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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I am Dale Lolli. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and it is a Wednesday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Cold Wednesday, will Chili.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure is.

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Speaker 1: I can't get out of this cold weather, I guess not.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is like the Riviera for you compared

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Speaker 2: to where you're at, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean temperature wise, it's about the same.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cold out there. Conditions are a little different. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the Steelers still in the aftermath of the playoff

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Speaker 1: loss to the Buffalo Bills, like Tomlin will address the media,

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Speaker 1: I believe tomorrow, so we get that there. But starting

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Speaker 1: to see some things happen around the the league. The

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Speaker 1: Patriots introduced here at Mayo as the new head coach today.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Steelers, there's always in the aftermath

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Speaker 1: of a season, you know, there's it's it's always a

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Speaker 1: strange time. It is a couple of days of reflection

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Speaker 1: or yeah, because you spend so much time, like at

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Speaker 1: this point, had they won, we'd be okay, get strong, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: talking Ravens here, it would be a short.

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Speaker 2: Week, let's go, you know, right, Yeah, after playing on

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Speaker 2: a Monday, right, I mean, things will be one thousand

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Speaker 2: miles an hour. Now, it's kind of like all right,

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Speaker 2: you know, you can kind of exhale a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and you know, things are happening around the league pretty

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Speaker 2: good pace still as they always are, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you caught this, but you know, Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: for example, you mentioned the Patriots. The day after they

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Speaker 2: interviewed Belichick, they told all their existing coaches that they

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Speaker 2: weren't letting interview elsewhere, that you guys can go interview

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Speaker 2: elsewhere if you want. Yeah, things like the little little

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Speaker 2: breadcrumbs being left around, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So you know it's it's it's just it's

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Speaker 1: always a strange time, and so it is it's a

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Speaker 1: time for you know, to start thinking about reflection and

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Speaker 1: things of that nature. So I did want to start

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Speaker 1: to show off today, Matt with talking about on a

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Speaker 1: more broad scope the Steelers rookie class.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll say it's not quite rookie or it's not

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Speaker 2: the way draft time, it's not quite free agent time.

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Speaker 2: There's still games, but not that many teams are left.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, if you if you start looking at

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Speaker 1: and you sent me this earlier, and I saw it

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Speaker 1: on on the ESPN Aaron Shatz with who also does

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Speaker 1: he's the creator of the the whole d v A

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Speaker 2: I can't help myself, but he's going to be a

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Speaker 2: guest on my podcast tomorrow. He's joining Peacock.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe he can explain this to a stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because.

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Speaker 1: We can go through all the classes here. But before

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Speaker 1: you know, he ranked them in terms of clas he

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Speaker 1: how he saw the production the Steelers tenth.

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Speaker 2: I didn't read them all. I just clicked the link

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Speaker 2: a good conversation to have on the on the air.

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Speaker 2: So let's go through it. I mean, I I don't

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Speaker 2: but I would think that they should be pretty high.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this may take us a couple of segments

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Speaker 1: to get through. You know, there's a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: At thirty one the Denver Broncos. Now they didn't have

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not a big men's fan. It's just a

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Speaker 2: about either way, but he didn't work. You better hit.

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Speaker 2: And then they hardly drafted any offensive lineman, which looked

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Speaker 2: I don't think there was any. Yeah, I knew they

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Speaker 1: Uh. At twenty nine was the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 2: You had the number that one overall man stings, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Miami only had four draft picks. They come in at

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Speaker 2: At least the Chan's the best name we've mentioned to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, at twenty seven, the Washington Commanders not great.

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Speaker 2: Quentin Johnson was horrible.

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Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson was first round pick. Then they took to

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Speaker 2: You miss on your first I mean, and these first

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Speaker 1: Minnesota at twenty five, Okay, Jordan Addison in the first round,

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Speaker 2: Rotational dude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe Tipman the center in the second round at

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Speaker 2: Looked like you're starting to come aroun at the end

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Speaker 1: They took Carter Warren out of pitt in the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. At twenty three, the Saints, and this is the

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Speaker 1: Saints are a team that needed a good draft.

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Speaker 2: Oh, big time. They're getting old fast, getting old fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They took Brian Bursey at twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he was bad, but he didn't leap

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Fosky at a Notre Dame in the second round.

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Speaker 1: and then Jake Herner, the quarterback at a Fresno State.

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Speaker 1: He actually showed some stuff late.

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Speaker 2: And again not a lot of splash.

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Speaker 2: You would hope those d linemen end up being foundational

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Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty names so far, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: We heard them more in the off season than we did.

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Speaker 1: You know. At twenty were the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: No, she Rice turned into something, So.

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Speaker 1: They got Felix and Duque and Zoma the defensive endedication.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he plays a ton, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You this is a better receiver draft than that one too.

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Speaker 1: It took one.

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Speaker 2: We did that Dane Mock last year yesterday and I

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Speaker 2: Right, right right? And I didn't love Rice coming out

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Speaker 2: starting to show that I'm not saying to be a

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Speaker 1: Nineteen of Cincinnati. Okay, Miles Murphy in the first round.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't gonna be a starter, but he didn't burst

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they played a lot. They weren't good. Yeah, Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean Torrance the right guards.

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Speaker 1: Dalton Torrens, Dorian Williams play some for him. Justin Shorter

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do one more here. At seventeen, the Baltimore

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Speaker 2: Everyone, Wow, that's awesome. I really respect mel Kiper, but

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Speaker 1: Uh so that was aay Flowers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think jive with me. He played against

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Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be Patrick you know, Patrick Queen's replacement.

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Speaker 2: Over and over and over him like the Steve Smith.

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Speaker 1: No, he's not that brown, you.

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Speaker 2: And I don't object to any of those. I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll get to the top half of this

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Speaker 1: we are going through Aaron Shatz rookie class rankings here

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Speaker 1: from ESPN. Of course, Aaron also does the stuff used

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Speaker 1: to be Football Siders Now he's with FT in Fantasy.

