WEBVTT - Important Lost Hills - Dark Canyon Update 0:00:15.036 --> 0:00:26.796 Pushkin. A few months after episode twelve came out, Haley 0:00:26.836 --> 0:00:29.436 and I found ourselves standing in pretty much the last 0:00:29.476 --> 0:00:33.356 place we ever expected to be outside the Los Angeles 0:00:33.356 --> 0:00:37.756 County Sheriff's Department Homicide Bureau in Monterey Park. I feel 0:00:37.796 --> 0:00:39.156 like we're gonna need a selfie. 0:00:39.356 --> 0:00:42.316 Oh yeah, right here, right now? 0:00:42.436 --> 0:00:43.316 Oh yeah? 0:00:43.996 --> 0:00:45.596 Can we see us in here? Probably? 0:00:45.636 --> 0:00:46.356 But it's okay. 0:00:46.516 --> 0:00:50.276 We're excited we're allowed to take a selfie. We've been 0:00:50.276 --> 0:00:53.036 trying to get the attention of the Sheriff's homicide detectives 0:00:53.156 --> 0:00:55.836 ever since we started reporting on one of the county's 0:00:55.836 --> 0:01:00.476 most notorious unsolved cases, the two thousand and nine disappearance 0:01:00.556 --> 0:01:04.276 and death of my Teres Richardson. We'd appealed to them 0:01:04.316 --> 0:01:07.356 to share information with us, and when that didn't happen, 0:01:07.716 --> 0:01:10.916 we tried to provide them with the new information we'd uncovered. 0:01:11.556 --> 0:01:15.836 But now, after years of avoiding our questions, they want 0:01:15.876 --> 0:01:16.996 to talk to us. 0:01:17.236 --> 0:01:17.876 So I'll keep my. 0:01:17.916 --> 0:01:22.596 Last recordings for a while. Definitely need to turn this 0:01:22.716 --> 0:01:29.116 off when we go inside, should we? Just ready? I'm 0:01:29.196 --> 0:01:41.396 Dana Goodyear and this is a Lost Hills bonus episode. 0:01:43.116 --> 0:01:46.436 After the last episode of Lost Hills, Dark Canyon dropped 0:01:46.436 --> 0:01:51.876 in July, things went surprisingly quiet. The season had been 0:01:51.996 --> 0:01:54.916 so intense to make and the material was so urgent. 0:01:55.356 --> 0:01:59.876 We'd found startling new information potentially connecting a local Malibu man, 0:02:00.236 --> 0:02:04.076 Rick Forsberg, to the unsolved disappearance and death of my 0:02:04.196 --> 0:02:07.476 Teres Richardson. I think we were expecting to feel a 0:02:07.556 --> 0:02:11.796 cosmic shift in the after math of our reporting. Instead, 0:02:12.356 --> 0:02:18.476 there was silence. But then on a Thursday night in 0:02:18.516 --> 0:02:21.916 the middle of August, I checked my inbox. There was 0:02:21.956 --> 0:02:25.676 a new email with the subject line my Terce Richardson. 0:02:27.636 --> 0:02:30.956 The sender was Detective Sean McCarthy in the Cold Case 0:02:31.036 --> 0:02:34.996 unit of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. He wanted 0:02:34.996 --> 0:02:39.316 to talk. He was inviting us to the homicide Bureau 0:02:39.756 --> 0:02:44.076 to meet with him, another detective and two lieutenants, and 0:02:44.316 --> 0:02:47.956 he wrote, we should quote feel free to bring anything 0:02:48.156 --> 0:02:53.436 that you believe may be pertinent to the investigation unquote. 0:02:53.476 --> 0:02:55.916 In the last episode of the season, we'd listed the 0:02:55.956 --> 0:02:58.676 actions we hoped the Sheriff's Department would take in light 0:02:58.716 --> 0:03:01.756 of what we'd discovered. Our number one ask was that 0:03:01.756 --> 0:03:05.236 they'd take into evidence and test the underwear and other 0:03:05.316 --> 0:03:09.036 items we'd found at Rick Forsberg's Mountain fort to see 0:03:09.156 --> 0:03:12.316 if there was a connection to my trees. Now it 0:03:12.396 --> 0:03:14.436 sounded like they were giving us a green light