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Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, we're continuing our new

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Speaker 1: series on the Road to the mid Terms, looking more

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Speaker 1: closely oh what voters are talking about around the country.

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Speaker 1: My guest today has worked professionally as a strategic consultant

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Speaker 1: and poster for forty years. He's helped some America's most

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Speaker 1: successful corporations and won some of the toughest elections in

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Speaker 1: the country. In two sixteen and twenty twenty, John worked

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Speaker 1: as an advisor and poster for President Donald Trump from

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Speaker 1: the primaries through election day. I'm really pleased to welcome

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Speaker 1: my guest and my good friend, John McLaughlin. He is

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Speaker 1: the CEO and partner of McLaughlin and Associates, a leading

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Speaker 1: research and polling firm. Because thank you, John for joining

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Speaker 1: me on Neutral It's a pleasure to be here. It's

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Speaker 1: pleasure to see you again. So you just had a

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Speaker 1: national poll come out giving you a sense who where

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Speaker 1: the country's at. What was your general feeling about the poll?

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Speaker 1: These are some of the worst numbers I've ever seen,

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Speaker 1: And when you think about it, you know, I've worked

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Speaker 1: and watched you work for decades now, and at a

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Speaker 1: ninety four and to have seventy one percent of all

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Speaker 1: voters say we're on the wrong track and only twenty

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Speaker 1: two percent of likely voters across the country saying the

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Speaker 1: country's head in the right direction as a phenomenal number,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the media polsters earlier in the

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Speaker 1: year we're discounting us and not paying attention. Now they're

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Speaker 1: all following our numbers. And probably most distressing in the numbers,

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Speaker 1: fifty six percent of all voters already think we're in

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Speaker 1: a recession, and eighty percent think the economy is getting worse,

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Speaker 1: the really stunning numbers was when we asked them regarding inflation,

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Speaker 1: because that's the top economic guess you and most voters

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Speaker 1: to saying the economics or their top concern. Forty two

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Speaker 1: You saw it in focus groups we did for the

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Speaker 1: having to cut back another thirty nine percent have made

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Speaker 1: they're not affected by it. So these are really bad numbers,

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Speaker 1: and public opinions says it's going to get worse. It's

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Speaker 1: worse than nineteen ninety four when we took the house

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Speaker 1: in the center. Well, you know, I was very struck

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Speaker 1: the incumbent president starts to break like that, he is

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Speaker 1: a real problem. And with the real problem is his

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Speaker 1: base is breaking up. So we have a minimum amount

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Speaker 1: of Democrats that you know, there's a floor form thirty

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Speaker 1: he's got to crack the floor to get below that.

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Speaker 1: And it's modeled after the twenty twenty turnout, and we

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Speaker 1: have forty one percent approved the job he's doing, fifty

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Speaker 1: And you know, you got four to ten Democrats saying

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Speaker 1: degree to which this whole issue of energy and inflation

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, you know the state really really well, how

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Speaker 1: much erosion are you seeing there in the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: with all this stuff going on. It's significant because crime

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Speaker 1: we're working for leeze Eldon. He got into the race

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Speaker 1: just keeping that there. Leeze Eldon was out there saying

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Speaker 1: The Senate races are much more competitive because Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: that in published polls. I'm not working for herschel Walker,

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Speaker 1: but herschel Walker was a little ahead. Now he's a

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Speaker 1: little behind. Just shelling them. They're going to spend a

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Speaker 1: billion dollars there. It seems Adam Laxalt is doing well

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Speaker 1: in Nevada I'm working for Jim Layman in Arizona. He's

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Speaker 1: in a Hardford primary with Blake Masses and Mark Bernovich,

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Speaker 1: and that'll be decided soon. But Whomember wins is going

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Speaker 1: to rebroke and Mark Kelly, where the Democrats are already

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Speaker 1: run tens of millions of dollars, Rad's going to have

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Speaker 1: more resources. Maggie Hassan in New Hampshire, she's waiting for

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Speaker 1: the September Republican primary to see who she's going to shell.

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Speaker 1: Plus the Republicans have to defend Ron Johnson. They got

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Speaker 1: to win the seat in Pennsylvania with doctor Oz North.

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Speaker 1: Carolina looks fine, Ohio looks fine. But the Senate's going

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Speaker 1: to be close on the House. On the other side,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the ratings this fifty six Democrats

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Speaker 1: are already listed as vulnerable on the different scales. And

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Speaker 1: when you have a wave election where you have twenty

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Speaker 1: one of them, if those Democrats are already in lean Republican,

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Speaker 1: tilt Republican, the toss up seats, they're gonna lose those

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Speaker 1: twenty one. Then when you have another seventeen and tilt

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Speaker 1: Democrat lean Democrat in a wave election, they're gone, and

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Speaker 1: then you have eighteen likely Democrats where places like New

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Speaker 1: York fourth, that's an open seat where Anthony Desposito is

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Speaker 1: looking to fill Rice, the seat where the Nassa elections

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Speaker 1: I was telling you about happened last year. He could win.

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Speaker 1: Sean Patrick Maloney's in a fight in a primary in

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Speaker 1: the Hudson Valley. He's the head of the Democrat campaign committee.

