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: we you know, went on to do great and at

1046
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know we needed each other,

1047
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, showrunner myself, we needed each other. You know,

1048
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: I found Kylo. I didn't discover her, but I saw

1049
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: her on a commercial, a Nike commercial, and they were

1050
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: playing the Little Rascals music. She act like the cute

1051
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: little girl and said, oh you Lisa Leslie, Oh you know,

1052
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm such a big fan. Can have you autograb And

1053
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: she goes, sure, a little girl. She's like, well, you

1054
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: need to rebound better. And that's why I saw her.

1055
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: I was like, that's gotta be my daughter. And we

1056
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: reached out and sat down, had a meeting. We shot

1057
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: the pilot pilot. Kyla was I think twelve or thirteen

1058
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: man by the time we went to series. I think

1059
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: she was fifteen by the time we shot the first

1060
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: first season. But yeah, I would That's the only thing

1061
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: I would have done different. But you know, I had

1062
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: a great time, one of the you know, the best

1063
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: times in my life. Seas. We did six one hundred

1064
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: something seventeen episodes, so syndication in the whole thing. Yeah,

1065
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: but it was really i'd say five and a half

1066
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: because you know, they tried, they wanted to go a

1067
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: different direction and do some different things and I was like, well, no,

1068
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. So it was just

1069
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: an impasse where Okay, I'll agree to come back and

1070
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: do this is my shows, and then you know, and

1071
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: then y'all move on. And that's what we did, because

1072
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: how does that go and how does that work?

1073
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: If it's something that I mean, obviously, you gave us

1074
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: the breakdown of the whole creative buy thing. I know

1075
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: about the you told us about the money that may

1076
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: have been missed or not even made that but that

1077
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: was missed out by you not doing it that way.

1078
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: But did that ultimately give them the power to restructure

1079
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 2: your show?

1080
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: No, they've always had. I mean, listen to the studio

1081
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: has the power they give. They're giving them money no

1082
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: matter what we like to think.

1083
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

1084
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: If you look at the history of anybody that tried

1085
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: to show out and they except that we can't canceling

1086
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: the show, you know what I mean. So it's just

1087
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: about I wouldn't say playing a game, but just knowing

1088
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: when the picket battles and all that stuff. But listen,

1089
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: they gave me, afforded me a life that you know,

1090
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: ten years prior I didn't have, so I'm grateful for that,

1091
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you're gonna have those

1092
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: bumps and you're gonna have those bruises, but all of

1093
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: those things that are to teach you, you know the

1094
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: next go round that you know better. So now I

1095
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: know better. I'm like, I know, before I even pitch anything,

1096
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: say anything, I'm going right to guild here boom, regis

1097
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: every which way I can, and then we're gonna talk,

1098
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Because it gets dicey, and

1099
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: people get people get funky. You can see people forget,

1100
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: people forget and forget. You can sit and have a conversation, Oh,

1101
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this, oh yeah, and then something happens

1102
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: that all changes. Yeah, and you talk to my lawyer.

1103
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: Now it's like, oh, oh we had an agreement. It

1104
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: all changes. Friends or no friends.

1105
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: It is.

1106
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: It is. It is one of the one of the

1107
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: stickiest places to be when you get into a situation

1108
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: like that, especially if it's friends or people that your

1109
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: your peers, you know, because it's always about who did what.

1110
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: It's like, let's just do it together, like myself, Chris

1111
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: and Buddy, we have a project now, Like we get

1112
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: it together. You know what I mean, and you know,

1113
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: I will always be like, hey man, they're stronger than

1114
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: me in this area. I have a strength in this area,

1115
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: and we just put it together. But you know, people

1116
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: are putting time in it and helping you. That's that's

1117
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: that's a different thing, are you.

1118
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: I mean I think you're you're probably up financially in

1119
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 4: a good space. When you guys come to this impasse

1120
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 4: and they're like, well, we're going to do something different.

1121
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 4: You know, you're doing pretty well for yourself and now

1122
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 4: you're saying, what's my next move again?

1123
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I am, you know out and you know,

1124
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: you take some gigs here and there. You know, I

1125
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: chilled a little bit, you know, just home and really

1126
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: just trying to trying to trying to figure it out.

1127
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: Then I get a call from my agent. It's like,

1128
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: hey man, uh, you're not going to believe me. I'm like,

1129
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: well what it was like, Yeah, so they're doing this

1130
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson movie. Let me go and get it out.

1131
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: It is going to get this out. Get this call

1132
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 1: this Michael Jackson movie. And I'm like, okay, cool, who's

1133
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: in it. It's like they want to meet with you.

1134
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, they said who's in. I'm like, like, what

1135
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: they can't they want to beat other pH one, you know,

1136
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: Santa Monica. I'm like, I'm like, okay, they want you

1137
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: to meet with the director producer. I'm like, okay, cool,

1138
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: al right, I'll go take a meeting. Go sit down.

1139
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't see nobody else there. It's not like I'm

1140
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: not reading nothing. It's like I'm just like sitting there.

1141
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: And the director is like, he's very earthy, like we

1142
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: want to do you know. This is we're not trying to,

1143
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, to fame him. This is you know, we love.