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Speaker 1: You founded that one. But he is of course the

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Speaker 2: And they called him the Godfather of analytics.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: So he's been doing this a long time and does

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Speaker 1: I mention that, Yeah, so we went through the first

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Speaker 2: I mean, there were some offensive stars and they went

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Speaker 2: a lot of those guys went high, But I don't

441
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Speaker 2: consider this a tremendous class overall.

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah, moving on here, we got at sixteen the New

443
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Speaker 1: York Giants. Okay, they got Deontay Banks, the cornerback out

444
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Speaker 1: of Maryland at twenty four.

445
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Speaker 2: He played quite a bit.

446
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Speaker 1: John Michael Schmid's the center out of Minnesota.

447
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Speaker 2: He looks like a keeper, but he missed some time.

448
00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,640
Speaker 2: He also struggled a little bit. Struggle. Yeah, and their

449
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Speaker 2: their O line. Besides Tom has struggled.

450
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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything around him is chaos. Two. Yeah, tough to

451
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Speaker 1: judge center in the middle of when everybody.

452
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,480
Speaker 2: Else in and out of the lineup right in.

453
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Speaker 1: The third round, Jalen Hyatt, the wide receiver out of Tennessee,

454
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,800
Speaker 1: finished with twenty three catches this year.

455
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Speaker 2: He's the deep threat and I could see his role

456
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Speaker 2: growing next year.

457
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Speaker 1: He got a lot of difference between him and Mems really.

458
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Speaker 2: No no hiots, probably even faster.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

461
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Speaker 1: Running back Eric Gray in the fifth round. He didn't

462
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Speaker 1: do much at all. Trey Hawkins, cornerback out of Old

463
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Speaker 1: Dominion in the sixth round. In the seventh round, they

464
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Speaker 1: took Jordan Riley, the defensive tackle out of Oregon and

465
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Speaker 1: Javarius Owen, safety out of Houston.

466
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay, it's not great. Yeah, they got a lot.

467
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Speaker 1: Of play out of at A Banks and he was

468
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Speaker 1: a consideration. You know, people talked about him but potentially

469
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Speaker 1: being a Steeler. Yeah, same thing with John Michael Schmid's

470
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Speaker 1: for that matter.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we both talked about them quite a bit leading

472
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Speaker 2: up to draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. At fifteen the Tennessee Titans. First, they got Skearronsky

474
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Speaker 1: in the first round, Will Levis in the second round.

475
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Speaker 2: He wasn't the you know, we all thought he was

476
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 2: e leade Off double and he was okay, but he

477
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Speaker 2: also had a lot of chaos going around him too.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great. Yeah, ty J Spears in the

479
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Speaker 1: third round.

480
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Speaker 2: I think you're happy with him. Yeah, who was the

481
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Speaker 2: two again?

482
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 1: We'll love us.

483
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, to get him. He's gonna be the starter

484
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Speaker 2: next year.

485
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Speaker 1: Tight end Josh Wiley in the fifth round. In the

486
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Speaker 1: sixth round, it was Jayalen Duncan who ended up playing

487
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Speaker 1: way more than he should have for them. And then

488
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Speaker 1: in the seventh round, it was a Colton Dowell wide

489
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Speaker 1: receiver at a U team Martin.

490
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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean their top three picks are all have

491
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Speaker 2: a chance to be contributors.

492
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again Duncan played a lot. Yeah, well, but

493
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Speaker 1: he played a lot at fourteen. The Raiders.

494
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Speaker 2: A O'Connell played a lot this year. Now, I don't

495
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Speaker 2: think I think he's a backup Tyree Wilson.

496
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Speaker 1: In the first round at seven.

497
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Speaker 2: He didn't do much.

498
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Speaker 1: He didn't do much if anything at all. No, Michael

499
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 1: Mayer in the second round was good.

500
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Speaker 2: I think they were very happy with him, and he

501
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 2: looks like a long term answer, you know.

502
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: Byron Young in the third round. He had several third

503
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Speaker 1: round picks. Are a couple third round picks anyways, Byron

504
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Speaker 1: Young out of Alabama, I'm of the defensive tackle, and

505
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: Trey Tucker, the wide receiver out of Cincinnati. Then they

506
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Speaker 1: took in the fourth round Ja Corey and Bennett the

507
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Speaker 1: cornerback out of Maryland, and Aidan O'Connell the quarterback out

508
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Speaker 1: of Purdue. And then the fifth round was Christopher Smith,

509
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Speaker 1: safety out of Georgia. I think he played pretty decent

510
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: number STAPs for them.

511
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Speaker 2: I was waiting for you to finish, but I was

512
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 2: wondering when the interim head coach took over. The defense

513
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 2: really spiked, and I still didn't really know many of

514
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Speaker 2: the names. I'm wondering if a couple of these mid

515
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Speaker 2: to late round picks and kind of like a rams

516
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Speaker 2: like fashion, started to show themselves a little bit.

517
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they took in the sixth round Amari Bernie, outside

518
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: linebacker out of Florida, and then the seventh round was

519
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: Nesta Jade silvera defensive tackle out of Arizona State. Yeah,

520
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson didn't do much, but you know, Mayor was good.

521
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: Trey Tucker ended up with nineteen catches. Bennett, a cornerback,

522
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: was his starter, then he lost his job.

523
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, all those names are jumping off page.

524
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Speaker 1: As the Indianapolis at thirteen had a just a boatload

525
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Speaker 1: of picks.

526
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Speaker 2: I remember they had a bazillion of them. They took

527
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,479
Speaker 2: other than Downs, all of them looked like underworm models.

528
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: You know, they're all even Richardson.

529
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: You know, they took Richardson in the first fourth overall

530
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 1: in the second round was Julius Brents Bit, the big

531
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Speaker 1: tall cornerback out of k State, Josh Downs. In the

532
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Speaker 1: third round, offensive tackle Blake Freeland, and at a bare

533
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Speaker 1: in the.

