WEBVTT - Arron Oberholser 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.560 I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:04.960 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.000 And when I find my ball in a brid Egg 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.160 Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Frida Egg, fridagg, Frida Egg, 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.360 Bride Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:14.160 golf course. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.760 Welcome back for another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.640 This week, we're happy to welcome on Aaron Oberholzer. Aaron 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.840 is a former PGA Tour player who made his way 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.360 into the top twenty five in the world rankings and 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.360 won the two thousand and six Pebble Beach Pro Am. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.200 His career was cut short by injuries, so now he 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:04.480 is a regular contributor on the Golf Channel. Aaron, thanks 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:05.000 for coming on. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.880 Thanks for having me Andy. I appreciate it. I'm excited. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.320 Yeah, it's It's always nice when you know you got 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.040 a guy that can talk great golf courses and architecture 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:20.200 and also can dive into the tour, so you know 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.600 it should be a good golf nerd talk today. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.640 Well, you can put me on that list of a 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.720 long list of golf nerds, that's for sure. I enjoy 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:30.119 I enjoyed talking about the game. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.479 Yeah, so why don't you give us a little bit 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.160 of a background on your golf career and how you 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.800 got into golf and you know what you're doing now. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.800 I started playing when I was I started swinging a 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:51.000 golf club when I was about one with a metal head, 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.680 one with a metal head and a metal chef. When 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:57.760 I was about eight years old, my grandparents, maternal grandparents, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.160 bought me my first set of golf clubs, and I 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.120 used to go up to the range with my mom. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.680 My mom and dad divorced when I was six, so 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.440 I was raised by my mom. I saw my dad 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.600 on the weekends and my dad would take me out 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.120 when we would go over to his place. My brother 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:14.560 and I would go to his place. My dad would 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.320 take us out to this little part three golf course 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.880 in the East Bay, Oakland called Lake Chabaux, and we'd play. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.919 We'd play the little nine hole parts three. I don't 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.680 even know if it's still there anymore, but it was. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.400 It was a great place to learn on And then 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.160 other than that, when I when I got my dad said, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.560 I'm not taking you a big golf course until you 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.960 can hit your driver two hundred yards in the air, 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.919 and you know, he didn't want me to slow people down. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.720 And it's much more liberal now with kids on the 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.360 golf course, but that's kind of the way it was 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.840 back then. It was a it was an older gentleman's 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.440 game to middle aged person's game, and there wasn't a 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:52.560 lot of There wasn't a lot of openings for young 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:54.720 people in the game unless you went out unless you 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.240 remembered a club and you went out with your parents 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.120 who remembers at that club late in the day, a 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.160 three four, and you stayed away from the older members 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.320 who were playing quote unquote serious golf out there. So 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:09.720 that's how I kind of learned. I was a publics 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.560 kid my whole life, and so I grown up in 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.680 the San Francisco Bay area. We had a pleusora of 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.720 courses to choose from a from a from a public 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.120 standpoint that were great, you had hearting. I grew up 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.920 at Salmateo Muni, I always called Samatalo Muni. It's called 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.880 Poplar Creek now, but it's on the bay. You know, 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.800 in the springtime, during high school matches and high school practice, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.600 they turned the fan on like clockwork at about one pm, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:44.120 and it had blown a steady twenty with potentially getting 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:48.400 up to thirty miles an hour, and every afternoon. I've 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.080 never played a day out at San Mateo Muni where 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.880 the wind didn't blow. It always bleue. So it was 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.880 a dead flat golf course. But it taught you how 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.400 to control your ball flight. It taught you that it 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.240 taught out to and putt really well because you didn't 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.200 hit a ton of greens. Greens were small and you're 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.000 always missing them because of the wind. So you became 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.200 a good ball striker, and at the same time you 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.280 became a good pitcher and putter of the ball as well, 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.560 because putting on bumpy polana, you're gonna go one way 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.279 or the other. You're either gonna get scared the death 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.000 of it, or it's going to turn you into a 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.919 beastly good putter. And then the other course that I 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.480 grew up on that I give a lot of credit 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.039 to was Crystal Springs, again very different than Uni. It 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.400 was up in the hills in Berlin, game up on 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.039 top by two to eighty. The big freeway that runs 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.560 north and south in San Francisco from San Francisco to 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.960 San Jose and it was cut literally cut into the 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.480 side of a mountain, and I can count three flat 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.760 lies on the entire golf course. Three. That's all you had. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:47.839 The ball was above your feet, below your feet, a 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.680 combination of one or the other the whole way around. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.760 You never had a flat lie, and the wind blew 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.120 twenty every day. So you learned how to play very 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.279 feel oriented golf. You learn how to hit all the 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:06.479 shots under all kinds of conditions. And I think that's 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.520 one of the one of the ways my creativity with 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.080 my ball straking came about is playing those two golf courses. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.440 It also it also real I also realized that when 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.440 to score on those two golf courses, you had to 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.960 play good golf. I mean, you're playing with the straight 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:27.080 ballattas back in those days, and you had to have 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.040 all the shots. You had to be able to hit 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.039 a four iron from one hundred and fifty yards into 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.919 a twenty five mile hour win and just bump it 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.320 up there. You had to learn how to chip with 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.760 a four and five iron with those big kitched greens 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.440 from back to front, you know, at Crystal Springs and 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.640 Muni where you're putting your those bumpy plans. You'd take 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.520 a four iron and maybe you were a yard or 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.200 two off the green and you just you literally hit 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.080 it like a putter, but it was a forearm. You'd 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.520 chip with it up those greens because when the greens 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.080 were wet, you'd be if you didn't learn how to 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.479 take spin off the ball, you'd rip that ball back 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.920 off the green into the wind on that soft planta. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.120 So I learned a lot of different shops around there, 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.160 and then when I got a little older, the guys 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.839 I met some one of my best friends Dad joined 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.120 cal Club and I got introduced to the California Golf 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.039 Club at about fourteen or fifteen years old, and i'd 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:16.840 go up with them once a month or so in 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:18.880 high school and i'd play with them up there. So 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.960 those were my three main places that I played. And 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:22.880 I played harding every once in a while, and I 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.039 played Palo Alto Muni every once in a while. We 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.560 had high school matches at Green Hills and Menlo Country 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.359 Club and all those places around there, and it was 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.920 a great variety, great variety of golf courses to learn 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.039 on to grow up on. But the one theme was 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.640 bumpy three o'clock Polana when you played high school matches, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.080 so you had to turn yourself into a fearlessly good putter. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.000 And then that's what I think the bay area of 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.080 the most war in my golf game coming up was 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.839 that if you can put on Bumpy three o'clock Polanta, 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.599 you can put on anything. You know. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.839 It's interesting people complain, you know, when the tour goes 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:03.159 to the West Coast, and but it seems like the 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.520 really great putters separate themselves when they get on that 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.000 po Like you see Snedeker, you know, plays great on 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.280 the West Coast. Speeth has always putted well out there, 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.400 and you know, one of the one the Pebble Beach, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.960 you know, putting beautifully. So do you think Poe kind 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.080 of you know, there's a lot of you know, rumblings 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.600 about it, but do you think it's something that separates 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.960 really great putters from like a mental side of things. Mostly? 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.400 Absolutely, absolutely, it's it's it's mainly mental. There's some technique 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.360 I think that guys can use, but I think it's 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.080 I agree, I think it's mainly mental. Guys see the 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:38.840 ball bouncing all over the place, They're like, how am 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.320 I supposed to make a putt on this stuff, and 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.160 I think I had such a mental advantage over people 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.000 on the West Coast, at least I always looked at it. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.360 When I got to the Green Tea Green, I wasn't 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.760 the I wasn't going to dominate anybody by any stretch 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.080 of the imagination. Tea Green. I was a I had. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:57.720 I was a four on the floor guy. I didn't 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.440 have a fifth year or sixth year like a lot 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.280 of the guys do today. I had to wedge it. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.800 I had to hit good mid irons to short irons. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.720 I didn't have that kind of game, so I had 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.360 to learn how to do it more tactically. And I 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:11.760 had to putt well. I had to wedge it well, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.840 and I had to putt well. And I felt like 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:15.760 I did those things fairly well, and especially on the 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.400 West Coast, where my brain would just flip the switch 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.160 and go and I literally think, I own these guys. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.720 I own these guys on the West Coast. I'd think 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:25.400 like that, and you have to think like that, I 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.640 think to a certain extent. And it was just the 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.920 reverse when I get to Florida and I'd put against 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:32.880 those guys who grew up in Florida. I'm like, Jesus, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.080 how do you put these damn bermuda greens? Man? I 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:37.960 have no idea what the ball is going to do. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.040 And for the first couple of years on tour, on 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.760 the web tour, I'd get out there and i'd get 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.000 to the southeast, I'd just pull my hair out because 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.320 I didn't understand grain all that much, because we didn't 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.440 play on a lot of it in California unless you 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.800 went to the Central Valley around Presno area. There was 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.760 some bermuda greens down there, but I didn't play on 0:08:54.800 --> 0:09:01.120 them hardly at all. And so I understand why guys 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.000 from Florida would come out to the West Coast and 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.560 they'd pitch a fit, and then US West Coasters would 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.600 go to Florida and we pitched we pitch a fit 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.280 out there well, because we just couldn't. A lot of 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.040 us couldn't. Had a hard time with the grain. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.680 Yeah, it's uh, it is. I grew up playing bent greens, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.800 and but I would go to Florida a lot, so 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.800 you know, I I'm pretty comfortable on bermuda, but when 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.920 I lived out in La and put it on po 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.480 I mean, it's a whole different experience because I was 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.640 playing a lot of late afternoon rounds at Ramfield Park, 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.679 which is you know, UNI in LA and like, you know, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.640 those are just bumpy greens, and you know that bumpy 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.520 Poe is a different beasts. I'm curious you touched on 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.280 it a little bit when you were talking about the 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.920 Blattas and it's been in the news. A ton being 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.839 somebody that's kind of lived through the you know, technology 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.080 era and played at a high level through it. You know, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.320 you've played in the late nineties, and you know, how 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.320 is technoloology really what do you think has it changed? 