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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? How are we doing? John
Speaker 1: Middlecock three and Out podcast? Just watch Matt Stafford, Sean
Speaker 1: McVay and the Rams get a big win and they
Speaker 1: look a lot different, and I mean a lot different
Speaker 1: when you roll out Pooka Nakua and Cooper Cup because
Speaker 1: it opens up the running game, makes our passing game
Speaker 1: more explosive than Matt Stafford, you know, look like the
Speaker 1: star player that he is. He was, he was unreal. Honestly.
Speaker 1: The quarterback played at Now in general was really really good.
Speaker 1: I mean there weren't many incompletions. Sam only had had seven,
Speaker 1: threw a couple of touchdowns, no picks. He was pushing
Speaker 1: the ball down the field. That was a good Thursday
Speaker 1: night game because it was just well played offensively. So
Speaker 1: big win for the Rams. Their season is alive. And
Speaker 1: well the Vikings meanwhile lose two straight. I mean they
Speaker 1: lose two games in four days. That's tough to two. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Lions are a playoff team and the Rams were
Speaker 1: last year, and if they stay healthy, I think they'll
Speaker 1: be right back in the mix. But you lose your
Speaker 1: star left tackle, that hurts, I mean, because we all
Speaker 1: know there are certain things in sports that you do
Speaker 1: not replace. Obviously, quarterback is usually number one in season
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I would say left tackle is right
Speaker 1: behind him because the drop off from the backups. And
Speaker 1: and so we'll dive into this game, which which I enjoyed.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to start with Stafford because it really hit
Speaker 1: me tonight watching him play. He is so damn good
Speaker 1: at thirty six, it really is stupid. And for the
Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of his career he obviously was on the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions, who, in no world reflect the current version
Speaker 1: of the Lions. They were arguably the worst franchise in
Speaker 1: the league, and consistently right up there with one of
Speaker 1: the worst franchise in the league. Now, he had a
Speaker 1: couple good teams, but for the most part he played
Speaker 1: on a dysfunctional and mainly a relevant team. And you know,
Speaker 1: there was one player consistently in the league who always
Speaker 1: was a big supporter of mat and it was Rogers
Speaker 1: when he was on the Packers. Because obviously Rogers played
Speaker 1: him twice a year. But when you play someone, or
Speaker 1: when you're in a division with someone, because you play
Speaker 1: your the other two opponents so often as well. You
Speaker 1: see the guy on cross tape so often when you're
Speaker 1: studying the other defense, and he was always such a
Speaker 1: like I don't think people realize how good this guy is.
Speaker 1: And I think the sad part about Stafford's career and
Speaker 1: luckily we've got to see him with an elite coach.
Speaker 1: He won a Super Bowl, and he's got to play
Speaker 1: for playoff teams right twice so far with the Rams,
Speaker 1: and it's been awesome to watch him in these big games,
Speaker 1: in these meaningful games. But like, can you imagine if
Speaker 1: he would have been able to play for like the
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll Seahawks, or somehow been on the Steelers or
Speaker 1: the Ravens or just a well run franchise, the way
Speaker 1: we would talk about this player. I'm not saying we
Speaker 1: would say he's one of the greatest players of all time,
Speaker 1: but I think we would easily talk about him, like
Speaker 1: without hesitation, as one of the best players of his
Speaker 1: generation and no doubt about it, Hall of Famer. Now,
Speaker 1: his story is yet to be written. But this is
Speaker 1: a guy and you see him the night at thirty
Speaker 1: six years old, like the guy we're watching at thirty
Speaker 1: six years old. Imagine all the games that most of
Speaker 1: us never watched in his twenties. Now as you age
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, he's smarter than ever, right, and he
Speaker 1: still is a guy who is mistake prone. I would
Speaker 1: say his game is essentially the poor man's Brett Farv,
Speaker 1: and it's honestly closer to Farv than it is like
Speaker 1: being the divided by two version. But in terms of mobility, toughness,
Speaker 1: pocket awareness, ability to make every single throw and occasionally
Speaker 1: can throw a pick. Like tonight, they come out a halftime,
Speaker 1: it's tied fourteen fourteen. He's driving him right down the
Speaker 1: field and he throws a horrendous interception that is not
Speaker 1: even the close. And that's the thing with Stafford. He
Speaker 1: can have a play like that. You're like, where did
Speaker 1: that come from? That looks like something Deshaun Watson or
Speaker 1: Bryce Young or whoever the worst quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1: That's the throw they would make. Then he comes back
Speaker 1: on the next drive and misses two two at well
Speaker 1: down the sideline. It's like, that's a that's a touchdown
Speaker 1: and he knew it too, and then bing bang boom.
Speaker 1: A couple more drives, a couple more touchdowns, game over
Speaker 1: and throughout the game, he is just dominating. He's a
Speaker 1: fun player to watch, but I think for as fun
Speaker 1: as this Rams run has been. And I know there's
Speaker 1: been a little talk about him being traded. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna get traded, mainly because you see how good this
Speaker 1: offense is. I don't know when they get their two
Speaker 1: best wide receivers back. Also, Cooper Cup you watch him
Speaker 1: play and I know he's coming back off injury. He's
Speaker 1: not the same player as he once was. The gap
Speaker 1: between him and Pooka and this is no knock on
Speaker 1: Cooper Cooper. I mean Pooka went healthy because he's been
Speaker 1: a little out of sight, out of mind, I kind
Speaker 1: of forgotten. Like obviously, you know he's a really good player,
Speaker 1: the numbers he put up last year, but you're watching
Speaker 1: him night, You're like, holy shit, this guy is one
Speaker 1: of the best wide receivers in the league. You talk
Speaker 1: about you know, short and intermediate game. He can dominate
Speaker 1: over the middle of the field, the outs, the slants,
Speaker 1: the quick ends, and then he can work the sideline.
Speaker 1: He's such a physical blocker. I mean, he's just a
Speaker 1: complete player. The one knock on him is like you
Speaker 1: know in terms of quote unquote superstar. I wouldn't put
Speaker 1: him like there with Jamar Jefferson or I almost combined
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, but those two guys. But
Speaker 1: he is damn good, So you add him, you add
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. It spreads out their entire offense, which lets
Speaker 1: other guys eat because they're focusing on those guys. Also
Speaker 1: opens up the running game where they can't just stack
Speaker 1: the box because Matt Stafford's throwing to nobody. So Williams
Speaker 1: z Eaton and I almost runs for one hundred yards.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Blake Korhum fan, like that offense is
Speaker 1: legit when they're fully healthy. And this team's pretty damn
Speaker 1: good because they've built this young nucleus on defense. But
Speaker 1: it all gets back to Stafford because when you can
Speaker 1: ride a guy six years old who was that good
Speaker 1: and listen, this is not the NBA where in the
Speaker 1: middle of his Detroit Lions career, quarterbacks usually you just
Speaker 1: if you're a really good player. He was a number
Speaker 1: one overall pick, you just kind of get stuck. Now
Speaker 1: you get paid handsomely for it. I looked he made
Speaker 1: two hundred and nineteen million dollars for the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1: So while his career underachieved because of the organization, his
Speaker 1: bank account surely did not. But the best thing that
Speaker 1: ever happened to this man was to get traded to
Speaker 1: Sean McVay in the La Rams because he's not just
Speaker 1: on a real team now. The Lions are as well now,
Speaker 1: but I mean, they just made the NFC Championship game
Speaker 1: for the first time in thirty years, and this Rams team,
Speaker 1: if they can stay healthy, like Cooper, Cup's not getting traded.
Speaker 1: Why because his value isn't that high. I don't really
Speaker 1: think he has much trade value. Again, he's still a productive, solid,
Speaker 1: strong starter. Like tonight him he had five catches fifty
Speaker 1: one yards sleep The last catch when he got shoved
Speaker 1: out of bounds was not ideal, but he made a
Speaker 1: huge catch on the series before on third down to basically,
Speaker 1: you know, put the pseudo nail in the coffin and
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be like, John, what about the face mask
Speaker 1: at the end of the game. I'm sorry, I had
Speaker 1: bad no call should have been called, But I don't
Speaker 1: feel that much sympathy. I don't have that much faith.
Speaker 1: We'll get into the the big injury for Minnesota that
Speaker 1: they were gonna be able to drive down the field.
Speaker 1: But I get being a little angry, but ultimately they
Speaker 1: were pinned up against their Like the right team won
Speaker 1: this game. I'm with you, bad call, But tonight to
Speaker 1: me was about Matt Stafford. I mean, what a great
Speaker 1: chess match between Sean McVay and Brian Flores. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know the way that he was moving guys around. They
Speaker 1: used bunch formations to get guys open. McVeigh sometimes when
Speaker 1: these guys are all playing like mcvay's got a lot
Speaker 1: Andy Reid to him. I know he's considered a Shanahan guy,
Speaker 1: and even Gruden I would say, is you know, know
Speaker 1: likes to run the ball. McVeigh really wants to go
Speaker 1: four or five wide, get Stafford in the shotgun and
Speaker 1: sling that pill around. And tonight he hammered the run
Speaker 1: and he's stuck with it tonight and it was very,
Speaker 1: very effective. Offensively, they look fantastic. Now, it's a tough
Speaker 1: spot for Minnesota coming off a tough loss short week across.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a long ass flight and this is
Speaker 1: this gets back to last week where before I get
Speaker 1: off the Rams though, this is why coaching is so important.
Speaker 1: You lose Nakua who hadn't played, Cooper Cup gets injured
Speaker 1: pretty immediately, and you're able to just keep your head
Speaker 1: above water. Two and four is not ideal, but your
Speaker 1: season's kind of over if you're one in five, right,
Speaker 1: and that's where Obviously they beat the Raiders last week,
Speaker 1: but to me it was that niner win is huge
Speaker 1: because now they're three and four, they get, you know,
Speaker 1: this mini buy. They go to Seattle, who they're very
Speaker 1: comfortable playing and actually I think they match up pretty
Speaker 1: well against. Then they play the Dolphins, and then they
Speaker 1: play the Patriots in New England. So even if I'm
Speaker 1: being conservative, you're looking at a team if they stay healthy,
Speaker 1: worst case scenario they're five and five. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a chance they're six and four. And all these guys
Speaker 1: literally just did this right last year when they were
Speaker 1: three and six and then heading into the playoffs, they
Speaker 1: were one of the hottest teams in the league. And
Speaker 1: the other thing is adding Jared Verse to this defense,
Speaker 1: which was already really solid, Like it's very rare past rushers.
Speaker 1: I think people get very concerned, like with the Puka
Speaker 1: and Nakua types not super fast, you're gonna struggle to
Speaker 1: get open, and then you just know immediately you're like, well,
Speaker 1: it translates his play speed, his route running, his ball skills,
Speaker 1: his toughness, like you knew right away last year, like
Speaker 1: Pooka is a player. But those type guys make teams
Speaker 1: a little nervous, right, because they're just they're more dependent
Speaker 1: on things that aren't speed. But if you can get
Speaker 1: a open, you get open. It's no different with pass
Speaker 1: rushers who are power guys first. Right, A lot of
Speaker 1: teams lean like, obviously you want your defensive linemen and
Speaker 1: your edge rushers to have power, but if you have
Speaker 1: elite quickness, elite speed, that usually translates better because it's
Speaker 1: just hard to touch you, and then ultimately you can
Speaker 1: use your power off that well. Verse is a power
Speaker 1: first guy, and sometimes those guys in college don't translate
Speaker 1: because it's hard to just shove dudes around in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Kind of reminds me of Khalil Mack. Some similarities there,
Speaker 1: because early on in Khalil Mack's career he did not
Speaker 1: have many pass rush moves. But you know what translated
Speaker 1: immediately his power rush and you saw tonight when Darisol
Speaker 1: went out and he got Questenberry a couple times, just
Speaker 1: one on one. He shoved the guy into the air.
Speaker 1: Now that's a backup, but still he weighs three hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds. So young number zero was a good
Speaker 1: player for him last year as a rookie second year guy.
Speaker 1: I'm I mean they got a lot of frisky players
Speaker 1: up front. Obviously you lose Aaron Donald, which is huge,
Speaker 1: but in a weird way, like obviously non quarterback the
Speaker 1: star that Pooka is, it kind of shifted, and then
Speaker 1: they play as a group on defense. So I listen,
Speaker 1: I like the Rams coming into the season. Then they
Speaker 1: had so many injuries it was hard to take them seriously.