534
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Speaker 2: Fourth round, I remember anything. Yeah.

535
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Speaker 1: In the fifth round, Darius Rush, who's now a Steeler,

536
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 1: so you'll see how that works out. I liked that

537
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Speaker 1: pick up.

538
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to pick when the Colts made it.

539
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the other two three fifth round picks. Then they

540
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Speaker 1: took Daniel Scott, the safety out of California, tight end

541
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Speaker 1: Will Mallory out of one of four Miami. Yeah. Yeah,

542
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: running back Evan Hall out of Northwestern and that was

543
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: their fifth round, guys, I think he was on ir Yeah.

544
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Speaker 1: The sixth rind they took Titus Leo, inside linebacker out

545
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: of Wagner. They got Jalen Jones in the seventh round,

546
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: the cornerback out of Texas A and M. I think

547
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Speaker 1: he played. They kept him on the roster over they

548
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: picked picked somebody him because he was more of a slot.

549
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: They're looking more slot.

550
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: Well, you draft three corners. It's kind of a weird situations,

551
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: all right. Yeah, the team because Brent is gonna make it.

552
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's the second round guy. And then Jake

553
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: Wit the offensive tackle out of Northern Michigan in the

554
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: seventh round as well.

555
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Speaker 2: Of course, I'll be remembered for Richardson better or worse,

556
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: you know, but he certainly flashed when he was healthy.

557
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: If he can stay healthy, if he can stay healthy,

558
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: that's right. I mean starting to finish a game. That

559
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: would be the first first step.

560
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: Uh. Another one twelve was New England. They had another

561
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: boatload of picks.

562
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: I think they took a lot of guards.

563
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: And you know, Christian Gonzalez in the first round.

564
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: He looked great, but he didn't last long.

565
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: Got hurt. Yeah, Keyon White in the second round.

566
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: I think they're pretty they're pretty happy with that.

567
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. Marte Mapu inside linebacker at the Sacramento State.

568
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: The third round, such a Patriot tweener safety linebacker guy,

569
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Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, so they're gonna run the same defense,

570
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: so that doesn't change, right.

571
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: Fourth round, Jake Andrews the center out of Troy. Chad

572
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: Ryland the kicker out of Maryland. That was a city.

573
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 2: It was almost laughable.

574
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Speaker 1: Uh. And then city saw the guard out of Eastern

575
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: Michigan in the fourth round. He played.

576
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Speaker 2: I think he was out there roun I know it

577
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: was the end of the year.

578
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: In the fifth round, they took Antonio Maffi, the guard

579
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: out of UCLA and.

580
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: A bunch of guards and centers.

581
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: In this area. Punters and you know, yeah Weird Belichick

582
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: Kayshawn Butte in the sixth round, uh bare along with

583
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: Bryce Baringer, punter out of Michigan State, and the Mario Douglas,

584
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of Liberty in the sixth round.

585
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: Along with they also had another one, a Mere Speed,

586
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: the cornerback out of Michigan State to Mario Douglas.

587
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 2: That's the home run. Yeah, right from where you got him.

588
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: I mean, he was one of the better rookie receivers

589
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: in the league.

590
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: The two hundred and tenth pick in the DRAMs that

591
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: might have saved your entire draft. And then they took

592
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: Isaiah Bolden, the cornerback out of Jackson State in the

593
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: seventh round. That saved you from all those bad punter and.

594
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: They took our kicker.

595
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: They took the Mario Douglas. After a kicker and punter.

596
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, what number were the kickers and punters overall?

597
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: The kicker was Chad Ryland was one to twelve.

598
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: He may have been the worst kicker in the league.

599
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the punter, Brad Bearinger was one ninety two.

600
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: If he made the team. But still you're using pretty

601
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: premium picks on. Well remember just a year ago they

602
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: were like thirty second in DVOA special teams.

603
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well then, and they didn't get any better.

604
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: They didn't fix it with those picks, but it looked

605
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: like they tried.

606
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: At eleven, the Philadelphia Eagles Jalen Carter in the first

607
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: round at nine overall.

608
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a hit, but he calmed down as a

609
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: season went on.

610
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nolan Smith at outside linebacker at thirty. He was

611
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: these Georgia guyst The Georgia defense look in the second

612
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: half of the season looked like garbage.

613
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: Jordan Davis as well.

614
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyler Steen, the guard out of Alabama, and at

615
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: sixty five. At sixty six, they took Sydney Brown out

616
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: of Illinois, a safety.

617
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: He ended up playing, but part of an awful defense.

618
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: Right In the four fourth round, they took Kaylee Ringo,

619
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: the cornerback out of Georgia. He did nothing.

620
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: No, NFL did not like him as much as draft

621
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: next ye.

622
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the sixth trod they took quarterback Tanner McKee

623
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: out of Stanford.

624
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: And then made the team.

625
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: In the seventh round, it was Moro A Jomo the

626
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: defensive end out of Texas. Looking at this, I don't know.

627
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure why they're why they're Jayleen Carter has a

628
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 2: lot of weight. I mean, if we were redrafting, I'd

629
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Speaker 2: take him very high. I mean, I know he'd win

630
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: the first season on Yeah.

631
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: First six weeks of the season, Jalalen Carter was a

632
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: stud and then the last seven eleven weeks of the

633
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: season he was a dud.

634
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was. He really calmed down. And I

635
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: was gonna say about that, and I know it's not

636
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: super noteworthy, but Steen, now that Kelsey retired, Beef Jurgons

637
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: will go from guard to center, and I think Steen

638
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: will be the guard.

639
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but that's not a great class. That's not

640
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: a great clan, right, And then you have the Steelers ten.

641
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: We know the names Roderick Jones, Joey Porter, Keonu Benton,

642
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington, Ni Kurbi, Corey Trice, Spencer Anderson. Every one

643
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: of those guys actually made the roster.