1144
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: We want to put energy in. And I was like, okay,

1145
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: cools energy cool. They just asked me questions about him,

1146
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: how I felt. I was like, come on, I met

1147
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: him once. Super cool. I'm like yeah, like and that's it.

1148
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: Just had a conversation. I leave. I think about a

1149
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: week later they called and they was like, yeah, they

1150
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: want to make you offer. I was like, come off

1151
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: of that conversation. Just off of that conversation, just off

1152
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: of that, I'm like, I was like, come on, man,

1153
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: you like they know I'm six four, right, Like I

1154
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: can't like how they want to make an offer. And

1155
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm like then I find out, I'm like, who else

1156
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: were they talking to? This would have even been really funny.

1157
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: I think Hill Harper was on their ring. Shout out

1158
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: to Hill's go Senator. He may not even know that,

1159
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: but I guess they were thinking about him at the time. Yes, yes,

1160
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: what yes. So I'm like okay, and I'm like, all right,

1161
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: well whatever, you know, negotiate whatever. Clearly think we all

1162
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: look like yeah. And they came back with the number

1163
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'll do it, I'll do it.

1164
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: Tell us what that never was? Brother, I know you

1165
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: can't tell us keep that lock. Yeah, it was good.

1166
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: It was enough for him to do it. It was

1167
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: a great number. Overlooked everything much what it costs for

1168
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: you to play Michael Jackson tap but no. But but

1169
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: you know what, you gotta understand. It wasn't now, it's

1170
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: not about yeah. But I'm looking and I'm saying, this

1171
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: is before so this is and when they pitched the

1172
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: story and they're sitting there telling me, once I agree

1173
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: to do it, that like we're gonna we have, we

1174
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: got the songs, we're gonna be doing big performances, we

1175
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: got the rights to the song. I'm like okay. I'm like, okay,

1176
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't just about what you could buy. It wasn't

1177
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: about that at that point, it's like you really can

1178
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: do something. I'm like, oh, man, we said, we gotta.

1179
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: He said, I have this performance. You do a man

1180
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: in the mirror. I was like, okay, I'm gonna kill it.

1181
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: And they took you back to your day today, all

1182
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: of that stuff and the love that I have for Michael,

1183
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was just like, oh,

1184
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: bat boom, So we go do it. I should have

1185
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: known first day walking in the makeup trailer and I said,

1186
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: I see the rubber nose sitting there, and I'm just like, yeah,

1187
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm not putting that on. Like, I'm not doing that.

1188
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make a caricature. Yeah. So I didn't

1189
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: put the nose on. But then they came out with

1190
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: the dog on the airbrush with the ashy airbrush powder

1191
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: and they put it on. I was like, I was like,

1192
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: y'all know I look ashy, right, Oh no, to'll be

1193
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: fun like all right, and then we start shooting. We're

1194
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: shooting with the intent of delivering something really good, which

1195
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: at the time for the time because guess this check

1196
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: us out. It air on BH one, nobody had nothing

1197
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: negative to say. If this air on b ask me

1198
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: you were probably younger. You were probably Oh my listen, listen,

1199
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm tough dude. It aired, people say, oh man, you

1200
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: did a great job. I mean I even even I

1201
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: mean sitting with La Toya talking to her and she

1202
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: she knew production value was crap, but she was just like,

1203
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: we appreciate you really, you know, trying to really channel

1204
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: the one thing. People just say, it's like, yo, you

1205
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: really you know, channeled him just the kindness and all

1206
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: that stuff to make up because make it was horrible.

1207
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: But you're gonna because that's my biggest issue.

1208
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was that was bad. It was was

1209
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: it chalk. It was some air brush. It was in

1210
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: an airbrush. That's all. I know. That every morning one.

1211
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: Scene, well you had all all white and he was

1212
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,439
Speaker 2: matching your shirt. I know, man, And I said, ain't

1213
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: no way, Yeah, it ain't no way.

1214
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: It looked like they took me and they rolled me

1215
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: and powdered donuts and just like and action. What's the

1216
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: time right now? What's the day? Oh my god, listen, man,

1217
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: I thought I was safe.

1218
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 4: When did any point during the shooting, At any point

1219
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 4: did you look at yourself?

1220
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: There was no points, no point except for the makeup.

1221
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: I was like, man, they gotta do this better. But

1222
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: at no point did I think because again this was

1223
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: before social media, so there was no opinions to base anything.

1224
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: I thought. I was clear, they ate this man so

1225
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: much money. They ain't no way. You didn't walk by

1226
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: that mirror and go oh hell no. I was just

1227
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: like yo, man. And then when people hit me up,

1228
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: and initially I was like, initially I was getting offended,

1229
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: like I got a family, But then I was like,

1230
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: you know what where he was getting offended at first

1231
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: when it because when social media started, and then when

1232
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: people would see it or it would came on, or

1233
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: they would hit me. Oh they would hit me. I

1234
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: would get tagged. We ain't never gonna forgive you, never forget,

1235
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: never forget that you should never oh my god. And

1236
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: then I would be going back when and then I

1237
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: was like, man, I got to learn to laugh at myself.

1238
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: And when I looked at that com I was like

1239
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: this was initially, but then I was like, so people

1240
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: hit me, I'm like, man, you all right? I was

1241
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: asked you I don't know what I was thinking. And

1242
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: you know some of our responses. Somebody said something about

1243
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: uh uh I posted something and they were like, yeah,

1244
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: you need to post uh a piece of that terrible

1245
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: Michael Jacks movie there. I said, I'll post the check stuff.

