WEBVTT - Jason Tartick 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.480 Did you fall in love with Becca Kufrian? 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.600 Yeah, and TV Land I was falling in love with Becca. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:08.719 But then you because when you're doing it, Brian, you 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.080 don't get your phone, no TV, no Internet, you can't 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:13.840 talk to your family, you can't talk to friends, you 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.919 don't hear music, and you're sequestered. Oh, you're sequestered. So like, 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.480 the only woman that I saw in like three months 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.759 and then a producer or two was her, So like, 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.920 you're and she's great, she's amazing, But I thinking, like. 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.240 All the producers are married, all the producer women is 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.760 the requirement you have to be married, so you can 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:54.520 only see one single woman over the course of three months. Yeah, 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.480 welcome back everybody. This is Off the Beat and I 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.000 am your host, Brian bomb Partner, my guest today is 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.440 a super successful business owner. He is a podcast host, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:09.199 he is an author, but he is probably best known 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.880 for his dating life. That's right, Bachelor Nation, Rise up 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.840 wherever you are, because today I am speaking with Jason Tartig. 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.240 He was a rising star in corporate banking in Seattle. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:27.840 He was plucked from obscurity and into the glorious world 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:32.959 of reality dating television. He appeared on season fourteen of 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:37.399 The Bachelorette with Beca, But sadly, he did not find 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.959 true love. We'll discuss that today, I promise. But despite 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.320 his nationally broadcast heartbreak, he has bounced back to become 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:50.760 a successful entrepreneur in the investing and financial education world. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.800 He is the host of the podcast Trading Secrets, which 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.320 is all about financial transparency. He's also the author of 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.800 the new book Talk Money to Me, which is all 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:06.440 about having the hard conversations about money in your relationships. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.440 That book is out this week, so we're going to 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.520 dive into all of that. How he ruined his mom's 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.360 bachelor addiction by going on the show, the pitfalls of 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.400 being a Buffalo Bill's fan, and stars who call the 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.160 paparazzi on themselves. I promise that is not me, but 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:28.079 it does happen. This is a fun one. He's handsome, 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:34.280 he's successful. Here he is the extremely eligible Jason Tardick, 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:43.239 Burble and Squeak. I love it Burble and Squeak. No 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.640 Burble and Squeaker cook at every month lift over from 0:02:49.680 --> 0:03:03.079 the nine before. What's up, Jason, Ryan, How you doing 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:07.280 by man? I mean, you know, I could I could 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.639 tell you exactly, but it doesn't matter, like nobody truly nobody. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.000 Well, i'll tell you what you know you. I don't 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.360 know if you remember this, Brian, but you and I 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.200 were playing at the celebrity Sweat Flag Football together game 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.080 in the Super Bowl and you were you were killing 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.760 it then, so I'm sure you're killing it now. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:26.480 Well, listen, I do remember that. That was all I 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.200 know about that game is everyone got hurt. And here's 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.760 the thing about me. I got hurt in warm ups 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.160 and you know who didn't say anything me. I didn't 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.600 say a damn thing. I just took it. I just 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:48.400 took See. Here's the thing, RGI three in warm ups. 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.600 I don't even know what he's like. You know, he's 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.400 like saying, hey, take do this out come in do 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.160 that he throws at seventy five miles an hour. Okay, fine, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.800 I catch it. Let's be clear. Totally jam my thumb, 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.800 I mean like jammed it, like it was inside out 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.920 on my hand, pulsing. And you know what, I didn't 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.280 say anything. Everybody else says, I mean he he falls 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.280 on his mic pack and breaks his ribs and punctures 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.880 is lung. He complains, I don't complain. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.400 You know, you're just a warrior. And I will tell 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:24.880 you this, that's the biggest misconception behind NFL quarterbacks. It 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.960 is the freaking speed at which they throw that ball. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.480 It's like catching the baseball. It's nuts. But you know what, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.600 did you play a snap that day or did you 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.440 just act like like, nah, you know, I'll sit one 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:36.040 out for the team. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.680 No. I played. I played a few snaps, uh, and 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.479 then I ended up. UH. They were like, hey, can 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.200 you go up and talk to uh? You know our 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.280 men and women in military, they're listening on radio. They're like, hey, 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.839 can you go say hi in the booth? I was 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.320 like absolutely, are you kidding? Absolutely, I'll be better served 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.839 up there. I don't know. It was like forty five 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.440 minutes later. Am I this entire game? Like I thought 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.200 I was saying hi in the booth? I go through 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.600 seven or eight commercial breaks and I'm still I'm like, guys, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.480 I think my team needs me down there. I don't know, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.400 but anyway, it was, it was. It was a really 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:22.320 good time. I know you're a Big Bills guy. Talk 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:23.960 about somebody who fires the ball. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.839 Oh yeah, Huge Bills guy Josh Allen fires that ball. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.720 He was flowing around the Super Bowl a little bit. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.000 It was, you know, good to see him out having 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.080 a good time. But yeah, I've been a born and 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:38.839 raised Buffalo Bill's fan, fortunately and unfortunately for thirty five years. 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:43.560 Now. Have you have you have you gotten to note 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:44.360 Josh a little bit? 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.080 Yeah? You know, the first time I actually ever came 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.600 across Josh was in two thousand. Shoot, I think it 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.360 was twenty twenty one is Super Bowl and he's like, yo, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.200 come over here, and he was waving at me, Brian, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.440 and I looked behind me. I'm like, he can't be 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.640 waving at me, and he was waving at me, and 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.320 I was like, oh god. So I went over hung 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.600 out with him, and he said that he had watched 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.279 a little bit of The Bachelor, so he knew of 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.400 my past. And I'm like, this is unbelievable. I was 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.440 drinking beers with Josh Allen at the Barstool party and 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.400 that was like, that was like my pinnacle in life 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:17.919 right there. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.440 Well, I was going to say, if you were hanging 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.479 out with him at a super Bowl, it wasn't because 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:25.520 he was playing. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:30.479 Oh Brian's drop of bombs on me. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.800 No, I'm just saying, I mean, we have, many of 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.520 us have expected it. Now for a while I did, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.360 uh well, I thought this last year was going to 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.360 be their year. But he is just a super nice guy, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:53.159 obviously incredibly talented and always very very kind when when 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.200 we run into each other, normally on a golf course. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:02.200 I'll be honest. But yeah, so you grew up in Buffalo. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.920 Yeah, yeah, So I was born and raised in Buffalo, 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:09.160 played hockey, soccer, lacrosse there, and then I ended up 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.960 going into I went to D three school outside Buffalo, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.360 New York, and I kind of was like the corporate 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.520 bank or soldier, like tell me where to go and 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.000 how to go. And I moved from New York to 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.680 Seattle and it was then at twenty nine, I got 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.600 this random call to go on the Bachelorette of all things, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.240 and that was kind of my step into this whole 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.320 crazy world of entertainment and media about six years ago. 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.360 Okay, now hold on a second. You just went through 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.320 so much so fast. Here, let's break this down for 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.680 a second. Okay, So, first off, I was just in 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.680 Buffalo for the first time. Uh Is that right? Yeah? 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.720 I think that's right. First time I was in Rochester 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.600 in Buffalo this last year, fantastic place. 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:51.640 Well watch you there. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:59.680 Well I did something in Rochester and then I had 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.480 something in Toronto, and I was told, uh yeah, that 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:09.280 it was close. So I decided to drive. Although I 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.440 will say when the people said, oh you just drive, 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.440 that seemed very easy. No one would give me a 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.080 car like no one would. No one would allow me 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.320 to rent a car and drive it into Canada and 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:26.240 then leave it in Canada. So I ended up this 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.880 day Made of the Mist. I don't know, holds a 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.640 special sentimental thing in my past, but I had never 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.719 been on it myself. Uh, so I went on the 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.280 Maid of the Mist. So I drove all the way 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.720 to Canada, did the Maid of the Mist, and then 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.480 drove back to Buffalo to get a car to take 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.720 me literally right over the bridge where I just was 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.880 to go into Canada. So that have you been on 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:53.600 the Maid of the Mist? 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.840 Oh yeah, Well I lived in Rochester for a few years, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.280 so that drive everybody's talking about. You're talking like four 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:01.839 and a half hours, So I don't know who sent 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.480 you that direction. But then you go to Niagara Falls, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.720 and the best part about Niagara Falls there's this old story. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.160 I don't know if it's even true that the mafia 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.640 owns the American side and so they have held out, 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.600 apparently on doing anything. I don't know if it's true, 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.760 but if you look at the Canadian side, it's like 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.480 a mini little Disneyland over there. They got Ferris Wheels 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.320 and casuos and restaurants, and there's nothing on the on 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.360 the American side. But I did the Maid and the 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.520 miss with with like my thing is my high school 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.719 sweetheart or one of my exes, so it too has 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.760 a sentimental place in my heart. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:38.000 Run there you go, and now you went. You went 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.280 to college, and you went to and you got a 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.880 master's in business right at University of Rochester. You were 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.120 just now, why did you want to get into business? 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:50.120 Early on? 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.360 I mean I started off as a as a history major, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.240 So if that tells you anything, I was just a 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.800 lost kid in freshman year. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:57.320 Yeah. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.680 The one thing, the one thing that always intrigued me 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.960 was my my grandfather was a hustler. Like he had 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.679 he had like poker games underground at his house and 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.320 he owned a small grocery store. And then my dad 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.600 was always into businesses. And I started like lemonade stands 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:15.840 when I was like six, trying to sell the most 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.240 expensive lemonade. So I was always intrigued with with the 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.760 the idea of business. But the biggest thing to me, Brian, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.600 was I feel like in my life I got you know, 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.760 here and there I was lied to, Like I feel 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.360 like stories in this world shift and context change. What 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.480 I loved about numbers is that they don't lie, like 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.160 they tell the truth. And so I was always attracted 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:37.760 to numbers from an early ag job. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:44.240 Interesting and then why why Seattle and you were in 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.520 You were in full on corporate banking, right, Yeah. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.040 I was full corporate banking, full steam. And to me, Brian, 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.080 it was like at this time, I was just like 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.560 the yes man, like tell me where to go, and 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.320 I'll go. So I took that whole mentality of like 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.480 I will be early, I will stay late, I will 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.960 exceed expectations. And I kind of lived the like entirety 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.080 of my life through my twenties through my job title. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.320 And so when they offered me an opportunity to move 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.840 to Seattle, I took it. Now I have a podcast 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.079 called Trading Secrets, and so what we do on Trading 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.880 Secrets I'd love to have yacht at some point. We 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.920 have you know, different celebrities and public figures talk about, 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.520 you know, where they made money, how much they made like, 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.079 you know, whether it was Gronkowski, a Rod or one 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:30.559 of the Real House of New York, Like what do 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.240 you pay per episode? What'd you get paid on that 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.400 brand deal? Where'd you lose money? Because I've always been 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.960 intrigued with that. So I'm very open about money for 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.480 your listeners when they hear me talk about it. And 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.200 I liked, I think healthy conversations about money can like 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.560 really help us as we're all trying to navigate in 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.080 the world that we weren't taught this shit. So but 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.199 I was twenty nine years old. I got offered this job. 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.079 It was twenty seventeen, and it was one hundred and 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.800 sixty five base, one hundred and ten signing bonus, and 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.800 I could make up to like three times my base 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.120 based on performance. So I didn't know one person Seattle, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.280 but I was like, I'll take in that deal. Let's 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.559 go pack my bags and moved across the country. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.640 So I don't know. I mean, you brought up the mafia, 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.320 and you brought up being like very transparent about money. 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.440 I think maybe what you're going to learn about me 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:21.719 today is I'm I might be connected. Oh I don't know. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.400 I don't ever. I don't ever talk about my money. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.240 Oh you're one of those guys. So like if you 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.320 if you were asked, if you were asked just that curious. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.360 You don't have to answer. It's your podcast, not mine. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.640 Would you be comfortable talking about like what you made 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.160 on your episodic basis and how you negotiate and when 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.240 you made like the big payday or does that make 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:42.680 you like super uncomfortable? 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.319 Yeah? No, no, Yeah, I don't know. I don't I mean, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.160 I don't you know. I had two hobbies that took 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:54.760 a long long time, golf and and and poker, so 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:56.520 I had I felt like I had to give up 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.840 one for for life choices and and fail family sanity. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.400 So I gave up poker. But yeah, no, that used 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.960 to be. At the like local game that we had 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.800 in La was people would start talking about how much 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.920 money I had on the table, and I would say that, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:18.760 don't talk about my money, talk about my money. Just 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.000 concern yourself with yours and me taking it. I don't 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.559 worry about my money. 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.280 I love that. Now we had our podcast, we had 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.080 Daniel ran on and hed a little bit about some 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.040 of those underground games. We also had Molly Bluemon who 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.560 right is from Molly's Game? Yes, I mean there's some 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.920 crazy shit that happens in those underground games. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.760 Brian, Yeah, yeah, well those are not that's that's what 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.720 that was above. That's that's that's above, my pig rade. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.640 I will I will fully admit I have not been 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:47.560 in Molly's Game. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.680 I would would you ever admit the most amount of 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.120 money at a poker table that's been in your stack? 0:13:55.480 --> 0:14:02.000 No? No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. I mean maybe 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.360 if we were having a beer and we weren't. Yeah, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.839 but no, I do not, probably not. I don't know. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.960 That's fascinating to me. Well, here's people just want to 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.520 talk to you about this on. I mean, this is 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.120 a self, this is a cell right now about your 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.720 Trading Secrets podcast. I mean, I'm definitely gonna listen to 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.560 that now. I mean I was ready to plug it 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.760 and check it out, but now kidding me, Well, here. 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.040 Let me ask you this though, because I love these conversations. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:30.960 You don't have to answer any of them. But like, 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.520 when you think about why you don't like talking about it, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.920 there is something behaviorally, and it could be good, it 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.920 could be bad. It could be protection, it could be stigma, bragging, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.600 weaponizing what people think. Like, what do you think the 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.560 real reason is when you hear like me asking you 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.560 about your stack or what you made on an episodic basis, Like, 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:51.720 why does that make you uncomfortable? What is it? 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.240 You know, it's funny. I just made a joke. Who 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.600 did I just make a joke? Oh yeah, I was 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.920 hosting this thing with a profeon golfer and I started 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:06.160 ribbing him. Uh because you know, of course the purses 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:10.520 for professional golf tournaments are public, so I know exactly 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.120 to the scent how much money he made on a 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:18.120 particular weekend. Right, I think it's I don't know, maybe 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.440 it's maybe it's my southern upbringing or something, and I 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.680 that sounds like a hedge or something. I think it's 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.920 uncouth to talk about money. Yeah, yeah, I mean in 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.960 terms of myself, I'm I'm totally happy and I'm totally 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:37.280 happy to discuss discuss things in general. But yeah, I mean, right, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.480 doesn't that make it just about you? And what you're 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:42.240 I don't know. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.280 I think I think it's the exercise of like trying 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:51.000 to analyze where is the situation where coming and talking 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.200 about money is stopped at in your tracks, and then 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.960 understanding why because I'm guessing, but just stay based on 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.760 this conversation, I do feel if I asked you certain 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.560 jobs you had before things went really well, or like 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.120 maybe your toughest time trying to make it in that 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.200 space when like you couldn't even maybe afford your next meal, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.960 what was that like? Or someone like the tough times. 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.360 Some people get really comfortable talking about that, but it's 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.920 like when they talk about the successes, it comes off 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.880 they feel like braggadocious. But what I think is cool 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.360 is that through each person's story, especially someone like you 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.520 who's had such cool successes, through your story, there's a 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.200 lot of people out there that are really really struggling 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.400 but have the dreams and aspiration to be you. And 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.200 it could be hearing your success and what you did 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.800 in your times of disarray financially that keeps them focused, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.600 that keeps them motivated. So I think if we do 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.360 it in a healthy, like non weaponizing way, we could 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.000 actually like motivate inspire and learn a lot. That's kind 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.080 of my thesis. And I think that if we don't 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:55.240 talk about it, we're actually just like hurting ourselves as 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:59.840 consumers and employees and business owners and just like our 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:01.040 over all financial health. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.600 That's very interesting, and I think on a I think 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:11.080 in a utopian from a in a utopian space, I 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.000 hear what you're saying, but let's be honest with you. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:14.679 Yeahs it. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:19.320 And I'm speaking of truly, like just in general, if 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.080 you're a quarterback in the National Football League and all 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:26.359 those contracts are public, and you see a contract that 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.040 you of someone who you believe you are better than, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.119 it becomes about getting one more dollar than that person. 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.040 And what is that like? I will say this, I 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:45.040 feel like I feel like for myself, I am at 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:49.199 least proud of and at times maybe under sell myself. 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.679 But I feel like I am able very often to 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:58.400 analyze the situation and determine, based on whatever that particular 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:06.840 market is, determine what I should be compensated. And I 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.879 think the thing that's unique about what I know is 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:14.040 unique about me and my perspective on that is in 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:19.360 this world, it's about the negotiation, and you have lawyers 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:26.000 who are UH who depend upon that negotiation UH to 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.480 for their survival right, which of course ends up eating 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.800 up a bunch of money. I say an amount of 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.680 money and that's it, and there's. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.600 There's no negotiation that amount of money. 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:43.000 Well no, but it's but it's not. It's not in 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.919 an adversarial way. It's a I've I have preanalyzed your side, 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.760 and I have determined that this is the right amount 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.240 of money, and it's and I'm not over selling it, 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:58.800 which to me makes things much simpler. And and it 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.240 doesn't matter to me what anyone else is making or 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.080 where I'm making in regard to anybody else. I have 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.240 analyzed the situation. I believe this is the amount, and 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:10.240 this is the amount. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:15.840 Interesting, I do think that is unconventional. I think it's 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.800 a talent and skill set you have that most people don't. 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.480 But I think if we look at like anything, and 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.280 I love this conversation, by the way, if we look 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.840 at like anything in America, everything that is that we 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.600 do based on our willingness to pay the price of 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.320 a stock, what we are paid, what we pay for gas. 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.120 Obviously there's uncontrollables, but a lot of it is all 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:39.359 based on your simple theory of economics, like willing to 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.639 pay based on supply and demand, and then people fluctually. Right, 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.000 we know restaurant prices are up twenty five percent last 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.440 four years. We know that child daycare is up forty 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.600 one percent in the last two years, so we know 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.000 that prices changed based on economic conditions but also people's 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.840 willingness to pay. So I think the idea of like 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.840 the arbitrary of analyzing yourself and naming your numbers very specific, 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.400 very unique. I feel like I want you to write 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:03.760 a book on it because I want to read it. 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.080 And I'll even go back to your quarterback statement, like 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.240 I would actually disagree with your quarterback statement. And I 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.560 think the people that have utilized the fact that they 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.760 understand that they are underpaid but there's a greater long 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.520 term play are the ones that are making more money 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:24.359 than anyone. Now. Classic example, right, Tom Brady took a 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.480 paid cut so that his team could be completely stacked. 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.240 He won the Super Bowls that he did. And I 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.880 guarantee you Tom Braid is making a minimum I would 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:37.520 say a minimum of three x what he's making now 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.879 than he was playing. And I know some of this 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:41.919 is just even the small little bit of it is 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.679 like even Gronk Brock has come on my show and 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.000 talked about it. He's making way more money now than 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.679 he did playing. So I think people that could eat 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.959 or maybe even yourself, right, maybe if you were paid less, 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.400 but you knew that your involvement in the show would 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.439 be more. Your brand, your longevity if your brand is 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.040 even greater. So I don't know. It's just fun conversation. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.560 But the one thing I'll say, and then we could 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.800 pause this or we could go into a different direction, 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.880 is with the book, is talk money to me? We 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.560 know that having conversations with loved ones or our significant 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:16.159 other about money statistically prove it puts us in a 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.520 better position to succeed. And I could bore you with 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.880 eight thousand stats, but that one we know for sure. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.840 I do want to dive into your store. You're in Seattle, 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:48.240 you're working as a money manager. Tell me how did 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:49.919 you get on the Bachelorette? 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.879 Yeah, so I got well, I did this thing. So 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:57.159 Guilda's club. Gilda Radner, famous comedian. She died abruptly of 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.920 ovarian cancer. So they created this non for profit called 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.840 Guild this club and they did this Bachelor auction where 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.080 they recruited thirty guys to come on and raise money 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.520 for the non for profit. And that night I came 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.640 out to old time rock and roll. Everyone's wearing like tuxedos, 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:14.439 and I was like, I gotta win this thing. So 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.600 I start stripping, I started taking everything off. I start 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.159 going nuts, and I raised the most money of the 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:23.320 thirty bachelors. So there was a video from that night 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:28.920 that was sent to ABC of me, and you know, 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:33.280 there's three thousand people in the audience and two people 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:38.639