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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Donald Trump says there could be

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Speaker 1: a little economic disruption. We have such a great show

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Speaker 1: for you today. We have the Lincoln Projects own Rick

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Speaker 1: Wilson talking about the infighting in Trump's White House.

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Speaker 2: Plus we'll have a bonus from our YouTube channel where

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Speaker 2: Molly interviews American Federation with Teachers President Randy Weingarten about

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Speaker 2: Trump's attacks on teachers.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Amanda Zarowski about the consequences, the

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Speaker 1: life threatening consequences of Texas's strict abortion bans, even in

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Speaker 2: But first the news, So Malli, Trump will not resume

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Speaker 2: Ukraine military aid after just signing an order to send

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Speaker 2: many billions more of military aid to Israel. So this

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Speaker 2: whole Trump's a peaceful president compared to the Democrats. It's

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Speaker 2: a little silly, I think again.

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Speaker 1: The point here is that he did not use Congress.

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Speaker 1: Congress is supposed to do this, right. Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: not supposed to decide where the money goes. He's not

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Speaker 1: a king, right, Kings decide where the money goes. He

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Speaker 1: and his top aids are claiming credit for a massive

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Speaker 1: They're saying that that was them. In announcing the latest

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Speaker 1: Trump's second term. Now look again with all of this,

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Speaker 1: what you see is Donald Trump not using the channels

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Speaker 1: and weapons won't go to Ukraine. This is not how

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Speaker 1: to allocate funds, Congress is suppose to decide where weapons go.

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Speaker 1: Congress should have the power of the purse, not Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: What Donald Trump has done, and this was part of

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Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five, We talked about this a lot.

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Speaker 1: which is how we got here in the Heritage Foundation universe,

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Speaker 1: And this was something Nixon did and there was legislation

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump would really like to bring this to the

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Speaker 2: Speaking of his king like aggressions of silence, saying everyone

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Speaker 2: about two weeks ago, we had Governor Walls on our

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Speaker 2: I think I could tell you why they need anonimity

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Speaker 3: Yeah, weak, bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Week, bullshit baby week, bullshit. You don't need anonymity for

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Speaker 2: that mister Trump complains about. And I'm going to shock you,

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Speaker 2: but where there's smoke, there's fire.

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Speaker 1: Speak for yourself. Baby. This is like when I saw

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Speaker 1: is DJ Daniel. DJ Daniels, a thirteen year old from

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Speaker 1: shocked to hear the boys doctors now face his budget cuts. Okay,

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Speaker 1: They are also cutting EPA right, the Environmental defense right.

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Speaker 1: and all to pay for a tax cut for Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and

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Speaker 1: the host of the Enemy's List, Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics.

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Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, Lollie junk Fast. How are you this fine day?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Just live in the dream. So I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about the recession.

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Speaker 3: That we're now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was a tumultuous week.

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Speaker 3: For the Could you speak more precise please, It's the

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Speaker 1: I mean, We're down such a fucking rabbit hole. I

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Speaker 3: You know, stupid people do stupid things to other stupid people.

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Speaker 3: Right. There is no circumstance where Marco wakes up in

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Speaker 1: So basically what we have here is big reporting from

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Speaker 3: love all of it.

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Speaker 1: It's keeping democracy going. Knowing what's happening in the government.

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Speaker 3: Now. We might not know that as much with Jeff

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Speaker 3: Bezos's Weekly, you know, Tiger Beat for Donald Trump stuff.

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Speaker 1: But the Washington Post still does really good at reporting

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Speaker 3: is now in the shitter. They don't love the fact

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Speaker 3: that we have had a huge breakdown of America's global

436
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Speaker 3: status in the world. They don't like the fact that

437
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Speaker 3: all this stuff in Europe is actually destabilizing the Asian markets,

438
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Speaker 3: which are important for both supply chain and exports out.

439
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Speaker 3: All of it is leading to the point where this

440
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Speaker 3: long sought correction is about to pop us. And when

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Speaker 3: it does, I think Trump is going to have a

442
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Speaker 3: hard time again. I was joking about the Biden recession

443
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Speaker 3: in the beginning of this thing, But he's going to

444
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Speaker 3: have a hard time blaming Joe Biden and the Democrats

445
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Speaker 3: for this, given that the last few weeks have been enough.

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Speaker 4: Thing.

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Speaker 3: But I am God, I am superpowered. No one can

448
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Speaker 3: oppose me.

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Speaker 1: But so do you think he backs off on tariff's.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, He's already backed off on tariff. He's already

451
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Speaker 3: given up on tariffs. He may make mouth noises about tariffs,

452
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Speaker 3: he may say things about tariffs, but the reality of

453
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Speaker 3: tariffs is that every time he gets close to the

454
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Speaker 3: ledge with those tariffs, what happens the market's going and

455
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Speaker 3: dump off eight, nine, ten percent of their value. And

456
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Speaker 3: that is something I don't think he can mentally or

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Speaker 3: politically afford, and certainly the country can't afford.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Rick Wilson Pally, John fass A pleasure as always.

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Speaker 1: Amanda Zarowski is a reproductive rights activist known for her

461
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Speaker 1: role in ensuing the State of Texas in Zorowski versus

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Speaker 1: State of Texas. Welcome to Fast Politics, Amanda.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have you because I have I watched

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Speaker 1: you throughout the campaign talk about your incredibly just traumatic.

466
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Speaker 1: I think traumatic is the only word. Experience that was

467
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Speaker 1: made ten times worse by the abortion bands. Can you,

468
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Speaker 1: in the way that you feel the most comfortable, just

469
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Speaker 1: sort of get us up to speed for the people

470
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Speaker 1: who don't know your story in a way that doesn't

471
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Speaker 1: just continually traumatize you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I appreciate you using the word trauma. That's

473
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Speaker 4: exactly what it was, and it was completely preventable and avoidable.

474
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Speaker 4: I mean, at the heart of this, what the experience

475
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Speaker 4: should have been is just the loss of my pregnancy

476
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Speaker 4: that my husband and I desperately wanted. At eighteen weeks

477
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Speaker 4: I was miscarrying. That in and of itself is heartbreaking enough.

478
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Speaker 4: This was a baby we wanted so badly. But her

479
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Speaker 4: heart was still beating. So in Texas, ending the pregnancy,

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Speaker 4: even though I was miscarrying and was going to certainly

481
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Speaker 4: lose the baby, she wouldn't be able to survive. My

482
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Speaker 4: doctor couldn't end the pregnancy because it would have been

483
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Speaker 4: considered an abortion, which is illegal in Texas. So I

484
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Speaker 4: had to wait until either her heart stopped beating or

485
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Speaker 4: I met the medical exception in Texas, which is life

486
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Speaker 4: of the mother, And so we had to wait until

487
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Speaker 4: my life was considered at risk, which is what happened

488
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Speaker 4: three days later when I went into septic shock. Fortunately

489
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Speaker 4: I survived, but I spent about a week in the

490
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Speaker 4: hospital and my reproductive organs are permanently compromised as a result.

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Speaker 4: And again all of this was avoidable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny because you know, I listened

493
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Speaker 1: to your story and I have three children who are

494
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Speaker 1: all very old now. But you know, when you're of

495
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Speaker 1: child bearing age, you go through it right like I mean,

496
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Speaker 1: I had. You know, I had these pregnancies that involved

497
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Speaker 1: all sorts of tests that could have meant this, and

498
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of stuff like that, and you know,

499
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Speaker 1: everyone you know has these just stories about it, and

500
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Speaker 1: I did IVF. But what I'm struck by is like,

501
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Speaker 1: it's actually quite scary to be pregnant. And I found

502
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Speaker 1: it quite scary. I nearly bled out with my twins.

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Speaker 1: And so to me, the idea that had you been

504
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Speaker 1: in a normal state, they would have said, you're having

505
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Speaker 1: a miscarriage, let's get this done. Treat you with the DNC, Like,

506
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Speaker 1: this is not a Bible pregnancy, you're eighteen weeks. There's

507
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Speaker 1: no world in which eighteen weeks means that there's going

508
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Speaker 1: to be a baby. So but instead, because of the

509
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Speaker 1: religious beliefs, so that the legislators in Texas, you were

510
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Speaker 1: sent home to get sicker.

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Speaker 4: Yep, that's exactly right. And you know they say that

512
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Speaker 4: they're pro life, but I always ask, what about this

513
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Speaker 4: is pro life?

514
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Speaker 1: What about my life?

515
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Speaker 4: They want to take care of the baby when it's

516
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Speaker 4: in the womb, but they don't want to do anything

517
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Speaker 4: once it's born. And that's just where I really struggle

518
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Speaker 4: is this is not pro life, but that's the language

519
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Speaker 4: that they use to get people fired up in and

520
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: really activated. And it's so frustrating because when you look

521
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Speaker 4: at the facts about this is pro life.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to explain to us,

523
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Speaker 1: like I understand how traumatic this was. Explain to me

524
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Speaker 1: why you decided to come out, because I imagine that

525
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Speaker 1: none of this was fun.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't enjoy reliving it. I don't enjoy retelling it.

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Speaker 4: You know, It's gotten easier to talk about just with

528
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Speaker 4: time and the processing that I've done, But every time

529
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Speaker 4: I talk about it, I'm back there in the hospital.

530
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Speaker 4: I'm back there with the loss, I'm back there with

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Speaker 4: the fear. But I think it's so important to tell

532
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Speaker 4: these types of stories because when we talk about our

533
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: trauma and when we talk about what's really going on,

534
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Speaker 4: that's when people can really start to relate and understand

535
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Speaker 4: what these bands mean. And So I was actually still

536
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Speaker 4: in the hospital. I was recovered, but I was still

537
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Speaker 4: in the hospital when my husband, Josh, and I decided,

538
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Speaker 4: you know, this is something we need to warn people about.

539
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Speaker 4: And it was really out of terror for what was

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Speaker 4: going to happen to my fellow Texans and Americans across

541
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Speaker 4: the country, and we wanted to warn them of what

542
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Speaker 4: was going on. And we know the power of storytelling,

543
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: and so we just thought, you know what, we've got

544
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Speaker 4: to do this and we didn't look back.

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised that Rowe was not a more motivating factor,

546
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Speaker 1: because you do have women in this country now who

547
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: are treated basically like second class citizens when it comes

548
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Speaker 1: to Madison.

549
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

550
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Speaker 4: I think what that tells me is that we still

551
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Speaker 4: have a lot more work to do in educating the

552
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Speaker 4: American population on what these bands mean and how they

553
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: impact everyone and not just women. Right, my husband was affected,

554
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Speaker 4: my terents were affected, my siblings, my friends. I mean,

555
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: these restrictions and bands impact every single American. This is

556
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Speaker 4: a human rights issue, and so what that tells me

557
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: is that we have more work to do in helping

558
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Speaker 4: people see that and connect those dots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's my feeling too. But Texas has

560
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Speaker 1: had the ban a year more than the rest of

561
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Speaker 1: the country, right, because they did unconstitutional SBAID. So there's

562
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Speaker 1: more results coming out of Texas and they're pretty horrific.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's terrifying. And you know, we're seeing cases that

564
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Speaker 4: are even worse than mine. I mean, people are dying,

565
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Speaker 4: and not just in Texas, across the country. And these

566
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Speaker 4: are just the stories we know about, right, There's so

567
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Speaker 4: many more just like it that we don't know about

568
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Speaker 4: because people still don't want to talk about this. Understandably,

569
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Speaker 4: we should not be in a position where we have

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Speaker 4: to talk about this on a public stage in order

571
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Speaker 4: for people to care. But you know, that's where we're at.

