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Speaker 2: Welcome back for another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast.

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Speaker 2: This week, we're happy to welcome on Aaron Oberholzer. Aaron

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Speaker 2: His career was cut short by injuries, so now he

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Speaker 2: is a regular contributor on the Golf Channel. Aaron, thanks

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Andy. I appreciate it. I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's always nice when you know you got

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Speaker 2: it should be a good golf nerd talk today.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can put me on that list of a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so why don't you give us a little bit

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Speaker 1: I started playing when I was I started swinging a

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Speaker 1: so I didn't. I didn't end up playing it on

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Speaker 1: then I'm down at Q School playing with Cameron Beckman

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Speaker 1: Cameron could hit it, he could create some speed. And

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Speaker 1: I hit a drive off one I can't remember which

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Speaker 1: was a blessing in disguise quite honestly. But but that's

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Speaker 1: when I knew that things were going were about to change,

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Speaker 1: when I saw a guy hit it twenty five, you know,

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Speaker 1: and earning set records at Kapalua when the wind didn't

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Speaker 1: when I knew. And I was on tour. I was

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Speaker 1: when I do my research for certain tournaments, the Masters

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Speaker 1: If you want to talk about history and get the

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand and three. Now, Weird didn't win

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Speaker 2: So and then that same regards, do you think that's

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Speaker 2: Dustin Johnson. What's happened to his game since he's moved

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Speaker 1: No question, no question. You have more control over the

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Speaker 1: I'm one sixty one to one sixty three ball speed,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not playing and I don't have

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Speaker 1: But still I'm you know, one sixty one to one

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Speaker 1: So I can control the draw a little bit because

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Speaker 1: I remember Rory McCrory when he switched to Nike equipment

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Speaker 1: We were talking about Dick. We were talking about either

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Speaker 1: like Dustin Johnson, And you can see what kind of

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Speaker 2: So I've got a kind of a theory. And you know, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Yes, and no. I think that I think that just

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Speaker 1: So when his timing's off it can go everywhere. He

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Speaker 1: down to square, keep the club to square, the club

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Speaker 1: base up. I know it because that's exactly what I

432
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Speaker 1: did in college and I had to change it. And

433
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Speaker 1: it took me three or four years between the Canadian

434
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Speaker 1: Tour and the Web Tour and then on in the

435
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Speaker 1: PGA or to change it. It was It's very hard.

436
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Speaker 1: It was very hard for me to change that. I

437
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: had to change it slowly and incrementally over time, and

438
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: it had to evolve rather than just blow it up

439
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Speaker 1: and do a wholesale change. It was. It was very

440
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Speaker 1: difficult for me. And he might not want to change it.

441
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: He might figure out a way to control it. But uh,

442
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Speaker 1: I think that that's one of the reasons why he

443
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Speaker 1: gets he's inconsistent with his ball striking for sure.

444
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's interesting. So, you know a lot of

445
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Speaker 2: I had Michael Clayton on the podcast and he talked

446
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Speaker 2: a lot about technology, and I'm curious, do you feel

447
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Speaker 2: like that technology has kind of diminished the skill of

448
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Speaker 2: the game, And uh, you know, you have great players

449
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Speaker 2: aren't as great as they would be. The difference between

450
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Speaker 2: a great player and a and an average tour pro

451
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Speaker 2: is closer because of Is that? Is that what's leading

452
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Speaker 2: this parody in the game we see now?

453
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Speaker 1: I think so, you know, that's a hard one to answer.

454
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Speaker 1: I still think there's a great amount of skill. I

455
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Speaker 1: think what Dustin Johnson does with the driver is an

456
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Speaker 1: incredible amount of skill. There's an incredible amount of skill involved,

457
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Speaker 1: not only physical skill, but technical skill as well involved

458
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Speaker 1: with what he does with the driver. But there's no doubt,

459
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: and I'd be lying if I didn't if I didn't

460
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: say that the technological advances in golf over the last

461
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Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years have absolutely helped these guys in

462
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Speaker 1: all facets, from track Man to this new quad Foresight

463
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Speaker 1: that's now out. These launch monitors who are given these

464
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Speaker 1: guys instant data on their club and their club that speed,

465
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Speaker 1: and their launch angles and their attack angles and everything.

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, they can diagnose what's going on from swing

467
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Speaker 1: to swing to swing, and they can change from swing

468
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Speaker 1: to swing to swing versus back in the day you

469
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Speaker 1: might have to go through half a bucket before you

470
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Speaker 1: figure out what's going wrong. You can get it. You

471
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Speaker 1: can figure out what's going wrong and one golf swing

472
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Speaker 1: these days, so that has a play in it. But

473
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Speaker 1: there's definitely technology overall has helped these guys. And yes,

474
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Speaker 1: I think it has created some parody in the game,

475
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: no doubt. And I don't mind parody. That's another question.

476
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Speaker 1: Do you do you like parody or do you like

477
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Speaker 1: some guy dominating? You like that that Tiger Woods era dominance,

478
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Speaker 1: And quite honestly, I kind of like the parody. I

479
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Speaker 1: like I like knowing or not knowing who's gonna win

480
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: every week. With Tiger in the field, it was one

481
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Speaker 1: to three, you know, he's a one to three, one

482
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Speaker 1: to four favorite every every week, or even better or

483
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Speaker 1: even better more than that, or five, you know, seven

484
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Speaker 1: to five or whatever you want to call it. He was.

485
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Speaker 1: He was old, uber dominant. It was ridiculous what he did.

486
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Speaker 1: But but I like it now where we're going into

487
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Speaker 1: Augusta and no one's got a clue because you can

488
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: point to anything in these guys games and go, Okay,

489
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Speaker 1: he's got a hole here, he's got a hole here,

490
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Speaker 1: he's got a tiny hole here in his game for

491
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Speaker 1: this place, and you just like, you have no idea

492
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Speaker 1: that this is one of the most wide open masters,

493
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, in years, based on all kinds of

494
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Speaker 1: different factors. But technology has definitely given these guys, has

495
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: brought everybody closer together because now out there you're absolutely

496
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Speaker 1: splitting hairs, absolutely splitting hairs. I've turned to a fairly

497
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Speaker 1: keen cyclist over the last four or five years, and

498
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Speaker 1: it's almost like what the guys do in the Tour

499
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: de Front or the Giro do Italian and the big

500
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: World Tour team is that when they go into testing

501
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: and they're finehunting their bodies and their bikes, I mean

502
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Speaker 1: it is, they're looking for absolute marginal gains, I mean

503
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Speaker 1: two percent here to be, you know, a tenth of

504
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Speaker 1: a second faster than the next guy, and that makes

505
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Speaker 1: all the difference in the world. When you're riding the

506
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Speaker 1: bike at thirty miles an hour, and it's the same

507
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: thing goes in the golf world. It's the same exact

508
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: thing in the golf world. These guys are looking for

509
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: just marginal gains at the highest level and they're trying

510
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: to find that through this equipment or this workout routine,

511
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Speaker 1: or I ate that for dinner and that didn't sit

512
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Speaker 1: well with me and I had a tough round, So

513
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get that out of my diet. Literally.

514
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Speaker 1: I think that that's what a lot of guys do,

515
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: and it and it's all to fine tune the athlete.

516
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Speaker 1: And that's the way all sports have gone to over

517
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Speaker 1: the last ten or fifteen years. The evidence by the

518
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors with all the stuff that they do

519
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Speaker 1: off the basketball court. The guys do to keep their

520
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: bodies in shape and so on and so forth, doing

521
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: hyperbaric chambers and the cryotherapy and all that stuff for

522
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Speaker 1: their body. It's it's it's it's all good stuff, but

523
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Speaker 1: it's all leading to more parody in the game.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, Yeah, I think it's kind of GoF

525
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: has shifted from an NBA like game where NBA is

526
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Speaker 2: so dominated by superstars like you mentioned in the Warriors,

527
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Speaker 2: and they're they're super team. You've got Lebron Like if

528
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Speaker 2: you don't have a if you don't have one of

529
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Speaker 2: the five best players in the league, you don't really

530
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Speaker 2: have a shot at the title. And now GoF has

531
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Speaker 2: shifted from you know, that superstar driven game with Tiger

532
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Speaker 2: and VJ and Ernie and David Duvall and his heyday,

533
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Speaker 2: but now it's much more like the NFL, where weekend,

534
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: week out, anybody can win. You know, you're never surprised

535
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Speaker 2: a three and you.