1246
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: How about that? You know? But then I was like, no,

1247
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't do that, don't do that. But I just

1248
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: have fun with it. Now it's it's it's always around

1249
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: his birthday. I know yearly when it's coming. So I

1250
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: get ready and just sit there and just let me

1251
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: take it. And now that they did the movie and

1252
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: that's coming out, I know that they're gonna play get

1253
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: the movie. They did it, yes, with your Jamaine Son

1254
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: and Answer Food Couad directed. It is an amazing they

1255
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: that was They did it right. And the thing is

1256
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: even in that somebody's gonna have a problem with it.

1257
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: Of course, sure of course sure, but it's not gonna

1258
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: be what I did. This is how.

1259
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 2: Our friendship is the reason why I've never posted it.

1260
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 2: Oh but now that I know you cool with it,

1261
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm listen. You know how many people I know that

1262
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: have posted that time?

1263
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 4: I mean, like I get hit here as your friend,

1264
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 4: like you didn't do it.

1265
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: What do you mean? I've never seen but it's so funny, man.

1266
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm like, I can say that's a.

1267
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 4: Great moment in you know, your love for music, your

1268
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 4: love for Michael. Like you're like, how you want to

1269
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 4: turn that down? Like when you ask me like the

1270
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 4: turned down Michael Jackson. I'm in my mind. I'm trying

1271
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 4: to think of all the things I would just need

1272
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 4: to do to get into that character too, and I'm

1273
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 4: gonna try and do them.

1274
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: Listen. I came home. I came home and I was

1275
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: still in character. We went to eat me and a

1276
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: family and I was like, because everything was shaved. I

1277
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 1: got to the house, I forgot the code to the alarm,

1278
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 1: like I really was because I just watched hours hours.

1279
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna go

1280
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: ahead and do it. And it was I submerged in

1281
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: that joint, yo, and it was who Yeah, it tat.

1282
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: It taught me a lot, man. I was just like, yeah,

1283
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: I really gotta vet this thing out a little little

1284
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: a little better. But I mean, again, for my love

1285
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: of music, love of him, like I had, I know,

1286
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: there was talks of you know, Tyresee doing Teddy Panograss.

1287
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: I spoke to Teddy Panegrass years ago about I was

1288
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: submitted about playing Teddy Pentagram. This was years ago. Someone

1289
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: else had the rights at the time, and I knew them,

1290
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: and they called me and they put me on the

1291
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: phone with him and saw my picture. It was like, oh,

1292
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: Man pictures, great man. He said, yeah, we're gonna keep

1293
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, keep going. We're gonna figure this out. And

1294
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he passed. But you know, I've tried

1295
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: to get the rights to Sam Cook at one point,

1296
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: but the the guy who owned it, who swindled him

1297
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 1: out of his his rights to his music, owns the

1298
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: music and won't let anybody. That's what if you notice,

1299
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:28,879
Speaker 1: the only person who ever had the original uh rendition

1300
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: of Change Gonna Come is Spike Lee in X nobody

1301
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: else and Ali was our Green singing it. They did

1302
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: a ready remake of it, but they won't let that

1303
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: music go. And I'm like, you can't do a Sam

1304
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: Cook movie without the music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's

1305
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: some people I've I've tried, and you know, I just

1306
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, just they just Michael got me. I

1307
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: love Michael Man love. Man, there's such such a it

1308
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: was such an amazing it.

1309
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 2: Man.

1310
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,799
Speaker 1: God, just he would come in, introduce himself to everybody

1311
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: and everybody's name. Just it's an amazing, amazing, amazing person.

1312
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 1: What does that lead to? After Michael Jackson? Uh? That,

1313
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: after that, God, it was, that's when the what do

1314
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 1: you call it? Hit? The two thousand and eight financial

1315
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: collapse hit. It was I had had we got property,

1316
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: we bought property in Vegas, and you know, I'm stacking up, like, yeah,

1317
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: you know, I want to pass this down. Bottom fell

1318
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: out everything. I should have let it go, but I'm

1319
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: pulling from savings trying to keep it. Got to I

1320
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: had a twelve unit little building and four single family

1321
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: homes and everybody like it was. It was bad. So

1322
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm pulling money trying to keep it going because I

1323
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: want to pass this down and I should have let

1324
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: it go. And that's what led to us, you know,

1325
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: doing the show on own talking about it. Yeah, talking

1326
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: about what we what we went through. And because I

1327
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: didn't want to do reality, and so the only way

1328
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: I would do is if we had something to talk about.

1329
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: And you know, Wifey, she loves reality. She just want

1330
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: to do reality. Show. I wanted to the reality show.