644
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: Oh and you're happy that they're all Steelers.

645
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're happy. And you added Darius Rush and sure.

646
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: So I mean to ask you about this because I

647
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: think from my recollection Anderson was act of every game.

648
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, not every game, but he was.

649
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: I don't remember him being on the the inactive list often.

650
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: If it was, it was a long time ago.

651
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he never got.

652
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: An opportunity because no one never got hurt.

653
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: Nobody got hurt.

654
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, any chance he's the starting center next year. I

655
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 2: know that's a leap of faith. But he did some

656
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: good stuff at camp, and you know, like, I'm happy

657
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: he's around. I mean, I know that much. But he

658
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: could be your sixth guy or you know.

659
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's in the cards right now.

660
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: I think he you know, I think the ideal thing.

661
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about a seventh round draft pick.

662
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: Oh, I know.

663
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: I think the ideal thing, you know, for them, if

664
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: it works out that he's your swing guy on the interior, he's.

665
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: Cheap and then they're happy with that, no question. I mean,

666
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: that's a home run if you get that out of

667
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: a seventh round pick. I think they're going to address

668
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: center in a much bigger way with signed someone. I mean,

669
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: I don't think he's oh, we got this sleeping giant there.

670
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you.

671
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: But it also brings me to Trice like he's really attractive,

672
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: you know, he looks like Joey and these But a

673
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: lot of people I talk to friends whatever, like, well,

674
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: well Trice will just be the starting quarner neeckt yar.

675
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's a leap of faith.

676
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: I think there's a better chance of Darius rush Is

677
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: to start is a starting cornerback.

678
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: The way I look at both those guys is I

679
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: just want to get them to camp and everything to

680
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: get out of them is wonderful. But I'm not count

681
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: on either to be the starter, you know, like the

682
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: next quorter.

683
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you.

684
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

685
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: But I mean they got a lot of snaps of

686
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: that rookie class, more so than some of these other yeah,

687
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: any of the other teams below them.

688
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: I think so, And I obviously was doing a podcast

689
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: today about it. But I do think the two Georgia guys,

690
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: coincidentally with Jalen Carter and all these dudes, hit a

691
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: little bit of a rookie wall too. I mean they

692
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: played a lot and Proderick Jones led the team in

693
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: preseason snaps. I mean they played like double the snaps

694
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: they did at Georgia for Steelers.

695
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that was one of the reasons why

696
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: they didn't play the Merlin I know, I know, because

697
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin didn't want them hitting that rookie wall and it,

698
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, may end up costing Joey Porter junior defensive

699
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, right, because everybody's well, he didn't

700
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: play early in the season.

701
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: He was playing, he played, some of them were ten

702
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: snaps summer twenty and then eventually just took over played

703
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: every snap, right, And the same with Roderi Jones for

704
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: that matter.

705
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he ended up playing way more snaps than

706
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter. I'm sure, like three hundred and fifty more

707
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: snaps than Jalen Carter.

708
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, obviously that position rotates where

709
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: Porter doesn't. But still he was not a starter for

710
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: a while at nine.

711
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Let's see if there's any of these teams that we

712
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: would say the Steelers draft class was better. It's what

713
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: I should ask Aaron about. Yeah, yeah, okay, he has

714
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: Arizona next.

715
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: They're very happy with Paris John's.

716
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: Parris Johnson at won and he sixed over all. They

717
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: met sure Bjjulari in the second round, Garrett Williams in

718
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: the third round, along with Michael Wilson, so you get

719
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: the cornerback in the wide receiver.

720
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: I think Wilson will be their third guy next year,

721
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: give or take.

722
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. At in the fourth round it was John Gaines

723
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: guard out of UCLA, two fifth round picks which was

724
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Clayton Tune and Owen Papo inside linebacker out of Augburn,

725
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: and then they had two sixth drown sixth round draft picks,

726
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: k Trell Clark and Dante Stills. Clark, a cornerback out

727
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: of Louisville, still is the defensive tackle out of West Virginia.

728
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: So just comparing to the Steelers, not that that's a

729
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: bad class, but and I'm sure a lot of those

730
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: names because we don't study it like we do. The Steelers,

731
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: especially the defensive guys, played more than we thought, or

732
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: they may even be more encouraged with them than we

733
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 2: know because that defense is a no name defense. So

734
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: even I think Johnson had a better rookie year than Jones,

735
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: he was drafted ahead of them. But if we basically

736
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: cancel those two out as potential stars rounds two through seven,

737
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: I'd much out of the Steelers. Yeah, there's no Joey

738
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: Porter Jr. On there.

739
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know, yeah, I mean there's nobody

740
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: that's impacted. Was Benton on that on that list defensively, Yeah, that's.

741
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: That's I mean, getting a star like Paris Johnson might

742
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: be is great, but you know that doesn't mean Jones

743
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: might be as well.

744
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: At eight are the Falcons.

745
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: Jonjeon Robins has been used a little better or eight

746
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: overall fantasy folks.

747
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: But Matthew Burser on the guard out of Syracuse.

748
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: I think you were pretty happy with them.

749
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Zach Harrison the defensive end out of Ohio State,

750
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: and the third round, fourth round was Clark Phillips, a

751
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: cornerback out of Utah slot and then two seventh round

752
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: picks to Marco Hellam's safety out of Alabama and Jovon

753
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: Gwynn guard out of South Carolina.

754
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: I'd still take the Steelers over that group. Yeah, I

755
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: think Bejon might be the best back in the league

756
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: if we have this conversation a year from now, but

757
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: the new coach you and we'll see.

758
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: But it's also a runner. Take a running back at

759
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: that's the the argument that people so you don't take

760
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: first round running backs. It's a big difference between taking

761
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: a running back at eight or in the top ten

762
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: and taking one in the bottom half of the first round.