536
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Speaker 1: Got a hundred. Yeah, you got one hundred and forty

537
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: four guys in a field weekend and week out, one

538
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six during the summertime and or starting

539
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Speaker 1: up here pretty quick, and honestly, one hundred and twenty

540
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Speaker 1: to one hundred and thirty of them have a chance

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Speaker 1: to win legitimately. Legitimately, one hundred and twenty to one

542
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty guys have a legitimate chance to win,

543
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Speaker 1: you know, on any given week if they do, if

544
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Speaker 1: one guy does a little bit of more of this

545
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Speaker 1: or a little bit more of that, he can win

546
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Speaker 1: the golf tournament. And it's not and it's not that much,

547
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Speaker 1: it's very little that separates the guy who misses the

548
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: cut to the guy who wins. Quite honestly, it's just

549
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's a putt here, a putt there, or

550
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: getting hot at the right time on a Saturday, or

551
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, if simple as a warm up on the range,

552
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: moving your ball position or this or that, it's just

553
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Speaker 1: splitting hairs.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, having having played in in three Masters,

555
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: you know, kind of tell us a little bit about

556
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, playing a gusta maybe something that gets kind

557
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: of shoot under the rug and doesn't get talked about

558
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: a lot. That's you know, kind of important for success

559
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: out there.

560
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Speaker 1: Oh, important for success? Oh oh, you mean from a

561
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: play standpoint around that place. You know, there's you know,

562
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Speaker 1: over the years, we've talked so much about it on

563
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: Golf Channel. I think we've we've talked about everything. We've

564
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Speaker 1: talked it to death, and there's really nothing that I

565
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: can think of that gets shoot under the rugs, so

566
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Speaker 1: to speak, as far as what you need to do

567
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: on that golf course as far as I'm concerned. But

568
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Speaker 1: if I had to pick one, since the changes, the

569
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Speaker 1: final changes in six when they added all the distance

570
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Speaker 1: and planted the trees, you really have to drive your

571
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Speaker 1: ball now whereas it was truly a second shot golf course.

572
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Speaker 1: You know, back in the day when Tiger won by twelve,

573
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Speaker 1: and Faldo came back and beat Norman in ninety six,

574
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Speaker 1: and so on, it all the way back to well

575
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Speaker 1: well before that and into the seventies, in eighties and

576
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Speaker 1: even sixties, you know, you could spray it here, spray

577
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: it there, and create angles for yourself to certain hole locations.

578
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: Now those angles have been chopped in some cases chopped

579
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Speaker 1: in half, especially eleven and seventeen and maybe even fifteen

580
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Speaker 1: because of the tree plannings. You can't create the same

581
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: angles that those guys used to create. So putting your

582
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Speaker 1: being able to drive the ball in a certain section

583
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Speaker 1: of the fairway and still create that angle, even though

584
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Speaker 1: the angle might be not as acute, a little more obtuse.

585
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Speaker 1: It's it's important to still drive your ball. It's important

586
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Speaker 1: to drive your ball, and I don't think that's talked

587
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: about because quite honestly, when you look at the statistics

588
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: of the Masters winners over the last probably since like

589
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Speaker 1: I said, since O three, which is where I like

590
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Speaker 1: to go back to, you have to hit greens, you

591
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: have to hit you have to hit at least fifty greens.

592
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: That's that is the that is the gold standard number

593
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: to win. To win the Masters, you have to hit

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Speaker 1: fifty greens. Very few people in that span since so

595
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: three have hit less than fifty greens and won the Masters.

596
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Speaker 1: The highest is is uh Is Adam Scott in twenty thirteen,

597
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: who hit fifty five greens. The lowest was Mike Weir,

598
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Speaker 1: who hit thirty eight and won the Masters, which is

599
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Speaker 1: amazing to me that he hit thirty eight greens and

600
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: won the Masters in oh three because he putted and

601
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: chipped his rear end off. But you got to hit

602
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: fifty greens to have it, to have a chand deep

603
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Speaker 1: or very close to fifty greens.

604
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Speaker 2: Do you know offhand how many speech hit last year?

605
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Speaker 1: I want to say last year. I'm I didn't know

606
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Speaker 1: how many speech hit. I looked at the winners just recently.

607
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Speaker 1: But when he won, I believe you get fifty four fifteen,

608
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Speaker 1: he hit fifty four.

609
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Speaker 2: I feel like that sounds Danny will Yeah.

610
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Danny Willet only hit Danny Willet I think hit

611
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: forty eight or forty nine last year and ended up winning.

612
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: But it was a tough year. It was a windy,

613
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 1: it was firm, it was fast. Yep, it was it

614
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: was playing. It was playing difficult last year, a much

615
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: more difficult than it had the year prior when it

616
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: was a little softer and you could get it more pins. So, uh,

617
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of it has to deal with

618
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: the weather. Like Zach Johnson didn't hit fifty greens and

619
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Speaker 1: O seven. I played that year and it was a

620
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: nightmare that year.

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Speaker 2: It's uh, it's interesting with the weather forecast, it looks

622
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: like it's going to be soft. I always say to

623
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: people the you know, the number one thing that you

624
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: can do to defend any golf course against these guys

625
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: is it play firm and fast. And it's always a

626
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: shame when they they the course kind of you know,

627
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: it puts such a damper on on who's playing the

628
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: best when it when a course plays softer, because you know,

629
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, your misses aren't exaggerated. So with

630
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Speaker 2: with the course conditions in mind, you know who are

631
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Speaker 2: who are some guys you like? Next week?

632
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. With the course conditions in mind.

633
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: I like Rory McElroy. All four of his majors were

634
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: one on soft golf. Courses can't deny that even even

635
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: fourteen at Hoylake was a softer, less windy, less bouncy

636
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: Hoylake than we saw in O six, which when it

637
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: was completely brown and running. I mean you could put

638
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: the ball from one hundred and fifty yards onto the green.

639
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: And I think that when the golf course is soft,

640
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: as we've seen before with Rory, his chest gets a

641
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: little bit more puffed out because when the ball, when

642
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: any big hitter, when the ball just hits and sticks,

643
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: that makes the fairway that much wider, which means they

644
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: can swing that much harder, which means they're going to

645
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: be that much farther ahead of the next guy and

646
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: hitting that much less club into the Now, they can

647
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: turn the sub arizon on the greens, but you can't

648
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: turn that they don't have sub airs in the fairways,

649
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: so so the greens can get fairly firm, but the

650
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: fairways can be soft. And I and I quite honestly,

651
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: I think that plays into the longer hitter's hands. I

652
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: mean most golf courses these days now do now anyway,

653
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: But I think that from a from a from a

654
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: standpoint of of the longer hit, the guys who drive

655
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: it really well, and and and and in total driving

656
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: Rom who's obviously playing fantastic and as one of the

657
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: best drivers of the golf ball on the planet, Rom

658
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: DJ Rory. I think Rom's going to surprise people next week.

659
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: I know Augusta is not really kind to first timers,

660
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: but I think Rom's going to surprise people next week.

661
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't doubt if he's in the top five

662
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: going into Sunday on the back nine with a chance.

663
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Speaker 1: I think Rory is if if Rory can putt, if

664
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Speaker 1: the putter shows up, Rory's going to be there. I

665
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: think Dustin's going to be there. The weird thing about

666
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: Dustin is is that the last number one to win

667
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: the Masters was two Tiger. He was the last number

668
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: one to win the Masters. He was number two going

669
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Speaker 1: into the Masters, you know, five when he beat Christa

670
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: Marco in the playoff. DJ was actually number one going

671
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: into the Masters that year. So history's going a little

672
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: against Dustin Johnson. And the average world rank who's won

673
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: the Masters the last say, since twenty ten is twelve.

