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Speaker 1: What are we even? What are we even doing? Welcome

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Speaker 1: to what are we even doing? I'm Kyle and you

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Speaker 1: know the drill. I've been talking to artists, actors, creators

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Speaker 1: of all type about their process or their creative process

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Speaker 1: and how they use social media. And today we have

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Speaker 1: a very special guest. I don't have a good friend,

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Speaker 1: but you're a friend. Were all together, old friend over compensating, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: co star because we are where the stars not many. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I forget the perfect person, perfect opinions. Oh, Caleb, it's

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Speaker 1: so nice to have you with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: I always start questions off by asking you you're a kid,

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Speaker 1: You're like having fun in the moment you realize, Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is something that I might want to do. Comedy

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Speaker 1: is something that I might want to there's a spark there.

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Speaker 1: I think, or talk to me about that moment if

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Speaker 1: you can remember or can recall what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I mean I truly. I think. I say

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Speaker 2: this all the time, and sometimes when I say it,

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Speaker 2: I think people think I'm like, you know, cwing at

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Speaker 2: like some kind of like performance of humility or something.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like the women in my family are like

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Speaker 2: my biggest comedic inspirations. They're so funny and they're so

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Speaker 2: much funnier than the men, and so I was always

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Speaker 2: just like trying to make them laugh at any given scenario,

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Speaker 2: Like every family event, I would gravitate to wherever the

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Speaker 2: and I was like, I want to make you laugh,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I remember when I was like eight,

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Speaker 2: maybe we had a babysitter who you know, we were

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Speaker 2: all poor, so our parents went in on like a

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Speaker 2: shared babysitter for a couple of the neighborhood kids, and

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Speaker 2: we all want to go to one house and get watched.

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Speaker 1: Idea.

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Speaker 2: I got an idea.

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Speaker 1: I understand that we had same experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we would go over there and she made

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Speaker 2: us these horrible meals, like I'm talking to Kyle. She

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Speaker 2: one night, I remember she this was the big one

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Speaker 2: she put she made. She cooked spaghetti noodles and put

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Speaker 2: thousand Island dressing on it. Okay, and she was like

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Speaker 2: She made a sit at the table until we finished

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Speaker 2: all of the gruel, and I the next day was

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Speaker 2: like recounting to my mom and we were at some

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Speaker 2: family event. My aunt, my cousins were there, and my

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Speaker 2: mom was calling people over. She was laughing so hard

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Speaker 2: to hear the story of this thing that we were

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Speaker 2: forced to eat. And I was like, this feels good,

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Speaker 2: Like I felt like a like a monster or something

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Speaker 2: like I was like feeding off of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I love that you took the material. Oh

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Speaker 1: I was thing that you went through and suffered through. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was this slop yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then yeah, I just I but I still didn't think.

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Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna be a lawyer. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's just I might I want to be like a

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Speaker 2: because I said, all the women in my family are funny,

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Speaker 2: but they're also nurses and teachers. And you know your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I was like, oh, funny is not

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Speaker 2: a lawyer who's fun it's funny. And then in college

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Speaker 1: So much more fun but your other story about the

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Speaker 1: reminded me of something that my mom did. So my

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Speaker 1: mom was not a good cook, plus her heart. She

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Speaker 1: So I'm there as a connoiseur. I'm, you know, eight

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me what? So? Hot dog soup? I've

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Speaker 2: So you there's the milk, which is burnt, and then

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about your background a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So you're from rural Missouri. Yes, So population of the town,

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Speaker 2: a town of like eight hundred people. Oh, and then

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Speaker 2: we moved to a town of like twenty thousand people. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I basically lobbied my mom. We were in the small town.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bigger. I think my graduating class at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but still small. Yeah. Yeah, so your friendship was

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Speaker 2: That's so cool. If you have to take his lead

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Speaker 1: I just you know, you try to. You know, you

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Speaker 1: decide to go to Missouri State, the Harvard of the Southwest.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's saying, and see, I totally get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went down there. It was like I wanted

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Speaker 2: I in college was so like, of course, all my

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Speaker 2: I have publicist, because I have an HBO special coming out.

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Speaker 2: Let's be very clear about that. There's like paid people

435
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,040
Speaker 2: who were on this. Yeah, gosh, I don't know you.

436
00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,560
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about, like, mister Beast did this thing

437
00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,920
Speaker 2: where he like screenshotted my face and was like, the

438
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,080
Speaker 2: Rolling Stones think this guy is more influential. I was like,

439
00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,760
Speaker 2: to be honest, he has a point. I laughed really

440
00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,240
Speaker 2: hard when I saw it. I was not offended in

441
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,160
Speaker 2: the slightest. I was like, I don't give a fuck.

442
00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in like what list I'm on. But

443
00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,520
Speaker 2: I was like, and honestly, that guy's got like hundreds

444
00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,360
Speaker 2: of millions of followers. I was like, my special comes

445
00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,760
Speaker 2: out next month. Not bad, brother, let's let's run up

446
00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:50,640
Speaker 2: my name a little bit.