1331
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: And then I said, listen, if we're going to do it,

1332
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: we got to tell the story because I don't want

1333
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: blogs and it's coming out telling our story. We're going

1334
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: to tell you know, how everything happened. And we did,

1335
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: and for the most part, it was super positive. We

1336
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: had so many people who were thankful in this industry,

1337
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: and we both know that came to me on the side, Yo, man,

1338
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: I was living in my car or Yo, man, I

1339
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: don't know how you spoke out, but thank you and

1340
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: you know that gave me the confidence and you know,

1341
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, that's the reason, if anything, that

1342
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: was the reason to do it for those people. We

1343
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: had a couple that reached out and they told us

1344
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: that they told my wife that they lost everything, had kids,

1345
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: all that, and they were planning to mit suicide and

1346
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: they were writing a letter and they were going to

1347
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: leave the kids with her parents. They saw our show

1348
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: that both were They saw our show and said, hey,

1349
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: we saw that you guys can make it, and they

1350
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: just didn't do it and turn and turned things around

1351
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: and thrive. And I wonder where that couple is now.

1352
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: I hope, you know, I know they were still going.

1353
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: But that that for me was was everything, you know,

1354
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: and that was everything. So going through that, after Michael Jackson,

1355
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: after that the financial collapse, everything changed, the business changed,

1356
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: and then it just became you know, doing a TV

1357
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 1: movie here or doing to reoccur here, and you know

1358
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: I would do Gray's Anatomy I did. I had a

1359
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. Man, I've done a whole bunch of

1360
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: stuff that people forget, you know what I mean. And

1361
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: I was able to just continue sustain and then you know,

1362
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: Wifey started performing more again, and and we just kept going. Man,

1363
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: we just we just kept going. And people think, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1364
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: you got black Ball, and I'm like, no, I'm still

1365
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: working black Ball for playing Michael Jackson, like really, like

1366
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: it didn't make no sense, but that just, you know,

1367
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: I led into I had another deal, create another show.

1368
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: It didn't happen, but I had a deal on the table.

1369
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: But I just kept going. I just kept going, kept going.

1370
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: That's all I know how to do. You know, even

1371
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: in the tough times like right now, you know, so

1372
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: many people going through it and still trying to front.

1373
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, everybody getting hit hard, everyone, and this

1374
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: is the time where you just have to shift and

1375
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: figure things out do other things as well. I don't

1376
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: think it's anything wrong wrong with that. I've been, you know,

1377
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: heavy into studying government contracting, and you know, I'm looking

1378
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: at the percentages of millionaires that come out of there,

1379
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, all right, we're gonna learn that's

1380
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: something else, you know what I mean? Because as much

1381
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: as I love this, I know I can't sit and wait.

1382
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: And even if you reach out to people, those people

1383
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: are waiting. You know, they're not in a position to

1384
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: do anything. And I'm talking about black, white everything. I

1385
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: got a couple of white friends, just producers. They got

1386
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: shows packaged with some names, and they can't sell them.

1387
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: So that just tells you where we are. I'm like,

1388
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: what do they know? Why is everybody on hole right now?

1389
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: What do they know? I don't know if it's the election,

1390
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. But it's a weird time.

1391
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: And it's not saying that you can't get things done,

1392
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: but I just think it's we're in the time now

1393
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: that you have to really dig deep and and and

1394
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: and understand that you know, just one way is not

1395
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: the way anymore. Like you said earlier, you know, for

1396
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, hit record, right, and it's like, okay, publishing company, Okay,

1397
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: get some artists, let me do. It's that same thing

1398
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: you yes, putting all these numbers, all of that stuff.

1399
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: You have to do. It almost like the three card mindset.

1400
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: You got to you have to. And that's one thing

1401
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: I will never never stop doing, you know, because it's

1402
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: just it's just I don't know, man, I love it.

1403
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: I'm fell in love with getting on stage again, back

1404
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: doing stand up, and I just fell in love with

1405
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: it more this time because now I've lived life and

1406
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: now I have stuff to talk about, you know what

1407
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean. The journey is you know, my wife and

1408
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,560
Speaker 1: I went through our kids, what we went through, and

1409
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: you know, and what she's come through and with this

1410
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: cancer thing, and I mean it's all other shit don't

1411
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: mean nothing to me. So I don't people can oh

1412
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: you did this, it's like okay, cool, it's funny. Yeah,

1413
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: but you know, at the end of the day, ma'am

1414
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: still here. You know, we're still here, and that for

1415
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: me is everything. This is all I ever wanted to do.

1416
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean, this is what it's

1417
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you like this. This is all

1418
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: I ever wanted to do. Man. I love it, not

1419
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 1: for the other stuff, but just to when I get

1420
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: on stage. Man, I'm telling my story. I got your attention.

1421
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: You know, you paid your money to come see me.

1422
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, yoh, man, it's like you're doing a concert

1423
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: and Nadia and you're taking your time on a song

1424
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: and they're like, I'll tell you that. You know, you know,

1425
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,600
Speaker 1: it's the same feeling, you know. I think when I

1426
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: was younger, it was different. When I was younger, I

1427
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I get that bread. You know, people

1428
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: know me. You know, it's still humble. But I think

1429
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: now it's the love is kicked in because at fifty

1430
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: four is different. Fifty four fifty four, yes, sir, yes, sir,

1431
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,560
Speaker 1: it's me. I believe you don't hope no more. I

1432
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: see him. I do the same thing to him. I said, Bro,

1433
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, no hold with us, no here you text

1434
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: me A couple of times, I said, Jay, let me

1435
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: just let you know it's not happening. It's not legs, no. No.