674
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: That's the average world rank. And who's sitting at number

675
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: twelve right in now? Patrick Reid funny enough, and right

676
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: around there thirteen is Justin Rose, who's kind of starting

677
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: to turn into a little bit of a chic pick

678
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: for next week. And again with Justin, it's the putter.

679
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: If the putter shows up, Justin's always got a chance

680
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: at Augustin National. He's got a very good record there.

681
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: As far as a sleeper pick for me, Paul Casey

682
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: not a sleeper pick. I think Paul his game is

683
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: starting to round into form, get better. He loves that place.

684
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: You've got perfect ball flight again, a guy who bombs it.

685
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: You can hit it both directions, right to left, left

686
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: to right. I think Paul's gonna I think Paul's going

687
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: to be there too, and he finished fourth last year

688
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: and he's he's also had a tremendous record at Augusta National.

689
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: But the sleeper pick I think for me is Mark Leishman,

690
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: ye bend of my dark horse obviously One Bay Hill

691
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, has a T four. He's

692
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: only played in four Masters, missed three or four cuts,

693
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: but the T four was in thirteen. He knows how

694
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: to play the place, and he's in good form right now,

695
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: and maybe he can recapture some of those vibes from

696
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen and play well again next week. But I

697
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: like him as a sleeper pick.

698
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: Austin's tend to play well at Augusta too, and.

699
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: I could, Yes, yes, they do.

700
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: So, you know the usually the you know, the firm

701
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: and fast greens. They have a big advantage coming from

702
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: the sand belt. Yeah. I like Leishman's chance. I just

703
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: did my sleepers. I had Fleetwood on there. Who's you know,

704
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: he's gone from one hundredth and to thirty third in

705
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: the world rankings. He's another rookie though. That's that It's interesting.

706
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: I think I think the softer, the softer conditions will

707
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: help rookies obviously.

708
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely no doubt.

709
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of something that.

710
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: That's why wrong, That's why I like rom Andy so

711
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: much next week, because I do believe the softer conditions

712
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: are gonna take the are gonna take the bounce away,

713
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: and that's gonna take away. That's gonna take away the

714
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: advantage the veterans have, who've seen that place under numerous conditions.

715
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: They've seen it fiery, they've seen it slow, and when

716
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: when when you haven't when you've seen the ball bounce

717
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: I've played three years one year was fairly soft. I

718
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: think it was six when Michelson won. That was my

719
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: rookie year there and I finished fourteenth. I played, I

720
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: played very well. The next year it was blowing twenty

721
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: every day. It was like the windshield factor was like

722
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: thirty eight. It was ridiculous. And the golf course was

723
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: full of fire, I mean hard and fast, and it

724
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: absolutely ruined me. And because I wasn't used to that,

725
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: and O wait was kind of similar. It was kind

726
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: of halfway in between. But when you haven't seen that

727
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: golf course with fire in it, with that bounce, I

728
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: mean when you see a ball bound in certain spots,

729
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: that can be intimidating for certain guys. When you think

730
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: you've get a perfect drive in a certain area and

731
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: it's often too the pine straw and you're having to

732
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: create something crazy around a pine tree and out of

733
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: the pine straw that can get to that can get

734
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: to a rookie. There's no doubt, you know.

735
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: I've got a kind of a theory on why everybody

736
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: loves Obviously it's a huge advantage playing there every year

737
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: where the fan gets familiar. But I think Augusta does

738
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: such a great job of you know, the course constantly

739
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: asks players to hit the heroic shot, and when you

740
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: pull it off, you've got, you know, unbelievable looks at

741
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: birdie and the eagle. But when you don't, it's, you know,

742
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: all of a sudden turns into a tough power bogie.

743
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: Would you say that you know that it compared to

744
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: most courses that the tour stats at has that more

745
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: of a risk reward feel throughout the round than everywhere else.

746
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: At Augusta National versus the rest of the golf versus

747
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: the rest of the golf courses, I would say, I

748
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: would say so, yeah, I would say Augusta nationals uh

749
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: prime for that that I mean that. I think that's

750
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: that's it. I think that's a hallmark of a lot

751
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: of mackenzie golf courses in general. Quite honestly, I think

752
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: he was ahead of his time in that in that regard.

753
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: I think that, uh Mackenzie loved from what I you know,

754
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: playing growing up playing in Santaate State, we got to

755
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: play Posta Tiempo every every Monday for four years I did.

756
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: So I got to know Mackenzie very well in that

757
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: regard at Post Temple and kind of how he what

758
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: His philosophy was, and you might have a pin that's

759
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: located in one section of green, you're aiming thirty feet

760
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: right or left of a pin and using that slope

761
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: to bring it in. I think that that kind of

762
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: stuff is awesome. That's that's why Mackenzie's my favorite architect,

763
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: because he just used He used the land so well

764
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: and used you had to use your imagination and understand

765
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: the entire golf course and understand, you know, uh, where

766
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: the ball could feed from, and you wouldn't you wouldn't

767
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: have to attack every flagstick. You could. You could use

768
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: the banking and you could use different slopes to get

769
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: the ball to gather the ball where you want. And

770
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: that's one of the beauties of Augusta National in its

771
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: risk reward. Sometimes you don't want it very rarely. You

772
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: want to go right out of tin and Augusta National

773
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: very rarely. You you you're constantly playing away from pins,

774
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: even with wedges, to to use slopes to to kind

775
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: of take the fire out of the out of the

776
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: out of the bound and the and the ball and

777
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: let the ball gather. And sometimes twenty feet is a

778
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: phenomenal shot because if you go with that pin where

779
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: twenty feet right or left is a dominal shot. You

780
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: go out that pinning, don't pull it off like you said.

781
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you can make a double bull, you can

782
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: make a double bogie and not have a penalty shot

783
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: very easily. So just by messing around trying to get

784
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: cute with a pitch shot. So it's very important to

785
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: take your medicine. And that's another thing where rookies tend

786
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: to struggle with, especially in today's in today's day and age,

787
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: where everything is go go go right at pins, right

788
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: at the pin, right at the pin, right at the pin,

789
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: fire and go Augusta Nationals a throwback, and you can't.

790
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: You really can't do that there.

791
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting, I call you know what a lot

792
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: of the tour golf is is kind of robot golf

793
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: where it's just hit it far and straight and then

794
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: hit it right at the flag. And what we're what

795
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: we're seeing this year is, you know, two of the

796
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: most exciting tournaments have been like the match play where

797
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: you're playing at Austin Country Club, which is you know,

798
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: a shorter set up with you know a lot of

799
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: risk reward, but you know that golf course was so

800
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: firm and fast that it played, you know, so much

801
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: differently than the usual one. And then they had the

802
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: w GC Mexico, which you know was was very short

803
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: but also very firm and fast. Like, do you think

804
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: that the tour needs to look at at going to

805
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 2: more unique and different setups, because you know, this tour

806
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 2: schedule is kind of a slog of the same type

807
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: of golf course weekend week out.

808
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Well in a lot of instances, honestly, in a lot

809
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: of instances, the tour doesn't have They don't have that reach.

810
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: I'd love to say, yes they need to, but the

811
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: economics of it, in the business side of it, tell me,

812
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: you know, we've got contracts with certain golf courses and

813
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: certain places for X amount of years and we're not

814
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: going anywhere. So in that regard, it's up to the

815
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: tour officials in my opinion, to set the golf course

816
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: up and Slugger and his crew and Mark Russell and

817
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: his crew when they're out there, those guys, uh and

818
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: all the guys who do set ups, and one guy

819
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: sets up the front nine, usually one guy set up

820
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: the back nine, and it's up to it's up to

821
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: our tour tour officials at the regular tour stops to

822
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: really make it interesting for the players, and they can

823
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: only do so much. You can, Hey, listen, there's certain

824
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: golf courses out there where you can put lipstick on

825
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: a pig, but it's still a pig, you know. So so,

826
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean, they can do whatever they want, but they

827
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: can't dress you know, you can, you can dress it

828
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: up only so much, so you know it's it's uh Yeah,

829
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: Harbor Town, you can put in the same vein Harbor

830
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: Town is always exciting.