763
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, Bijon has to be a top five guy.

764
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: That's wick, that's worthwhile.

765
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: Right at seven is Seattle. You got Devin Witherspoon. You

766
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: got Jackson Smith and Jigba in the second round. First

767
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: round draft you better hit. In the second round, they

768
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: took Derek Hall and Zach Charboney haul on outside linebacker,

769
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: Serboney the running back. Two fourth round picks Anthony Bradford,

770
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: the guard out of l s u's starter Yeah, and

771
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: Cameron Young, defensive tackle out of Mississippi State in the

772
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: fifth round. Two picks Mike Morris defensive end at of

773
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: Michigan and the center out of Michigan Ola Toomey. Yeah.

774
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: And then uh safety Jerrick Reid out of New Mexico

775
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: in the sixth round, and running back Kenny McIntosh in

776
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: the seventh round.

777
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Good group, Good group. I mean you infused your skilled

778
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: guys with Smith and Jigba and sharbon Ay. I don't

779
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: think Sharbonay is special, but Smith and Jagba could be

780
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: their leading receiver next year. I mean, I think that's

781
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: not crazy. Witherspoon's really good, but him and Porter are

782
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: a wash.

783
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

784
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're comparing the two.

785
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: But you took them at five and twenty the.

786
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: Right, right, I mean, you had the benefit of two

787
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: first round picks. But Aaron's not weighing that. He's just saying,

788
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: right here, what's your rookies do?

789
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Six is Tampa Bay. This is so. It was

790
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: Kelijah Cantsei at nineteen.

791
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: Took him a while, but he started to come on

792
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: pretty strong lately. Yeah.

793
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: In the second round, it was Cody match the offensive

794
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: tackle aut in North Dakota.

795
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: He was really rough, but he's starting to get a

796
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: lot better too.

797
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: At eighty two was Yaya Diabi, outside linebacker Louisville.

798
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: He's had great year.

799
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: Two fifth round picks Servassi a. Dennis had a pit

800
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: and Peyton Durham the tight end at a Purdue. And

801
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: then three six round picks Josh Hayes, cornerback out of

802
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: k State, Trey Palmer, the wide receiver out of Nebraska,

803
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: and Jose Ramirez, the outside linebacker out of Eastern Michigan.

804
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: Trey Palmer scored this weekend. I mean he's just a

805
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: pure burner type guy. That's a really good class, and

806
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: I would take the Steelers over it, I really would.

807
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: But I mean I'd rather Benton than Canty. Yeah, there

808
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 2: different for yeah.

809
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: Where you used to pay the pick that you used,

810
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: the crap capital that you used. Benton's more of an anchor.

811
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: And I would definitely rather have Jones and Benton over

812
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: Mock and Canty. Yes you know what I mean, ycause

813
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: they're both linemen. Yeah, good class, really good class. But

814
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: I would take the Steelers. I would not make that trade.

815
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: At five is Chicago Darnell Wright at ten solid Gervin Dexter,

816
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: senior defensive tackle out of Florida at fifty three, fifth

817
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: better of the season. Went on fifty six was Tyreek Stevenson,

818
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: the cornerback out of Miami. So that that draft class

819
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: actually matches up exactly, Yeah, I guess it does with

820
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: the fast three picks of the Steelers.

821
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: Tackle D tackle corner.

822
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: So which one would you rather have? Darnel Wright, Gervin Dexter,

823
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Stevenson.

824
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: I'd rather have the Steelers trio. But that's a good trio.

825
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: That's a good trio. Yeah, I'm with you. I'd rather

826
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: have the Steelers Trio.

827
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: I don't think I trade any of them. I'd take

828
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: Porter over any rookie corner Benton versus Dexter, I would

829
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: prefer Benton. Yeah, and I'll take Jones over right. But there,

830
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: that's a really good Tria. Important positions.

831
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: Then they took Zach Pickens, the defensive tackle out of

832
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: South Carolina, in the third round. Fourth round, they had

833
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: two picks Roashawn Johnson and Tyler Scott, the wide receiver

834
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: out of Cincinnati.

835
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: Both played here and there.

836
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifth round was Noah Sule, the inside linebackert of

837
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: Oregon and Terrell Smith, cornerback out of Minnesota. And then

838
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: in the seventh round Travis Bell, defensive tackle at Kannessas State,

839
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: and Kendall Williamson, safety out of Stanford. I knew he was.

840
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: I knew he wasn't a relation to you because he

841
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: went to Stanford.

842
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: Exactly, and he probably is a little more athletic if

843
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: he's a NFL steaty.

844
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: But did the I mean, did the rest of that

845
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: draft class save.

846
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: No to push them, the Steelers over them. But again,

847
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: it's kind of like the Bucks conversation. I have no

848
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: problem with them being there, but I would have the

849
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: Steelers out of.

850
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: Them at four Detroit, Now Detroit should be up there

851
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: had for the top forty five picks.

852
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and many people could how can you take

853
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: a running back and a linebacker and a slot and

854
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: a nose and a court and they took them out.

855
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: Nobody's arguing with that right now. And then they're in

856
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: the final eight.

857
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: Where I was wrong is I actually put a couple

858
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: bucks down on Jack Campbell to win defensive player a

859
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year. Yeah, and he was not great

860
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: for them this year. He struggled as a rookie, but

861
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: the others didn't.

862
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you got Jamior gibbson for at twelve. He

863
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: got Jack Campbell at eighteen, Sam Laporta at tight end

864
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: in thirty four, Brian Branch at forty five.

865
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: Loved all these Oh yeah, besides Campbell, those three were

866
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: all home runs.

867
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: And he took Kendon Hooker at the third round.

868
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: He may never play, I mean, I don't think he's

869
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: like Golf's replacement, but I thought that was a great

870
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: risk to take.

871
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: In ninety six, then they took Broderick Martin to defensive

872
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: tackle out of Western Kentucky, so they know, yeah, I

873
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: mean it had six picks in the top ninety six. Yeah,

874
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: you better hit a home run with this.

875
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a Stafford trade, you know.

876
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Colby Swordsol offensive tackle of William and Mary in

877
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: the fifth round, and then Antoine Green wide receiver out

878
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: of North Carolina in round seven.

879
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Great class.

880
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: The first four guys are kind of foundational pieces for them.

881
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: Gibbs is electric. I mean, like we talk a lot

882
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: of fantasy, like Gibbs might go in the first round

883
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: in fantasy next year. Laporta probably is gonna be the

884
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: first tight end off the board. Branch Is we both loved, Yeah,

885
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: lived up to every bit of it and more, you know. Yeah,

886
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: but you could still have the argument, would you trade

887
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: Joey Porter for Brian Branch right now? I wouldn't because

888
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: what he does position? Yeah, yeah, definitely an addition.

889
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: But I still love that draft class.

890
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: I mean in midst gray class. Yeah, it is.

891
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: At three is green band Green Bay had a ton

892
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: of picks. You got Lucas van Ness, they go around

893
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: late year, Luke Musgrave in the second round, along with

894
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 1: Jayden Reid in the second round.

895
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: Like that.

896
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so three of the top fifty picks.

897
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 2: Both those tight ends are going to like a lot.

898
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: Then they came back in the third round and took Tucker.

899
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: Craft and they both played quite a bit this year.

900
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: They do that all the time, take multiple picks. In

901
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: the fourth round, they took Colby Wooden, the defensive tackle

902
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: out of Auburn. In the fifth round, they had two picks,

903
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: Sean Clifford, the quarterback out of Penn State, and don

904
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: Tavian Wicks, the wide receiver out of Virginia.

905
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: Wixer's really coming on strong too.

906
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: They do that as well.

907
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: They took three wide receivers in this draft, three receivers,

908
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: two tight ends.

909
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: In the sixth round, they took Carl Brooks, the defense

910
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: defensive end out of Bowling Green. And then they took

911
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: kicker Andre Anders cars Carlson out of Auburn in the

912
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: sixth round.

913
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's their kicker or not. I

914
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: think he is. Yeah, they were here, names familiar.

915
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: In the seventh round, Carrington Valentine, who played a lot

916
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: for him cornerback. They took Loun Nichols, running back out

917
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: of Central Michigan. He did not play much. UH and

918
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: Uh Anthony Johnson Junior the safety out of Iowa State

919
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: and Grant Dubos, the wide receiver out of Charlotte.

920
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: So it took a little time, but that young receiving

921
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: corps that they drafted to go with love has really

922
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: come on like gang Bus. Yeah, I mean it did

923
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: the trick. It's what they wanted from him, and it

924
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: did the trick.

925
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Carlson made it eighty two percent of his kicks

926
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: field goals and so which it's a little below average. Yes,

927
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: he's also kicking green He's also kicking in Green Bay

928
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: in Chicago.

929
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, places like yeah, yeah, right, so that that sounds

930
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: like they're probably he.

931
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: Was better than the Patriots kicker, Yes, and the Niners

932
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: kicker and the Niners kicker who both I believe went

933
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: ahead of him.

934
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: I know the Niners kicker did.

935
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so did the Patriots.

936
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: Did he was he higher than that? Okay?

937
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: Uh? Number two is the Rams.

938
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: I said, the Rams have to be pretty solid.

939
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Steve Avia, Byron Young, Kobe Turner, Stetson, Bennett, Nick Hampton,

940
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: the outside linebacker at Appalachian State, Warren McClendon offensive tackle

941
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: out of Georgia, Davis Allen, tight end at Clemson, Pooka

942
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: Nakua in the fifth round at win seventy seven, Trevius Hodges, Tomlinson,

943
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: the cornerback at a TCU in the sixth round along

944
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: with O'shawn Mathis the outside linebacker in Nebraska, and Zach

945
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: Evans are running back at of Ole Miss. Three seventh

946
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: round picks. They also took up unter Ethan Evans. Then

947
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: they took Jason Taylor, safety out of Oklahoma State, and

948
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: DeShawn Johnson Dishwan Johnson, the defensive end out of Toledo

949
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: so real quick.

950
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: On the rams, everyone talks about how over the years

951
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 2: they don't care about draft picks. No, they care about

952
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: draft picks. They make a ton of picks. They just

953
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: don't have first round picks, so they've traded them for

954
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey or Stafford or whatever. This is another draft

955
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: like that. Now they have a first round picks going forward.

956
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: Their first three were hits. Hookah is a home run obviously,

957
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 2: and then a couple of other defensive guys are starting

958
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: to get more and more playing time. Yeah, good group.

959
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: And then number one Houston because well they had two

960
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: of the first three picks. It's tough to screw that up. Yah, yeah,

961
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: and they did not. They took CJ. Stroud, Will Anderson,

962
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: Jews Scrugs at center played some for them, Tank Dell

963
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: in the third round, Dylan Horton, a defensive end at

964
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: of TCU, Henry Totu in the fifth round played a

965
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: lot for them. Jared Patterson the center at a Notre

966
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: Dame in the sixth round, Xavier Hutchinson the wide receiver

967
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: out of Iowa State, and then the seventh round was

968
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: Brandon Hill the safety had a pit.

969
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Stroud's the best pick in the whole draft. Yeah,

970
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: and will Anderson's not far off. He's probably a top

971
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: ten but you paid a lot for them. Of course,

972
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 2: Tank Dell in the.

973
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: Third round is not quite pooking the coup in the fifth.

974
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: But not too far off.

975
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: Right, shows you can get those wide receivers. Yeah, impact

976
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the third You know they don't have

977
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: to be first to top two rounds to get an

978
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: impact wide receiver, right.

979
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: I mean Dell was small and the Kua was slow,

980
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean they're bad. Right, So yeah.