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Speaker 4: And I think what's happening in Texas and some of

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Speaker 4: the other states where there are similar bands is indicative

574
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Speaker 4: of what could and what might what likely will happen

575
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Speaker 4: across the country.

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Speaker 1: There's more, right, So, for example, in Texas right now,

577
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Speaker 1: this abortion ban is a rejection of science, right, It's

578
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Speaker 1: a rejection of like the larger ethos here is that

579
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Speaker 1: life begins a conception, right, that's the play here. The

580
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Speaker 1: Republicans want to say that anything after conception is abortion,

581
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Speaker 1: and we've seen that in all this legislation. So it's

582
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Speaker 1: a kind of rejection of science. Now in another part

583
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Speaker 1: of Texas. We have and I'm sure you know about this,

584
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Speaker 1: a measles outbreak, and now these measles are also in

585
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Speaker 1: New Mexico because measles are very contagious. So do you

586
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: see your in Texas? You live in Texas, do you

587
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Speaker 1: see this rejection of science playing out in other parts

588
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Speaker 1: of Texas? And also can you sort of spread the

589
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: needle here?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know if I can thread the needle.

591
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone can throw the needle, but

592
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: you know, I do see the rejection of science. And

593
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Speaker 4: for me, it's very personal to fertility right and to

594
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Speaker 4: reproductive care, which you probably understand. You shared that you

595
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 4: went through IVF. That's something that I will have to

596
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Speaker 4: rely on in order to have kids in the future.

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Speaker 4: And we saw that ruling in Alabama of embryonic personhood, right, Yeah,

598
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 4: this is telling us that embryos are now people. And

599
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: if you just break that down and think about it

600
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 4: at the most basic level, it's insane. Like it's absolutely insane.

601
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Speaker 4: And so I just struggle to understand the folks that

602
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 4: are getting on board with some of these arguments, because

603
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Speaker 4: to your point, it is a blatant rejection of science,

604
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Speaker 4: and I think it must be people baring their heads

605
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: in the sand because it's so obviously wrong.

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Speaker 1: Right when you went out and did the campaign, how

607
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: was it and were you glad you did it? And

608
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Speaker 1: did you and sort of I just wonder if you

609
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Speaker 1: could talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm very glad I did it. I have no

611
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 4: regrets at all. I wanted to leave everything on the

612
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 4: table to do everything I could to prevent Donald Trump

613
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Speaker 4: from being re elected. Unfortunately, we didn't see that go

614
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: the way we wanted. But it also taught me a

615
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: lot about people's concerns across the country. And this is

616
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Speaker 4: a real fear for a lot of people. Even in

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Speaker 4: states where they have abortion enshrined in their state constitutions

618
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: right or in states where it's still accessible, people are

619
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: still very scared, but they're very, very motivated, and I

620
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: think since the election, we have seen a lot of

621
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: folks sort of give up hope. I've heard a lot

622
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Speaker 4: of people say, you know, I'm just not going to

623
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: read the news for four years. And my message, as

624
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: somebody who's been at this for a decent amount of

625
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 4: time now, is we can't. That's exactly what they want.

626
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Speaker 4: They want us to feel hopeless, They want us to

627
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: feel defeated. We think things are bad now, they can

628
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: get worse, and they will get worse if we stop

629
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: paying attention. And so I saw so much activation across

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Speaker 4: the country during the election cycle, and so much mobilization,

631
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: and we just have to keep doing that, and we

632
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: have to continue to fight back and resist and stay vigilant,

633
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: because otherwise things are just going to get worse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it definitely seems like that's true when you

635
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Speaker 1: sort of talk about the anxiety. I mean, how do

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Speaker 1: you feel about being pregnant in Texas? Like, do you

637
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: have friends who are pregnant in Texas? How is it

638
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Speaker 1: is there any feeling that there's sort of any safe

639
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: places in Texas to be pregnant.

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Speaker 4: You know what's interesting is most of my friends who

641
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 4: want children have left Texas. And it's exactly for that reason.