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.600 How has changed the game the most in the last 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:06.600 twenty years or so? 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.600 Oh? The ball, I mean it's the ball, not even close. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.920 It's definitely the ball and the combination of the driver 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:16.600 for sure. I mean someone would say, well, you can't 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.760 have one without the other, and really you can't. The 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.480 driver's changed and the ball's changed. Those are the two 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.040 biggest changes in the game. And then a close third 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:33.280 potentially is our hybrids after that iron technology at the 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.240 professional level. Blades are blades. You know, a blade is 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:37.920 a blade as a blade as a blade. It doesn't 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.880 matter what blade you pick. You just got to like 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.199 to look at it. They're all going to do the 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:47.280 same thing as far as blades are concerned. But the ball, 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.520 for sure, I'll never forget. When I first got a 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.960 box of the of the original Provy ones from Titleist, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:58.000 I was I just turned professional in nineteen late nineteen 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.280 ninety eight. I was out at Stanford and I was 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.400 and I was down there just playing, and I decided 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:09.240 I had my I had my my regular professional nineties 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.720 that I was very happy with. That was an excellent 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.199 wound ball. Yeah, and one of my favorite balls of 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.880 all time. Actually, uh, even to this day, it's still 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.160 one of my favorite balls of all time. And then 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:26.400 I had this box of these Probe ones and they 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.719 were they were testing, they weren't even they weren't even 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.719 coming out yet. But it was either nine I think 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.480 it might have been ninety nine. Actually I don't think 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:33.800 it was ninety eight. I think it was it was. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.240 It was early in the spring in ninety nine, and 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.400 it was it was set to come out, you know, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.280 I think in two thousand, but they had for some reason, 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.720 I had, uh, some of these balls. And now I'm 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.120 losing track of time. It was ninety nine two thousand 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:50.760 somewhere in there. I can't wrap it. But I was 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.280 on the Canadian Whore I totally remember. And I'm playing 0:11:53.600 --> 0:12:00.160 with these balls, and I'm and I'm and i'm i'm 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.280 I'm comparing them side by side. And I get to 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.320 the second hole at Stanford and I decide, all right, 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:07.840 I'm going to try these things. And I'm and i'm 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.240 I'm very reluctant. I'm a I'm a serial tinker. I'll 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.360 tinker with anything, but it takes a lot for me 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.400 to put it in my bag. A lot. I mean, 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.040 it's got to be remarkably better for me to switch 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.080 anything out if I know I'm comfortable with something and 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:29.240 I like something. And so I took it out on 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.000 the second hole. On the second shot, I ripped the 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.720 driver around the corner, kind of played like a hard draw, 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.600 and I had nine iron in And so I'm sitting 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.040 there going, Okay, let me, I'll drop, I'll hit my 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.400 I'll hit my my regular ball, and then I'll hit 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.679 the provy one. So I hit my regular professional ninety 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.400 and I hit this beautiful nine iron in the middle 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.120 of my stands and I kind of flighted it really 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.840 gorgeous in it, and it went like like a four 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.000 iron or a five iron would go today. I mean, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.560 just this gorgeous little flighted night iron in there, about 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.280 twelve fifteen feet. I remember the shot like it was yesterday. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.000 And then I dropped the pro v one and I 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.560 hit it and the thing went freaking straight in the air, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.920 and I'm like, that's not a window I'm familiar with. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.559 And it went about five yards further, so I'm about 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.880 a half a club longer, and I was about i'd 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.840 say twenty five thirty feet behind the pin, and so 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:24.600 the rest of the nine holes, I was just trying 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.160 to figure out how far this ball was going to 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.640 go and what it did, and I wasn't comfortable with it, 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.320 so I didn't. I didn't end up playing it on 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.240 the Canadian tour. We didn't get him until I think 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.960 late two thousand, but I remember testing and I'm like, man, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.000 I just I didn't like the original trov one because 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.640 I felt like I didn't have the same control. And 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.760 then I'm down at Q School playing with Cameron Beckman 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.040 in a practice round at the two thousand Q School 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.520 in Lakinta, and we're at the Nicholas Private Course and 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.840 Cameron could hit it, he could create some speed. And 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.760 I hit a drive off one I can't remember which 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:04.720 hole it was on the Nicholas Court Nicholas Private and 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.400 I popped it out there pretty good. And then he 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.280 gets up there with that new pro V one, uh 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.960 and pops it and he's twenty five by me. Now, 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:17.120 I'm usually I was shorter than Cameron normally back then, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.480 probably by but not by twenty five yards. And I'm 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:25.040 like wow. And he was consistently twenty to twenty five 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:29.360 yards passed me all day long. And I'm sitting here going, man, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.520 this is this, this is this might be a game 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.440 changer here. Well, I ended up playing with my regular 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.040 professional ninety when there was a few guys, more than 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.800 a few guys. I believe it would switch to the 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.080 pro V one that week, and I ended up missing 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.440 my card by a shot in that Q school and 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:47.320 was and had to go to the web Tour, which 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.760 was a blessing in disguise quite honestly. But but that's 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.520 when I knew that things were going were about to change, 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.400 when I saw a guy hit it twenty five, you know, 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.880 twenty twenty five thirty by me times when I'm sitting 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.320 there going, oh man, you know, I'm roasting these and 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:09.320 I'm not even coming close to him. So it was 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.040 an eye opener for sure. And that's where the ball changed. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.120 But then again then it changed again in two thousand 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.120 and three. And the funny thing is when the X 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.240 came out. That's that, in my opinion, is the ball 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.680 that changed the ball. And when the X came out 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.080 and earning set records at Kapalua when the wind didn't 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.400 blow that year and shot thirty or thirty one und 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.320 or something crazy like that for four rounds, and that's 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:32.520 when I knew. And I was on tour. I was 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.360 a rookie on tour that year, and I'm thinking, I'm going, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.720 oh my god, what is going on here? And so 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.720 when I do my research for certain tournaments, the Masters 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.400 is one of those tournaments. I don't take records before 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.680 two thousand and three. I don't even bother looking at it. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.560 If you want to talk about history and get the 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.040 warm and fuzzies with history, that's fine. But I don't 0:15:56.200 --> 0:16:03.000 bother looking at any scoring or this or that or 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:09.280 anything at Augusta prior to two thousand and three because 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.320 the ball was when the ball was changed. There's a 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:17.560 reason six lefties have won in Augusta since since the 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.560 Prov one X came out, since titleist prov one X 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.960 came out, because they could hit bomb cuts with it, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.680 and you could control a bomb cut, you can control 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.960 a knuckle cut, and you could hit that shot with 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.240 that ball, whereas it's harder to control a hard draw 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.000 with that ball. So it gave the lefties. That ball 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.000 gave lefties and a decent advantage like Bubba, like Weird 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:40.760 back in two thousand and three. Now, Weird didn't win 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.120 it with his ball striking, and he wanted to know 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.440 three with his putting. But nonetheless, I've betually he felt 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.960 more confident standing on holes like ten and thirteen and 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.040 fourteen and two when you really got to slide a 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.080 hard one around the corner to give yourself an opportunity 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.560 to get to certain holes and to have to have 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.960 the axium amount of distance and get yourself out there 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.560 with a cut, whereas before the ball would spin a 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.639 little bit more and you couldn't you didn't get the distance, 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.800 whereas the guys who could turn one down with a 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.320 spinier ball took just enough spin off of it, but 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.960 could still control it. Yeah, and the game now, the 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.720 game shifted right then and there in three So that's 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.239 where I think it really changed. And then drivers has 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:24.000 slowly caught up with the ball. But the ball, I mean, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.399 the ball has been ahead of a game for the 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.120 better part of thirteen fourteen years now. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.240 So and then that same regards, do you think that's 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.720 why the majority of the great players on tour an 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.680 hour the right handers are hitting cuts like you see 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.280 Dustin Johnson. What's happened to his game since he's moved 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.520 from a right to left ball flight to a left 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:44.080 to right. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.280 No question, no question. You have more control over the 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:52.679 balls these days. It's really hard. I don't care unless 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.440 you're going to go to a whipier shaft or a 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.760 little more loft and create a little more spin. It's 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:02.000 really difficult to control when you're creating speeds that those 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.160 guys are creating. For me, it's not that big a deal. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.000 I'm one sixty one to one sixty three ball speed, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.800 you know, which is low end on the PGA tour. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:11.640 It's not even middle of the road anymore. I think 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.359 one sixty five or one sixty six is and so, 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.240 and you know, I'm not playing and I don't have 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.240 my golf muscles and I'm missing bones in my hand. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.760 But still I'm you know, one sixty one to one 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.720 sixty three is kind of low end for PGA Tour. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.480 So I can control the draw a little bit because 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.080 I'm not creating the speed. But those guys, oh my gosh, 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.399 if those guys want to try to play a hard draw, 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.720 it can get out of control, or it can get 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.359 blocked in a heartbeat with no spin and not come around. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.040 I remember Rory McCrory when he switched to Nike equipment 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.520 had that problem. I was looking at his numbers when 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.399 he first went to Nike at Golf Channel doing something. 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.160 We were talking about Dick. We were talking about either 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.159 Abu Dhabi when he made his debut. I believe it 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.560 was Abudabby and I'm looking, I'm like, God, his draw 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.760 is not gone now. He had something technical going on 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.400 in his golf swing that wasn't good at the time. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.280 He gets some bad footwork going from what I remember 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.159 looking at the video. But the one thing that I 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.200 noticed is that that didn't lies. I'm looking at at 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.000 at track man data or radar data, and I'm looking, 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.399 I'm going he was spinning his his titleist ball and 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:16.800 his titles driver at twenty seven hundred RPMs the year before. 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.359 In twenty twelve, he goes to Nike and now he's 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.320 spinning in at twenty one. That's a six hundred RPMs. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.119 Is a huge difference. And that's why h you know, 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.160 and he liked to play that tight little draw out there, 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.919 and that draw wasn't drawing yep. So that's something that 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:33.520 he had to get used to and he did and 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.040 he won, and he won two majors. So but but 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.919 that's the kind of thing that could happen. And I 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.480 think that that's why a lot of the guys who 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.400 were hitting, who hit, who have gone to the cut, 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.480 like Dustin Johnson, And you can see what kind of 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.520 a of a driver it's turned Dustin Johnson into going 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:50.119 to that cut. 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.120 So I've got a kind of a theory. And you know, everybody, 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.320 so Patrick Reid is, you know, obviously a world class player, 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.000 but he struggled in majors, and you know, I always 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.280 contend that it's because he hits that hard draw and 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.160 with the major championship setups, everything gets ratcheted up a little, 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.800 and that draws. It's tougher to hold greens, it's tougher 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.680 to hit to tough pin pins, especially when the greens 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.480 are firm. Do you think that you know Patrick Reed 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.080 is a player that you know kind of fits that 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.000 right to left mold, that you know might not be 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.240 a perfect fit for a tough setup. 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.199 Yes, and no. I think that I think that just 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.280 in general, he tends to struggle with his ball striking, 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.760 and it more has to happens to do with Like 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:39.520 you said, it is a right to left ball flight, 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.679 for sure, but it's more about how he hits that 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.800 right to left welf flight than the actual right to 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.160 left ball flight. He's very handsy. He's got a lot 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.000 of toe drop in the top of his back swing 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.440 with his with his golf club, which means that when 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.040 you look at his swing through impact, he's got to 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.080 exit up, which I call exit up, which means the 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.920 arms have to cross over really quick, and he's got 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:02.720 to get that hard release, which means the club base 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.760 isn't square very long in the hitting zone. That one 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.680 foot behind a one foot in front of the ball, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.399 So when his timing's off it can go everywhere. He 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:15.239 can hit snaps, he can hit blocks, And so I 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:19.360 think if if he gets the club face square at 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:21.680 the top and he doesn't have so much toe droop, 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.400 which you know can say, and you know he's he's 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.760 cuffed at the top with his left hand, and whenever 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.680 you get cuffed at the top of your left hand 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.880 versus a flat left wrist, you're gonna have to You're 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.000 gonna have to make that extra move on the way 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.359 down to square, keep the club to square, the club 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:39.240 base up. I know it because that's exactly what I 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.800 did in college and I had to change it. And 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.840 it took me three or four years between the Canadian 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.159 Tour and the Web Tour and then on in the 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.560 PGA or to change it. It was It's very hard. 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:51.679 It was very hard for me to change that. I 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.920 had to change it slowly and incrementally over time, and 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:57.840 it had to evolve rather than just blow it up 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:02.400 and do a wholesale change. It was. It was very 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.639 difficult for me. And he might not want to change it. 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.520 He might figure out a way to control it. But uh, 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.440 I think that that's one of the reasons why he 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.280 gets he's inconsistent with his ball striking for sure. 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.560 Mm hmm. It's interesting. So, you know a lot of 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.720 I had Michael Clayton on the podcast and he talked 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:27.560 a lot about technology, and I'm curious, do you feel 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:32.600 like that technology has kind of diminished the skill of 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:37.680 the game, And uh, you know, you have great players 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.720 aren't as great as they would be. The difference between 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.920 a great player and a and an average tour pro 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.639 is closer because of Is that? Is that what's leading 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.760 this parody in the game we see now? 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.520 I think so, you know, that's a hard one to answer. 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.800 I still think there's a great amount of skill. I 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.159 think what Dustin Johnson does with the driver is an 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:07.080 incredible amount of skill. There's an incredible amount of skill involved, 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:11.240 not only physical skill, but technical skill as well involved 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.639 with what he does with the driver. But there's no doubt, 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.399 and I'd be lying if I didn't if I didn't 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:21.720 say that the technological advances in golf over the last 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.760 ten to fifteen years have absolutely helped these guys in 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:28.160 all facets, from track Man to this new quad Foresight 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.160 that's now out. These launch monitors who are given these 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.639 guys instant data on their club and their club that speed, 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.880 and their launch angles and their attack angles and everything. 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.920 I mean, they can diagnose what's going on from swing 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.119 to swing to swing, and they can change from swing 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.520 to swing to swing versus back in the day you 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.320 might have to go through half a bucket before you 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.560 figure out what's going wrong. You can get it. You 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:49.600 can figure out what's going wrong and one golf swing 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:52.639 these days, so that has a play in it. But 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:57.240 there's definitely technology overall has helped these guys. And yes, 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.720 I think it has created some parody in the game, 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.760 no doubt. And I don't mind parody. That's another question. 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:04.439 Do you do you like parody or do you like 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.880 some guy dominating? You like that that Tiger Woods era dominance, 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:13.440 And quite honestly, I kind of like the parody. I 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:18.600 like I like knowing or not knowing who's gonna win 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:22.560 every week. With Tiger in the field, it was one 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:24.880 to three, you know, he's a one to three, one 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.320 to four favorite every every week, or even better or 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.560 even better more than that, or five, you know, seven 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.760 to five or whatever you want to call it. He was. 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.000 He was old, uber dominant. It was ridiculous what he did. 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.880 But but I like it now where we're going into 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.000 Augusta and no one's got a clue because you can 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.320 point to anything in these guys games and go, Okay, 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.120 he's got a hole here, he's got a hole here, 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:48.800 he's got a tiny hole here in his game for 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:52.040 this place, and you just like, you have no idea 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.200 that this is one of the most wide open masters, 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.879 in my opinion, in years, based on all kinds of 0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:03.800 different factors. But technology has definitely given these guys, has 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:09.720 brought everybody closer together because now out there you're absolutely 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.680 splitting hairs, absolutely splitting hairs. I've turned to a fairly 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.679 keen cyclist over the last four or five years, and 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.639 it's almost like what the guys do in the Tour 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.040 de Front or the Giro do Italian and the big 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.840 World Tour team is that when they go into testing 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:28.080 and they're finehunting their bodies and their bikes, I mean 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.600 it is, they're looking for absolute marginal gains, I mean 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:35.960 two percent here to be, you know, a tenth of 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.880 a second faster than the next guy, and that makes 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:40.800 all the difference in the world. When you're riding the 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:45.000 bike at thirty miles an hour, and it's the same 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.400 thing goes in the golf world. It's the same exact 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:49.680 thing in the golf world. These guys are looking for 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.240 just marginal gains at the highest level and they're trying 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.840 to find that through this equipment or this workout routine, 0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.600 or I ate that for dinner and that didn't sit 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:00.960 well with me and I had a tough round, So 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:02.840 I'm going to get that out of my diet. Literally. 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:04.960 I think that that's what a lot of guys do, 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:09.280 and it and it's all to fine tune the athlete. 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:11.240 And that's the way all sports have gone to over 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.399 the last ten or fifteen years. The evidence by the 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:16.719 Golden State Warriors with all the stuff that they do 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.320 off the basketball court. The guys do to keep their 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.120 bodies in shape and so on and so forth, doing 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.639 hyperbaric chambers and the cryotherapy and all that stuff for 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.159 their body. It's it's it's it's all good stuff, but 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:30.120 it's all leading to more parody in the game. 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.080 In my opinion, Yeah, I think it's kind of GoF 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:37.359 has shifted from an NBA like game where NBA is 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.520 so dominated by superstars like you mentioned in the Warriors, 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.320 and they're they're super team. You've got Lebron Like if 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:45.000 you don't have a if you don't have one of 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:46.720 the five best players in the league, you don't really 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.880 have a shot at the title. And now GoF has 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.360 shifted from you know, that superstar driven game with Tiger 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:57.520 and VJ and Ernie and David Duvall and his heyday, 0:26:57.560 --> 0:27:00.560 but now it's much more like the NFL, where weekend, 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.400 week out, anybody can win. You know, you're never surprised 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:05.280 a three and you. 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:07.240 Got a hundred. Yeah, you got one hundred and forty 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:08.720 four guys in a field weekend and week out, one 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.840 hundred and fifty six during the summertime and or starting 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.480 up here pretty quick, and honestly, one hundred and twenty 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.000 to one hundred and thirty of them have a chance 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:19.159 to win legitimately. Legitimately, one hundred and twenty to one 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.520 hundred and thirty guys have a legitimate chance to win, 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:23.959 you know, on any given week if they do, if 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:25.359 one guy does a little bit of more of this 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.280 or a little bit more of that, he can win 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.840 the golf tournament. And it's not and it's not that much, 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.600 it's very little that separates the guy who misses the 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.840 cut to the guy who wins. Quite honestly, it's just 0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:38.800 you know, it's a putt here, a putt there, or 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.040 getting hot at the right time on a Saturday, or 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.960 you know, if simple as a warm up on the range, 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.199 moving your ball position or this or that, it's just 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:48.119 splitting hairs. 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:53.440 So, you know, having having played in in three Masters, 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.200 you know, kind of tell us a little bit about 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.680 you know, playing a gusta maybe something that gets kind 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.160 of shoot under the rug and doesn't get talked about 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.200 a lot. That's you know, kind of important for success 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:05.680 out there. 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.280 Oh, important for success? Oh oh, you mean from a 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:16.399 play standpoint around that place. You know, there's you know, 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.320 over the years, we've talked so much about it on 0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:24.359 Golf Channel. I think we've we've talked about everything. We've 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:29.919 talked it to death, and there's really nothing that I 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.159 can think of that gets shoot under the rugs, so 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.439 to speak, as far as what you need to do 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:38.120 on that golf course as far as I'm concerned. But 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:42.440 if I had to pick one, since the changes, the 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.320 final changes in six when they added all the distance 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:47.880 and planted the trees, you really have to drive your 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:53.880 ball now whereas it was truly a second shot golf course. 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.000 You know, back in the day when Tiger won by twelve, 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:04.800 and Faldo came back and beat Norman in ninety six, 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:06.480 and so on, it all the way back to well 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.640 well before that and into the seventies, in eighties and 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:13.240 even sixties, you know, you could spray it here, spray 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.920 it there, and create angles for yourself to certain hole locations. 