Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Snake's Territory, part
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Speaker 1: alongside Jack Summers and Jack There's no sugarcoating things here
Speaker 1: on Snake's Territory. The MLB trade deadline has come and gone.
Speaker 1: The Diamondbacks did make a move. They acquired outfielder Lars
Speaker 1: Nootbar in a deal with the Saint Louis Cardinals. However,
Speaker 1: they did not acquire any pitching, and the vibes around
Speaker 1: this baseball team have been very negative here in the
Speaker 1: past hour or two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a very somber in the clubhouse. You
Speaker 2: could feel the disappointment talking to some of the players,
Speaker 2: and clearly in talking to Mike just now, the fresh
Speaker 2: tration was palpable. I mean, he's as frustrated as everyone
Speaker 2: else right now.
Speaker 1: The Diamondbacks, as I said, they did get Lars snoop
Speaker 1: Bar for a package of three players. Will dive into
Speaker 1: that a little bit later in the show. But unfortunately,
Speaker 1: as you just alluded to, really the biggest storyline of
Speaker 1: the deadline for the Diamondbacks is what they were unable
Speaker 1: to do, and of course there was a desire to
Speaker 1: go out and get pitching. Mike Hasen was very clear
Speaker 1: about this that pitching and and a left handed bat,
Speaker 1: those were one in one A on the Diamondbacks priority
Speaker 1: list entering the deadline. D Backs unable to get pitching.
Speaker 1: And here is a quote from Mike Hazen who just
Speaker 1: addressed the media. I know that you were out there
Speaker 1: for this the question how close were you on a pitcher?
Speaker 1: And Mike was very quick to react. He said, a lot,
Speaker 1: very close. Multiple We had some things just not go
Speaker 1: our way. It didn't happen for us. We took some
Speaker 1: runs at a lot of the pitchers, We made a
Speaker 1: lot of player available, it just didn't happen for us.
Speaker 1: We offered a lot so all the way to the
Speaker 1: top of our farm system, et cetera. I had to
Speaker 1: draw the line on the major league team. On some level,
Speaker 1: there were some of those ass Taking guys off the
Speaker 1: major league team comes with a bigger risk taking guys
Speaker 1: out of the bullpen, taking younger players off the team
Speaker 1: that we need. But from a prospect standpoint, I felt
Speaker 1: like we were very aggressive, and Jack, you sent me
Speaker 1: the video of Hazen saying these words, and I think
Speaker 1: the video spoke even more to his feelings on this,
Speaker 1: even beyond what is clearly a frustrating, very frustrating quote
Speaker 1: that we just read. He clearly was not happy about this.
Speaker 1: He really wanted to be able to do more. And
Speaker 1: ultimately the Diamondbacks swung and missed on pitching, as some
Speaker 1: of their rivals in the wild card race were able
Speaker 1: to have quite a bit of success.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what it boiled down to clearly was that
Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks did not have the prospects to match up
Speaker 2: up with other teams. You know, for example, Cash Mayfield,
Speaker 2: the number two prospect in the Padres organization, was clearly
Speaker 2: more desirable for the Detroit Tigers than anybody that Mike
Speaker 2: Cason was willing to offer. He had already dealt Daniel Egan.
Speaker 2: I'm going to assume that David Hageman was on the
Speaker 2: table when he says all the way to the top
Speaker 2: of his farm system. Well, you know, David Hageman was
Speaker 2: the consensus top rated pitching prospect. And so if David
Speaker 2: Hageman isn't going to be enough to get it done,
Speaker 2: to get you amies, then you got beat. As simple
Speaker 2: as that, he got beat. And that's that's really what
Speaker 2: the frustration comes from. Now, Why isn't their farm system
Speaker 2: strong enough? Why don't they have enough strong pitching prospects
Speaker 2: to bring home some of these rentals or you know,
Speaker 2: guys with a year ConTroll or two. That's another whole topic.
Speaker 2: We've talked about it before, but that's also under my
Speaker 2: Cason's ledger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that maybe more than anything,
Speaker 1: the results or lack thereof at the trade deadline is
Speaker 1: an indictment on this Diamondbacks farm system. The fact that
Speaker 1: the top end of this Diamondbacks farm system just is
Speaker 1: not as high end as a lot of other teams. It,
Speaker 1: as you said, appears that Cash Mayfield was more a
Speaker 1: more intriguing prospect than what the Diamondbacks could offer.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: It appears that, you know, the Mets were able to
Speaker 1: get a pretty nice package for Clay Holmes, and you
Speaker 1: know that package included a top sixty five prospect in
Speaker 1: baseball from the Chicago Cubs in Jefferson Rojas, and the Diamondbacks,
Speaker 1: at least according to MLB Pipeline, their highest ranked prospect
Speaker 1: is Demetrio Croissantis at number eighty five. They do not
Speaker 1: have a starting pitcher in the top one hundred, so
Speaker 1: I think it's clear Jack that like the prices were high.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Cubs going out there and being
Speaker 1: willing to give up that much in exchange for you know,
Speaker 1: two months of Clay Holmes. I know they got Tyrone
Speaker 1: Taylor and that deal as well, but that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a lot. Like giving up a top sixty five
Speaker 1: prospect is a lot. And you know, I think the
Speaker 1: Padres trading Cash Mayfield, who they just took in the
Speaker 1: first round, I believe within the last year or two.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's also a lot. Like the asking prices
Speaker 1: were clearly high there. It is a bit of a
Speaker 1: backbreaker to give up that much for two months of
Speaker 1: a starting pitcher. And yet it was clear from Mike
Speaker 1: Haysen's reaction that like he was still willing to make
Speaker 1: himself uncomfortable to make this happen. Here's another quote that
Speaker 1: we have from Hazen. He was asked, is this one
Speaker 1: of your more frustrating deadlines? And he said, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's frustrating in the sense of watching the way
Speaker 1: the team played, and wanting to do your part to
Speaker 1: add in wherever you can. We've got a really good
Speaker 1: player and we have a really good team. So I
Speaker 1: know that it's still a little raw for me right now,
Speaker 1: just the last week, the work that was put in,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm going to reflect on, and I
Speaker 1: hope that we go out there and continue to play
Speaker 1: the brand of baseball that we've been playing the last
Speaker 1: few weeks. This was not a situation where the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: are are sitting and feeling okay that they have starting
Speaker 1: pitching coming back and they're feeling good banking on that.