Speaker 1: But Sean McVay somehow won that forty nine er game,
Speaker 1: and that could be a big difference. At the end
Speaker 1: of the year they're a nine or ten win team
Speaker 1: instead of like an eight to nineteam So tonight, fantastic
Speaker 1: performance by Stafford and it's just fun to see him
Speaker 1: in games of the matter. On the flip side, like listen,
Speaker 1: I think Sam Donald for the most part was really
Speaker 1: damn good. If if JJ McCarthy over the next couple
Speaker 1: of years, looks as good as Sam Donald has looked
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. I think most Vikings fans would
Speaker 1: go like six to midnight. They would die for him
Speaker 1: to be this good, this explosive one. His pocket presence
Speaker 1: is really good. I mean how often he steps up
Speaker 1: and climbs in the pocket not to run. There was
Speaker 1: a throw to night in the red zone where they
Speaker 1: had to settle for a field goal where he climbed
Speaker 1: the pocket. This is when Darisaw was out and he
Speaker 1: hit who was it was it? Oh was Nailor And
Speaker 1: I mean he had to throw it, probably a little
Speaker 1: harder than he wanted, but this is the big leagues,
Speaker 1: like hit you in the in the chest, in the hands,
Speaker 1: even if he's semi close, like you gotta catch it.
Speaker 1: It was a fantastic play. But he was making a
Speaker 1: lot of throws over the middle of the field that
Speaker 1: looked exactly like Stafford stepping up in the pocket, throwing
Speaker 1: ropes to Jefferson. Obviously, he hit Aaron Jones down the
Speaker 1: sideline on the one. He hit Jefferson on a couple
Speaker 1: down the sidelines as well, Like I know he he
Speaker 1: didn't get the chance on the last drive because they
Speaker 1: called the safety on the play that should have been
Speaker 1: a fifteen yard penalty, and obviously on the drive before that,
Speaker 1: you know, they got kind of punked in terms of
Speaker 1: the offensive line. He was a sitting duck. But I
Speaker 1: thought for the most part, eighteen to twenty five, a
Speaker 1: couple touchdowns didn't really put the ball in harm's way
Speaker 1: like he has for ten million dollars. We've been talking
Speaker 1: a lot about Derrick Henry and the value he's had
Speaker 1: for the Ravens. Right for whatever they paid him a
Speaker 1: seven million dollar signing bonus and eight or nine million
Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed, you can't for a ten million dollar quote
Speaker 1: unquote bridge quarterback. I just don't think you can ask
Speaker 1: like this is as good as it gets. Honestly, this
Speaker 1: guy looks like a real NFL quarterback, and this guy's
Speaker 1: playing at such a high level. It's like, I know,
Speaker 1: you drafted a guy really high, but the likelihood that
Speaker 1: he's going to be that good next year, and who knows,
Speaker 1: I mean, you never know, and I'm bullsh on JJ McCarthy,
Speaker 1: but it's it's impossible to not be extremely The quarterback
Speaker 1: played a night for the most part, beside the one
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford interception for a Thursday night game was as
Speaker 1: good as you get it really, but obviously the story
Speaker 1: of the night for the Vikings you you lose Darrisaw.
Speaker 1: I mean a big reason Trent Williams held out was
Speaker 1: because when Darrisaw signed his massive contract, which I think
Speaker 1: pays like on average twenty eight million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: which is well deserved, He's like, well, I gotta get
Speaker 1: a little more in that because I'm the best left tackle.
Speaker 1: But you could make the argument that Darrisaw definitely is
Speaker 1: the best young left tackle. They're just is no replacing
Speaker 1: that guy. It's no different than a quarterback. Like Stafford
Speaker 1: goes down, You're just fucked. I mean, it's just period,
Speaker 1: point blank, end of story. It's just it's just over,
Speaker 1: you know immediately. I think it's a lot like that
Speaker 1: with superstar tackles, and there's a short list of them.
Speaker 1: You see it with Darrisaw. You you saw it earlier
Speaker 1: this year when Lane Johnson missed a game and they
Speaker 1: went to the backup that the drop off is just
Speaker 1: so gigantic. You saw it in the Giants game against
Speaker 1: the Eagles. They lose their left tackle, and it's like
Speaker 1: a free for all for the Eagles in the backfield.
Speaker 1: So that guy's a star. And if he has a
Speaker 1: major knee injury, that's just a crippling blow. Now I'm
Speaker 1: not acting like the Vikings won't win again, but I
Speaker 1: took them very seriously, Like in the first half of
Speaker 1: that game. I'm like, and I've thought this all season long,
Speaker 1: this is a team that can win a playoff game, right.
Speaker 1: This is a team whether they win the division or
Speaker 1: a wildcard team like this is real, super well coached,
Speaker 1: potent offensive weapons, running back, multiple wide receivers, good quarterback play,
Speaker 1: good offensive line. I don't think they have the most
Speaker 1: talent on defense, but they're super well coached. Obviously, Van
Speaker 1: Ginkle's a really good player. Their front just plays really hard.
Speaker 1: Their dbs, I mean, are relatively solid. Gilmore is older,
Speaker 1: but play well as a unit, try hard. But man,
Speaker 1: I just I think your borderline screwed. I mean, if
Speaker 1: that were to be a season injury, a season ending injury, like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't take you seriously at all anymore,
Speaker 1: because there's no plugging. There's no band aid that fills
Speaker 1: that gap. And you saw it as the game went on,
Speaker 1: the pressure from the left just amplified dramatically, and luckily
Speaker 1: Donald is a good athlete and he could move. But
Speaker 1: I mean, a huge part of their game is pushing
Speaker 1: the ball down the field because of Jefferson and Addison
Speaker 1: and just how good their wide receivers are and just
Speaker 1: how good their play caller is. But they showed Kevin
Speaker 1: O'Connell's face when Darisaw was laying on the ground and
Speaker 1: he tried to, you know, act like a coach, unfazed,
Speaker 1: but inside he had to be crying because if I
Speaker 1: was him, I just I would have been in tears.
Speaker 1: But my overall takeaway from this game is I think Stafford,
Speaker 1: in a weird way, still underappreciated, and I think a
Speaker 1: huge reason is for his Lion's tenure. And I think
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold has just been a revelation this season. He's
Speaker 1: been awesome. And that injury obviously beside winning. You know,
Speaker 1: the Rams win, big story. They got the they're healthy,
Speaker 1: but you lose Derosol. That's that's gonna be one of
Speaker 1: the biggest injuries of the season. Okay, let's hit on
Speaker 1: a couple other things that there was a story that
Speaker 1: came out today on ESPN that was centered around the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and fan tours. Now, obviously the Cowboys built this,
Speaker 1: you know, monstrosity of a practice facility that they call
Speaker 1: the Star, which by all accounts is incredible, and Jerry,
Speaker 1: one of the great showmans, gives tours to the fans,
Speaker 1: and obviously a lot of players, specifically Dak, were asked
Speaker 1: about it today, And before we get into Dak's comments,
Speaker 1: this whole like, to me, this story comes from and
Speaker 1: is created by the shit storm that Jerry has created.
Speaker 1: I feel like in these last couple of weeks, obviously
Speaker 1: his radio interviews won the thing that he did a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, getting into it with the guys,
Speaker 1: which people argue, like, that's not that abnormal, it's how
Speaker 1: angry he was just being asked basic questions after an
Speaker 1: ass kicking, and then this week essentially crushing the play
Speaker 1: calling and just destroying everything that it feels like that
Speaker 1: he's witnessing, like he's not the ultimate boss to me,
Speaker 1: has led to stories like this coming out And when
Speaker 1: you just say a facility does a fan tour, my
Speaker 1: first reaction is like, who cares? That is not a
Speaker 1: big deal. I can't speak to how the Eagles operate now,
Speaker 1: but when I was there, you could be in the
Speaker 1: lunch room and players could be eating and a dude
Speaker 1: from mar Couding could walk in, and you know, people
Speaker 1: were just mingling around. We're all human beings. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously you're not like taking pictures with him. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't that abnormal to just walk by random people. Now,
Speaker 1: I think there's a difference of having people that work
Speaker 1: in the organization and just having random fans. Ed Werder
Speaker 1: today took a picture being sarcastic about the whole, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of moment and topic and article. Where they do
Speaker 1: their press conferences, there's clearly open glass where you walk
Speaker 1: into the facility, and there was a fan tour going on,
Speaker 1: and there was a dude wearing a cowboy jersey with
Speaker 1: his family holding his little girl, waving at the media.
Speaker 1: It was just it was incredible. It made me chuckle.
Speaker 1: But ultimately they asked Dak about it, and he said
Speaker 1: that he thought it was stupid that anyone would make
Speaker 1: this an excuse. Like you walk by random people, you
Speaker 1: say hello, and you keep on rolling. It does not
Speaker 1: astract or lead to losing and I agree, like you're
Speaker 1: not playing bad defense because you know, Billy from Lubbock,
Speaker 1: Texas brought his family, brother and good buddies on a
Speaker 1: Cowboy tour of the facility. Now, I do think it
Speaker 1: represents like the Cowboys just have a lot going on.
Speaker 1: And right now they have people pointing fingers, anonymous sources
Speaker 1: in the building, Jerry going on record shitting on everybody,
Speaker 1: and they play on Sunday Night Football, and I do
Speaker 1: believe and they might just be so undermanned. Now the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers aren't exactly you know, playing with a
Speaker 1: full deck either, But that's the type game that if
Speaker 1: you lose, and especially lose handily, I'd be stunned if
Speaker 1: it looked like last year where they just got blown out.
Speaker 1: But if they lose by double digits and get embarrassed
Speaker 1: on Sunday Night Football, the number one show in America,
Speaker 1: I do just think this team could crumble, Like I
Speaker 1: just think they could fall apart. And I was someone
Speaker 1: I was wrong. I thought this would be a playoff team.
Speaker 1: Now I didn't think they'd win twelve games again, but
Speaker 1: I thought the culture, the talent they still have, they
Speaker 1: have a good quarterback Zimmer would be good with defense.
Speaker 1: I didn't know everyone would get injured, but they would
Speaker 1: win nine or ten games and be a wild card
Speaker 1: team and honestly compete for the division because I didn't
Speaker 1: think there was a team in the division that would
Speaker 1: run away with it numbers wise, though the Eagles obviously
Speaker 1: have more talent, didn't expect Washington to be this good.
Speaker 1: But regardless, like, you lose this game coming off of bye,
Speaker 1: especially if you get shoved around a little bit, which
Speaker 1: is gonna be a problem because they can't stop the run.
Speaker 1: And Kyle Shanahan is kind of a throwback. I mean,
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, he would He's like Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: He would run the ball eighty ninety percent of the
Speaker 1: time if he could on a given game, and when
Speaker 1: he gets the opportunity has no problem doing it. Then
Speaker 1: it feels like this team, and really this organization could
Speaker 1: just fall apart in the short term. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going under or whatever, obviously, I mean
Speaker 1: they make money hand over fists. I mean they make
Speaker 1: more money than any team in the league. But I've
Speaker 1: always I was like, I don't know, Al Davis two
Speaker 1: point zero, it does start to feel like it's becoming
Speaker 1: that a little bit. It's completely different, and it's more
Speaker 1: like a fortune five hundred company Al Davis two point
Speaker 1: zero because of how well the business is run and
Speaker 1: how big the product is. But in terms of the
Speaker 1: football team, in terms of the football stories, it does
Speaker 1: feel like they've jumped the shark and it's getting really,
Speaker 1: really weird. And I've known a few very successful people
Speaker 1: and as they got older, they usually don't change their
Speaker 1: ways and they tend to be stubborn people. And I
Speaker 1: obviously don't know people of the wealth level of Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: but I think they're all cut from the same cloth
Speaker 1: because you hold back and lean back and refuse to
Speaker 1: change because what you did thirty forty years ago is
Speaker 1: the reason you're sitting here right now. And Jerry ain't
Speaker 1: gonna change, just like Al Davis in his latter years
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna change. And when these guys have the amount
Speaker 1: of power they do, it's very unique. Like Jerry's the
Speaker 1: GM as well, same with Al, and they own the team. Literally,
Speaker 1: everyone that walks into the building, from player to coach,
Speaker 1: to intern to marketing guy to the front office assistant
Speaker 1: to the janitor, knows that guy is the top of
Speaker 1: the food chain. And once they start getting weird as
Speaker 1: Jerry is getting, it just feels like it's crumbled. It
Speaker 1: can crumble, and it might be crumbling in front of
Speaker 1: our eyes. But this notion that these tours in the
Speaker 1: building like this is a story that's irrelevant if you're
Speaker 1: five and two, do you know when the story's are relevant?
