1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 2: There was a winner in this week's celebrity death match 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: between Chris Sims and I. It's the guy sitting in 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: the chair, folks. All right, there's a reason this is 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: a new thing. I think here at Peacock the Dan 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: Patrick Show Celebrity death Match, we picked two former players 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: against one another. The winner hosts the Friday Show. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 3: You know, you versus Sims in an actual fight. You're 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 3: not as big as you used to be. You're more 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: wiry now, you're taller, You're more reach than Sims. 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, but I got I got prison sense. 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: Oh so that people forget that. You know, there's a 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: respectability if you want to call it to me. You know, 15 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 2: I'm a family man. I moved to Connecticut. I live 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: in the suburbs. You know, I'll still get down in 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: the muck if I need to. 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 3: All Right, Sims does look like a bit of a 19 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 3: pretty boy. But what if he's got that switch? 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: He doesn't, he doesn't. I'm going on going on instinct here. 21 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: You know, there are some things that I can and 22 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: see and uh and uh, you know, it's it's it's 23 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: it's burned into the psyche where I can take to Yeah, 24 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: j Marvin. 25 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: Didn Sims play like a quarter of football without a spleen, though. 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: You gotta give him a couple of points. 27 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: Know, Hey, any anybody who's played the position, I'm going 28 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: to give you. You know, I had a lacerated spleen 29 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: as well, so I know what that feels like. Ray 30 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: Lewis did it to me in Baltimore. Uh, Marvin, Yes, But. 31 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 4: Chris sim saw Lawrence Taylor in the eighties, so he 32 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 4: can't unsee some things either. 33 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: That's Phil Sims, isn't it. 34 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 4: But but but he was he was a kid, yeah, 35 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 4: and he saw it. 36 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 5: You know. 37 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: I think I think Phil kept him, kept him shielded 38 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: from that type of stuff. You know, I would have 39 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: if I was. And I think Phil's a great father. 40 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: He's raised some great kids, So I get it. I 41 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: get it. I'm just I'm just saying I think people 42 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: forget you know, you know, you got kind of you know, 43 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: some of the ESPN's you know, Slappy's talking some nonsense, 44 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: and they just they forget, you know, like you do 45 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: remember who I am, right, I mean, it's just, you know, 46 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: it's just not like there's no redemption to her here. 47 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just I'm still Ryan. Leave all right. 48 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: If it's like a like a street fight and you 49 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: walk in with us and Sims walks in with Lawrence Taylor, 50 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: I'm running for my life. 51 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 2: Well you run. We'll still win. Okay, all right, we'll 52 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: still win. I Like I said, prison rules, all right, man? 53 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: You know, well we'll fire up some oil and in 54 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: the microwave. You know, we'll get that ready to throw 55 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: if we need to. There's a lot to get into. 56 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: You don't want to start a segment here. The Russell 57 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: headline that we talked about, guess where he's at right now? Pittsburgh. Everybody. 58 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: Little Birdie was right as well, as Ian Rappaport reporting 59 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: that Russell Wilson was seeing in the Newark Airport on 60 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: his way to Pittsburgh today. 61 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: Did you want here's the actual report by Ian Rapport 62 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 3: rap sheet. Free agent quarterback Russell Wilson, who has permission 63 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: to visit teams, was spotted at Newark Airport catching up 64 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: flight to Pittsburgh, set a source who took picture of 65 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: him hanging out with fans before the flight. Were you 66 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 3: surprised that he's flying commercial? 67 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 2: You know what I think they're like. I think there's 68 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: something calculated everything Russell does. Then the people, the people 69 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: heading to blue collar town Blitzburg, all right, I do 70 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: think there's something to be said for that, you know, 71 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: and maybe he learned from Hey, I I did not 72 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: step appropriately off the plane in Denver like I should have. 73 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: Here there's a humbling that's come with this, right. 74 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 3: So no private jet, Russell Wilson. This is thirty two 75 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: see Russell Wilson. 76 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: Yes, is well, I would suspect he's probably in one 77 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: to five. See. But but you know, don't forget he's 78 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: not a big guy. You know, it's not like me 79 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 2: having to have a first class seats simply because of 80 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: the comfort part of it. You know, he's a smaller guy. 81 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: He has got you know, he's got some some size 82 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: and some girth to him. But but yeah, I think 83 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: this you and I asked the same question. I think 84 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: that this probably goes a long way. You walk into 85 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: a place where you're gonna you know, you're gonna strap 86 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: it up together, You're gonna put that helmet on, which 87 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: I think is the greatest helmet in all of the NFL. 88 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: One side the circle with the three stars and the 89 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: Steeler logo that this is this is something pretty special. 90 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: We're number three out there in black and black and yellow. Yeah, 91 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: let's let's go. I'm all about it. But we're going 92 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: to get into college football. Jonathan Smith, head football coach 93 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: for the Michigan State Spartans, is going to join us here. 94 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: In one second. Before I get into it with him, 95 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: I want to talk about the aspect of what we 96 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: heard from Nick Saban this week. Right, of course, we 97 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: know Nick Saban retired, but there was a college story 98 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: this week about what happened immediately after the Rose bull 99 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: And for a guy that's been in the business for 100 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: so long as a head coach, Setan said something very 101 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: very poetic this morning. Maybe he wanted to get out 102 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: and not not start to hate something that he loves 103 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: so much. Our next guest, incredible head football coach Oregon 104 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 2: State for the last few years now, the new head 105 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: football coach for the Michigan State Spartans, Jonathan Smith, joins 106 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: The Dan Patrick Show. Welcome to the show, Jonathan. 107 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks for having me. Ryan, good to see you. Matt. 108 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: It's good to see you too. I appreciate you doing this. 109 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of yours. I've watched you from 110 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: when you were a player in college at Oregon State 111 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: to how you've risen through the ranks and the coaching tree. 112 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: You know, started in you know, and I and Montana 113 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 2: and then at Washington and ultimately became the head man 114 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: at Oregon State. And what you were able to accomplish 115 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: there over the last few years I think is outstanding. 116 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: But I think a lot of people, with the way 117 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: the realignment has come, we're probably a little surprised but 118 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: not too shaken when the idea of maybe moving somewhere 119 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: else from your alma matter came to fruition. Talk to 120 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: us about that move and what ultimately made you decide 121 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: to head the East landsing right, You. 122 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 6: Know, these decisions are never really easy. Understanding the kind 123 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 6: of weight of one person's decision affects a lot of people. 124 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 6: Thoroughly enjoyed my time at Oregon State, got a great 125 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 6: deep appreciation for that place, people, that kind of thing. 126 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 6: But the more and more the landscape continues to change. 127 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 6: Putting some thought into you know, the next hopefully coaching 128 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 6: for the next ten to fifteen years, what that looks 129 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 6: like got into some conversation with Michigan State, and the 130 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 6: more and more looked into it, I felt really good 131 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 6: about the fit of the opportunity, the resources here, the people, 132 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 6: the leadership and aligned with you know, wanting to compete 133 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 6: at the highest level. And so it was like excited 134 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 6: about you know, taking on this challenge opportunity. And now 135 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 6: I've been doing it for about three months and really 136 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 6: enjoyed getting around these players in this community. 137 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: It's a drastic shift in color scheme, you know, you 138 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: go from orange and black to a real you know, 139 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: green and green and white. This was a good question. 140 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 2: You've been you've been a head coach, You've been coaching 141 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: for a long time. But I don't know if maybe 142 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: there's a better understanding then somebody's new to the NIL 143 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: the transfer portal aspect of things, Uh, for what you 144 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: need to do. We're in March right now. There's no 145 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: really football coaching where where is the football coaching now 146 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: on the list of things that you have to do 147 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: on a day to day basis, whether it's meeting with 148 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: NIL collectives or if it's I mean, just kind of 149 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: talk to us about what a head coach in college 150 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: football has to do on a day to day basis 151 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: right now. 152 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know it's uh there. Each head coach chooses 153 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 6: kind of how he's going to invest his time and things, 154 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 6: because there is a lot of ways to do it, 155 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 6: I know on my end, yeah, heavy amount on the 156 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 6: recruiting side. Uh, call it a collective just try and 157 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 6: create more, more and more opportunities for your players and 158 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 6: for your program. And so I spend a lot of 159 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 6: time doing that. We've got a big staff, right, We've 160 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 6: got a bunch of I think, really good coaches and 161 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 6: they're they're heavy on the schematic end of that. We 162 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 6: start springball here less than two weeks and so we're 163 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 6: getting ready for that and strength staffs big time, and 164 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 6: they've been working with the guys, and so I do 165 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 6: spend more of my time, call it a CEO level. 166 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 6: But some of these, you know, opportunities for the players 167 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 6: recruiting and then making sure the day to day uh 168 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 6: schedule is operating. 169 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: The recruiting process. Now, uh you know your and I 170 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: days it was all about the high school recruits and 171 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: in almost like a farm system that man, they spend 172 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: four years red shirt. Where is most of your resources 173 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 2: placed in the high school aspect? That things are really 174 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 2: with the transfer portal and looking around the country. 175 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, we still want to be heavy in the high 176 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 6: school side. We want to be a place of development. 177 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 6: Recruiting high school players will still be a priority for us. 178 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 6: It just can't be the only way you add your roster. 179 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 6: We know the landscape now and opportunities to add to 180 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 6: your roster from the portal. We still are going to 181 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 6: be in that more immediate need more player that's in 182 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 6: this second, third, fourth year type thing. But majority, we 183 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 6: still want to be high school heavy, starting the inside 184 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 6: out in the state of Michigan into Ohio and the 185 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 6: Midwest and build it out. 186 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of that, so transplant from the West coast, 187 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: of course, you're from Pasadena, you go to Oregon State, 188 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: you hate the Ducks, as do I. When is it 189 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: day one? 190 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 6: Do you do? 191 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 2: You step on Camps and East Lansing and all of 192 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: a sudden, you just you look around and you go, 193 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: you know, I hate Michigan. How is it instilled in 194 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: you as a new head coach for the Spartans. 195 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean for me, I've been around rivals right 196 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 6: in state rivalries and those things are important and meaningful, 197 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 6: So it didn't take me long getting over here to 198 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 6: understand that, yeah, there's another school in the state that 199 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 6: we don't like a ton and all of that. And 200 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 6: that's why I go back to the fit for me 201 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 6: coming to a place that I love that having an 202 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 6: in state rival that we get to compete in, not 203 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 6: just at football. I mean you look at basketball going 204 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 6: and all the other sports. It's fun to be on 205 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 6: a college campus that way. 206 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: The Big Ten Conference expanding, you know, you walk into 207 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: a situation ironically where you're going to see that Oregon 208 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: team once again, Washington, a place where you resided for 209 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: some time when the decision was made, and some of 210 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: the answers you gave around the reasoning, I mean, the 211 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: Big Ten in the se you really feel like that 212 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: is the players in college football right now. How important 213 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: is it to be in a conference where you feel 214 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: like you have the best type of competition, where you 215 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: can go up and down the roster of teams that 216 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 2: are in that conference, where you're going to be competitive 217 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: year in year out, and give you the best chance 218 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: to be seen as the best team out there. 219 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's been, you know, proved a big 220 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 6: ted SEC just looking a lot last year's playoff and 221 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 6: who was in the championship game, and coming from this conference, 222 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 6: I do feel excited. It's to be a challenge, but 223 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 6: playing at a conference at the highest level that is, 224 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 6: you know, solidified itself in history. And now I do 225 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 6: feel the future is really really bright for big time football. 226 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: Big conversation around the college football playoff, where that's going 227 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: to look, where it's going to go. Realignment still is 228 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: a big conversation. You know, where where do you see 229 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: the overall structure of college football maybe, let's say in 230 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 2: five years. 231 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good question, and I really don't know. 232 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 6: It continues to change those conversations. I do think, you know, 233 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 6: more opportunity, more people, teams, universities getting into the playoff 234 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 6: thinks is important. I will take been busy for three months, 235 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 6: dialed in on this place, excited about building this roster 236 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 6: spring football. Haven't put a ton of time or even 237 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 6: in those conversations. Yeah, and what it's going to look 238 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 6: like in the next five. 239 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 2: Years, Well, it's a big part of being the head coach, 240 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: right you talk to your kids. It's something you can't 241 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: control right now, you don't know, and and. 242 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 7: We're starting. 243 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's where you talk to them. I mean, 244 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 6: we don't control that aspect of it. What we do 245 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 6: control is this, you know, schedule we got for this 246 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 6: fall that we're putting a lot of work into playing. 247 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big part of what you and I 248 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 2: discussed when I came out to Corvallas a couple of 249 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: years ago. Love to get to East Lansing again now, 250 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: and it would be good time with you and your 251 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: staff before we get out of here. It's nineteen ninety four, 252 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: You're sitting in Ryan Leaf's living room with mom and dad. Uh, 253 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: what's your what's your Michigan State pitch to one of 254 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks in the country. 255 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're talking well, whether we're talking offense, we want 256 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 6: to be a place of substance. Talked about development already. 257 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 6: I do think in this transactional environment, which is just 258 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 6: a piece of the pie, totally a piece of the 259 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 6: pie now, but there's still other pieces of that from 260 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 6: academic side, getting the college degree, the day in and 261 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 6: day and day in day out, development treatment, relationship building, 262 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 6: big time campus university, the education world renowned, all of that. 263 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 6: I'd be discussing with you. 264 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's a sum of all its parts, 265 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: and you know, when you guys talk to these players, 266 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: it's tough to understand that you know, one percent of 267 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: these guys are going to play in the NFL, and 268 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: so there has to be all those other components that 269 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: you talk about, and you've done a tremendous job with it. 270 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: Before you get out of here, let's talk about your transfer. 271 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: You know Aidan Giles, he comes from Oregon State. You 272 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: really utilized him, I thought in a unique way last year, 273 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: having a set series for him to come in for 274 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: DJ and did a tremendous jobations for him. And how 275 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: excited are for you to have him on campus? 276 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 6: Well, definitely excited because we do feel like, you know, 277 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 6: a really good person, player, talented. All those things did 278 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 6: get him some experience last year, which which was earned, 279 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 6: getting him in the third series about every game, and 280 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 6: he showed that he's more than ready to play at 281 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 6: a really high level. I think he's got a comfort 282 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 6: level over here, just schematically right. The offense he dramatically 283 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 6: changing on him, and he's dove into this place. I 284 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 6: think he's fitting in well in a locker room. He 285 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 6: didn't come in and trying to be the face of 286 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 6: the program for day one. He's come in and went 287 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 6: to work. And he's not alone. We've got a bunch 288 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 6: of other guys. But we're excited about Aiden's you know, 289 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 6: potential and seeing him throw the ball round. 290 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: I'm excited to I was excited to hear that you 291 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: were going to come on today. And you know, a 292 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: big fan of yours, as you know, so continued success, 293 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: good luck and he's lancing and you know, hopefully I'll 294 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: get out there here soon. 295 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd love to get you out here for sure. 296 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 6: Speak to the team again. This guy's been phenomenal when 297 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 6: he speaking to teams who we want want to get 298 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 6: you out. 299 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Coach. Good to see a good luck 300 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: this year, and thanks for coming on. Okay, thanks y 301 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith. Everybody new head football coach for the Michigan 302 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: State Spartans. 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If I knew if that was easy 326 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: just to order Boning Ribby's so I could host, I 327 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: would do. I would have started that you know years ago, people, 328 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: years ago, Seaton, O'Connor, Todd, Fritz, Paul Papps, Marvin on 329 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: ones and twos. Thank you guys for making this really, 330 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: really fun and enjoyable. Not so fun and enjoyable high 331 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: school football in New Jersey right now. Oh sorry, New 332 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: Jersey basketball. High school New Jersey basketball not so fun 333 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: right now. Playoff time. Huge implications for players that may 334 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: never play past the high school level. This is big moments. 335 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: You know, over the last three days, a lot going on, Paulie, 336 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: you kind of have been, you know, on the p's 337 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: and q's on this one. Want to fill everybody in 338 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: on what's going on. 339 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Seaton sent me straight by which team is in 340 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: which area powerhouses and so on and so and forth. 341 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: This is the New Jersey state playoffs and Camden is 342 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: a big time school, big time basketball school. On Tuesday, 343 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: Camden beat a team called Massaquan. Masaquon is I think 344 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: a smaller school, more of a suburban school. 345 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 7: Manusquan, Manasquan. 346 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, and so Manasquan had a shot at the 347 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: end which appeared to go in before the buzzer as 348 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: a buzzer beater game winner to advance in the state playoffs. 349 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: The first referee called it good. They had a quick 350 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: meeting the three refs. Maybe thirty seconds later they had 351 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: people are going crazy. It was running on the court 352 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: and these three refs. One of the refs stepped in 353 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: and said no, it wasn't good, overruled it. They went 354 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 3: to the scores table said shot didn't count. Camden wins, 355 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: Camden advances. People went crazy. The story's gotten out there. 356 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: It's gotten a lot of social media coverage. A lot 357 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: of people have hard takes on it. There have been 358 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: some developments in this case. Because Manusquan was very upset. 359 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: They talked to their school board and actually had an 360 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: attorney see if they could do anything file an injunction 361 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: because the next playoff game for Camden is not until 362 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 3: Saturday afternoon against a school in Newark, and so right 363 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 3: now it is in the courts. The first round of 364 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: the court proceedings did not go so well for Manasquan. 365 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: The judge gave no ruling. He said it's not really 366 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: in his authority to rule on basketball games, which is 367 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: ironic because it makes sense. But they do have an 368 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 3: appeals process. If they want to pursue it, they can 369 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: go to a higher court, and that's what's going to 370 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 3: happen possibly today for Manasquan. Do they take this to 371 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: a court to try to get like a stay and 372 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: push back the State playoffs. A couple kickers in the 373 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: story the Newark High school that plays Camden. They did 374 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: a post saying, hey, if this gets moved back, we 375 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: understand and we're willing to move our game back. In 376 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 3: the carriage of justice. I guess a lot of people 377 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: are calling for the Camden head basketball coach to not 378 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 3: take the victory or forfeit the victory, whatever you want 379 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: to say, because his team didn't win fair and square, 380 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 3: even though it's not on him. 381 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: Rest what's the commercial of the guy that the kid 382 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: in the basketball game. It's sportsmanship, It's a sportsmanship. Pass 383 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: it on. 384 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: Alex tips the ball out of bounds. Yeah, and they 385 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 3: call it for Central High. 386 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 6: Yes. 387 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 7: And he goes to his coach and says, coach, I 388 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 7: touched it. 389 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 2: I touched it. 390 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 7: And the coach actually walks in and says, all. 391 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: Right, So okay, is this a Is this a a 392 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: in a This is more about a humanity aspect of things, right, 393 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: the human facet in it? 394 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 8: You know? 395 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: Is this a teaching moment? Is this a moment for 396 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: the head coach who has his arms wrapped around a 397 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: great number of young adults who are most likely not 398 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: going to play any further to each a valuable lesson, 399 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: Like it's blatant. It is a good bucket and everybody 400 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 2: can see it. Now, it's not necessarily with the rules. 401 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: The rules state that when the referees make the call, 402 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: it's end. It's just it is what it is. Is 403 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: this a teach moment? I think it is a teaching 404 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: moment for the coach. 405 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 8: And if for some reason the legislation is, hey, you 406 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 8: know whether the coach is trying to do the right 407 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 8: thing or not, I think the coach has to step 408 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 8: forward and say, hey, we didn't win that game. That 409 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 8: basket should have counted and step off. And if my 410 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 8: kid was on that team, as disappointed as I would be. 411 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 8: It wasn't like a cold strike three or was subjective 412 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 8: with an ump where everyone has a different strike zone. 413 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 8: It was blatantly that basket counted and there was still 414 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 8: four tenths of a second when it left the fingertips. 415 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 8: There's no two ways about it. And I think the 416 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 8: coach says something and then if they overrule it, they 417 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 8: overrule it and say, well, we don't have instant replay. 418 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 8: Your team is still playing in the next game, then 419 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 8: then you play it. But I think that is an 420 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 8: opportunity for the coach to say. 421 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to hed my bets a little bit here. 422 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 2: If I'm the coach, I'm like, I hopefully I can 423 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: hear a little like whether or not the ruling's going 424 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 2: to come down and say, like, you know, it's the 425 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 2: rules of the rules, and that's what it should be. 426 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 2: That's the law. 427 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 6: Right. 428 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 3: It appears that the New Jersey State High School Athletic 429 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: Association has rules in place that are being enforced it properly. 430 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: The refts are allowed to have a discussion before they 431 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 3: leave the floor and change a call. 432 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 7: If they choose to. They're not allowed to use replay 433 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 7: in any way. 434 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: Okay, so the. 435 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: Refs, according to the bylaws, if they're still on the 436 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 3: court once they've left the playing area and go to 437 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: the back, they can't change it. It becomes a historical effect. 438 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: The refs followed the rules that were in place. It's 439 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: almost like the tuck rule in the NF right, right, 440 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 3: it was. 441 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: A horrible call, but it was proper call under the 442 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: rules of football at the time. This is the rule 443 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: that is in place right now. They called it a 444 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: no good bucket. They can't go to review it. They 445 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: had a discussion, they came to an answer that it 446 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: was no good. That's the end of the game. It's 447 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: very hard to do. Like if you walk in I'm 448 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 2: playing college football at the time. We're playing in the 449 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: University of Washington. You know, there's a controversial play. You 450 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 2: walk into the locker room afterwards, and we find out 451 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: that the replay shows that Washington's wide receiver was in 452 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: bounds when he caught the touchdown and it was ruled incomplete. 453 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: I look at Mike Price at the time. We haven't 454 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: been a Rose Bull in sixty seven years, and we 455 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: look at each other and we go, you know what, 456 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: let's go do the right thing. 457 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 7: It's an sp moment. Yeah, but it doesn't seem realistic. 458 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: The Camden head coach people he hasn't really commented, but 459 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: people are asking him to not play in the next 460 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 3: playoff game and give up the spot, which I don't 461 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: even know if actually he could legally do. 462 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 2: Because I assume if he doesn't play, then it's a 463 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: forfeit and the team that they were supposed to play 464 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: just advances on its own because they're not gonna They're 465 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: not gonna take uh Manasquan or put them in a 466 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: in a winter spot when it when it's not ruled 467 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: that way. 468 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 3: So I'd also like to interview the Manasquan head coach 469 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: and say, if the tables returned, were you planning on 470 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 3: going up to and forfeiting the game if you were 471 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 3: the benefit. 472 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: So it's easy to say that, absolutely, absolutely easy answer. 473 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 2: That's why I say head to the bets, Like, if 474 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: you're the coach for Camden right now, like you know 475 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: you you got you gotta get some insiders in the 476 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 2: legislature and find out what the ruling may be coming down, 477 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: because then you can step forward before the ruling comes out. 478 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: If you know they're going to say, hey it's the law. 479 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: Camden moved on. And the Canon guy comes out and goes, 480 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: you know, I I would love to offer the wind 481 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: to our opponent and and it's a great teaching moment, 482 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: but he already knows behind his you know, behind the 483 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: back the back room Shenanigans in New Jersey, you know 484 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: they're going to go Canon is still going to go forward. 485 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: Hey, well, let's say we were all dads and all 486 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: our kids played on the Canda team. 487 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 7: It's a hypothetic, aren't we all dads. All dads, Yeah, 488 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 7: I think we are. 489 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 3: Let's say we're all dads of kids who played on 490 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 3: a high school team that was in this scenario and 491 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: the coach said to the parents, I'm going to do this. 492 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to walk in and say we're forfeiting this game. 493 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: I want to give the parents a heads up? Do 494 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 3: you think you guys? If this were a real situation, 495 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: as a parent, would go, coach, we understand, good job. 496 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 3: Or he'd be like, no, no, no, those are the breaks. 497 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 3: We get bad calls, but I get back calls. My 498 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 3: sons should stay in the basketball term. 499 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 2: Okay, So you know much of my life now is 500 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: about speaking. It's about controlling the things that you can control. 501 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: Right that this seems, certainly in a situation of an 502 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: uncontrollable situation. The effort, the attitude and behavior the things 503 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: that I can and that's the things I'm trying to 504 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: teach my son, And it would it would run counter 505 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: to everything that I talk about publicly. It would run 506 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: counter to everything that I've been trying to teach him 507 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 2: in his six years of life. If I didn't look 508 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: at him and have the back of my coach, his 509 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: coach when he stepped into the room and saying, hey, 510 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to do the right thing here. It would 511 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: run counter to everything that I'd let, you know who 512 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: I'd let enter the fray. I let my wife, who 513 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: is uber competitive former All American George Shown volleyball player. 514 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of people think I'm 515 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: gonna be a kind of a crazy sports dat I'm not. 516 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: Like I sit on the sideline in my launch air 517 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 2: and I watch it and whoever's coaching is coaching my kid. 518 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 3: But do you think you'd freak out if you also 519 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: had the coach sent you an email, mister leif we're 520 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: forfeiting our next game in the state playoffs out of 521 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 3: doing the right thing. 522 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: I wouldn't now because of my perspective. Now talk to 523 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: me ten years ago. Might burn the guy's house down. 524 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: That's a different scenario altogether. Now my wife is another story. Okay, 525 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: she is the glue that holds the family together. But 526 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: I would say she is she's crazy glue. I think 527 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: that's the best way to put it. Like she'll she'll 528 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 2: get something done. She would be the first that would 529 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 2: erupt in an email thread. They're like this, you will 530 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 2: not do this and these are the reason why, and 531 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: she would have a bullet point presentation for the coach 532 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: before it was all said and done. 533 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: Marvin, going back to you being a sports dad, would 534 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: you be cool, calm and collected because you made it 535 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 4: to the NFL. Because the crazy sports dands you see 536 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 4: are guys who didn't make it and they lived through 537 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 4: their kids, so they can, you know, have those dreams 538 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 4: that maybe they didn't fulfill themselves when they were kids. 539 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 6: Yeah. 540 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: I can't quite put my finger on it. I think 541 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: it is an understanding of what's important. I think that's 542 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest takeaway in this. I understand 543 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: that that if he, you know, in his little league game, 544 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 2: t ball game, you know, isn't properly running through the 545 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: first baseline, you know, running through the you know, first 546 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: base on his instead of just stopping right on the base. 547 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 6: You know. 548 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: I hear some dads just screaming, like screaming at the kid, 549 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: like run through the bag. You know. I'm like, hey, man, 550 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: he's six years old. Let's let's you know, pump the 551 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: brakes on this a little bit, all right, Marta. 552 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 4: Now going back to Camden, if your kid was just 553 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 4: a high school basketball player, and this is he's just 554 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 4: gonna go to college just to be a student, right, 555 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 4: this is it for him. Would you be more inclined 556 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 4: to say, man, this is the last chance that my 557 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 4: son has to win a state championship or to keep 558 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 4: playing high school basketball. Would you just kind of say 559 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 4: a tough break. I can't even pronounce the other school's name, but. 560 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: You know it's There's also a cliche that I use 561 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: a lot in my speeches. It's it's life isn't fair, right, 562 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: It's how you deal with it that matters, Okay, And 563 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: so I think that that could speak volumes to it 564 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: as well, like, hey, you know, this isn't fair, son, 565 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: but you know it's gonna be how you deal with 566 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: it that ultimately matters. And all this because guess what, 567 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: you know, twenty years from now, people are gonna look 568 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: back on it and say, you know, on what side 569 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: of history were you setan. 570 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 9: You know, my reaction to this is from the first 571 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 9: time I saw it, say, Wednesday morning, until right now, 572 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 9: bad calls happen. Yeah, sorry, you guys got screwed. Man, 573 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 9: that really sucks. There's probably a hundred other bad calls 574 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 9: in that game. Nobody is fighting to replay those. Nobody's 575 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 9: fighting to replay all of the other bad calls that 576 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 9: probably happened throughout the game. But this is the one 577 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 9: that's on video, and there's a timer, and it's a 578 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 9: juicy thing, and it's easy to do. The morality play 579 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 9: of like they should do the right thing. Nobody would, 580 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 9: nobody would. 581 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,479 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I do. 582 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 9: It's great in all but bad calls happen. It's part 583 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 9: of sports. They don't have video replay. Sorry, maybe Manasquan 584 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 9: can fight to get video replay put into the game. 585 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 2: Okay, here you go, here you go. This is a 586 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 2: real time thing. 587 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 7: All right. 588 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: I'm playing high school football my senior year. We're playing 589 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: in the state semi final to get to the state championship. 590 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: We run the veer, we run the option, all right. 591 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: Apparently the six foot four gazelle gangly quarterback is really 592 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: good at running the option. I guess because two times 593 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: in the game, I put it in the lap of 594 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: my fullback, ride him, I pull it, I go around 595 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: the end. I went two touchdowns, one of sixty five yards, 596 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: the other one sixty eight yards. Both mid run towards 597 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: the end zone. Inaverton whistle when the fullback went ultimately 598 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: was tackled nearer at the line of scrimmage. We lose 599 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: by four points in the state semi final game to 600 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 2: go to our consecutive, our second consecutive state championship. All right, 601 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: So after the fact, the Montana State High School Association 602 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: came out and talked about how the referees made. You know, 603 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: it's just poor, poor, bad calls that cost us that. 604 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 2: So I guess I do have something like that. And 605 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: I'm forty seven years old and I'm still talking about 606 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: it apparently, So I guess it is something to that 607 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: effect me in a way that that does. But it's 608 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: a perfect example of life isn't fair. 609 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 7: Yeah. 610 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 3: I've been going back and forth with in all week 611 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 3: because I always like to if you can try to 612 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 3: fix an injustice, right, But it feels like the rules 613 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 3: were followed properly by the enforcement of the rules, and like, 614 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: I'm kind of leaning towards Seaton's way of this is 615 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: a dangerous precedent to set that if you have a buzzer. 616 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: To do it, you can't do it. You're exactly right. 617 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, if the Manasquan School, I understand they're going to 618 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 3: fight for it. I understand the local lawyer is going 619 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: to play to the local crowd and try to fight 620 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 3: for his local community in a little pandering there. But 621 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 3: if you decide a bad call by a ref in 622 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 3: a courtroom, it's like that. That is a wide open 623 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 3: door for New Jersey high school sports that can't be closed, 624 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 3: almost like a precedent. 625 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 2: And guess what this sets up for our next topic 626 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: when we get to our next segment, Because guess it's 627 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 2: all about Reggie Bush and whether he deserves his heisman 628 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: back right. Laws were broken through the NC douable A 629 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: at the time. But now when these rules, of course 630 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: are are much more laxed, when there's collectives, when there's 631 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: marketing firms everywhere you look around in terms of it, 632 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: what is the right thing to do? We're going to 633 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: talk about that next right here on The Dan Patrick Show. 634 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 635 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 636 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP. 637 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: March is here, everybody, and that means it's tournament season. 638 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: The TIAA Big Ten Men's Basketball Tournament tips off soon 639 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: stream A first round doubleheader live Wednesday, March thirteenth, starting 640 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: at six pm Eastern, exclusively on Peacock. Welcome back to 641 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: the Dan Patrick Show, everybody. I'm your host, Ryan Lee, 642 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: filling in for Dan. Seeing some interesting feedback on social 643 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: media platforms. I've heard this one before. I don't know 644 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: if you guys have heard this, but some say some 645 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: believe that I sound like Will Ferrell. I could I 646 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: could hear that. Yeah, yeah, I don't think you would 647 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 2: have thought of it until somebody said it. 648 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 9: Right, I've never once thought it. And then the minute 649 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 9: you said, I was like, oh, okay. 650 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: There's a Will Ferrell to me a little bit. And 651 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: it's not maybe it's a Ron Burgundy. 652 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 7: It's the pacing. 653 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: It's the pacing. Okay, Milk was a poor choice, is that? 654 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 6: Uh? 655 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: Johnny Manziel, of course him and I have been tied 656 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: to one another, uh for some time. Incredible, incredible college 657 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: quarterback for the Texas A and M won a Heisman 658 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: Trophy as a freshman, the first freshman ever to do so, 659 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: and of course, uh, polarizing in terms of what Nil 660 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: looks like these days to what it could have meant 661 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: for him as as a college football player, and he's 662 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: been on you know, there was a there was a 663 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: a document. Won't get into that Netflix, but the tweet 664 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: that he put out a few days ago regarding the 665 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy Reggie Bush and what he's going to do 666 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: in response to. 667 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 3: That, Yeah, man's hell tweeted out, after careful thought and consideration, 668 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: I'm humbly removing myself from the Heisman Trophy ceremony until 669 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 3: Reggie Bush gets his trophy back. Doesn't sit right with 670 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: my morals and values that he can't be on the 671 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 3: stage with us every year. Reggie is the Heisman Trophy, 672 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: do the right thing and say the ball is in 673 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: your court. 674 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: It's not. So let's start from the beginning with it. 675 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: I having listened to Johnny over the last couple of years, 676 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: I do think there's a different perspective and understanding about 677 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: making it about other people. You know, he is, he 678 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: revers the Heisman Trophy. It's something that's incredibly special to him. 679 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: We know that. I do think it's odd, and now 680 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: I understand why some people also think it's odd coming 681 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: from me when I'm speaking out, let's say, against the NFL, 682 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: or in particular, I can look at one scenario when 683 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: Vincent Jackson passed away. I really was emotional around it, 684 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: and I came out and it was pretty hard against uh, 685 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: you know, the NFL and and Troy Vincent and Tracy 686 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: Pearlman and everybody really there on Park Avenue in New York. 687 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: And people immediately their immediate reaction is like, you know, 688 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: that's that's rich coming from this guy, you know who 689 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: you know who wasn't even a you know, a huge 690 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: participant in the NFL. I mean just it just seems 691 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: odd coming from someone like me. And I think it 692 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: probably has been a bit odd to some people that's 693 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: coming from Johnny. Because there are multiple will uh USC 694 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winners, one of them played with them and 695 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: Matt Lionert. Wouldn't this be something that should have been 696 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: done by maybe some of them to have their boys back, 697 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: and because I do think this could go a long 698 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: way for we know what and how important it is 699 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: to have all those former winners there every single year. 700 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it was the biggest thing for me the 701 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: year I went and my dad got to see all 702 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: these former winners that night and be a part of it. 703 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 2: They show up. Not only do they show up, but 704 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 2: it's a big weekend for them, So there would be 705 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: a sacrifice on their part simply because of the hoopla, 706 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: the appearance, fees, things that go into being a former 707 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner. But I think this would go a 708 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: long way. Now, this speaks to the right or wrong 709 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: of what the New Jersey basketball playoff game. We just 710 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: talked about last segment because at the time, all let 711 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: Polly talk about this because he had it very well 712 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: and done succinctly. This morning when we were going through 713 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 2: the rundown, talk to us about the difference between the 714 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: Heisman Committee the NCAA and what the rule that was 715 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 2: ultimately broken and why this became an issue. 716 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 3: So a lot of people think Reggie Bush shouldet his 717 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: Heisman back because now we're in nil territory with so 718 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 3: everything Reggie Bush did back in the day would be 719 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: completely legal now, which is the conventional thinking, and it's 720 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 3: partially true. So Reggie Bush when he was in college 721 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 3: was accused of partnering with a marketing agency and taking 722 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 3: an excess of two hundred ninety one thousand dollars that 723 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 3: was in the Yahoo story by Charles Robinson. During his 724 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 3: career at USC taking money and benefits and the travel 725 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 3: and car and rent free house for him and his family, 726 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 3: and supposedly he did not pay that back to that 727 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 3: marketing agency. Supposedly they narked him out to Yahoo, and 728 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 3: that's why he was stripped of his title, stripped of 729 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: his awards, stripped of his stats, and USC was stripped 730 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 3: of the title win that they had. What would happen 731 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 3: to have to happen now for Reggie Bush to be 732 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 3: get his Heisman. The NCA would have to reinstate Reggie 733 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: Bush and kind of wipe away what happened at the 734 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 3: time fifteen plus years ago. That also the byproduct that 735 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 3: would be they would reinstate USC's national title win, which 736 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 3: seems like even harder thing to do because they don't 737 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 3: usually do that a the NCA. They don't reinstate titles. 738 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: They take them away and they take them away forever. 739 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 3: So both of those things that happen. If those two 740 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 3: things happened, the Heisman Trophy Trust could say, well, now 741 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 3: we're gonna follow suit and give Reggie both the title 742 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 3: and the trophy itself back you stripped of both. If 743 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 3: you go to the Heisman Trust website, there's a lot 744 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 3: of things like what, you have to be in good standing, 745 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: you have to be a model citizen. But the specific 746 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 3: thing it says about the Heisman Trophy is you have 747 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: to be in good standing with the NCAAA as a 748 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 3: Heisman Trophy winner. So that is the rational they used, 749 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 3: and they used to take his away his. 750 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 7: Award, both the title and the award years ago. 751 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: If I was Reggie though, and I like, I'm not 752 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 2: giving that back by the way, like yeah, yeah, well 753 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: you tried to hide it. Yeah, but what do you got, 754 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: Like the Heisman police they show up, you know, with 755 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 2: the SWAT team and saying, hey, we're taking we're taking 756 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 2: it back. 757 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: What actually happened was the Heisman Trophy asked for the 758 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 3: trophy back, right, They went through his agent. His agent 759 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 3: said uh okay ish and they send him a prepaid package. 760 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 3: They have cases for the Heisman. It's this big, huge 761 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 3: case and they paid for the poster. This has actually happened. 762 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 3: They sent it to Reggie Bush and his family and 763 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 3: nothing ever happened, and they made calls supposedly for years. 764 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 3: We reported this and Reggie Bush and his family hid 765 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 3: the Heisman Trophy at the San Diego Hall of Champions 766 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 3: for a few months and it was finally found out 767 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 3: the trophy eventually went back. They took the thing off 768 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 3: that said Reggie Bush on it and put it back 769 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 3: in the Heisman Trophy rotation, so that award, that actual 770 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 3: trophy probably went to a future winner. 771 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 2: This is absurd. That's why I actually, I actually like 772 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: agree with with Johnny Manziel here and what he's doing. Essentially, 773 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 2: let's say the Heisman House commercial, which all those guys 774 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 2: get a kick out of. What if they decide to 775 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: boycott that and not do the Nissan Heisman House right. 776 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 2: Always been the problem with NFL players or high end 777 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 2: football players, especially around unionizing. Okay, there's so many of us, 778 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 2: the opportunity to make money, the opportunity to be in 779 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 2: the Heisman House and be in that commercial. If if 780 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 2: someone says we're going to boycott it, I guess what. 781 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 2: There's someone who's been left out of the Heisman House 782 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 2: for the last five years or so that's gonna jump 783 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 2: at the opportunity. I swear it is. It's just a 784 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: big reason why the NFL union has never been able 785 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 2: to stand up in any sort of labor cop talks 786 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 2: with the NFL because we just we can't solidify together 787 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 2: to do the right thing for one another. When a 788 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 2: guy making thirty six fifty million dollars and another guy 789 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 2: making you know, seven hundred thousand, he needs to play 790 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 2: those four years like he can't consider the possibility of 791 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 2: taking an entire year off because that was his earning potential. 792 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: Where you know, where Aaron Rodgers is gonna make fifty 793 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 2: million dollars this next year. You know, no one can 794 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 2: stand together. So I do think that there's been a 795 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 2: humbling of Johnny Manzil in a way where he felt 796 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 2: like it was an appropriate opportunity to step forward and go, hey, 797 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 2: I know how important this is to me because this 798 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: is the one thing that makes me a success in 799 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 2: the eyes of many people. Of what I did in 800 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 2: college where I'm the Heisman Trophy winner, I'm not going 801 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 2: to go to that and be represented for that. In 802 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 2: response to what the Heisman Trust in NCAA did to 803 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 2: Reggie Bush, now I say did to Reggie Bush, Reggie 804 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 2: Bush committed the acts. We just talked about this with 805 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 2: the New Jersey basketball situation. This was a rule that 806 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 2: was in place during that year. He broke said rule. 807 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: Should it be grandfathered in now that the rules are laxed, 808 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 2: that don't exist anymore. It's the incarcerated marijuana charged individual. 809 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 2: Should he still be incarcerated now because marijuana is legal 810 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: everywhere else in the country. 811 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 7: Here's a bonus of this topic that it compares to. 812 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 3: Let's say you were going to take you know, when 813 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 3: they took away Reggie's Heisman trophy, they didn't give it 814 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 3: to the second place person. They didn't get it to 815 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 3: Vince Shot. They didn't, you know, since he's a runnerup. 816 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 3: Should he have gotten it when it's taken away? 817 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 2: I think I think Vince said he wouldn't accept it anyway. 818 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: But but it's. 819 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 7: Just an interesting byproduct it is. 820 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 2: But we all know we watched it. We saw who 821 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 2: the best player in college football was, probably for the 822 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 2: four years three years he was there. Reggie Bush may 823 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 2: be the best college football player of all time. 824 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 4: Marvin is the stupidest thing in sports. Vacating wins as 825 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 4: if we didn't see them, yeah, and taking away trophies 826 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 4: like we saw Reggie Bush against Presno State. 827 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 2: We saw that play. Yeah, and I see USC as 828 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 2: a three time champion like I don't, I don't, I 829 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 2: don't negate what Reggie Bush did as them not winning 830 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 2: that national championship that year. I think that's I think 831 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 2: that's absolutely asdin and I don't buy into it. And 832 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 2: we all know. I think the NCAA is, you know, 833 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 2: is what it is. They're their biggest time of the 834 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 2: years this month, right, They're a glorified uh you know, 835 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 2: party planning committee is what they are, you know. And 836 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 2: they put together a huge party every March. That's what 837 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 2: they do. Not so much for the women's side of things, 838 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: which is a big part of this. Uh. But yeah, 839 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 2: so this is the this is the big conversation, and 840 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 2: Johnny got it started and people backed it. My my 841 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 2: biggest qualm and all this is like where of the 842 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 2: USC Heisman winners? Why have they not chosen to step 843 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,240 Speaker 2: up to this? To Carson Palmer, to Matt Lionert, Marcus Allen, 844 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 2: you know, Charles White, Charles White wonted, didn't he right? Yeah? Yeah, 845 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 2: where are those guys? 846 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 5: You know? 847 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 2: Do they maybe not believe in it, like, hey, we 848 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 2: went through college and didn't do this, or we don't 849 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 2: want to be found out that we did it, and 850 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 2: so we're not going to stand up or make more noise. 851 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 2: We're just gonna show up and get our get our 852 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: two cents. 853 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 4: And there's one of those Heisman winners from USC that 854 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 4: I don't want defending me. 855 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I don't think anybody wants Oja defending anybody. 856 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 2: I'm happy somebody brought it up. I'm happy to he is. 857 00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 2: He is a former winner, and he should have been 858 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 2: at the four front of all of this. I'm here 859 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 2: to back Reggie Bush. All right, when we come back, 860 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about some moose cutting. I don't know 861 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 2: if we've ever had that conversation here on the Dan 862 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 2: Patrick Show. We'll be right back. 863 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 9: Give the man back his trophy.