447
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I was like, your heat.

448
00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. He messaged. He was very nice. He messaged me

449
00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,280
Speaker 2: and he was like, I'm so sorry. I don't want

450
00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,720
Speaker 2: to give away too much of you know. I hope

451
00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't feel that I'm giving away too much of

452
00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,600
Speaker 2: our conversation. But he messaged me and I was like, dude,

453
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,399
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny, no worries at all. He

454
00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,000
Speaker 2: was like, I deleted it and I apologize, and I

455
00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,600
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I'm not been out of shape about it,

456
00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,720
Speaker 2: but I haven't minse gratitude for or not gratitude but

457
00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,760
Speaker 2: empathy for that guy, because he is a level of

458
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,480
Speaker 2: famous that I struggle with the level of attention that

459
00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,760
Speaker 2: I have, which is a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage compared

460
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,320
Speaker 2: to him, which I guess what's his point, but he

461
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,480
Speaker 2: is like one of very few people in the history

462
00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,560
Speaker 2: of the world that have had to deal with that

463
00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,480
Speaker 2: level of public comment and scrutiny about him and whether

464
00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,400
Speaker 2: it's founded or not, whether we like that he's doing

465
00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,240
Speaker 2: the wells or the prosthetic legs or whatever. I really

466
00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,239
Speaker 2: know what he's up to all the time. But I

467
00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,560
Speaker 2: was just telling him when we chatted, I was like,

468
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,399
Speaker 2: you know, I really wish you well. I hope you

469
00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 2: have people to talk too, because he was kind of saying,

470
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,600
Speaker 2: I don't know why I got so spun up about

471
00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,000
Speaker 2: the list thing there for a moment. That's not my

472
00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,280
Speaker 2: actual beliefs. That's why I deleted it. And I was like,

473
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,240
Speaker 2: of course, you don't spun up about it. We work

474
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,280
Speaker 2: in an industry that's all about who's the most relevant

475
00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,000
Speaker 2: and who has the most attention at any given time.

476
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Speaker 2: And if you're not really really careful and really grounded

477
00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,800
Speaker 2: and really healthy, it's easy it gets spun up about

478
00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,920
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, so I really feel for him.

479
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,399
Speaker 2: I didn't think anything of it. I thought it was

480
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,320
Speaker 2: quite funny. It's honestly only goes me. I did. When

481
00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,919
Speaker 2: he messaged me, I was like, Hey, no worries. My

482
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,639
Speaker 2: specials out next month. If you want to share it,

483
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,520
Speaker 2: that's what people watch my special you know.

484
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, well your response, yeah, it was very It

485
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,679
Speaker 1: was very generous I think when you responded to him,

486
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Speaker 1: and kind of funny.

487
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,159
Speaker 2: That was funny.

488
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I laughed. Depending on what people say, it's like

489
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Speaker 1: I always just it's I responded in some way positive,

490
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,680
Speaker 1: something positive. Yeah, just like or make it or make

491
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Speaker 1: a joke of it, or or make light of it.

492
00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,840
Speaker 2: Or I'm thinking about the list and I'm like, it's

493
00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,240
Speaker 2: actually not a compliment to me to be called influential.

494
00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm not chasing influence. It's part of my job. I

495
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,240
Speaker 2: want to be really good at comedy. I want to

496
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,159
Speaker 2: make people laugh. I want to like hopefully do something

497
00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,000
Speaker 2: nice for like the people where I'm from. I try

498
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,399
Speaker 2: to like do things in Kansas City to make it better.

499
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,320
Speaker 2: I try to like help my friends and family when

500
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Speaker 2: I can. But, like I, influence is pretty low down

501
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,720
Speaker 2: on the list of things I'm actively trying to chase

502
00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,479
Speaker 2: in my present minded day. Maybe it's somewhere in there.

503
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,320
Speaker 2: There's certainly something wrong with me that I do this

504
00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,639
Speaker 2: for a little But I don't. I'm not like everybody

505
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,159
Speaker 2: waiting up me. Where's my influence?

506
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 1: You know? I don't think it's you know, I think

507
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,280
Speaker 1: it's to bring joy to people. You seem like a

508
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 1: person that likes to bring joy to people, you know

509
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, just whether yeah, humor or you're just

510
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,280
Speaker 1: who you are. I feel similar. Actually, it's like I

511
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 1: like to have fun. I like to make people laugh,

512
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 1: light in their day, you know what I mean. Do

513
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,640
Speaker 1: some work, hopefully the work is good. Makes you think,

514
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 1: you know. But it's like I don't care where I

515
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,480
Speaker 1: am in the in the list of things, you know

516
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,639
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just because I am lucky you

517
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 1: get to do what I love.

518
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Speaker 2: I want to be part of joy. I want to

519
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 2: It's not it's not like a selfless thing where I'm like,

520
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 2: I get on stage to make sure that nurses get

521
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 2: off their shift and have something to laugh about after.