Speaker 1: The last three years when they had twelve wins, no
Speaker 1: one gave a shit about Billy from Austin and his
Speaker 1: family coming on a tour. You start losing, players start
Speaker 1: pointing the fingers, Things get leaked, and a story like this,
Speaker 1: which many would argue is kind of a non story,
Speaker 1: becomes a story and there is no ban dating or
Speaker 1: plugging these holes that are leaking and stopping this avalanche
Speaker 1: of just kind of negativity around especially and unlike Al Davis,
Speaker 1: Jerry's talking every week, multiple times a week, so it's
Speaker 1: only gonna grow. It's not like if they lose on
Speaker 1: Sunday Night to the Niners, what do you think Jerry's
Speaker 1: talking about on Tuesday, Like, everything's gonna be okay, we'll
Speaker 1: keep our heads high, We'll get this thing to get No,
Speaker 1: he's gonna keep doubling down. So I'm one of those
Speaker 1: people that have always like I'm not a Jerry Jones haater.
Speaker 1: I've always admired, honestly a story back from the way
Speaker 1: he bought the Cowboys, how quickly they turned around. I
Speaker 1: know it wasn't because of him, but like I grew
Speaker 1: up like it was the Niners versus the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: they were as big as any team in my youth,
Speaker 1: and rightfully so. They were a powerhouse led by him
Speaker 1: because he's got a big ego and he wanted everyone
Speaker 1: to know about it. And now it feels like in
Speaker 1: his early eighties he hasn't just lost his fastball, but
Speaker 1: he's starting to create these messes, like he's really becoming
Speaker 1: a part of this. And I you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was just that moment last year against
Speaker 1: Green Bay really rattled them. Really the last three losses,
Speaker 1: three years in a row in the playoffs have been really,
Speaker 1: really hard. You go back to twenty twenty one, they
Speaker 1: host the forty nine Ers, they're six and a half
Speaker 1: point favorite. Niners took it to him the following year
Speaker 1: they end Tom Brady's career. Dak has one of the
Speaker 1: greatest games of his career. Then they go toe to
Speaker 1: toe with the Niners and they lose that game because
Speaker 1: Dak throws a couple interceptions. Their defense was awesome, and
Speaker 1: then last year happened, which kind of feels like icing
Speaker 1: on the cake. Another thing that happened, speaking of the
Speaker 1: NFC East, is John Mara gave some comments at an event,
Speaker 1: and I think he's in a tough spot right because
Speaker 1: I can't imagine he's happy. He has to hear constantly
Speaker 1: about the Saquon thing, and then it literally just happens
Speaker 1: at his home stadium rushes for a buck seventy five.
Speaker 1: Then the video goes viral. He's like, it's almost like
Speaker 1: he waved the white flag for the Giants, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good, let them be, even though I doubt they.
Speaker 1: I mean, putting Saquon back in in that situation would
Speaker 1: have been very risky for Nick Sirianni and his job
Speaker 1: status if he were to get injured, you know, in
Speaker 1: a situation where you're killing someone just to rub it
Speaker 1: in their face like you already had. So luckily it
Speaker 1: just didn't happen. But I actually think it's worse just
Speaker 1: with the comments on the sideline of just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good man. These guys aren't worth it to me.
Speaker 1: And John Morrow essentially said this week that I do
Speaker 1: not anticipate and he changes this offseason, and I think
Speaker 1: he wants I've seen this for years with Mark Davis,
Speaker 1: Like Mark Davis would have done anything for Josh McDaniels
Speaker 1: to work out and it not to have gotten as
Speaker 1: bad as it got. Mark Davis would have paid millions
Speaker 1: of dollars for those emails on John Gruden to never
Speaker 1: come out, just so John Gruden could have been as
Speaker 1: head coach, even if they just became like a fringe
Speaker 1: playoff team over the course of a couple of years,
Speaker 1: for like seven, eight, nine years, these some of these
Speaker 1: owners want no part of firing people and going back
Speaker 1: on a search. And I do believe that he's being truthful,
Speaker 1: like he's essentially I don't want to do this. I
Speaker 1: do not want to fire these guys. I do think
Speaker 1: it's pretty hard to shake everything that happened this summer
Speaker 1: on that television show. If I'm a Giants fan, I
Speaker 1: just have a hard time taking Joe Shane seriously. That's
Speaker 1: one of the more jaw dropping television shows I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: When it comes to sports now, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: double edged sword because as a consumer and as a
Speaker 1: lover of football and just loving that content, it might
Speaker 1: be some of the best content I've ever seen. I
Speaker 1: was glued. If you would have told me off season
Speaker 1: New York Giants, how do you think it'll come out?
Speaker 1: I would have said ninety five percent. Chance would be
Speaker 1: awful and boring. Instead, it was elect it was must
Speaker 1: watch television if you liked you know, if you enjoyed
Speaker 1: the NFL, if you enjoy you know, if you play
Speaker 1: fantasy football. It's like, how does gms actually operate? And
Speaker 1: you're like, this can't be true. And in my experience,
Speaker 1: that's not the way it happens. And those aren't the
Speaker 1: conversations and how willy nilly, and it felt like they
Speaker 1: were just freelancing on the fly. But it's hard to
Speaker 1: shake that moment that we saw on TV where he
Speaker 1: said I don't think I could sleep if he goes
Speaker 1: to the Eagles, and Joe Shane not only said I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna go with the Eagles. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up with the Giants or excuse me,
Speaker 1: the Bears. Clearly he wants to like Brian Dable. He
Speaker 1: wants Brian Dable to work, but what if it's just
Speaker 1: not gonna work? Like, what if they just win one
Speaker 1: more game the rest of the season. Their offense is
Speaker 1: a mnemic and now losing their left tackle, they are
Speaker 1: going to get their quarterback killed and Brian daball I
Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones came out today and said that Brian
Speaker 1: Dable told him you're a quarterback moving forward regardless, Like
Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter whoever you're throwing out. He stinks
Speaker 1: he's not good enough. He throwed Drew Locke in this situation,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna look much better. It's a disaster and
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna be able to win many games
Speaker 1: when this is your situation. So I do believe John Marra,
Speaker 1: Like right now, he's like, God, I just want them
Speaker 1: to show some light. But what if they don't, And
Speaker 1: what if all of a sudden, we're drafting instead of
Speaker 1: sixth next year, we're drafting third. It's hard to feel
Speaker 1: great about rolling this back, but I do understand where
Speaker 1: he's coming from. I don't want to look at the
Speaker 1: guy like I'm also becoming Al Davis in the two thousands.
Speaker 1: I'm just firing people every two or three years. He
Speaker 1: went from three straight coaches they lasted two years. And
Speaker 1: if he were to fire everybody, these two these you
Speaker 1: knows GM and head coach would last three years. So
Speaker 1: in six three, in nine years, he would be on
Speaker 1: his fifth head coach post. Tom Coughlin like, that's a
Speaker 1: lot to handle. So I think this Giants thing is
Speaker 1: worth monitoring and something that just a story that's not
Speaker 1: going to go away. Last but not least because it's
Speaker 1: Fugazi Friday, I truly believe we saw one of the
Speaker 1: greatest f us we've ever seen night for the NBA.
Speaker 1: Happened Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, right first game of the season.
Speaker 1: Load management and guys sitting out is part of the sport.
Speaker 1: These teams like no longer care about the paying customer
Speaker 1: that they no longer care. We have seen that for
Speaker 1: years now. They will sit a guy if they just
Speaker 1: as whatever, just take the game off. Happens all the
Speaker 1: time and honestly throughout the regular season. As a if
Speaker 1: you're gonna buy a ticket at this point in time,
Speaker 1: that's on you. But Adam Silver, who you gotta give
Speaker 1: him credit somehow locked up a television deal despite their
Speaker 1: ratings going the opposite way at like almost triple the value.
Speaker 1: And one of his big partners who has been one
Speaker 1: of his biggest partners and most loyal partner, who talks
Speaker 1: about his league constantly as people DM me like why
Speaker 1: is their NBA live in August when football's going on
Speaker 1: and basketball's months away? They're in business with him and
Speaker 1: one of the biggest opening night games on national television
Speaker 1: is the Sixers at home hosting the Bucks. Two of
Speaker 1: the best players in the NBA, Jiannis and Joel Embiid,
Speaker 1: guys that have won an MVP. Now, the difference is
Speaker 1: Yiannis is a champion and a guy I would say
Speaker 1: universally respected. If you like sports, you go that guy
Speaker 1: plays his ass off. That guy gives everything he's got.
Speaker 1: Then there's Joel Embiid, who has never come remotely close
Speaker 1: to winning anything. He's never even been to the conference finals.
Speaker 1: James Harden takes a lot of shit Like James Harden,
Speaker 1: while he's underperformed relative to his regular season status, a
Speaker 1: little overrated, I think because the style doesn't translate the playoffs,
Speaker 1: has been to the conference finals, a couple times when
Speaker 1: he was the Alpha, let alone the finals when he
Speaker 1: was on Oklahoma City. Like he's had personal success and
Speaker 1: team success, j Weell Embids has zero team success. Honestly,
Speaker 1: they have kind of been the laughingstock of all the
Speaker 1: good teams in the league over the last six or
Speaker 1: seven years. To load manage game one, I think it's
Speaker 1: easy to blame the Sixers and listen, they deserve it.
Speaker 1: And if I'm Adam Silver, they gave me a middle finger.
Speaker 1: They essentially said, you're too big of a puss. I
Speaker 1: don't think you'll do anything, even though you've implemented new rules. Again,
Speaker 1: this isn't Christmas Week or you know, early December or
Speaker 1: January and you're playing Orlando and no one's paying attention,
Speaker 1: No one cares. This is game one all around the
Speaker 1: league yesterday. I look, guys are playing twenty five thirty
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes. Because unless you are the Boston Celtics
Speaker 1: who showed up and played their ass off the other night,
Speaker 1: this should be a big deal, even if you plan
Speaker 1: on load managing throughout the season. But Joel Embiid, who
Speaker 1: by all accounts and reports is fully healthy, sat out
Speaker 1: Game one. His team got bounced in the playoffs in
Speaker 1: the first round last season, so he didn't play the
Speaker 1: second round, he didn't play the third round, he didn't
Speaker 1: play obviously in the finals. He barely even played in
Speaker 1: the Olympics. So this is a guy who has not
Speaker 1: played forever. You would think against one of his quote
Speaker 1: unquote equals or peers in Giannis on National TV in
Speaker 1: the history of my life watching sports. Obviously, football is
Speaker 1: not even comparable to the NBA anymore because no one
Speaker 1: load manages, and anyone plays if they can't. But let's
Speaker 1: just use basketball. All the players I grew up on,
Speaker 1: I'm not even more removed Michael Jordan. Just go the
Speaker 1: other guys that won MVPs over that period, the David Robinson's,
Speaker 1: the Charles Barklays, the Kobe Bryants, the Shacks, the teams,
Speaker 1: you name it, the most famous people when I was
Speaker 1: a kid like kind of that group. Beside Michael, can
Speaker 1: you imagine them getting bounced in the first round and
Speaker 1: then them sitting out game one to load it's the
Speaker 1: first at home. I think it's unprecedented territory. I really do.
Speaker 1: Other guys aren't playing, like Kawhi Leonard Well he gets
Speaker 1: knee surgery like every six months. Is hard to tell
Speaker 1: if he's load managing or injured. Of course it is
Speaker 1: because he misses a lot of games, but he clearly
Speaker 1: gets surgery all the time. Paul George, who also didn't
Speaker 1: play for the Sixers, got injured in the preseason, so
Speaker 1: like he legitimately hyper stand to his knee. This guy,
Speaker 1: by all accounts, every NBA reporter like, yeah, he's healthy,
Speaker 1: and now the NBA is investigating. If I was Adam Silver,
Speaker 1: the fu you just showed me after I did everything
Speaker 1: humanly possible to get our league so much money about
Speaker 1: to flow in these next ten years, that these players
Speaker 1: are gonna be making eighty to ninety one hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: guys like Joel Embi, who currently makes fifty one million dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about it, Fugazi the Sixers. The
Speaker 1: organization is a joke. It really is. And that was
Speaker 1: I thought, in the history of load management, probably the
Speaker 1: lowest moment for the NBA. And if I'm Adam Silver,
Speaker 1: like there's no I can't suspend anybody because I want
Speaker 1: this guy to play. I am throwing a historic fine
Speaker 1: at the organization, which hopefully just pisses the owner off
Speaker 1: and makes him get on the guys. And maybe the owner,
Speaker 1: now that he's in the NFL, doesn't even care. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: hit me up later in the season. I'm gonna focus
Speaker 1: on my football team. But what a joke. Okay, back
Speaker 1: at it again with my main man, Stucky, and we
Speaker 1: were all over some underdogs last week. But rule and
Speaker 1: no one should ever compare Riola to Mahomes again until
Speaker 1: he does something meaningful. But we've got a lot going on.
Speaker 1: We don't have the greatest slate in the NFL matchup wise,
Speaker 1: but that's why they made gambling. College has some very
Speaker 1: interesting games. We have the World Series starting on Friday night,
Speaker 1: where you can get the Yankees as a dog at
Speaker 1: plus one oh five, which which I'm tempted to do.