831
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: I think.

832
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: It's a Harbortown is awesome for that same reason, same reason.

833
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: W GC Mexico and the w GC del Mats play

834
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: we were amazing, short, tight, different looks off of ts,

835
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: put a little wind in there. I love those golf courses.

836
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: Love those golf courses. Lots of options off the tees

837
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: and you gotta you got to move the ball both directions.

838
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: You gotta hit it high, hit it low. Yeah. I

839
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: would be a huge fan off every week we got

840
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: to play a golf course like that. It's just unfortunately

841
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: it's it's not the case. It's just not the case,

842
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: just due to a lot of different factors.

843
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's also not easy to get a

844
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: golf course if it's a private club, to give up

845
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: the golf course for two weeks.

846
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: You know, that's well, you know, we played a decent

847
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: amount of tPCS too, and quite honestly, the tPCS, because

848
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: we own them, they don't have a sighte fee attached

849
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: to them. So that's good business for the tour. Yeah,

850
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, so they don't. You don't have to pay

851
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: a site see at the tPCS, and you have to

852
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: pay a site fee at other golf courses.

853
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: Most tPCS were built from nineteen eighty through two thousand

854
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: and five, you know, and that's not necessarily the uh,

855
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: the era of when great golf was being built. So

856
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: it's that's what i'd call.

857
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: That the dark ages there maybe fifty sixties seventies in

858
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: certain areas too, and so those are a little the

859
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: dark ages and golf course architecture there too.

860
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: So you know, you're it seems like, you know, from

861
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: Twitter and everything, you're pretty interested in architecture, is it.

862
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: You know, is this something that you got into after

863
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: your career or were you really into it from early

864
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: on because you got to you know, you got exposed

865
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: to some great architecture out in California as a young kid.

866
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think it's the form. I think

867
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: it's the latter. I think. I just you know, I

868
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: think to a certain extent as a golfer. This is

869
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: going to sound really really flowery and and uh kind

870
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: of corny, but I think that we're artists as golfers.

871
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: That's how I look at golfers. I don't look I mean,

872
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: some guys might be more tacticians or mechanics as I

873
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: like to call them, and guys who you know, work

874
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: on positions and all this. But quite honestly, I think

875
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: in regards that the best players have always been artists,

876
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: and golf courses are canvas. And I grew up and

877
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: I have a good reason to think like that. My

878
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: mom is by trade as an artist. She has a

879
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: master's from San Jase State in graphic design. And when

880
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up, our coffee table books

881
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: were architectural digest, mone Mayonnai Dega, Rembrandt, all the greats

882
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: of art, especially Impressionist work, and so had I have.

883
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: I have a very fond memory of art. I have

884
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: a very healthy respect for art, and because of my

885
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: mom and so for me, the golf course and golf

886
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: course architecture was just another extension of artwork, because much

887
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: like artwork hanging on a wall in a gallery, you

888
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: can have one person walk up to a dega and go,

889
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: that is the most gorgeous looking thing I've ever seen

890
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: in the world. And then you could go over to

891
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: a Monet sitting right next to this diga, and you

892
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: can go, and another person will go, this is the

893
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: most gorgeous thing that I've ever seen, and they'd both

894
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: be right. And that's how I look at golf course architecture.

895
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: Are there some dogs out there? Yeah, there's there might

896
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: be some stuff done by the greats that I don't like,

897
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: but very few things. Much like the greats and golf

898
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: course architecture, when you're talking about rainers, CEB McDonald, Tillinghast, Mackenzie, Ross,

899
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: you know the greats of the Golden Age, you know

900
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: the guys who were the greatest of all time at

901
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: what they did, and the pioneers. I think that very

902
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: few works from those guys were dogs. There are some

903
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: you can go, wow, this is a this is a Ross,

904
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: or this is a McKenzie. Like some people say that

905
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: about Claremont country Club up in the East Bay Hill. Wow,

906
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: this is a mckendie. It's a cute little six thousand

907
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: yard golf course in the in the in the East

908
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: State Hills that no one knows about that it's a McKenzie.

909
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: Same with Green Hills Country Club right up the road

910
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: from my front norm when I grew up in stan Mitfield, California,

911
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: in sam Bruno or Millbray, it's a it's a McKenzie

912
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: and no one hardly knows that it's there. But it's

913
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: a cute little, I don't know, sixty two hundred yard

914
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: golf course. That's the McKenzie that people either love or hate.

915
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: So I just I've always looked at golf course architecture

916
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: from the perspective of it being art. I've never tried

917
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: to assign values, even though I probably have in the past,

918
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: I've never tried to assign I've never purposely tried to

919
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: assign values to rate a golf course on certain things.

920
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: I think if I had to, the one thing would

921
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: be shot values. I mean, what are the shot values? Like,

922
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: do you do you play a lot of different clubs?

923
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: Do you have to use it a lot of different clubs?

924
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: Off the t's do you do?

925
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: You do?

926
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: You go through your whole bag throughout the day. How

927
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: much strategy. I'm a huge fan of of strategic golf.

928
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of just brought force US

929
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: Open style golf courses. Quite honestly, I like being able

930
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: to create a so I love That's why I'm a

931
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: huge McKenzie fan. I love being able to you know,

932
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: why are you driving it way over here when the

933
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: middle of the fairway's here? Well, the pins on the

934
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: right today, and that's how you get to that tent.

935
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: You've got to be way over here, and you might

936
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: have a longer shot, but I've got a better angle

937
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: than you sitting on the right, even though you're a

938
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: club or two shorter than I am. In an agree.

939
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of stuff that I love about

940
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: strategic golf courses and the old school golf courses. And

941
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: and they'll they'll always be art to me. And it's

942
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: in the eye of the beholder, quite honestly. You might

943
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: not like dope. You might a certain dope stuff. You

944
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: might not like certain crunshot course stuff or Hant stuff

945
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: or Kyle Phillips, who's one of my favorite favorite architects,

946
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: and the stuff that he's done over the last few years,

947
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: I think is really good stuff. I think all those

948
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: guys are are kind of a throwbacks of the old

949
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: school guys, only in this modern era. And I'm glad

950
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: to see that they're kind of taking some of the

951
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: some of the things that that all the guys back

952
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: in the twenties did and they're kind of trying to

953
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: live it on their golf courses just a little bit

954
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: with their own modern twist.

955
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd agree with you with the art thing wholeheartedly.

956
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: I mean, if you gave all of those architects that

957
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: you just rattled off the same piece of land, they'd

958
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: all come back with completely different routings and golf courses,

959
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: you know, and that's the body of it, and they'd

960
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: all be brilliant.

961
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: Probably, they'd all be brilliant.

962
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: Yep. And that's like, you know why, it's completely art.

963
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: It's a complete form of art, and you know it.

964
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: It's there's so many intricacies when you play a great

965
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: golf course and you learn stuff over and over every

966
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: time you play. I think that's one of the ways

967
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: I think about golf courses is like, would I want

968
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 2: to play here every day. You know, you hit on

969
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: a lot of great things with shot values, Like, you know,

970
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: does it Does it make me hit different shots? Do

971
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: I use all my clubs in my bag? Is there

972
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: a good variety in their par threes?

973
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: You know?

974
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: I think there's nothing worse than when you go to

975
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: a golf course and every part three is between two

976
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 2: hundred and two hundred and twenty yards. You know, psychic,

977
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: You're gone.

978
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I will literally, I don't care.

979
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: I will literally change tea boxes. So if the guys say, oh,

980
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: we're playing from the back, tief, No, I'm gonna play

981
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: fifth par three from one hundred and fifty yards because

982
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: that pins a dumb pin from two twenty.

983
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, seriously, it's a it's a golf

984
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: course's job to test all aspects of your game, you know.

985
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: And if you're just if a par three's or part

986
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: three should have variety, they should test your wedge game,

987
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: they should test your mid iron game, your long iron game.

988
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: You know, it shouldn't just be a test of how

989
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: good you can hit a five or four iron.

990
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, I'm of the mind that a golf course

991
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: has I think a good golf course has three things

992
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: to start with. And this is really my only, I

993
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: guess rule, if you would say, if you want to

994
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: call it a rule, it has to have a great

995
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: short part three under one hundred and fifty yards okay,

996
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: with trouble all over the place, or something that tests

997
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: your way nine iron, eight iron okay, but no more

998
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: than an eight iron from the back teas okay. And

999
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: in some cases, you know, people hit different if you

1000
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: play the right teas. Let's say your eight iron only

1001
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: goes one hundred and twenty play one hundred and twenty

1002
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: yard t box one hundred and ten yard te box

1003
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: at the same home. Okay. It has to have a

1004
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: great reachable risk reward par five all right, four hundred

1005
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: and eighty five to five hundred and twenty five yards

1006
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: with all kinds of issues all over the place. But

1007
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: you can still hit driver if you want to. I

1008
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: don't like the ones that take driver out of your hand.

1009
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: But yet, if you want to hit driver, you've got

1010
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: to hit a good driver but leaves you a bail area.

1011
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: But it's going to be a tough out to get

1012
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: to make to make a three maybe or a four

1013
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: from that at bail area. But if you hit the

1014
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: drive right with your driver, you've got to you know,

1015
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: a mid iron to a long iron in your hand

1016
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: is from the back tees is a good as a

1017
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: good player, and you've got a chance to make a three.

1018
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: And usually the green's fairly difficult. And then the last

1019
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: and the least last, but not least is a little

1020
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: part four. Love the drivable part four. And again you

1021
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: got to make it tough. You gotta make I think

1022
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: in all honesty, you either got to make the layup

1023
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: tough and make the layup so tough with an iron

1024
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: that that guys don't want to do it, so that

1025
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: they're that are like, I don't want to lay up

1026
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: with a seven iron and and hit a sandwich in

1027
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: Why would I do that? So you, I mean, that's

1028
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that that I love. And then

1029
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: the green's got to be cautiously psychotic, as I like

1030
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: to say, to where it's not goofy, but it tests

1031
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: the player's patience.

1032
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the that short part four is like

1033
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 2: in full renaissance. It's like the new thing to do,

1034
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: and you know, almost every golf course has them now

1035
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: and it is just so great. I love how those

1036
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: holes are ones where you can make it two, or

1037
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: you can make a you can make a seven, and

1038
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: it can just unred level so quickly without like you

1039
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: said about Gus, without taking a pen only shot.

1040
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: Or in the case or in the case of number

1041
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: ten at Riviera, you can make a four. You can

1042
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: make a seven. Yeah, that's par five in America at

1043
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: three hundred and ten yards.

1044
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1045
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: I you know.

1046
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: The hole I love out at Riviera is seven. I

1047
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 2: think that that cross bunker, that that's such a good

1048
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: little little mid length Part four.

1049
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: I think I think that the probably the two most brilliant,

1050
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: but I'd say there's three brilliant par fours on that

1051
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: golf course. In my humble opinion, I think five is

1052
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: a brilliant par four down the hill. I think seven,

1053
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: agree with you, and I think eight. I love the

1054
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: idea of double fairways and creating angles based on where

1055
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: the pin is located. And I you know, I was

1056
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: I would be missed, be remiss if I didn't mention

1057
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: George Thomas with those other architects, because he's kind of

1058
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: the quiet one of the bunch back then, and I

1059
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: think did brilliant work that doesn't get as much recognized

1060
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite golf courses. I mean, I

1061
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: would rivi here is one of my favorites. It's in

1062
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: my top ten of all time without a doubt. M h.

1063
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: That's it's a it's an awesome place. It's a the

1064
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: thing I find interesting about that, And you know, diving

1065
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: back a little bit into the PGA Tour, and I've

1066
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: said this on I think probably a couple of podcasts,

1067
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: but I can't the last time the winners there are

1068
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: historically above the age of twenty eight. I think it's

1069
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: been thirty or fourteen years where there's been a younger

1070
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: winner than twenty eight. And I think it's so much

1071
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: because of how you have to think, and it becomes

1072
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: so angle oriented that you have to think your way

1073
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: around the golf course. And it's not robot golf like

1074
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: these other places where it's just hit it close, because

1075
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: there's actual you know, there's you have to create the

1076
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: angles to make the birdies out there. And I bet

1077
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: you would know much more having played it in you know, competition.

1078
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do have to. You know, if it was

1079
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Willett and Speed the last two

1080
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: years that that was that average age was around thirty two,

1081
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: and those guys dropped it dramatically, obviously because they're obviously

1082
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: guys in there.

1083
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: Early in Midwelfes Well, I was talking about Riviera.

1084
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry. Oh oh, I thought you were talking

1085
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: about Augusta. I apologize. So, yeah, no, Rivier. Rivier is

1086
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: very similar, I think to a certain extent. You know,

1087
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: every year for the I was out there walking the

1088
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: golf course this year with Dustin Johnson watching him doing

1089
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: live golf, and you do you have to create angles

1090
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: on a lot of holes out there, uh And and

1091
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: George Thomas set up the greens at angles and angled

1092
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: the greens to where you know, if you don't get

1093
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: on a certain side of the fairway, it's gonna be

1094
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: a little bit more difficult attacking certain whole locations at

1095
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: that place. And and yet people consider it to be

1096
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: more of a US Open tract. But when you they

1097
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: didn't have hardly any rough there this year, I mean hardly,

1098
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: And it was spotty at best, and and there was

1099
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: some thick part of the golf course, but most of

1100
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: the golf course was extremely playable off the fairwe and

1101
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: and so you if you wanted to you know, if

1102
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to blow it right on certain holes or

1103
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: left on certain holes, Uh, you had an opportunity to

1104
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: do so and and create yourself, give yourself proper angles

1105
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: into into the whole locations. But yeah, I think that

1106
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: I think that that golf course in and of itself

1107
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: does a does a fantastic job in in not only

1108
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: determining champions, but uh, creating really good some of the

1109
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: greatest shot values on the PGA Tour.

1110
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's that. I mean, it's one of the

1111
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: most probably the most architecturally sound golf course. Every year

1112
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 2: and year out and you see just such a diverse

1113
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: leader board. I wrote, like last year last year, this

1114
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: year was so soft and so much rain that it

1115
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: kind of diminished it. But the year before you had

1116
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: kJ Choy out there, hunt and drivers around two sixty

1117
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: and and in the lead on the back nine on Sunday.

1118
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: It's you know, and then you've got got you got

1119
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: Bubba who ended up winning hitting it. You know, it's

1120
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: some some spots eighty ninety yards past him.

1121
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, you had lots. That's the that's

1122
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: the wonderful thing about the golf course. You got there's

1123
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: lots of different ways to play it. You don't have

1124
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: to be a bomber to play that golf course. But

1125
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 1: the way DJ, the way DJ played that golf course

1126
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: because it was wet, the way he played that golf

1127
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: course this year, my goodness. I mean, I'm watching him

1128
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: go up nine, which is uphill, and there's a bunker

1129
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: out there at about two seventy and it's a i

1130
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: think two seventy to cover it or two seventy five

1131
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: to cover it, and he's playing with Perez and Trendall

1132
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: and Cameron's not long. He's one of the shorter hitters

1133
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: on tour, relatively short, you know, high two seventies, low

1134
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: two eighties. Perez is not short. Perez is above average

1135
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: to average average, above average on tour. And DJ Perez

1136
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: gets up there and bounces it, flies it in the

1137
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: bunker because.

1138
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: That plays, that plays traditionally into the wind too.

1139
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: You you yeah, at times, yeah, this today it was

1140
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: this day, it was calm, there was no win DJA,

1141
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: and DJ gets in Tangali bounces it into the bunker

1142
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: and then DJ gets up there, takes one look, one

1143
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: little swipe, and literally flies the bunker by thirty yards

1144
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: uphill two seventy five to cover it and didn't even

1145
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean it waved at it on its way by.

1146
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. I get up there and I'm looking

1147
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: at it, going you, this is not a fair fight.

1148
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: This guy's hitting nine iron or a ledgeendo number nine

1149
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: at Riviera and these guys are laying up out of

1150
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: this bunker. Yeah, with no chance to get to that grain.

1151
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: So he just took the place apart. He did. It

1152
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: was it was, it was. It was interesting to watch

1153
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: him play that place and how how he worked himself

1154
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: around that golf course. But distance distance his king man,

1155
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: That's what he showed me there that day. He had

1156
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: all the shots. There's no doubt he played some beautiful,

1157
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: soft touchy type shots in the greens that uh, which

1158
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: is why I'm picking him. He's my pick to win Augusta,

1159
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: which is you know, I'm going out on a big win.

1160
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: There aren't I but the guy's just playing too good.

1161
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: But he showed me a lot at Riviera of what

1162
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: he could do with his soft touch shots from the

1163
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: eight iron, nine iron, seven iron type shots that you

1164
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: need those at Augusta National to feed it to certain

1165
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: whole locations so the guy is just in full control

1166
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: of his game right now. It's fun to watch.

1167
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the people don't talk at the last

1168
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: two years. I mean, he hasn't made any putts at

1169
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: Augusta and he finished fourth and sixth. So it's not like,

1170
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, like I think, if he if his putting

1171
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: is average, he's he's nearly impossible to beat because of

1172
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: just how dominating he is tea green and especially like

1173
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: you said, off the tea theres is so important and

1174
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: nobody drives it better than him.

1175
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's no doubt. And you know, people will say, well, Aaron,

1176
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: what about his cut. You can't cut it on thirteen.

1177
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: That's a key hole for him. You can't cut it

1178
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: on two, that's a key hole for him. And I said, well,

1179
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: he's got a three wood that goes two hundred and

1180
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: eighty yards and if he turns that down, if he

1181
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: turns that down, which he can very easily, he's going

1182
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: to still be hitting iron into those holes after hitting

1183
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: three woods. So I'm not worried about Dustin Johnson on

1184
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: two or thirteen, which are two key holes that you

1185
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: do need to when you're his link, you do need

1186
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: to turn it down from right to left the rest

1187
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: of the holes. If he wants to hit an iron

1188
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: off a fourteen, he can. If he wants to hit

1189
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: a three wood off of fourteen and turn it down,

1190
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: he can. Fifteen, he can cut it. Seventeen, he can

1191
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: cut it. Eighteen. He has to cut it. One, he

1192
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: has to cut it. Three he can practice. We drive

1193
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: the green in the right conditions the rest of the

1194
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: golf course. He really doesn't have to sit up there

1195
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: to hit a big sling and draw. Quite honestly, he can,

1196
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, nine. He might. He might have to finagle

1197
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: a straight ball or a slight draw just a little bit. Ten. Yeah,

1198
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: you gotta sling it. But again, that's a three ord

1199
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: or a two iron down the hill for him, or

1200
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: a driving iron of some court, some some kind. Every

1201
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: other hole he can stand up there and hit a

1202
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: nice little, you know, nice little bleeder from left to

1203
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: right that goes through twenty. So I have no worries

1204
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: about DJ yeah next week, other than other than his putting.

1205
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: That's a good call. Yeah, he hasn't putted well at

1206
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: Augusta National traditionally, but he's got this new putter in

1207
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: the bag, and you know when speech's coming out and saying,

1208
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, DJ's a favorite. I don't know why I'm

1209
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: the favorite, because there's no reason I should be the

1210
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: favorite based on the way Dustin's playing right now, you know.

1211
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: And I agree with Jordan one hundred percent, whether he's

1212
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: trying to take pressure off himself next week or not,

1213
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 1: he's right on any account that Dustin's the favorite next week.

1214
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he's won three in a row and

1215
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: two of them have been WGCs, and you know Riviera

1216
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: isn't even close, so you gotta he is. He is

1217
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 2: a dominant force. So I'm kink I'm curious. I want

1218
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: to get into some Twitter questions. We got some good

1219
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: ones here, and you've mentioned some some of the courses

1220
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: you grew up playing in the Bay Area, and you've

1221
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: mentioned a few lesser known places like Green Hills and

1222
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: but what are you know some of your other favorites

1223
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: in the Bay Area that that everybody might not know about.

1224
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: Wow, Lincoln Park, Okay, uh, it's it's not in the greate,

1225
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: it's the shape. It's a muni up in San Francisco.

1226
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: But it might have one of the best part threes

1227
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: you'll ever play in number seventeen. Not only visually stunning,

1228
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: but just strategically. A cool hole sits downhill about two

1229
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: twenty hit downhill to a very small green, wide green,

1230
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: and often the distance to the left is the golden

1231
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: gate bridge that you can see clear as day. It's

1232
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it's stunning. Actually, especially on a clear day,

1233
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: it's absolutely stunning. And I would, I would highly recommend

1234
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: people go play up there. You know, you know, I'm

1235
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: a big fan of public golf. Go play all the muni's.

1236
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: Go play Palo Alto Muni, Go play San Jose Muni,

1237
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: go play, Go play Sunny Vale Muni, Go play San

1238
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: Mateo Meni now called Poplar Creek. Crystal Springs isn't a Muni,

1239
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: But go play Crystal Springs, a semi private golf club

1240
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: up on the hills there. Go play Crystal Springs. They're

1241
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 1: fun tracks. Some of them are pretty flat, as flat

1242
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: as pancakes. Uh, but it's just you know where I

1243
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: grew up. It's it's it's it's just a it's a

1244
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: they're fun tracks that aren't going to break your bank,

1245
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: and you'll have a nice day out there.

1246
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: Quite honestly, I gotta ask you with with the uh

1247
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: with Sharp Park, it sounds like that project is gonna be,

1248
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: you know, headed towards the restoration. You know what, what

1249
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: how good could that place be?

1250
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: That place could be the best public golf course, in

1251
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: my opinion, better than Harding Park if it's done right,

1252
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: that's serious. It could be better than Harding Park. If

1253
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: you take it back to what mackenzie had originally designed

1254
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: that place to be, it could be better. It could

1255
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: be the best. It could be the best public golf course.

1256
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: Maybe this might be a stretch, but maybe in the

1257
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: state of California, quite honestly, if it's done right, if

1258
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: it's done right, if you if you go back to

1259
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: a total, a true restoration, it could potentially be the

1260
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: best municipal golf course in in California. Yeah, in my opinion. Yeah,

1261
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: so there's a lot riding on it. You know, I'd

1262
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,479
Speaker 1: want a guy who really understood McKenzie number one. There's

1263
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that do but to do it

1264
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: and I've played Sharp obviously grown up, and that's another

1265
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: one you can add to the list. Although they've they've

1266
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: really let it go, quite honestly. But if that comes

1267
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: and pruishing, if they do it. It could be pretty magical.

1268
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: Actually that place, yeah.

1269
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 2: I mean right for those of you that don't haven't

1270
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: heard about it, Sharp Parks, This municipal Mackenzie design that's

1271
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: right on the on the waterfront there and in San Francisco,

1272
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: and you know, it's been it's been overgrown. They've been

1273
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: in a big environmental fight for years, and it finally

1274
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 2: looks like the uh, the restoration plans are going to

1275
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 2: move forward. So that's something that we'll we'll have to

1276
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: keep an eye on. I I want to get out

1277
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: there and play it and see it before and you know,

1278
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: always it gives you a good mindset of what how

1279
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: it's changed over the years. But so, uh, Columbus Pete

1280
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,439
Speaker 2: wants to know what your thoughts are on Pebble Beach

1281
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: being considered overrated.