522
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 2: You know, I want to be part of joy. It's

523
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,160
Speaker 2: it's also self serving. I want to be I want

524
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 2: to make you laugh because it makes me feel good

525
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 2: to be involved in the joy of all of us laughing.

526
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Speaker 2: It's not like a magnanimous like you know, like gift

527
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 2: that I'm trying to bestow. It's like, no, I want

528
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 2: to be part of joy. I want to be like

529
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 2: in the equation of people having a good time. And

530
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Speaker 2: that's what I like about my job.

531
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Speaker 1: Well you are you are super busy. You have a lot.

532
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 1: You have a lot. One I thought I was busy,

533
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 1: but you like put me to shame. No talk at

534
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,959
Speaker 1: You know, there are are comedians I look back on

535
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 1: and for inspiration, and you must have some that you like, go, oh,

536
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 1: this person, that person the comedy of Like, like I

537
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: when I think of Tim Conway, he's like, he's just

538
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: a Harvey Korman together on Carobernet show. I'm just like,

539
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's one of the best duos ever and

540
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 1: I can't stop laughing when I see him. Yeah, I

541
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 1: don't know who do you respond to. Do you have

542
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 1: any sort of favorites that you totally Yeah.

543
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,680
Speaker 2: It's funny you bring up Krobernet show. I just after

544
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 2: before my last tour, I just I watched a ton

545
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 2: of Carol Burnett show.

546
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Speaker 1: Great.

547
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Speaker 2: My last tour was a bit of a variety show,

548
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: and I was just watching and I was really like,

549
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 2: I hadn't watched it in a long time, and I

550
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 2: had never watched it in a way where I was

551
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,719
Speaker 2: like paying attention to be like, what was what were

552
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 2: they doing? She would do that that cast would do

553
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: like an eight minute long sketch in a single location

554
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 2: and then go from that into a ten minute long

555
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 2: tap dance routine, and go from that into five minutes

556
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 2: of her sitting and singing a song. The attention span

557
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: and like the dedication to a single bit, I was

558
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: so like enamored by it.

559
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

560
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, comedic influences, Like I said, mostly genuinely day to

561
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: day the women in my family, but from a comic standpoint,

562
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 2: different people throughout different times. Rosy O'Donnell Roseum bar back

563
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: in the day, like original Roseanne, back before everything, anybody,

564
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,479
Speaker 2: Queen Latifa, Monique Monique' Queens of Comedy Set. If anybody

565
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: is a comedy fan and hasn't seen Moniques Queens of

566
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 2: Comedy Set, it is so spectacular and so loose, and

567
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 2: so I think when I first started, have you seen it?

568
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I got to see it.

569
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: She opens it, Kyle, but she like turns, she comes

570
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: out of like a turning pyramid and walks down in

571
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: like this leather like brallette kind of look, and she's

572
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 2: real she's still real fat at the time, you know.

573
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 2: So she's like coming out real fat in the sex

574
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: of lotpit and she starts out by being like every

575
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: fat bitch in here should be standing up and applauding me,

576
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: Like she's just like giving it to the audience immediately.

577
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: And then the set is very loose, and it really

578
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 2: when I first started comedy, I was so like, oh man,

579
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: you're only a real comedian if you're very tight and

580
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: you you all the you know, which is funny because

581
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: I even growing up, my dad showed me like a

582
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 2: lot of Carlin, a lot of Richard Pryor. But yeah,

583
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: the way she just owned the stage and kept it

584
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: very conversational and very loose, it's very very good.

585
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's impressive. That's that's impressive.

586
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: Oh, Like I like I like that. I like the

587
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 2: idea I was.

588
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you, I'm going, why don't you host

589
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: a variety show? I mean think about that. You could

590
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: be like Share you have your show? Are saying, that's

591
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. People are saying, it's an art form

592
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: that we don't. I don't think it exists, right, I

593
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: mean the variety show, Yeah is it?

594
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: Who's doing it?

595
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

596
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 2: I don't know who's like.

597
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: That in that way, you know, like Sonny and share

598
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,239
Speaker 1: a show or Carob Nut show or things that I

599
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up watching and it was like

600
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: the different things and the skill set, the skills that

601
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Speaker 1: it requires, like you said, the singing, the dancing, comedy,

602
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: all of these things. I don't think. I don't know.

603
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't know who's doing it. Yeah, I mean I

604
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: I love that kind of stuff. I love like and

605
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Speaker 2: I'm I yeah, I miss like big comedy movies too,

606
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 2: Like I'm missing John Candy films, you know, like like big,

607
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 2: like funny, just like, yeah, I don't know, I don't

608
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: know who's doing stuff like that. But my last tour

609
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: was very like that, and I had a ton of fun.

610
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 2: We did like pre tape sketches. We had musicians and

611
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: drag queens. I did a little bit of stand up.

612
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: We had an interview because it was technically my podcast.

613
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, I like that stuff a lot.