Speaker 1: But Stucky, how you doing? Bro?
Speaker 3: Going on to there.
Speaker 1: Got any thoughts in the World Series?
Speaker 3: I played the Yankees small, nothing big, but I took
Speaker 3: them as a dog.
Speaker 1: I wish that number was a little higher, like if
Speaker 1: it was like plus one fifty or something. You know,
Speaker 1: if the Dodgers were a little better, I would feel
Speaker 1: a little more inclined. It's not all lines presenting here
Speaker 1: by DraftKings, you know, plus one oh five. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's great value for an underdog. It would
Speaker 1: be my initial take as someone who is gonna put
Speaker 1: money in the Yankees as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like my thought process is that I
Speaker 3: just don't know if the Dodgers have the pitching. I mean,
Speaker 3: just look at look at Game one. It's Garrett Cole
Speaker 3: versus Priority, who's looked awful. And so I think that,
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to have just a bet on
Speaker 3: the sweat the whole series, and I think the Yankees.
Speaker 1: Said Game one.
Speaker 3: So I died through some of the Yankees as an underdog.
Speaker 1: Think how many I saw some of the prices for
Speaker 1: Yankee tickets in New York. I mean they're just astronomical.
Speaker 1: Plus there's so many East Coasters that live either in
Speaker 1: Southern California, Northern California, Arizona, Vegas. Who I'm with some
Speaker 1: cash that I'm sure there are gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of Yankee fans there Friday night. Yeah, so that's that
Speaker 1: there's a little variance there. So yeah, I like the
Speaker 1: Yankees as well. Let's where do you want to start?
Speaker 1: I guess really quick looking back on last week. You
Speaker 1: know in the NFL, the Lions that that was a
Speaker 1: pretty massive win. But I also think, you know we're
Speaker 1: recording this before Thursday night. I think Minnesota showed out
Speaker 1: pretty well. It's clear that division is freaking good because
Speaker 1: the Packers I thought thoroughly outplayed them, but you muffle punt,
Speaker 1: Jordan throws an awful pick that they returned to the
Speaker 1: eleven as well. You know, to me, they played that
Speaker 1: same game ten times. I think the Packers win comfortably
Speaker 1: the majority of them. Are you in agreement there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Texans just couldn't protect Stroud, couldn't
Speaker 3: move the ball consistently. They really missed Nico Collins. They
Speaker 3: have inefficient, inefficient play calling on early downs. But yeah,
Speaker 3: green Bay looked good. Tricky spot this this this weekend
Speaker 3: at at Jacksonville. Just like after that game, division game
Speaker 3: on deck going down to Sparti humidity. I did play
Speaker 3: some Jags, but that numbers come too far down. Packers
Speaker 3: special teams that are going to be an issue all year,
Speaker 3: but they have that That division is is loaded and
Speaker 3: there's lots of good coach is too. Like that's what
Speaker 3: makes that that division even more intriguing. So yeah, all those.
Speaker 1: Divisional all their all their divisional matchup field like playoff games,
Speaker 1: don't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you have you have good home field
Speaker 3: advantages too, like good at I mean, it's it's good.
Speaker 3: It's it's nice when that division is good. Yeah, we've
Speaker 3: seen the switch in the Like we talked about this
Speaker 3: before the year with the NFC versus the a f C,
Speaker 3: I mean the the a f C. Man, there are
Speaker 3: some bad, bad teams in the a f C. And
Speaker 3: like the Chiefs are undefeated, but they have looked. I
Speaker 3: mean it's not like they're overwhelming teams and they keep
Speaker 3: playing teams that get hurt. But I mean their offense
Speaker 3: is pretty limited. But I mean you have teams like
Speaker 3: the Raiders, the Titans, the Browns, the Patriots, like the
Speaker 3: I mean the Dolphins. Their situation is going to get
Speaker 3: better with two of this week. But that the AFC,
Speaker 3: just from top to bottom, I think it might have
Speaker 3: been passed by the NFC.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the division winners on DraftKings. If you
Speaker 1: look at the North, obviously the Lions are currently favored.
Speaker 1: You can get the Packers. The Lions are plus one thirty.
Speaker 1: The Vikings are plus one seventy five. You know the
Speaker 1: Packers right now are plus three eighty. I do think
Speaker 1: there's some value there. I mean, I think their offense
Speaker 1: is freaking good and defensively endless and obviously, like you said,
Speaker 1: they're missing Ego Collins. I do you know you add
Speaker 1: Sauliz's boy, you add him in the mix. I do
Speaker 1: think they're clearly a little bit better and feel a
Speaker 1: little I have a little more confidence in their defense
Speaker 1: just with half lead than I did with Joe Berry
Speaker 1: because it's kind of similar players, right, It's not like
Speaker 1: it's not like they added Reggie White to the mix.
Speaker 1: But I'm a believer in the Packers. I think they're
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, I think this would be I think
Speaker 1: they can win the NFC, Like I don't think with
Speaker 1: Aiden missing. We'll see if they like I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: they trade for like Miles Garrett or something. Then I
Speaker 1: look at the lines exactly like I did before the season.
Speaker 1: But until they get that solidified, like that is a
Speaker 1: problem for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the I mean they don't, they don't luck out
Speaker 3: schedule wise. I mean, this would be the time to
Speaker 3: buy them, because you do they you know, they're at
Speaker 3: Jackson they're favored, and then they host Detroit and that's
Speaker 3: one of the few games this year where Detroit has
Speaker 3: outdoor goth and who turns into a pumpkin in any
Speaker 3: type of weather.
Speaker 1: Outdoors, so gets it, gets it early, though, you know
Speaker 1: it's not I think last week it looked pretty sunny
Speaker 1: and they kept saying on the broadcast, like, what a
Speaker 1: this is the greatest October day in the history of lambo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what the could change fast. That'll be
Speaker 3: worth watching. Then they have a bide and they're at Chicago.
Speaker 3: They're home against San Francisco. We'll see how healthy San
Speaker 3: Francisco is. And to get Miami at home like outdoor
Speaker 3: team late November, which helps. So they're at Detroit, at
Speaker 3: Seattle home against New Orleans. Maybe New Orleans is healthier
Speaker 3: than at Minnesota than home against Chicago. So the skeed
Speaker 3: isn't easy. But I think now's the time to buy
Speaker 3: Green Bay if you'd like them for the division. I
Speaker 3: definitely think they're alive. This thing should be an award
Speaker 3: at the end. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I might actually just sprinkle a little that that number
Speaker 1: seems like to me their number should be much closer
Speaker 1: should be at least hand in hand or right there
Speaker 1: with the Vikings, not double the Vikings number like that
Speaker 1: feels a little I agree.
Speaker 3: I would also bet that because I think the Rams
Speaker 3: have a shot to win tonight and that would be
Speaker 3: a loss. The Packers already beat the Rams, so you know,
Speaker 3: the the Vikings losing that game. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: there might be down to like two and a half
Speaker 3: point favorites. But this is a tough spot tonight, or.
Speaker 1: You'll look like a genius when this comes out on Friday,
Speaker 1: if you're right. I think actually a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not as much off the Vikings. I
Speaker 1: actually think that was a pretty impressive loss and Darnold
Speaker 1: looked pretty good. And like you said, the coaching staffs
Speaker 1: in the division, but specifically their coaching staff obviously offensively
Speaker 1: that you know they're players, but you know, I smoking
Speaker 1: mirrors feels a little strong, but like they're probably more
Speaker 1: likely to be like a good eleven and sixteen than
Speaker 1: some powerhouse thirteen win team, right, I agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm not off the Vikings that this is
Speaker 3: just it's a tricky spot. You know, with healthier los
Speaker 3: angele you know, get cut back and even a short
Speaker 3: week after that effort going out to the West Coast
Speaker 3: Rams trying to save their season. Wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 3: the Vikings dropped that game, and then the Packers outs
Speaker 3: will come down a bit.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just dive into some games this weekend. We's
Speaker 1: start with my man, Jim Harbaugh, who had one of
Speaker 1: his uh just classic meltdowns the other night, which was
Speaker 1: just freaking awesome that some of the you know officiating
Speaker 1: in that game at the end, it just makes me
Speaker 1: want to puke. But they get the Saints this week,
Speaker 1: who are in complete shambles, who are starting Spencer Ratler,
Speaker 1: who was I guess I haven't talked to you since
Speaker 1: they played last right, because Thursday night was atrocious in
Speaker 1: that game. The Saints, honestly what I've been right on
Speaker 1: my preseason prediction on them. Who knows, but they have
Speaker 1: no freaking chance once they literally lose every good player
Speaker 1: on their team. I just think mentor for the for Harbaugh,
Speaker 1: one thing Jim and John do a great job of
Speaker 1: is just fucking hiring and finding these coaches. Obviously, he's
Speaker 1: gone back and forth. He has been awesome, and if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for a freak run of Kyler Murray. Like
Speaker 1: the Chargers defense was excellent in that game. So I
Speaker 1: just don't see how the Saints can even operate. Now,
Speaker 1: seven points for a team that struggles to score touchdowns
Speaker 1: is obviously a little concerning. But clearly we've seen a
Speaker 1: little flip the last couple weeks of some of these
Speaker 1: favorites gain a little more control. This is more of
Speaker 1: an I meant of betting against the Saints than it
Speaker 1: is like a huge believer in the Chargers being a powerhouse. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think when the dust leedtles they end up more
Speaker 1: likely it's like the seventh seed. But but still like
Speaker 1: at this current point, they are just way better in
Speaker 1: the Saints. The coach coaching mismatch here is huge. I
Speaker 1: think the Saints are just I mean, they're not circling
Speaker 1: the drain. They're basically going down it right now. I
Speaker 1: like a minus seven the Chargers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's seven, I I would it feels big.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of point.
Speaker 3: I forget it's like the Chargers on the team. I'd
Speaker 3: like the back as a big favorite just because of
Speaker 3: their style of play. They're like I think the hardball
Speaker 3: is a great coach, but I you know, he kicked
Speaker 3: a field goal on fourth and breath that I thought
Speaker 3: they should have went for it with like ten minutes
Speaker 3: to go. But they're like they their offense is just
Speaker 3: there's the ceiling is pretty low just because of the
Speaker 3: weapons they have. I'm I'm curious just to watch this
Speaker 3: injury record, Like you have a lot of guys on
Speaker 3: the charge, Like what weapons are the Chargers gonna have?
Speaker 3: Like he I think yesterday we're recording this on Thursday,
Speaker 3: Like McConkey, Will Disley, who was like the go to
Speaker 3: guy last week, Darius Davis, Quinton Johnson, all those guys
Speaker 3: didn't practice, Like who are they going to have to
Speaker 3: throw the ball to? And then on the Saint side,
Speaker 3: like who's gonna play? Like they have about ten starters
Speaker 3: that are that were limited in practice yesterday, Like from
Speaker 3: it looks like Latimore is gonna play, which will help
Speaker 3: with like Juwan Johnson, Kamara, Taysom hill, A Lave a
Speaker 3: couple of their offensive linemen. So like who are the
Speaker 3: Saints gonna get back? Because if they're if they have
Speaker 3: their shell unit again, then yeah, it's it's hard to
Speaker 3: envision them being competitive in this game, So watch the
Speaker 3: injury report game. For me, I couldn't bet the Saints
Speaker 3: as of right now, but generally speaking, Chargers not a
Speaker 3: team I'm running into the window to bet as a
Speaker 3: bigger favor.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean similar Vaine. Here the Chiefs, who who
Speaker 1: aren't exactly light in the world on fire with touchdowns,
Speaker 1: do add DeAndre Hopkins, who I think they officially announced
Speaker 1: Thursday morning. On Wednesday, Andy Reid was asked about it,
Speaker 1: like after the trade had already been broken. He's like,
Speaker 1: I know nothing about it. Classic big fella, but I
Speaker 1: would imagine DeAndre Hopkins. They will immediately play him now
Speaker 1: how much I mean he'll get. They'll just tell him
Speaker 1: plays in the huddle. They're playing the Raiders. They stayed
Speaker 1: in Vegas, so they played the forty nine ers. They
Speaker 1: flew to Vegas. They've been out there all week long.
Speaker 1: Last year, To me, typically this number you'd be like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a weird spot for the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: but Vegas humiliated them on Christmas, and then I think
Speaker 1: it's probably more overblown on like social media, the thing
Speaker 1: that the Raiders did with talking shit about Mahomes. But
Speaker 1: I also think it's an easy one for them. I
Speaker 1: think this is going to be very, very difficult for
Speaker 1: the Raiders to budge past the fifty yard line. Now
Speaker 1: concern anything, He is like, can they score enough points
Speaker 1: to cover this number, which as of this morning on
Speaker 1: draftings was nine and a half. Obviously, Crosby will be
Speaker 1: a problem that their tackles haven't been great, But I
Speaker 1: just I could see this defense absolutely smothering Minshew, who
Speaker 1: just stinks.