1436
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: The last time I thunk I was what forty six,

1437
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: and then I was doing a celebrity game in Indianapolis

1438
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: and next year I went, I went to go up.

1439
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: It was just gone, just gone. I say, you know what,

1440
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm good. Everybody I know my age or in our

1441
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: age is popping achilles. I'm like, look, thank you don't

1442
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: need that. Don't nobody needs that.

1443
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 4: See super legs over here. He did a meniscus. I

1444
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 4: told a a C and you still that the same leg,

1445
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 4: didn't need surgery, didn't do surgery, just did all.

1446
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: Rehab and still going. I love it. I love it.

1447
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 4: I stopped because of that, yes, I said, And then

1448
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 4: I came back like wait, wait where you at to that?

1449
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? I run No, No, I can't. I can't find

1450
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: any enjoyment of anything else the same way. Really, I

1451
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: think like within your journey, bro, you know.

1452
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 4: You from a talent standpoint, a gift standpoint, like you've

1453
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 4: accomplished some some really incredible things. But that piece where

1454
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 4: you and your wife share your share your life with

1455
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 4: the world, Yeah, that positive way that is like that

1456
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 4: is the gold Man. And even when I just used

1457
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 4: to used to see y'all two together. You know what

1458
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying, it's like a it's smiling. It's a different

1459
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 4: kind of energy, like it's like, oh yeah, that's that.

1460
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 4: That's the Lord's work right there. It's like it's like

1461
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 4: seeing two people that like, I don't know, like something

1462
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 4: else comes from that, something more inspirational, something deeper, just

1463
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 4: from y'all standing there together, you know what I'm saying.

1464
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 4: So I'm glad y'all were able to tell that story.

1465
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 4: And I know for a fact you've saved more people

1466
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 4: then you realize. Just your example, man, and just those smiles.

1467
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 4: So y'all walked in and she starts smiling.

1468
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: Look at this man, she always smile. You married the

1469
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: R and B man. I don't know about saying. In

1470
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: my head, I know you are you listen, she will

1471
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 1: tell you. In my mind, I'm singing. And the crazy

1472
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: thing is I'm singing all the time. She don't sing

1473
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:08,440
Speaker 1: around the house. I'm the one for your music. Everything

1474
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: you listen, you're all kings. You don't sing off case.

1475
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: She talked, She's like, I turned about that key. She's

1476
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: off my note, off my note, off my note. She'll

1477
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: purposely come in. She'll get me a note like no, no, no, no,

1478
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: off my note. Yeah yeah yeah, your melody.

1479
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 2: Guys, understand that melody. A solo guy, just think tune

1480
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 2: now you know what I mean. Listen a whole nother career. Hey,

1481
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: pivot in his whole time.

1482
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: You never know, you never know. I was in the group.

1483
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: Once I got I got kicked out, but I was

1484
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: there for for a minute. It was an R and

1485
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: B group. I was a rapp R and B group

1486
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: called jim Wait wait what woy wait wait wait before

1487
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: you before you go ahead and start playing. Yeah, we

1488
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: need to know about shot like like like like French

1489
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: for I love you shot him? Okay, hallm I thought

1490
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: it was like French timbling both my R and B.

1491
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: It was my boy, my boy, Michael Harrison shout out

1492
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,839
Speaker 1: to Michael Harrison in Harlem. He was up in this apartment.

1493
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: I think that the least things of Spanish. Dude named Jimmy,

1494
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: and there was another guy and nobody was French though No, okay, okay,

1495
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: she was trying to do something different. So we up

1496
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: in there. I mean we harmonizing. And are you really harmonized?

1497
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: I thought I was until I got to notice Jimmy's

1498
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: until I got to notice, Yeah, you might want to

1499
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: go ahead do this dancing thing because you yeah, we're

1500
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 1: not going to be your services. But I knew it though.

1501
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: I knew this was something I had come to terms

1502
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: with and I knew this is not my calling. And

1503
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 1: look who got to play Michael Jackson look at that

1504
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: and not none of yeah would kicked me out.

1505
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 4: For this.

1506
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: I think. I think I had two rehearsals and I

1507
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: was gone. But that's how much I love music. We

1508
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: just went to the fool and fool and love Uh

1509
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: festival that they had out by so far, Gladys Knight, Ross,

1510
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: line of Richie Santana, the whispers, I mean every I

1511
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: loved it. It was. We all went out even know

1512
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: that was happening.

1513
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: Oh it was.

1514
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: It was a little loun organized as far as getting

1515
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: in part, but I can a plus on putting together

1516
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: a lineup in The stages were like the cross So

1517
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: when one artist was performing, artists was over here setting up.

1518
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: As soon as they finished, they was on and it

1519
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: just went like that.

1520
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 2: It was.

1521
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: It was so dope and seeing all of them performing,

1522
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: seeing Eddie up this mean and walk to it, and

1523
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 1: people won't get Walter enough credit Walter Walter, Yeah, Walter

1524
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: cold blooded. I mean it was. And we left. Lionel

1525
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,799
Speaker 1: had started. He just started off man with being alone.

1526
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: He started off with Hello. I was like, Yo, how

1527
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: are you gonna start with Hello? Catalog? He got that

1528
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: many hit speaking of his let's talk about Nle Rogers.

1529
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: He got there and I did. I didn't know he

1530
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: did his catalog. He said, y'all might know this one.

