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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome.

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Speaker 2: My favorite murder the minisowed you read you your stories

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Speaker 2: that come in email form kind of Valentine's Day thing.

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Speaker 1: We have a big Gmail that you can send your

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Speaker 1: stories to.

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Speaker 2: That's right, send them in. We love it. My favorite

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Speaker 2: rider of email.

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Speaker 1: Just like that, we love it. Should I go first?

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Speaker 1: The subject line of this email is we found the

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Speaker 1: Murderino jackpot in our dresser. Hello, Karen, Georgia, Crue and pets.

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Speaker 1: You are all wonderful. I'm a longtime listener from the

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Speaker 1: pun titled days and got my much younger sister into

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Speaker 1: your podcast as well. Sorry, mom, that's what older sisters

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Speaker 1: are for, right, Yes, that's true, So let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: This week, my sister picked up a dresser from Facebook marketplace.

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Speaker 1: When she got it into her room and opened the drawer,

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Speaker 1: two letters fell out. She scanned one and read a

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Speaker 1: sentence about a gruesome crime scene. She checked the return

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Speaker 1: addresses on the envelopes. One was from Oregon State Penitentiary

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Speaker 1: and the other was from San Quentin. Jesus, your faces

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Speaker 1: like started bright and slowly like sinking, like oh no.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: She immediately brought the letters to my parents and they

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Speaker 1: facetimed me the family Murderino nice all caps you guys period.

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Speaker 1: She was holding letters from Dennis Raider, who is BTK.

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Speaker 2: Rom a hit.

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Speaker 1: Okay they wrote covered in episode eighty.

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Speaker 2: Two all through their homework for.

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Speaker 1: Us YEP and Keith Jessperson the Happy Phase Killer covered

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Speaker 1: in episode two fifty seven Holy Shit. After some investigation

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Speaker 1: on Facebook to figure out where this dresser had come from,

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Speaker 1: we discovered the dresser belonged to the family of criminologist

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Speaker 1: Laura Brand.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: She's written letters and interviewed over fifty serial killers to

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Speaker 1: assess their personality traits, and she presented a research at

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Speaker 1: Crime Con in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I've definitely seeing her on documentaries. She's great for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This made us breathe easier knowing the dresser didn't belong

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Speaker 1: to a killer. Laura's mother had apparently forgotten to check

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Speaker 1: the drawers before selling the dresser to my sister. That

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Speaker 1: makes Laura sound like a high school.

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Speaker 2: Investigator, Nancy Drue of Every Year.

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Speaker 1: I hope that Laura would be delighted to know these

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Speaker 1: letters fell into the hands of Murderino sisters. Our mom

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Speaker 1: reached out to her mom on Facebook to tell her, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we found these letters in your dresser and they seem important,

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Speaker 1: to which she replied, oh boy, I'm going to need

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Speaker 1: those back from my daughter.

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Speaker 2: Don't fucking tell my daughter, And then.

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Speaker 1: It says, of course, before returning the letters, we read

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Speaker 1: them thoroughly. Yeah, here are the highlights. So wow, this

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Speaker 1: is real inside inside tea.

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Speaker 2: Oh this is too much, okay, because I don't ever

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Speaker 2: want to write to a fucking serial killer murderer ever ever,

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Speaker 2: but like to just feel like read some what insider

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Speaker 2: baseball stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yesh, what it might be like? And I like the

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Speaker 1: way they broke this down. So it's b tok had

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Speaker 1: horrendous handwriting, and we only had pages three and four

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Speaker 1: of a four page letter. He mostly rambles about money

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Speaker 1: for stamps and complains about how long the mail takes.

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Speaker 1: But the letter was sent on Valentine's Day of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And he asks Laura if she's received a Valentine from Bittaker.

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Speaker 1: I had to look up this name. That's one of

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Speaker 1: the two toolbox killers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just like Ahom's feo of pieces of shit serial

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have never covered the Toolbox Killer because it

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Speaker 1: is so disgusting and so insane. It's truly one of

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Speaker 2: Hopeless, it feels hopeless.

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Speaker 1: Laura was doing research on them for her documentary The

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Speaker 1: Toolbox Killers, which was released on Peacock and Oxygen in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. So this is a real journals, you know,

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Speaker 1: the night Stalker case who we're like, we want to marry.

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Speaker 2: Him, fangirls. Yeah, yeah, this is a journalist. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The documentary features personal accounts from survivors and family members,

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Speaker 1: as well as Laura's relationship with Bittaker as she interviews

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Speaker 1: him over the years. In this letter, BTK said he

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Speaker 1: Hole shivers. The letter from Keith was seven pages long,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, the juicy part is when he responds

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Speaker 1: to a few of Laura's research questions that assess personality

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Speaker 1: traits his favorite book, The Old Man and the Sea.

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Speaker 1: What would you do with an invisible cloak? Escape from prison?

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Speaker 1: Favorite animal? Squirrel? I'm not sure what to do with

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Speaker 1: with my fellow murdering note say, Sexy and I always

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Speaker 2: L and V. Holy shit, how chilling.