Speaker 3: I actually play the Raiders. I played some plus ten.
Speaker 3: It's just I mean, like, yeah, I get the social
Speaker 3: media thing last year, but what are the Chiefs gonna do,
Speaker 3: like Fry play harder on offense? Like their their offense
Speaker 3: is just so limited. Maybe Hopkins might help a little bit,
Speaker 3: but he's not gonna like provide that explosive option might
Speaker 3: play like ten fifteen snaps. I don't know if he
Speaker 3: even plays on Sunday. The Chiefs they're I mean, they're
Speaker 3: the least explosive offense in NFL. They're really efficient. They're
Speaker 3: like if they're just beating teams with efficiency, their d's
Speaker 3: playing well. But I will say, like if you I
Speaker 3: think their defense might be a bit overrated, I love Spags,
Speaker 3: but I mean they also another they lost Steve in
Speaker 3: the offseason. They also another corner in Watson who got
Speaker 3: hurt now and he's out, and every week everyone gets
Speaker 3: hurt who they play against. Like, you go back to
Speaker 3: the Falcon, the Falcons should have beat them if they
Speaker 3: get a PI call converted any those four tenths. Falcons
Speaker 3: lose two of their starting offensive linemen in that game
Speaker 3: in the first half and still almost won the game. Bengals,
Speaker 3: playing without t Higgins should have beat the Chiefs earlier
Speaker 3: this season if you know they don't get that PI
Speaker 3: call or there's a defensive scoop and score. They played
Speaker 3: the Chargers when Herbert was banged up without his offensive
Speaker 3: lineman and they don't have any weapons. They played the
Speaker 3: Saints who had all kinds of injuries, and they played
Speaker 3: the forty nine Ers who lose all their receivers during
Speaker 3: the game, and you're basically playing like the forty nine
Speaker 3: ers practice squad. So yeah, the Raiders aren't a great offense.
Speaker 3: Maybe you get Meyers back, you can throw it to Bowers,
Speaker 3: but just ten in a divisional game after that, forty
Speaker 3: nine Ers win for an offense that's still extremely limited.
Speaker 3: I had to take it. Do I feel great about it? No,
Speaker 3: it's big coaching this match. But Pierce will kick some
Speaker 3: field goals for me when you shouldn't, which might help
Speaker 3: get the Raiders of the window, which it did last week.
Speaker 3: Like last week, I guess he was just trying to cover,
Speaker 3: not beat the Rams. But I had to take the ten.
Speaker 3: I mean, you go, you go back. I played the four.
Speaker 1: We're starting to get We're starting to get some numbers
Speaker 1: that are getting pretty big. I mean, that's that's the
Speaker 1: thing that makes me uncomfortable the next game. Same thing.
Speaker 1: It's just like that is a lot of points. Like
Speaker 1: you can be up seventeen if they score right, or
Speaker 1: be up fourteen, and if they score a touchdown the game,
Speaker 1: you know, with four minutes left to go in the game,
Speaker 1: even when you kick their ass, that's where you get screwed.
Speaker 1: I've been gambling long enough to know. I just I
Speaker 1: think there are some shitty, shitty teams in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now, and I think we are closer than typically
Speaker 1: normal to get in some not one, two, three cancoons,
Speaker 1: but just disastrous situations with some of these squads. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure the Raiders I'm sure out of Carolina.
Speaker 3: It feels like the bottom of the NFL is worse
Speaker 3: than usual, Like there's more I think.
Speaker 1: I think coaching plays a part in that. Like Antonio Pierce,
Speaker 1: when's the last time a guy, I mean, the guy's
Speaker 1: been coaching like five years ever gets canalis. I mean
Speaker 1: I think some of the coaches drawed mail same thing.
Speaker 1: He's been coaching five years. I mean he's like these
Speaker 1: guys then they don't call plays or do anything, so
Speaker 1: it's like, what's even going on? Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Some of its injuries, like the Panthers have no one
Speaker 3: left on their roster, like from on their defense too,
Speaker 3: And I mean then now they're back to bryce young
Speaker 3: they've been just crushed by the injury. But but yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: The coaching, it feels like college. The parody. There's more
Speaker 3: parody now than there's been in a while in the NFL,
Speaker 3: there's less. But just for what it's worth, home dogs
Speaker 3: of ten plus historically in the NFL fifty seven percent
Speaker 3: against the spread. It's it's very difficult to cover ten
Speaker 3: plus spreads in the NFL. Mahone James as a favorite
Speaker 3: of more than seven sixteen, twenty one and two against
Speaker 3: the spread. As a favorite of more than ten, it's
Speaker 3: a double digit favorite. He's nine fourteen and two against
Speaker 3: the spread thirty nine percent. The other thing when you're
Speaker 3: laying a big number with the Chiefs is like they
Speaker 3: could they could be up you know, say they're up
Speaker 3: seven late or up ten. They're really good at just
Speaker 3: running the clock out and they're not explosive, like they're
Speaker 3: not gonna bring it, but they can just go on
Speaker 3: a seven minute drive and then they're they're taking knees.
Speaker 1: But he's really turned in more of these last couple
Speaker 1: of years, which is not Andy's mo O, but it's
Speaker 1: just because of the squad, the roster that he has
Speaker 1: much more like a hardball brother, right or like an
Speaker 1: old school Mike Tomlin, like Andy at its core wants
Speaker 1: to throw it all the time. I mean looking at
Speaker 1: the numbers. I was looking yesterday when I do the
Speaker 1: podcast for when they traded for DeAndre Hopkins. Like you said,
Speaker 1: they sneaky or they're really good on third down, so
Speaker 1: it's like their offense has been efficient, but on first
Speaker 1: down passes they're like closer to twenty than they are ten.
Speaker 1: And it shows you like he just knows. I mean
Speaker 1: that goes back to Pachaco and even now the Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt has looked better. I just got to play to
Speaker 1: the strength of my team. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, like he would ideally love to have three
Speaker 1: or four sweet wide receivers and throw it all the
Speaker 1: time and score thirty eight on your ass, Like that's
Speaker 1: how he wants to play. Like Jim Harbaugh at his
Speaker 1: core would run at every play if he could. Like
Speaker 1: Andy at his core now, he likes a physical defense.
Speaker 1: It's not like he has soft teams. But he wants
Speaker 1: to pass. But it doesn't make as much sense when
Speaker 1: it's best wide receiver right now is a twenty one
Speaker 1: year old four to two guy that you know. I
Speaker 1: think they're still trying to figure out exactly how to
Speaker 1: use them. Yeah, I mean, I think you saw that
Speaker 1: last week when Mahomes overthrow a Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mahomes is six touchdowns and eight interceptions. Somehow he's
Speaker 3: the MVP favor But on the ear, like their offense
Speaker 3: is get off with Checko Brown Roshi writes the huge
Speaker 3: loss like Kelsey's not in full playoff shape yet, Like
Speaker 3: the offense is very limited. They just want to like
Speaker 3: that's what makes it tough to lay a big number.
Speaker 3: Then they just want to like grind it down the field.
Speaker 1: They convinced me, I'm staying away. I'm staying away from
Speaker 1: that this this though. Listen, Denver is worse on offense
Speaker 1: than the Chiefs, but they are minus They're minus nine
Speaker 1: and a half at home against Andy Dalton, who gets
Speaker 1: in a car accident. Luckily he's okay, but he hurt
Speaker 1: his thumb, So maybe sprain your thumb. You can't grab
Speaker 1: the ball. They go announced on Wednesday they're going with
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. If you truly believe Bryce Young stinks and
Speaker 1: it's gonna just be one of the worst players we've
Speaker 1: seen in recent memory that was drafted that high. Denver's
Speaker 1: defense is good on the road and mile high. This
Speaker 1: is a tough spot for him. I mean, they could
Speaker 1: not function on offense with him those first couple of games.
Speaker 1: Now maybe he's had a chance to take a deep breath.
Speaker 1: I don't really know how you get your confidence back
Speaker 1: just hanging out in the meeting rooms and playing scout
Speaker 1: team quarterback. But I'm tempted here to take Denver as
Speaker 1: just a bet less about Sean Payton, because I actually
Speaker 1: think bo Nicks has been a little shaky for a
Speaker 1: guy that's twenty four with seven hundred million career starts,
Speaker 1: like I would expected him to be a little more consistent,
Speaker 1: been a little concerning. But I I just what I've
Speaker 1: witnessed out of Bryce Young the first year and a half.
Speaker 1: It's not like anything else change. It's he's not coming back.
Speaker 1: Like there are seven more sweet offensive guys. Obviously their
Speaker 1: defense blows, but I think this is a tough spot
Speaker 1: to start. If you're him, I.
Speaker 3: Don't mind this one. If you want to up the three,
Speaker 3: this would be my preference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, would it be the same number if
Speaker 1: Dalton was starting, No, it.
Speaker 3: Would be Dalton is a couple of points better. Seven Yeah,
Speaker 3: probably seven. I mean, look, yeah, bo Nix has not
Speaker 3: been great. He's been a a garbage time merchant. So
Speaker 3: like a lot of his stats have come in complete
Speaker 3: garbage time. Like you look at that Chargers game, like
Speaker 3: they were down twenty one to nothing and then he
Speaker 3: put up a bunch of yards when the Chargers were
Speaker 3: kind of playing soft.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that good against Saints, did
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 3: But so like laying needing bough knicks. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean Marcus Marioto looked like Tom Brady last week. At
Speaker 3: is this Panthers defense has. I mean, they were bad
Speaker 3: to start with, and they have so many injuries it's
Speaker 3: hard anyone can move the ball on them, like the
Speaker 3: Broncos should be the ball on them. And then you
Speaker 3: get us have Bryce Young is not shown me anything
Speaker 3: until proven otherwise that he's nothing but one of the
Speaker 3: worst starting quarterbacks we've ever seen. Broccos also gets certained
Speaker 3: back who just makes their defense, takes it to another level.
Speaker 3: He'll shadow Deontay Johnson. What are the Panthers going to
Speaker 3: do here? Yeah, this could be like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: twenty four to three or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple other games. This one's interesting, obviously, It's
Speaker 1: it's been hard to judge Miami. I was a believer
Speaker 1: coming into the season, assuming Tua played seventeen games, this
Speaker 1: was a team that was gonna take a step back.
Speaker 1: I didn't think they were gonna be a playoff team,
Speaker 1: like seven eight wins from where they've been. Obviously, you
Speaker 1: remove him with the with the Snoop Huntley and Tim Boyle,
Speaker 1: It's it's a joke, you get to a back, you know.
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill says he wanted to cry when they told him. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's a huge boost relative to what they've been playing with, right,
Speaker 1: I mean the gap between Tua, even though I'm not
Speaker 1: the biggest to a guy, and those cats is fucking wide.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I still don't think Miami's I still don't think Miami's
Speaker 1: very good. And it's not like Arizona's great either, but
Speaker 1: one advantage they have even this time of year. And
Speaker 1: this is why I think you're interested in Jacksonville too.
Speaker 1: It's still hot down there and everything. Well, it's ninety
Speaker 1: degrees where I'm at, So it's not like Arizona. Guys,
Speaker 1: aren't you ual? I understand it's a little different heat, humidity,
Speaker 1: but it's not. Is that humid right now in Florida.
Speaker 1: It's just more hot. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it is superhumid,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I have a hard time. I
Speaker 1: kind of like Arizona in this spot plus three and
Speaker 1: a half. And this coming from someone who doesn't really
Speaker 1: love Arizona. But the problem with Arizona is, like last
Speaker 1: week against Chargers, like they have some games where they
Speaker 1: really show some fight they did against the Niners, they
Speaker 1: did against the Chargers. You're like in some of their
Speaker 1: I mean, James Connor's a good player, tradement, Bride's a
Speaker 1: good player. Obviously, Kyler is a mother to play against.
Speaker 1: But then they have games where they just kind of
Speaker 1: lay down so that they're a little you know, two
Speaker 1: face that way, which which it's tough to gamble on.
Speaker 1: But it's it's more like, I just don't. I don't
Speaker 1: buy Miami.
Speaker 3: I loved the often tire I played them in three.
Speaker 3: I still play them in three and a half. I
Speaker 3: think that they're just super undervalued now getting to it
Speaker 3: back now there is some uncertainty with he was out
Speaker 3: for an extended time coming back from concussion, so maybe
Speaker 3: there's a slight dip in production. But how is this
Speaker 3: I don't I just don't know how this Arizona defense,
Speaker 3: who lost another guy. They've had so many injuries. Guard
Speaker 3: Deck is now out for the year. He's their best
Speaker 3: good rusher. Yeah he's out. They don't get any pressure
Speaker 3: bottom three pressure right now. You lose Guard Deck. That's
Speaker 3: the way that you have to get You have to
Speaker 3: stop this Miami offensive too. At the helm is you
Speaker 3: have to get pressure. Arizona's incapable of getting pressure. Their
Speaker 3: secondary is terrible. I don't know how they get any stops.