1531
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 4: I was like like that.

1532
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm like what.

1533
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 4: That was?

1534
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 1: If you can get there next year. It was that

1535
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: right outside of so far in between and the forum outside.

1536
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: It was amazing. That's what I love how much I

1537
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm always playing music in my car is the R

1538
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: and B and Wifey's car. She's playing and drop it

1539
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: like it's hot. She might be playing Sexy Red, she

1540
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: might be playing my booty whole Brown. She might be

1541
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: playing just know what you think? What you think? She smiling, smile,

1542
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: and she is dropping it. I mean she's at the party.

1543
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she she is trade up gangsters need

1544
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: to balance with all the Shenanigans. I listening to Awfulish.

1545
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: I love it, man. I mean going from shoot Bar

1546
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: Skags to you know, Bobby Carwell to you Yeah, everything, man,

1547
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: I just love all of it. That is not flex

1548
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: is your top five R n B s Okay, So

1549
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: what do we say here because again, we've talked about

1550
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: We've talked about Michael and I know they said, oh,

1551
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: king of Pop, but Mike was so R and B

1552
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: and for me, he is definitely there. And Jay listen

1553
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: off the walk, man, listen, I can't help it. Come on, okay, Luther,

1554
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: come on, get some armies in the French accent. That's okay,

1555
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: gotta have Luther. Uh. Oh my gosh, Jeffrey Osborne, come on, jail.

1556
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, putting there. I gotta put Gladys Knight. Yeah,

1557
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: and there, gotta put Gladys Knight's incredible voice, my soul. God,

1558
01:25:55,240 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: have to gosh more m you got it, Shaka Khan

1559
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 1: shot check corn. Yeah, I just saw her.

1560
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's still out there with the with the fit on,

1561
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 2: with the hair blown hitting all the nose.

1562
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 1: Just saw her. She she it's so hard, because how

1563
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: can you forget Whitney? Like it's so hard? Man, come on,

1564
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: sing the remix. Okay, so there we go. Okay, we

1565
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: got Whitney. So that's what. That's sick. That's sick. That's

1566
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 1: I gotta stop, Okay, I don't. I don't want you

1567
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: to veer off of your you know your ahead. Come

1568
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: on give us. Oh my gosh, said Whitney. Whitney definitely

1569
01:26:54,400 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: got the voice, the voice always I and I'm partial.

1570
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: I have to put my wife in there. I was going,

1571
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: I was going to, I'm just trying to you want

1572
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 1: to stab something? Absolutely is the turn up. You're not

1573
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 1: playing them and you talk about someone who's still who

1574
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: sounds probably even better now. And I told her this,

1575
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: after all you've been through, so you sound better now

1576
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: then you did back then, and you sound great, but

1577
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 1: you you've lived life. It's a different type of richness.

1578
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: That richness.

1579
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 4: Is.

1580
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: It's just different. The last show, she just I was

1581
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: just like yo, And of course, as you guys are

1582
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: are you sure I didn't? I didn't think I did

1583
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: this right? Are you crazy? Yeah? Okay? One more, one more,

1584
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: Oldest ready yeah, Old's ready? Yeah? Oh yeah your name?

1585
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: He got a song called I Love words can say? Yeah?

1586
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Is that part of the top five RB song? Okay,

1587
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: let's go to the top five R and B songs.

1588
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 1: Let's go, Okay, rock with you, Rock with you? Definitely,

1589
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: dang that's uh h h. You did the R and

1590
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: B Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's one of us. You've been

1591
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: watching y Yeah, people may not agree, but that damn

1592
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: cry for you by Jo you're talking to. I don't

1593
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: agree something cry in joy that I was in there too.

1594
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: I was in that group too. We're in the group.

1595
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: It's all of us. Yeah, I mean, yes, I was

1596
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 1: there too. Some people ain't gonna agree with you. We

1597
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: don't know, but i'mnna smack him. You God damn right,

1598
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: cry for you. Okay, so we got we got that.

1599
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: Uh gosh, it's not an original, but still that's the original,

1600
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: was Dion Warwick. But the house is not at home.

1601
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: House is not doommommmmm saving all my love for you.

1602
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like you're doing.

1603
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. The singers in the songs, all of it. Okay,

1604
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: one more more, one more, oh gosh mm hmm zoom

1605
01:29:56,439 --> 01:30:06,440
Speaker 1: the Commodore's yeah yeah yeah that's a life reflection. Yeah

1606
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: maybe just the foodless dreamer. Come on, but I don't

1607
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: care what's because I know my happiness is waiting for

1608
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: me somewhere, searching for the silver lining. I mean, yeah,

1609
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 1: that's it for me. This this man knows.

1610
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 4: This man knows importantly, he knows how to talk to

1611
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 4: a woman. Yeah, m because that's where it starts. Yeah, yeah,

1612
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 4: when you're interested in a woman.

1613
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 1: Back in the day, we used to have slow jam tapes.

1614
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: You look for the first tape. Listen, you look for

1615
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: the sonic when they came over. You hear play on

1616
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: that cassette to convey your message, to relay your instruction.

1617
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, this is, this is, this

1618
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: is what we're doing. And you know your everything I do.