642
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: They don't want to be pregnant in a state with

643
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Speaker 4: these restrictions. They don't want to raise their families in

644
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Speaker 4: states with these restrictions. And I won't be able to

645
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 4: carry again because of the trauma that my body went through.

646
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: I'll have to use a surrogate. And when my doctor

647
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: told me that I honestly was a little bit relieved,

648
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: because to be pregnant again would be absolutely terrifying. I

649
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 4: don't know that I could could stay in Texas and

650
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Speaker 4: be pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems right, and Texas is a humongous state.

652
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Speaker 1: So they're just moving to blue states yep, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Or they're getting their reproductive organs removed because they're so

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Speaker 4: scared to become pregnant. That's how bad it is. As

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Speaker 4: people are changing the trajectory of their family planning because

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Speaker 4: of politicians, and that's just not the way that it

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Speaker 4: should be.

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Speaker 1: We all saw these horrifying videos and people not understanding

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Speaker 1: that Roe wasn't caused by Biden. Do you think there's

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Speaker 1: still misinformation like that or do you think people are

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Speaker 1: getting the message that Republican politicians are doing this.

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Speaker 4: It's unfortunate to say this, but I think what it's

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Speaker 4: going to take is for people to be affected personally.

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Speaker 4: And I don't just mean that with reproductive care. It's

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Speaker 4: also you know, the price increases that we're seeing as

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Speaker 4: a result of the tariffs. It's people's kids or their kids'

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Speaker 4: best friends getting sick with measles because they're unvaccinated because

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Speaker 4: they were fed misinformation, right, And unfortunately, I don't want

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Speaker 4: the pain and suffering that's going to happen across the

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Speaker 4: country to happen. But I think it's inevitable. And I

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Speaker 4: think when you experience these things firsthand, there's no denying

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Speaker 4: the impacts, right, And I think that's what we're going

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Speaker 4: to see. I would like to prevent that as much

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Speaker 4: as possible by sharing the stories that we already have

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Speaker 4: rather than creating new ones. But with what I see

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Speaker 4: happening in Washington, I think it's inevitable that people are

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Speaker 4: going to experience these pains on a very personal level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. It's just so so dark.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Amanda.

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Speaker 4: Of course, thank you so much for having me. I

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Speaker 4: really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: And now we have a clip from our YouTube channel

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Speaker 2: where Molly interviews Randy Winegarden, the President of the American

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Speaker 2: Federation of Teachers.

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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to Fast Politics Today. I'm lucky enough

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Speaker 1: to be joined by Randy Winegarden, the President of the

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Speaker 1: American Federation of Teachers, to discuss why fascists attack teachers

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Speaker 1: and how we can push back against Trump's aggressions. Welcome back, Randy.

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Speaker 5: It's always great to see and to talk to you, Molly.

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Speaker 5: It kind of is one of the highlights of my

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Speaker 5: week or month.

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Speaker 1: Wow, the feeling is so mut all and here we

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Speaker 1: are in this post constitutional America. So tell me what

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Speaker 1: you guys are doing to protect teachers and to try

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Speaker 1: and protect what little of the guardrails we have left.

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Speaker 5: Let me start with the most immediate, which is this

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Speaker 5: week we are actually having a national Day of Action

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Speaker 5: locally and at this point hundreds of different places, and

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Speaker 5: it is very focused on what the public and the

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Speaker 5: community really wants, which is they want our kids to

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Speaker 5: have a decent education. They want our schools to prepare

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Speaker 5: our kids for success. They want the strivers and the

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Speaker 5: strugglers amongst us to have opportunity. That's part of what

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, regardless of whether somebody was a

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Speaker 5: Trump voter or Harris voter, they want to better life

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Speaker 5: for themselves and for their families. So March for our kids,

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Speaker 5: and we are protecting our kids on March fourth, and

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Speaker 5: we are focused on making sure that that federal education

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Speaker 5: dollar that goes for kids with disabilities, that goes for

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Speaker 5: kids who are poor that goes for kids who you know,

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Speaker 5: are the first in their families to go to college.