Speaker 1: This is a situation where Mike Kaysen is like, no,
Speaker 1: Like I really wanted to do more and I wasn't
Speaker 1: able to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he pushed his chips into the middle and he
Speaker 2: lost a hand. It's that simple. I know. Look, I
Speaker 2: know a lot of people are very upset and frustrated.
Speaker 2: The only thing I want to clarify is this isn't
Speaker 2: a situation where Mike was sitting back on his heels
Speaker 2: and wasn't willing to do what it took to bring
Speaker 2: in some players to add He was short of trading
Speaker 2: Ryan Walshmith for a rental, which you know you can.
Speaker 2: Some people might feel that he should have done that,
Speaker 2: but I think it's fairly reasonable to say, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: maybe that's a step too far to trade Ryan Walschmidt
Speaker 2: or remove or Kevin Ginkel or somebody like that from
Speaker 2: your bullpen, or a good young pitcher like a Brandon Garcia.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, who knows who other teams are
Speaker 2: asking for. He didn't specify, but if you're talking about
Speaker 2: taking guys off the major league roster, probably talking about
Speaker 2: a young reliever, maybe even somebody with control like a Garcia,
Speaker 2: or a young outfielder like a Waltschmidt. And he wasn't
Speaker 2: willing to go that far. But when he came to
Speaker 2: the prospects, he did whatever he could do and it
Speaker 2: just wasn't enough. He fell short because his farm system
Speaker 2: falls short. So look, I don't want to sugarcoat anything here.
Speaker 2: I just want to clarify this wasn't for lack of effort.
Speaker 2: They tried, they did their best. Their best just wasn't
Speaker 2: good enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if the price was truly a Ryan
Speaker 1: Waltschmidt in order to acquire one of these rental starting pitchers.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah, I probably wouldn't have done that either.
Speaker 1: So it is a little bit hard to judge from
Speaker 1: the outside when we don't actually know what names were
Speaker 1: being discussed there. I guess we can at least talk
Speaker 1: about the move that Diamondbacks did make at this point,
Speaker 1: and that's acquire Lars Newtbar in a deal with the
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals. Newtbar it does not have fantastic numbers
Speaker 1: this season. He is slashing two thirty four, three thirty three,
Speaker 1: three point fifty four. That's a six eighty nine ops,
Speaker 1: three homer sixteen. RBI missed the first couple of months
Speaker 1: of the season. He had off season surgery on both
Speaker 1: of his heels to correct a deformity of some sort
Speaker 1: in both of his heels. Kind of an odd procedure there.
Speaker 1: He was really good in the month of June. He
Speaker 1: was like the best version of Lars Newbar in the
Speaker 1: month of June. The underlying numbers confirm that. But he
Speaker 1: was not great in the month of July. He had
Speaker 1: an OPS in the low five hundreds. And you know,
Speaker 1: he is under control for twenty twenty seven as well.
Speaker 1: I think there are some things to like here about
Speaker 1: Lars Newbar, But I don't think any Diamondbacks fan is
Speaker 1: all that excited about this Lars Newbar.
Speaker 2: Are the last three seasons against right handed pitchers, where
Speaker 2: we presume he'll get most of his playing time. His
Speaker 2: OPS is seven forty three, seven thirty four, and seven
Speaker 2: thirty seven. So that's his OPS against right hand pitching
Speaker 2: the last three years and three hundred, four hundred and
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty played appearances, so about you know,
Speaker 2: seven eight hundred and fifty played appearances. It's about a
Speaker 2: seven thirty five to seven forty OPS, which is nothing
Speaker 2: to write home about. I mean, you know, he's not
Speaker 2: a righty killer or anything like that. He's a competent
Speaker 2: major league player. He's roughly around the league average major
Speaker 2: league player, platoon player. There's a higher floor here maybe
Speaker 2: than what they've been getting from some of the players,
Speaker 2: you know, including Max Kepler. Not that there isn't more
Speaker 2: upside in Kepler's bet, but I think Jesse you pointed
Speaker 2: out to me he's got like a seventy seven WORC
Speaker 2: plus or OPS plus, you know, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the players that they've run through there but haven't really
Speaker 2: done all that well, but at this point in time,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'd rather see Ryan walshmid play
Speaker 2: every day, including against right handers, and see if he
Speaker 2: can develop into a full time player, then relegate him
Speaker 2: to a short side platoon role in favor of Lars Newbar.
Speaker 2: So color me unimpressed. Jesse. You're going to tell me
Speaker 2: a little bit more about some of the underlying metrics
Speaker 2: and why we might be hopeful that Lars Newbar can
Speaker 2: be better than he's shown the last couple of seasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to come out and
Speaker 1: say like, oh, this is you know, every Diamondbacks fan
Speaker 1: should be totally jazzed about this, because, frankly, the numbers
Speaker 1: are what they are, and Lars Newbar had over five
Speaker 1: hundred played appearances a season ago, and he also had
Speaker 1: an OPS in the high six hundreds. That said, I
Speaker 1: do think that Lars Newbar is a better player than
Speaker 1: what those numbers indicate. You look at the underlying stuff.
Speaker 1: He has a four to twenty three expected slugging percentage.
Speaker 1: The barrel rate is nine point two percent, which is
Speaker 1: above average and tells you that there's still some power
Speaker 1: in there. His hard hit rate, his average exit villo.
Speaker 1: Both of those numbers are are excellent this season, and
Speaker 1: he's he's a Diamondbacks type of hitter. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a guy who runs a really really good chase rate,
Speaker 1: a really really good whiff rate. He doesn't he doesn't
Speaker 1: swing much in general. He does not chase out of
Speaker 1: the zone. He doesn't he doesn't swing in the zone
Speaker 1: maybe as much as you would like either. His overall
Speaker 1: swing percentage this year is thirty six percent, which I
Speaker 1: believe is in the first percentile. It's a very, very
Speaker 1: you could even say, passive approach at the plate. But
Speaker 1: he doesn't strike out much. He draws his walks. He
Speaker 1: has the kind of approach that we know the Diamondbacks value,
Speaker 1: and I think there is more power there than what
Speaker 1: the numbers indicate. Saint Louis is a brutal ballpark for
Speaker 1: any left handed hitter. We were looking at the ballpark
Speaker 1: factors earlier in Saint Louis has a seventy three park
Speaker 1: factor for home runs for left handed hitters, and granted
Speaker 1: it's only seventy nine for Chase Field. Chase Field is
Speaker 1: not great either in that regard, but Chase Field is
Speaker 1: a great ballpark. For hitting doubles and triples for left
Speaker 1: handed hitters, whereas Bush Stadium is not. So I do
Speaker 1: think he gets a boost moving over to Chase Field.
Speaker 1: You know, the underlying numbers suggest this is an above
Speaker 1: average hitter despite what we've seen. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if you're not, if you're not feeling so excited about this,
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm not here to say that Lars
Speaker 1: new Bar is a world beater and the Dbacs got
Speaker 1: everything that they wanted here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean the other thing too is the cost.
Speaker 2: I mean, Daniel Egan pretty good pitching prospect, right, and
Speaker 2: he was having a pretty nice season. It was on
Speaker 2: a good run. I should say his season full season
Speaker 2: numbers aren't fantastic, but he's been on a fairly good
Speaker 2: run last couple of months, you know, And Daniel Egan
Speaker 2: was a favorite of ours. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: know you got to talk to him, you know once
Speaker 2: on our show. I think you did an interview with him, right,
Speaker 2: And also you know we've just followed him pretty closely.
Speaker 2: So he's a tough loss. And for a team that
Speaker 2: isn't pitching rich, you know, you do kind of throw
Speaker 2: hope that you throw enough stuff up against the wall
Speaker 2: and some of it sticks, And there was some potential
Speaker 2: stickiness with Daniel Egan and now that's gone too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daniel Eagan is a tough loss. There's no getting
Speaker 1: around the fact that when I first saw his name
Speaker 1: as part of this trade package, I was like, WHOA
Speaker 1: that that feels like a lot for you know, one
Speaker 1: year plus of a decent but not amazing left handed
Speaker 1: hitting outfielder in Lars Newbar. The Diamondbacks also give up
Speaker 1: left handed pitchers Sandro Santana in this deal as well.
Speaker 1: He's a pretty interesting prospect too. I know he's already
Speaker 1: reliever in Double A man he is. He has had
Speaker 1: an awesome season. It's seventy strikeouts and forty six and
Speaker 1: a third innings split between Hy A Hillsborough and Double
Speaker 1: A Amarillo. He has a two point one four ERA.
Speaker 1: I think it's a sub one er since being moved
Speaker 1: up to Amarillo. So if you're a Cardinals fan, you're
Speaker 1: probably pretty ecstatic about this package that you got from
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks. And that doesn't necessarily mean that these guys
Speaker 1: are going to pan out like I do think Daniel Eagan.
Speaker 1: There's still some questions there about whether he can stick
Speaker 1: as a starter. It seems like it's more of a
Speaker 1: two pitch mix right now, and there's there's definitely some
Speaker 1: reliever risk in his profile. But you look at MLB pipeline,
Speaker 1: that's the Diamondbacks second ranked pitching prospect, behind only David Hageman.
Speaker 1: And he also had to give up Sandro Santana, a
Speaker 1: pretty intriguing young reliever, plus a player to be named
Speaker 1: later in order to get this done.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, look, you know the other thing too, is
Speaker 2: and I've just got to go there because I'd like
Speaker 2: to beat a dead horse. I mean, the Guardians gave
Speaker 2: up virtually nothing for Nathaniel Low, and it's hard for
Speaker 2: me to imagine that the Dbacks couldn't have done as
Speaker 2: well or better and not hurt their farm system and
Speaker 2: gotten two months of Nathaniel Low would be a better fit.
Speaker 2: You plug him. I mean, they don't need Lars Newbar
Speaker 2: in the outfield. They really don't, especially if Lawler comes
Speaker 2: back and actually manages to play thirty forty games. So
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you could have had a perfectly
Speaker 2: fine designated hitter from the left side that's going to
Speaker 2: give you above league average production. For you know, almost nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Guardians gave up like a nineteen year
Speaker 2: old down an a ball, you know, pitcher, So why
Speaker 2: not just go get Nathaniel Low and a two month rental,
Speaker 2: not block anybody, and not have to give up so
Speaker 2: much and egan in Santana. It just doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: to me, you know, Like, look, I I hope that
Speaker 2: Laris Newbar comes in and hits well and makes us
Speaker 2: backtrack on our words, but it just really feels like
Speaker 2: there was a better way to go here, where they
Speaker 2: could have traded a much lower level prospect, gone and
Speaker 2: got Nathaniel Low, maybe up their efforts at who they
Speaker 2: would offer, or multiple pictures they could offer to get
Speaker 2: back in the kind of starting pitcher. But look, I
Speaker 2: wasn't part of those discussions, so that kind of second
Speaker 2: guessing isn't really valid, and I want to acknowledge that.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand why they couldn't take a different
Speaker 2: approach here, go get Low. I don't know what they
Speaker 2: saw that they had to bring in Laura's Newbar, but
Speaker 2: hopefully he's better than I'm expecting him to be.
Speaker 1: I will say, while I don't disagree with you on that,
Speaker 1: I think Nathaniel Low, for what felt like a really
Speaker 1: minimal price tag makes more sense. I will just say
Speaker 1: that Lars Newbar is more of a Diamondbacks type player. Like,
Speaker 1: even though I agree with you, I'm not really surprised
Speaker 1: that the Diamondbacks went this route. Newt Bar is a
Speaker 1: decent defender. He is a great reputation as a good
Speaker 1: clubhouse guy. He doesn't chase out of the zone, and
Speaker 1: really the big difference between him and Low is is defense.
Speaker 1: The fact that Nathaniel Low at this point, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you really want him playing much first base.
Speaker 1: His defensive metrics at first base are pretty rough. And
Speaker 1: I know he get DH. I know you're thinking you
Speaker 1: with DH, and I think that too, But if you
Speaker 1: get Nathaniel Low, you're going to have to play him
Speaker 1: at first base sometimes. And we know, we know how
Speaker 1: much the Diamondbacks care about defense, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: that was the that was the difference there.
Speaker 2: No, you get Nathaniel Low, you plug him in at
Speaker 2: your DH. At the most, you give him half a
Speaker 2: dozen games at first base, and you yank him out
Speaker 2: of there in the seventh inning for El Tomorrow Vargus,
Speaker 2: I mean Seriously, the guy wouldn't even get one hundred
Speaker 2: innings at first base. You plug him in as your
Speaker 2: left handed DH, period, end of freaking story. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's in here as a two month rental. You do
Speaker 2: what you're told. He's not going to come in and
Speaker 2: you know, pout in the corner of the locker room
Speaker 2: because he can't go. They can't send him out to
Speaker 2: the first base. You don't need to send him out
Speaker 2: the first base at all. He's your left handed DH.
Speaker 2: He replaces Adrian del Castillo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't, sorry, no, I I
Speaker 1: just think that realistically he would get some time at
Speaker 1: first base, Like there's no way it's going to be
Speaker 1: zero innings. And I but I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I agree that isn't going to hurt you. Yeah, half
Speaker 2: a dozen games the first base and you yank him
Speaker 2: in the late innings for Vargas, it's not going to
Speaker 2: hurt you.
Speaker 1: Low If you look at if you look at fangrafts,
Speaker 1: I think you know Nathaniel Lowe's projection for the rest
Speaker 1: of the season is actually to be a slightly worse
Speaker 1: hitter than Lars Newtbar. I think it's like a one
Speaker 1: oh six WRC plus projection for Low newt Bar is
Speaker 1: like one oh nine something like that, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe the dbacs are are looking at that and they
Speaker 1: actually think Newt Bar is going to be a better
Speaker 1: hitter the rest of the way. But yeah, I'm not disagreeing.
Speaker 1: I think given the price tag for Nathaniel Low, it
Speaker 1: absolutely made more sense to go do that and not
Speaker 1: give up much than to trade three legitimate players or
Speaker 1: at least two legitimate prospects in order to in order
Speaker 1: to get Lars Newbar. And I guess the other elements
Speaker 1: of this is the Diamondbacks are getting another year of
Speaker 1: control here. But as you've said in the past, that
Speaker 1: extra year of control is we don't know if there's
Speaker 1: actually going to be baseball in twenty twenty seven, so
Speaker 1: it's possible. I don't think this is going to happen,
Speaker 1: but it's possible that Lars Newbar actually is just a
Speaker 1: two month rental for this team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll see how that plays out. I do
Speaker 2: want to kind of circle back on what you just said, though,
Speaker 2: because it does seem like the inflation for rental players
Speaker 2: was real. I mean, the concern about rental players being
Speaker 2: overpriced tells me that other teams were having you know,
Speaker 2: teams were just having a difficult time pricing in some
Speaker 2: of the controllable player numbers, and so the price for
Speaker 2: rentals did go up. Of course, a lot of that
Speaker 2: also has to do with the fact that they just
Speaker 2: weren't enough sellers. You know, two or three more teams
Speaker 2: fall into a hardcore sellers, then there's you know, another
Speaker 2: dozen rental players out there. Maybe that helps ease the
Speaker 2: logjam a little bit. So that's probably even the bigger factor.
Speaker 2: But I can't help but wonder, as I've talked about before,
Speaker 2: just how concerned teams really are behind curtains about whether
Speaker 2: or not twenty twenty seven is going to even happen,
Speaker 2: or if they're going to lose a third or half
Speaker 2: of the season. And I'll just reiterate on that players
Speaker 2: are already pushing from their side to have the time
Speaker 2: before free agency shortened, and they're never going to vote
Speaker 2: to agree to any agreement that pushes out their free agency.
Speaker 2: Another year's not going to happen. So anyone that's going
Speaker 2: to supposed to be a free agent at the end
Speaker 2: of twenty seven is going to be a free agent
Speaker 2: at the end of twenty seven, whether they play a
Speaker 2: full schedule, a half schedule, or no schedule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. If there's if we don't have
Speaker 1: baseball in twenty twenty seven, large new bar walks. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're getting it back for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: We have more more to say about what is an
Speaker 1: underwhelming trade deadline day for this Arizona Diamondbacks team. We'll
Speaker 1: also talk about what happened around the league, what unfortunately
Speaker 1: some of the Dimonbacks contenders in the wildcard race were
Speaker 1: able to accomplish. So don't go anywhere. We'll be back
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Speaker 1: from our good friend Wes here on YouTube. He says,
Speaker 1: love hearing your takes. Definitely some stuff I hadn't thought
Speaker 1: about that I'll have to consider in my trade deadline
Speaker 1: article later, Wes. We really appreciate the shout out.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Wes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing our best here to make sense of
Speaker 1: a day that just didn't make very much sense for
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks. I will say, Jack, breaking news, Oh breaking news,
Speaker 1: What do we got?
Speaker 2: I have to tell everyone that you were right about something?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, hey, we love that. You mean, just with
Speaker 1: regard to the Diamondbacks getting Lars new Bar in the
Speaker 1: first place. You and I kind of talked about that
Speaker 1: earlier in the day.
Speaker 2: Well, now I wanted to talk about the CBT just
Speaker 2: real quick, and you know, just double checking something Nick
Speaker 2: pccora had written, and I spoke to him about it
Speaker 2: today just to reconfirm. So if everyone remembers a couple
Speaker 2: of shows ago, Jesse and I had a bit of
Speaker 2: a debate about just how big an impact the luxury
Speaker 2: tax could or should be for the Diamondbacks. But the
Speaker 2: reality is this, the revenue sharing is not impacted. In
Speaker 2: other words, their ability to receive revenue sharing is not
Speaker 2: impacted unless they exceed the CBT the luxury tax number
Speaker 2: two years in a row. So in other words, even
Speaker 2: if they went over a little bit this year on
Speaker 2: the luxury tax, that would not have impacted their revenue sharing.
Speaker 2: So that's the first point. Second point, of course, is
Speaker 2: Jesse was of course correct that the amount of the
Speaker 2: penalty is twenty percent of the overage, So if that
Speaker 2: have gone over by five or ten million dollars, they
Speaker 2: only actually have to pay a penalty of one to
Speaker 2: two million. So I don't know why the team made
Speaker 2: such a big deal about the CBT and not being
Speaker 2: willing to go over it. I don't really quite understand
Speaker 2: that because based on those two factors, it seems like
Speaker 2: it shouldn't have been that big of an impact.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if maybe some of that could I
Speaker 1: guess the impending CBA negotiations could have had an impact there,
Speaker 1: like the Diamondbacks becoming a team that kind of joined
Speaker 1: the dark side. And became a you know, was actually
Speaker 1: in the CBT range. If that might have I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just wondering if maybe the negotiations that are about
Speaker 1: to happen could have been a factor there, because yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense that the Diamondbacks were sort
Speaker 1: of hard capping themselves at the first CBT threshold. We
Speaker 1: do have a comment in here from our good friend
Speaker 1: James Attwood who Saidthaniel Lowe Jock Peterson both feel like
Speaker 1: much better fits at the same time. I don't think
Speaker 1: nude Bar is a terrible acquisition, just an expensive one
Speaker 1: that feels like shuffling the deck chairs. And James had
Speaker 1: also commented earlier about Jack Peterson and maybe what the
Speaker 1: asking price was there when all was said and done, Jack,
Speaker 1: we didn't really expect this, but the Rangers were effectively
Speaker 1: sellers at this trade deadline. They didn't do a whole lot,
Speaker 1: but they seemed to be open to trading anyone and
Speaker 1: it felt like the money was the big issue with
Speaker 1: Jack Peterson. I think he was making somewhere around twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars this season, so he alone would have put
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks up right around the CBT. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone would have been upset if the Dbacks had found
Speaker 1: a way to get Jack Peterson here today obviously.
Speaker 2: I mean that would have been a nice impact bat.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if the person that was chatting
Speaker 2: with on Twitter about this where I kind of emphatically
Speaker 2: said the Rangers are not trading Jock Peterson. The day
Speaker 2: before they went and got swept the Astros, I think,
Speaker 2: and you know, lost their hold on first place. They
Speaker 2: went into that series in first place, and they came
Speaker 2: out of it well behind. And you know, I just
Speaker 2: never thought that the Rangers would suddenly turn around and
Speaker 2: sell So another incidents where I was wrong. I know,
Speaker 2: folks take you notes.
Speaker 1: Oh man, uh yeah, I guess we can jump into
Speaker 1: what unfortunately happened around the league. Jack. That's another big
Speaker 1: part of this. I know you asked by Kazan about
Speaker 1: that during his presser and he acknowledged, like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't help that we're going against these other teams,
Speaker 1: and they did have at least some of them had
Speaker 1: really productive days today. The headliners probably the San Diego Padres,
Speaker 1: who went out and got not only Robbie Ray but
Speaker 1: also Casey Meis Miz of course, and name the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: were linked to up until the final hours of the
Speaker 1: trade deadline. And what's even worse here, Jack, is the
Speaker 1: Dbacks might have to face or both of these guys
Speaker 1: here in the next few days with this four game
Speaker 1: series against the Padres.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we're getting Michael King tonight. And then
Speaker 2: as we talked about it on the last show, they
Speaker 2: had a very strange setup in there in their projected
Speaker 2: starters about on fangrafts, about Marquez maybe being listed twice.
Speaker 2: But you know, I could easily see one or both
Speaker 2: of them slotting in on this series. I think Walker
Speaker 2: Bueler was supposed to pitch the fourth game of the series,
Speaker 2: so we'll see if they can get them in here
Speaker 2: and have them pitch in time to pitch games two
Speaker 2: in games three of the series. Very well could be.
Speaker 2: I mean, we may all of a sudden be looking
Speaker 2: at Michael King and you know, Mcasey Meies, Robbie Ray,
Speaker 2: and Walker Buehler for this series.
Speaker 1: Casey Meyese was scratched from his latest start, so he
Speaker 1: hasn't pitched in a while. I think it's been since
Speaker 1: July twenty fifth. For him, feels like he's probably going
Speaker 1: to get a start in the series. Robbie Ray started
Speaker 1: on June thirtieth, so he would be on sufficient rest
Speaker 1: as of Wednesday, so I think he's probably a candidate
Speaker 1: to start either on Wednesday or Thursday. So decent chance
Speaker 1: that Diamondbacks have to see both of those guys. Robbie
Speaker 1: Ray was another name we talked about.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 1: We kind of ruled him out because of the salary
Speaker 1: situation there. He would have put the d Backs again
Speaker 1: right up against the CBT. But in terms of prospect packages,
Speaker 1: it felt like the Padres didn't give up too much there.
Speaker 1: It was their number four prospect and their number nine prospect.
Speaker 1: Padres at this point do not have a well regarded
Speaker 1: farm system. It's sort of like Ethan Sallas at the
Speaker 1: top and then everybody else. So I guess it's not
Speaker 1: surprising Robbie Ray was cheaper from a prospect standpoint, given
Speaker 1: that he is still making a decent amount of money
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. But yeah, I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: if the d Backs were willing to go into the
Speaker 1: CBT just a little bit, you could have had Robbie
Speaker 1: Ray and you know, maybe even not had to give
Speaker 1: up someone like daniel Leagan to make it happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, scratching my head. I don't really know
Speaker 2: why they couldn't do more here. You know, maybe they
Speaker 2: could have done it with volume. If you don't have
Speaker 2: the top prospect that you know the other team wants,
Speaker 2: couldn't you give them two or three and you know,
Speaker 2: to not have to absorb so much money. I don't know.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, they didn't get it done.
Speaker 2: It's very frustrating to see them. Not only them, but
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you look at what the Phillies did.
Speaker 2: You look at what the Cubs did. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: teams all around them that they need to be improved tremendously.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Cubs picked up a couple of
Speaker 2: excellent starters. How are you going to get past them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, to run down some of the other, I know,
Speaker 1: wild card contenders, I'll start with the Cubs. Clay Holmes,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, he goes to the Cubs. Tyrone
Speaker 1: Taylor was in that. In that deal with the Mets
Speaker 1: as well. They also got Braxton Garrett from the Marlins,
Speaker 1: who be interesting to see how they use him. He's
Speaker 1: only made a couple of starts in the majors this season,
Speaker 1: but has a decent track record in the big leagues
Speaker 1: and has put up good numbers in the minors. They
Speaker 1: got a reliever, Ryan Zephyrchan from the Angels who has
Speaker 1: really good underlying numbers. And then of course they got
Speaker 1: Kevin Gosman as well from the Toronto Blue Jays. So
Speaker 1: I mean, that's two really good starting pitchers, a good reliever,
Speaker 1: another depth starter, an outfielder, and Tyrone Taylor who's been
Speaker 1: pretty hot lately. It felt like a slam dunk from
Speaker 1: the Cub's perspective. The Phillies you mentioned they got Luisa Rise.
Speaker 1: They also landed relievers Caleb Killian and Brooks Raley, couple
Speaker 1: of pretty decent relief pickups there. Phillies didn't get a
Speaker 1: starting pitcher, so I imagine that the vibes around Philadelphia
Speaker 1: are not great right now either. I think that is
Speaker 1: viewed as a disappointment for them. But they still got
Speaker 1: two relievers in Luisa Rise, which is a decent hall.
Speaker 1: We mentioned what the Padres got already, I guess the
Speaker 1: other teams in the NL to round it out, the
Speaker 1: Brewers had a decent deadline. They get Antonio Senzatela from
Speaker 1: the Rockies, who's had a really good season out of
Speaker 1: the bullpen. They also got Dustin May and Jojo Romero
Speaker 1: in a deal with the Saint Louis Cardinals the Atlanta Braves.
Speaker 1: Not a great deadline for the Atlanta Braves. They got
Speaker 1: Tyler Malley for their rotation lane, Thomas Bailey Falter another
Speaker 1: depth arm there, and then Brent Suiter as a left
Speaker 1: handed reliever. So it's not slam dunks across the board, Jack,
Speaker 1: but I think it's pretty clear that every single team
Speaker 1: that the d Backs are competing with acquired more talent
Speaker 1: at the trade deadline than the Diamondbacks did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's that's it. And so of course,
Speaker 2: you know, by default they just have to turn around
Speaker 2: and hope and pray that they're returning injured players are
Speaker 2: not only able to actually slot in in a sensible way. Obviously,
Speaker 2: it's not hard to get innings for pitchers. You know,
Speaker 2: how they're going to figure out the outfield once Lawler
Speaker 2: and Guriel comes back. I don't know how they're going
Speaker 2: to do that. We'll just have to wait and see.
Speaker 2: But you know, Mike, we did get some health updates.
Speaker 2: I mean Michael Soroka, he's probably going to go Tori's
Speaker 2: every time we talk here from Tori, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit different innings and pitch count that they're looking for
Speaker 2: for Michael Soroka. What he said on Burns and Gamble
Speaker 2: last Friday was five and sixty five. Today he said
Speaker 2: four and sixty five, So I mean four maybe five
Speaker 2: updowns if he's efficient tomorrow for In Reno, for Michael Soroka,
Speaker 2: and then I think he's coming back. I think he's
Speaker 2: going to be back on the tenth against the Rockies.
Speaker 2: With regards to Justin Martinez, his program this week is
Speaker 2: going to be Tuesday rehab and then rehab outing, and
Speaker 2: then Friday rehab outing. So Tuesday and Friday he's going
Speaker 2: to pitch in two games this week and then they're
Speaker 2: going to revisit it. I tried to pin him down,
Speaker 2: like how many games does he need to pitch before
Speaker 2: he comes back, and does he need to do a
Speaker 2: back to back before he comes back. Tory was not
Speaker 2: able to give me that information. I'm kind of hearing
Speaker 2: through the back channel grape vines that it may be
Speaker 2: a little bit slower to see Justin Martinez come back
Speaker 2: than we were thinking, you know, the way things were rolling,
Speaker 2: we thought, well, he's ready to go out on rehab.
Speaker 2: That's probably three, four or five games. He should be
Speaker 2: back by middle of August at the latest. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure about it right now. I just can't tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Justin Martinez definitely a big boost theoretically, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of all theoretical, Jack, I mean, that's sort of
Speaker 1: where we land with this baseball team. Is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: on paper, if you add Corbyn Burns, Ryan Nelson, Michael Soroka,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lawler, Justin Martinez to this roster down the stretch,
Speaker 1: like that is a big boost. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say the chance is zero that the Diamondbacks can have
Speaker 1: as quiet a trade deadline as they did and still
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Like I don't think to day is like, oh,
Speaker 1: this team has no shot because these other teams made
Speaker 1: some upgrades and the d Bacs didn't like the d
Speaker 1: Backs are. They're still in position to make the postseason
Speaker 1: as of right now. They do have some pieces coming back.
Speaker 1: They probably have a little bit more to be gained
Speaker 1: in theory from injured returning injured players than at least
Speaker 1: most of these other teams. But it at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's hard to really believe in it because Corbyn Burns
Speaker 1: had the setback and aj Puck had the setback, and
Speaker 1: Lord ofs Guriel returned earlier than expected but just was
Speaker 1: not good and I don't know what his future holds.
Speaker 1: At this point. The Diamondbacks have gotten next to zero
Speaker 1: value this season from those quote unquote returning injured players,
Speaker 1: and so for fans that are feeling skeptical, it's very understandable,
Speaker 1: and it's it's hard to it's hard to argue with
Speaker 1: given what we've seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look there, if you're looking for glass half full,
Speaker 2: the d Bacs sold everybody last year's trade deadline, and
Speaker 2: Ink got better and they went into the final weekend
Speaker 2: in San Diego. Yes, they needed to sweep and some
Speaker 2: things to go their way, you know, but had they
Speaker 2: been able to go in San Diego and sweep to Padres,
Speaker 2: they might have been in the playoffs last year. So
Speaker 2: we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know
Speaker 2: who's going to get hurt, we don't know who is
Speaker 2: going to underperform amongst all these you know, trade deadline
Speaker 2: talents that the other team's acquired. The baseball surprises us.
Speaker 2: And if we've learned anything, you can't predict baseball, okay,
Speaker 2: but we can present we can assess the current, and
Speaker 2: the current is other teams added talent that Dbacks did not. Now.
Speaker 2: One of the other conversations I had with Tori today,
Speaker 2: you know, was regarding Catel Marte, Like, okay, we all
Speaker 2: saw at the beginning of the season he was struggling
Speaker 2: with just some bad luck and all the X stats
Speaker 2: that he should have been better. But you know, now
Speaker 2: his ex stats have tanked right along with the results,
Speaker 2: you know, and the best that Tory could offer there
Speaker 2: was he's trying to do too much, which is what
Speaker 2: we're seeing, you know, swinging out of his shoes whenever
Speaker 2: he does swing, instead of just going with a pitch
Speaker 2: and taking some bass hits and you know, maybe waiting
Speaker 2: for a little bit more of a cookie pitch to
Speaker 2: take his biggest, heaviest swing. But if the Dbacks need
Speaker 2: a boost, they needed to come from Corbyn, Carrol and
Speaker 2: can tell Marte or Aldo Podomo, right, those are their
Speaker 2: three best hitters. They need Michael Soroka to be able
Speaker 2: to come back and you know, another week and actually
Speaker 2: be really good again. You know, if they can do that,
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you know, Brandon Fought has
Speaker 2: another good outing tonight, and you have him and Soroka
Speaker 2: and a daughter Rodriguez. At least you've got three guys
Speaker 2: that are somewhat dependable. Meryl's up and down. We don't
Speaker 2: know what we're going to get now from him start
Speaker 2: to start, but that's kind of where we're at. Corbyn Burns,
Speaker 2: by the way, you know, when we spoke to him,
Speaker 2: he's basically about to start throwing bullpens and then how
Speaker 2: far how many bullpens he needs to throw before he
Speaker 2: can throw a lot? He said, well, I'm going to
Speaker 2: be in there negotiating and fighting. I'm not counting on him.
Speaker 2: I just am not. I don't think that he's got
Speaker 2: enough time to actually get built up to where he
Speaker 2: could be a five or six inning storter before the
Speaker 2: end of the year. I don't see it.
Speaker 1: That's a tough development because Ryan Nelson seems like he's
Speaker 1: in that camp as well, and so you know, you're
Speaker 1: maybe best hoping for those guys to be swingmen types
Speaker 1: where maybe you could get two or three innings from
Speaker 1: them on occasion, they could have value in that kind
Speaker 1: of role. But yeah, if you're looking at if you're
Speaker 1: looking for Corbyn Burns to start game one of the
Speaker 1: wild Card series or something like that, that seems like
Speaker 1: a pretty uphill battle. At this point, we have more
Speaker 1: to get to in this show. We'll maybe touch on
Speaker 1: some of the comments we see flowing through the chat.
Speaker 1: We'll also maybe try to give a little positivity on
Speaker 1: a very disappointing day and Diamondbacks land I said, o'h
Speaker 1: go anywhere. We'll be back right after this here on Snakestared.
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Speaker 1: Back here on Snake's territory, we've got another super chat
Speaker 1: here from just Toast zero two says even my pals
Speaker 1: and power World were disappointed.
Speaker 2: Lol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of disappointment going around today unfortunately, So
Speaker 1: sorry to hear that. Hey, if I was, if I
Speaker 1: was to try to spin this positively, Jack, One thing
Speaker 1: I will say about Lars Newbar is the guy has
Speaker 1: an outfield arm. He ranks in the eighty ninth percentile
Speaker 1: in arm strength, and it feels like it's been an
Speaker 1: eternity since the Diamondbacks have had anyone in a corner
Speaker 1: outfield spot who could actually gun someone down at home
Speaker 1: plate with any kind of consistency.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll look forward to seeing that. That's something we
Speaker 2: don't usually see. But he's still better hit the cutoff man,
Speaker 2: because otherwise Dave McKay will be all over his butt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. There will be a there will be
Speaker 1: a time to showcase that arm. Hopefully he picks his
Speaker 1: spots as a Dave McKay SE's fit elsewhere, Jack, I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess. I think it's important to note that even
Speaker 1: though Lars Newtbar's numbers for the season are not overwhelming
Speaker 1: at all, I think he is a clear upgrade for
Speaker 1: this team. Like, I don't really buy into the story
Speaker 1: of like Newtbar is just going to come in here
Speaker 1: and steal at bats. Right now, the Diamondbacks have enough
Speaker 1: room in their lineup that they can add a hitter
Speaker 1: without stealing at bats from a guy that is valuable,
Speaker 1: Like at this point, I mean, I know Max Kepler
Speaker 1: is theoretically on this roster as well, but at this
Speaker 1: point you're probably sliding Neotbar into left field because he's
Speaker 1: probably viewed as the better defender, and then Kepler just
Speaker 1: moves into the DH spot against right handed pitching instead
Speaker 1: of someone like Adrian delka Stio. And maybe you're not
Speaker 1: super happy with the numbers that Nutbar's posted this season,
Speaker 1: understandably so. But what really matters at the end of
Speaker 1: the day is the delta between the player you acquired
Speaker 1: and what production you were get without him. And I
Speaker 1: think you could argue that delta is fairly as at
Speaker 1: least meaningful given the lack of depth in this lineup currently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that if he takes over as
Speaker 2: the strong side platoon in left field and plays two
Speaker 2: thirds of the games as a starter in left field,
Speaker 2: then the dbacs really need to see a lot out
Speaker 2: of him to justify continuing with Ryan Welschmidt as a
Speaker 2: short side platooner. They're already doing that with Max Kepler,
Speaker 2: right And you know it's there's the opportunity cost. The
Speaker 2: opportunity to develop Ryan Walshmidt as a full time two
Speaker 2: way player is being lost by chasing this wildcard spot
Speaker 2: and relegating him to part time play. Now you know,
Speaker 2: I've gotten absolutely fillayed on social media before for pointing
Speaker 2: this out, but I'm going to say it again. When
Speaker 2: you're over thirty percent strikeout rate and you're over a
Speaker 2: four hundred babbit, the batting average isn't sustainable. It just isn't.
Speaker 2: Just the fact that it hasn't come down yet. You
Speaker 2: know that those strikeout numbers for Ryan waltst need to
Speaker 2: come down, right, because eventually he's got an insane line
Speaker 2: drive rate. Nobody hits for that higher line drive rate
Speaker 2: long term. You'll never find it over a full season
Speaker 2: or let alone two or three seasons. I mean it's
Speaker 2: you know, he could be a good line drive hitter,
Speaker 2: but you're not going to have the kind of line
Speaker 2: drive rate that he has now. So you know he
Speaker 2: needs more time to develop, and he's not in the
Speaker 2: minor leagues so he needs to play more. So what
Speaker 2: they're losing is the opportunity to develop Ryan Walshman at
Speaker 2: the major leagues by giving those plate appearances to Laws
Speaker 2: Newbar and Max Kepler. So it better be worth it, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, like those guys got to hit, they got
Speaker 2: to perform, and they got to help drive this team
Speaker 2: to a playoff spot. Or what are you gaining by
Speaker 2: doing that to Ryan Waltschmitth's development.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I mean I think the bigger question
Speaker 1: mark there is Max Kepler. I mean Max Kepler as
Speaker 1: a seventy seven WRC plus this season and is coming
Speaker 1: off back to back subpar years offensively. I think he
Speaker 1: would maybe be the first guy to be moved out
Speaker 1: of that role, and maybe Ryan Walschman could still get
Speaker 1: some of those opportunities back. At the same time, I
Speaker 1: just have to be honest about Ryan walschmant and say
Speaker 1: I think a platoon role for a team that is
Speaker 1: trying to contend is probably what suits him best. Like,
Speaker 1: there is absolute value in giving a player full time,
Speaker 1: full time reps, but the Diamondbacks are not really in
Speaker 1: position to be experimenting in that way, not with a
Speaker 1: guy who is a thirty two percent k rate and
Speaker 1: a five percent walk rate. And as you said, the
Speaker 1: babbup is like through the roof. His production against right
Speaker 1: handed pitching doesn't seem like something you want to bet
Speaker 1: on right now. And I think it's totally reasonable for
Speaker 1: the Dbacs to say, hey, we want Walschmidt to play
Speaker 1: against lefties. I'm sure he'll still get an occasional rep
Speaker 1: against righty's, especially if someone like Max Kepler struggles, but
Speaker 1: this team is in a playoff spot right now, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if this is time to
Speaker 1: be thinking so much about like trying to do trying
Speaker 1: to give these young players a lot of leeway and
Speaker 1: their development. Like on paper, even though Lars Newbar hasn't
Speaker 1: been great this season, he is a clearly, clearly better
Speaker 1: option against right handed pitching, at least on paper right
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's why I said it better be worth it, right.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it won't be. You know, I read
Speaker 2: off his ops is against right hand pitching to start
Speaker 2: the show, and they're around seven thirty seven forty the
Speaker 2: last three years, which is better than what Walshchmid is
Speaker 2: offering at the moment. So he'll have, you know, he'll
Speaker 2: need to do at least that, But you'd really like
Speaker 2: to see a bit more. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 2: hope he gets hot then, yeah, you know, you just
Speaker 2: hope that, Okay, change the scenery, excitement and being back,
Speaker 2: and I mean, you know, Cardinals were in a race
Speaker 2: up until a week ago, so I mean it's not
Speaker 2: like he was, you know, sitting there on a last
Speaker 2: place team just twiddling his thumbs. You know, he was.
Speaker 2: They were playing an exciting baseball and they were looking
Speaker 2: forward to competing until they all of a sudden hit
Speaker 2: a rust stretch and reality set in for them. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, we'll see where it lands,
Speaker 2: but you know, it needs to be worth it. I mean,
Speaker 2: like he needs to give you like an eight hundred
Speaker 2: OPS against right handed pitching to really make it worth it,
Speaker 2: you know, because look, the playoff odds are still a
Speaker 2: coin flip, right They're like forty eight percent of fangrafts
Speaker 2: and forty eight percent of Baseball Perspectives. They're fifty four
Speaker 2: percent at Baseball Reference, and they're and even fifty percent
Speaker 2: at Deserve to Win. They're a coin flip. They're fifty
Speaker 2: percent playoff odds as of this moment.
Speaker 1: Max Kepler at this point has a six thirty OPS
Speaker 1: against righty's and an eight eighty nine OPS against lefties.
Speaker 1: The samples there are still very small, so I don't
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Kepler is like worse against
Speaker 1: against mands. Yeah, against lefties it's nine PA. So we're
Speaker 1: not reading too much into that. But I mean the
Speaker 1: bigger point, the bigger point there is that he has
Speaker 1: a six thirty seven OPS against righty's, which does not
Speaker 1: really vote all that well for the future. And it's
Speaker 1: why I think someone like Lars Newbar is of totally
Speaker 1: solid upgrade. Newtbar, even with him underperforming his expected stats
Speaker 1: by a pretty wide margin, he still has a seven
Speaker 1: thirty seven OPS against right handed pitching this season, a
Speaker 1: three point fifty four on base percentage. I mean, given
Speaker 1: how much this team has struggled against righty's this year,
Speaker 1: Jack Lars Nubar might be the Diamondbacks like second best
Speaker 1: hitter against right handed pitching immediately. I mean, Corbyn Carroll's
Speaker 1: numbers against righty's I don't think are that good at
Speaker 1: this point. Katel's numbers certainly are not that good. Most
Speaker 1: numbers I don't think are that good. Like say what
Speaker 1: you will about Lars Nubar being underwhelming, I get it.
Speaker 1: He also might be the second best hitter on the
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks against right handed pitching.
Speaker 2: Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner. We found a
Speaker 2: positive angle.
Speaker 1: Good job, we found a positive angle, and maybe that
Speaker 1: feels like a good place to wrap this up. We've
Speaker 1: tried to kind of hit this from every angle here,
Speaker 1: but we really appreciate all of you being here hanging
Speaker 1: out with us. We figured we'd maybe have a little
Speaker 1: bit more to talk about on this Diamondbacks trade deadline day.
Speaker 1: So just the one move acquiring outfielder Lars Newtbar. As
Speaker 1: we said before, even though this was underwhelming for the Diamondbacks,
Speaker 1: I would encourage people to keep perspective and know that, like,
Speaker 1: this team is still in position to make the postseason.
Speaker 1: It's not like their playoff odds just dropped thirty percent
Speaker 1: or something two months of any rental players a wild card.
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe if the d Backs had gone out
Speaker 1: and gotten a casey my is, you know, maybe things
Speaker 1: don't go well for him the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: You just never know what these small sample sizes. But
Speaker 1: I'm also not making excuses here, Jack, I know people
Speaker 1: are gonna yell at me if I go too far
Speaker 1: down that road. So underwhelming day for the Diamondbacks, no
Speaker 1: matter how you look at.
Speaker 2: It, Well, we're gonna find out a lot about them
Speaker 2: this week, right, I mean four against Padres, three against
Speaker 2: the Dodgers, Right, And you know, we talked to Kevin
Speaker 2: Ginkle about it a little bit, and obviously everyone knows
Speaker 2: what's at stake against this team, And you know, Kevin
Speaker 2: even acknowledged like, hey, you know, the Dodgers are be
Speaker 2: coming in, you know, snorting through their noses because they
Speaker 2: really got caught flat footed just before the All Star break,
Speaker 2: and so they're going to be looking for payback. And
Speaker 2: I don't expect them to play as sloppy as they
Speaker 2: did then. So this is really going to tell us
Speaker 2: a lot about how this team's going to be able
Speaker 2: to respond under these circumstances. Anyway, we got some baseball
Speaker 2: to play tonight. Should be a fun game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Diamondbacks play a baseball game just over an
Speaker 1: hour here as we are live streaming at about five
Speaker 1: thirty pm on Monday evening. Thank you again to all
Speaker 1: of you for being here with us. We really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: keep you all updated there on our show schedule for
Speaker 1: the rest of the week. And Jack, you have any
Speaker 1: final thoughts here as we as we say goodbye now.
Speaker 2: I gotta go grab a quick bite to eat and
Speaker 2: I gotta go write an article for Alex Degostino and
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks on SI, So talk to you all later.
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