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Speaker 1: We've said this on this podcast before. But I just

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Speaker 1: am so not interested in their favorite animal, or like,

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Speaker 1: what we know about the crimes. And then like that

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Speaker 2: And maybe like how to get prevent or find other

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Speaker 1: Killer, you know, well, unless there's some sort of signal

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Speaker 2: Okay, here is my first time. This is a Gallantines Day,

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Speaker 2: feel good best friend story. Nice. Hi'll let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: With Gallentine's Day coming up, i'd like to share about

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Speaker 2: the weird, supernatural light connection I have with Chrissy, my

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Speaker 2: best friend of twenty three years, and yes that best

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Speaker 2: friend shit is capitalized. We met when we were ten

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Speaker 2: years old, when we were inseparable. We've always called our

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Speaker 2: scene of a car accident on Lamoor Road, where a

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Speaker 2: to tingle for reasons that I cannot explain. To this day.

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Speaker 2: I asked, in a panic, was it a white cavalier

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Speaker 2: with black racing flags on the side. All the color

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Speaker 2: drained out of his face, and he said, I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: think she's going to be fine, the trooper replied, still

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Speaker 2: looking completely weirded out by my unexplained outburst. I ripped

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Speaker 2: floored it to my best friend's house. I pounded on

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Speaker 2: and asked, are you okay? What happened? Christy explained that

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Speaker 2: she'd been on her way to see me and her

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, I would think that floor would blow

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Speaker 2: up on the first turn, totally in your home the

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Speaker 2: same day. That's insane. But how did you know I

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Speaker 2: was in an accident? She asked, clearly looking puzzled as fuck.

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Speaker 2: I explained that I straight trooper had come into subway

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Speaker 2: have zero explanation as to how are why Christy and

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Speaker 2: I have the BFC, But for the twenty three years

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Speaker 2: that we've been best friends, we've always known when one

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Speaker 2: of us needs the other. This Valentine slash Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 2: remember that your soulmate doesn't have to be your lover.

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Speaker 2: Your soulmate can be your best friend. Thanks for all

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Speaker 2: y'all do. I love the podcast, and I so appreciate

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Speaker 2: how y'all are working to desigmatize getting help for mental health.

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Speaker 2: It's so important SSDGM Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, you have the

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Speaker 2: sixth sense. Yeah, what an honor too. Yeah, as the

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Speaker 2: But if really though, every time a trooper had come

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Speaker 1: Or it's the same trooper and she's like, was it

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Speaker 1: nervous breakdown. Okay, this emails. The subject line is found

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it works. Yeah, fast forward decades. We

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Speaker 1: family began to really explore the nooks and crannies of

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Speaker 1: little treasures. We found coins of various denominations sewn into curtains,

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Speaker 1: Bills of various denominations pasted under wallpaper and stacked between

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Speaker 1: the countless buttertubs and cottage cheese tubs, saved for decades.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: So long treasure hunt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds amazing.

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Speaker 1: We also found her horde of the gummy orange slices

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Speaker 1: she always gave us that were hard as wrong. Still treasure.

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Speaker 1: We tore the place apart searching for her treasure, finding

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Speaker 2: Treasure hunt, deathbed treasure hunt. Grandma, do you have a

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Speaker 1: Time, even in our sixties. I know it hurts when

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Speaker 2: Starting to feel it okay. Her name was Elizabeth English.

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Speaker 2: My mom and dad often asked her about her life

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Speaker 2: and after some investigating, her brother dad's uncle, Bill told

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Speaker 2: us the truth. Grandma Betty's name not Betty at all,

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Speaker 2: nor was it English. It was Sarah Brownstein. Our family

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Speaker 2: was shocked to find out that Grandma Betty, along with

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Speaker 2: They collaborated on an escape to get as far away

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable, What a time.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere along the way, Dottie swore that her friend was

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Speaker 2: I swear to God, that's what this is. It's Liz English.

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Speaker 2: They rented a room together, got jobs as waitresses, and

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Speaker 2: No, they each married and had family and always lived

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Speaker 1: So that's a whole family that's finding out they are Jewish,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if there was a danger element to her

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you know, any conservative religion is not one

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, easy to get away thing exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, my dad wanted to talk to Uncle

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Speaker 2: Fiddler on the Roof style, Holy shit, I know this

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Speaker 1: It's the power of Judaism drawing those Mormons in saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: And none of this could happen until, like Grandma died

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Speaker 1: And she had the guts to start a new life.

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Speaker 2: She left them a treasure hunt.

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Speaker 1: Oh she did, didn't she. It's a theme.

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Speaker 2: She just leave enough invol for that they can do

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Speaker 2: Our dear friend Dotty passed away in twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 1: Yes? Like it's they're like, fuck this shit, We're out

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Speaker 1: I'm out of here. And what I'm going to do

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's rough.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 1: It just makes me think of my grandmother who came

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Speaker 1: Well right, well yours is like mine's different.

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Speaker 1: They were farm girls from you know, the country in Ireland.

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Speaker 1: then what fuck this place? We're going to San Francisco, which.