1282
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: Laughable, absolutely laughable, no chance, no chance. You could make

1283
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: an argument that the first and second holes that overrated.

1284
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:06,479
Speaker 1: But no, there's there's strategue. There's strategy around every corner

1285
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: at Coubble Beach if you know where to look for it.

1286
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: There's strategy on one through eighteen. Every hole it's a

1287
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: second shot golf course. There's nothing overrated about Coubble Beach.

1288
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: Not an ounce overrated about Pebble Beach, and anybody who

1289
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: says that, in my opinion, no, listen. I did say

1290
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: that golf is in the eye of the beholder. And

1291
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: there might be people out there who played it that

1292
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: went eh, and that's cool. That's there. That's their opinion.

1293
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: But you know, for me, there is absolutely zero overrated

1294
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: about Pebble Beach. And if I had one place to

1295
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: play the rest of my life every day, and I

1296
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: and I could play it every day, it would be

1297
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach with out of doubt. Out of doubt not

1298
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: just because I won there, but just because of the

1299
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: variety of holes and the things that you have to

1300
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: do around that place, and that you change a pin

1301
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: from twenty feet over here to twenty feet over there,

1302
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: and the whole and the wind switches from this direction

1303
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: of that the golf course plays so different every day.

1304
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: You get a different golf course every day out there.

1305
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: It's brilliant. Mm hmm.

1306
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: It's uh. That's what I actually wanted to ask you.

1307
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: You get three places to play the rest of your life,

1308
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: so you got Pebble as one of them. One of

1309
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: the other two.

1310
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: Uh, they're they're all they're all in northern California, and

1311
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: they're all within two hour drives. They're all within a

1312
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: two hour drive Pebble past Epo and the California Golf Club.

1313
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 2: It's good. I mean, you cut down on any expenses

1314
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: of travel having you get to the only three golf course.

1315
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: You know, really really real, real simple people are like, no,

1316
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: Cypress Point, what like Cypress is good? Uh? But uh,

1317
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: for my money? If my favorite course on the peninsula

1318
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: is definitely on the Moneray Peninsula is Pebble Beach, all right.

1319
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: That's it. You know, it's a contrarian view. We love

1320
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: contrarian views at Friday.

1321
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: So you know there's no oh yeah, everybody kills me

1322
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: about that. Aaron, What is wrong with you? Why don't

1323
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: you like Cyprus Point? I like Cyprus Point. I do.

1324
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: It's just it's not it's not I'm not I'm gonna

1325
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: put it in my top ten of all time that

1326
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: I've played and I love, but I'm not going to

1327
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: put it in my top five.

1328
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: And you know it just because you don't want to

1329
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 2: play it every day doesn't mean it's not a great golf.

1330
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's a exactly exactly. This is where I

1331
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: have the beholder and golf courses being artwork come into play.

1332
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: It's for you know, if rem Brand's not your thing,

1333
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: then you got money right over here. I mean it's

1334
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to go wrong in Bonterey. You know,

1335
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: you got to dig all over here. Do you want

1336
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, do you want a monet over here? Give me?

1337
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: Give me a break, you know? M hm?

1338
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,959
Speaker 2: So I uh, let's get one more here from Holliday.

1339
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: Tacos wants to know who wins in a NASA today,

1340
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 2: You or Tiger.

1341
01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man. Well, if he can't it's an

1342
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: easy answer. If he's not, If he can't play because

1343
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: of his back, I think I get him pretty easily.

1344
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1345
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: But if he's if he's well practiced, uh, and I

1346
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: get out there and I practice right now currently. If

1347
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 1: we were to go right now, absolutely, at this moment

1348
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: in time, I think it'd be a close match because

1349
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: my game's not all that great. But I don't think

1350
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: his is either.

1351
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: So you don't think he's he's playing the next week.

1352
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: Something tells me he's going to show up. I don't

1353
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: know why. I just have a gut feeling he's going

1354
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 1: to show up, and I just think that the place

1355
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: means too much to him, I really do. Would I

1356
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: be surprised if he didn't. No, I wouldn't be surprised

1357
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: if he didn't, because he's got plenty of reasons not

1358
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: to show up, quite honestly. But but but I really,

1359
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I just think he I think he's

1360
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: gonna to show up. I really do. So we'll see

1361
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: it all. In my opinion, it all depends on how

1362
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: his body's feeling, and then whether his whether his game

1363
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: is is he feels his games up to snuff, because

1364
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: that place can make if your game's not right, it

1365
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: can make you look real foolish. Yeah, real quick.

1366
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: It's I just don't know what happened from Jamaica or

1367
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 2: the Bahamas to Tory. It just just looked like it

1368
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 2: something changed he looks.

1369
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: I just I think it's one of those Well, it's

1370
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: the same thing that happened to me, quite honestly, And

1371
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: what I tried to explain on Gulf Central a couple

1372
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and we talked about it when he

1373
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: said he wasn't going to play bay Hill, I think

1374
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: it was he came out announced that. I. I think

1375
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 1: what happened is is that whenever you've had multiple surgeries

1376
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: on one part of your body, you you don't know

1377
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: how that's going to react day to day, let alone

1378
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: week to week. And it happened in my hand. I'd

1379
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: wake up one day and my I'd get out to

1380
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: the range, hands perfect, and everything's going great. I'm striping

1381
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: it and I can hit all the shots. The next

1382
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: day I wake up and I and I can barely

1383
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: hold onto the golf club. I'm dead serious doing this

1384
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: weekend week ount. I think it's the same for his back.

1385
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: I don't. It's so up in the air. The back

1386
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: is compromise. His back is compromised, and it's compromised, in

1387
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: my opinion, fairly severely, based on the fact that he

1388
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: just when you've had three surgeries, Based on my knowledge,

1389
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: I've had four surgeries on one part of my body

1390
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: and I'm missing bones in my left hand. It's where

1391
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: I can't play anymore. He's had three microdissectomies on his back.

1392
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: He does it. I don't think he knows how that

1393
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: thing's going to react from day to day, and I

1394
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: think he's trying to learn how it's going to react.

1395
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: Is there a pattern? And I thought that, you know,

1396
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 1: I think he was being very aggressive with his scheduling

1397
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion, going trying to go to the Middle

1398
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: East and all that. And I applaud him for thinking

1399
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: that he could do it, but I was a little

1400
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: skeptical about the the scheduling when I saw it, I'm like, man,

1401
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: you gotta pop on a plane for seventeen hours. That's

1402
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: not great for the backs.

1403
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, Tory was so damp and cold

1404
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: it couldn't have been good either.

1405
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I was out there,

1406
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: and I was out there and followed him and watched him.

1407
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: They're doing line golf. Yeah, and it was it was uh,

1408
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: it was cold, it was damp, and uh, those conditions

1409
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: aren't great for a back either.

1410
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we we want to get out of

1411
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: here and not take up too much of your time.

1412
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 2: He's been more than generous. We we have a closing segment.

1413
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,560
Speaker 2: We do uh overrated, underrated, and I'm just going to

1414
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:45,879
Speaker 2: give you five rapid fire questions here. Good seminole, seminole,

1415
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: seminal golf club, YEP, underrated, underrated. Okay, so it's it's

1416
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,759
Speaker 2: up into your top in my top ten. Okay, okay,

1417
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 2: practice rounds.

1418
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: Overrated, overrated.

1419
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: I imagine as you've become a veteran on tour, they

1420
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 2: become less and less important.

1421
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: They're they're they're underrated as a rookie, and in every

1422
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: year after that, you're better off just taking a wedge

1423
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: and a putter and walking around and saving your body.

1424
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: Maybe hit some shots on the parts trees or in

1425
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: a tough driving hole here and there, but other than that,

1426
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: just pitching put around the greens Man.

1427
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 3: Okay, equipment, Uh, equipment's overrated, overrated, and yeah, it's.