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Speaker 5: That goes for kids for career tech edge, that goes

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Speaker 5: for kids who are English language learners. All of these

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Speaker 5: funding streams are specific to kids all throughout the country.

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Speaker 5: We're fighting to protect our kids and protect that funding

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Speaker 5: and not let Donald Trump or Elon Musk blomb it

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Speaker 5: off for tax cuts for billionaires or for block grants

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Speaker 5: for vouchers. That's number one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is this war on the federal Department of

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Speaker 1: Education too going on.

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Speaker 5: So we have to do a lot more, or regardless

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Speaker 5: of whether you're a Democrat or Republican and independent, we

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Speaker 5: all have to do it a lot more to help

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Speaker 5: make sure that families in America have what they need

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Speaker 5: for a quality of life, for entry into the middle class,

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Speaker 5: whichever way you want to say it, for the American dream,

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Speaker 5: and it kind of comes down to the economic opportunity

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Speaker 5: and the education opportunity. And so what our members are

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Speaker 5: doing is we're tying in all these actions that Musk

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Speaker 5: or Trump or the others are doing to create chaos

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Speaker 5: and confusion and using that for tax cuts for the rich.

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Speaker 5: We're basically saying let's get back to first principles, which

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Speaker 5: is we need the funding for opportunity for kids and

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Speaker 5: or the medicaid funding. Don't take Medicaid away, don't make

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Speaker 5: things worse. So what we're trying to do is say

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Speaker 5: we got to make things better. You are elected to

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Speaker 5: make things better, not to make things worse. And we're

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Speaker 5: going to fight against making things worse, and then we're

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Speaker 5: going to fight for making things better. So we're not

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Speaker 5: doing the you know, they do five thousand eos every

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Speaker 5: day and each one of them. We're much more about

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Speaker 5: the music of the fight for a quality of life,

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Speaker 5: the fight for the middle class, and the fight against

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Speaker 5: the cruelty, the chaos, the confusion and hurting people.

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Speaker 1: Right, so you're less anti Trump and more pro working people.

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Speaker 5: Correct and ultimately creating the contrast because think about eggs.

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Speaker 5: They were supposed to do something about the price of eggs.

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Speaker 5: We have a digital billboard in Times Square right now.

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Speaker 5: The price of eggs, commodity price of eggs on January

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Speaker 5: twentieth was six dollars and fifty five cents. Commodity price

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Speaker 5: of eggs right now, yesterday eight dollars and five cents.

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Speaker 5: We're not talking about the grocery store price. And you know,

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Speaker 5: somebody now is saying, oh, yeah, there's bird flu. Well

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Speaker 5: it wasn't always bird flu. But also think about bird flu?

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Speaker 5: What is HHS? What is Robert Kennedy? What are they

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Speaker 5: all doing about bird flu? Nothing that I can see.

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Speaker 1: As we look at this kind of the trajectory right now.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to someone else earlier at this on

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Speaker 1: this podcast who was talking about how so many of

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Speaker 1: the billionaires just bowed down to Trump and we're like, fine,

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Speaker 1: let's do it. I don't care. We want to get

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Speaker 1: our spaceships into space. But one of the things that

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Speaker 1: were our tax cuts, right, or our tax cuts or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things that I think is interesting

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Speaker 1: is that's not what we're seeing from normal people.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: You explain to us how normal people are feeling right now?

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Speaker 5: Sure, and look, you know one of the things union members. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so I've been talking to our members about because they're

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Speaker 5: really frustrated and they're really scared, and they're thinking about,

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Speaker 5: oh my god, how do we fight back. We just

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Speaker 5: we want a better life for our people. We don't

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Speaker 5: we want a better life for our families. We don't

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Speaker 5: want the our life to be worse. We don't want

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Speaker 5: to lose our democracy and we don't want this you know,

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Speaker 5: wrecking ball because people are so are so tired of

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Speaker 5: the status quo. This wrecking ball makes things worse. So

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Speaker 5: what normal people or I would say non wealthy people

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Speaker 5: are thinking about is how do we decrease costs, how

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Speaker 5: do we increase wages? How do we protect and expand healthcare?