Speaker 3: And what does this Miami team do with Tua. We've
Speaker 3: seen it for years. They beat this shit out of
Speaker 3: bad defenses. They turtle up when they play a good
Speaker 3: defense and get pressure. But so Miami does at home
Speaker 3: against a bad team and a bad defense. I mean
Speaker 3: two is seventeen and ten against the spread verse teams
Speaker 3: under five hundred and sixty three percent covered by about
Speaker 3: five points per game, as a favorite against teams under
Speaker 3: five hundred seventy percent against the sparat fifteen and seven.
Speaker 3: This is just what they do. The Cardinals defense is awful,
Speaker 3: the only defense in the league allowing in success rate
Speaker 3: over fifty percent. I just don't have to get it stops.
Speaker 3: It's not a great spot. You're going across the country
Speaker 3: in a short week and if you look like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they have three wins. They caught the Rams in a
Speaker 3: great spot after that Lion's overtime game and the ret
Speaker 3: and said so many injuries had just decimated roster. They're
Speaker 3: other ones. San Francisco lost its kickers. The only reason
Speaker 3: they win that game, and there was a fumble and
Speaker 3: fluky last week they should have lost to the Chargers.
Speaker 3: There's three huge fumbles in that game. Kyler gets picked
Speaker 3: returned in Arizona territory, the defender gets stripped, Arizona recovers it.
Speaker 3: Chargers then get the ball in their next session, go
Speaker 3: right down the field, about to score touchdown, fumble it
Speaker 3: for a touchback in the end zone, Arizona's only touchdown drive.
Speaker 3: They fumble it, somehow recover it. Three game changing fund
Speaker 3: they recovered them all. They let Herbert throw for three
Speaker 3: to fifty. Who was he throwing to? Will Disley and Fojoco?
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Mconukee.
Speaker 3: Everyone all over seas were urt so like and the
Speaker 3: Heath threw for three to fifty. So there's no reason
Speaker 3: why this Miami offense can't cook here. And the one
Speaker 3: thing Miami's defense is doing well and their metrics aok
Speaker 3: good like their top ten success rate, and they played
Speaker 3: some bad quarterbacks like, but they're able to get pressure
Speaker 3: up the middle. That's really how you disrupt Kyler. I
Speaker 3: think it's a good, get right game for Miami. This
Speaker 3: game was if this game was earlier this season. Two
Speaker 3: it never gets hurt. Miami won a few more games,
Speaker 3: Miami would be like a six to seven point favorite here.
Speaker 3: So I like the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking me out a lot of these things. Okay,
Speaker 1: the slate you know on papers is not great, and
Speaker 1: even the hype games Niners against Dallas. I meet these
Speaker 1: two teams, you know, for two playoff teams, probably there
Speaker 1: are probably a pretty rough couple of weeks. Obviously Dallas,
Speaker 1: you got Jerry talking a bunch of shit. Forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers have a million injuries. I mean, Deebo goes to hospital,
Speaker 1: I uk has just knee snapped. I listen, I will
Speaker 1: never ever place put money on the forty nine Ers
Speaker 1: against Chiefs. Ever again, I've done it twice now in
Speaker 1: the last I don't know, eight months, and I might
Speaker 1: as well have just lit the money on fire. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is a spot like we'll have to see who's healthy.
Speaker 1: I mean, now Kittle's on the injury port. Nick Boast
Speaker 1: is on the injuryport for elbow. I still think all
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna play. But you know, the Deebo situation,
Speaker 1: I would imagine, you know, being sick, He's not like
Speaker 1: he's gonna practice much this week. So even if he's
Speaker 1: ready to play, how al rusty is he? Juwan jennings
Speaker 1: hip is an issue. Now. The Cowboys defense, it, you know,
Speaker 1: is if safe to say it's probably unlikely that that
Speaker 1: Mike is gonna play in this game. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's what it's what it feels like. So their defense
Speaker 1: is atrocious. But I don't know. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a game, this is a stay away from me. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Niners should win obviously. Whoever loses this game is
Speaker 1: gonna feel really really bad. If the Niners were to
Speaker 1: lose this game, like you convinced me like this is
Speaker 1: just this season's just a disaster and they're gonna end
Speaker 1: up like eight to nine and just I don't even know,
Speaker 1: it'd be speechless at the end of it. But you
Speaker 1: win this game, take a deep breath, and maybe you
Speaker 1: can get the train back on the tracks. Now they
Speaker 1: got Tampa coming up. Who's just lost? I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you even function if you're Tampa Bay moving forward?
Speaker 1: That sucks. But this is to me, like most people
Speaker 1: didn't believe in Dallas anyway, this is a must at
Speaker 1: home against this Dallas Cowboy team. Must win for the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. Yeah.
Speaker 3: II the fort niners last week too. I mean I
Speaker 3: played again. I played at minus one to close three.
Speaker 3: They lose all their receivers. I mean, like, what do
Speaker 3: you it's like a three or four point drop off
Speaker 3: with that you're throwing to nobody's Now those you know,
Speaker 3: Coling and what's his name? Their draft pick Pierce zero
Speaker 3: career catches coming into that game. So we'll never know
Speaker 3: how that game would have played out if the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers were healthy. So you know, I I this
Speaker 3: is tough to who's gonna play like if Jennings is out?
Speaker 3: I don't think Debo is gonna play like fluid in
Speaker 3: his lungs.
Speaker 1: Ayuk, I'm not, I'm not. I wouldn't feel great about
Speaker 1: Jennings playing. I mean he was out obviously Sunday, and
Speaker 1: then he missed practice Wednesdays. Clearly, this isn't like just
Speaker 1: some nick and bruise like a hipie. That makes me
Speaker 1: pretty nervous.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't even know he's gonna be out last
Speaker 3: week either.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, gosh, I bet the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: I faded Mahomes the dog. I think I'm gonna get Jennings,
Speaker 3: Ayuk and Debo in there, and none of them are
Speaker 3: out there after one quarter. So yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: can't play the forty nine ers just because of all
Speaker 3: those guys are out and kittles banged up and there's
Speaker 3: still no McCaffrey. I can't lay points with them. The
Speaker 3: way I would look here is potentially the under the
Speaker 3: Cowboys could get some other pieces back on defense. They're
Speaker 3: coming off a buye. They're they're calling out by their
Speaker 3: you know, local media for two weeks after getting I mean,
Speaker 3: their defense was embarrassed.
Speaker 1: It was like a high school you mean there, you mean,
Speaker 1: their owner on with their local media calling them out
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, so I would think that their defense plays a
Speaker 3: bit inspired here. And if the forty hours of all
Speaker 3: these injuries, like it's it's not gonna be exposed all
Speaker 3: this four hours is gonna play slow, probably play conservative.
Speaker 3: And then the other side of the ball, the way
Speaker 3: to attack this forty nine Ers defense, The best way
Speaker 3: to attack them, you know, because of some of the
Speaker 3: injuries on the defense line, is to run the ball
Speaker 3: against them. Cowboys can't run the ball. So I think
Speaker 3: this projects is a lower scoring game. Forty nine ers
Speaker 3: being conservative, playing slow, relying on their run game, and
Speaker 3: you can run on on Dallas regardless of who's back there,
Speaker 3: so they can. They're gonna probably have some you know,
Speaker 3: long methodical drives, and I'm curious to see that. What
Speaker 3: made it even worse having a bet on the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers is if if obviously, if I knew that deep,
Speaker 3: if if the market knew that Debo ayukn and uh Chiefs,
Speaker 3: I mean, the chief probably would have would have definitely
Speaker 3: been favored. But in that circumstance, Kyle would have at
Speaker 3: least had time to game plan right, like you probably
Speaker 3: have had so many plays and build around Debo ayuk,
Speaker 3: and like you have these guys who have never played,
Speaker 3: so at least he has time now to prepare for
Speaker 3: some of these losses. But it's still not great, So
Speaker 3: I couldn't lay it with the forty nine ers. This
Speaker 3: spread probably would have been around seven, you know, six
Speaker 3: to seven if the forty nine ers were healthy. You know,
Speaker 3: you've seen it come down, which you know, two to
Speaker 3: three points, which I think is fair for all their injuries.
Speaker 3: So I think the line is close to right, but
Speaker 3: I would look the under I think this is profile
Speaker 3: is a lower scoring game.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's fire over to college. Let's just start.
Speaker 1: I mean, Friday night, we have a massive game in Vegas.
Speaker 1: You know, Boise playing unlv U and lv's good. I
Speaker 1: mean that they're a close loss away from being right
Speaker 1: there with Boise. Of like, this is a playoff eliminator
Speaker 1: almost between these two teams. You know, Boise minus three
Speaker 1: and a half they're running back is freaking incredible. They
Speaker 1: win this game, it's like that they are going to
Speaker 1: have a very very good chance to be one of
Speaker 1: those playoff teams. H what's your take here. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm tempted to take un l V plus the points.
Speaker 1: I've watched him a bunch of year. I think un
Speaker 1: lv is pretty good and Boise's X factor is just
Speaker 1: I mean, they have a top two or three player
Speaker 1: in the country. I mean, that's how that's how good
Speaker 1: this guy's been. So it's it's hard sometimes in college
Speaker 1: more than the NFL. It's like sometimes you's got to
Speaker 1: ride that guy, you know, until he proves you, proves
Speaker 1: you wrong. When he's just got you know, one of
Speaker 1: those magical and we've seen it a lot of times
Speaker 1: in our lifetime and that's so that's my hesitation here.
Speaker 1: It's like all of a sudden, gent goes for two hundred.
Speaker 1: But the one thing is UNLV's defense has been really
Speaker 1: good this season. Obviously Berry Odam's a defensive guy. This
Speaker 1: is a great college football game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I like Boise earlier in the week. Now
Speaker 3: that the spread is over three, I could only take
Speaker 3: the UNLV. I mean I think that the spread, the
Speaker 3: right spread is probably three. Like this is one of
Speaker 3: those games where if it's under three, you look at Boise,
Speaker 3: if it's overfield goal, you might look at UNLV. I
Speaker 3: don't have a strong take on it. I will say
Speaker 3: this spot and well, by the way, if anyone cares
Speaker 3: the other two NFL side, I like where the Browns
Speaker 3: and Bengals this week. But the spot for Boise is
Speaker 3: pretty good in that they had to buy last week,
Speaker 3: so they had two weeks to prepare for their biggest
Speaker 3: game of the season the Mountain West for college twelve plus,
Speaker 3: So you can see some wrinkles. Whereas UNLV, you know
Speaker 3: you had they played Syracuse D's on the field for
Speaker 3: ninety plays, go to overtime in that game, then they
Speaker 3: go too altitude in Utah State, their d's on the
Speaker 3: field for ninety plays, starters playing almost all the way
Speaker 3: to the end. Then they go to Corvallis play Oregon State.
Speaker 3: That game comes down to the last play of the game,
Speaker 3: so their d might just be extremely faticuted, which is
Speaker 3: not ideal for Gente, who is on pace to run
Speaker 3: for over fifteen hundred yards after first contact, which would
Speaker 3: be an NCAA record by a large margin. So fifteen
Speaker 3: hund yards after first contact, that's crazy, insane, So like,
Speaker 3: are you going to see more mistackles and I mean
Speaker 3: and more explosive runs. The Boise defense isn't great on
Speaker 3: the back end. So you know, Ricky White, who's a
Speaker 3: potential future NFL receiver, one of the best the group
Speaker 3: of five level Michigan State transfer. He could have a
Speaker 3: big day. But the Boise State defense, the one thing
Speaker 3: that they do well is get after the quarterback. They
Speaker 3: lead the nation in sacks. Hodgemily Williams has been much
Speaker 3: worse under pressure, and the difference in this game might
Speaker 3: just be that Boise is able to create a few
Speaker 3: more negative plays with their pressure and Boise you know
Speaker 3: and force you and I'll be into like known third,
Speaker 3: known passing situations on third and long, and make their
Speaker 3: third downs much supperware as you have Gent and Boys
Speaker 3: is going to be in much more manageable third downs.
Speaker 3: But it should just be a fun game. There should
Speaker 3: be a ton of scoring back and forth. It's a
Speaker 3: good live betting game, like a team that goes up
Speaker 3: first look at the other team. I think both offenses
Speaker 3: could have success, but cut them out. I think Boise
Speaker 3: wins because Gent's that good. It's a good spot for Boise,
Speaker 3: and I think Boise gets enough pressure and creates enough
Speaker 3: havoc in negative plays to put you and V behind
Speaker 3: the sticks on enough plays on enough drives where they're
Speaker 3: eventually kno gonna end him points, whereas Boise with Gent
Speaker 3: won't have as much issues with that.