to 0:03:14.516 --> 0:03:21.476 bring it all to the station. Oh my god. Also, 0:03:21.636 --> 0:03:23.876 can you just picture us walking in with a trash 0:03:23.876 --> 0:03:27.756 bag pull of underwear to the homicide department. I mean, 0:03:28.676 --> 0:03:31.956 it's frightening. Was easy for me to picture that. Uh yeah, 0:03:36.036 --> 0:03:38.396 So there we were at the homicide bureau with a 0:03:38.396 --> 0:03:41.956 bag of underwear, which we left in Haley's car. We 0:03:42.036 --> 0:03:44.156 still had to convince them that they needed to assume 0:03:44.196 --> 0:03:47.636 custody of it. We rang the bell and got buzzed 0:03:47.636 --> 0:03:51.676 into a sparse beij lobby. After a few minutes, Detective 0:03:51.716 --> 0:03:54.556 McCarthy came out to meet us. We followed him down 0:03:54.556 --> 0:03:58.156 a hallway lined with pictures of historic homicide investigations to 0:03:58.236 --> 0:04:00.436 a conference room he'd reserved for the afternoon. 0:04:03.796 --> 0:04:06.676 Haley, we're allowed to record. Amazing. 0:04:07.476 --> 0:04:10.996 To our total surprise, Detective McCarthy said we could record 0:04:11.036 --> 0:04:14.356 the meeting. We just fully assumed that we were not 0:04:14.396 --> 0:04:16.876 going to be doing this, but this is great. The 0:04:16.916 --> 0:04:21.036 iPhone's pretty much we're going to record too, Apparently our 0:04:21.076 --> 0:04:24.796 podcast and what if anything the Sheriff's Department should do 0:04:24.876 --> 0:04:28.916 about it had generated quite a bit of internal discussion, and. 0:04:28.876 --> 0:04:30.596 I'm going to be honest with you because i want 0:04:30.596 --> 0:04:31.356 to be transparent. 0:04:31.396 --> 0:04:34.276 There's a lot of disagreement on whether we should even 0:04:34.316 --> 0:04:38.756 be here today, a lot of disagreement to the point 0:04:38.796 --> 0:04:43.676 of people being angry at me for setting up to interview. 0:04:47.036 --> 0:04:51.316 Some feel that this case is over with, it's come 0:04:51.356 --> 0:04:52.276 to a conclusion. 0:04:54.236 --> 0:04:55.876 There was a part of me that wanted to tell 0:04:55.876 --> 0:04:57.076 you to go pound saying too. 0:04:57.756 --> 0:05:00.196 But when I listened to your podcast, there are some 0:05:00.316 --> 0:05:02.196 things in there that I think. 0:05:03.756 --> 0:05:05.756 We at least need to talk about. 0:05:07.196 --> 0:05:09.036 Before we got into the details of what we don't. 0:05:09.676 --> 0:05:13.236 He wanted us to understand a couple things. First, he 0:05:13.356 --> 0:05:17.916 wasn't quite or wasn't yet the assigned investigator, although he 0:05:18.076 --> 0:05:22.156 was an investigator and he'd been assigned to hear us out. Second, 0:05:22.516 --> 0:05:24.476 he didn't want us getting our hopes up that they'd 0:05:24.476 --> 0:05:26.076 be able to solve my Teres's case. 0:05:26.436 --> 0:05:29.556 I just want to educate you on the Sheriff's Department, okay, 0:05:29.836 --> 0:05:33.236 and our unit in particular. We've been in existence for 0:05:33.276 --> 0:05:36.676 one hundred and two years, the Homicide Bureau. We have 0:05:36.796 --> 0:05:41.996 over twenty thousand homicides in our library. Of those twenty 0:05:42.076 --> 0:05:47.556 thousand homicides, over forty five hundred are unsolved cases. 0:05:48.276 --> 0:05:49.236 Forty five hundred. 0:05:49.876 --> 0:05:57.476 Right our unsolved unit is made up of about twelve investigators, 0:05:58.276 --> 0:06:03.996 some who don't investigate cold cases. We have six investigators 0:06:04.036 --> 0:06:08.516 that are currently investigating cold cases for forty five hundred 0:06:08.516 --> 0:06:13.956 cases right sticks. Right now, I personally am investigating about 0:06:13.956 --> 0:06:15.516 thirty five cold cases. 