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Speaker 5: And how do we protect and expand retirement security? And

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Speaker 5: how do we make sure our streets are safe, our

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Speaker 5: schools are safe, and you know we're we're taking care

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Speaker 5: of our kids. So normal people are thinking writ large

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Speaker 5: about how they have opportunity and how they see a

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Speaker 5: better life and what does any of this chaos do

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Speaker 5: to them. That's what normal people are thinking about. And

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Speaker 5: for example, one of the things we've did in the

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Speaker 5: last couple of days is we questioned why the asset managers.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the next question I was going to ask.

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Speaker 2: To hear the rest of the interview, head over to

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Speaker 2: YouTube and search from Fast Politics with Molly Jung Fast.

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Speaker 3: No Fu, Rick Wilson, Mulli Jung Fast.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to play you the moment of fuckery because

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Speaker 1: it's so incredible, and I want to get your hottest take.

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Speaker 1: This is one of Trump's most amazing advisors. And I

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Speaker 1: don't mean amazing in a good way. Kevin has it?

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Speaker 1: Are you ready go?

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Speaker 4: Or is the fairness issues less?

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Speaker 3: Let's just be fair whatever you do, the US will

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Speaker 3: did you.

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Speaker 6: That's what he's asking for an April and that's not

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Speaker 6: a radical idea at all.

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Speaker 1: But let me ask.

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Speaker 6: I am confused now, but what you're saying about this

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Speaker 6: being a drug war and on his trade war solutely.

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Speaker 1: Let's just take Canada.

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Speaker 6: I mean you said Canada shipping fentanyl into the United States.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that's happening.

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Speaker 6: I mean one percent of fentanyl is being smuggled at Frost,

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Speaker 6: the Morner one percent. I mean, Canada is not a

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Speaker 6: major source that all of fentanyl in the United States.

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Speaker 3: Part so Molly, the idea that fentanyl is being secretly

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Speaker 3: covered up by Canada. You know what they're doing. They're

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Speaker 3: using the hollow Earth to travel to the Denver Airport

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Speaker 3: dimensional Portal, Yes, to bring in the fentanyl that was

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Speaker 3: manufactured on the on the lunar hologram. This is like

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Speaker 3: Reptilian overlord conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: Horseshit speak for yourself, man.

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Speaker 3: I know they want to make this into the maple

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Speaker 3: peril up there snow Mexico is poisoning au chrodran. But

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Speaker 3: it's it's so pathetic and at some point, like the

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Speaker 3: fentanyl driver as a major element of trump Ism, has

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Speaker 3: to collide with some reality. Fentanyl is a very very

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Speaker 3: very very bad product, is a very deadly thing. We

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Speaker 3: don't want it. But we're apparently going to do nothing

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Speaker 3: on the demand side about fentanyl. That's that's just where

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Speaker 3: we're just we just imagine in this country that are

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Speaker 3: incredibly successful previous wars on drugs are going to be

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Speaker 3: just successful with fente.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, listen, I don't want to cast aspersions here,

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Speaker 1: but that guy's either very dumb or very dishonest, because

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Speaker 1: there could be right, but they're they're not hiding fentanyl

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Speaker 1: and the maple syrup. That's not how any of this

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Speaker 1: is going.

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Speaker 3: It's not how any of this works. And the idea

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Speaker 3: that the fentanyl problem is going to be addressed by

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump imposing tariffs on Canada is a bank Shots

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Speaker 3: rarely work in life or politics, and this is like

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Speaker 3: a triple bank shot. So but it's just one more

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Speaker 3: conspiracy to feed the crazies I think.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: You are welcome as always, my friend. I'll talk to

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Speaker 3: you later.

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