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Speaker 1: He could lose. They may head him for changing his seat.

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Speaker 1: So you've got opportunities in blue areas that the Republicans

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Speaker 1: are looking to sweep. And remember when you took the House,

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Speaker 1: and we saw this in twenty ten with the Republicans

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Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, there were races we didn't expect to

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Speaker 1: come in. I mean, Rassenkowski lost the flag again in

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Speaker 1: ninety four Flagan didn't spend any money and that was

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Speaker 1: in downtown Chicago, so you would have thought it was impossible.

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Speaker 1: That's wild. To wrap up, I want to go to

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Speaker 1: something where you and your entire team have been extraordinarily valuable,

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Speaker 1: and that's the American Majority Project, which we've been working

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Speaker 1: on now for several years. And it seems to me

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Speaker 1: and our listeners can go to American Majority project dot com.

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Speaker 1: We've learned a lot about a potential emerging majority that

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Speaker 1: is much bigger than the Republican Party and in a

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Speaker 1: way much broad are in attracting people on sort of

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Speaker 1: core values like restoring the America that works. I mean,

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Speaker 1: have you found working on the American Majority projects has

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Speaker 1: been helpful? And then revisiting traditional politics. I think it's

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Speaker 1: very helpful for the candidates because you and your team

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Speaker 1: have laid out a vision. And again we ask these

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Speaker 1: questions as an asset test. So when we asked about

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Speaker 1: you know, you're more or less likely to vote for

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Speaker 1: a Republican candidate who believes the best way to combat inflation,

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Speaker 1: prove the economy, make things affordable is to put more

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Speaker 1: money back in the pockets of workers and families, provide

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Speaker 1: tax relief, create jobs, etc. And helping businesses grow. Seventy

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Speaker 1: percent of all voters said they're more likely to vote

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Speaker 1: for a Republican And you think that a lot of

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Speaker 1: Democrats would say no and automatically reject it. And what

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Speaker 1: happens is you've got issues like that. On whether it's

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Speaker 1: the national debt, sixty nine percent more likely vote Republican.

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Speaker 1: You know, the idea of stop stealing from our kids' future.

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Speaker 1: Sixty seven percent more that a vote Republican. So a

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Speaker 1: lot of candidates can't afford to ask these questions. But

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Speaker 1: this is a national survey and you've got the voters there,

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Speaker 1: and basically you've got sixty two percent of all voters

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Speaker 1: saying that they would vote for the New American Majority

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Speaker 1: on fifteen to the twenty four issues you tested. Plus

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Speaker 1: you've got another group fifteen percent they would consider voting

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Speaker 1: for the Republican So you've got three quarters of the

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Speaker 1: voters up for grams and with those persuadables added to

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Speaker 1: the New American Majority. They're not Republicans, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of them are diverse, they're not the usual voters. Only

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Speaker 1: twenty five percent don't move on most of these issues.

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Speaker 1: And that's what you call the big government socialist you know,

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Speaker 1: which is never going to get them. We haven't quite

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Speaker 1: broken them lose, no matter how bad the pain level.

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Speaker 1: But it's a roadmap for Republicans to really not limit

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Speaker 1: their voting to just gathering Republicans doing the base, but

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Speaker 1: broadening the coalition and creating an American coalition that could

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Speaker 1: really just swamp out the Democrats of that maybe we're

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Speaker 1: more than fifty six seats in the House, maybe we

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Speaker 1: were in sixty seventy. Well, I have to say that

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Speaker 1: it was working with you and your team thinking all

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Speaker 1: this who when I give a lot of credit to

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Speaker 1: Joe de Sanderson that the Industry sixty who's been playing

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Speaker 1: a lead role in this, and Joe gay Lord, who's

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Speaker 1: been my partner in doing these things since the early

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. But together that really helped me shape and

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Speaker 1: develop the new book on Defeating Big Government Socialism because

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Speaker 1: suddenly you could see from all of this background data

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Speaker 1: listening to the American people. And it struck me the

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Speaker 1: other week that this is the heart of the Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Republican Party. That when Lincoln talked about government of the people,

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Speaker 1: by the people, and for the people, he was only

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Speaker 1: trying to send all of us a signal that, you know,

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Speaker 1: you ought to listen to the people, that it's their country,

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Speaker 1: not yours. And I think the work you're doing, John

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Speaker 1: is just astonishing, and I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me the times we've worked together. It's just remarkable,

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Speaker 1: and you have such a deep understanding of the American people.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's going to be a very exciting year,

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Speaker 1: and frankly I'm honored to call you both colleague and friend. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you, and I tell you your book it's mandatory

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Speaker 1: reading for the posters in our office. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: I know my brother Jim and Stu Polk and Brian

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Speaker 1: Larkin and Britty Davin and Keith's Egg, the people that

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Speaker 1: worked with your team to provide the research you needed.

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Speaker 1: They were flattered when you not only put the ideas

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Speaker 1: out that inspire them, but you also mentioned them. So

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Speaker 1: it was a real honor for us. And now we

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Speaker 1: just got to win the election and of their Braith.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to my guests, John McLaughlin. You can learn

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Speaker 1: more about the polling we discussed today on our show

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