0:06:15.636 --> 0:06:19.956 Right. Of those thirty five cold cases, there's more. 0:06:19.996 --> 0:06:24.076 But those are the most solvable cold cases that I 0:06:24.156 --> 0:06:28.116 feel there's viable information or we have recently received viable 0:06:28.116 --> 0:06:30.676 information that make that case. 0:06:32.156 --> 0:06:32.636 Solvable. 0:06:34.276 --> 0:06:37.116 The first thing detective McCarthy wanted to know from us 0:06:37.276 --> 0:06:40.916 was how confident were we that Rick Forsberg had played 0:06:40.916 --> 0:06:42.516 a role in my Teresa's death? 0:06:43.916 --> 0:06:49.156 In your opinion, based on your entire series of podcasts, 0:06:50.916 --> 0:06:55.796 is Forsberg the one and only viable suspect in your opinion, 0:06:55.836 --> 0:06:56.996 if he is. 0:06:56.916 --> 0:06:59.796 A suspect if she was murdered. 0:06:59.916 --> 0:07:03.756 Yes, okay, So, which is not to say that there 0:07:03.796 --> 0:07:07.596 couldn't have been other people. There could be eyewitnesses. This 0:07:07.636 --> 0:07:11.036 is in essence what we reported the podcast Forstburg had 0:07:11.076 --> 0:07:13.596 been a person of interest going way back to twenty 0:07:13.676 --> 0:07:17.116 ten when my truse was still missing. Then her remains 0:07:17.116 --> 0:07:19.756 were found in Dark Canyon, in the same area where 0:07:19.796 --> 0:07:22.516 Forstburg was known to grow pot and about a mile 0:07:22.556 --> 0:07:26.476 from his fort in the brush off Payuma Road. Forstburg 0:07:26.556 --> 0:07:29.676 was given a polygraph exam in twenty twelve and then 0:07:29.956 --> 0:07:31.716 for some reason they let him go. 0:07:33.076 --> 0:07:35.716 We know that he was on the radar, So what 0:07:35.876 --> 0:07:36.596 happened to him? 0:07:36.636 --> 0:07:41.276 Like, why didn't why wasn't anything pursued past a point? 0:07:41.316 --> 0:07:44.916 I mean, that's still one of our biggest questions. We're 0:07:44.956 --> 0:07:47.236 going to try to answer some of your questions. 0:07:47.596 --> 0:07:50.356 Detective McCarthy opened a folder that was on the table 0:07:50.356 --> 0:07:51.036 in front of him. 0:07:51.516 --> 0:07:55.396 So how do we determine, based on what we have, 0:07:56.756 --> 0:08:01.996 if Rick Forsburg has anything to do with this. Forsburg, 0:08:02.876 --> 0:08:05.836 in March of twenty twelve, was interviewed. I know you 0:08:05.916 --> 0:08:08.956 know that he was interviewed, and I'm going to read 0:08:09.116 --> 0:08:11.556 I'm going to read a sentence to you. Investigators recalled 0:08:11.596 --> 0:08:14.396 the name of Rick Forsburg being associated with a clue 0:08:14.436 --> 0:08:16.556 received in January of twenty ten. 0:08:17.516 --> 0:08:21.276 That clue was about Rick's fort, where witnesses said there 0:08:21.316 --> 0:08:23.076 was a ribcage, and there. 0:08:22.996 --> 0:08:27.316 Was a follow up investigation done. The clue indicated Forsburg 0:08:27.876 --> 0:08:32.236 lived near tree Fort. In May of twenty ten, tree 0:08:32.276 --> 0:08:35.756 Fort was located in the immediate search area by deputies. 0:08:35.996 --> 0:08:39.636 Bones were located which were later identified as animal remains. 0:08:39.916 --> 0:08:42.676 Does that mean that they couldn't have missed something though, 0:08:42.836 --> 0:08:46.396 It doesn't mean that one hundred percent sure, but they 0:08:46.476 --> 0:08:49.156 at least did a search of that area and they 0:08:49.196 --> 0:08:52.476 found nothing related to my trees Richardson. 0:08:53.076 --> 0:08:57.316 Then Detective McCarthy said in twenty twelve, a quote citizen 0:08:57.436 --> 0:09:01.476 informant had tipped the Sheriff's department about Rick. Again, he 0:09:01.516 --> 0:09:04.316 didn't say her name, but we know this was Lisa Lapour, 0:09:04.676 --> 0:09:07.676 who we interviewed for the podcast. She told us Rick 0:09:07.756 --> 0:09:10.756 had tried to take her into Dark Canon, but instead 0:09:10.876 --> 0:09:13.196 she drove him to Lost Hill Station where he was 0:09:13.236 --> 0:09:15.236 interviewed by homicide detectives. 0:09:16.436 --> 0:09:17.716 So they interviewed him. 0:09:19.196 --> 0:09:21.356 And at least according to the report, and I spoke 0:09:21.436 --> 0:09:28.996 briefly with the investigator, he was forthcoming. There wasn't any 0:09:29.316 --> 0:09:33.836 contentiousness that I can tell, And in my conversation with him, 0:09:34.876 --> 0:09:37.716 he admitted he was a heavy drug user and alcohol user. 0:09:38.676 --> 0:09:42.716 For thirty years. He admitted he had a tree fort. 0:09:42.756 --> 0:09:48.036 He called it a cottage in that area. He denied 0:09:48.516 --> 0:09:51.316 having anything to do with Richard's and or disappearance, and 0:09:52.436 --> 0:09:54.076 offered an explanation. 0:09:54.996 --> 0:09:57.916 Rick told the detectives a version of the same story 0:09:57.956 --> 0:09:59.116 he told his friends. 0:09:59.596 --> 0:10:01.596 And here's where we get into the information that you 0:10:01.676 --> 0:10:05.036 already talked about, is that he was in the canyon. 0:10:05.196 --> 0:10:08.476 He was at his tree fort smoking math or marijuana 0:10:08.516 --> 0:10:09.636 or whatever he was doing. 0:10:10.196 --> 0:10:11.756 And once he was done, he was. 0:10:11.756 --> 0:10:14.556 On his way back to his residence, and on his 0:10:14.596 --> 0:10:18.476 way back he hears a female voice yelling. And he 0:10:18.596 --> 0:10:22.116 described it. And I asked rich Tomlin, who's a black man. 0:10:22.476 --> 0:10:24.916 He described it as an African American voice. I don't 0:10:24.956 --> 0:10:26.596 know how he determined that, but when I asked Tom 0:10:26.596 --> 0:10:29.316 and he goes, I can see that. Okay, here's an 0:10:29.316 --> 0:10:34.356 African America female African American. The logical connection my trees, right. 0:10:35.876 --> 0:10:38.316 But he said it wasn't a woman yelling for help. 0:10:38.556 --> 0:10:41.796 It was more of a woman in some sort of 0:10:41.876 --> 0:10:47.236 confrontation with somebody. And Forsburgh said he went to investigate, 0:10:47.316 --> 0:10:49.516 but he could not find the source of the yelling. 0:10:50.076 --> 0:10:54.036 He told investigators this right, couldn't find a source source 0:10:54.076 --> 0:10:57.516 of the yelling, so he went on his way. He 0:10:57.556 --> 0:11:00.956 said he didn't come forward because of his contentious relationship 0:11:00.996 --> 0:11:01.836 with law enforcement. 0:11:02.356 --> 0:11:06.036 At that point, Detective McCarthy said, the detectives asked Forstburg 0:11:06.116 --> 0:11:07.716 if he'd be willing to take a polygraph. 0:11:08.476 --> 0:11:14.396 Polygraphic examinations are not admissible in court, so we only 0:11:14.436 --> 0:11:18.596 do them under certain circumstances. And in this case, they're 0:11:18.636 --> 0:11:21.756 trying to find out does he have anything to do 0:11:21.836 --> 0:11:25.236 with disappearance? Right, And I will read this to you. 0:11:25.556 --> 0:11:27.996 It's striking to me. You may scoff at it, but 0:11:28.036 --> 0:11:32.116 it's striking to me. And this is a poly examiner 0:11:32.156 --> 0:11:36.596 explaining this to the investigator. A score of plus four 0:11:36.756 --> 0:11:40.836 or higher indicates little or no deception. A score of 0:11:40.916 --> 0:11:45.916 minus three or below indicates deception. The preliminary scoring for 0:11:46.036 --> 0:11:48.916 borderbergs indicated a score. 0:11:48.676 --> 0:11:49.916 Of plus ten. 0:11:51.396 --> 0:11:56.236 That is passing with flying colors. Okay, now you can 0:11:56.276 --> 0:11:59.436 say what you want about polygraphic examinations, but that's striking 0:11:59.476 --> 0:12:03.636 to me, the plus ten that's passing with flying colors. 0:12:03.716 --> 0:12:03.916 Right. 0:12:06.676 --> 0:12:09.996 So this is why Forstberg walked, not because he had 0:12:10.036 --> 0:12:12.476 some other alibi that Haley and I didn't know about 0:12:13.076 --> 0:12:16.556 not because investigators found some other credible reason. If there 0:12:16.556 --> 0:12:19.196 had been one, I'm sure Detective McCarthy would have been 0:12:19.276 --> 0:12:22.796 all too delighted to tell us about it. No, the 0:12:22.876 --> 0:12:26.476 detectives let Forstburg walk because he passed a polygraph with 0:12:26.556 --> 0:12:31.596 quote unquote flying colors, even though the most superficial googling 0:12:31.676 --> 0:12:34.556 suggests that if he was high on pot and or 0:12:34.676 --> 0:12:38.356 meth his drugs of choice, this alone could have thrown 0:12:38.396 --> 0:12:43.276 off the results. This was depressing as hell the way 0:12:43.316 --> 0:12:46.196 we saw it. They had my Terce's killer in custody 0:12:46.276 --> 0:12:49.996 and they let him slip away, and now he was dead. 0:12:51.156 --> 0:12:55.076 But then Detective McCarthy offered us a tiny fraction of 0:12:55.116 --> 0:12:59.876 hope that maybe the case can be solved. After all, 0:13:14.316 --> 0:13:16.876 we've been sitting around the conference table for several hours 0:13:16.876 --> 0:13:20.356 at this point, explaining what we knew and how, and 0:13:20.436 --> 0:13:24.076 gleaning what little bits about the investigation Detective McCarthy was 0:13:24.116 --> 0:13:28.116 willing to let slip. We'd taken coffee breaks and bathroom breaks. 0:13:28.396 --> 0:13:32.036 The detectives had even ordered pizza. But now it was 0:13:32.076 --> 0:13:34.956 time to stop asking questions about the past and see 0:13:34.956 --> 0:13:38.476 what they were willing to do moving forward. We needed 0:13:38.476 --> 0:13:40.996 to get them to think about Rick's fort. It was 0:13:41.036 --> 0:13:44.956 potentially a crime scene, maybe still rich in evidence, and 0:13:45.076 --> 0:13:48.756 some of that potential evidence, what we using shorthand called 0:13:48.916 --> 0:13:51.396 the bag of underwear, was sitting in the trunk of 0:13:51.436 --> 0:13:53.756 Haley's car in the parking lot out front. 0:13:54.916 --> 0:13:56.636 Yeah, so probably for us. 0:13:56.756 --> 0:14:00.636 The biggest question we weren't able to answer, which we 0:14:00.756 --> 0:14:07.556 believe the Sheriff's department could answer potentially, is is there 0:14:07.556 --> 0:14:12.356 a connection between I mean the women's undergarments that we 0:14:12.476 --> 0:14:15.756 found at the site and my trees, or bigger question, 0:14:16.636 --> 0:14:19.436 is there any physical evidence that could place my rise 0:14:19.556 --> 0:14:22.756 at the fort? Because I think, look, I don't know 0:14:22.836 --> 0:14:25.116 yet what your standards are for viability, but to me, 0:14:25.316 --> 0:14:33.436 that would be viable. There's also another kind of corollary question, 0:14:33.636 --> 0:14:39.516 which is are any of these items of underwear and 0:14:39.596 --> 0:14:43.316 lingerie linked to other women who might be victims. 0:14:43.796 --> 0:14:46.396 They were varied in. 0:14:46.396 --> 0:14:51.076 Their sizes, styles, One thing clearly belonged to a child, 0:14:51.956 --> 0:14:56.156 and we think it's quite possible that Forstberg had a 0:14:56.236 --> 0:15:01.396 much bigger pool of victims than even we know about. 0:15:02.356 --> 0:15:07.276 So that's why we kept everything and we did bring 0:15:07.316 --> 0:15:11.916 it today in case you want it. So that you know, 0:15:13.476 --> 0:15:15.876 there might be something that you could get a signature off, 0:15:15.916 --> 0:15:18.396 but we ran out a one way with what we 0:15:18.396 --> 0:15:22.236 could do. Using a private forensic lab, we've been able 0:15:22.276 --> 0:15:24.396 to test one pair of the underwear we'd found at 0:15:24.436 --> 0:15:28.796 Rick's fort. We chose a size medium black thong, similar 0:15:28.836 --> 0:15:31.676 to the style we knew my Trees wore, but the 0:15:31.756 --> 0:15:35.276 DNA was too degraded. It was possible that the rest 0:15:35.316 --> 0:15:38.836 of the underwear would be similarly useless, but we didn't know. 0:15:39.436 --> 0:15:41.996 We were hoping the Sheriff's department would test the rest 0:15:41.996 --> 0:15:44.876 of it. There was something else we wanted to bring 0:15:44.916 --> 0:15:48.356 to their attention too. It was probably the biggest long shot, 0:15:48.676 --> 0:15:53.196 but importantly it would not depend on DNA. It required 0:15:53.236 --> 0:15:57.116 a little teeing up. When my Teresa's remains were exhumed 0:15:57.156 --> 0:16:00.676 and re examined in July of twenty eleven, the coroner's 0:16:00.716 --> 0:16:05.036 criminalist noted the presence of quote, loose green fuzz like 0:16:05.316 --> 0:16:09.996 hair slash fibers located near the legs unquote. There were 0:16:10.036 --> 0:16:12.596 some other things that were not clothing that were collected, 0:16:13.596 --> 0:16:18.356 including this green fuzz like material that was near her 0:16:18.796 --> 0:16:23.236 legs that when we first read the supplementary autopsy report 0:16:23.276 --> 0:16:26.596 we thought was so weird, like, what is this green fuzz? 0:16:27.396 --> 0:16:29.756 We hadn't been able to see a picture of the material, 0:16:29.916 --> 0:16:32.676 so we didn't know exactly what it looked like. But 0:16:32.756 --> 0:16:35.596 digging around in Rick's trash heap at the fort, we'd 0:16:35.596 --> 0:16:38.196 found a swath of bright, kelly green material. 0:16:39.036 --> 0:16:40.756 And this is the thing that might be nothing, or 0:16:40.796 --> 0:16:41.596 it might be everything. 0:16:41.756 --> 0:16:45.316 Is at the fort we found material that looked like 0:16:46.036 --> 0:16:49.916 it could fit that description. So would they take the 0:16:49.956 --> 0:16:53.956 bag of underwear and the green fuzz? Detective McCarthy looked 0:16:53.956 --> 0:16:55.996 over at his supervising lieutenant. 0:16:56.676 --> 0:17:00.996 I've already made decision. Obviously, you can overwrite it. I say, 0:17:01.076 --> 0:17:03.196 we just take it and loook it in that that 0:17:03.276 --> 0:17:03.636 way is. 0:17:03.676 --> 0:17:07.716 Safe if it does become later on, if it does 0:17:07.756 --> 0:17:11.636 become something that we want to pursue, we already have it. 0:17:11.636 --> 0:17:14.636 It's safe if we just let you walk away with it. 0:17:15.196 --> 0:17:17.236 I don't want to be second guested by somebody higher 0:17:17.276 --> 0:17:19.276 up the food chain. I say, we just take it 0:17:19.276 --> 0:17:24.396 into evidence and we'll make decisions later on. By letting 0:17:24.396 --> 0:17:28.916 you walk away with this suitcase, and then something does 0:17:28.956 --> 0:17:31.276 come up later, we already have it. 0:17:31.756 --> 0:17:33.436 Note that there's less. 0:17:33.156 --> 0:17:37.076 Issue Detective McCarthy cautioned us that there was no guarantee 0:17:37.116 --> 0:17:39.796 the crime lab would agree to test the items we'd collected. 0:17:40.556 --> 0:17:45.596 The Sheriff's Department has over eight hundred homicides that have 0:17:45.796 --> 0:17:50.876 DNA evidence, right, that's not counting other sex crimes and 0:17:50.956 --> 0:17:51.876 other units. 0:17:51.916 --> 0:17:53.476 And we're talking into. 0:17:53.236 --> 0:17:59.356 The thousands of requests to do DNA testing and we 0:17:59.396 --> 0:18:02.636 get rejected all the time. When we say this need 0:18:03.276 --> 0:18:06.596 they want to know what link do you have that 0:18:06.756 --> 0:18:08.116 links this suspect. 0:18:10.516 --> 0:18:12.596 So the first question they're going to ask is is 0:18:12.636 --> 0:18:14.796 this murder? And you know what my answer is going 0:18:14.876 --> 0:18:18.116 to be. I don't know. That's what my answer is 0:18:18.156 --> 0:18:19.996 going to be. So it's going to drop on the 0:18:19.996 --> 0:18:20.836 priority list. 0:18:22.036 --> 0:18:24.036 But by this time I have to admit I was 0:18:24.116 --> 0:18:27.996 hardly listening to his management of our expectations. I was 0:18:28.076 --> 0:18:31.676 celebrating the underwear was going into evidence. 0:18:32.156 --> 0:18:35.196 That's what would I do is slap the evidence figure 0:18:35.276 --> 0:18:36.756 on it and enter it into. 0:18:36.996 --> 0:18:39.796 Can I watch that process happen. I don't want to 0:18:39.836 --> 0:18:42.396 miss the slapping of the evidence on it. That's going 0:18:42.436 --> 0:18:46.556 to be very satisfying for me. Haley and I left 0:18:46.596 --> 0:18:50.396 that day feeling triumphant and exhausted. We'd been there for 0:18:50.436 --> 0:18:54.396 almost five hours and we'd accomplished our most important goal 0:18:54.876 --> 0:18:58.396 to get that potential evidence safely into the hands of 0:18:58.436 --> 0:19:04.516 a homicide investigator. But that wasn't the last we heard 0:19:04.516 --> 0:19:08.516 from Detective McCarthy. Two days after our afternoon at the 0:19:08.516 --> 0:19:12.636 homicide beer, he sent me another email. I couldn't believe 0:19:12.636 --> 0:19:18.276 what I was reading. I called Haley right away, Hailey, Yeah, 0:19:18.756 --> 0:19:21.956 I am taping our call. They want us to take 0:19:21.996 --> 0:19:22.636 them to the fort. 0:19:23.236 --> 0:19:24.636 Are you serious? 0:19:25.076 --> 0:19:25.436 Yes? 0:19:26.436 --> 0:19:28.356 Let's wait. Okay, start from the beginning. 0:19:28.356 --> 0:19:29.956 Did they call you or what happened? 0:19:29.996 --> 0:19:32.676 They just emailed me and I just p seed you 0:19:32.796 --> 0:19:35.876 on the reply, saying and the title of the subject 0:19:35.916 --> 0:19:39.996 of the email is Rick Forsberg. And those Detective McCarthy 0:19:40.196 --> 0:19:43.196 believed us enough to drive over an hour to go 0:19:43.276 --> 0:19:48.156 bushwhacking in Malibu. We were closer than we'd thought possible 0:19:48.236 --> 0:19:52.036 to some kind of resolution on my Teresa's case. I 0:19:52.116 --> 0:19:59.756 told him to bring his hiking boots. Lost Hills is 0:19:59.796 --> 0:20:03.476 written and hosted by Me Dana Goodyear. It was reported 0:20:03.516 --> 0:20:07.236 by me and Hailey Fox, our senior producer. The show 0:20:07.356 --> 0:20:11.036 was created by me and Bennadet. Lost Hills is a 0:20:11.076 --> 0:20:14.436 production of Western sound and Pushkin industries.