1619
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: Come on that shout out of camber. You are you

1620
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: and jealousy? Uh? I would be Casey because I'm just

1621
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: all about the who. Yeah, just all about who. Yeah, couple,

1622
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 1: Come on, man, listen, man, listen Casey, Casey Killer. How

1623
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 1: could I not they talk about those dudes, I mean

1624
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: case like, just both of them, just the way they

1625
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: volley off each other. Man, and people understand the lyrics

1626
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 1: and and a lot of stuff, especially that first album,

1627
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: and they're known for the moms or open that's commission,

1628
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 1: That's commission, and just the fact that they threw that

1629
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: in there. Come real church board church womember you what

1630
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 1: do you mean in jos I'm a mixture of David

1631
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 1: and Davante. Yeah, I'm Davante. I'm okay. I like what

1632
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: you do. You cannot sleep on. Jojo cannot Jojo is

1633
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 1: the is, the is the ultimate utility man. He does

1634
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: it all.

1635
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 2: There are two guys that made two of the most

1636
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 2: amazing groups work Jojo Haley Sean Stockman.

1637
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: Talk the talk. Wait a minute, those two, those two men,

1638
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:56,560
Speaker 1: those two men want to run dry? What what we

1639
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: don't even talk anymore? Talking about? And we don't even

1640
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: know what we argue about because that's usually by how

1641
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 1: I go? Don't you know more? Why do we hurt

1642
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: each other? Why do we push love away? Let's not

1643
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: not wait until the water runs dry? With your tim

1644
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: and may get that group out of here. We're talking

1645
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: about Jonesy and boys and minute you talking about your

1646
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: tem we cunning than champions.

1647
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,959
Speaker 4: Think about those words. Let's wait till the water.

1648
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 1: Run Listen lyrics like come on man, I'm on, baby

1649
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: face prince? How did I forget? We're not gonna do this?

1650
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 4: Did we get all the songs out?

1651
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Or stop? We stop? Okay?

1652
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 4: You? If they call you to play prints, you got

1653
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 4: to remind them I'm six.

1654
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 1: It's not come out doing this. I'm not I'm not you,

1655
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: I am something never COMPREHENDI oh my god, carry your

1656
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: bags every day? My God is so much great music.

1657
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, we're gonna make a vowl trying. I'm a

1658
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 4: super R and B artist, super R and B artists,

1659
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 4: and we're gonna take mixtures of all artists from from everywhere.

1660
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 4: I want to know who you're gonna get the vocal from,

1661
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 4: the performance style, the styling, and the heart of the artists,

1662
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 4: the passion of the artist. Who you're gonna get the vocal,

1663
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 4: the one vocal for your super R and B artists.

1664
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 1: I got. I have to put my wife there. Mm hmmm.

1665
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: I have to, yeah, yeah, because she's so underrated. I'm

1666
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: not going to argue with you. And she's so loo

1667
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: you get and was the catalyst for a lot of

1668
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 1: these young girls starting I have. I have her and

1669
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: Tamiya in this space that I said. It's like it's

1670
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:32,600
Speaker 1: called vocal. Yes, I mean, come on, you signed a

1671
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 1: deal at eleven and singles their where It's like, okay,

1672
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: forget to me. God, it's so mad. She's performance style,

1673
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 1: performance style, performance style, Uh wow, m hm, got it.

1674
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: Throw Michael in there, Michael's voice, Michael moves, I lights

1675
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: some shop toaster. I want to toast it. Styling, styling

1676
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 1: would have to be like mm hmm, funky because that's thin,

1677
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: but then now styling easy. I would say it. I

1678
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: mean because in the height Whitney mm hmm Whitney, Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah,

1679
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 1: because she could go with the jean and the motorcycle jacket,

1680
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: and she could throw the gown, the gown stand flat

1681
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: foot off the passion of the artist, the heart. Mm hmmm, Dan,

1682
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: can you do a double Michael singing to your gotcha?

1683
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: Here's I don't think it was anybody's passionate. He meant it,

1684
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 1: He meant it, and I got I got one more

1685
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: for him. You're probably about to say what I'm about

1686
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: to say.

1687
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 2: Who's gonna play him in the bio pick? Who's gonna

1688
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 2: play this artist in the bio pick? Definitely not mean,

1689
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I've had it.

1690
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I can do it. Who's gonna do the choreography for this? Oh?

1691
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah? Oh wow? Travis Pain. Travis Pain, give us some,

1692
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: give us some backstory on Travis Pain. Choreographed for Janet,

1693
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 1: for Michael, he was the one, and this is it.

1694
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: You saw him a lot? Okay, yeah, ball ahead. Travis

1695
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 1: Pain is is a legend in this business. Wow. Yeah.

1696
01:37:55,720 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: Choreographed for much more than I can remember. But off

1697
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: to Travis Pan his not just choreography, staging, what you

1698
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 1: wear all the stuff. Full creative director, full creator. He's

1699
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 1: a creative director for sure.

1700
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 2: We've come to the segment of this show. Will you

1701
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 2: tell us a story? Funny or fucked up? Are funny

1702
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 2: and fucked up?

1703
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: And the travels of Flex the things you've seen, the

1704
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: things you've experienced. It could be any of those things.

1705
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 1: It's only rule. One rule to the game. One rule

1706
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: to the game. What's that You can't say? No names? Okay, okay?