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Speaker 2: Is so awesome. I know mine were like, La, let's

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Speaker 1: Do it, Let's go where the action is. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: grandparent theme here in our Valentine's Day show. The subject

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Speaker 1: line of this is the greatest goddamn love story you've

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Speaker 1: ever heard for Valentines. It says, high friends, My great

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Speaker 2: Birth certificate three months back then. I mean three months

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Speaker 1: And then in parentheses it says this isn't super relevant,

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Speaker 2: Out, Holy shit.

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Speaker 1: His father left and he was raised by his colonel grandmother.

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Speaker 1: She recognized his artistic talent at a young age and

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Speaker 1: snuck him into adult art classes as a child. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: my Pops joined the army during World War Two and

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Speaker 1: I'm lucky that my lifeline didn't end there. On the

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Speaker 1: boat on his way to Europe, my wild child of

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Speaker 1: a Pops moved up to the captain's quarters and drew

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Speaker 1: caricatures of the officers. When role was called in the

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Speaker 1: way over. Instead of clarifying the situation, my pops went

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Forrest Gump, we have a copy of a famous

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Speaker 1: painting in my home which he told my father, his

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Speaker 1: first grandson, that he had illegally built a mold for

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Speaker 1: when he visited the louver. Here comes the love story.

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Speaker 1: When my pops came home, he went to someone and

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Speaker 1: asked who the best dancer in town was best dancer?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's cute.

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Speaker 1: He was told that the soda jerk down the road

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Speaker 1: Mary was the best answer around. My grams didn't want

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Speaker 1: anything to do with him because he was a quote

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Speaker 1: unquote cocky hot shot so long story short, that's how

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Speaker 1: the greatest partnership was born. My Grams and Pops were

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Speaker 1: his artistic mind and his lifelong muse He was an

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Speaker 1: art professor at many colleges, and they brought his students

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Speaker 1: traveled the United States. They were staunch social advocates for

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Speaker 1: the LGBTQ plus people, and introduced my father to his

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Speaker 1: native culture. For every year on Valentine's Day, my Pops

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Speaker 1: built my Grams a Valentine's sculpture, and when he had

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Speaker 1: a museum collection, all thirty something of them were on display.

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Speaker 1: I was so lucky to know both of them and

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Speaker 1: have such an amazing love story in my family tree.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for this podcast. I'm writing this currently on

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Speaker 1: the treadmill, trying to blow off steam from law school finals.

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Speaker 1: This show has brought me joy in what seems to

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Speaker 1: have been a very challenging j with school ps. Law

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Speaker 1: school sucks, but I'm excited to get into the world

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Speaker 1: and do good work. Say sexy and ask your family

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Speaker 1: for family history. Chavn she her.

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Speaker 2: Wow, sweet, who's the best dancer in town.

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Speaker 1: Who's the best dancer in town?

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Speaker 2: I'm on a dater. I have one more short cute

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Speaker 2: love story. Great, a hot dog love story actually okay.

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Speaker 2: My first day as a college freshman, I met a

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Speaker 2: cute guy at a social event with free hot dogs.

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Speaker 2: We became friends, then more than friends, then dated, and

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Speaker 2: eventually got engaged. One of our mutual best friends was

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Speaker 2: a hot dogger, meaning drove the Oscar Meyer wienermobile for

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Speaker 2: a year right out of college. They're called hot doggers,

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Speaker 2: and in addition to the amazing hot dog March she

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Speaker 2: shared with us, she really came through for us for

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Speaker 2: our wedding rehearsal dinner a couple years later. Our hot

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Speaker 2: dog love story had always been a huge part of

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Speaker 2: our friend group's lore, and although she had retired from

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Speaker 2: the Wiener life by this time, she still had some

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Speaker 2: clout with the current regional hot doggers. She arranged for

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Speaker 2: the be able to pick me and my husband up

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Speaker 2: from our wedding rehearsal location and drive us raw rehearsal dinner,

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Speaker 2: and the fucking it was so fucking funny and it's

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Speaker 2: still one of the best and most thoughtful surprises. Love you, Jenny,

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Speaker 2: just Look at how happy our little goofy asses look

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Speaker 2: in this pick. Our hot dog love story is going

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Speaker 2: strong after eight years of marriage, five pets and two

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Speaker 2: precious little kids, stay sexy and never say no to

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Speaker 2: a free hot dog. Well, I don't know, use your

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Speaker 2: best judgment, but you get the idea, Beth, Oh, so cute.

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Speaker 1: Cute is that they also look like little babies, don't they? Yes,

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Speaker 1: they're so. They are so little, They're so young and cute.

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Speaker 2: It's them posing outside the Oscar Mayer wienermobile with little

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Speaker 2: like cardboard cutouts of hot dogs over there like fancy clothes.

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Speaker 1: There's so many ways to express love, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: truly hot dogs, old people, crazier and staying sexy and

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Speaker 1: don't get murdered.

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Speaker 2: You have me, Bye, Elvis, do you want a cookie?

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 2: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 1: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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Speaker 1: Email your hometowns to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye,