WEBVTT - D-backs Get Lars Nootbaar, Fail to Land Starter As Rivals Load Up at Trade Deadline 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.680 Hello and welcome to another episode of Snake's Territory, part 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.319 of the Foul Territory Network. Be sure to like this video, 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.599 subscribe to our channel, maybe leave us a five star 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.880 review wherever you get your podcasts. I am Jesse Friedman 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.120 alongside Jack Summers and Jack There's no sugarcoating things here 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.400 on Snake's Territory. The MLB trade deadline has come and gone. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.800 The Diamondbacks did make a move. They acquired outfielder Lars 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.400 Nootbar in a deal with the Saint Louis Cardinals. However, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.880 they did not acquire any pitching, and the vibes around 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.559 this baseball team have been very negative here in the 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:45.440 past hour or two. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.800 Yeah, it was a very somber in the clubhouse. You 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.800 could feel the disappointment talking to some of the players, 0:00:55.360 --> 0:01:00.920 and clearly in talking to Mike just now, the fresh 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.600 tration was palpable. I mean, he's as frustrated as everyone 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:05.400 else right now. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.680 The Diamondbacks, as I said, they did get Lars snoop 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.240 Bar for a package of three players. Will dive into 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.040 that a little bit later in the show. But unfortunately, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.399 as you just alluded to, really the biggest storyline of 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.040 the deadline for the Diamondbacks is what they were unable 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.600 to do, and of course there was a desire to 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.039 go out and get pitching. Mike Hasen was very clear 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.880 about this that pitching and and a left handed bat, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.399 those were one in one A on the Diamondbacks priority 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.280 list entering the deadline. D Backs unable to get pitching. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.000 And here is a quote from Mike Hazen who just 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.800 addressed the media. I know that you were out there 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.240 for this the question how close were you on a pitcher? 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.520 And Mike was very quick to react. He said, a lot, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.280 very close. Multiple We had some things just not go 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.480 our way. It didn't happen for us. We took some 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.480 runs at a lot of the pitchers, We made a 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.600 lot of player available, it just didn't happen for us. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.040 We offered a lot so all the way to the 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.440 top of our farm system, et cetera. I had to 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.280 draw the line on the major league team. On some level, 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.880 there were some of those ass Taking guys off the 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.560 major league team comes with a bigger risk taking guys 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.920 out of the bullpen, taking younger players off the team 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.079 that we need. But from a prospect standpoint, I felt 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:25.040 like we were very aggressive, and Jack, you sent me 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.959 the video of Hazen saying these words, and I think 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.320 the video spoke even more to his feelings on this, 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:37.720 even beyond what is clearly a frustrating, very frustrating quote 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.639 that we just read. He clearly was not happy about this. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.360 He really wanted to be able to do more. And 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.200 ultimately the Diamondbacks swung and missed on pitching, as some 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.680 of their rivals in the wild card race were able 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.000 to have quite a bit of success. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.079 Yeah, and what it boiled down to clearly was that 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.000 the Diamondbacks did not have the prospects to match up 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.680 up with other teams. You know, for example, Cash Mayfield, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:09.440 the number two prospect in the Padres organization, was clearly 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:14.440 more desirable for the Detroit Tigers than anybody that Mike 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.400 Cason was willing to offer. He had already dealt Daniel Egan. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.200 I'm going to assume that David Hageman was on the 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.360 table when he says all the way to the top 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.280 of his farm system. Well, you know, David Hageman was 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.640 the consensus top rated pitching prospect. And so if David 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.400 Hageman isn't going to be enough to get it done, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.720 to get you amies, then you got beat. As simple 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.400 as that, he got beat. And that's that's really what 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.040 the frustration comes from. Now, Why isn't their farm system 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.559 strong enough? Why don't they have enough strong pitching prospects 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.640 to bring home some of these rentals or you know, 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.240 guys with a year ConTroll or two. That's another whole topic. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.120 We've talked about it before, but that's also under my 0:03:58.240 --> 0:03:59.000 Cason's ledger. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.440 Yeah, I mean, I think that maybe more than anything, 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.080 the results or lack thereof at the trade deadline is 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.960 an indictment on this Diamondbacks farm system. The fact that 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.560 the top end of this Diamondbacks farm system just is 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.560 not as high end as a lot of other teams. It, 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.120 as you said, appears that Cash Mayfield was more a 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.880 more intriguing prospect than what the Diamondbacks could offer. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:26.120 There. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.520 It appears that, you know, the Mets were able to 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.320 get a pretty nice package for Clay Holmes, and you 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:39.680 know that package included a top sixty five prospect in 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:45.400 baseball from the Chicago Cubs in Jefferson Rojas, and the Diamondbacks, 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.320 at least according to MLB Pipeline, their highest ranked prospect 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.479 is Demetrio Croissantis at number eighty five. They do not 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.960 have a starting pitcher in the top one hundred, so 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.159 I think it's clear Jack that like the prices were high. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.920 I mean, like the Cubs going out there and being 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:05.240 willing to give up that much in exchange for you know, 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.920 two months of Clay Holmes. I know they got Tyrone 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.160 Taylor and that deal as well, but that's I mean, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.599 that's a lot. Like giving up a top sixty five 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.320 prospect is a lot. And you know, I think the 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:19.000 Padres trading Cash Mayfield, who they just took in the 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.520 first round, I believe within the last year or two. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.600 I mean, that's also a lot. Like the asking prices 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.680 were clearly high there. It is a bit of a 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.400 backbreaker to give up that much for two months of 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.279 a starting pitcher. And yet it was clear from Mike 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.920 Haysen's reaction that like he was still willing to make 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.400 himself uncomfortable to make this happen. Here's another quote that 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.000 we have from Hazen. He was asked, is this one 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.320 of your more frustrating deadlines? And he said, yeah, I 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.880 think it's frustrating in the sense of watching the way 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.440 the team played, and wanting to do your part to 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.320 add in wherever you can. We've got a really good 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.680 player and we have a really good team. So I 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.960 know that it's still a little raw for me right now, 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.440 just the last week, the work that was put in, 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.320 and that's what I'm going to reflect on, and I 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.440 hope that we go out there and continue to play 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.240 the brand of baseball that we've been playing the last 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:16.159 few weeks. This was not a situation where the Diamondbacks 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:22.240 are are sitting and feeling okay that they have starting 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:26.200 pitching coming back and they're feeling good banking on that. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.480 This is a situation where Mike Kaysen is like, no, 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.000 Like I really wanted to do more and I wasn't 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:32.400 able to. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.200 Yeah, he pushed his chips into the middle and he 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.919 lost a hand. It's that simple. I know. Look, I 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.320 know a lot of people are very upset and frustrated. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.640 The only thing I want to clarify is this isn't 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.880 a situation where Mike was sitting back on his heels 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.600 and wasn't willing to do what it took to bring 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.080 in some players to add He was short of trading 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.480 Ryan Walshmith for a rental, which you know you can. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.359 Some people might feel that he should have done that, 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.560 but I think it's fairly reasonable to say, wait a minute, 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.520 maybe that's a step too far to trade Ryan Walschmidt 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.600 or remove or Kevin Ginkel or somebody like that from 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:16.440 your bullpen, or a good young pitcher like a Brandon Garcia. 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:18.880 I mean, you know, who knows who other teams are 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.520 asking for. He didn't specify, but if you're talking about 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.720 taking guys off the major league roster, probably talking about 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.600 a young reliever, maybe even somebody with control like a Garcia, 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.680 or a young outfielder like a Waltschmidt. And he wasn't 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.320 willing to go that far. But when he came to 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.080 the prospects, he did whatever he could do and it 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.480 just wasn't enough. He fell short because his farm system 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:46.080 falls short. So look, I don't want to sugarcoat anything here. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.040 I just want to clarify this wasn't for lack of effort. 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.920 They tried, they did their best. Their best just wasn't 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:52.440 good enough. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.600 Yeah, I mean, if the price was truly a Ryan 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.080 Waltschmidt in order to acquire one of these rental starting pitchers. 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.440 It's like, well, yeah, I probably wouldn't have done that either. 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.800 So it is a little bit hard to judge from 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.480 the outside when we don't actually know what names were 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:12.000 being discussed there. I guess we can at least talk 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.440 about the move that Diamondbacks did make at this point, 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.560 and that's acquire Lars Newtbar in a deal with the 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.920 Saint Louis Cardinals. Newtbar it does not have fantastic numbers 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.440 this season. He is slashing two thirty four, three thirty three, 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.440 three point fifty four. That's a six eighty nine ops, 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.920 three homer sixteen. RBI missed the first couple of months 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.640 of the season. He had off season surgery on both 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.760 of his heels to correct a deformity of some sort 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.240 in both of his heels. Kind of an odd procedure there. 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.120 He was really good in the month of June. He 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.400 was like the best version of Lars Newbar in the 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.120 month of June. The underlying numbers confirm that. But he 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.240 was not great in the month of July. He had 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:57.280 an OPS in the low five hundreds. And you know, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.319 he is under control for twenty twenty seven as well. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.800 I think there are some things to like here about 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:07.040 Lars Newbar, But I don't think any Diamondbacks fan is 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.680 all that excited about this Lars Newbar. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.520 Are the last three seasons against right handed pitchers, where 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.679 we presume he'll get most of his playing time. His 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.560 OPS is seven forty three, seven thirty four, and seven 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.839 thirty seven. So that's his OPS against right hand pitching 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.800 the last three years and three hundred, four hundred and 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.839 one hundred and fifty played appearances, so about you know, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.360 seven eight hundred and fifty played appearances. It's about a 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:40.800 seven thirty five to seven forty OPS, which is nothing 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.520 to write home about. I mean, you know, he's not 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.160 a righty killer or anything like that. He's a competent 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.280 major league player. He's roughly around the league average major 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:55.200 league player, platoon player. There's a higher floor here maybe 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.120 than what they've been getting from some of the players, 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.880 you know, including Max Kepler. Not that there isn't more 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.880 upside in Kepler's bet, but I think Jesse you pointed 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.920 out to me he's got like a seventy seven WORC 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.200 plus or OPS plus, you know, and a lot of 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.680 the players that they've run through there but haven't really 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.040 done all that well, but at this point in time, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.920 I mean, you know, I'd rather see Ryan walshmid play 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.040 every day, including against right handers, and see if he 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.880 can develop into a full time player, then relegate him 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.920 to a short side platoon role in favor of Lars Newbar. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.120 So color me unimpressed. Jesse. You're going to tell me 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.800 a little bit more about some of the underlying metrics 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.760 and why we might be hopeful that Lars Newbar can 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.400 be better than he's shown the last couple of seasons. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.600 Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to come out and 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.600 say like, oh, this is you know, every Diamondbacks fan 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.360 should be totally jazzed about this, because, frankly, the numbers 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.559 are what they are, and Lars Newbar had over five 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.240 hundred played appearances a season ago, and he also had 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.360 an OPS in the high six hundreds. That said, I 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.959 do think that Lars Newbar is a better player than 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.679 what those numbers indicate. You look at the underlying stuff. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.840 He has a four to twenty three expected slugging percentage. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.680 The barrel rate is nine point two percent, which is 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.280 above average and tells you that there's still some power 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.080 in there. His hard hit rate, his average exit villo. 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.559 Both of those numbers are are excellent this season, and 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.480 he's he's a Diamondbacks type of hitter. I mean, this 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.040 is a guy who runs a really really good chase rate, 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.320 a really really good whiff rate. He doesn't he doesn't 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.040 swing much in general. He does not chase out of 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.000 the zone. He doesn't he doesn't swing in the zone 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.640 maybe as much as you would like either. His overall 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.640 swing percentage this year is thirty six percent, which I 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.560 believe is in the first percentile. It's a very, very 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.760 you could even say, passive approach at the plate. But 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.200 he doesn't strike out much. He draws his walks. He 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.160 has the kind of approach that we know the Diamondbacks value, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.040 and I think there is more power there than what 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:58.440 the numbers indicate. Saint Louis is a brutal ballpark for 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.560 any left handed hitter. We were looking at the ballpark 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.480 factors earlier in Saint Louis has a seventy three park 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:10.000 factor for home runs for left handed hitters, and granted 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.440 it's only seventy nine for Chase Field. Chase Field is 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.079 not great either in that regard, but Chase Field is 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.840 a great ballpark. For hitting doubles and triples for left 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.920 handed hitters, whereas Bush Stadium is not. So I do 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.240 think he gets a boost moving over to Chase Field. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.080 You know, the underlying numbers suggest this is an above 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.400 average hitter despite what we've seen. But at the same time, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.080 if you're not, if you're not feeling so excited about this, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.160 I get it. I'm not here to say that Lars 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.520 new Bar is a world beater and the Dbacs got 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.240 everything that they wanted here. 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.600 Yeah. Well, I mean the other thing too is the cost. 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.679 I mean, Daniel Egan pretty good pitching prospect, right, and 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.680 he was having a pretty nice season. It was on 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.720 a good run. I should say his season full season 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.120 numbers aren't fantastic, but he's been on a fairly good 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.640 run last couple of months, you know, And Daniel Egan 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.200 was a favorite of ours. I mean, you know, I 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.280 know you got to talk to him, you know once 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.440 on our show. I think you did an interview with him, right, 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.080 And also you know we've just followed him pretty closely. 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.080 So he's a tough loss. And for a team that 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.200 isn't pitching rich, you know, you do kind of throw 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.520 hope that you throw enough stuff up against the wall 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.920 and some of it sticks, And there was some potential 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.920 stickiness with Daniel Egan and now that's gone too. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.079 Yeah, Daniel Eagan is a tough loss. There's no getting 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.240 around the fact that when I first saw his name 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.840 as part of this trade package, I was like, WHOA 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.600 that that feels like a lot for you know, one 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:47.240 year plus of a decent but not amazing left handed 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.680 hitting outfielder in Lars Newbar. The Diamondbacks also give up 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.800 left handed pitchers Sandro Santana in this deal as well. 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.880 He's a pretty interesting prospect too. I know he's already 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.840 reliever in Double A man he is. He has had 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.920 an awesome season. It's seventy strikeouts and forty six and 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.040 a third innings split between Hy A Hillsborough and Double 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.840 A Amarillo. He has a two point one four ERA. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.240 I think it's a sub one er since being moved 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:19.280 up to Amarillo. So if you're a Cardinals fan, you're 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.760 probably pretty ecstatic about this package that you got from 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.760 the Diamondbacks. And that doesn't necessarily mean that these guys 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.880 are going to pan out like I do think Daniel Eagan. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.960 There's still some questions there about whether he can stick 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.400 as a starter. It seems like it's more of a 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.040 two pitch mix right now, and there's there's definitely some 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.920 reliever risk in his profile. But you look at MLB pipeline, 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:45.240 that's the Diamondbacks second ranked pitching prospect, behind only David Hageman. 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.880 And he also had to give up Sandro Santana, a 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.000 pretty intriguing young reliever, plus a player to be named 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:52.880 later in order to get this done. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.320 Yeah. Well, look, you know the other thing too, is 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.040 and I've just got to go there because I'd like 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.480 to beat a dead horse. I mean, the Guardians gave 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:10.000 up virtually nothing for Nathaniel Low, and it's hard for 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.240 me to imagine that the Dbacks couldn't have done as 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.480 well or better and not hurt their farm system and 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.240 gotten two months of Nathaniel Low would be a better fit. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.360 You plug him. I mean, they don't need Lars Newbar 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.440 in the outfield. They really don't, especially if Lawler comes 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:29.280 back and actually manages to play thirty forty games. So 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.280 you know, I mean, you could have had a perfectly 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.000 fine designated hitter from the left side that's going to 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:40.080 give you above league average production. For you know, almost nothing. 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:41.880 I mean, the Guardians gave up like a nineteen year 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:47.040 old down an a ball, you know, pitcher, So why 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.280 not just go get Nathaniel Low and a two month rental, 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.800 not block anybody, and not have to give up so 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.000 much and egan in Santana. It just doesn't make sense 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.440 to me, you know, Like, look, I I hope that 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:05.120 Laris Newbar comes in and hits well and makes us 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.800 backtrack on our words, but it just really feels like 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.160 there was a better way to go here, where they 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.000 could have traded a much lower level prospect, gone and 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:18.640 got Nathaniel Low, maybe up their efforts at who they 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.000 would offer, or multiple pictures they could offer to get 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.840 back in the kind of starting pitcher. But look, I 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.000 wasn't part of those discussions, so that kind of second 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.200 guessing isn't really valid, and I want to acknowledge that. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.400 I just don't understand why they couldn't take a different 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.600 approach here, go get Low. I don't know what they 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.000 saw that they had to bring in Laura's Newbar, but 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.600 hopefully he's better than I'm expecting him to be. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.520 I will say, while I don't disagree with you on that, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.560 I think Nathaniel Low, for what felt like a really 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.680 minimal price tag makes more sense. I will just say 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.040 that Lars Newbar is more of a Diamondbacks type player. Like, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.800 even though I agree with you, I'm not really surprised 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.960 that the Diamondbacks went this route. Newt Bar is a 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.160 decent defender. He is a great reputation as a good 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.520 clubhouse guy. He doesn't chase out of the zone, and 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.440 really the big difference between him and Low is is defense. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.400 The fact that Nathaniel Low at this point, I don't 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.400 know if you really want him playing much first base. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.520 His defensive metrics at first base are pretty rough. And 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.600 I know he get DH. I know you're thinking you 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.199 with DH, and I think that too, But if you 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.800 get Nathaniel Low, you're going to have to play him 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.399 at first base sometimes. And we know, we know how 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:37.200 much the Diamondbacks care about defense, and I wonder if 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.280 that was the that was the difference there. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:41.679 No, you get Nathaniel Low, you plug him in at 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.520 your DH. At the most, you give him half a 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.000 dozen games at first base, and you yank him out 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:47.959 of there in the seventh inning for El Tomorrow Vargus, 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.000 I mean Seriously, the guy wouldn't even get one hundred 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.480 innings at first base. You plug him in as your 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.680 left handed DH, period, end of freaking story. I mean, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.280 he's in here as a two month rental. You do 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.720 what you're told. He's not going to come in and 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:04.840 you know, pout in the corner of the locker room 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.960 because he can't go. They can't send him out to 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:08.479 the first base. You don't need to send him out 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.440 the first base at all. He's your left handed DH. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.080 He replaces Adrian del Castillo. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:19.080 Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't, sorry, no, I I 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.840 just think that realistically he would get some time at 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.119 first base, Like there's no way it's going to be 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.479 zero innings. And I but I agree with you. 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:30.560 I agree that isn't going to hurt you. Yeah, half 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.879 a dozen games the first base and you yank him 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.639 in the late innings for Vargas, it's not going to 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:35.000 hurt you. 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.160 Low If you look at if you look at fangrafts, 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.400 I think you know Nathaniel Lowe's projection for the rest 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.840 of the season is actually to be a slightly worse 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.679 hitter than Lars Newtbar. I think it's like a one 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.159 oh six WRC plus projection for Low newt Bar is 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.560 like one oh nine something like that, So I don't know. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.719 Maybe the dbacs are are looking at that and they 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.359 actually think Newt Bar is going to be a better 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.919 hitter the rest of the way. But yeah, I'm not disagreeing. 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.840 I think given the price tag for Nathaniel Low, it 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.320 absolutely made more sense to go do that and not 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.320 give up much than to trade three legitimate players or 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.880 at least two legitimate prospects in order to in order 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.240 to get Lars Newbar. And I guess the other elements 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.439 of this is the Diamondbacks are getting another year of 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.159 control here. But as you've said in the past, that 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.240 extra year of control is we don't know if there's 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.879 actually going to be baseball in twenty twenty seven, so 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.080 it's possible. I don't think this is going to happen, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.600 but it's possible that Lars Newbar actually is just a 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.720 two month rental for this team. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.000 Yeah, well, we'll see how that plays out. I do 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.560 want to kind of circle back on what you just said, though, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:54.960 because it does seem like the inflation for rental players 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.520 was real. I mean, the concern about rental players being 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.919 overpriced tells me that other teams were having you know, 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.240 teams were just having a difficult time pricing in some 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.800 of the controllable player numbers, and so the price for 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.199 rentals did go up. Of course, a lot of that 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:14.600 also has to do with the fact that they just 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.600 weren't enough sellers. You know, two or three more teams 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.800 fall into a hardcore sellers, then there's you know, another 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.320 dozen rental players out there. Maybe that helps ease the 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:28.560 logjam a little bit. So that's probably even the bigger factor. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.280 But I can't help but wonder, as I've talked about before, 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:38.480 just how concerned teams really are behind curtains about whether 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.840 or not twenty twenty seven is going to even happen, 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:42.520 or if they're going to lose a third or half 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:45.560 of the season. And I'll just reiterate on that players 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.399 are already pushing from their side to have the time 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.679 before free agency shortened, and they're never going to vote 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:58.000 to agree to any agreement that pushes out their free agency. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:02.320 Another year's not going to happen. So anyone that's going 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.359 to supposed to be a free agent at the end 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.760 of twenty seven is going to be a free agent 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.520 at the end of twenty seven, whether they play a 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.320 full schedule, a half schedule, or no schedule. 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.280 Yeah, one hundred percent. If there's if we don't have 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.000 baseball in twenty twenty seven, large new bar walks. I 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.120 don't think you're getting it back for twenty twenty eight. 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.640 We have more more to say about what is an 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:30.040 underwhelming trade deadline day for this Arizona Diamondbacks team. We'll 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:34.480 also talk about what happened around the league, what unfortunately 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.160 some of the Dimonbacks contenders in the wildcard race were 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.520 able to accomplish. So don't go anywhere. We'll be back 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:41.920 right after this. Here on Snake's territory. 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.280