981
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: But I honestly, for me, I would I would put

982
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: the Steelers draft class fifth no worse than no lower

983
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: than like seventh.

984
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean we're definitely partial because we watched

985
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: every snap of all of them. It's a little different,

986
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: but you get a foundational corner, a defensive tackle who

987
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: was very impressive, a tight end that played a lot.

988
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, but the Chicago was fifth, and we talked

989
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, their draft was Their draft was comparable,

990
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: especially in the first three rounds of what the Steelers

991
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: did and the Steelers you.

992
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 2: Know, I mean I might put Houston's first if they

993
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: only took Stroud. Yeah, I mean, right, You've got a

994
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: foundation quarterback, cop ten type quarterback the next you know,

995
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: so that's worth it. No one else got that quarterback.

996
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyways, interesting list, We're gonna get to a break.

997
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lallie. You're listening

998
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back.

999
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Allie. He is the Matt Williamson and this

1000
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt we

1001
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this yesterday, Mike Tomblin telling

1002
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: his team that, hey, I'm going to be back next year,

1003
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: you know. So the next step for the Steelers is

1004
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: to uh is to get an extension done of some

1005
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: type here, maybe whether it's you know, one more year,

1006
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: two more years after this this season.

1007
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really rare that a coach goes in

1008
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: as a lame duck, especially yeah, I mean never.

1009
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: I remember what that season was. You know, Bill Coward

1010
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: did that No. Six and it hung over the team's

1011
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: head all season long.

1012
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: Really really, I mean like you see it in college

1013
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: a lot, which messes up recruiting, and but NFL it

1014
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: rarely happens rarely, especially an established coach.

1015
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: So people are looking at this situation with the Steelers,

1016
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to so if you look at

1017
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: the four teams who were in the finals. Here, the

1018
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: final four teams in the AF you got Houston with Stroud, Yeah,

1019
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: Baltimore with Lamar Jackson, Buffalo with Josh Allen, Kansas City

1020
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes. That doesn't even bring into the picture

1021
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: of some other great you know, we didn't have Burrow

1022
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: this year.

1023
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Herbert Laurence.

1024
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: Herbert didn't make it. Lawrence didn't take the step forward

1025
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: that everybody thought. People look at. I just look at

1026
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: this situation with what the Steelers did this year. Yea

1027
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: at quarter with their quarterback situation. I don't know what

1028
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: they were paying, you know how they're their pay scale

1029
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: ranked with everybody else at that position, is.

1030
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: The one making the money. Yeah, and he was the

1031
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: worst of three.

1032
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: And obviously Stroud's not making a ton, but he was

1033
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: the second overall picking the draft. Yeah, it's still a

1034
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: huge investment. I can't we I talked about when we

1035
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: came back Monday. People are now killing Mike tomlaugh. I

1036
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: can't believe they lost that game to the Bills. Like,

1037
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: what did you want?

1038
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that.

1039
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: You went into You went into a game against you

1040
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: were you were on a huge you were the biggest

1041
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: underdog of the weekend last weekend. Now that being said,

1042
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: you know, the Steelers had opportunities here to win some

1043
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: other games. Yeah, in the playoffs, but were they going

1044
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: to catch Baltimore?

1045
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: You mean they did chances during the season. Yeah, the

1046
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: game winnable games, I mean.

1047
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: The Patriots Baltimore one thirteen. Yeah.

1048
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: No, I'm not sure I get your point though.

1049
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm just not I'm just like everybody. They would have

1050
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: been so much better if they had not lost those

1051
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: two games.

1052
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I'm not sure that makes them a

1053
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: contender all of a sudden, or beat the Bills. Because

1054
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: they win those two games.

1055
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have played the Bills.

1056
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: They would have went on the roads.

1057
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: They would have been the team going to Houston.

1058
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess I like their chances better against

1059
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: Houston than the Bills. But there's still a dog in

1060
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: that game. Yeah, you know, on the road as a

1061
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: wild card.

1062
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 1: Cleveland wasn't a dog to Houston, even though they should

1063
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: have been.

1064
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess the Steelers could have been the

1065
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: Browns version.

1066
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: So when you talk about you know, we've talked about

1067
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year and you've you've been in a.

1068
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: Favor of mcveigh's, would be my vote.

1069
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean Stefanski's a guy that's going to

1070
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: get a lot.

1071
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: He's actually the leader in Vegas.

1072
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: He lost a playoff game in which he was favored

1073
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: right convincingly.

1074
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: See I guess is it worse to lose a playoff

1075
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: game that you're favored in convincingly or is it worse

1076
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: to be a dog against a good team. I think

1077
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: the brown situation is worse and.

1078
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Played a much more competitive game. I know it was

1079
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: twenty one nothing early but they were much more competitive.

1080
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: It was a much more competitive game competitive the Steelers

1081
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: and Bills. There wasn't a ton of difference there.

1082
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: Right.

1083
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: Again, I'll go back to if TJ Want plays in

1084
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: that game, they might win that game. They might not,

1085
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: but he might make a player two in that game.

1086
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: They keep it much more competitive than the final score

1087
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: was not indicative of how the game was played after

1088
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: the first ten minutes.

1089
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: So I think everybody out there and both of us

1090
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: would agree that this past weekend, the Steelers fared better

1091
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: than the Browns. Yes, I mean, I think that's undoubtedly true.

1092
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: I think they played a harder opponent and they played

1093
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: them tougher. No matter what the spread is, or who

1094
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: the favorite is or whatever. I mean, both are on

1095
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: the road. I guess a question is what franchise had

1096
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: a better season. They're both done, right, Steelers or Browns.

1097
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: Browns had a better record, but performance was uglier. Yeah,

1098
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: and that's how things ended. They both went through seven

1099
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: quarterbacks between them, you know, and and sort of you know,

1100
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: Flacco's kind of like the Rudolph. They chose a different

1101
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: guy at the end. You know, there wasn't the original two.