614
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. So tell me about socially how

615
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: do you use socially mean promotion stuff? Because on your

616
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: site you have also there's all sorts of places you

617
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 1: can go and see different kinds of things. When I

618
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: was like, I should have this, this is what I.

619
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: Need to do with like the link things. Yes, yeah, yeah,

620
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: ye yeah, yeah, I love that. It's really helpful for

621
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Speaker 2: you know, I feel like we have to do so

622
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 2: many things. Now you have to be you have a podcast,

623
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: and you have to stand up and you if you

624
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: want to be an actor, you good luck. And you

625
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: have to be directing and you have to be and

626
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: I get excited about that on most days. But yeah,

627
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: social media. I have a very complex relationship with it's

628
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: you know, I'm very grateful for it because I don't

629
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: think I would have a career without it. It's like

630
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: been very every moment in my career. Something from social

631
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: media has really like pushed things along. Even though I

632
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 2: didn't start on the Internet. I started doing live stuff

633
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: in Chicago, and that was kind of how I wanted

634
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: to do it.

635
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: On stage, You're performing in front of the audience, yeah, which.

636
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: Is it's the best, and it's especially I would really

637
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: encourage people if there's somebody who, like, if they're a

638
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: young person, like a teenager or something that is wanting

639
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: to get into comedy and they're seeing the Internet as

640
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: the only route, I would say, totally do it. Do

641
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 2: the internet, but please develop a live skill because especially

642
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: with AI and all these things that are like kind

643
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 2: of destroying the fabric of some of like what we

644
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: love about entertainment. The one thing that can never be

645
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: taken from us is the ability to stand up in

646
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: front of a room full of people and make them

647
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: feel something.

648
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: It is the hardest thing. Like when I think of

649
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Speaker 1: stand up, I think there is no genre that is

650
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: more difficult, more challenging than stand up. Like I think

651
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm like, I mean, it's tough to

652
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: do a play, to be on stage, yeah, right, And

653
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: I've done two handers and three handers and that's tough.

654
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: But to carry a show by yourself.

655
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: See, I'm so much more scared of a play I've

656
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: never done. I've never done a play in my life.

657
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: And the idea of like especially something like Shakespearean or

658
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: something super true to the text. To me at this point,

659
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: it would be so much harder because I'm so comfortable

660
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: on stage being like, if someone drops a cup, I'm

661
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: like ready to do five, you know what I mean. Like,

662
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: it's just like I'm up there, I'm changing things on

663
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: the five. The idea of being like every word of

664
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: this has to be correct, that scares me.

665
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of a cool it's it's yeah, I understand

666
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: what you mean, but it's there's a tension in it

667
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's creative. At the same time, you

668
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: have a limit. You're limited, so you have to say, Okay,

669
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: I've got to create this world night after night after night,

670
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: and I've got to find something slightly for me. Every

671
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: night there's there's a slightly different thing that's going to happen,

672
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it doesn't matter to anybody but yourself. Really,

673
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 1: the audience isn't going to know because it's a different audience.

674
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: But it's just like to keep it alive, and there's

675
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: something about it that I really love. Like when I

676
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: first when Twitter first started, right, you got a limit, right,

677
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: It's like you got to create in this amount of time.

678
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: These are the words, these are these are the characters

679
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: that you had, And I said, Okay, I got to

680
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: come up with something. It's kind of cool. Maybe a

681
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: little more unexpected, you know what I mean. But you

682
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: have to really work.

683
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: It's like poetry.

684
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: You got to like really figure it out. That's the

685
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: way I approached it because it became more creative and

686
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: more interesting to me. And that's kind of like doing

687
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: a play. I haven't done a play for so many

688
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: years because I like to film too. I like to

689
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: just let's try it again this way, you know, let's

690
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: do this because there's something so wonderfully creative and flowing

691
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: about just letting it roll.

692
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

693
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

694
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: Social for me, like it's it's their things about it,

695
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: I think are very cool.

696
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: I think you feel a responsibility when you're posting or no.

697
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I should, maybe I should start doing that. Oh

698
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like, yeah, I do. I definitely

699
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: am aware that people like look to me for something

700
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: that they want me to I definitely had to deal

701
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 2: with a lot of my body stuff when I got

702
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: big on the internet. No pun intended, because so many

703
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: people started to message me about like, oh, your confidence

704
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: or your whatever, and I was like, oh, I do

705
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: feel that way, But I just had to be very

706
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: careful about the way I talked about my body because

707
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: a big part of my audience is like young people

708
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: who are queer or fat or you know whatever, They've

709
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: got these things about their body that they're thinking a

710
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: lot about. And I learned very quickly that part of

711
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: the reason they follow me is because they that I

712
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: just live my life happily and don't remark on that

713
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: so much, or don't remark at least negatively. Right, That

714
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: was a weird thing, but social I view it as

715
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: like it's become this thing that gives me the freedom

716
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: to behave how I want to behave. I don't have

717
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: to go and beg casting directors or writer's rooms to

718
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: hire me. That I've got this thing that makes money

719
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: and sells my tickets and keeps me around people and creating,

720
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: and then I get to just do the things I like.

