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Speaker 1: We are here. We have seen the finale. We saw

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Speaker 1: but Clayton's season has officially come to an end. Becca,

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Speaker 1: You and I I know have so much to say,

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Speaker 1: so much to talk about this episode, and we also

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Speaker 1: we will have clean on here very shortly. And if

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Speaker 1: is back with Susie, which was interesting for Serena and

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Speaker 1: want to time stamp us a little bit. We are

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Speaker 1: recording prior to the live finale. The last thing we

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Speaker 1: once we bring Clayton and Susie on, we might be

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Speaker 1: Rachel yeah, our recap right now. I mean, you should

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Speaker 1: I think I could have done so many things differently,

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Speaker 1: been like, like, why are you freaking out right now?

432
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: Because I was so caught off guard and now we

433
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: understand like where his mind was that like he kind

434
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: of thought like, oh, did you just play me to

435
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: get to this point? And in that moment, I was like, wait,

436
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: why are you why are you freaking out? Because but

437
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: I didn't ask that. I was just like trying to

438
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 1: explain like this isn't you know, this isn't fake, this

439
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: isn't fake. But instead of like asking more questions to

440
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of what was going through his mind,

441
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: we just were like both in this like panic mode

442
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 1: where we were like I was like, and now I'm

443
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: freaked out, You're freaked out? Like we were just going

444
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: back and forth of like the panic. I think we

445
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: both were just totally blindsided by each other. And yeah,

446
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: I would have asked more questions and I would have

447
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: just been more direct and I would have communicated better overall. Yeah, yeah,

448
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: very similar for me. I wish that I would have.

449
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is obviously I regret the

450
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: way I handled it when I became frustrated and raised

451
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: my voice. I you know, would have it would have

452
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: been great if I could have just taken twenty minutes

453
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: and stepped aside and like taken a breather. It was,

454
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, my head was racing, and I did have

455
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: these dark thoughts halfway through the interview of you know,

456
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: she's here maybe to be the next batch Rette, and

457
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 1: this was everything that I had happened previously with some

458
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 1: of the other women kind of coming and being exposed

459
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: for playing a game, and so I just I let

460
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: those thoughts creep in. And then that was at that

461
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: point when we were I was outside talking to Jesse

462
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: and she came and talked to me. That was when

463
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: my head started transition and you could see it in

464
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: my face where She's like, you want to go back

465
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: inside and talk and I said, sure, yeah, I want

466
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say. But I got

467
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: into a bad headspace at that point, and then from there,

468
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean again, people saw my actions, and I do

469
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: regret the way that I handled that. I just was,

470
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: I was in disbelief and yeah, and I was trying

471
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: to make sense of what it was and I couldn't

472
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: see her perspective, and I do see it now, but

473
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: I think I kind of got into this mindset in

474
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: that environment where I made assumptions. And that was one

475
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: of my other biggest regrets is I assumed that all

476
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: of the women kind of expected me to potentially be intimate,

477
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: potentially fall in love with multi women. And it's crazy

478
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: to even say that I think that that would be

479
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: an assumption, but I thought, in this world, in this environment,

480
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of a known, like, we know what the

481
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: Sweek's about. And that was wrong. And as everyone saw

482
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: as I brought it up to the other women, all

483
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: of them are very frustrated and upset. And that was

484
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: a big, big moment for me when I realized, you

485
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: made assumptions and because of that, you couldn't have been

486
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: more off, and now you have to deal with your

487
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: actions that you assumed everybody was on the same page,

488
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: with which nobody was. I mean I Serena and I

489
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: talked about this on the podcast last week a little

490
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: bit because we were obviously recapping your last day, that

491
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: last sight together. The fantasy suites were prior to that,

492
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: and I was trying to see both sides. And I

493
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: will say, like Serena and I got a lot of

494
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: criticism because I feel like people think it's so black

495
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: and white, like people wanted to be either team Susie

496
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: or Team Clayton, and that's not always the case, right,

497
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: Like we are trying to look at your relationships and

498
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: your season as a whole objectively, and so you know,

499
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: me being both on the Bad Short and as Bad SHORTT,

500
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: I could see both of your points of view. I

501
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: could see both sides of being broken up with and

502
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: being the one to break up with somebody. And it's

503
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: a lot, and there's so much scrutiny that goes into

504
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: especially for you, Cleyton, every single action decision you make,

505
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: like it is heightened because you have millions of people

506
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: watching you and dating MTV is always hard. We I'm

507
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: sure you guys are experiencing that now, and to be

508
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: quite honest, it's probably gonna be hard for a while. Unfortunately.

509
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: It's great that you two have each other and are

510
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: happy now, but it will be tough. And so how

511
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: do you think moving forward you two are going to

512
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: be able to support each other in the public eye

513
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: and dealing with all of that scrutiny and people's comments

514
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: and criticism. I think, yeah, I think we're both. I

515
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: think the only the only comments they see that I

516
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: agree with are the ones that say, Clayton, you know,

517
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: had every right to explore these relationships, and Susie had

518
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: every right to, you know, walk away, and like people

519
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: who are respecting most sides, isn't the only ones where

520
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's like spot on, and that's how we feel.

521
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: We both felt that we we both were valid and

522
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: we don't like it's really hard right now to see

523
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: every buddy basically taking sides because we're like, they don't

524
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: know we're together. So people are taking side and they're

525
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: splitting and they're being divisive and they're like claiming these

526
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: absolutes and we are. We were four months past it,

527
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: and we're together and we both see each other's perspective,

528
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: and we both have given each other grace where we

529
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: need where we've needed to, and so I think, yeah,

530
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: I just I mean for me, I'm like anyone that

531
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: supports me like just no, like I'm I am, I

532
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: would say, pretty picky. I think we're both pretty picky

533
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: people when it comes to dating, Like we've we have

534
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: high standards, and I would not be dating Clayton if

535
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: he were a bad person or if he were you know,

536
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: disrespectful when we had arguments, like I wouldn't stick around

537
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: for that. I left him in Iceland, like I wasn't

538
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: afraid to say no, I don't want to be in

539
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: this relationship because I didn't know if it was good

540
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: for me. But it is good for me, and so

541
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: I guess for me, I just want to ask anybody

542
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: that is supporting me right now, just know that, like

543
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm making this choice and it's best for me, so

544
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: please support us together and support Clayton as well. Yeah.

545
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, really well, said I at

546
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: the end of it. I mean, again, I've faced a

547
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: ton of heat just from the start, just for even

548
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: accepting the role, and so it's I've kind of just

549
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: been used to this, and I hope that through us

550
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: being together, this doesn't bring a lot of heat on her.

551
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: You know, I do expect there to be some blowback

552
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: because people are going to be frustrated that she took

553
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: somebody back like me. But the fact of the matter

554
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: is is that again, those people making those comments and

555
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: assumptions don't know who I am. She does, my loved

556
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: ones do. Her loved ones do like and they are

557
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: very much supportive of us as as a team. And

558
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: so that's what I think I keep telling myself, and

559
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: that's what we keep talking about, is at the end

560
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: of it at all, if you're not if you're not

561
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: supporting us as a team, if you're not supporting us,

562
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: we're happy. Our loved ones are all supportive. They see

563
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: both sides. As everyone saw. My family was like, yeah, dude,

564
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: you totally messed up. So I again, just having them

565
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: come in and say that just to hit it hit

566
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: me because I really didn't have anybody to turn to

567
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: until that point and had my parents straight up it's

568
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: be like, dude, you screwed up. And it was the

569
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: best thing that could have happened for them to come

570
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: in at that point and say that, because That's when

571
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: it smacked me in the face. I was like, this

572
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: is why I have you in my life, because you,

573
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: as my family, will tell me how it is and

574
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: you guys hold me accountable. And they did, and so

575
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, going forward though, again they're very supportive, they're

576
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: very happy for the both of us, and we're going

577
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: to face criticism. You can't keep everyone happy. I've clearly

578
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: learned that this entire way, and so we won't be

579
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: able to. But I do believe people will see that

580
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: what we have is authentic and that will, you know,

581
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: have people start to cheer for us both and the

582
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: more that they get to see of our relationship. But

583
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: whatever we decide to show, people will see that this

584
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: is not something that was just built in two months.