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:21.520 Now those angles have been chopped in some cases chopped 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.280 in half, especially eleven and seventeen and maybe even fifteen 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:30.520 because of the tree plannings. You can't create the same 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.920 angles that those guys used to create. So putting your 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.840 being able to drive the ball in a certain section 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.280 of the fairway and still create that angle, even though 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:45.400 the angle might be not as acute, a little more obtuse. 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.520 It's it's important to still drive your ball. It's important 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:51.240 to drive your ball, and I don't think that's talked 0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:55.440 about because quite honestly, when you look at the statistics 0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.560 of the Masters winners over the last probably since like 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:02.280 I said, since O three, which is where I like 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:06.760 to go back to, you have to hit greens, you 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:10.360 have to hit you have to hit at least fifty greens. 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.960 That's that is the that is the gold standard number 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.000 to win. To win the Masters, you have to hit 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.880 fifty greens. Very few people in that span since so 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.520 three have hit less than fifty greens and won the Masters. 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.160 The highest is is uh Is Adam Scott in twenty thirteen, 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:27.840 who hit fifty five greens. The lowest was Mike Weir, 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.680 who hit thirty eight and won the Masters, which is 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.760 amazing to me that he hit thirty eight greens and 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:34.960 won the Masters in oh three because he putted and 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.760 chipped his rear end off. But you got to hit 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.400 fifty greens to have it, to have a chand deep 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:43.080 or very close to fifty greens. 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.440 Do you know offhand how many speech hit last year? 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.960 I want to say last year. I'm I didn't know 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.400 how many speech hit. I looked at the winners just recently. 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:58.280 But when he won, I believe you get fifty four fifteen, 0:30:58.320 --> 0:30:59.160 he hit fifty four. 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.160 I feel like that sounds Danny will Yeah. 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.280 Yeah, Danny Willet only hit Danny Willet I think hit 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.040 forty eight or forty nine last year and ended up winning. 0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:08.600 But it was a tough year. It was a windy, 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.479 it was firm, it was fast. Yep, it was it 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.080 was playing. It was playing difficult last year, a much 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.080 more difficult than it had the year prior when it 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:21.400 was a little softer and you could get it more pins. So, uh, 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:22.600 you know, a lot of it has to deal with 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.800 the weather. Like Zach Johnson didn't hit fifty greens and 0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:26.440 O seven. I played that year and it was a 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:28.800 nightmare that year. 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.600 It's uh, it's interesting with the weather forecast, it looks 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.920 like it's going to be soft. I always say to 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:38.320 people the you know, the number one thing that you 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.360 can do to defend any golf course against these guys 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.920 is it play firm and fast. And it's always a 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:47.200 shame when they they the course kind of you know, 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:50.360 it puts such a damper on on who's playing the 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.160 best when it when a course plays softer, because you know, 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.240 all of a sudden, your misses aren't exaggerated. So with 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.480 with the course conditions in mind, you know who are 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:00.560 who are some guys you like? Next week? 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.760 Well, I'll tell you what. With the course conditions in mind. 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:11.360 I like Rory McElroy. All four of his majors were 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:15.520 one on soft golf. Courses can't deny that even even 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:21.400 fourteen at Hoylake was a softer, less windy, less bouncy 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.080 Hoylake than we saw in O six, which when it 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:28.080 was completely brown and running. I mean you could put 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.000 the ball from one hundred and fifty yards onto the green. 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:37.959 And I think that when the golf course is soft, 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.800 as we've seen before with Rory, his chest gets a 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:46.520 little bit more puffed out because when the ball, when 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.760 any big hitter, when the ball just hits and sticks, 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:53.000 that makes the fairway that much wider, which means they 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.480 can swing that much harder, which means they're going to 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.920 be that much farther ahead of the next guy and 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.320 hitting that much less club into the Now, they can 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.760 turn the sub arizon on the greens, but you can't 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:05.680 turn that they don't have sub airs in the fairways, 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:10.440 so so the greens can get fairly firm, but the 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:13.000 fairways can be soft. And I and I quite honestly, 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:15.400 I think that plays into the longer hitter's hands. I 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:18.120 mean most golf courses these days now do now anyway, 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:23.360 But I think that from a from a from a 0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:27.960 standpoint of of the longer hit, the guys who drive 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:32.440 it really well, and and and and in total driving 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.200 Rom who's obviously playing fantastic and as one of the 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.680 best drivers of the golf ball on the planet, Rom 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:43.080 DJ Rory. I think Rom's going to surprise people next week. 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.240 I know Augusta is not really kind to first timers, 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.760 but I think Rom's going to surprise people next week. 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.840 And I wouldn't doubt if he's in the top five 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.680 going into Sunday on the back nine with a chance. 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:59.160 I think Rory is if if Rory can putt, if 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.920 the putter shows up, Rory's going to be there. I 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.040 think Dustin's going to be there. The weird thing about 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:07.280 Dustin is is that the last number one to win 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:11.280 the Masters was two Tiger. He was the last number 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:13.919 one to win the Masters. He was number two going 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.040 into the Masters, you know, five when he beat Christa 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:18.640 Marco in the playoff. DJ was actually number one going 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.520 into the Masters that year. So history's going a little 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:25.000 against Dustin Johnson. And the average world rank who's won 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:29.560 the Masters the last say, since twenty ten is twelve. 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.719 That's the average world rank. And who's sitting at number 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:37.640 twelve right in now? Patrick Reid funny enough, and right 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.000 around there thirteen is Justin Rose, who's kind of starting 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.160 to turn into a little bit of a chic pick 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.440 for next week. And again with Justin, it's the putter. 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.040 If the putter shows up, Justin's always got a chance 0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:50.839 at Augustin National. He's got a very good record there. 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:56.240 As far as a sleeper pick for me, Paul Casey 0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.400 not a sleeper pick. I think Paul his game is 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.400 starting to round into form, get better. He loves that place. 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.680 You've got perfect ball flight again, a guy who bombs it. 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:06.680 You can hit it both directions, right to left, left 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.840 to right. I think Paul's gonna I think Paul's going 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:11.960 to be there too, and he finished fourth last year 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.680 and he's he's also had a tremendous record at Augusta National. 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:17.840 But the sleeper pick I think for me is Mark Leishman, 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.120 ye bend of my dark horse obviously One Bay Hill 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.960 a couple of weeks ago, has a T four. He's 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.400 only played in four Masters, missed three or four cuts, 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:29.640 but the T four was in thirteen. He knows how 0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:32.160 to play the place, and he's in good form right now, 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:36.440 and maybe he can recapture some of those vibes from 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.400 twenty thirteen and play well again next week. But I 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:40.919 like him as a sleeper pick. 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.560 Austin's tend to play well at Augusta too, and. 0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.520 I could, Yes, yes, they do. 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.279 So, you know the usually the you know, the firm 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.879 and fast greens. They have a big advantage coming from 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:56.759 the sand belt. Yeah. I like Leishman's chance. I just 0:35:56.800 --> 0:36:00.799 did my sleepers. I had Fleetwood on there. Who's you know, 0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:03.799 he's gone from one hundredth and to thirty third in 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.160 the world rankings. He's another rookie though. That's that It's interesting. 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.240 I think I think the softer, the softer conditions will 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.320 help rookies obviously. 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.680 Absolutely no doubt. 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.279 Yeah, I kind of something that. 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.560 That's why wrong, That's why I like rom Andy so 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.000 much next week, because I do believe the softer conditions 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:26.680 are gonna take the are gonna take the bounce away, 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.680 and that's gonna take away. That's gonna take away the 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:34.480 advantage the veterans have, who've seen that place under numerous conditions. 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.439 They've seen it fiery, they've seen it slow, and when 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.040 when when you haven't when you've seen the ball bounce 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:43.120 I've played three years one year was fairly soft. I 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.560 think it was six when Michelson won. That was my 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.279 rookie year there and I finished fourteenth. I played, I 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:52.000 played very well. The next year it was blowing twenty 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:55.200 every day. It was like the windshield factor was like 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:59.880 thirty eight. It was ridiculous. And the golf course was 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.719 full of fire, I mean hard and fast, and it 0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:07.319 absolutely ruined me. And because I wasn't used to that, 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:09.680 and O wait was kind of similar. It was kind 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.239 of halfway in between. But when you haven't seen that 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:16.120 golf course with fire in it, with that bounce, I 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:19.760 mean when you see a ball bound in certain spots, 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:23.000 that can be intimidating for certain guys. When you think 0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.719 you've get a perfect drive in a certain area and 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:27.920 it's often too the pine straw and you're having to 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.759 create something crazy around a pine tree and out of 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:34.640 the pine straw that can get to that can get 0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.600 to a rookie. There's no doubt, you know. 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:39.280 I've got a kind of a theory on why everybody 0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.000 loves Obviously it's a huge advantage playing there every year 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.560 where the fan gets familiar. But I think Augusta does 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.400 such a great job of you know, the course constantly 0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:53.080 asks players to hit the heroic shot, and when you 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.880 pull it off, you've got, you know, unbelievable looks at 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.440 birdie and the eagle. But when you don't, it's, you know, 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.920 all of a sudden turns into a tough power bogie. 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.400 Would you say that you know that it compared to 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:09.680 most courses that the tour stats at has that more 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:13.680 of a risk reward feel throughout the round than everywhere else. 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.600 At Augusta National versus the rest of the golf versus 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.239 the rest of the golf courses, I would say, I 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.920 would say so, yeah, I would say Augusta nationals uh 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.240 prime for that that I mean that. I think that's 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:27.880 that's it. I think that's a hallmark of a lot 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.960 of mackenzie golf courses in general. Quite honestly, I think 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:32.920 he was ahead of his time in that in that regard. 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:39.880 I think that, uh Mackenzie loved from what I you know, 0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:42.600 playing growing up playing in Santaate State, we got to 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.600 play Posta Tiempo every every Monday for four years I did. 