721
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: I get to go do Benny's show for a couple

722
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: of days. I get to go, do you know any

723
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: movie that I'm excited about or whatever. It's kind of like,

724
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's this like thing I can do

725
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: in the background. But you have such an interesting relationship

726
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: with social media to me, because I'm like, I think

727
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people who use social media who have

728
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: the kind of career and legacy that you have use

729
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: it in a very cynical way that it's like, Okay,

730
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: my intern's making me, you know, but you really feel

731
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: so like engaged with it and actually paying attention, and

732
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: it's actually so delightful to watch. Well, of course they're

733
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: all here, and they're all actually holding weapons on me.

734
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: You better tell his socials good, he'll do it. Someone

735
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: has a bow and arrow, which I have. But you

736
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: do you enjoy it? I mean, you're so fun on you?

737
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, really do. I mean, first of all, I'm silly,

738
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I'm embracing my silliness

739
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: as I get older. And I feel like the difference,

740
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: just generational difference between when I started, you know, and

741
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: I look back on who I you know, the people

742
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: that I admired and and sort of looked to for inspiration,

743
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, Brando and Jimmy Dean and Montgomery Cliff and

744
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: all these actors. You know, it's like that generation and

745
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: then gave way to like Steve mcguan and some of

746
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: these other actors that were sort of more tough guy

747
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: and and these are I looked to these to these

748
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: actors and they were all like, oh, I can't be bothered. Yeah,

749
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, pr I'm not going out for that. No,

750
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: they're not going to see me, you know, and they're

751
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: all just tucked away. And I was like, and I

752
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so that's how you have to be.

753
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a to the press. It

754
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: was sort of a a love hate you know, it's like, ah,

755
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: got do this. And then after a while I said, well,

756
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really feel that way. I actually

757
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: really enjoy engaging. I like going on smiling, talking to

758
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: people I like, and you know, I like, I don't

759
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: want to have to censor myself in any way, you

760
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and be trying to be kind

761
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: of cool. I said, just be yourself God's sake, and

762
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: for me, social has allowed me to just be like,

763
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: you know what, we're letting it all hang out. And

764
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: the greatest thing about it is. This generation feels to

765
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: me like, yeah, we want that, we want we want

766
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: the authentic you. And I'm like, all right, you're happy

767
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: with that. I don't care my hair is crazy. I

768
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: don't care what it is what it is except me

769
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: for you know how you see me, And I'm like,

770
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: I think that is so freeing.

771
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: You know, do you think that you spent any time

772
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: in your life like I think about this a lot,

773
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: like who's mysterious and who's not. I'm decidedly not. Everyone

774
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: knows everything about me and I have artist friends, especially

775
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: musician friends, who are mysterious and they have no one

776
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: knows anything about them. And I'm like God, and I

777
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: feel myself sometimes wanting to chase it. Did you ever

778
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: chase like mysterious?

779
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: Yes? Tried, yeah, But the problem was I wasn't I

780
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: wasn't cool enough, and everyone just.

781
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: Forgot about me too.

782
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: We didn't even know you were not there, We didn't

783
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: think I was.

784
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: I was in the corner of being mysterious and I said,

785
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: we didn't see you, and they're like, okay.

786
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm much more comfortable doing this, And honestly,

787
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: it was the way I was, you know before you

788
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: know any better when you're in junior high in high school,

789
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: I just was very silly and then you sort of

790
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: get like, Okay, I'm an actor, you know, so I

791
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: got serious and then all it goes goes away. Yeah,

792
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: And for me, that's been social has been that and

793
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: and you know, some of the TikTok stuff and the

794
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Instagram stuff has been just fun and silly, and you know,

795
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: I enjoy it because it really suits you know, who

796
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: I am really at art, Yeah, which I love.

797
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: I mean you seem genuinely to me interested and invested in,

798
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: like what is going on on there?

799
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: And this is the journey of my podcast, Yeah, helping

800
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: me to understand to discuss what's happening, you know, what

801
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: that what's the creative what are the creative waves that

802
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: are coming into the shore right now, because they're different,

803
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: we're older, we're past now, we have our own sort

804
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: of thing. But what's the new stuff, you know, and

805
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: where and where is that? Where is that going? I'm

806
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: very curious about that.

807
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: So I really hope it's going towards I'm you know,

808
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm thirty, and I really hope that. I think my

809
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: fans are predominantly in their twenties and thirties. I would really, really,

810
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: really love for more people to just get out and

811
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: see something. The phones are there, like where the phones

812
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: are here all the time, we've got the option we

813
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: can always look on and see somebody doing something. There's

814
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: way too much to see on there. It's awesome, it's cool.

815
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: I would just love for people to go and see stuff.

816
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: Go see a movie in theaters, go see a play,

817
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: go see a stand up show, a concert, like really.