1102
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: Some of it were injuries. Of course, you don't go

1103
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: through seven by accident, you know, on purpose. They lost Chubb.

1104
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 2: The Steelers had some injuries as well, and no one

1105
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: got killed by injuries or complain that. And I'm not

1106
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: going to put Watson there like he's you know, derailed

1107
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: the whole ship because he hasn't been good ever in

1108
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: that uniform or.

1109
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: And now there again they're stuck with him next.

1110
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: Year, right, I know what team I'd rather be going forward.

1111
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: It's even close, yeah, to be honest with you, because

1112
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: of the marriage they have with with that guy. And

1113
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: then on the first round pick this year. I think

1114
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: it is debatable though who had a better season? I

1115
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: mean from week one till now elimination? Which was I

1116
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: mean who had the better year? Well, if you look

1117
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: at pretty close and everyone thinks the Browns are this

1118
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: huge success story, and that's what I was.

1119
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: That's where I was going with that, Like somehow Stefanski

1120
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: did an amazing job and Tomlin did not.

1121
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: And he did such an amazing job he fired his

1122
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 2: whole offensive staff. That fired the entire offense or sex

1123
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: for the O line coach was like a legend, right,

1124
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: and I and he's the off he's the he's the

1125
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: offensive guy, right, Like that was weird to me to

1126
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: begin with. Too, is like if the Browns just not

1127
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: fired anyone in a while, and they're getting itchy, so

1128
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: somebody had to go. I mean, they could call me

1129
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: back up and fire me again and make them happy,

1130
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: put me on the payroll for a month, can be

1131
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: and you know, give me a couple of.

1132
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: Bucks, and maybe they walked into the walked into the

1133
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: building and they drew straws, like okay, you guys are gone.

1134
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: Somebody's got to go fired anyone in two years, you know,

1135
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: getting it trigger itchy trigger figure here. We had too

1136
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: much success, you know, so we didn't win the Super Bowl,

1137
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: so somebody's got to go. Why did you fire the

1138
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: whole offensive staff? I don't understand, right, they went through

1139
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: four quarterbacks and got in the playoffs, and he's the

1140
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: coach of the Year candidate and he's the offensive guy.

1141
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: Like not all these things are adding up here.

1142
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: He won one more game than the Steelers did, and oh,

1143
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: by the way, didn't play nearly as difficult as schedule

1144
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: as the Steelers did, especially when you look at who

1145
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: they played, Like when they played everybody was put pointing

1146
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: to the well they beat Detections down Christmas Eve, y

1147
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: Estroud didn't play and they had like six guys, six

1148
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: starters who didn't play in that game, including their quarterback.

1149
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: I mean, every team, including the Steelers, got some breaks

1150
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: of they didn't get borrow every time they play. I mean,

1151
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: I get that, they.

1152
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: Got they got Davis Mills. Yeah, they played all kinds

1153
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: of crap quarterbacks this year, but they definitely that was

1154
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: the week to play Houston.

1155
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: Oh my god, if you could pick any of the

1156
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: eighteen that they played, that's the week you want to

1157
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: play Houston.

1158
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: So they had some quarterback luck this year, and that

1159
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: that goes along with I get it.

1160
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: Right, everybody gets Lamar two. I get that too.

1161
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: I think did the Rams started their backup quarterback against

1162
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: mister It wasn't Stafford. It wasn't Stafford. So I mean,

1163
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: I look at this season overall and the fact that

1164
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: the Steelers beat eight teams that had winning records this season,

1165
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: and there were only two teams that were better, had

1166
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: a better winning percentage against winning teams than them, only.

1167
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: Lost one division game, Yeah, lost Brown Division there.

1168
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: I thought there were some steps made this year.

1169
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: Too, but It's kind of an interesting parallel. One one

1170
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: seasons looked at as a great success, he might be

1171
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: Coach of the Year. The other one. I don't know

1172
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: that anyone saying the Steelers had a bad year, but

1173
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: they lose the Buffalo and of course people were matt

1174
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: at Tomlin again, you know.

1175
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: Like would they feel would they have felt better about

1176
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: this if the Steelers had beaten Arizona, New England?

1177
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: Maybe worse because like, how could a twelve win team

1178
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: not be more competitive in Buffalo? Yeah, but you're still

1179
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: the same dudes, Yeah what you didn't have?

1180
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: What?

1181
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you're still a different quarterback than you would

1182
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: have for those games.

1183
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: Just just I mean, I just like to take a

1184
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: step back and look at these things a little bit,

1185
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: have a little perspective on the whole thing.

1186
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: But that the Brown Steeler perspective is interesting. You know,

1187
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: ones considered coach the year. Half our listeners want Tomlin,

1188
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: not the return next time. I mean, I know people

1189
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: just want change and whatever, But still I don't.

1190
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: Know the bottom line is I mean, there the Browns

1191
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: have invested way more in the quarterback position times a thousand,

1192
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: times a million more than Yames times actually about two

1193
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million.

1194
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly more than any tea in the league.

1195
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: They invest in the quarterback, and.

1196
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: You know, so we'll see what the Steelers do at

1197
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: that position this year. We'll see in this offseason, we'll

1198
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: see how they continue to tweak this roster. Yeah, but

1199
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: I like the way that the direction that they're heading

1200
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: in in their roster build.

1201
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: So back to the Browns and the quarterback thing. One

1202
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: of my thoughts when I saw that they fired, you know,

1203
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: running back coach, offensive coordinator, et cetera. Are they just

1204
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: blaming those guys for not getting enough out of Watson?

1205
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: Maybe?

1206
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean I think that, Or do they just having

1207
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: fired in in a while and need to do that.

1208
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a little game of survivor. Anyways, we're gonna

1209
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Speaker 1: get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson. I'm

1210
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Speaker 1: dale Llie. You're listening to Steelers Nation Radio here on

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio. We're gonna take a break. We'll be back

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