585
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: But we've had four months since the show, so you're

586
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: talking about a half year of dating, and now we

587
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: get to go outside of here and date in the

588
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: real world and hope, you know, I mean it moving

589
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: in the other and given that a fair shot here soon,

590
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: so moving in and starting that chapter, so like really

591
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: kind of picking things up and saying like, all right,

592
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: let's see if we can you know, if we live together.

593
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: That's the next step let's see how this goes, and

594
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: there's no talent. We both know that relationships require work,

595
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, we know this

596
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: is the next best step for us to see if

597
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: this is actually something that'll be long term. Yeah, that's

598
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: so exciting. And you know what, Clayton, I did not

599
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: mean to giggle, but it almost is humorous when you said,

600
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: I've been getting criticism just for accepting the role as bachelor,

601
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: like right from the beginning, and it really is mind

602
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: boggling to the extent. I mean, look, you've made mistakes.

603
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: Every lead has made mistakes. I do feel like you

604
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: have gotten an extreme amount of criticism this season, and

605
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: it is sad to see people take sides and teams

606
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: and not just be like, you know, everyone's entitled to

607
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 1: their opinion about the show and like analyzing it, but like,

608
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: you guys are together, like you are a team together,

609
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Like it's not Clayton or Susie, Like it is Clayton

610
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: and Susie now. And I'm for the world to be

611
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: able to see that and you guys to be able

612
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: to openly share that and support one another, because at

613
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like all it comes down

614
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: to is your happiness and what is the right decision

615
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: for you? So I think people being able to see

616
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: you guys together and like see the love you have

617
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: will hopefully ease it up because obviously, like we've all

618
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: been there, we've all gotten hate and it's just never

619
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: an easy thing to go through. But I want to

620
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: touch on your family because obviously we saw Susy go

621
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: in for the firm handshake when she met them, just

622
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: a nice little throwback to her entrance. Yes, Hello, did

623
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: so much the first Alema, you firm handshaked me as well. Yeah,

624
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: that's what I was laughing. I was like susing back

625
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: at it again. And she's consistent. She is consistent. That's embarrassing. No,

626
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: it was great. Um, so can you tell us, you know,

627
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: have you met each other's families? How has that gone?

628
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Clayton, was your family shocked? Yeah, so we've

629
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: both met well, obviously I went to her hometown, so

630
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: I met her family in person. We've allso since talked

631
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: on Zoom and vice versa. She's met my technolque, she's

632
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: met my family as well on the show and then

633
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: and then we've talked on Zoom as well. And yeah,

634
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: my family was absolutely shocked. I can't remember. I think

635
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: I withheld it from my mom for a little while

636
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: because my mom, I love her to death, but I

637
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: can't tell her. I tell her to keep a secret.

638
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: That thing is out of her mouth next twenty minutes.

639
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: So now she's gotten a lot better with that. But

640
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: I think I held back a little bit also because

641
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: when she first reached out, I didn't want to jinksid.

642
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: I didn't want to like go tell everybody and get

643
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: everyone's help steps just like and get including my own,

644
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: just to be like, oh wait. After a week of talking,

645
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: we realized we don't want to continue this, so I

646
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of kept tight lips about it. Talked to my

647
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: brothers and told them, and they were like all right,

648
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, they were like that's really great. We're happy

649
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: for you, but just be careful and and so I

650
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: mean because again like they knew that how how shadowed

651
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: I was, or you know, from like the whole experience,

652
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: and how they're like, okay, really you've kind of you

653
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: kind of had your closure when she left you, and

654
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: now you're about to open the wound back up. So

655
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: it really they were just at that point like, all right,

656
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: we'll see where this goes, because they were as shocked

657
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: as I was to see her reach out. But now,

658
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: of course, I mean we've been on so many zooms,

659
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: were like face times with them and just you know,

660
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: it's like we're all hanging out virtually, and they're all

661
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: excited to meet her in person. So everyone's pumped at

662
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah. Good, Well, I'm excited to see all

663
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: of that unfold. I want to ask you, and I

664
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: want to take it back a little bit, dude, I

665
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: have so many questions. I want to be all over

666
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: the place just to warn you, but I'm trying to

667
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: put myself back in your position because I feel like

668
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: how you two ended things kind of reminds me of

669
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: how I ended things with Thomas. Like we left the

670
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: Beaches of Paradise broken up, and then I, like you,

671
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Susie went back, you know, reached out to Thomas to

672
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: see you know, like, could this work like just testing

673
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: the waters if you will, like not putting any pressure

674
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: on the relationship. Do you feel like how things ended

675
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: in Iceland with the breakup. Obviously you weren't engaged, so

676
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: you didn't have the pressure of the ring and the engagement,

677
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: like in the back of your mind. Do you think

678
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: that helped kind of restart your relationship and make you

679
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: stronger because that pressure was off. Yeah. I actually I

680
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: didn't know you guys left the beach together. I think

681
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: it was I think Paradise was ending when we were

682
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: filming stuff, so I didn't know that. But that's really cool.

683
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: I felt. Yeah, I felt like I had to take

684
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: a step away because I was afraid of accepting that

685
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: rose and then being like, there's going to be pressure.

686
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to put pressure on myself to stay with

687
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: Flat not necessarily the show or the fans or anything,

688
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: but I know myself, and if I accepted that rose

689
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: in Iceland, I would be I would be like there,

690
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: I just knew I was going to have pressure to

691
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: stay with Clayton through you know, afar and whatever. Like,

692
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: I just I know myself, and I was like, the

693
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: only way I can protect myself and honestly our relationship

694
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: now is to step away and and do what I

695
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: have to do. We had to heal from things that

696
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: happened in Iceland. We had to take time to like

697
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: move past things, and Yeah, I think the lack of

698
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: pressure that I was going to put on myself or

699
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: that anybody from anywhere I was going to put on me. Yeah,

700
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: I felt I felt like I had to do that.

701
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: And I do think I feel really confident in where

702
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: we're at today and that we're here because we both

703
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: want to be here, not because you know, we're waiting

704
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: for the show or something like that. Like I just

705
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: I know myself, and I was like, this is the

706
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: way I have to protect myself in this. And yeah,

707
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: there wasn't pressure, Like we didn't put pressure on ourselves

708
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: in this first few weeks of talking to even meet up.

709
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: We just kind of we just talked until we Yeah,

710
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't keep our eyes open every night, and that

711
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: was like what we laid the foundation for our relationship

712
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: and the trip just yeah that I needed it. I

713
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: had to listen. I get it. I was the same way.

714
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: It's like, in a way, you want to protect yourself, right,

715
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: but if you're giving the relationship you're all you have

716
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: to at some point be like, Okay, we're either going

717
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: to do this or not. But at least you know

718
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: that whether it worked out or not, you would still

719
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: have that friendship. It's not like you had to go

720
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: into dating right away and have like the show be like,

721
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: are you together? Are you together? What's going on? And

722
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: so I think it's honestly, I totally understand, and it's

723
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: for me and Thomas. It was the perfect way to

724
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: really jumpstart our relationship. Yeah. I remember facetiming back at

725
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: Joe and I were FaceTime backa like a week after

726
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: Paradise and She's like, guess what, guys, I'm going on

727
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: a date with Thomas today. But hey, go ahead, No, no,

728
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: keep going, keep going. No. I was just gonna say,

729
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: like it worked out for them, it was clearly working

730
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: out for you guys. Everyone has their own path in

731
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: this journey. And my question was going to be and

732
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: I was trying to find like a natural segue for this,

733
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: but it's just not coming to mind. Is there anything

734
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: watching it back that you guys were surprised about? Whether

735
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: it was about like an interview moment or like watching

736
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: a relationship, because like, I feel like there were so

737
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: many moments that you guys had together, but then also

738
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: where you were like separated, like Susie watching with his family.

739
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: Like what surprised you the most watching it back? What

740
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: do you think if we're just talking about us towards

741
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: the end, there as far as just how it all unfolded,

742
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: really something that surprised me, but it was good for

743
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: me to see because again, it taught me more or

744
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: less life lessons. Was I remember thinking when we had

745
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: our breakup, I remember going stepping aside when she when

746
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: we took a moment and separated before we went outside

747
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: and we came back together. But I remember thinking after

748
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: that night, like, wow, she was so cold, like she

749
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: didn't even try, she didn't feel, she didn't she didn't

750
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: care at all, Like she just seemingly was like ready

751
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: to dip, Like she came in, set her piece and

752
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: then bounced. And that was the way that I remembered it.

753
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: And as I watched the show back, it was the

754
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: farthest thing from that. She was, you know, crushed, she

755
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: was crying, she was struggling. Certainly some of the stuff

756
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: was off camera that I didn't see, but even when

757
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: she was speaking to me watching it back, I realized, like,

758
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she actually really was bothered by this

759
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: and it was hurt and was trying to make sense

760
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: of it, and it just went. It just went to

761
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: show me that I had become I got so deep

762
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: in that environment that I couldn't even see the emotions

763
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: from her face because I was so shocked that she

764
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: was shocked at what I had told her that I

765
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: was just I couldn't see her side of it, and

766
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: I and so much so that I couldn't even I

767
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: remembered her having different emotions than what she did, and

768
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: it was a shock, But it was something that I

769
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: really had realized that I'm like, when you allow motion

770
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: to creep in instead of a rationale and are allowing

771
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: that to be the basis of your decisions, that can

772
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: cause you to even see people in a different light

773
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: as far as how they're expressing themselves. And that was

774
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: a big life lesson for me to realize that I

775
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: need to make sure in those moments wherever I do

776
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: get emotional, then I do step away take time, because

777
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: if I can't even read someone at that point and

778
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: there are true emotions, then I'm in no place to

779
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: be able to have a productive conversation. Well said I clean,

780
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: And this is something that I wish everyone could recognize

781
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: and appreciate about you is I mean, listen, we've all

782
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: made mistakes. No one in your position has done it

783
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: the right way. It's it's really just learned as you go,

784
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: and for as much criticism as you've received, you've also

785
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: been I would say, one of the most self aware

786
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: bachelors that we've had. That you know where you make

787
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: your mistakes, you know where you would have done things differently,

788
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: and you fall on your sword, and you recognize that

789
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: and hold yourself accountable, which I really appreciate. I feel

790
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: like it's very tough, especially for someone like me who's

791
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: ry subburn, that's very tough to do all the time.

792
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: And so I do appreciate that from you, is you

793
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: call yourself out, you hold yourself accountable, and I think

794
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: that's so important. Yeah. I think what people see why

795
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: is because it's specially because my parents. I mean they're

796
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: incredible parents, but you people saw it my dad's nobs.

797
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: That's that's the way he raised me. And so, uh,

798
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, take accountability when you need to, and just

799
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: accept the fact that you're not perfect. That's something that

800
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: is again my dad always instilled me was, uh, you know, no,

801
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: don't make these excuses just when you when you screw up,

802
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: learn from it. And uh again, this blunt accountability, I

803
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: think I should show people why I can just sit

804
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: here and say you know what, Yeah, I can take

805
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: this responsibility because that's all growing up, my dad was like, no,

806
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: no time for excuses, like, you own it. You're a man,

807
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: be a man. So I have nothing to think with

808
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: my parents for that. They certainly did an incredible job

809
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: raising me and my two boss best they could. Yeah. Yeah,

810
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: I think accountability is definitely a lot harder than people

811
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: give credit for. And I know that your mom specifically

812
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: was having a lot of difficulty hearing all the credit

813
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: ism that was thrown your way, and I know that

814
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: never gets any easier. But your parents are about get

815
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: of definitely met a lot a lot. I will say

816
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: that they should. I mean, I just it's again, it's like,

817
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: that's my dad's hilarious, his little catchphrases or whatever you

818
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: want to call him. I I just it just cracks

819
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: me up because he'd always say things like that growing

820
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: up Jamie and Christmas. He'd say all these different things,

821
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: and I remember, like from my childhood, and uh, but yeah,

822
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: I mean that's they're real. My parents are real. They're

823
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: not there's no nothing scripted about either of them, and

824
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: they both um, you know, I saw when they showed up.

825
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: I realized I could just see it in their face.

826
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well, this perspective that you couldn't see, Uh,

827
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear to people that you love and trust

828
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: can't see your side of it, so you should probably

829
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: reevaluate how you've you know, going forward at this point.

830
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, they deserve all the love because listen,

831
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: they've had a hard enough time raising three three boys

832
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: all my worst nightmare, three boys. I'm paying for a

833
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: lot of people in that household. Okay, speaking of criticism,

834
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: and I still want to have again so many questions

835
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: for the both of you that we'll still get into,

836
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: but I need to ask this because and this is

837
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: something that when we're doing our recap we touch on,

838
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: is these last two episodes, if I'm gonna be honest,

839
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: were difficult to watch. And again, like I understand really

840
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: kind of everyone's mindset and every moment because I've lived

841
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: through it all. So I try to be empathetic and

842
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, see all sides of things. But one thing

843
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: that I think hurt just as a woman, and if

844
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: I was watching, you know, if if these were my

845
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: girlfriends on TV, if these were some of my best friends,

846
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: it would be really tough and hurt a bit. Was

847
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: was the last day, Oh, I don't even know if

848
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: it was last day, the last moment that you had

849
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: with And I don't want to bring up the other girls,

850
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Susie, But with Gabby and Rachel when you

851
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: ended things with those two, what what brought you to

852
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: that moment to bring up with them both at the

853
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: same point, Because for me personally, I would have wanted

854
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: to just do it I think separately, because if you

855
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: did have strong feelings and you were falling in love

856
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: with both of them, I think they deserved the respect

857
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: to have separate conversations and the time dedicated to them,

858
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: being able to ask questions and like really have that

859
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: closure so again and in time is very strange in

860
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: the world of Batchelor. I get that too. But what

861
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: was going through your mindset into do it in the

862
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: way that it all went down? Yeah, again, I think

863
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: as I've seen it now, it's it is something that

864
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: I probably should have went about it the other the

865
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: other way. But after the first time that I went,

866
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, the rose ceremony from hell or whatever you

867
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: want to call it, when I when I first broke

868
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: that news to them about being or with Susie, and

869
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: when all occurred with her, I saw how that two

870
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: of them reacted or they were, you know, they were distraught.

871
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: But then towards the end, as where I was saying

872
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: out the final two rowses, they were holding each other,

873
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: consoling each other, and they seemed to be to get Like,

874
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: really them being together in that moment seemed to be

875
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: beneficial and kind of helped, uh, you know, take some

876
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: of the blow out of all of the you know,

877
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: the severity of that or the how tough it was.

878
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: It kind of seemed like they were able to lean

879
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: on each other. And so after that point, when I

880
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: realized I was going to break up with the two

881
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: of them and I needed to do that in order

882
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: to fully pursue Susie, I went back to that moment

883
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: in my head and I thought, well, they in that

884
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: moment the last time you did this, they were there

885
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: for each other. They were hugging each other, they were

886
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: just really like reassuring each other that they were both

887
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: there and it together and it was tough, and I

888
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: kind of thought that is what my hope was, was

889
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: that they could console each other and then once they

890
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to me individually, we could step aside

891
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: and talk privately. It was just my thought. Again, I

892
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know. I didn't really know which way

893
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: it was the best way because I never dated multiple

894
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: women at one time, nor will ever do that again.

895
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: But I was like, Okay, it seems like those two

896
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: could maybe be there for each other in that moment,

897
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: And that was what my thought was was this could

898
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: be helpful, I guess, since it's going to be a

899
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: lot to tell the both of them, hopefully they can

900
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: be there at the end and at least soften the

901
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: blow a little bit if they're together. And I mean, again,

902
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: that was my thought, but it doesn't mean it was right.

903
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm actually so glad you asked that, Becca, because I

904
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: had the same question. It just didn't make any sense

905
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: to me at the time. I mean, I figured there

906
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: was like you had reasoning for making the decision, but

907
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: I could not figure it out or understand why you

908
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: had made it. So it is interesting to hear what

909
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: your thought process was making that decision. Would you make

910
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: the same decision again looking back or now? No? I

911
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: mean I would surely certainly pull them aside and do

912
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: it individually. Yeah, I mean I would have done it differently,

913
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: But I just that was my thought process was they

914
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: could be there for each other and it would make

915
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: it a little bit easier to process and handle. And

916
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: that was my thought. But again that was I mean

917
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: that it was right. Yeah, you live and you'll learn

918
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: again everything is twenty twenty in hindsight. One thing actually

919
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: that this wasn't even all my thought. Intel. We started

920
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: talking about this, but we've seen leads in the past

921
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: tell multiple women they love them, you know, I think

922
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: it started with Ben Higgins. We saw on our season

923
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: Badger he did it, Pilot Pete did it. If I'm

924
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: blanket on anyone else, but I mean, it's it seems

925
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: like now it's kind of a consistent thing. Do you

926
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: wish looking back that you never expressed that you were

927
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: falling in love or loved anyone Intel the very end

928
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: if it was one woman standing. Yeah, you know, the

929
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: what if game is so challenging because I just I

930
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: don't even know. Again with all of this, it's like,

931
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: how what's the right way to handle being in love

932
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: with three people? Like do you wait till the very

933
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: end and withhold those emotions? I mean in a way,

934
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, I had fallen in some capacity for Serene

935
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: as well, and I never told her, and I don't know. Again,

936
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: It's like, was it better off for her to be

937
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: able to recover, not like knowing that I never even

938
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: told her that. It never gave her that and so

939
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: she didn't know until she probably watched it back. But

940
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. Again, It's like I could

941
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: have waited till the end. But my fear was, is

942
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: that the way when Serene taught me a lesson when

943
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: she said, is you know, it's the reason why you're

944
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: sending me home because of how I because of the

945
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: feelings that I expressed and of being falling in love

946
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: with you, and that moment it really felt like she

947
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: was invalidated. And because of that, I thought, well, if

948
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: these other women don't know where I'm at, they're going

949
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: to maybe start feeling invalidated, and wonder, Okay, I need

950
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: to start putting my walls back up because we're nearing

951
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: the end of this all and I have no idea

952
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: where he's at, and there's certainly no way I can

953
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: accept an engagement. I mean, I knew there's no way

954
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: that I could just get to the final day and

955
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I get down on a knee and

956
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: be like, well, you haven't heard this yet, but I

957
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: love you and I want to get engage with you. Hey,

958
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: that's what I did. Well okay, and it were word

959
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: for me for a little bit, but well, okay. So

960
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: I just thought it was better to like make sure

961
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: that there were no surprises if when if I were

962
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: to get down on a knee and have someone be like,

963
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: you're getting out on knee, like I didn't even know

964
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: you love me? And so uh and as I saw

965
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: like when I told you know, Susie, she was shocked.

966
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: She's like, I didn't know that's how you felt, and

967
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: it was It was a lot, and I just felt

968
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: that again I should tell these women as soon as

969
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: possible because I realistically I'm going to get engaged to

970
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: one of these women at the end of it. I

971
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: like that I cannot be telling them the day of

972
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: that just that just seems like a lot to process.

973
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: And I'm sure they will have if I didn't tell

974
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: them and tell that point, they would have put the

975
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: walls up. It is the way that I saw it.

976
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: So I saw another way around it other than to

977
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: tell them all watching you a woman tall talk to

978
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: Serene and say exactly what you kind of expanded upon

979
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: about how she taught you a lesson. I did watch

980
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: that and kind of go like I was like, I

981
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: think I know where Clayton's head is going to go,

982
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna just completely open up. And

983
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: I remember thinking he's got three women, and one of

984
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: those women is like, at least one of these women

985
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: is probably gonna have a tough time with that. And

986
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: then right into the ex episode we see it a hole,

987
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: but I mean it really is, and like you two

988
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 1: can both understand what I'm saying, Like it is such

989
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: a weird world and what is normal outside of it

990
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: is not normal inside of it. What is normal inside

991
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: of it is not normal outside of it. So like

992
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: trying to navigate it, it's it is difficult. So like

993
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: I give you both credit for like owning up, you know, Clayton,

994
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: owning up to your mistakes, and both being able to

995
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: support one another and be here today. Yeah, yeah, no,

996
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, and I just hope that most

997
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: people do give us grace because again, I think people

998
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: see these things and I made mistakes, but there's times

999
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: where I've read different I've heard different opinions. People say,

1000
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: it's common sense, why would you do this? I was like,

1001
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: what is common about dating thirty women? Like? Nothing common

1002
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: about that. So I was like a lot of people

1003
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: that are you know, it's like the keyboard warriors that

1004
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: talk about how I would have done this. It's like,

1005
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: all right, you would have done that one, right, but

1006
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: what else would you have done? Everything else perfectly? Opiniat

1007
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 1: That's where I think people I might just give everybody grace,

1008
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: not just me is the bachelor, but give all previous

1009
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: bachelor's grace. I even was on the outside, not really

1010
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: haven't watched a ton of the show prior, but I

1011
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: had heard the outcome of some of these pre other

1012
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: bachelors and I was like, Oh, that dude, what was

1013
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: he thinking? Like that guy needs to you know, he

1014
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: needs to grow up. But then I've now, since I've

1015
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: been on this side of it, I was like, Oh,

1016
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: it's really, really, really challenging to be in this position,

1017
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: and I think it requires a tremendous amount of grace.

1018
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: And the people that are the most understanding are the

1019
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: ones that also went through the same thing. Every bachelor

1020
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: bachelord I've talked to is so understanding and we're all

1021
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: in this same boat where were like, we know how

1022
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: strong we are mentally because it takes so much to

1023
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: be able to navigate through this and no way, no,

1024
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: there's no way you can do it perfectly. Some have

1025
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: done it better than I was. Absolutely, but but it's

1026
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, and I think at the end of

1027
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: the day, it is I would say for every batch

1028
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: or not just me and bats are like, get them

1029
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: grace because it is so hard to date multiple people.

1030
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: There's the reason why people don't do that. No, it's

1031
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: it's so funny. And I'm sure you've gotten this is

1032
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, you were able to date thirty women,

1033
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: that's so fun Like I wish I could do that.

1034
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: And realistically, when people say that, I cringe because I'm like, no, Like,

1035
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: it's not as glamorous and fun as it seems. We

1036
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: saw with your group of women, especially at the beginning,

1037
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: with all the drama go going down. It's it's very difficult.

1038
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: It's very taxing emotionally, physically, mentally, spiritually, all the things.

1039
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot. Luckily, I will say this, UM

1040
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: and YouTube are in such a good spot. I want

1041
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: you to be able to savor this moment and like,

1042
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: soak in this your sport for one another, because it

1043
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: will be tough outside of all this for a little bit.

1044
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: But the silver lining is that as your nation has

1045
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: a very short attention span and there's always a new

1046
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: season coming, there's always a different contestant doing something to

1047
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: take the focus off. So it might be tough for

1048
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: a while, but eventually, as people start to see you

1049
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: two now in the real world and showing off your

1050
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: relationship and your love and support for one another, people

1051
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: will rally behind you and begin to love you and

1052
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: support you in such new different ways. That'll be very special,

1053
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: and I think I'm hoping that'll come for you as

1054
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: a team and for the other women too on your

1055
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: season as well. Um, I want to jump all over

1056
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: the place right now because Susie, I have to ask

1057
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: you this because it keeps crossing my mind. Okay, So

1058
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: taking it back to Iceland, Okayum, that last week was weird.

1059
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: Keep reality like we've never left literally yeah, yeah, so

1060
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: much has happened. But okay, and you've seen the show

1061
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: you kind of know how it works. So basically, you

1062
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: two break up before Phantasy Suites. Then Jesse comes into

1063
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: your room and says, hey, you should talk to Clayton.

1064
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: You go, and I'm pretty sure you were very shocked

1065
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: to see Clayton's family there, had that quick conversation. But

1066
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: then the last day, because you I'm sure you met

1067
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: with our favorite person, Carrie Fetman, he styled you on

1068
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: that last day, I'm assuming you knew Clayton was going

1069
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: to propose correct, So what did you think you were going? Like?

1070
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: I was like, what's where did this ring come from?

1071
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, it was stunning, like

1072
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: someone hold on to that, but I was shocked and

1073
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: went at the right, Well, what was going through your

1074
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: mind that last day as you're getting your gown on

1075
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: your you have the beautiful jewelry, You're doing your makeup,

1076
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: your hair, Like, what did you think you were walking into? Honestly,

1077
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: I feel so naive to say this, because, yeah, I

1078
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: have seen this show. I've been watching for like three

1079
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: years now, and I did not know I was walking

1080
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: into even a rose ceremony. Like I know that sounds crazy.

1081
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know that there was going to be a

1082
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: final rose at that point. Like I was just so

1083
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: I think I was in just this crazy state of

1084
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: mind at that point where I was like just focusing

1085
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: on like I need Clayton to know that I care

1086
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: about him. I need him to know how much he

1087
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: means to me, and that this, you know, isn't easy

1088
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: for me. I need him to be able to say.

1089
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: I was like thinking about the relationship aspect that, Yeah,

1090
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: I felt it feels silly now because I got to

1091
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: where actually that was the gown that I picked out

1092
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: if I were going to get engaged, and earlier in

1093
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: the week, I remember putting that gown on and having

1094
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: this year and night and I said, I was like,

1095
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not going to get the chance

1096
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: to wear this gown, and like, I think this is

1097
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: I felt like it was coming to an end, and

1098
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: it was like this moment of like just deep sadness

1099
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: for me where I was like, I'm just so afraid

1100
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to be the one at the

1101
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: end of this. But I had picked that gown out

1102
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: for that moment, thinking that it was like going to

1103
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: be the gown that I potentially got engaged in, and

1104
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: the next thing I know, Jesse's at my door. I

1105
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be Clayton. When I heard

1106
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: a knock and we were just going to talk and

1107
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: like maybe, you know, just end on a better note

1108
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: or something like I didn't know what to expect, and

1109
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, Yeah, I meeting Clayton's parents.

1110
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: They Yeah, they asked me to come meet Clayton, and

1111
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: I was happy to come in and say hi to

1112
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: them and stuff, obviously, like I knew how much they

1113
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: meant to him, and I was like, oh, it's not

1114
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: not the best way to meet somebody's parents, And yeah,

1115
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 1: I just I thought I knew I was walking into

1116
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: something a conversation, a really glam conversation, But until I

1117
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: walked in and saw the roads in and there, I

1118
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, this is the last roast ceremony.

1119
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: I just it sound so silly to say, because I

1120
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: understand that the show, But if I didn't know what

1121
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: I was walking into, it really doesn't sound silly at all,

1122
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: to be honest, Like, I think my mindset would be

1123
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: identical to yours, because at that point they had lost

1124
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: any form of typical structure, and like, especially with you,

1125
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: like you had left, but you were obviously still there,

1126
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: Like I had to go through that as well. And

1127
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: then you chatted and you had like a meat the family,

1128
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: but you didn't so like I think my thought process

1129
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: would have been like, oh, what is going on? I

1130
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: didn't know what I was walking into this, But I

1131
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: do want to ask you. So I am curious to

1132
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: know because you mentioned saying going into your fantasy suite

1133
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: date with Clayton, there was a sense of like I

1134
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm gonna get to wear this dress,

1135
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: and I am just curious to know further insight into

1136
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: like your mindset going into that date, because I did

1137
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: say in the last podcast, and please correct me if

1138
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm totally off base here. Also, I do want to

1139
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: call myself out. I did say team Clayton in the

1140
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: last episode and Studio, I want to apologize to you

1141
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: for saying that, because I don't want to think I'm

1142
00:57:53,880 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: in any way saying I'm invalidating your feelings. Team we

1143
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: love you both, Team Team Susie and Clayton. Yeah, but

1144
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: can you can you give play? Can you just give

1145
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: more insight because I'm really curious into your mindset going

1146
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: into the evening portion of your date and like sitting down,

1147
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: like hearing Clayton tell you he's in love with you, like,

1148
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: just can you walk me through everything that was going

1149
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: through your mind in that first kind of half before

1150
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: things took a dark turn. Yeah, I think. I mean,

1151
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: I'll try to be as quick as I can with

1152
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: it because it's probably so much. But going into Fantasy suitetsu, Yeah,

1153
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: that week, I was like, I just can't fathom. I

1154
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: never ever imagine that he would be in love with

1155
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: all three of us. That was not something that ever

1156
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: crossed my mind. And as you guys know it from

1157
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: being on the show, you talk through every scenario that week. Yeah,

1158
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: you sit down in your interviews and you you talk

1159
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: through every possible scenario for a long time. So I

1160
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: in my mind thought, I was like, Okay, I've hit

1161
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: every scenario. I've talked this, I've expressed you know what

1162
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: I feel going into this, And yeah, I felt like

1163
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: going into that night, I was like, Okay, either Clayton

1164
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: is in love with me and he feels the way

1165
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: that I feel and we're about to walk out engaged,

1166
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: or he's found it with somebody else. And I really

1167
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: had this mindset of like he is told like he

1168
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: really is in a position where he can't explore these relationships. However,

1169
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: he wants. But if he doesn't know that it's me,

1170
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: I am no longer. I don't want to move forward,

1171
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: like I want somebody who is going to know and

1172
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: maybe and genuinely like that might be too much to

1173
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: ask for that scenario. I really think it depends on

1174
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: the people. You know, Clayton had. We've talked about this.

1175
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: Gabby and Rachel are freaking awesome, like, and He've said it, like,

1176
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: how do you not fall in love with them? I

1177
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: fell in love with them, Like I love both of

1178
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: them as people. They're incredible people. So I understand now.

1179
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: It's like he had three amazing women at the end

1180
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: of it, and yeah, like he had every right to

1181
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: explore and I even knew that going in. I was like, yeah,

1182
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: like this is a very real possibility. But if he

1183
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: doesn't know, if it's that it's me, at this point,

1184
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: like I can't endure this any longer, Like I need

1185
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: to take a step away for myself. And yeah, now

1186
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: looking back, it's like, okay, Like it is a lot

1187
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: to expect the lead to know at that final three,

1188
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: but that was my hope and that was my expectation,

1189
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: and going into that night, it's like, yeah, I just

1190
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to go one of two ways.

1191
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: It was either going to be You're it or maybe

1192
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: not You're it, But no, like, you know, I'm I'm

1193
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: seeing this through and I want to I want to

1194
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: pursue you. You're the person that I'm falling in love

1195
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: with or I'm in love with and and then I

1196
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: would have continued forward, or I thought it was going

1197
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: to be you know, I think I've found what I'm

1198
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: looking for with somebody else here. And I was like,

1199
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: really at peace with either one of those. Would you

1200
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: really wanted like one or the other, Like you wanted

1201
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: it to be like all in on you or like, sorry,

1202
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: you're not the one. That middle ground is like obviously

1203
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: the hardest part. It's so hard, and I and I

1204
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: really felt like yeah, And in Clayton's even said he's like,

1205
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: that's not the most like endearing thing to hear, because yeah,

1206
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: you want somebody that's like I'm going to fight through

1207
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: this with you and I'm gonna stick this out for you.

1208
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: And I do like, look at that, and I'm like, yeah,

1209
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: I can see how that's uneasy for somebody who's in

1210
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: his position, who's got three amazing women at the end.

1211
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: And so yeah, when the conversation when he said he

1212
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: loved me, at first, I was like whoa, Like that

1213
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: was not what I was expecting to hear right now,

1214
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: Like that just seemed I was like shocked by that,

1215
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: especially coming from my hometown day where I'd spoken to

1216
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: my mom and she was like yeah. I asked him

1217
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: if he loved you, and he said that he's just yeah,

1218
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: not there and I was like, okay, like I mean

1219
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: maybe this is it, Like maybe this is I'm just

1220
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: not moving forward, and yeah, I feel like to an extent,

1221
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: I was there for a long time. I was the

1222
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: first hometown, the last fantasy, see, so I had a

1223
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: lot of time to think through everything and get in

1224
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: your head, get in my own head. So when the

1225
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: conversation became that he was in love with all three people,

1226
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, just totally shocked. And I

1227
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: couldn't have prepared myself for that scenario at all. I

1228
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: never thought that scenario. Do you think it was also

1229
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: so much of a shock because you three women are incredible.

1230
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: I will say, like I would some of the top

1231
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: three we've seen on any season, but you're all so

1232
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: so different. So was that kind of hard to wrap

1233
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: your mind around because if Clayton's telling you he loves you,

1234
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: but then he also told these other two women he

1235
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: loves them too, You're like, well, what does he want?

1236
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: Because we're all so different? So what is he looking for?

1237
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: Is that work? A lot of the confusion and shock

1238
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: was too. I guess I hadn't really thought of that

1239
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: way specifically, but now looking at it, yeah, I think,

1240
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: I guess. I don't let me put that in your

1241
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: brain then, And I actually will say going into that week,

1242
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: I know, like of the girls and I had a

1243
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: lot of different conversations than our little sweet and Iceland,

1244
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: and one of the conversations that we that we had, yeah,

1245
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: I think I said. I was like, we obviously all

1246
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: have strong connections. There's no doubt in my mind we

1247
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: all have a strong connection. And I think at this

1248
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: point it's kind of about compatibility, because you know, you

1249
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: go into fantasy suits and you can ask like are

1250
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: you willing to move? Are you like I need to

1251
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: be by my family, or like, you know, my job

1252
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: is here and I have to I have to have

1253
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: support for this. And you can ask all of those

1254
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: questions uninterrupted and get all the answers. So I think

1255
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: at that point I was like, this is not necessarily

1256
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: about like there's no one who doesn't have a connection,

1257
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 1: but maybe it's about compatibility, And so I did. Yeah,

1258
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: I looked at all three of us, and I'm like, yeah,

1259
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: we are very different. We all have very different expectations

1260
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: of where are what our lives are going to look like.

1261
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: So I considered that for sure. I have two like

1262
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: quick specific follow up questions for Susie. So my first

1263
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: question is do you feel like when you sat down

1264
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: at the table, did you feel like you'd obviously run

1265
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: through every scenario. Do you feel like the most likely

1266
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: scenario was he was going to say you're the one

1267
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: or you're not the one, because I mean, I think

1268
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: the doubt creeps in a lot during that week. And

1269
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: then my second question was, I don't even know if

1270
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: this is something like a thought you've entertained, but like

1271
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: if Clayton had sat there and been like, I don't

1272
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,439
Speaker 1: know who it's going to be, but like I haven't

1273
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: said I love you to anyone, I haven't been intimate

1274
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: with anyone. What how do you think that might have

1275
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: changed things? Yeah, So the first the first question being

1276
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: what was the first one. So when you sat down, um,

1277
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: what was your like most likely hypothetical outcome? M I

1278
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: think I was hoping that I was hoping for Clayton

1279
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: to to be like, no, I you know, I've protected

1280
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: our relationship or whoever, even Whoever's relationship. It was like,

1281
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: I feel like, at least for me, and everyone's different,

1282
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: like Gabby and Rachel, but we all felt different about

1283
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: fantasy streets. We each had a different opinion on them,

1284
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: and that's like to each of us were allowed to

1285
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: have those feelings. But yeah, I had hoped that I

1286
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: would sit down and it would be like you're crazy

1287
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: and you look like an idiot now, like you've been

1288
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: crying on screen for a whole week, susy. Like in

1289
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: my mind, I was like, I hope I just like

1290
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: look like an emotional wreck for no reason this whole week.

1291
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: Like I was hoping for that to be like my experience.

1292
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: But I think I did have that fear creep in

1293
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: and I was just kind of like, I feel like

1294
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: he's found this with somebody else, Like I just feel

1295
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: like it's not me. I just I convinced myself that

1296
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't me, and I yeah, I think that's how

1297
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to go. But my hope

1298
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: was that it would be the other way. And oh yeah,

1299
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: if he had said, yeah, if he had said, you know,

1300
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: I haven't told anybody that I love that, I haven't

1301
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: taken those relationships the next level. I'm just like, you know,

1302
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: moving forward, trying to figure out what's best. I would

1303
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: have continued because I think that's where those conversations really

1304
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: come into play, of like the deal breakers that you

1305
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: can you can talk about, and the fantasy suitets that

1306
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: are off camera, like anything that might be like a

1307
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: major red flag that you don't necessarily want to say

1308
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: on camera, but you need to have a conversation with

1309
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: that person about. So yeah, I would have absolutely moved

1310
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: forward because I think at that point it's I think

1311
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 1: it'd be more of like, Okay, that's where the compatibility

1312
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: comes in, right, Okay, Well, speaking of moving forward, I

1313
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: want to know what's in store for the two of you, Clayton.

1314
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned that you two are moving in together,

1315
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: but do you know where Wayne, anything that you can

1316
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: share with us. We're moving out of Iceland. Guys, we

1317
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: got to that point of the internet. You made it.

1318
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: We never need to go back to Iceland, you know. Um, yeah, no,

1319
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: I think for me going into this whole experience, I

1320
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: stepped away from my job and sold my condo and

1321
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: just uprooted myself so that I could really make this

1322
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: is have the best chance a like having a lasting

1323
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: relationship from this whole experience. And so with that, uh yeah,

1324
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: we're moving into Virginia right away, right wowation yas say

1325
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: Virginia's Lovers, Suzie. We went to Virginia in my season

1326
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: and I had so many shirts and like boozies that

1327
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: said Virginia is for lovers that I'm going to ship

1328
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: them all to the two of you. Wait, is that

1329
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: a real thing, Susie? Didn't just make that up right now?

1330
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: That's the it's their motto, it's the way. Yeah, Oh

1331
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: my gosh, that's so funny. I didn't do that. So yeah,

1332
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,919
Speaker 1: so we're so we're doing that. And then just because

1333
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: again to think, it makes most sense to if you

1334
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: really find out if relationship work once you move in

1335
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: with somebody, and uh so we just be like, hey,

1336
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: let's do this, let's let's let's find out. And so

1337
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: we're doing that and then we'll uh some exciting things

1338
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: coming up. I'll move straight there and then we'll go

1339
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: back to Scottsdale to grab all of my stuff out

1340
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 1: of my apartment with my brother, and then we're gonna

1341
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: do a road trip across the country. Probably a tag

1342
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: trip will hit. We still haven't picked out final locations,

1343
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: but we just want to be able to go across

1344
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: to a road trip. They have that experience together and

1345
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: start building these new memories that loves. And you know

1346
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: what I will say is it's gonna get maybe a

1347
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: little harder right after the finale, and then I promise

1348
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: you it gets easier. I mean maybe we'll send like

1349
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: Thomas Streaking thrill a or something to like take like

1350
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: the attention off you guys for a minute. But after

1351
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,879
Speaker 1: going through such hardship on the show and being tested

1352
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: while filming, after a while it's airing, I it's very

1353
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: hard to come by a challenge that is as difficult

1354
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: as this one. So if you can make it through

1355
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: like it is truly a test to your relationship. Like

1356
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: I have said time and time again, Joe and I

1357
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: have never experienced still anything as hard as going through Paradise.

1358
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: And if you can get through this, like I don't

1359
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: want to say even get through anything, but like, your

1360
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: chances are pretty good, but it will make you stronger

1361
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: if it hasn't already. Yes, So my question is do

1362
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: you guys, have you talked about or created any sort

1363
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: of strategies or plans on how you plan to handle

1364
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you'll will get love, but like any criticism

1365
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: coming your way kind of moving forward. We haven't really

1366
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: set a plan or discussed like, oh, how are we

1367
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: going to navigate this specifically? I've kind of we both

1368
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: have kind of taken a hiatus this week because I

1369
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 1: know right now, which is great, and I'm so grateful

1370
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: for all the support, Like so many people are commenting

1371
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 1: and sending a messa of support, but I know that

1372
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: those people are going to be like shook in a

1373
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: couple of days when we walk out together. So I yeah,

1374
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: it's I'm expecting a turn of the tide for myself,

1375
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: but I just yeah, I mean, I feel like even

1376
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: just taking a step away from my phone this week

1377
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: has been really good for me, just to because I

1378
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: don't want to see that either, because a lot of

1379
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 1: people are supporting me, but it's bringing Clayton down, and

1380
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: it's like you can support both of us and acknowledge

1381
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: that we can both acknowledge that we made mistakes, we

1382
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: can both acknowledge that we could have done better, and

1383
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: we have had the conversations that we need to have.

1384
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'll probably try to utilize my social

1385
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: media to explain that in a sense of like, if

1386
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: you support me, then support us, because it's it's only

1387
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: going to make things harder for us individually and together

1388
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: if you don't. Yeah, Yeah, I think the biggest thing

1389
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: we've just we're both very rational. She's more rational than

1390
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: I ever thought she would be. And it's great, but

1391
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: we have, like we have these tough conversations. We've had

1392
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: them all throughout the season as we've watched it back,

1393
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: and real relationship, you know, kind of conversations that not

1394
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 1: all of them are are pretty. But what's great about

1395
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: it is the two of us can talk through these

1396
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: things and we have these three four our conversations sometimes

1397
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: saying like what is best for us? And we've had

1398
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: multiple conversations like that, and we always appro We're always

1399
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: a little stronger afterwards. All our connection becomes that much

1400
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: stronger because we can attack anything head on. I mean,

1401
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: nothing is awful limits as far as the second one

1402
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: of us sees the other one struggling, as long as

1403
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: we're ready to talk about it's like, hey, let's sit

1404
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: down and talk. And we've had so many of those conversations.

1405
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: And so I do agree streng like with what you said,

1406
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: and I've even echo the cinement to her just I said,

1407
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think if not to say that everything

1408
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: from here on it'll be easy, but everything that we've

1409
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: went through beyond this point should it should not be

1410
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: nearly as challenging. Now there will be there will be, yes,

1411
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: I mean, immediate blowback, and I think to that at

1412
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you just have to understand

1413
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: that where's it coming from, And you realize it's coming

1414
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: from people that don't know you, that don't know each other,

1415
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: that are probably projecting their own anger and insecurities based

1416
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: off of what they don't like about their own life,

1417
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: and so you just realize it's unnecessary. I mean, I

1418
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, people should see that, yes,

1419
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: this is a very wild way to find love, but

1420
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: I think it goes to show like if you fight

1421
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: for what you want and you follow your heart no

1422
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: matter what you face, all the adversity, you can make

1423
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: it through. And if two people love each other that much,

1424
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: they can make it through anything. And I think that's

1425
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: what the story is about, you know. And there certainly

1426
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: we wish we would have both done things better, but

1427
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's what it is.

1428
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: And if people can't see that as love and they

1429
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: still want to be angry about it and upset, they

1430
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 1: have their rights to feel that way, but it shouldn't

1431
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: impact us mentally, and I don't think it will because

1432
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: I think now we're a team, we're together, and there

1433
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: is no more separation and talking about one side versus

1434
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: the other. So either if people are all in, that's right,

1435
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: they can support us, and if they're not all in,

1436
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 1: they can say whatever they want, but their words really

1437
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: don't mean much to us anymore. Yeah, it's all the

1438
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: haters out there. There's an ad age, old adage that says,

1439
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: buck them, you know in your relationship. Well O, wait,

1440
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: what do you think I was gonna saying? I don't know,

1441
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: but it wasn't that. Well, it sounds like you both

1442
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: have such a good head on your shoulders moving forward.

1443
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's any advice that I can give you,

1444
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: and it sounds like you've already done this. This week

1445
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: is to just go off the grid for a big

1446
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: go off of social media and just there's gonna be

1447
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: so much piling in that I was going to be

1448
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: there whatever, just take you know, put the phones, the computers,

1449
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: whatever aside, and just focus on YouTube. I think a

1450
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: road trip honestly will be great, a great little distraction

1451
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: for the both of you in a really good way

1452
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: to continue to get to know each other. What is

1453
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 1: one thing though, because pretty soon you're going to be

1454
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: finally able to walk down the street in front of

1455
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: other people. You're gonna be able to hold hands, You're

1456
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna be able to go to Chipotle, And it's feeling

1457
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: like it really is such a good feeling. What are

1458
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: you most looking forward to? Like, what's the first thing

1459
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: you two want to do together? Well? I love going

1460
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: out the beach. I love She's like, I'm gonna take

1461
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: you out to dinner. Yeah, because we're gonna be in

1462
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: Virginia pretty soon after everything. So there's a few spots

1463
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: at the ocean front where I'm like, oh, we can

1464
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: go here, we can have like a rooftop view and

1465
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: see the see the boardwalk, and I work part time

1466
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: at a restaurant that's like it's kind of like a

1467
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: it's like a dive bar, but it's like massive and

1468
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 1: so cool, and it's like, oh it's waterfront. It's like

1469
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: it's just like super my vibe. And I'm like, oh,

1470
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: I can't wait to break you there, Like it sounds

1471
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: so funny, but I'm I'm excited to show him where

1472
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: I actually lived now because he saw my hometown, but

1473
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: he didn't get to come to Virginia Beach. So I'm

1474
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: excited to show him all the all the hot spots. Oh,

1475
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna have so much fun. That's truly

1476
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: the best feeling is to be able to sit down

1477
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: across from one another order a glass of wine, like

1478
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: with people around you. I will say, though, try to

1479
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 1: get like a private area if you can, because you

1480
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: will get bombarded at first. So if you want to

1481
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: really be able to enjoy that first set out together,

1482
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: it would get like a separate room, a separate table

1483
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: in the back something. Yeah, well, dean to make some

1484
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 1: of fuens. Yeah you can pull some strength. Yeah, it

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: works works there. So it's excited. We're excited to do

1486
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: it all Yeah, we're excited to just do the little things.

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01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: I think that's everything that we can just do in public,

1488
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: walk outside, walk down a boardwalk. I found out and

1489
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: during these trips that I might be lack to us

1490
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: a small right now, So oh no, there's pills for

1491
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah. But just do all the fun stuff,

1492
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: the little things together, just hike, bike, all these things

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01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: that we love to do. Um, and now we get

1494
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: to do them and we don't have to hide anymore.

1495
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: So that's that's pretty sweet. Ah well, congratulations you two.

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01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: It's clazy baby. Um okay, we are going to get

1497
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 1: into a game with you two, but really quick, we

1498
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: have to ask you this because obviously we do it

1499
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: on every episode overall, Now that the season is done

1500
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: and you've lived at airing and all of the craziness,

1501
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: what overall has been both of your roses and your thorns?

1502
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and um and my thorn is Thorne's clearly

1503
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: the way that I handle that night by far. All right,

1504
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 1: Well we'll leave it at that. I mean, bust roses

1505
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: right there sitting in front of us. Um. Okay, so

1506
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the happy couple game. Now that

1507
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: the world knows you two are together, we can finally celebrate.

1508
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: So we're gonna play this game. It's basically rapid fire,

1509
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: and um, you either have to answer Susie or Clayton

1510
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: with whatever we ask you. So to start, Who is

1511
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: the better cook We've done We've done couples cooking, and

1512
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I have a slight edge. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1513
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: all right? Who is more romantic? She is far? Yeah?

1514
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: I need help on that one. Somebody him. No, Susie's like, literally,

1515
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: anyone anyone helped this man. He's like, I need the

1516
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: show dates back. Who is more suffering? One two three, Susie?

1517
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: All right? Who is the messy? One? One two three?

1518
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: Sus she knew she knew the water boles all over

1519
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: the house. I'm the same way, Susie. I am the

1520
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: same That's a girl thing. I don't know why. Like

1521
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: one of my best friends has like twelve glasses scattered

1522
01:17:53,400 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: amongst her home. Okay, guys, who's the funny one? One

1523
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: two three, I'll say Suzy Suzy. I love how she

1524
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: poily points to herself. Who spends more money? One two three?

1525
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: It's probably because yeah, she doesn't spend any money. She's

1526
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: so frugal. Yeah, but I'm a wow woman. I just

1527
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: spend him on trips, So I just do it, like, yeah,

1528
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: I just prioritize the money. You're targets. I get it,

1529
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: I get it. Okay, Who is the planner? One two three? Again,

1530
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 1: I think we both aren't really we just well you

1531
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: probably have to really have too. Yeah, I think we're

1532
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: just spontaneous, both of us. All right? Who is more competitive?

1533
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: One two three? Yeah, the athlete and you hathlete? Yeah?

1534
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: Who takes up more of the bed? One two three? Really?

1535
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: I know you're only half his size. It's another girl thing.

1536
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: She spreads out, pulls all the covers. Yeah, yeah, I

1537
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: get it. I get it. It's her domain. I'm a

1538
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,560
Speaker 1: cover I'm a cover tea. Why can't I speak a

1539
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 1: covered beef too? Yeah? All right? Who takes longer to

1540
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: get ready? One two three, Susie? But that's because it takes? Yeah,

1541
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: Like I feel like neither one of you are high maintenance,

1542
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: which I really appreciate. All right, last one? Who is

1543
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: always right? One two three Susie? He thinks he's always right?

1544
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: Yess are gonna end on that one? Get us were

1545
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: talking about? That's gonna be the first thing we talk about. One,

1546
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some advice. The woman is always right,

1547
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: that's why he's always right. Or in my case, I

1548
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: let Joe think he's always right. But like I know

1549
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 1: the truth, you know that within us here. Oh man, Well, congratulations.

1550
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: I know it was a wild ride, crazy time getting here,

1551
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: but we really are excited for you to see where

1552
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say this journey, just to

1553
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: see where now your life takes you. I mean, you've

1554
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 1: gotten through hopefully the worst, hardest part and now you

1555
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: can just celebrate your time together in your normal settings,

1556
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: normal world. So we're so thrilled for you both. We're

1557
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: always here. If you have any questions, d any advice,

1558
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: event please let us know. But thank you both for

1559
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: joining us. Best of luck. All the advice you want

1560
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: is like, we can answer any questions to the best robability.

1561
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: But my best advice would just be to lean on

1562
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: each other, communicate with each other, just talk things as

1563
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: much as possible. And we are really rooting for you

1564
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: guys and wishing you the best. We love seeing people

1565
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: find love on this show, and we are really happy

1566
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: to see you guys together today. Yeah, but you know

1567
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: as much as I love you, I'm glad your season's done, buddy.

1568
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody is very much glad it's time. So

1569
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm happy it's over as well. Trust me, I'm right

1570
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: there with theybody else. Now, that was the fun part,

1571
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: so go enjoy it. I know you have a lot

1572
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: to do today, but go spoke in these moments. Go

1573
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: have fun. Get out of here, you too, A right?

1574
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: All right? Wow, we covered a lot with them, but

1575
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I still could have had them on forever,

1576
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: asking every little thing about every moment. I could have

1577
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: happily broken down from episode one with them. I think

1578
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: we really controlled ourselves by just sticking to Iceland. But truly,

1579
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: I had so many questions that hopefully you know the well,

1580
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: I guess we'll never get the answers. No, I don't

1581
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: know why I'm saying. Maybe they'll come out it's game over.

1582
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: Seasons done, well, Well, we'll have a wine night with

1583
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: the two of them and get all the good juicy deets.

1584
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: There we going, But there we go. You know, after everything,

1585
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: it was a lot. It was a very heavy end

1586
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: to this season. I'm glad to see them, happy, to

1587
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: see them smiling, you know, at the end of the day,

1588
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: people can have their opinion on how the lead handled

1589
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 1: things or should have handled something, but you know, he's

1590
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 1: trying to find love and what fits for him best,

1591
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: and I feel like he's found that with Susie. So

1592
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see them and you know, kind

1593
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 1: of put put all of this behind them and move on, because,

1594
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: like we just said, the best for the best is

1595
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: yet to come for them. So I can't wait. Speaking

1596
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: of like sad En Dean's Serena, I have had such

1597
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: a blast recapping this entire season with you. You have

1598
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: been such a gem to be doing the podcast with.

1599
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm so sad this is going to be our last

1600
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: episode together. I'm so sad too. We're gonna have to

1601
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: have our weekly chats anyway, because I'm gonna miss saying

1602
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: your face every week on the podcast. But I want

1603
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: to thank you so much for having me this season.

1604
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: I really had such a blast, and I want to

1605
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 1: thank all the Happy Hour listeners for all your words

1606
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: of encouragement and accept me onto the podcast. Hopefully I

1607
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 1: will be back to visit soon. Yes, well, you you're

1608
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: welcome back anytime. Maybe we'll even have you in weekly

1609
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: for the fashion recaps when the next season picks up.

1610
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: Because you are a professional at that we all know

1611
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: I am not, so please come join us anytime. We

1612
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: absolutely loved having you. It was such a blast. I mean,

1613
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm really good to miss you. So thank you, thank you,

1614
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm a huge thank you to Susie and

1615
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: Clayton for joining us. I know it's going to be

1616
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: they have a lot of press to go through right

1617
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: now and it's going to be a lot for them,

1618
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: so I appreciate them taking time out of their day.

1619
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: But the biggest thank you goes out to all of

1620
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. Thank you for tuning in

1621
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: each and every week and sharing your thoughts on this

1622
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: wild journey of a season. I'm just happy that you know.

1623
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: We have a little break. We can focus on like

1624
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: some life stuff for a while. But no, everyone have

1625
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 1: a glass of wine because it's time to celebrate absolutely

1626
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: and make sure with that glass of wine you hit

1627
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: us up on social. You can follow us at at

1628
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and from there you will

1629
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: find everything that you need to know to find. Allow

1630
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: us on Twitter and TikTok and batch. Sir. Happy Hour

1631
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,679
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1632
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,559
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1633
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: an Apple podcast, or the Wondering app. And for the

1634
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: last time, thank you Vecca, and thank you to all

1635
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Speaker 1: of our Happy Hour listeners. We will talk to you soon.