818
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: Just go. Yeah. I feel like I agree with you

819
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: because I feel like the emotional experience that you will

820
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: have in that situation, whether it's a live show or

821
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: as you said, like it's a film in a large

822
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: theater where that's over you know, it's overwhelming, is a

823
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: different experience that is worthwhile. You certainly have an experience

824
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: here and watching TV at at home, but weah, that's fine.

825
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: But there's a sense of immersion that I think we

826
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: miss from this little screen that you get from a

827
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: live show where you completely lose yourself for a period

828
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: of time in what's happening, and I think that's really important, and.

829
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: Being in it with other people and are particularly strangers.

830
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of anti social behavior in

831
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: like there's so many rules now that people are trying

832
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 2: to like carry out on each other. That's like, I'm

833
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: not gonna go to the theater because I might hear

834
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: someone talking. It's like, of course you will. Yeah, that's fabulous,

835
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like that's the point of

836
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: watching a movie with strangers. Yeah, they shouldn't talk through

837
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: the whole thing, you know, but also if they do,

838
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: it's a funny story, you know what I mean. I

839
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: just think like more being around strangers, being inconvenienced by

840
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: strangers connecting with other people. Because also if you do

841
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: hear someone talking through the whole movie, there's gonna be

842
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: like two other people in your world. They're like oh

843
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: you know yeah, and you're gonna be like thank you,

844
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like that connection, I.

845
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: Think something very cool, something real, is going to happen.

846
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

847
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: Well, maybe that's why you like New York so much,

848
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: because in New York, really you're engaged. Yeah, you're on

849
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: the street, you're engaged. Yeah, you know what I mean.

850
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: So it's supposed to Los Angeles. So anyway, Okay, I

851
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: want to hear quickly about well not quickly, little brother. Yeah,

852
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: and Trash Mountain. Yeah, can you talk about any of

853
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: those or is it too early?

854
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: Don't I'm sure I can. And if they don't like it,

855
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: well they shouldn't have hired me. No little brother, Yeah,

856
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: so so fun. Matt Spicer, director is directing. They're still

857
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: making it. What Jared Paul and Andy mogule I always

858
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: get their names mixed up. I want to do their

859
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: last names different because they're writing. But they actually directed

860
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: a pilot I did for TBS years ago that didn't go.

861
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: And John Cena's in a Eric Andre Chris Moloniego wodam

862
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: Erry color. So funny. It's a great cast. Everyone's so

863
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: nice and it's a big dumb ensemble comedy that I

864
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: got to be a part of. And I got to

865
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: play a kind of psycho guy like a rally reality

866
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: TV producer. I think I can say but that was

867
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: really fun. I just finished that one. And Trash Mountain. Yeah,

868
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: Lily with Chowski producing, College Fara producing, depending on when

869
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: we get made. Chris Ray right now is set to direct.

870
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: Lily was in that role, but we lost a window,

871
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: you know how it goes. But yeah, it's a movie

872
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: I wrote immediately after my dad passed away unexpectedly. He

873
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: was a hoarder, and I had to go home and

874
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: deal with that in his passing at the same time.

875
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: So it's a laugh riot the movie. But yeah, it's

876
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: about my experience with my dad passing and me going

877
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: home for that. Okay, but comedy, like it's like the

878
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: way that my Yeah, it's like it's like an indie drama,

879
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: but it's it's very much rooted in, like my family's

880
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: whole deal of Like I'm telling you, my dad passed.

881
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: I got the news. I was with my family. I'd

882
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: happened to be in Missouri at the time. I wasn't

883
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: living there. I was in Kin City for a concert.

884
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: I was home within an hour, within an hour and

885
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. We were laughing, you know what I mean,

886
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: Like we're just dark comedy like people who laugh at

887
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Yeah, and so it's kind of like that.

888
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so do you so I wonder because I want

889
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: to put the same thing for me. So both my

890
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: parents have gone, but when I get together with my brothers,

891
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: they're very much alive, and we laugh a lot about them.

892
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: And it's in a way it were keeping them around us,

893
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: keeping them alive by remembering the funny moments and enjoying

894
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: the funny moments that we had with them. Yeah, I

895
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: don't know if it's if it was like that or

896
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: if it was.

897
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 2: It feels like totally it's like what my dad would

898
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: have wanted. And like also, there's just so many funny moments.

899
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: We had to go to the funeral home and there

900
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: was just the funeral director was so hilarious, like this

901
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: good old boy, like in the middle of nowhere Missouri,

902
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 2: and he was telling my grandma was a mass of course,

903
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: and he was telling us. We're all sitting in this tiny,

904
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: little like rural Missouri funeral home director's office. He's like, well,

905
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna cremate him. And they got this

906
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: new thing now where you can put their ashes into

907
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: a piece of art and hang it in your house.

908
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: And my grandma, my grandma just goes no, and we

909
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: all go what and she goes no art no, and

910
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: we were like, okay, girl, like it just things like

911
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: that where it's like that that guttural no and then

912
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: having to say no art was just like I know

913
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: what she meant. She thinks it's like disrespectful whatever, but

914
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: just a million things like that where you're like, this

915
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: could not have been. When someone dies, you have to

916
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: get like eight death certificates to prove that they're dead.

917
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's a body, you know what I mean.

918
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 2: There's just so many things, so funny, so funny.

919
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: And you were there observing because I think you're I'm

920
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: watching her, I'm paying hey, yeah, yeah, and you're like

921
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: making notes, making notes because I'm a similar way. I

922
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: watch and then I'm like, I remember that and I'll

923
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: use it for like that's a really good idea for

924
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: like something, Yeah, in the future.

925
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: This is a great thing about being an artist, though,

926
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: Don't you think It's like when I have a good day,

927
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: it's awesome because I had a good day. When I

928
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: have a bad day, it's awesome because I got material. Yeah,

929
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, this is great. My dad died.

930
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: That really sucks. But she was still alive. But we're

931
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: going to get something out.

932
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah, it keeps them alive.

933
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: We'll see when we get it made. We're still you know,

934
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: we're doing the we're doing the dance between everybody's schedules

935
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: and the funding. But I imagine that we'll make it

936
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: in the next like half a year's I hope.

937
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: So it sounds like I really understand and we'll learn

938
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: more about you and learn about the family and you're

939
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: where you come from, and I think that's that's wonderful. Yeah,

940
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: all right, So when we come back, we're gonna play

941
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: a little game. You have said, if you've got a

942
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: comedian on set and you don't let them improvise, you

943
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: are missing out. So we heard you, we heard you,

944
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: and we're going to honor you as calibrities. Calibrities. I'm

945
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: an actor. I'm an actor who prepares. Okay, we decided

946
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: to create a spin off of your truth and false segments.

947
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: So over it's so true. So we're going to play

948
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: truth or elaborate. Okay when we come back. We'll do

949
00:36:54,280 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: a little more explanation when we get back, so stay tuned. Okay,

950
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do. We're gonna switch off, giving

951
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: each other scenarios from each other's past. Right, So some

952
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: are true, some are not true. I will have fifteen

953
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: seconds to rant about the scenario to try to convince

954
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: each other, yeah, one of us that that is true. Yes,

955
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: And if it is true, then you get a little

956
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: thumbs up and if you don't believe it, thumbs down.

957
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: Okay, got it, that's good. You want to go. You

958
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: want to read one first? Oka read?

959
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I can't wait.

960
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: I love the build up.

961
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: Your mother once took your PlayStation away from you, and

962
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: you told your school administrators you were unsafe at home.

963
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well yeah, So basically I had a PlayStation

964
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: and my mom wanted to take it away for punishment.

965
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: Then I went to school and I said, well, I'm

966
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: being abused, you know, because she took my PlayStation and

967
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: that's not right and that's abuse.

968
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's all you got. Okay, I think that

969
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: I think that this is true.

970
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: Really tried, Yeah, you got it. I really tried to

971
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: play it in either way. Okay, okay, are you ready

972
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 2: for yours?

973
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: I'm ready? I'm ready.

974
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 2: Okay. Actress Francis stern Hagen, who played your mother Bunny

975
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: and Sex and the City, was actually your aunt in

976
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: real life.

977
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: It was a weird thing because we learned about.

978
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: Would I get it ready? I gave it away, like,

979
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: let's go. I couldn't contain.

980
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: They didn't tell me these, So that's that's that's a

981
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: real did.

982
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: You research mine. Do you know these about me? Or

983
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 2: did you do research?

984
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: I did know the first one, okay, okay, but only

985
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: because I did a deep I did a deep dive.

986
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: I say, okay, you got a perfect score on the

987
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: math section of your SAT.

988
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: So people don't believe this, which is offensive, but I

989
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 2: did because I I really got had a math teacher

990
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: that actually really liked in high school, missus Limbaugh, and

991
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: she was actually so nice to me in math class,

992
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: even though I was kind of a problem. I was

993
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: always like yapping, but I actually really took to math

994
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 2: because of it.

995
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: Ah.

996
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you very convincing. In fact, it's not true,

997
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: but come on, come on.

998
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought of when I was thinking of the name,

999
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: I love the miss that was so funny. That's convinced me.

1000
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: He went with a name. I was like, whoa, I said, okay,

1001
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: but I didn't think of rush Limba. Can you imagine

1002
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: Russia a teacher looking like RUSSI female teacher looking like

1003
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: rush Limbaugh.

1004
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: If they exist, they're somewhere near my school district. Okay,

1005
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: you're ready, I'm ready. Okay, Okay. Over the past fifteen years,

1006
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: you've become an expert in beer crafting and fermentation.

1007
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I grew up in Yakima, Washington. I don't know

1008
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: if you know, but Yakima is the hop capital of

1009
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: the world, and there's all sorts of different beers that

1010
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 1: come out of there. Hops are grown there. In fact,

1011
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I worked in the

1012
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: hop field. I harvested hops, which is a very strange

1013
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: process where you have to ride like a ladder and

1014
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: the hops grow up a chain. Do you know?

1015
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: I thought maybe because of the wine, and you did

1016
00:39:59,280 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: so good?

1017
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: Was good? I tried to contutral because I know the

1018
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: other one. I gave it away immediately.

1019
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: I worked hops in high school. I mean the hell yeah.

1020
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: But in fact it's a little bit of truth. I

1021
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: didn't work hops, but I had friends that were hops,

1022
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: and Moxi the hop capital, and I know exactly how

1023
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: they grow and how you harvest them, and so yeah.

1024
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: Is Yakima are the hops capital of the world.

1025
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: Right real close. I think Mack's near Yakama, because I.

1026
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: Want you to know. That is what convinced me when

1027
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: you said Yakima is the hops. You said that was

1028
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: such a clarity and sincerity. I was like, that part's true.

1029
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: So the rest of its tracking. That was the one

1030
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: that got me. If you ever need to tell this

1031
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: lie against.

1032
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to go Yakama hop capital in the world,

1033
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: whether it's true or not.

1034
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, this is good. Okay.

1035
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: On the set of Overcompensating, you spilled your entire drink

1036
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: on Mary Beth and the entire production was delayed six

1037
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: hours until wardrobe could get a new outfit from Mary Beth.

1038
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: And I know Marybeth.

1039
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: She's very picky. She is, and she wears these delicate

1040
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: little sweaters and like little blouses and stuff in that show.

1041
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: And she and I were enemies. You weren't there on

1042
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: the day that I was.

1043
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: Was not.

1044
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: She and I were enemies, and my big enemy scene

1045
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: with her got cut. But basically I improvised the thing where

1046
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: I was going to like pretend to throw a drink

1047
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: at her, and I did actually throw my drink at Oh.

1048
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so well done.

1049
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yes, it's not true, but we were enemies

1050
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: and they did cut. I was so sad, Bennie, You're

1051
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: on my shit list, brother. They I had such a

1052
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: funny scene with Mary Beth.

1053
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: Why they cut it?

1054
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: They had, I'm sure for time because it was Charlie's episode.

1055
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: They had so much going on, but it's got bumped by.

1056
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: Demanding come on, that's funny. We're friends, so it's okay.

1057
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: But what I love about that is it's always good

1058
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: to sprinkle in a little bit of truth.

1059
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that's how you. Yeah, yeah, you sprinkling some truth.

1060
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: You and me two liars, we know how to really lie. Okay,

1061
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: you're ready, I'm ready. Okay. When you got the script

1062
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: of the Blue Velvet from David Lynch, you showed it

1063
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: to your mother, who begged you not to take the part.

1064
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: Well, actually I did. It was my second, my second

1065
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: screenplay that I ever read. David gave it to me

1066
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: while we were filming Dune, and at that time my

1067
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: family was really involved, and I sent it to my

1068
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: mom and I sent it to my dad as well.

1069
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: My dad read it and he said, find no problem

1070
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: my mom. But she didn't respond. So she her husband

1071
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: actually reached out to me and said because my mom

1072
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: was she had cancer at the time, and I said, well,

1073
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything that's gonna make her upset.

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Speaker 1: And I showed it to her and she said, she said,

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Speaker 1: she didn't say she didn't mand it.

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Speaker 2: But she said, I'd rather you not.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather you're not. So was it true.

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Speaker 2: Bringing up the cancer? Really cancer?

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Speaker 1: I thought maybe I was going too far with that.

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Speaker 1: I said, I think I've got him on the hook.

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Speaker 1: The cancer is going to set the hook or he's

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Speaker 1: going to spit.

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Speaker 2: It out bringing up the cancer and you spit it out.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I said, I did you Well, I I

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Speaker 1: got one.

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Speaker 2: No, I got one.

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Speaker 1: He got two. You got one, you got to, I

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Speaker 1: got I got to.

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Speaker 2: I think well for having experienced it, Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 1: And you get to keep this sign it for me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: of course that's memorabilia. I'm gonna sell that for big

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Speaker 1: money that you're gonna you're gonna be I mean you

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Speaker 1: could retire on that. Okay. So anyway, that's that's all

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Speaker 1: the time that we have. I mean, we have more

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Speaker 1: time in the day, but that's all the time that

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Speaker 1: we have. Did we figure did we figure out? What

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Speaker 1: are we even doing? I guess we've made a good attempt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I think we're having fun. Yes, and I

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Speaker 2: think we're hanging out making wine.

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Speaker 1: Yes, et cetera. Yeah. Yeah, and there'll be wine for

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Speaker 1: you after the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what a great pleasure. Really enjoyed it. Thanks a

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Speaker 1: big fan of yours, big fan of yours.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, It's so mutual. Thank you. Everybody Apreciate you day.

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Speaker 1: What Are We Even Doing is a production of iHeartMedia

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