1428
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: Not gonna help. It's not gonna it's not gonna make

1429
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: your game that much better. If you don't practice. You

1430
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: gotta practice, you gotta. I'll tell you what's underrated. Lessons

1431
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: from a good teacher that's underrated. Equipment's overrated, Lessons from

1432
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: a good teacher underrated.

1433
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: I wholeheartedly agree with that. Phil Nicholson as a in

1434
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 2: a career sense.

1435
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: Underrated by a long shot. Underrated people don't understand the

1436
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: man's brilliant. You know, Phil is one of my favorite

1437
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: people in the world, and and you know I used

1438
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: to play practice rounds with him. Back in the day. Uh,

1439
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: in major championships. I played four or five with him

1440
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: between four and seven when I was playing in majors

1441
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: and we were at the same management company, so we

1442
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: played together. And Uh, the guy, I learned a lot

1443
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: from him. But but he's but he I think his

1444
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: career has been underrated to be to be quite awesome.

1445
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't think people have have given him the do

1446
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's mainly because of Tiger. What Tiger did.

1447
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: What Tiger did, Tiger made everybody look less than less

1448
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: than stellar. Uh, he made us all look foolish at times,

1449
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: There's no doubt because of his greatness. But but by

1450
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: no means do I think that that diminished Phil's career

1451
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: and in any way, shape or form. The guys the

1452
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: guy's underrated, I think for what he's done and who

1453
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: he is and what he's become. And a real quick

1454
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: side note because we were we were texting back and

1455
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 1: forth a little bit before here when in regards to

1456
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: a young gentleman on the tour by the name of

1457
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: Grayson Murray, who who's maze if who's made a name

1458
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: for himself a little bit maybe not such a great

1459
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: way on the tour with with some of the stuff

1460
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: he said in regards to the world rankings and so

1461
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: on and so forth, and maybe to some of the

1462
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: other tours Phil. I would remember playing a practice round

1463
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: with still back in I can't remember what I was

1464
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: I was, actually, I think I was a top fifty

1465
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: player in the world this time, and I was I

1466
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: was complaining about something I wasn't happy and about this

1467
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 1: that or the other thing, about access to this tournament

1468
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: of that tournament. And I'd been under my breath and

1469
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: quietly complaining to my caddy and this and that for

1470
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: about four or five holes, and Phil finally looks at

1471
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: me and goes, Oberholzer, shut up. I'm tired of listening

1472
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: to talk about that. I go, I've taken aback by it.

1473
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm like what, And he's like, He's like, if you

1474
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: don't like your lot in life, just play better. Period.

1475
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: And I didn't talk to him for about two holes

1476
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: because I was so ticked off at him for saying that.

1477
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: But the fact is is he was dead on right,

1478
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: and that's that would be my advice, I guess to

1479
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: mister Grayson Murray, if you don't like your lot in life,

1480
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: play better.

1481
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 2: Golf.

1482
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 1: It's that simple. Yeah, that and that's what I learned

1483
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 1: from Phil. And that's what I'd like to impart on

1484
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 1: to Grayson Murray if you if this ever gets to Grayson.

1485
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 2: The That's the thing I think about a lot is

1486
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: you know when I you know, I play an amateur

1487
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Speaker 2: stuff and people come off the course and moan about

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01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: different things, and it you know, something that I've you know,

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01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: started to take hold of is like, you know what

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01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 2: play better like? And I say it to myself all

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Speaker 2: the time. It's like, you know, oh, I you know,

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Speaker 2: I missed that that I had that putt lip out like.

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you shouldn't have been anywhere near the

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01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: number anyway. It's just play better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, exactly right. That's that's the thing. There's

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Speaker 1: no use complaining. There's zero youth complaining. And I was

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Speaker 1: I was a I was a plus ten complainer at

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Speaker 1: times in my career. There's no doubt. I'll freely admit that.

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Speaker 1: But the left complaining that the weeks I did, the

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Speaker 1: less complaining, the better.

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Speaker 2: I played periods.

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Speaker 1: And Grayson will Grayson will figure that out, in my opinion,

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: he will figure out that to let his clubs, do

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01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: the talking, and to just just keep your keep your

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01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: nose cleaning, keep your mouth shut, and go play golf.

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01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 2: I you know, I watched him play in Columbus last

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01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: year at a web dot com. I followed him for

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01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 2: eighteen holes and walked away. I was blown away by

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01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 2: his game. He drives it long, he putts well. You know,

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01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 2: he's got so much potential. But in last year on

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01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 2: the web dot com, he's not on Twitter at all.

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01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 2: He's not doing anything. He's keeping his he's just playing golf,

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01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 2: and he finishes, finish his second on their money list.

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Speaker 2: You know, so I think he's got to keep his

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Speaker 2: head down and play in golf.

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Speaker 1: You know, I agree with you, uber talented. Uber talented.

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01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean, the sky's limit for the kid, as long

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01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: as he, like I said, keeps his nose clean, keeps

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01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: his mouth shut, learn the golf courses, and just concentrating

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01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: your game. I mean, if I was his management team,

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: I'd grab him by the back of the neck and

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01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: I'd say, son off Twitter now. I mean literally get

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01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: rid of the account. If you can't handle it, get

1524
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: rid of the account, cancel it and just focus on golf.

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01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: This is this is going to be his livelihood if

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01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: he wants to be, and he's got a choice he

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01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: can make right now on how good he wants to be,

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01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: and spending time getting into arguments, in my opinion online

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01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 1: with guys about things that really don't matter in my opinion,

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01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: aren't going to help him get to the goal that

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01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: I believe he can reach, which is being a PGA

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Speaker 1: Tour winner. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I've walked away thinking like, this kid could be the

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01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,560
Speaker 2: rookie of the year. So you know, it's uh, he

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01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 2: hopefully will. Uh, he'll kind of shape up here and

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01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 2: and and get you know, you want you want the

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01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 2: kid to succeed. Nobody wants anybody to fail.

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01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: And and I think it, No, no, I don't like

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01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: to see anybody failing.

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01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he, if he can, he's got he's got

1541
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 2: so much game. So last overrated, underrated bucket hats.

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01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Kirk will kill me for this. But overrated,

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01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: all right, overrated. I'm not a big fan of the

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01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 1: bucket hat.

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01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: It's uh, yeah, I respect it that it's a bad it's.

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01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: A bad look. Hey, look have you got some skin issues? Absolutely,

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01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: you gotta wear it, go for it. It's just it's

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01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 1: that'll make it's a great look.

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Speaker 2: All right. Well, Aaron, thanks so much for coming on,

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01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 2: and uh, we'll look forward to I know you're you

1551
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 2: got anything to play. I know you're gonna be on

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01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 2: Golf Channel a lot in the in the upcoming weeks,

1553
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: so you know, uh, anything you want to you want

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Speaker 2: to put out there, No, I'll be.

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01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: I'll be. People are gonna hear and see a lot

1556
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: of me over the next seven out of eight weeks.

1557
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 1: Is I only have one week off and those seven

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01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: out of eight weeks, So come on over to the channel.

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Speaker 1: I hope you and I hope people enjoy the coverage

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01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: that we that we try to give him every week

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01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: and the analysis that we try to give him every week. It's, uh,

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01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun doing it, and I'm glad that,

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01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: uh that we try to create healthy discussion with with

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01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: the stuff that we say between what doesn't matter, no

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01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 1: to Brandle, Frank David, do all myself, Trip Eisenhower, Jim Gallagher,

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01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: all the guys, and and we're gonna try to do

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Speaker 1: our best to do the same thing next week. I

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01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: think we've got a good play to shows next week

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Speaker 1: for for the Masters for Life from the Masters.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, Well, we'll look forward to uh seeing you

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01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 2: on on Golf Channel and then everybody's a great Twitter

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01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: follow follow Aaron on Twitter and uh, you know he uh,

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01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 2: we'll talk to you soon and yeah, hopefully it'll be

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01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 2: a great week.

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Speaker 1: It will be, there's no doubt. Thanks a lot, Andy,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Thanks Aaron, but