1707
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 1: First one is at a memorial service? Uh meet this

1708
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: this this brother? Can I say what they do? A

1709
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: rapper entertainer? People love them. Going to the bathroom, sees me,

1710
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: Oh man, what's up? Flex? Oh oh fan man? Growing

1711
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: up like, oh man, call me too big fan of you?

1712
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: That cool? Come out like hey man, hey, let's let's

1713
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: get together, you know, lunch with that. I'm like bad man,

1714
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 1: all right, man? I hit you up? Hit him up?

1715
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, hit him up, mm hmm, hit him up.

1716
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: Never heard from that person again. Gave me the fool gaze, Yeah,

1717
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: gave me gaz. I have a pet peeve with that

1718
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 1: if you don't mean it, don't do the faking move.

1719
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:31,799
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Yeah, don't leave me on red. Okay,

1720
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 1: after they tell you, after they tell me, hit me up,

1721
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: after they pull out phone. Hey, okay, that's one second. One, yes, yeah,

1722
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: it's terrible. Second one was working for this person as

1723
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: a dancer, and in rehearsals, I've been doing some things.

1724
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 1: I guess they were not happy with I'm imitating them,

1725
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:02,600
Speaker 1: and uh, they don't know you're a comedian yet. No,

1726
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: not at that time. So we have a show, we

1727
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 1: go sound check, I do it again. There was another dancer,

1728
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: a little hater I used to dance for Hammer, and

1729
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: I guess he goes back and tells said person, I

1730
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 1: am in my hotel room getting ready for show. Blah

1731
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: blah blah. Get a knock on the door, pro manager,

1732
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 1: Hey man, yo, got just get your stuff together. So Yo,

1733
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, show's not to seven thirty, not for you.

1734
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: He's a plane ticket. You've been fired. Yeah. I was

1735
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:45,559
Speaker 1: removed from my hotel room, put on the plane back

1736
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: to New York. Missed out of that whole tour. Yeah, imitating?

1737
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: Are you doing a bad person? It was just yeah,

1738
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: don't do me don't do don't play with me like that. Flex.

1739
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 1: And and they knew I was just a jovial guy.

1740
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1741
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 1: It might have been some other stuff. I don't know,

1742
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 1: but yeah, they didn't. They didn't like that. Mm hmmm

1743
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: mm hmmm. If you are you almost did the voice.

1744
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and it's said person always, you know,

1745
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 1: if I'm at a show that they're doing currently always

1746
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 1: he loves to tell that story. Oh they still tell

1747
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 1: the story. Oh yeah, because but I fired you so

1748
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 1: you could become I thank them. Actually, I say, hey, man,

1749
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 1: thank you because it pushed me because I said, I

1750
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:51,599
Speaker 1: ain't never let nobody fire me again. Yeah, let tell

1751
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 1: you after you because you're doing it. No, we never know. Okay,

1752
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 1: whatever tells, I won't tell. It's always a secret. It's

1753
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: a secret.

1754
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 4: Brother flex Uh entertained extraordinary. Uh former hooper, Avid Golfer

1755
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 4: now Avid Golfer. Oh no, he listened because because he

1756
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 4: be golfing with like Michael Jordan and all that. And

1757
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 4: I told him one day, I said, man, anytime y'all

1758
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 4: going through that Michael Jordan things, man just hit me said.

1759
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: Okay, he's like that was a little chick like you

1760
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 1: like he didn't give me. That's a little put in

1761
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 1: the word for you. I'm like, it's don't count on it. Man.

1762
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 4: You you you, You're one of my favorite human beings.

1763
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 4: It's like you said, man, you you, you come from

1764
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 4: that place. I think that we all come from.

1765
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 1: Man.

1766
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 4: I think we share that nuance. But we also man,

1767
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,480
Speaker 4: we we we are brothers and we've been families.

1768
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:12,599
Speaker 1: Sir for a long time. I'm glad I ran into

1769
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 1: you on that plane.

1770
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 2: Man.

1771
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that I got to, you know, come

1772
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:22,000
Speaker 1: here and and and just share a little more about,

1773
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, my story, because when you do, you don't

1774
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 1: really look back at your career. I know I didn't,

1775
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 1: and really, you know, think to myself and I really

1776
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 1: do anything, you know what I mean, And I look

1777
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: and I go, Man, historically, I mean, I was the

1778
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:40,599
Speaker 1: first hip hop dancer to transition from hip hop into

1779
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 1: television and film, before j Lo, before all of them.

1780
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, okay, I did that, you know.

1781
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 1: And I just look at the benchmarks and I just

1782
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,639
Speaker 1: thank you for let me just you know, talk about

1783
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit of it here anytime.

1784
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 4: And the music, yeah, yeah, he tapped back into the

1785
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 4: micro saw that right.

1786
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: Every now, everyone there a little bit every now and then. Man,

1787
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,640
Speaker 1: it's in my heart. I wanted to hit you in

1788
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: the here with a baby pottery man shelling you. You're horrible, Alexander.

1789
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 4: And this is the Everybody Podcast, the authority on all

1790
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 4: things r B.

1791
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and man, this is our loved one. This is brother.

1792
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 1: Thank you. Appreciate you, appreciate your brother. Appreciate