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:51.000 So I got to know Mackenzie very well in that 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:54.759 regard at Post Temple and kind of how he what 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.759 His philosophy was, and you might have a pin that's 0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.200 located in one section of green, you're aiming thirty feet 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:04.560 right or left of a pin and using that slope 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:08.400 to bring it in. I think that that kind of 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:12.320 stuff is awesome. That's that's why Mackenzie's my favorite architect, 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.799 because he just used He used the land so well 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:17.920 and used you had to use your imagination and understand 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.520 the entire golf course and understand, you know, uh, where 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:23.520 the ball could feed from, and you wouldn't you wouldn't 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:26.719 have to attack every flagstick. You could. You could use 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.600 the banking and you could use different slopes to get 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:31.120 the ball to gather the ball where you want. And 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.440 that's one of the beauties of Augusta National in its 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.759 risk reward. Sometimes you don't want it very rarely. You 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:39.960 want to go right out of tin and Augusta National 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.840 very rarely. You you you're constantly playing away from pins, 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:48.359 even with wedges, to to use slopes to to kind 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:50.120 of take the fire out of the out of the 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.200 out of the bound and the and the ball and 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:55.560 let the ball gather. And sometimes twenty feet is a 0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.399 phenomenal shot because if you go with that pin where 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:00.680 twenty feet right or left is a dominal shot. You 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:02.560 go out that pinning, don't pull it off like you said. 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:04.960 I mean, you can make a double bull, you can 0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.120 make a double bogie and not have a penalty shot 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:11.640 very easily. So just by messing around trying to get 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:15.920 cute with a pitch shot. So it's very important to 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.160 take your medicine. And that's another thing where rookies tend 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.960 to struggle with, especially in today's in today's day and age, 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.759 where everything is go go go right at pins, right 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:25.080 at the pin, right at the pin, right at the pin, 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.600 fire and go Augusta Nationals a throwback, and you can't. 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:29.879 You really can't do that there. 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:34.239 It's it's interesting, I call you know what a lot 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.839 of the tour golf is is kind of robot golf 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:38.960 where it's just hit it far and straight and then 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.359 hit it right at the flag. And what we're what 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.080 we're seeing this year is, you know, two of the 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.120 most exciting tournaments have been like the match play where 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:50.160 you're playing at Austin Country Club, which is you know, 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.000 a shorter set up with you know a lot of 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:54.560 risk reward, but you know that golf course was so 0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:57.359 firm and fast that it played, you know, so much 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.680 differently than the usual one. And then they had the 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:03.640 w GC Mexico, which you know was was very short 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.360 but also very firm and fast. Like, do you think 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.880 that the tour needs to look at at going to 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:15.760 more unique and different setups, because you know, this tour 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:17.959 schedule is kind of a slog of the same type 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.080 of golf course weekend week out. 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.000 Well in a lot of instances, honestly, in a lot 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:28.240 of instances, the tour doesn't have They don't have that reach. 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.800 I'd love to say, yes they need to, but the 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:34.759 economics of it, in the business side of it, tell me, 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:39.279 you know, we've got contracts with certain golf courses and 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:43.040 certain places for X amount of years and we're not 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.400 going anywhere. So in that regard, it's up to the 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.600 tour officials in my opinion, to set the golf course 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.040 up and Slugger and his crew and Mark Russell and 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.360 his crew when they're out there, those guys, uh and 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.440 all the guys who do set ups, and one guy 0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.440 sets up the front nine, usually one guy set up 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:04.759 the back nine, and it's up to it's up to 0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.600 our tour tour officials at the regular tour stops to 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.440 really make it interesting for the players, and they can 0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.560 only do so much. You can, Hey, listen, there's certain 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.480 golf courses out there where you can put lipstick on 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:19.520 a pig, but it's still a pig, you know. So so, 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:21.399 I mean, they can do whatever they want, but they 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.640 can't dress you know, you can, you can dress it 0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:28.919 up only so much, so you know it's it's uh Yeah, 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.280 Harbor Town, you can put in the same vein Harbor 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:32.360 Town is always exciting. 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:33.040 I think. 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:38.680 It's a Harbortown is awesome for that same reason, same reason. 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.279 W GC Mexico and the w GC del Mats play 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:47.120 we were amazing, short, tight, different looks off of ts, 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:51.080 put a little wind in there. I love those golf courses. 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:53.560 Love those golf courses. Lots of options off the tees 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.960 and you gotta you got to move the ball both directions. 0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.880 You gotta hit it high, hit it low. Yeah. I 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.200 would be a huge fan off every week we got 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:04.480 to play a golf course like that. It's just unfortunately 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:07.200 it's it's not the case. It's just not the case, 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.160 just due to a lot of different factors. 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:13.120 Yeah, I mean, it's also not easy to get a 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.400 golf course if it's a private club, to give up 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.200 the golf course for two weeks. 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:20.239 You know, that's well, you know, we played a decent 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:24.840 amount of tPCS too, and quite honestly, the tPCS, because 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.000 we own them, they don't have a sighte fee attached 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.399 to them. So that's good business for the tour. Yeah, 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:31.960 you know, so they don't. You don't have to pay 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.600 a site see at the tPCS, and you have to 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.160 pay a site fee at other golf courses. 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:40.640 Most tPCS were built from nineteen eighty through two thousand 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.200 and five, you know, and that's not necessarily the uh, 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.719 the era of when great golf was being built. So 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.840 it's that's what i'd call. 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:54.000 That the dark ages there maybe fifty sixties seventies in 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.000 certain areas too, and so those are a little the 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.359 dark ages and golf course architecture there too. 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.719 So you know, you're it seems like, you know, from 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:05.279 Twitter and everything, you're pretty interested in architecture, is it. 0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:07.880 You know, is this something that you got into after 0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:10.600 your career or were you really into it from early 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:12.920 on because you got to you know, you got exposed 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.520 to some great architecture out in California as a young kid. 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:19.440 Yeah, you know, I think it's the form. I think 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:23.319 it's the latter. I think. I just you know, I 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:25.799 think to a certain extent as a golfer. This is 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:30.120 going to sound really really flowery and and uh kind 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:34.320 of corny, but I think that we're artists as golfers. 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.480 That's how I look at golfers. I don't look I mean, 0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:40.000 some guys might be more tacticians or mechanics as I 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.600 like to call them, and guys who you know, work 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.319 on positions and all this. But quite honestly, I think 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.760 in regards that the best players have always been artists, 0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:53.040 and golf courses are canvas. And I grew up and 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:54.520 I have a good reason to think like that. My 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.400 mom is by trade as an artist. She has a 0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:01.160 master's from San Jase State in graphic design. And when 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:03.360 I was a kid growing up, our coffee table books 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:09.560 were architectural digest, mone Mayonnai Dega, Rembrandt, all the greats 0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:14.319 of art, especially Impressionist work, and so had I have. 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:18.839 I have a very fond memory of art. I have 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:24.480 a very healthy respect for art, and because of my 0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:29.240 mom and so for me, the golf course and golf 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:34.959 course architecture was just another extension of artwork, because much 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:41.759 like artwork hanging on a wall in a gallery, you 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:46.399 can have one person walk up to a dega and go, 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:50.600 that is the most gorgeous looking thing I've ever seen 0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.560 in the world. And then you could go over to 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.120 a Monet sitting right next to this diga, and you 0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:59.680 can go, and another person will go, this is the 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.359 most gorgeous thing that I've ever seen, and they'd both 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:06.360 be right. And that's how I look at golf course architecture. 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.600 Are there some dogs out there? Yeah, there's there might 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.759 be some stuff done by the greats that I don't like, 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.439 but very few things. Much like the greats and golf 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:22.600 course architecture, when you're talking about rainers, CEB McDonald, Tillinghast, Mackenzie, Ross, 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.600 you know the greats of the Golden Age, you know 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:30.920 the guys who were the greatest of all time at 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:35.640 what they did, and the pioneers. I think that very 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:39.080 few works from those guys were dogs. There are some 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:41.279 you can go, wow, this is a this is a Ross, 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:43.640 or this is a McKenzie. Like some people say that 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.919 about Claremont country Club up in the East Bay Hill. Wow, 0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:48.040 this is a mckendie. It's a cute little six thousand 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.000 yard golf course in the in the in the East 0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:52.040 State Hills that no one knows about that it's a McKenzie. 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.239 Same with Green Hills Country Club right up the road 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.480 from my front norm when I grew up in stan Mitfield, California, 0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:59.680 in sam Bruno or Millbray, it's a it's a McKenzie 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.920 and no one hardly knows that it's there. But it's 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:05.319 a cute little, I don't know, sixty two hundred yard 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:11.239 golf course. That's the McKenzie that people either love or hate. 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:16.680 So I just I've always looked at golf course architecture 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:21.320 from the perspective of it being art. I've never tried 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:25.359 to assign values, even though I probably have in the past, 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.680 I've never tried to assign I've never purposely tried to 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:32.640 assign values to rate a golf course on certain things. 0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:35.879 I think if I had to, the one thing would 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:40.040 be shot values. I mean, what are the shot values? Like, 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:42.240 do you do you play a lot of different clubs? 0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:43.919 Do you have to use it a lot of different clubs? 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:45.040 Off the t's do you do? 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:45.360 You do? 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:49.200 You go through your whole bag throughout the day. How 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:52.600 much strategy. I'm a huge fan of of strategic golf. 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.520 I'm not a big fan of just brought force US 0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:59.359 Open style golf courses. Quite honestly, I like being able 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.520 to create a so I love That's why I'm a 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:05.040 huge McKenzie fan. I love being able to you know, 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.200 why are you driving it way over here when the 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.040 middle of the fairway's here? Well, the pins on the 0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:10.839 right today, and that's how you get to that tent. 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:12.480 You've got to be way over here, and you might 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.160 have a longer shot, but I've got a better angle 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:15.920 than you sitting on the right, even though you're a 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:17.640 club or two shorter than I am. In an agree. 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:25.000 So that's the kind of stuff that I love about 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:27.400 strategic golf courses and the old school golf courses. And 0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:30.440 and they'll they'll always be art to me. And it's 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.440 in the eye of the beholder, quite honestly. You might 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:35.320 not like dope. You might a certain dope stuff. You 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.040 might not like certain crunshot course stuff or Hant stuff 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:41.800 or Kyle Phillips, who's one of my favorite favorite architects, 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.960 and the stuff that he's done over the last few years, 0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:47.640 I think is really good stuff. I think all those 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:51.319 guys are are kind of a throwbacks of the old 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:54.160 school guys, only in this modern era. And I'm glad 0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:55.640 to see that they're kind of taking some of the 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:58.400 some of the things that that all the guys back 0:48:58.440 --> 0:48:59.840 in the twenties did and they're kind of trying to 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:01.920 live it on their golf courses just a little bit 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:03.400 with their own modern twist. 