Speaker 1: I read this profile piece on Gent in the Athletic
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and Boise fired their coach
Speaker 1: kind of toward the middle end of the season last year,
Speaker 1: right like it wasn't at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: so he entered the transfer portal for a split second,
Speaker 1: and then they ended up just keeping. I think Daniel
Speaker 1: Danielson is that the head coach's name as the guy
Speaker 1: and they were close, but he was being offered. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's not hard to figure out, like what teams
Speaker 1: have seven figures to offer running backs, but he was.
Speaker 1: They were throwing offers left and right, and Boise because
Speaker 1: of his relationship with this guy, and maybe that's a
Speaker 1: big reason that helped him keep the job. You know,
Speaker 1: they kept him and they could really only pay him
Speaker 1: guarantee him three hundred grand. It made me reading this
Speaker 1: articles like this is he's like a comes from an
Speaker 1: army background, his dad was in the military. Really really
Speaker 1: impressive guy. I mean, because he easily could have gone
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Texas, Ole, miss you name it right, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Like it's they're only a handful of teams that could
Speaker 1: just offer running backs from Boise State's seven figures. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm reading that article, I like him even more.
Speaker 3: But the big the boys boys, that's the book. Boise
Speaker 3: last year started off two and three, well three and
Speaker 3: five of four and six maybe, And this is a
Speaker 3: team that's hat a winning record for like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: twenty five straight years, and then they fired their coach.
Speaker 3: They I think it was after they lost this horrible
Speaker 3: game to Colorado State that they never should have lost
Speaker 3: a crazy game on like a hail Mary. They were
Speaker 3: up thirty to ten with four minutes to go and lost,
Speaker 3: and they they were able to rally and they won.
Speaker 3: They won three straight to n the year and then
Speaker 3: beat UNLV in the Mountain West champions. They put up
Speaker 3: forty four. They want to know they won the game
Speaker 3: forty four to twenty. JENTI ren for one to fifty three.
Speaker 1: So and they're only lost this year. Is the a
Speaker 1: tight game to.
Speaker 3: Oregon argue we should have won. Oregon had two kick
Speaker 3: return touchdowns in that game, So yeah, I did. But
Speaker 3: the play the reason they rallied, and it was I
Speaker 3: thought boiss on after that Colorado State loss, I thought
Speaker 3: they were on like quit Watch. But I know some
Speaker 3: people close to the Boisse program. The players loved Danielson.
Speaker 3: They rallied for him, and yeah, they that was obviously
Speaker 3: a huge driver and keeping Jenks. I was shocked, shocked
Speaker 3: that they were able to keep him. I thought he's
Speaker 3: been the best back in the country for years and
Speaker 3: I was like, boys, he's not gonna be able to
Speaker 3: compete financially with somebod these other programs.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he loved the coach like they were.
Speaker 1: They become tight and they were like in the article
Speaker 1: said they were going to church together. Do you know
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator is a Boise.
Speaker 3: Derk cutter, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How about obviously he for people that don't know
Speaker 1: legend well before, like Dan Hawkins and Chris Peterson, he
Speaker 1: was one of the original guys that got the program
Speaker 1: humming from like D one double A too, because they
Speaker 1: were originally like a junior college way back in the day,
Speaker 1: I think, and then they bumped up and once they
Speaker 1: got to Division one, that's kind of put that guy
Speaker 1: on the map. And then you know he's shit. I
Speaker 1: mean he was an NFL head coach for a minute,
Speaker 1: was he? Yes, the Bucks? Jamis the Bucks? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he they hired him as like an
Speaker 3: offensive analyst in twenty twenty two and then he said
Speaker 3: he was retiring.
Speaker 1: They's sixty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the I think he was the interim
Speaker 3: heead coach too in twenty twenty two for a bit,
Speaker 3: and then he they got him to come out of
Speaker 3: retirement for this year to be the offensive coordat on
Speaker 3: quarterbacks coach. A legend in the Boise area for his
Speaker 3: time there and now building this program up. I think
Speaker 3: he was their late nineties, So yeah, I mean credit
Speaker 3: to genty. The only thing I just hope, like obviously
Speaker 3: he still got paid, but he didn't get as much
Speaker 3: as he could. I just hope he doesn't get hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and because he's going to be dynamic in the NFL,
Speaker 3: because he also can do a ton out of the
Speaker 3: backfield catching the ball as well.
Speaker 1: The upset special this week that a lot of people
Speaker 1: are circling, you can get Navy right now at MetLife
Speaker 1: Stadium against the Notre Dame Fighting Irish at uh on
Speaker 1: DraftKings this morning. It was plus four to ten, which
Speaker 1: means it's a little bit over four to one. And
Speaker 1: this is a team that obviously the Army and Navy,
Speaker 1: isn't fair to say are two of the bigger stories. No,
Speaker 1: unlike top five teams in the country this year both
Speaker 1: undefeated and I just I haven't watched either of these
Speaker 1: teams play beside hearing a bunch of people that you know,
Speaker 1: diehard college football people talk about it. But their schedule
Speaker 1: has been pretty shitty, but they score a lot of points,
Speaker 1: and that plus four to ten feels a little tasty
Speaker 1: for a team that I think. I mean, it's been
Speaker 1: one of the more overrated teams in recent memory. And
Speaker 1: like we had talked about before, we jumped on that,
Speaker 1: this is a team now with Margus Freeman who has
Speaker 1: just lost some pretty big upsets, and it's fair to
Speaker 1: say this team is better than some of those teams
Speaker 1: that he's lost to. In Marshall, remember was it two
Speaker 1: years ago? He should have lost a cow. I think
Speaker 1: they had a field goal blocked or something at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: I forget the exact sperience, but Marshall, Yeah, Northern Illinois
Speaker 3: earlier this year. Yeah, no, Army Navy too.
Speaker 1: The difference I would say in those games, I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone's picking an IU or Marshall. You know, it
Speaker 1: feels like a lot of people are on Navy. Like
Speaker 1: the games he has lost, everyone thought he was gonna
Speaker 1: kick ass. This does feel like a lot of people
Speaker 1: are like kind of thinking that's the spot, which does
Speaker 1: make me a little nervous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean it probably probably means it.
Speaker 3: I mean, Navy has their attention. They're ranked right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: undefeated's I don't mind sprinkling on the money line on
Speaker 3: Navy and Armies. The Army is gonna play Notre Dame
Speaker 3: in November as well. They could be undefeated. I mean
Speaker 3: they play air Force, was horrendous at North Texas. Be
Speaker 3: tough because North Texas is a really good offense. But
Speaker 3: they win those two games. Cause they're in a bye
Speaker 3: this week, they'll be undefeated playing Notre Dame in November.
Speaker 3: Army really good quarterback in Bryson Dally who's there. They
Speaker 3: run more of your traditional triple option, but Bryson Daley
Speaker 3: has been really efficient throwing the ball and like play
Speaker 3: action deep shots, but name he has. They hired a
Speaker 3: new offense coordinator, Drew Chronic from Mercer, and he is
Speaker 3: a kind of as his dad was originally a student
Speaker 3: of the Delaware wing Tea, which was University Delaware n
Speaker 3: forever was actually originated in the state of Maine way
Speaker 3: back in the day. And he it's it was a model.
Speaker 3: He ran a modified wing tea Delaware wing Tea at Mercer,
Speaker 3: a lot of motion misdirection and uh just kind of
Speaker 3: like a modern version of the Delaware wing Tea. Navy
Speaker 3: hired him as their offense coordinator. He's kind of merged
Speaker 3: at it's like a spread triple option modified modern Delaware
Speaker 3: wing tea.
Speaker 1: A quarterback throw.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The quarter their quarterbacks playing really well. They're they're
Speaker 3: just scheming guys wide open all over the place and
Speaker 3: defenses just have no idea where to look. And you know,
Speaker 3: so you'll still see there that you're normal triple option
Speaker 3: at times, but it's a much more entertaining offense with
Speaker 3: a lot more play action, motion misdirection, a lot more throwing.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a lot of people watching this game.
Speaker 1: It's ABC nine am West Coast kickoff, like it's it's
Speaker 1: probably the biggest morning game by a mile. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of eyeballs on this bad boy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean the Navy's quarterback, Blake quarterback I think leads
Speaker 3: the country in QBR. He's forty six of seventy two,
Speaker 3: including sixty four percent best for nine hundred yards, ten touchdowns,
Speaker 3: one interception.
Speaker 1: The Navy record, it's like a shadoor game. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Navy record though for touchdowns in a season is
Speaker 3: I think Malcolm Pari have like thirteen. So that's gonna
Speaker 3: be quarterback's gonna beat that now. I don't mind the money.
Speaker 3: That's because it's hard to gauge, which makes this game
Speaker 3: difficult for me to handicap is it's hard to gauge,
Speaker 3: like navies usually always intriguing as a double digit under
Speaker 3: do all the service academies are because they shortened the
Speaker 3: game down. They play slow. It's limited possessions. But this isn't,
Speaker 3: you know, your typical triple option offense, because they're gonna
Speaker 3: throw a bit more so it's not as slow. They
Speaker 3: do it more potential. But they really haven't played anybody,
Speaker 3: so it's hard to get. And they've been really lucky
Speaker 3: with turnovers in I mean last week against Charlotte they
Speaker 3: put up fifty one. They had thirty eight points before
Speaker 3: and they only ran three plays in their own territory.
Speaker 3: Like Charlotte turned it over in the first five possessions
Speaker 3: of the game. So like they've been really lucky. And
Speaker 3: they played nope, I mean they played Charlotte. Air Force
Speaker 3: is way down, UAB is a joke, Temple is bad,
Speaker 3: and Buck Noll. The one game they did play of
Speaker 3: a serious team is Memphis, and they won that game
Speaker 3: at home fifty six to forty four, but Memphis put
Speaker 3: up seven hundred yards, so the Navy defense is definitely vulnerable.
Speaker 3: They lost in Notre Dame forty two to three over
Speaker 3: in Ireland.
Speaker 1: How many yards were I mean in that game had
Speaker 1: to be like fifteen hundred.
Speaker 3: Navy I think had six hundred. Yeah, Memphis had six sixty,
Speaker 3: maybe had five seventy. Jesus wild game. So yeah, Navy
Speaker 3: on fifty six forty four under point scored. So it's
Speaker 3: hard to gauge just how how bad is their d
Speaker 3: and their offense, Like Memphis d is not great. Notre
Speaker 3: Dames defense is really good and they've played a top
Speaker 3: twenty schedule, like they've played good offenses, and their defense
Speaker 3: is legit. They have NFL guys, they have a really
Speaker 3: good defensive coordinator. So there's a chance that just Notre
Speaker 3: Dame with their talent, because Navy's defense has been questionable
Speaker 3: and Notre Dame's offense is getting a little bit better
Speaker 3: Riley Leonard's getting a little better, more used to the system,
Speaker 3: that they're just going to be able to run wild
Speaker 3: and then navyes enough to stack the box. It's gonna
Speaker 3: set up some deep shots and not means the receivers
Speaker 3: aren't like great like you know, some of the elite
Speaker 3: teams in the country, but they're gonna have an advantage
Speaker 3: over Navy's corners. So there's a concern that there's a
Speaker 3: blowout risk here, but it's there's a lot of uncertainty.
Speaker 3: So I don't mind when you have a ton of
Speaker 3: uncertainty with a double digit dog, I don't I don't
Speaker 3: mind sprinkling on Navy, put on a you know, wrap
Speaker 3: yourself in an American flag. I'm assuming that this game
Speaker 3: has a met life. By the way, I'm assuming that
Speaker 3: they're gonna have a flyover before the game and have
Speaker 3: a little sprinkle on Navy money line. I don't mind.
Speaker 3: It should be a fun game.
Speaker 1: I think you're getting flyovers, you're getting parachuters in, you're
Speaker 1: you're getting you're getting at all and so yeah, you may.
Speaker 3: People that people have met like something that cheer about
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: Good point. Uh you had a bold prediction. I think
Speaker 1: before the season kicked off, the Panthers would go that's uh, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll pretend that didn't happen. You said that, Techa and
Speaker 1: m if they beat Notre Dame will be a playoff team.
Speaker 1: And I think if you just pulled the casual like
Speaker 1: football fan, you say, who's in first place right now?
Speaker 1: In the SEC? I think, non, like SEC guy, right,
Speaker 1: just football guys living where I live, living where you live?
Speaker 1: Maybe I guess you kind of live Kentucky. I know
Speaker 1: you guys are in the SEC. Doesn't quite feel like
Speaker 1: SEC country. Is that fair to say.
Speaker 3: People you know people here would have the basketball standings?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I think everyone will say Georgia. Well, it
Speaker 1: turns out Georgia is not in first place. It's Texa,
Speaker 1: A and M and LSU because neither of them have
Speaker 1: lost a conference game and they play each other this week.
Speaker 1: And looking at your A and M thoughts, if they
Speaker 1: win this week, they still got Texas, But could they
Speaker 1: lose that game? If they did it in kind of
Speaker 1: impressive fashion, they probably are a playoff team. And in LSU,
Speaker 1: if they were to win this game, like, could they
Speaker 1: then lose to Alabama and still be a playoff team?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: So it's like this is a whoever wins this game
Speaker 1: has a direct freaking path to the playoffs. Honestly, if
Speaker 1: A and M wins this, I think, like, are we
Speaker 1: talking about a team that could win the SEC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, I mean I bet that. I bet
Speaker 3: that was my I bet them and Clemson to make
Speaker 3: the College well before the season because I was.
Speaker 1: Like, what are you feeling right now?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean by the logic was I was like,
Speaker 3: maybe Clemson could beat Georgia. They got they lost by
Speaker 3: fifty and then I was like, I think tax Cynam
Speaker 3: is going to be an Entre Dame. Well none of
Speaker 3: those happened.
Speaker 1: But is Clemson in if they run the table and
Speaker 1: then lose to Miami in the championship game?
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, if they go eleven and one, I mean
Speaker 3: they're there. One loss would be to Georgia, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then their next loss will be to Miami in the AC
Speaker 3: championship game. Yeah. I think if either LSU or TEXTA
Speaker 3: A and m go ten and two, they're in. So
Speaker 3: winning this game gives you a pass. Now, Texas A
Speaker 3: and M getting Texas in the last game of the season.
Speaker 3: Obviously that game's at home and Texas if Texas runs
Speaker 3: the TA from here on al and Texas has like
Speaker 3: Texas at ten and two is in Texas vandied in
Speaker 3: Florida than Arkansas and Kentucky. So they could be ten
Speaker 3: and one and like they'd be in so Texas A
Speaker 3: and M. Even if they drop a game, they might
Speaker 3: get like Texas being like, well, we'll say they could
Speaker 3: be where they playing for the SEC. But there is
Speaker 3: a chance like Texas is not incentivized as much as
Speaker 3: they might be in other years.
Speaker 1: Because winning the winning the conference championship gives you a buye, right,
Speaker 1: so it is a big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll see like where they are, where they
Speaker 3: are if they can get to the SEC championship game,
Speaker 3: or where they stand. But it's just worth mentioning like
Speaker 3: you could have some of that with a new expanded
Speaker 3: cultural playoff. And I think you're gonna see more more
Speaker 3: upsets because that just like the sense of urgency for
Speaker 3: some of these teams. It's just it's little things that's
Speaker 3: like preparation during the week, right, like knowing in the
Speaker 3: back of your head that you can drop a game,
Speaker 3: whereas in the old college bolts, one game you lose,
Speaker 3: you're done, You're done. I think like you're gonna see
Speaker 3: more upsets like Vandy beating Alabama, but you're gonna see
Speaker 3: more of that in the new college football landscape. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I will say TEXANAM. But they win this game,
Speaker 3: I can tell you next week. I'll be telling you
Speaker 3: about a bet I'll have on South Carolina next week
Speaker 3: at home against Texas A and M. That's a tricky game,
Speaker 3: especially if they beat LSU and they're flying high. Probably
Speaker 3: get some value in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: These you guys know each other too, right, I mean
Speaker 1: Elko worked for Brian Kelly at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another interesting angle. It's a tough game for
Speaker 3: me to handy. Come in LSU. They've looked better. Their
Speaker 3: defense is playing better. They hire the highest paid defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator in the country and the off season, Blake Baker.
Speaker 3: He's gotten that unit. They're playing much better. They're young
Speaker 3: guys than the defensive line with weeks at linebackers playing
Speaker 3: like an All American. And their offense, I mean, nus
Speaker 3: Meyer is a really good player. It's a really good
Speaker 3: quarterback as great command of the offense. One of the
Speaker 3: great matchups to watch this game. TEXANAM is eight defensive line.
Speaker 3: LSU is a great ass protecting offensive line. With the
Speaker 3: number of NFL guys, number of NFL guys going up
Speaker 3: against each other, who can win that battle. But Nasmyer
Speaker 3: has been amazing and avoiding sacks and that's I think
Speaker 3: a key to this game. But LSU, like, yes, they've
Speaker 3: looked a lot better. They should have lost Ole Miss
Speaker 3: I'd a bet on that game got lucky. They should
Speaker 3: have lost that South Carolina or bailed out by the
Speaker 3: wrest Like this is a team that you know, and
Speaker 3: they lost to USC. I know it was Week one,
Speaker 3: but this is a team Easily you could argue that
Speaker 3: should have three losses in Texas, A and M. You know,
Speaker 3: they could have lost to Arkansas. They would only beat
Speaker 3: Bowling Green at home by six. So they've been kind
Speaker 3: of chuckling high.
Speaker 1: Have they had the season that USC has not had.
Speaker 1: They've been in these close games, it's gone their way.
Speaker 1: USC has been in all these close games where they've
Speaker 1: been winning late and they fucked up. You know, it's
Speaker 1: the margin for ara. I think USC on the whole
Speaker 1: is worse than LSU, but I think it's kind of
Speaker 1: similar to that, Like USC easily could be like you know,
Speaker 1: five and two or something like, they're not they're not
Speaker 1: getting their ass kick here in.
Speaker 3: These no I mean they've plonned fourteen point leads. In
Speaker 3: back to back weeks, including one to ben State, and
Speaker 3: then last week they get up field goal block that
Speaker 3: would have clinched the game. But yeah, tex A MS
Speaker 3: is hard for me to figure out. Like they've also
Speaker 3: had to two different quarterbacks, right Wegman was hurt. They
Speaker 3: went to Marcel Reed, it was more of a running quarterback.
Speaker 3: They went back to Wegman, who has a lot of talent,
Speaker 3: but he's he's webbing out and he saw him in
Speaker 3: the Notre Dame game unplayable. I mean, one of the
Speaker 3: worst quarterback performances of the season. I know that the
Speaker 3: Notre Daddas is good, but he was he looked like
Speaker 3: he was seeing ghosts out there. Then against Missouri, I mean,
Speaker 3: they go back to him and he looks flawless, looks
Speaker 3: like a first round draft pick. You went eighteen to
Speaker 3: twenty two for two eighty against Missouri. He was not
Speaker 3: an elital eite. That's been a good se defense. And
Speaker 3: then last week aas Missippi State looked a little sloppy.
Speaker 3: So which version of Connor Wegman do you get? I mean,
Speaker 3: last last week against Mississippi State, it's not an elite defense.
Speaker 3: He went fifteen to twenty five for two hundred through
Speaker 3: two picks. So I don't know which.
Speaker 1: Version do you think. I do think it's tough to
Speaker 1: play on the road in the SEC, even against these
Speaker 1: shitty teams. Like it's just you know, like the Missouri
Speaker 1: game right there playing in the college station. I was
Speaker 1: watching that and they killed them. You go on the road.
Speaker 1: I again, I'm not trying to I remember watching in
Speaker 1: that Week one game against Notre Dame like this is
Speaker 1: the worst player I've ever seen. My point is that
Speaker 1: I think sometimes with college kids, and I'm as guilty
Speaker 1: as anyone with this, like oh you're shitty. It's like
Speaker 1: it is difficult to play on the road in these
Speaker 1: environments for sure.
Speaker 3: And I guess those it was a tough spot too.
Speaker 3: They were coming off a Missouri and they knew that
Speaker 3: LSU on deck. Uh you know. But I think a
Speaker 3: lot of this comes down to I mean, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be at night at Caygfield is as tough of
Speaker 3: a place as you're gonna play in LSU. It's like
Speaker 3: they got that Old Miss then they had well they
Speaker 3: had the what did they give? Yeah, they had the
Speaker 3: Old Miss game. Then they went to Arkansas and now
Speaker 3: you're going to Texas A and M, Like what do
Speaker 3: they have left from the tank A and M? At
Speaker 3: least you know it hasn't played as big of wars
Speaker 3: like Battles of late. The key to the game though,
Speaker 3: is like Ken because LSU's offense doesn't have a ton
Speaker 3: of explosiveness. They have Karen Lacys, a pretty good receiver,
Speaker 3: but they're not They're just it's like Nussmeyer efficiently moving
Speaker 3: the ball down the field through the air. They have
Speaker 3: this freshman who's given him a bit of a punch
Speaker 3: in the running game. But Elko's defenses, you're gonna play
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of two high shelves, don't
Speaker 3: give up a ton of explosive plays, and they are
Speaker 3: aggressive upfront, and they have a really good defense line.
Speaker 3: The key to the game is can they get to
Speaker 3: nuss Meyer's been elite at avoiding sacks. Because if you
Speaker 3: can put LSU behind the sticks, make them drive the
Speaker 3: field and they're on third and longs, then you're gonna
Speaker 3: have a successful day. But if not, Smyer is avoiding
Speaker 3: those negative plays, and some of those negative players could
Speaker 3: be fall starts too. This offensive line, I think it's
Speaker 3: six or seven of them at Arkansas and this will
Speaker 3: be a much tougher environment. So yeah, I think it.
Speaker 3: If I had to take it at two and a half,
Speaker 3: it was a three and a half earlier this week,
Speaker 3: I probably would take LSU at two and a half.
Speaker 3: It's one of those games I think should be three.
Speaker 3: So I'll be watching rooting for Texas A and M,
Speaker 3: but no strong fuel. I just don't know what which
Speaker 3: two keys the game, which version of Wegmaniga and how
Speaker 3: much pressure and havoc can the Texas A and M
Speaker 3: defense create.
Speaker 1: I think we got to enjoy some of these big
Speaker 1: games on Saturday, because Sunday could be uh, there could
Speaker 1: be some moments where it's like this, this is a
Speaker 1: rough watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the games Bengals, Eagles could be good,
Speaker 3: Packers Jack maybe could be entertaining Bill Seahawks. I'm looking
Speaker 3: forward to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a good one. I mean even
Speaker 1: Monday nights Giants, Steelers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cowboys Niners. Now with all the injuries, doesn't have
Speaker 3: as much intrigue. But yeah, it's uh, it's it's not pretty.
Speaker 1: Okay, sucky, let's uh, let's keep rolling. We hammered a
Speaker 1: bunch of dogs last week in the in college and
Speaker 1: did pretty well beside Nebraska, So screw you, Matt Rule.
Speaker 3: I did playing last week against Indiana, so hopefully Signetty
Speaker 3: doesn't burn me again. But I think there's there's like
Speaker 3: a big drop off between Rourke, who is playing as
Speaker 3: well as any quarterback in the country, to this this backup.
Speaker 1: So, so dude on the Warriors brother right, Ty Davis. Uh,
Speaker 1: what's the guy's last name? Ty Davis?
Speaker 3: And Jackson or.
Speaker 1: Jackson Davis is the dude on the Warriors the center.
Speaker 1: I think it's his brother.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So losing Rourke. But one thing is watching Indiana's
Speaker 1: like their defense isn't bad.
Speaker 3: No, their defense is pretty good. Yeah, Sathan Jackson is
Speaker 3: his older brothers Trace Jackson Davis. I never put that together.
Speaker 3: I mean they must must be not have different I.
Speaker 1: Didn't know that either. I just saw an interview or
Speaker 1: saw something on social media that he was talking about
Speaker 1: it so interesting.
Speaker 3: I never put you into because he doesn't go by
Speaker 3: Jackson Davis.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Indiana's defense is just I mean, Nebraska just was
Speaker 3: I don't know what that was.
Speaker 1: They would have lost to anyone the way they showed up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I did play Washington. Washington's been good this year.
Speaker 3: They've been a bit unlucky, but coming off of a bye.
Speaker 1: Running back's good.
Speaker 3: Running backs really good. This is a really balanced offense.
Speaker 3: Will Rogers is good. They have good receivers. I think
Speaker 3: Washington is a bit better than Nebraska. And you're getting
Speaker 3: seven and Roork's not in there. I mean, Ork has
Speaker 3: been flawless this year and this Jackson did I know?
Speaker 3: They put up twenty eight in the second half last
Speaker 3: week with him? They had four short fields off Nebraska
Speaker 3: either turnovers or turnover on downs. Last Yeam was very
Speaker 3: mistake prone. It's just not the same caliber players. Work
Speaker 3: is right now, Who's like NFL ready? So I took
Speaker 3: the touchdown.
Speaker 1: There, good call. I think I'm gonna hammer that. We'll start.
Speaker 1: You have a good weekend and talk to you next week.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm going brothers.
Speaker 1: The volume