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:07.960 Yeah, I'd agree with you with the art thing wholeheartedly. 0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:10.880 I mean, if you gave all of those architects that 0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:13.719 you just rattled off the same piece of land, they'd 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.800 all come back with completely different routings and golf courses, 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:19.960 you know, and that's the body of it, and they'd 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:20.680 all be brilliant. 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:22.360 Probably, they'd all be brilliant. 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:26.200 Yep. And that's like, you know why, it's completely art. 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.200 It's a complete form of art, and you know it. 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:32.480 It's there's so many intricacies when you play a great 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.560 golf course and you learn stuff over and over every 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:37.840 time you play. I think that's one of the ways 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.520 I think about golf courses is like, would I want 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:43.880 to play here every day. You know, you hit on 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.160 a lot of great things with shot values, Like, you know, 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.640 does it Does it make me hit different shots? Do 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:51.400 I use all my clubs in my bag? Is there 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:53.120 a good variety in their par threes? 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:53.320 You know? 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:55.160 I think there's nothing worse than when you go to 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:57.799 a golf course and every part three is between two 0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.320 hundred and two hundred and twenty yards. You know, psychic, 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:01.360 You're gone. 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:04.560 Yeah, I mean, honestly, I will literally, I don't care. 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:07.880 I will literally change tea boxes. So if the guys say, oh, 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.600 we're playing from the back, tief, No, I'm gonna play 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.280 fifth par three from one hundred and fifty yards because 0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:15.200 that pins a dumb pin from two twenty. 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:19.279 Yeah. And you know, seriously, it's a it's a golf 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:22.920 course's job to test all aspects of your game, you know. 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:26.080 And if you're just if a par three's or part 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:28.520 three should have variety, they should test your wedge game, 0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:31.640 they should test your mid iron game, your long iron game. 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:33.759 You know, it shouldn't just be a test of how 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:35.480 good you can hit a five or four iron. 0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:38.879 Oh. Absolutely, I'm of the mind that a golf course 0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:42.040 has I think a good golf course has three things 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:45.920 to start with. And this is really my only, I 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.200 guess rule, if you would say, if you want to 0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:51.720 call it a rule, it has to have a great 0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:55.040 short part three under one hundred and fifty yards okay, 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.800 with trouble all over the place, or something that tests 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.440 your way nine iron, eight iron okay, but no more 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:05.440 than an eight iron from the back teas okay. And 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:08.440 in some cases, you know, people hit different if you 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:11.040 play the right teas. Let's say your eight iron only 0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:12.879 goes one hundred and twenty play one hundred and twenty 0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:14.879 yard t box one hundred and ten yard te box 0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.320 at the same home. Okay. It has to have a 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:23.760 great reachable risk reward par five all right, four hundred 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:27.360 and eighty five to five hundred and twenty five yards 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:30.279 with all kinds of issues all over the place. But 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.440 you can still hit driver if you want to. I 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:34.359 don't like the ones that take driver out of your hand. 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:37.560 But yet, if you want to hit driver, you've got 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:41.480 to hit a good driver but leaves you a bail area. 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:43.040 But it's going to be a tough out to get 0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:45.000 to make to make a three maybe or a four 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.320 from that at bail area. But if you hit the 0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:49.360 drive right with your driver, you've got to you know, 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:51.319 a mid iron to a long iron in your hand 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:53.480 is from the back tees is a good as a 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:55.640 good player, and you've got a chance to make a three. 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:58.359 And usually the green's fairly difficult. And then the last 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:00.399 and the least last, but not least is a little 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:04.680 part four. Love the drivable part four. And again you 0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.200 got to make it tough. You gotta make I think 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:10.480 in all honesty, you either got to make the layup 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:13.560 tough and make the layup so tough with an iron 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:17.719 that that guys don't want to do it, so that 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:19.799 they're that are like, I don't want to lay up 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.239 with a seven iron and and hit a sandwich in 0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:27.000 Why would I do that? So you, I mean, that's 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.960 the kind of stuff that that I love. And then 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:33.440 the green's got to be cautiously psychotic, as I like 0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:36.600 to say, to where it's not goofy, but it tests 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:37.560 the player's patience. 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:41.640 Yeah, I think the that short part four is like 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:44.800 in full renaissance. It's like the new thing to do, 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.520 and you know, almost every golf course has them now 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:53.000 and it is just so great. I love how those 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:56.120 holes are ones where you can make it two, or 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:58.239 you can make a you can make a seven, and 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.080 it can just unred level so quickly without like you 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.520 said about Gus, without taking a pen only shot. 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:07.160 Or in the case or in the case of number 0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:09.000 ten at Riviera, you can make a four. You can 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:12.880 make a seven. Yeah, that's par five in America at 0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:14.000 three hundred and ten yards. 0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:14.520 Yeah. 0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:15.600 I you know. 0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:18.000 The hole I love out at Riviera is seven. I 0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:20.879 think that that cross bunker, that that's such a good 0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:22.839 little little mid length Part four. 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:28.040 I think I think that the probably the two most brilliant, 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:31.080 but I'd say there's three brilliant par fours on that 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:33.880 golf course. In my humble opinion, I think five is 0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:37.799 a brilliant par four down the hill. I think seven, 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.840 agree with you, and I think eight. I love the 0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:44.319 idea of double fairways and creating angles based on where 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:47.200 the pin is located. And I you know, I was 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.839 I would be missed, be remiss if I didn't mention 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.960 George Thomas with those other architects, because he's kind of 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:55.680 the quiet one of the bunch back then, and I 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.480 think did brilliant work that doesn't get as much recognized 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:00.800 and one of my favorite golf courses. I mean, I 0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:04.040 would rivi here is one of my favorites. It's in 0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:06.120 my top ten of all time without a doubt. M h. 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:10.239 That's it's a it's an awesome place. It's a the 0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:13.600 thing I find interesting about that, And you know, diving 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:15.920 back a little bit into the PGA Tour, and I've 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.120 said this on I think probably a couple of podcasts, 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:23.080 but I can't the last time the winners there are 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:27.520 historically above the age of twenty eight. I think it's 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.880 been thirty or fourteen years where there's been a younger 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:34.040 winner than twenty eight. And I think it's so much 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:36.720 because of how you have to think, and it becomes 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.640 so angle oriented that you have to think your way 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:42.560 around the golf course. And it's not robot golf like 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:45.680 these other places where it's just hit it close, because 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:49.600 there's actual you know, there's you have to create the 0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:51.520 angles to make the birdies out there. And I bet 0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:54.799 you would know much more having played it in you know, competition. 0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:59.640 Yeah, you do have to. You know, if it was 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:01.960 if it wasn't for Willett and Speed the last two 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:05.160 years that that was that average age was around thirty two, 0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:09.760 and those guys dropped it dramatically, obviously because they're obviously 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:10.399 guys in there. 0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.480 Early in Midwelfes Well, I was talking about Riviera. 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:15.879 Oh I'm sorry. Oh oh, I thought you were talking 0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:20.960 about Augusta. I apologize. So, yeah, no, Rivier. Rivier is 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:24.239 very similar, I think to a certain extent. You know, 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:26.840 every year for the I was out there walking the 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:29.600 golf course this year with Dustin Johnson watching him doing 0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:33.640 live golf, and you do you have to create angles 0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:36.160 on a lot of holes out there, uh And and 0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:38.960 George Thomas set up the greens at angles and angled 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.680 the greens to where you know, if you don't get 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.759 on a certain side of the fairway, it's gonna be 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:47.839 a little bit more difficult attacking certain whole locations at 0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:51.560 that place. And and yet people consider it to be 0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:54.239 more of a US Open tract. But when you they 0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:56.880 didn't have hardly any rough there this year, I mean hardly, 0:55:56.920 --> 0:55:59.160 And it was spotty at best, and and there was 0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:01.719 some thick part of the golf course, but most of 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:04.960 the golf course was extremely playable off the fairwe and 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:09.359 and so you if you wanted to you know, if 0:56:09.400 --> 0:56:11.840 you wanted to blow it right on certain holes or 0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:15.239 left on certain holes, Uh, you had an opportunity to 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:19.680 do so and and create yourself, give yourself proper angles 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:21.640 into into the whole locations. But yeah, I think that 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:25.280 I think that that golf course in and of itself 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:30.279 does a does a fantastic job in in not only 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:35.480 determining champions, but uh, creating really good some of the 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:37.080 greatest shot values on the PGA Tour. 0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:41.040 Yeah, yeah, it's that. I mean, it's one of the 0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:46.680 most probably the most architecturally sound golf course. Every year 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:50.240 and year out and you see just such a diverse 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:53.040 leader board. I wrote, like last year last year, this 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:55.680 year was so soft and so much rain that it 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:58.200 kind of diminished it. But the year before you had 0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:01.880 kJ Choy out there, hunt and drivers around two sixty 0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:04.800 and and in the lead on the back nine on Sunday. 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:06.960 It's you know, and then you've got got you got 0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:10.000 Bubba who ended up winning hitting it. You know, it's 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.400 some some spots eighty ninety yards past him. 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:17.440 Oh yeah, I know, you had lots. That's the that's 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:19.680 the wonderful thing about the golf course. You got there's 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:21.120 lots of different ways to play it. You don't have 0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:22.840 to be a bomber to play that golf course. But 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:26.439 the way DJ, the way DJ played that golf course 0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:29.680 because it was wet, the way he played that golf 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:32.720 course this year, my goodness. I mean, I'm watching him 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:37.240 go up nine, which is uphill, and there's a bunker 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:40.080 out there at about two seventy and it's a i 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:42.200 think two seventy to cover it or two seventy five 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:44.240 to cover it, and he's playing with Perez and Trendall 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:46.720 and Cameron's not long. He's one of the shorter hitters 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:52.000 on tour, relatively short, you know, high two seventies, low 0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:56.320 two eighties. Perez is not short. Perez is above average 0:57:56.360 --> 0:58:01.840 to average average, above average on tour. And DJ Perez 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.280 gets up there and bounces it, flies it in the 0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:05.920 bunker because. 0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:08.520 That plays, that plays traditionally into the wind too. 0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:14.120 You you yeah, at times, yeah, this today it was 0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:18.320 this day, it was calm, there was no win DJA, 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:21.320 and DJ gets in Tangali bounces it into the bunker 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:25.080 and then DJ gets up there, takes one look, one 0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:29.280 little swipe, and literally flies the bunker by thirty yards 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.920 uphill two seventy five to cover it and didn't even 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:34.920 I mean it waved at it on its way by. 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:37.280 It was unbelievable. I get up there and I'm looking 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:39.520 at it, going you, this is not a fair fight. 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:42.160 This guy's hitting nine iron or a ledgeendo number nine 0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:45.000 at Riviera and these guys are laying up out of 0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:47.480 this bunker. Yeah, with no chance to get to that grain. 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:50.760 So he just took the place apart. He did. It 0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:53.280 was it was, it was. It was interesting to watch 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:55.960 him play that place and how how he worked himself 0:58:56.000 --> 0:59:01.040 around that golf course. But distance distance his king man, 0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:02.960 That's what he showed me there that day. He had 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:04.880 all the shots. There's no doubt he played some beautiful, 0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:08.960 soft touchy type shots in the greens that uh, which 0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:13.040 is why I'm picking him. He's my pick to win Augusta, 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:15.000 which is you know, I'm going out on a big win. 0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:18.760 There aren't I but the guy's just playing too good. 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:21.200 But he showed me a lot at Riviera of what 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:25.080 he could do with his soft touch shots from the 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:28.240 eight iron, nine iron, seven iron type shots that you 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:31.000 need those at Augusta National to feed it to certain 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:34.720 whole locations so the guy is just in full control 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:36.160 of his game right now. It's fun to watch. 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:38.919 Yeah, I mean the people don't talk at the last 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:42.760 two years. I mean, he hasn't made any putts at 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:46.600 Augusta and he finished fourth and sixth. So it's not like, 0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:50.000 you know, like I think, if he if his putting 0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:53.400 is average, he's he's nearly impossible to beat because of 0:59:53.560 --> 0:59:57.640 just how dominating he is tea green and especially like 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:00.240 you said, off the tea theres is so important and 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:02.200 nobody drives it better than him. 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:07.400 Well, yeah, there's no doubt. And you know, people will say, well, Aaron, 1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:10.160 what about his cut. You can't cut it on thirteen. 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:12.720 That's a key hole for him. You can't cut it 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.960 on two, that's a key hole for him. And I said, well, 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:17.680 he's got a three wood that goes two hundred and 1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:20.000 eighty yards and if he turns that down, if he 1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:23.320 turns that down, which he can very easily, he's going 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:25.600 to still be hitting iron into those holes after hitting 1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:28.440 three woods. So I'm not worried about Dustin Johnson on 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:31.440 two or thirteen, which are two key holes that you 1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:33.680 do need to when you're his link, you do need 1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:35.760 to turn it down from right to left the rest 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:38.520 of the holes. If he wants to hit an iron 1:00:38.560 --> 1:00:40.120 off a fourteen, he can. If he wants to hit 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:41.760 a three wood off of fourteen and turn it down, 1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:44.760 he can. Fifteen, he can cut it. Seventeen, he can 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.080 cut it. Eighteen. He has to cut it. One, he 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:49.520 has to cut it. Three he can practice. We drive 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:52.680 the green in the right conditions the rest of the 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:55.840 golf course. He really doesn't have to sit up there 1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:58.520 to hit a big sling and draw. Quite honestly, he can, 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:01.560 you know, nine. He might. He might have to finagle 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:05.120 a straight ball or a slight draw just a little bit. Ten. Yeah, 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:07.240 you gotta sling it. But again, that's a three ord 1:01:07.280 --> 1:01:09.480 or a two iron down the hill for him, or 1:01:09.480 --> 1:01:12.280 a driving iron of some court, some some kind. Every 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:13.800 other hole he can stand up there and hit a 1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:16.120 nice little, you know, nice little bleeder from left to 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:20.240 right that goes through twenty. So I have no worries 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:23.440 about DJ yeah next week, other than other than his putting. 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:25.680 That's a good call. Yeah, he hasn't putted well at 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:28.720 Augusta National traditionally, but he's got this new putter in 1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:31.240 the bag, and you know when speech's coming out and saying, 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:34.840 you know, DJ's a favorite. I don't know why I'm 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:37.240 the favorite, because there's no reason I should be the 1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:42.000 favorite based on the way Dustin's playing right now, you know. 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:45.520 And I agree with Jordan one hundred percent, whether he's 1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:47.560 trying to take pressure off himself next week or not, 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:51.919 he's right on any account that Dustin's the favorite next week. 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:55.680 Yeah. I mean, he's won three in a row and 1:01:56.520 --> 1:02:00.480 two of them have been WGCs, and you know Riviera 1:02:00.600 --> 1:02:04.000 isn't even close, so you gotta he is. He is 1:02:04.040 --> 1:02:08.200 a dominant force. So I'm kink I'm curious. I want 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:11.120 to get into some Twitter questions. We got some good 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:15.600 ones here, and you've mentioned some some of the courses 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:18.040 you grew up playing in the Bay Area, and you've 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:21.520 mentioned a few lesser known places like Green Hills and 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:24.640 but what are you know some of your other favorites 1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:27.360 in the Bay Area that that everybody might not know about. 1:02:29.520 --> 1:02:35.600 Wow, Lincoln Park, Okay, uh, it's it's not in the greate, 1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:37.840 it's the shape. It's a muni up in San Francisco. 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:40.880 But it might have one of the best part threes 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:44.840 you'll ever play in number seventeen. Not only visually stunning, 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:47.880 but just strategically. A cool hole sits downhill about two 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:51.760 twenty hit downhill to a very small green, wide green, 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:55.680 and often the distance to the left is the golden 1:02:55.720 --> 1:02:58.320 gate bridge that you can see clear as day. It's 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:02.000 it's it's it's stunning. Actually, especially on a clear day, 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:05.800 it's absolutely stunning. And I would, I would highly recommend 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:10.560 people go play up there. You know, you know, I'm 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:14.480 a big fan of public golf. Go play all the muni's. 1:03:14.560 --> 1:03:18.000 Go play Palo Alto Muni, Go play San Jose Muni, 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:22.480 go play, Go play Sunny Vale Muni, Go play San 1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:27.600 Mateo Meni now called Poplar Creek. Crystal Springs isn't a Muni, 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:30.760 But go play Crystal Springs, a semi private golf club 1:03:30.840 --> 1:03:33.720 up on the hills there. Go play Crystal Springs. They're 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:36.919 fun tracks. Some of them are pretty flat, as flat 1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:41.400 as pancakes. Uh, but it's just you know where I 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:44.320 grew up. It's it's it's it's just a it's a 1:03:44.640 --> 1:03:47.160 they're fun tracks that aren't going to break your bank, 1:03:47.720 --> 1:03:49.360 and you'll have a nice day out there. 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:52.840 Quite honestly, I gotta ask you with with the uh 1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:55.960 with Sharp Park, it sounds like that project is gonna be, 1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:59.720 you know, headed towards the restoration. You know what, what 1:04:01.040 --> 1:04:02.280 how good could that place be? 1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:06.320 That place could be the best public golf course, in 1:04:06.480 --> 1:04:08.720 my opinion, better than Harding Park if it's done right, 1:04:09.120 --> 1:04:12.160 that's serious. It could be better than Harding Park. If 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:14.800 you take it back to what mackenzie had originally designed 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:17.600 that place to be, it could be better. It could 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:21.280 be the best. It could be the best public golf course. 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:24.880 Maybe this might be a stretch, but maybe in the 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:27.760 state of California, quite honestly, if it's done right, if 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:29.960 it's done right, if you if you go back to 1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:33.800 a total, a true restoration, it could potentially be the 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:40.000 best municipal golf course in in California. Yeah, in my opinion. Yeah, 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:43.720 so there's a lot riding on it. You know, I'd 1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:47.479 want a guy who really understood McKenzie number one. There's 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:50.120 a lot of guys that do but to do it 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:53.320 and I've played Sharp obviously grown up, and that's another 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:55.400 one you can add to the list. Although they've they've 1:04:55.480 --> 1:04:59.920 really let it go, quite honestly. But if that comes 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:02.640 and pruishing, if they do it. It could be pretty magical. 1:05:02.720 --> 1:05:04.760 Actually that place, yeah. 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:08.439 I mean right for those of you that don't haven't 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:11.880 heard about it, Sharp Parks, This municipal Mackenzie design that's 1:05:12.000 --> 1:05:15.960 right on the on the waterfront there and in San Francisco, 1:05:16.120 --> 1:05:18.720 and you know, it's been it's been overgrown. They've been 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:21.880 in a big environmental fight for years, and it finally 1:05:21.960 --> 1:05:25.560 looks like the uh, the restoration plans are going to 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:29.160 move forward. So that's something that we'll we'll have to 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:30.800 keep an eye on. I I want to get out 1:05:30.840 --> 1:05:33.440 there and play it and see it before and you know, 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:36.680 always it gives you a good mindset of what how 1:05:36.720 --> 1:05:43.200 it's changed over the years. But so, uh, Columbus Pete 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:46.439 wants to know what your thoughts are on Pebble Beach 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:48.280 being considered overrated. 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:56.880 Laughable, absolutely laughable, no chance, no chance. You could make 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:00.920 an argument that the first and second holes that overrated. 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:06.479 But no, there's there's strategue. There's strategy around every corner 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:08.320 at Coubble Beach if you know where to look for it. 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:12.520 There's strategy on one through eighteen. Every hole it's a 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:16.160 second shot golf course. There's nothing overrated about Coubble Beach. 1:06:16.400 --> 1:06:20.800 Not an ounce overrated about Pebble Beach, and anybody who 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:24.320 says that, in my opinion, no, listen. I did say 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:26.400 that golf is in the eye of the beholder. And 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:28.080 there might be people out there who played it that 1:06:28.200 --> 1:06:31.800 went eh, and that's cool. That's there. That's their opinion. 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:37.240 But you know, for me, there is absolutely zero overrated 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:40.600 about Pebble Beach. And if I had one place to 1:06:40.680 --> 1:06:44.760 play the rest of my life every day, and I 1:06:44.880 --> 1:06:46.200 and I could play it every day, it would be 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:48.880 Pebble Beach with out of doubt. Out of doubt not 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:51.160 just because I won there, but just because of the 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:53.880 variety of holes and the things that you have to 1:06:53.960 --> 1:06:55.760 do around that place, and that you change a pin 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:58.280 from twenty feet over here to twenty feet over there, 1:06:58.440 --> 1:07:00.560 and the whole and the wind switches from this direction 1:07:00.640 --> 1:07:03.720 of that the golf course plays so different every day. 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:06.160 You get a different golf course every day out there. 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:07.520 It's brilliant. Mm hmm. 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:10.640 It's uh. That's what I actually wanted to ask you. 1:07:11.080 --> 1:07:13.360 You get three places to play the rest of your life, 1:07:13.480 --> 1:07:15.640 so you got Pebble as one of them. One of 1:07:15.720 --> 1:07:16.240 the other two. 1:07:17.920 --> 1:07:21.160 Uh, they're they're all they're all in northern California, and 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:23.680 they're all within two hour drives. They're all within a 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:27.080 two hour drive Pebble past Epo and the California Golf Club. 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:31.400 It's good. I mean, you cut down on any expenses 1:07:31.440 --> 1:07:33.880 of travel having you get to the only three golf course. 1:07:34.080 --> 1:07:38.600 You know, really really real, real simple people are like, no, 1:07:38.800 --> 1:07:44.680 Cypress Point, what like Cypress is good? Uh? But uh, 1:07:45.640 --> 1:07:48.760 for my money? If my favorite course on the peninsula 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:52.640 is definitely on the Moneray Peninsula is Pebble Beach, all right. 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:55.440 That's it. You know, it's a contrarian view. We love 1:07:55.560 --> 1:07:57.600 contrarian views at Friday. 1:07:58.200 --> 1:08:01.480 So you know there's no oh yeah, everybody kills me 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:03.680 about that. Aaron, What is wrong with you? Why don't 1:08:03.720 --> 1:08:06.520 you like Cyprus Point? I like Cyprus Point. I do. 1:08:07.240 --> 1:08:10.520 It's just it's not it's not I'm not I'm gonna 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:12.560 put it in my top ten of all time that 1:08:12.640 --> 1:08:14.560 I've played and I love, but I'm not going to 1:08:14.640 --> 1:08:15.600 put it in my top five. 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:20.000 And you know it just because you don't want to 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:22.320 play it every day doesn't mean it's not a great golf. 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:25.920 You know, it's a exactly exactly. This is where I 1:08:26.080 --> 1:08:29.880 have the beholder and golf courses being artwork come into play. 1:08:30.400 --> 1:08:33.640 It's for you know, if rem Brand's not your thing, 1:08:33.720 --> 1:08:35.720 then you got money right over here. I mean it's 1:08:35.760 --> 1:08:38.000 hard to it's hard to go wrong in Bonterey. You know, 1:08:38.080 --> 1:08:39.880 you got to dig all over here. Do you want 1:08:40.000 --> 1:08:42.040 you know, do you want a monet over here? Give me? 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:43.920 Give me a break, you know? M hm? 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:48.959 So I uh, let's get one more here from Holliday. 1:08:49.040 --> 1:08:52.960 Tacos wants to know who wins in a NASA today, 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:54.080 You or Tiger. 1:08:56.040 --> 1:09:03.920 Oh my gosh, man. Well, if he can't it's an 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:06.519 easy answer. If he's not, If he can't play because 1:09:06.560 --> 1:09:08.240 of his back, I think I get him pretty easily. 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:08.719 Yeah. 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:15.920 But if he's if he's well practiced, uh, and I 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.439 get out there and I practice right now currently. If 1:09:18.439 --> 1:09:21.759 we were to go right now, absolutely, at this moment 1:09:22.000 --> 1:09:25.000 in time, I think it'd be a close match because 1:09:25.040 --> 1:09:27.439 my game's not all that great. But I don't think 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:28.240 his is either. 1:09:29.280 --> 1:09:32.280 So you don't think he's he's playing the next week. 1:09:37.360 --> 1:09:39.800 Something tells me he's going to show up. I don't 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:41.720 know why. I just have a gut feeling he's going 1:09:41.800 --> 1:09:45.719 to show up, and I just think that the place 1:09:45.840 --> 1:09:48.960 means too much to him, I really do. Would I 1:09:49.040 --> 1:09:51.880 be surprised if he didn't. No, I wouldn't be surprised 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:53.760 if he didn't, because he's got plenty of reasons not 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:57.880 to show up, quite honestly. But but but I really, 1:09:58.000 --> 1:09:59.800 for whatever reason, I just think he I think he's 1:09:59.800 --> 1:10:02.720 gonna to show up. I really do. So we'll see 1:10:02.760 --> 1:10:05.479 it all. In my opinion, it all depends on how 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:09.160 his body's feeling, and then whether his whether his game 1:10:09.400 --> 1:10:11.800 is is he feels his games up to snuff, because 1:10:11.800 --> 1:10:13.680 that place can make if your game's not right, it 1:10:13.760 --> 1:10:16.920 can make you look real foolish. Yeah, real quick. 1:10:17.439 --> 1:10:22.240 It's I just don't know what happened from Jamaica or 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:27.080 the Bahamas to Tory. It just just looked like it 1:10:27.240 --> 1:10:28.160 something changed he looks. 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:32.320 I just I think it's one of those Well, it's 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:34.800 the same thing that happened to me, quite honestly, And 1:10:34.880 --> 1:10:36.639 what I tried to explain on Gulf Central a couple 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:38.000 of weeks ago, and we talked about it when he 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:39.400 said he wasn't going to play bay Hill, I think 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:45.280 it was he came out announced that. I. I think 1:10:45.360 --> 1:10:48.679 what happened is is that whenever you've had multiple surgeries 1:10:48.720 --> 1:10:52.080 on one part of your body, you you don't know 1:10:52.240 --> 1:10:54.160 how that's going to react day to day, let alone 1:10:54.200 --> 1:10:57.639 week to week. And it happened in my hand. I'd 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.479 wake up one day and my I'd get out to 1:10:59.520 --> 1:11:02.599 the range, hands perfect, and everything's going great. I'm striping 1:11:02.640 --> 1:11:04.280 it and I can hit all the shots. The next 1:11:04.360 --> 1:11:06.519 day I wake up and I and I can barely 1:11:06.560 --> 1:11:10.960 hold onto the golf club. I'm dead serious doing this 1:11:11.040 --> 1:11:13.080 weekend week ount. I think it's the same for his back. 1:11:13.160 --> 1:11:16.599 I don't. It's so up in the air. The back 1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:19.680 is compromise. His back is compromised, and it's compromised, in 1:11:19.840 --> 1:11:23.320 my opinion, fairly severely, based on the fact that he 1:11:23.600 --> 1:11:27.000 just when you've had three surgeries, Based on my knowledge, 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:28.920 I've had four surgeries on one part of my body 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:31.880 and I'm missing bones in my left hand. It's where 1:11:31.920 --> 1:11:36.040 I can't play anymore. He's had three microdissectomies on his back. 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:38.360 He does it. I don't think he knows how that 1:11:38.439 --> 1:11:40.640 thing's going to react from day to day, and I 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:43.080 think he's trying to learn how it's going to react. 1:11:43.200 --> 1:11:46.080 Is there a pattern? And I thought that, you know, 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:49.719 I think he was being very aggressive with his scheduling 1:11:49.800 --> 1:11:53.000 in my opinion, going trying to go to the Middle 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:55.800 East and all that. And I applaud him for thinking 1:11:55.880 --> 1:11:58.040 that he could do it, but I was a little 1:11:58.080 --> 1:12:02.240 skeptical about the the scheduling when I saw it, I'm like, man, 1:12:02.280 --> 1:12:04.320 you gotta pop on a plane for seventeen hours. That's 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:05.200 not great for the backs. 1:12:05.840 --> 1:12:08.840 And uh, you know, Tory was so damp and cold 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:10.360 it couldn't have been good either. 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:12.320 Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I was out there, 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:14.160 and I was out there and followed him and watched him. 1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:16.360 They're doing line golf. Yeah, and it was it was uh, 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:22.040 it was cold, it was damp, and uh, those conditions 1:12:22.040 --> 1:12:23.240 aren't great for a back either. 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:26.760 Well, you know, we we want to get out of 1:12:26.800 --> 1:12:28.559 here and not take up too much of your time. 1:12:29.120 --> 1:12:32.799 He's been more than generous. We we have a closing segment. 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:36.560 We do uh overrated, underrated, and I'm just going to 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:45.879 give you five rapid fire questions here. Good seminole, seminole, 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:53.439 seminal golf club, YEP, underrated, underrated. Okay, so it's it's 1:12:53.920 --> 1:12:56.759 up into your top in my top ten. Okay, okay, 1:12:58.200 --> 1:12:59.360 practice rounds. 1:13:01.680 --> 1:13:03.160 Overrated, overrated. 1:13:03.680 --> 1:13:07.360 I imagine as you've become a veteran on tour, they 1:13:07.400 --> 1:13:08.719 become less and less important. 1:13:09.240 --> 1:13:12.559 They're they're they're underrated as a rookie, and in every 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:14.800 year after that, you're better off just taking a wedge 1:13:14.800 --> 1:13:16.840 and a putter and walking around and saving your body. 1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:19.320 Maybe hit some shots on the parts trees or in 1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:21.840 a tough driving hole here and there, but other than that, 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:24.080 just pitching put around the greens Man. 1:13:24.800 --> 1:13:36.960 Okay, equipment, Uh, equipment's overrated, overrated, and yeah, it's. 1:13:36.800 --> 1:13:38.800 Not gonna help. It's not gonna it's not gonna make 1:13:38.840 --> 1:13:41.360 your game that much better. If you don't practice. You 1:13:41.479 --> 1:13:45.080 gotta practice, you gotta. I'll tell you what's underrated. Lessons 1:13:45.720 --> 1:13:50.360 from a good teacher that's underrated. Equipment's overrated, Lessons from 1:13:50.360 --> 1:13:51.680 a good teacher underrated. 1:13:52.080 --> 1:13:59.120 I wholeheartedly agree with that. Phil Nicholson as a in 1:13:59.240 --> 1:14:01.280 a career sense. 1:14:02.360 --> 1:14:07.760 Underrated by a long shot. Underrated people don't understand the 1:14:07.840 --> 1:14:11.880 man's brilliant. You know, Phil is one of my favorite 1:14:11.880 --> 1:14:15.320 people in the world, and and you know I used 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:17.960 to play practice rounds with him. Back in the day. Uh, 1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:20.439 in major championships. I played four or five with him 1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:23.280 between four and seven when I was playing in majors 1:14:23.800 --> 1:14:25.880 and we were at the same management company, so we 1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:31.840 played together. And Uh, the guy, I learned a lot 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:35.800 from him. But but he's but he I think his 1:14:36.000 --> 1:14:38.599 career has been underrated to be to be quite awesome. 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:41.800 I don't think people have have given him the do 1:14:42.000 --> 1:14:44.640 and it's it's mainly because of Tiger. What Tiger did. 1:14:45.360 --> 1:14:49.200 What Tiger did, Tiger made everybody look less than less 1:14:49.240 --> 1:14:52.320 than stellar. Uh, he made us all look foolish at times, 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:56.280 There's no doubt because of his greatness. But but by 1:14:56.360 --> 1:14:58.639 no means do I think that that diminished Phil's career 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:00.920 and in any way, shape or form. The guys the 1:15:01.000 --> 1:15:04.479 guy's underrated, I think for what he's done and who 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:06.720 he is and what he's become. And a real quick 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:08.960 side note because we were we were texting back and 1:15:09.000 --> 1:15:12.560 forth a little bit before here when in regards to 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:14.960 a young gentleman on the tour by the name of 1:15:15.000 --> 1:15:17.800 Grayson Murray, who who's maze if who's made a name 1:15:17.840 --> 1:15:20.000 for himself a little bit maybe not such a great 1:15:20.040 --> 1:15:23.880 way on the tour with with some of the stuff 1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:25.800 he said in regards to the world rankings and so 1:15:25.920 --> 1:15:27.200 on and so forth, and maybe to some of the 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:30.080 other tours Phil. I would remember playing a practice round 1:15:30.120 --> 1:15:33.120 with still back in I can't remember what I was 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:34.639 I was, actually, I think I was a top fifty 1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:38.040 player in the world this time, and I was I 1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:41.680 was complaining about something I wasn't happy and about this 1:15:41.880 --> 1:15:44.799 that or the other thing, about access to this tournament 1:15:44.840 --> 1:15:49.000 of that tournament. And I'd been under my breath and 1:15:49.200 --> 1:15:52.600 quietly complaining to my caddy and this and that for 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:55.200 about four or five holes, and Phil finally looks at 1:15:55.240 --> 1:15:59.280 me and goes, Oberholzer, shut up. I'm tired of listening 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:03.080 to talk about that. I go, I've taken aback by it. 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:06.080 I'm like what, And he's like, He's like, if you 1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:09.679 don't like your lot in life, just play better. Period. 1:16:10.400 --> 1:16:12.479 And I didn't talk to him for about two holes 1:16:12.479 --> 1:16:15.160 because I was so ticked off at him for saying that. 1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:17.760 But the fact is is he was dead on right, 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.479 and that's that would be my advice, I guess to 1:16:20.960 --> 1:16:23.760 mister Grayson Murray, if you don't like your lot in life, 1:16:24.400 --> 1:16:24.880 play better. 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:25.200 Golf. 1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:29.639 It's that simple. Yeah, that and that's what I learned 1:16:29.680 --> 1:16:31.600 from Phil. And that's what I'd like to impart on 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:34.759 to Grayson Murray if you if this ever gets to Grayson. 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:38.680 The That's the thing I think about a lot is 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:41.080 you know when I you know, I play an amateur 1:16:41.160 --> 1:16:44.599 stuff and people come off the course and moan about 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:47.840 different things, and it you know, something that I've you know, 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:50.320 started to take hold of is like, you know what 1:16:50.640 --> 1:16:53.120 play better like? And I say it to myself all 1:16:53.200 --> 1:16:55.240 the time. It's like, you know, oh, I you know, 1:16:55.280 --> 1:16:57.200 I missed that that I had that putt lip out like. 1:16:57.280 --> 1:16:59.400 It's like, well, you shouldn't have been anywhere near the 1:16:59.479 --> 1:17:00.880 number anyway. It's just play better. 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:06.760 Yeah, exactly right, exactly right. That's that's the thing. There's 1:17:06.800 --> 1:17:09.680 no use complaining. There's zero youth complaining. And I was 1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:13.080 I was a I was a plus ten complainer at 1:17:13.120 --> 1:17:16.120 times in my career. There's no doubt. I'll freely admit that. 1:17:17.720 --> 1:17:20.200 But the left complaining that the weeks I did, the 1:17:20.280 --> 1:17:21.400 less complaining, the better. 1:17:21.240 --> 1:17:23.160 I played periods. 1:17:23.479 --> 1:17:26.559 And Grayson will Grayson will figure that out, in my opinion, 1:17:26.640 --> 1:17:30.200 he will figure out that to let his clubs, do 1:17:30.320 --> 1:17:33.080 the talking, and to just just keep your keep your 1:17:33.120 --> 1:17:35.200 nose cleaning, keep your mouth shut, and go play golf. 1:17:35.520 --> 1:17:38.960 I you know, I watched him play in Columbus last 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:40.840 year at a web dot com. I followed him for 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:44.200 eighteen holes and walked away. I was blown away by 1:17:44.240 --> 1:17:47.160 his game. He drives it long, he putts well. You know, 1:17:47.720 --> 1:17:51.920 he's got so much potential. But in last year on 1:17:51.960 --> 1:17:54.040 the web dot com, he's not on Twitter at all. 1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:56.800 He's not doing anything. He's keeping his he's just playing golf, 1:17:56.840 --> 1:17:59.679 and he finishes, finish his second on their money list. 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:02.720 You know, so I think he's got to keep his 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:05.639 head down and play in golf. 1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:10.479 You know, I agree with you, uber talented. Uber talented. 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:13.320 I mean, the sky's limit for the kid, as long 1:18:13.360 --> 1:18:17.160 as he, like I said, keeps his nose clean, keeps 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:20.240 his mouth shut, learn the golf courses, and just concentrating 1:18:20.280 --> 1:18:22.639 your game. I mean, if I was his management team, 1:18:23.000 --> 1:18:24.479 I'd grab him by the back of the neck and 1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:28.559 I'd say, son off Twitter now. I mean literally get 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:30.519 rid of the account. If you can't handle it, get 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:33.599 rid of the account, cancel it and just focus on golf. 1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:36.360 This is this is going to be his livelihood if 1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:37.840 he wants to be, and he's got a choice he 1:18:37.880 --> 1:18:40.160 can make right now on how good he wants to be, 1:18:40.640 --> 1:18:44.240 and spending time getting into arguments, in my opinion online 1:18:44.280 --> 1:18:48.679 with guys about things that really don't matter in my opinion, 1:18:50.760 --> 1:18:52.400 aren't going to help him get to the goal that 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:55.400 I believe he can reach, which is being a PGA 1:18:55.520 --> 1:18:57.080 Tour winner. Yeah. 1:18:57.280 --> 1:19:00.120 I've walked away thinking like, this kid could be the 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:03.560 rookie of the year. So you know, it's uh, he 1:19:04.080 --> 1:19:08.080 hopefully will. Uh, he'll kind of shape up here and 1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:10.680 and and get you know, you want you want the 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:12.800 kid to succeed. Nobody wants anybody to fail. 1:19:13.320 --> 1:19:16.280 And and I think it, No, no, I don't like 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:17.240 to see anybody failing. 1:19:17.360 --> 1:19:20.439 Yeah, if he, if he can, he's got he's got 1:19:20.520 --> 1:19:25.120 so much game. So last overrated, underrated bucket hats. 1:19:28.920 --> 1:19:32.200 Oh my gosh, Kirk will kill me for this. But overrated, 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:35.960 all right, overrated. I'm not a big fan of the 1:19:36.000 --> 1:19:36.559 bucket hat. 1:19:37.280 --> 1:19:40.639 It's uh, yeah, I respect it that it's a bad it's. 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:44.200 A bad look. Hey, look have you got some skin issues? Absolutely, 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:46.120 you gotta wear it, go for it. It's just it's 1:19:46.360 --> 1:19:47.639 that'll make it's a great look. 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:51.240 All right. Well, Aaron, thanks so much for coming on, 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:53.880 and uh, we'll look forward to I know you're you 1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:55.519 got anything to play. I know you're gonna be on 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:58.120 Golf Channel a lot in the in the upcoming weeks, 1:19:58.200 --> 1:20:01.479 so you know, uh, anything you want to you want 1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:05.600 to put out there, No, I'll be. 1:20:05.800 --> 1:20:08.360 I'll be. People are gonna hear and see a lot 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:10.120 of me over the next seven out of eight weeks. 1:20:10.280 --> 1:20:11.960 Is I only have one week off and those seven 1:20:11.960 --> 1:20:14.840 out of eight weeks, So come on over to the channel. 1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:17.160 I hope you and I hope people enjoy the coverage 1:20:17.200 --> 1:20:18.960 that we that we try to give him every week 1:20:19.000 --> 1:20:21.400 and the analysis that we try to give him every week. It's, uh, 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:24.120 it's a lot of fun doing it, and I'm glad that, 1:20:24.400 --> 1:20:28.479 uh that we try to create healthy discussion with with 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:31.120 the stuff that we say between what doesn't matter, no 1:20:31.240 --> 1:20:35.679 to Brandle, Frank David, do all myself, Trip Eisenhower, Jim Gallagher, 1:20:35.760 --> 1:20:38.439 all the guys, and and we're gonna try to do 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:39.880 our best to do the same thing next week. I 1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:41.559 think we've got a good play to shows next week 1:20:41.600 --> 1:20:43.400 for for the Masters for Life from the Masters. 1:20:43.760 --> 1:20:46.920 Awesome, awesome, Well, we'll look forward to uh seeing you 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:50.840 on on Golf Channel and then everybody's a great Twitter 1:20:50.920 --> 1:20:55.120 follow follow Aaron on Twitter and uh, you know he uh, 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:59.640 we'll talk to you soon and yeah, hopefully it'll be 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:00.280 a great week. 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:03.639 It will be, there's no doubt. Thanks a lot, Andy, 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:05.080 I appreciate it, Thanks Aaron, but